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>> Trade tensions between the US and Canada

are reaching new highs. Canadian Prime

Minister Mark Carney announcing the

country will double its counter tariffs

on American steel and aluminum products

along with a slew of other levies to

additional goods matching the US tariffs

announced last week and nearly dollar

for dollar. Canada's finance minister

addressing what went into their

government's decision earlier today.

>> Well, you know, I think things got a

little heated, Joe, yesterday between

both of us. He was throwing insults.

He's not shy to throw insults to anyone.

and uh I I hit back. But I I think it'd

be more productive if we actually sit

down and the prime minister and and the

president sit down and have a fair deal

for everyone because right now there's

uh there's there's not certainty in

either country. There's not stability. I

talked to a lot of governors and

senators and congress people. Uh they

need certainty. Their constituents need

certainty. And the way you do it is by

signing a fair uh trade deal. And I told

the prime minister uh no deal is better

than a bad deal and we have to go tariff

for tariff and and uh dollar for dollar

and it's it's unfortunate uh we we had

an attack from President Trump on our

sovereignty on our country on the

economy that were so integrated uh both

both countries were both each other's

number one customer and it just doesn't

make sense to uh attack attack each

other. Well, we understand Ontario is

disproportionately impacted uh by these

tariffs when you look across the country

of Canada. Will you move if if this is

the direction we're going in to cut off

electricity to the United States as you

threaten?

>> Well, I wouldn't say cut it off, but uh

search charges for sure. It doesn't make

sense to the Ontario people that uh when

we're under attack economically that

we'd be sending electricity down to

companies and and residents to keep

their power going. I have an idea, Joe.

I'd like to send more electricity down

there. I'd like to create Fortress North

America and keep an eye on people that

may not see eye to eye with both

countries like China and Russia. But

right now, it seems like the president's

treating communist China better than his

closest friend and ally for over 200

years. It's not productive. And a tariff

on on Canada is nothing more than a tax

on the American people. And we've seen

that they're going to be paying

thousands of dollars more in cost. The

president ran on reducing uh

unemployment. And it's actually you lost

jobs last month. We gained 52,000 in

Ontario alone, 120,000 in 4 months.

We're diversifying our trade and once

that train leaves the the station and

we're we're dealing with other countries

around the world which we've seen

increases of 100 150% of new trade, it's

it's hard to turn that train around. So,

we're we're going to continue uh working

with the administration and I'm

confident the prime minister and the

president hopefully will president will

come to their senses and actually uh

make a fair deal.

Well, I'll tell you, I've been watching

the president's truth social feed, as I

I'm sure you have. He's been saying a

lot, posting a lot about Canada,

including this one. The US is giving

serious consideration, he says, to

changing the name of Lake Ontario to

Lake America in that we don't expect to

be doing much business with Ontario much

longer. How much of this is serious,

Premiere? How much of this is chest

thumping around the negotiating table

that will actually end up in a deal?

Well, you know something, that's up to

the president if he wants to change Lake

Ontario uh to Lake America. I know

Canadians, we're always going to call it

Lake Ontario, but that's that's a lot of

rhetoric again. And uh he's saying he

won't do a lot of business with Ontario.

Well, let me remind the president, 9

million Americans wake up every single

morning to produce a product, a widget,

or a service for Ontario. Uh if we were

a standalone country, which I never

recommend, we'd be your third largest

trading partner in the world. Ontario

alone, Canada is your number one

customer. Ontario is a number one

customer to 15 states and number two to

12 others. So it would really really

affect uh a lot of states. I'll give you

an example, Joe. You know, already the

auto sector has been hit by $ 110

billion. That's $ 110 billion. And I,

you know, I feel for the the auto

workers in Ontario, but I also because I

love the Americans. I love the US. I

think about the workers in Texas and

Kentucky and Michigan and Illinois and

Ohio that are going to lose their job

because we buy 400% more vehicles than

anywhere else in the entire world. And

so that's it's going to be unfortunate

if we go down this uh go down this road.

>> Bring us inside to the extent that you

can what happened on Saturday night.

There was a lot of ink spilled in the

days before this uh to suggest that a

deal was at hand. Uh we know things fell

apart at the 11th hour. has been

reporting that Howard Lutnik might have

been the one who pulled the plug on

things. Who were you looking at on the

other side of the table

who is walking away from the table?

>> Well, what what what happened? I I

mentioned we're the engine of Canada. Uh

Ontario is and I told the prime minister

this is an absolute terrible deal. It's

a terrible deal for auto sectors, for

steel workers, for manufacturing.

>> But did the terms of that deal change at

the last minute? We understand that

there was some real miscommunication in

the way these messages were sent.

>> It it was what I understand uh you know

they kept changing the goalpost

constantly right up to the last minute

and you can't negotiate when you change

the goalpost in the last minute. You

have to have trust and faith in your uh

partner.

>> Do you have trust and faith in Howard

Lutnik?

>> Well, you know, Howard is a shrewd

operator and I've talked to him uh a few

times. uh he's trying to protect the

United States and the best way to

protect the United States is make a

deal. make make you know in the auto

sector I always say you can't unscramble

an egg that's been around since the

1960s the auto pack you have to make the

omelette larger and when we see Chinese

vehicles coming in uh that that's that's

real really challenging for auto workers

in the US and in Canada there's one way

to fix this just like Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan never believed in in uh

tariffs he he believed in making sure

that he created an environment and

conditions for for Americans to have

more jobs, more exports, more trade

around the world. And unfortunately,

President Trump has taken a different

avenue that just does not work. It's

going to cost Americans thousands and

thousands of dollars. Uh and it's it's

unfortunate. So, we're the number one

customer when it comes to steel and

aluminum and uh oil, 4.1 million barrels

of oil and potachsh that takes care of

your agricultural sector, high-grade

nickel. I I could just keep listing it

off and uh it's going to it's going to

hurt the American people. I love the

American people. I love the US. Uh

unfortunately, we've been put in this uh

position when you uh attack our our

sovereignty and call us a 51st state and

call the prime minister a governor. Uh

it's unfortunate, but that's who we're

dealing with and uh we'll get through it

and hopefully the American people will

see this, voice their opinion, and we'll

see what happens in the midterms.

Well, speaking of what Canada buys, buy

a lot of booze as well and and and

American booze has not been on the

shelves in Ontario uh since March of

2025, which I know was uh was your

decision at the time. And there have

been questions about what it might take

to get it back. Would that need to be a

full deal with Canada?

>> A full Yeah. I've said over and over

again, Joe, you get a full deal, that

booze is coming back on the shelves.

It's really symbolic. It's about a

billion dollars compared to the auto uh

sector and the steel is worth over

hundred billion dollars.

>> So, uh yeah, I'd I'd put the booze back

down uh back on the shelves and in a

heartbeat if we had a fair deal. And

I've been saying that over and over

again. Uh this this does not work. We we

buy more agriculture uh products than

any Well, actually, we're tied in with

Mexico about $30 billion each. So there

there's a lot of things at play right

now that just hurts two closest friends

and two closest allies. I've been

getting a lot of calls from the

governors and senators and congress

people saying this this is a this is

terrible what's happening between our

friendship and our uh you know two great

countries.

I'm struck by the tone of of this whole

conversation, Premier, and I I look, I

know sometimes things get out of hand

and and you were feeling hot yesterday,

and so was the president. But I'm I'm

hearing a a real consiliatory tone after

all the fire yesterday. Did Did

something happen overnight? Did you get

a phone call or you just wake up feeling

that way?

>> No.

>> No. You know something? I I love America

and I love the US and I'm thinking this

is crazy. I spent 20 years of my life in

the US and I'm thinking, you know, the

President Trump has put two great

countries uh in a position that we're

we're fighting right now and it's just

not worth it. Yeah, it got heated

yesterday, but let's move on. That's all

part of going back and forth, but it got

carried away. And I'm not innocent by

any means, but I'm going to take a

different approach. I'm going to move

forward. I never got any calls from from

anyone. I just want to uh get a deal

made. when I'm hearing from uh the

American public. I get my phone number

out uh publicly. It's on the internet.

I'm I get a lot of calls from the US,

but I got a lot of calls from elected

officials down in the US. So, what let's

let's just make a deal. Let's make this

happen. Let's get both countries to

prosper and grow and create jobs and

stability and certainty. That's what we

need. No one wins in in a trade war.

What are the odds we see you at the

White House for a beer summit with

President Trump when this is all well

may he I guess not a beer so maybe a

poutine summit premier

>> yeah well you know neither of us drink

so uh I don't know this this falls under

the prime minister they'll make that

deal and uh let let's hope one day that

the prime minister can sit down and

maybe have a poutine a beer whatever it

is and uh sort this sort this all out

because it's really disappointing right

now uh being attacked by President Trump

because it just hurts the American

people.

>> That that's all this is doing. Uh we'll

we'll get through it. I both countries

will get through it, but uh it's it's

not going to be good. It's going to it's

going to hurt uh the American people.

>> Well, I'll tell you what, we'd love to

talk with you after September 8th,

whether tariffs are going into effect or

not and see how you're feeling then.

Premier Doug Ford, thank you so much for

being with us again on Blue.

>> Joe. Joe, thank you. God bless America.

God bless Canada. Let's make a deal.

Simple as that. But thank you for having

me on.

>> Let's make a deal. That was uh Ontario

Premier Doug Ford.

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