Hermes just released their biggest update ever (Hermes Bot)
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Hermes just released a massive new
update and it's the biggest facelift to
Hermes agent ever. It adds Hermes bot
mode which completely changes the way
you use Hermes. It's a direct copy of
Grockbot but with some Hermes
specialties and surprises mixed in. In
this video, I'll cover everything Hermes
new bot mode, show you how to use it,
and let you know if you should be
ripping out Grobbot for Hermes bot. Now,
let's lock in and get into it. So, this
is Hermes Bot. This is their brand new
mode they just released. This is a
direct ripoff, and I don't think they're
really hiding it, of Grockbot, the brand
new AI agent that's taken the entire AI
world by storm over the last week. So,
for those who don't know, Grockbot comes
out a week ago. Everyone's talking about
it. It's this brand new user experience
built around having multiple agents work
for you. Each agent has its own name,
its own title, its own description, and
you basically treat this experience like
an iMessage where you send messages to
all your different bots with their
different responsibilities to get them
work. Each agent has their own tools.
Each agent has their own skill sets.
Each agent even has their own computer
they use. And it's just a completely
different way of interact with AI
agents. Typically, every other AI agent
looked very much like Hermes, right?
where you have one agent you talk to but
many different sessions. This is how
OpenClaw worked. This is how Chai GPT.
This is how Claude works. But Grock
threw everything on its head. Said, "No,
we want you to actually have as many
agents as you want. All with different
roles and responsibilities." This felt
to me and many others a much more
polished, organized, kind of natural,
simple, and most importantly kind of fun
way to interact with AI agents. I love
opening up my phone and deciding, okay,
should I talk to Dusty, Barry, Cindy?
And I felt like I just had these like
team of agents inside my pocket, which
was just a ton of fun. Well, Hermes
agent was quick to notice all the people
loving Grockbot. And so today, they
released Hermes bot mode, which if you
look in the desktop app, this is for the
desktop app only, and you go to bots
there, you now have your bot mode. You
need to be in the latest version of
Hermes to get this bot mode. Now, that's
not the only thing Hermesbot directly
copied from Grockbot. One of the things
Grockbot implemented front and center
and really revolutionized in a way was
agent-to-ag communication. When you talk
to any of your agents in Grockbot,
you'll see this a lot. Messaged and then
the other agent. Grock put extra
emphasis in their bot here for the
agents to actually talk to each other
and reach out to each other without you
even having to ask. This allows
different agents to share context and
information to each other. And this is a
great update. This is makes the
experience using AI really, really
amazing. It allows your agents to
delegate, allows your agents to ask each
other questions. It makes it so you
don't have to share context in between
all the agents. They kind of just do it
automatically and it just feels very
lively. Well, Hermes copied that as
well. That's in here as well. And for
the record, when I say copy, I don't
mean that in like a derogatory way. This
is the age of AI. Software is no longer
a moat. If your competitor is doing
something better than you, you should
copy it. I'm not doing this to like crap
on Hermes. Hermes has been my favorite
AI tool for months and months and months
now. I do not blame them for just
straight up copy pasting all these
features. You should be doing that.
Software is no longer a mode. There's
nothing wrong with copying. So, let's
dive into Hermes bot mode first. I'll
take you through it. I'll give you a
tour. I'll show you how it works. Then
I'll compare it directly with Grockbot,
show you all the kind of little nuances
and differences. I'll then go through my
workflow. Did I rip out Hermes? Did I
rip out Grockbot? Which one I'm using
the most? And then I'll give my
recommendation to you on what I think
you should be doing and which tool you
should be using. So starting off with
this new bot mode inside of Hermes, what
you can see here is over on the left
hand side are your bots. What are Hermes
bots? Well, this isn't a new concept
inside Hermes. These are actually your
profiles inside Hermes. If you look at
your kind of classic session mode in
Hermes, this was your default experience
before. If you look in the bottom left,
you can see all your profiles already
there. Hermes profiles are basically
just separate Hermes agents. They have
their own descriptions, names, tools,
skill sets, cron jobs, much like the
bots in Grock. All Hermes did was now
reorganize that user experience so that
those profiles live on the lefthand side
and it's just one single chat with each.
So you have your agents over on the
lefth hand side. You have your chat in
the middle. You have your one chat. You
can open up new chats with each agent up
here in the different tabs. And over on
the right hand side you have your crown
jobs which in Rockbots the routines.
These are just your scheduled tasks. It
looks pretty much the same because it is
pretty much the same. The main
difference though being you get all your
Hermes features that made it great in
this new bot mode. So if you go in and
you actually set up a new agent or new
profile, you can go in, you can name it,
give a tile description just like Grock,
I mean this is as big of a ripoff in
copy as it possibly gets. It's literally
the same exact logos, but that's fine.
Whatever. But because it's Hermes, you
can choose your provider. You can choose
whatever model you want. You can change
the personality. That's not really
something you can do in Grockbot. Way
more customization in here. Now, if that
is a positive thing or a negative thing,
that's totally up to you. I think for
power users like myself, like probably
most of the people that watch this
channel, that's probably a positive
thing. It's a positive thing. You can go
in and choose whatever model you want.
If you're anything like me, you have
subscriptions with Chad GBT, with
Claude, with other providers. Now, you
can make agents for each one of those
different providers. For the average
person, probably for like 80% of people
out there, this is probably a negative.
They probably want the Grockbot
experience, which is you don't choose
models, you don't choose providers, you
don't sign in with OOTH for a 100
different companies. You just install it
and it works. We kind of forget here in
this kind of AI bubble that the way we
work is not really how the normies out
there work. Most people don't want to
think about the differences between Chad
GBT 56 soul and Claude Opus and Claude
Fable and Quentyn and this and that.
They just want to turn on a product and
have it work. So I think for 80% of
people this is probably a better
experience. But if you're a power user,
you have a bunch of subscriptions, you
can now do that. Hermes, this is not
something you can do in Grockbot. You
can't use chat GBT or other providers.
Grockbot, it's only the Grock model. So
you set that up, you choose your model
and your agent will show up on the lefth
hand side. And because Hermes is so
customizable, you can do things like I
did like have this Herald agent here.
What is Herold? Herold is Quen 3827B
running on my 5090, my RTX 5090 gaming
computer. So this is an agent running on
a local model, right? Unlimited usage,
very fast, very smart. Can't do that in
Gro Gro. Again, only Grock models. From
there, you get all the different Hermes
bells and whistles. They have the voice
mode, which is kind of the copy of the
Chad GBT voice. Not quite as good as
Chad GBT voice, but usable. Then you
have built-in Git, which is really nice.
Although, I'm sure Grockbot will build
in Cursor Origin, which is the new
cursor Git product very soon, but no Git
integrations at the moment there. And
then all your other bells and whistles.
I you get a hundred different ways to
customize this in Hermes. I think
probably like 95% of people watching
this video, 95% of people who just use
Hermes overall didn't have multiple
profiles before. They probably just
treated it like one single agent. And
that's totally fine. You probably want
to go through the same setup with Hermes
new bot mode that I did with Grockbot
mode, which is the brain dump to reverse
prompt. For those who don't know what
that is, I described in my last Grockbot
video. That's going in explaining
everything about yourself to this new
bot mode inside Hermes. And then you do
a reverse prompt based on what you know
about me. Which Hermes bot would you set
up? And then you hit enter. And now your
Hermes bot will give you recommendations
for which bots you set up. Should you
set up a developer bot, a marketing bot,
a copyright bot? and it'll just set it
up for you, which is what I think is the
best way to work with this new bot mode.
From there, you can work with the bots
however you want. If you want to work
with your developer bot, you go to your
developer bot. If you want to work with
your main bot, you can work with your
main bot. Now, there are some downsides
here. The agentto agent communication
inside Hermes is not nearly as good as
Grockbot. For instance, when I went in
here and I told my main orchestrator,
Hermes agent, to assign some work to
Harold, I said, "Hey, can you assign to
Harold this research task of researching
MU and tell me what kind of modes the
company has?" It asked Harold to do the
work, but then it delivered the results
to me, right? It I went into Harold.
Harold wasn't even really aware it got
that work assigned to it. So it doesn't
even really make it that obvious that
it's actually assigning the work to
different people. When you're in
Grockbot and you assign work, it
actually like gives the work to the
other bots and you can watch the other
bots receive the work and actually do
the work. So the agentto agent
communication, the orchestration is
clearly was just kind of tacked on and
vibe coded over the last week. I'm sure
it will improve. I'd say the Grockbot
approach is almost like the Apple
approach to things though where yes, it
came in a little bit later, but it was
done extremely well, extremely thought
out and just works. It just works
really, really well. Nothing seems
tacked on. Nothing seems like an
experiment. Everything seems very
intentional. With Hermes in their new
bot mode, it seems very much like they
saw, oh, Rockbot's doing this. Let's add
it in. And it seems a little bit tacked
on. Although again, I'm sure things will
improve. Another big difference, and
this might be a positive for you, this
might be a negative for you, but there
is no built-in cloud computers to any of
these agents, right? A really nice and
great part of Grockbot, which I I'm
going to be honest, I'm surprised by. I
didn't think I'd like this is that every
agent has their own virtual computer,
right? Hermes, by default, the default
way they work is they do the work on
your computer. So you say do this, do
that. It'll open up the browser on your
computer. It'll click here. It'll do
everything locally on your computer.
With Grockbot, it's the opposite. Each
agent has their own built-in virtual
computer they do work on with their own
browser, their own terminal, their own
everything. So when you say do task A,
task B, task C, whatever, it does it in
its virtual computer by default. I
honestly didn't expect to like this
experience. I kind of went in thinking,
"Oh, I just want it all done locally
like I've been doing with Hermes for
months now." I actually like this
experience more and there's a good
reason behind that. It naturally puts
very good separation between your agents
and your personal private accounts. So
for instance, when I tell my Hermes bots
to do things, it'll open it up and if my
accounts are logged in, it'll do things
in my personal private accounts, which
is sometimes pretty risky. But with
Grobbot, when you tell it to do things,
it doesn't do anything unless you give
it its own account in its virtual
computer. And so you can either log into
your own personal accounts if that's
something you want, or you can use agent
mail, which is what I've been doing,
which is just a free email service for
these bots, and it creates its own
accounts for everything, which gives
really good separation. You never have
to worry about your bots going in and
doing anything in your personal
accounts, which has been great. So for
me personally, I'd actually think that's
a negative. Uh, you know, they they do
have plugins. You can use third-party
tools to give bots virtual computers.
But again, that's kind of the strength
of Grockbot, which is kind of the Apple
way of doing things, which is it just
works out of the box. It's all made
around this very opinionated single
workflow. Yes, you can put in virtual
machines to your Hermes agents, but
they're just kind of tacked on, not as
natural, and require a ton of setup. I
will say this though, I do like this
Hermy bot mode a lot more. This is now
my default way to use Hermes agent. I
think this setup of having your
different bots, your different profiles,
your different names, your different
titles, responsibilities all in a list
and just messaging them separately is a
superior way to use AI agents. And
there's one big reason for that. When
you talk to an AI agent, Hermes,
OpenClaw, Chat, GBT, Claude Code,
whatever, every prompt you send includes
many different things in the background.
System prompts, skills, tools, MCPS,
plugins, chat history, the name of the
bot, and a whole lot of other things.
The more of this context that's included
with every prompt, the stupider the bot
gets, the slower the bot gets, the more
expensive the bot gets. Because the LLM
has to process each and every one of
these things. When you lighten up the
context and you talk to a bot that
doesn't have many tools, MCPs, all that,
it acts much faster and much smarter.
The more bloated your context is, the
stupider and slower your bot will be.
So, when you have one single massive
agent you talk to, like most people do
with Hermes or Open Claw, you're
including your entire agent's history,
all the skills you use, all the tools
you use, all the MCPs you use with every
single prompt. Which is why a lot of
these agents feel much stupider after
like a month of use. But when you use
bot mode, whether it's Grockbot or
Hermes bot, you are splitting up
responsibilities from one bot to many,
many bots. Each bot with their own
system prompt, their own tools, their
own context, their own chat history. So
if you have one bot that does a hundred
things rather than a 100 bots that do
one thing, those hundred bots that do
one thing will do that one thing way
better because it's going to have way
less context with every single prompt
you send. So, this is just inherently a
better way to do work with AI agents
because the prompts you're sending have
way less bloat and way less context with
each one. So, this is just a better way
to work overall. So, that's why the
Hermes bot will be my new default way of
using Hermes. And I still think there's
a lot of use to Hermes. I still use
Hermes for a lot of different things,
right? I have my own AI lab. If you
watch my past videos, you know I have
like 20 different computers in my room
right now, right? I run a whole bunch of
local models. I have two Hermes agents
right now powered by local models.
Harold, which is Quen 38 on my 5090.
Quen, which is another Quen running on
my DGX Spark. I can't do that in
Grockbot, right? I can't do that.
Grockbot only uses Grock models, which
has prices and limitations on it. I have
no price. I have no limitations on these
two Hermes agents. That's great. That's
amazing. I use the local models for a
lot of things. Hermes Agent is also just
way better overall for doing local work
on your computer. If I have to tinker
with things on my computer, I have to
move files around, if I edit things on
my computer, Hermes Agent is just better
at that. So that's why I'm still using
Hermes Agent in this new bot mode. But
is it replacing Grockbot for me? Well,
the answer is no. Grockbot is what I
think the smoothest, simplest, most
straightforward, best way to do
knowledge work with an AI agent right
now. It does several things just better
and easier than Hermes agent. Even in
the new bot mode, the agentto agent
communication's excellent. You can click
it, you can see their chats with each
other. It just works. It delegates tasks
very, very well. The builtin virtual
machine just makes the work the agents
do so much simpler and easier. They do
it in their own computer. I don't have
to worry about them clicking around my
computer, opening up my accounts, doing
anything strange. They do everything in
their own computer which is really
really nice. And it's just a simpler,
easier experience. There's no bloat.
There's no hundred things to configure.
There's no drop downs. You just open up
an agent. You give it tasks and it does
it. It's as simple and easy as an
experience as humanly possible. On top
of that, and this might be the biggest
reason of them all, it has a spectacular
mobile app. The Grockbot mobile app is
absolutely spectacular. It's simple. It
feels like iMessage. It works really,
really well. It's really well ironed
out. The cursor team did an amazing job
on building the mobile app. There is no
Hermes mobile app. There's none. So,
this bot mode, it just doesn't work on
mobile. It there's no Hermes mobile app
at all. So, this bot mode is only for
desktop, which is a massive massive
negative. I do tons of work on the go uh
in Grobbot. You know, being able to
message my bots on the go, individual
bots when I need work done. I found out
Quen 38 released while I was on the go,
while I was at the gym. I opened up
Grockpot on my phone. I I messaged
build, which is my kind of network
administrator. I said, "Build, go on my
5090, install Quen." I get back to my
apartment. Quen's all loaded to go on my
computer. Amazing. Wouldn't wouldn't
have been able to do that with Hermes.
So, Grockbot is still my daily driver.
So, what does that mean for you? What's
my recommendation for you? Well, there
is a big negative uh of Grockbot we
haven't talked about too much here,
which is pricing. Grockbot is only
available on the $300 a month Grock
plan, which is the most expensive AI
subscription right now of any company,
or the $200 cursor plan. That is really
expensive, right? For a lot of people,
that's actually out of budget. Now, I
will say this, I personally believe I've
gotten way more than $300 of value out
of Grockbot. It has saved me a
tremendous amount of time. I've
definitely gotten ROI from that money.
But for a lot of people who are newer to
AI, maybe they won't get that ROI right
away. With Hermes, you can use like free
models. The New Research, the company
behind Hermes, has like their own like
model router and they have like free
models they give away. So you can
technically use Hermes for free. So for
most people are on tight budgets, Hermes
is going to be a better option. But I
will say this, I highly recommend people
spend more money in AI because I think
there's a very distinct ROI case to be
made with AI, especially super powerful
AI agents like this. And I'd recommend
you do check out Grockbot, even if it's
for a month, because I do think you will
get your money's worth from it. I also
think if you're not a super power user,
Grockbot's probably the way to go as
well. Much simpler interface. You don't
have to switch between models for every
single thing. You have to switch between
reasoning levels. It just works out of
the box, which might be the first AI
tool in history to just work out of the
box. I do think it's like the best user
experience of any AI tool ever. If you
are a power user, you definitely still
want a Hermes agent to complement your
Grockbot, right? I still even if you are
a power user, I still think Grockbot is
the best way to just get knowledge work
done because of the mobile app, because
of the virtual computers. If you need
tasks to get done quickly, I think
Grockbot's the best way to do it. But
Hermes agent for those kind of edge
power use cases, I think you still need
a backup Hermes agent, especially if you
have local AI. If that's something
important to you, you do still need a
Hermes agent. Hardcore vibe coding, I'm
not going with either of these to be
honest with you. If you're a hardcore
vibe coder, uh the Chad GBT desktop app
is great for hardcore vibe coding. When
I get deep into a vibe coding session
and I'm building out the app I raise
money for, Henry intelligent machine,
I'm in the Chad GBT desktop app, right?
There's still no great Git integration
with Grockbot. You know, there is a Git
integration with Hermes, but from a UI
perspective, I think it's built more for
general knowledge work rather than
hardcore vibe coding. So, I'm still
using like the codeex app to do hardcore
vibe coding. But for general knowledge
work, day-to-day things, uh, I'm liking
Grockbot the most right now. But, I do
think they serve different purposes.
Hermes Agent and Grockbot. I don't think
it's binary one or the other. It's only
one or the other. If you don't want to
spend $200 a month on Grockbot, then it
is one or the other. But if you have the
money to spend, which I think people
should be investing in AI because I
think the ROI is there, then I do like
Rockbot the most for general work. But I
will be using Hermes bot mode as my kind
of default Hermes experience moving
forward. I have my kind of general
Hermes agent, my local Hermes agent. I
have my developer Hermes agent and a
couple other research agents I built.
That's the main work I'm doing right now
inside Hermes Agent. But I highly
recommend you go in, you get the new
update, you get the bot mode, you do the
brain dump to the reverse prompt I
talked about to get the setup nice and
dialed in and you use it out and see how
this fits in your own workflows and use
cases. Just from a concern perspective
when it comes to Hermes agent, I mean
clearly this was just something they
added on because they saw Grobbot
succeeding. They are a smaller team. I
am concerned if they're just going to
add on every single feature and user
experience that every other AI agent
makes, they will kind of dilute their
experience a little bit. I'd kind of
prefer them kind of have a singular
vision and stick to that vision rather
than just adding on every single thing
other companies do. But we'll see how it
plays out. The team is great. I've
talked to them before. They're a
spectacular team. I'm sure they know
what they're doing. It is just kind of
funny just a few days after comes out,
they just tack this on. But it is what
it is. It's a better experience. It's
such an exciting time to be in AI. I'm
sure one month from now, neither of
these apps will look anything like they
look now. The space moves so freaking
fast. It's amazing to watch. I'm going
to do live boot camp this week on both
Grockbot and Hermesbot in the Vibe
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This video covers the release of 'Hermes Bot Mode,' a major update to the Hermes desktop application. The creator compares this new feature to 'Grockbot,' highlighting how Hermes has adopted a multi-agent structure to improve interaction efficiency. The analysis delves into the differences in orchestration, local versus cloud-based virtual environments, mobile app availability, and pricing models, ultimately suggesting that while Hermes is excellent for power users and local model enthusiasts, Grockbot currently offers a more streamlined, cohesive experience for general knowledge work.
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