No [ __ ] given in the most kind way

possible.

>> Yes, I love that. But lots of [ __ ]

given, too.

>> Hi everyone, [music] this is Pivot from

New York Magazine and the Vox Media

Podcast Network. I'm Cara Swisser and

we're back for yet another fine episode

of

Got Re August.

Oh, I love that so much. Today I'm

joined by chief White House

correspondent and anchor of The Source

with Caitlyn Collins, the very same

Caitlyn Collins. Good to see you. How

does Scott feel about that um intro?

>> What do you think? You you saw him more

recently than I did. I saw a photograph

of the two of you.

>> I did run into him. Um it's so funny to

see Scott like out in the wild. Like it,

you know, it's like seeing like a

teacher when you're like in the sixth

grade outside of [laughter] school and

you're like, "What are you doing here on

vacation?"

>> Yeah. Did you see that? What was he

doing there?

>> He was just hanging out. He was having

dinner with someone um like a political,

you know, foreign policy thinker. Um he

was good. He seemed rested and ready to

get back to podcasting. Yeah. He's

suddenly he's suddenly texting me a lot.

So I know that it's the end of August

because he's like, "Hey girl." And I'm

like, "Oh, hi. Good to talk to you."

Like and he's also threading a lot. You

know, he does threads and so he has an

opinion about things. I'll I'll tell

you. We'll we'll discuss this later, but

he's very upset that he's not here for

the Natalie Harp situation. He like

missed that. And now uh uh Dolly Parton,

which Scott and I are huge fans. So you

dedicated your entire show to Dolly

Parton on Tuesday night. Um

>> talk a little bit about it. What's your

favorite Dolly song to start with? I

mean, I was actually thinking about this

last night cuz I was listening to I had

a very long car ride last night. I was

listening to Dolly Parton the whole

time. You know, I really think I mean,

there's so many good ones. Um, and

Islands in the Stream is incredible, but

I really think it's hard candy Christmas

because it is like

>> I know it's kind of like a random one.

Um,

>> no, it's not that you're real if you

know that one. Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's not always the first one I

think people think of, right?

>> But it's what I think of when I think of

Dolly Parton. And for us to dedicate a

whole show to something that is not

political

politically related is pretty rare for

us, but it really speaks to I think how

everyone felt about about Dolly Parton.

Certainly how I think about her. Oh, but

I think she was politically related in a

way that was very different. I think she

did a lot of political things without

saying them out loud. She was some call

it quiet politics like in terms of her

actions, whether it was supporting the

Madna vaccine or whether it was uh you

know doing all manner of feminist things

without having to say so or supporting

trans people or supporting Black Lives

Matter. She was quite explicit about

that. So, she was political in a very

different way than what we're used to, I

would assume. I still haven't figured

out how she did that. I mean, how she

built this massive career, stayed true

to her roots was always herself. I mean,

that's what I think is the most

infectious part about her is you watch

her get all these questions, you know,

20, 30 years ago from a lot of men about

her appearances and her look and how

that affects her. I mean, Dan Rathers's

face when they're in this sit down and

she's saying that she never slept with

anyone to get anywhere. She only slept

with people that she wanted to sleep

with if she happened to have slept with

them,

>> right? is this iconic moment and he I

mean you could tell he doesn't even know

what to really say back to her. People

ask me who do you want to interview of

all people and I said Dolly Parton but

only about her entrepreneurship. I was

like I don't want to talk about the

songs. I don't want to talk about

anything but her entrepreneurship and

that's what really got through her

ability to shift and change and move

along whether she went from you know

country to leaving that show the Porter

Wagner show to moving on to uh pop. She

is the quintessential American

entrepreneur and and it's I'd heard the

reason I wanted to interview her was she

was doing a lot of stuff with AI and

song stems cuz she owns thousands of

songs that haven't been released too and

so she wanted them released after she

died

>> and this is what I know exactly and I I

like wanted to talk to her about it and

just she is the absolutely

quintessential American entrepreneur in

a way that is so beautiful and also just

a kind and just a kind soul in a way

that's very profound.

>> Everyone's talked about her imagination

library and I'm I'm a huge reader still

reading reading is it's amazing and

reading as a kid was so like

instrumental for me. But what I loved

when she talked about why she started it

is because her dad couldn't read or

write. But she didn't say oh he couldn't

read couldn't write. She said he never

had the chance to learn and he didn't

have that opportunity afforded to him. I

loved how she phrased that because I do

think I mean all over but especially in

the south so many of us have

grandparents or great-grandparents that

are like that and it wasn't that they

couldn't or that they wouldn't have been

able to. It was that they didn't have

the opportunity and that is what she

wanted to give to people.

>> Right. Absolutely. All the time. And one

of the moments and you probably covered

this when she did the she used the

Jolene song which is one amazing song.

Um in lots of ways in including

technically how she put it together but

um Joe uh she vaccine vaccine vaccine

vaccine that was also a moment when

there's all this anti it was incredible

for her to that is a big political

statement to me like and a risky one for

someone like her.

>> Yeah. Think of the lives she saved.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what Melissa

Eridge was saying last night about her

being outspoken about be who you are and

don't worry about who someone else is.

Um, and the permission structure that

she basically gave to people who were

sitting in their room thinking, well,

Dolly Parton's not judging me. I think

in the South, especially during the

pandemic and people a lot of vaccine

hesitancy, I saw it among people I love.

And to come out and say that, you know,

she could have said nothing and she

chose not to. Not only did she put her

money where her mouth is, she also spoke

up like she always has. she always has,

which is amazing. Um, just for people to

know, this imagination uh library is

amazing. My kids use it. They're

wonderful books and um and it's a

Republican lawmakers in Missouri and

Indiana cut or reduce funding for her

child reading program. I hope they will

reinstate it. Uh I hope some billionaire

would will get get with it and back that

back that uh as they go forward. I'm

sure she has is giving away most of her

money to things like that um in her will

although she one of the other things

that I loved was her her uh dedication

to her own family like they were all

working for her and that that video from

her nephew was who was her security

person and her dad was before it just

>> you just are like what you know it's a

real shift now let me just say Donald

Trump ordered flags to fly at half staff

and said in a post there's never been

anyone like her and never will rest in

peace Dolly the world loves you

surprisingly did not try to suck up the

energy. Would you be surprised?

>> For Donald Trump and the Democratic

Socialist of America to both put out a

pretty similar statement about the

passing of someone is a moment that

probably will never happen again.

>> I mean, for them to both agree on

something, I think also speaks to the

moment we're in. But it it was a moment

where uh I mean this morning he was

saying in an interview that you know

Dolly Parton always liked him and was

you know so nice to him um and a fan of

his

>> and then but but in terms of this

overall you know and I'm curious about

your thoughts on this because we've

talked about billionaires so much

between the two of us and these tech

giants and what people do with their

money. One thing I keep seeing on in the

aftermath of her death is how she spent

her money and that she was obviously

extremely successful, but how she used

that success to reinvest not in like a

[ __ ] kind of way in terms of, you

know, let me make myself look good. She

genuinely wanted to invest in children

and in her community and where she came

from. She gave money to the people in

the to finish high school. She gave

money to do that when people were

devastated by I think the floods. She

gave money people for that to recover or

whatever had been happening there. She

also uh when she made all that money on

I will always love you when Whitney

Houston um uh redid uh redid it and she

made a fortune on that song and didn't

sell it to Elvis. Again, great

entrepreneur. She could have sold it to

Elvis and she didn't at that point

>> which imagine how tough that decision

is.

>> Oh, I I totally feel for her. I know.

>> You tell Elvis no

>> no you can't have it because she knew

she knew what a great that's a perfect

song. Um, but what was really

interesting is she continued to do that.

And

>> I agree with you. She didn't do like I

guess the equivalent would be Mackenzie

Scott, who is Jeff Bezos's ex-wife, who

just gives money and goes away. Like

just hands it out, moves along, and you

never hear from her. She does she just

hands it over to people. Um, which I

think is unusual. And you're right, most

people do it in this incredibly selfish

uh uh performative way. Now,

interestingly, Jeff Bezos did give Dolly

Parton $100 million uh for that that

money that he gave out to a number of

people, including I think Van Jones and

others. I think Joseé Andre's got some.

Uh and I think she's given it all away.

She's given it, you know, given which is

great. But honestly, Jeff Fraser should

[ __ ] just give it away. Like to me, I

was like, let's let's not not do this

performative Let Me Famous People. Just

give it away and keep giving it away.

That would that would be my taste in

that. I don't know. Anyway,

>> I love your shirt, by the way. I don't

think we even talked about it.

>> No, I know. What do you think? I got it

at Dollywood.

>> It's so good.

>> What would Dolly do?

>> Well, I didn't realize they didn't have

this when I was a kid, but I was talking

to someone last night about going that

they have a display of her wigs there

now. Yeah.

>> Which I love.

>> I love the code of many colors is there.

>> You know what she did that I also think

is important for women is she did not

associate aesthetics with character. and

she could separate those two in a way

that a lot of people I to this day still

struggle with, which is why I think she

got so many questions about it. And she

would, every time she got a question, it

seemed like about her um about her

appearance, she would turn it back to

what she's like on the inside. And she

wasn't bashful about, you know, what she

had done, I loved that also. Um but she

was saying, you know, well, maybe it's

fake on the outside, but it's real on

the inside.

>> That's right. Deep. That's one of her

songs. That's one of the great songs she

sang. Um, and what one of my other it's

fake eyel What's it called? The oh um

>> uh back backwoods Barbie. That's a great

song that's that talks about false

eyelashes.

>> Dreams and faded jeans that is a great

song. And then I kept putting up songs

that people don't know about and my

favorite is is uh and they re redid it

with a bunch of amazing women artists

recently with her um which is Light of a

Clear Blue Morning. But I would

recommend reading listening just to her

sing it for some reason.

her death, which I kind of I think

everyone was sort of expecting a little

bit this weekend. I had spent a lot of

time watching her for some reason. I

just I love Dolly Parton. I can't

believe I know. I was Yes. I was like,

"Oh, I think she's going to die soon. I

need to be with her. Like, I've got to

like spend time with." And um and

because she was always up and out out

and she wasn't, right? So, you had to

imagine something was going on. And one

of the things that I thought about was

it gives people courage her death. I

know it sounds crazy, but this like the

internet was like saturated with her

yesterday. All kinds of stories from

regular people, the kind things she did

and all manner of things. And I thought,

I have just about [ __ ] had it not

getting along with people. She is right.

Like, you know what I mean? I do. You

imagine it'll have some political impact

cuz I I tell you, everyone I know woke

up today and like, okay, that's enough.

That's enough with the hate. That's

enough with like this woman lived the

most perfect uh you know, if you want to

talk a religious life, a Christian life

in the way that was just right. Do you

think it will have a political effect on

people? Cuz I felt like that's enough of

this hate.

>> I think that's a good point. I mean,

because you couldn't open any of the

apps without just seeing everything

about Dolly, um, which never happens,

where we all come together or something.

I'm not sure if it'll have an impact,

but I think it shows how much people are

grasping for something that does unite

people and that does give people hope

and enthusiasm and an optimism and just

something that everyone can love and no

one has to complain or criticize or

argue or, you know, avoid the subject

with people they love because they don't

want to get in an argument. It really

showed that we are grasping for

something like that that is hopeful and

bright and nice and you know I mean we

do so much politics on my show for my

team who is amazing last night to just

go through all these archives of Larry

King interviews and old clips of her. I

think like the way we described it after

the show was we were like that was soul

cleansing. Like it was so nice to have

this moment of no arguments, no nothing.

It was just everyone talking about Dolly

and um and they don't go after her. I

have to say one of the things she did a

lot of very liberal stances on a lot of

these issues that are now such hot

button issues. You don't see criticism

of her. You never see it like they never

touch her. It's really an interesting

and they will not now obviously because

she's saintlike.

>> Although I love Jack White said instant

saintthood for Dolly.

>> It's instant instant. Why not? Anyway,

we love Dolly. What would Dolly do? This

is what I'm going to do the rest like

and I recommend the PBS documentary.

Here I am. It's just really wonderful

and she really was an amazing and many

songwriter. She was innovative and she

was an entrepreneur. That is something

you have to think about when you think

about her, not just cuz she came from

modest means. Anyway, uh let's move on.

Uh Meta has agreed to pay. This has just

happened. Caitlyn, uh nearly 17 billion

to settle a major federal case brought

by 29 states over allegations that

Facebook and Instagram harm children's

mental health. The deal also requires

major changes to MetaZaps, including

daily time limits, nighttime blocks for

teens, and stronger age verification

measures. The settlement comes in the

second week of a high stakes trial in

California where states accuse Meta of

misleading the public about risks to

young users. Um, any any thoughts on

this? You and I talk about this a lot. I

thought it was uh I think you don't pay

a lot several people like, "Oh, it's

peanuts." It's not peanuts, guys. This

is a big deal. Um, I know it's not

enough and everyone had pretended it was

$1.4 4 trillion. That was never going to

be a settlement. Maybe a hundred

million, 200 million might have happened

in a jury trial, but this is real money

and hopefully real changes. So, this is

of course led by Rob Bont who's also

doing the Paramount deal. I know you

talked to him recently um or the case

leading the cases for the attorney

generals. But talk a little bit about

this because this is a point where first

of all states attorney generals are the

ones doing legislation here finally

getting these changes when the federal

government both Democrats and

Republicans um have done nothing at the

federal level. So do I think sometimes

when you see those lawsuits you kind of

wonder if it's going to go anywhere and

I mean this settlement today speaks to

that. And you know my questions were one

it seems like the changes obviously

they're directed at children and that

has been the focus of this is that it

will affect all users potentially in

terms of what they're changing it

should. Yeah. And you know what that you

know the nighttime activity you know how

long you're on there during the day. Um

and I think the second question that I

had looking at this was you know

obviously they chose to settle. Maybe

they saw the writing on the wall and

they didn't think it was going to go

well for them. And is it the first of

many? Are we going to see more of this

just because this has happened here?

because I mean there's so many other

cases that are happening.

>> Mhm. Yeah. I think it what it says is if

you push back hard enough these Let me

just say I'm glad they settled I'm glad

they're doing these things and someone

from Facebook sent this to me is a

2-hour daily time limit. Turning off

access to our apps at night as a

default. No notification during school

hours. Clear prompts and notifications

for teens every 15 minutes of continuous

screen time. New parental supervision

control so parents can decide how their

teens use the app. Um, so these are all

things that are great. These are also

things that should have been there a

long time ago. Let me just be clear. You

know, it's great for kids and I think

that we should have it. I mean, I think

about my nephews who are not yet into

this era yet and it's terrifying because

they're so pure and perfect and happy

and you don't want that to be corrupted.

I also think it should happen maybe for

people who are 65 plus because I think a

lot of people's parents are online way

too much and sometimes I talk to my own

parents and I'm like,

>> wait, what? like what did you see or

what did you like that that's AI that's

not even real or that's not you know

there's me being used and so I don't

actually think it should only apply to

children I think that adults need this

too

>> yeah there's going to be more cases like

that I think it's just easier for people

to speaking of agree like Marshia

Blackburn agrees with you know someone

on the left on this topic right unless

she unless she wants to be governor and

then she changes a little bit but you

know it's a really it's a big issue for

everyone and I think it's a you know

actually I'm working on a new book and

it's about a digital bill of rights like

what should we all have uh going forward

and one of the this is the beginning not

the end of this and as much as people

don't want a settlement going to trial

Facebook has unlimited options of suing

and su like appealing and appealing and

appealing and this would have taken

years to get these things that need to

happen on the ground like initially for

kids and others will follow that's also

the other companies will follow I mean

they're the biggest one obviously but it

will require it will it will start to

set limits of what we want Again, the

government should have done this. So

should Facebook many years ago, but they

didn't. Um, and so that's one of the

things and it will not end. It will not

end what's happening here, which is a

absolute trend, which you're seeing

again politically, Caitlyn. I mean,

you're seeing you you've written we've

we've talked a lot about on the show um

about these data centers, which to me is

a proxy. How important is it the people

you interview? Because look, Mike Rogers

changed, Abbott changed, Vivic uh Vivic

Ramaswami changed. What do you think the

impact is going to have? I mean, not

only did they change, it was a full 180.

And so, you know, we are we

>> call that a lie, but go ahead.

[laughter]

>> Go ahead. Well, and I think you know

some of the Democratic candidates who

are running, you know, we had um Gina

Henosa who's running against Abbott on

the other night and she was saying,

"Well, let's see if this is real because

I think if he wins re-election um and

obviously this is his opponent speaking,

but she said that she thought maybe he'd

change back his stance given where he

was just a year ago." And I think it's

it's incredible because speaking of

crossover again, which obviously is like

the dominant theme here, this is

something that people on the far right

and the very progressive left seem to

agree on. Um, which is this hesitancy at

best and a fullout opposition at worst

for these companies against these data

centers being built in their communities

with no say so, no transparency they

feel on their behalf of what's

happening. And we had seen these, you

know, Republicans in most cases ushering

in these these giants to their states

to, you know, take over this. And, you

know, without regard, it seems like

whether or not these small communities

where they're being built can keep up

with, you know, what that would require

and entail for resources. Um but I mean

with you know Kathy Hokll imposing her

moratorum the response to that but

seeing how it is now starting to take

shape and everyone is kind of shifting

to this with the exception of people

like President Trump he says it's a

mistake.

>> Yeah. So tell me that I was going to say

that why how come he's sticking to his

guns? I mean you oddly enough you kind

of have to respect him for that. He's

going to go he's all in on AI and his

whole administration is based on the

bear hug that he gave to these AI

people. but he's not backing down and it

probably will hurt other candidates

presumably.

>> Well, there's a lot of Republican

districts where this has become a huge

issue or even I mean obviously we were

talking about the rep Republican Senate

seat in Ohio the other night in terms of

where this stands. And so Trump is

someone who has often been praised over

the last decade for being so in touch

with his political instincts, his base.

This is an area where it doesn't seem to

be the case because there is so much

concern and skepticism about this. And

so I mean I think the question is do we

get on the other side of the midterm

elections this November? And this is

actually a way bigger issue than people

anticipated in terms of you know as you

and I were talking about the other night

real grassroots opposition to this. It's

not you know Michael Watley in North

Carolina was saying that it's all

basically jinned up and being driven by

outside forces but

>> as you were saying that's not the case.

>> It's not Well, that was Kevin Oly in uh

in Utah. It's just moronic. It's ironic

to call these people Chinese communist

psies. I mean, honestly, it was so

weird. And I'm When Watley did that, I'm

like, you sir, first of all, it's

untrue. And second of all, you're

obviously not talking to your

constituents cuz you need to talk to

these people cuz all kinds of people are

concerned. I just it'll be interesting

to see what Trump does after if this

show proves to be a big deal because

it's about economics really. The data

centers are about economics, not about

Well, it is about AI. It is. And

speaking of which, Bill Gates is

sounding the alarm on AI. Just when tech

leaders have wanted to pull back on the

doom scrolling and the doom saying that

we're going to kill all your jobs. In a

nearly 6,000word essay on his website,

Gates warns the transition to this new

AI era will be one of the most turbulent

times in human history, and we're not

prepared for it. Gates is proposing

solutions, including taxes on AI tokens

and bots and reserving certain jobs for

humans. He's also urging countries to

collaborate on regulations specifically

call for the US and China to work

together. He's absolutely right. Bill

Gates did acknowledge to Washington Post

that people might dismiss his views

given his ties to Jeffrey Epstein. He

again called his interactions with Epste

a very bad mistake. It was indeed a very

bad mistake, Bill. I also told him that.

Um talk about this because um it's

really um uh it's an interesting thing

because the tech leaders have been

trying to pull back and again Trump is

not pulling back on this, right? not

pulling back on this issue and has been

best friend to s AI essentially

throughout this administration including

at the very beginning putting them in

the front row and I'll just also note

MIT just put out a report recommending a

fundamental rethink of higher education

in the age of AI calling for redesigned

assessments more hands-on learning and

course specific rules for AI use because

AI can now do all the undergraduate

courses in like 4 seconds which is

really amazing so talk about this as a

political issue because one of The

things that's important is there there

hasn't been much. Is there any plus in

doing it doing stuff around what Gates

is talking about? But I mean, talk about

a holy [ __ ] moment. As you're reading

that, it's like the call is coming from

inside the house because he's saying,

"Hi, I'm one of these industry leaders

and I'm saying that not only are my

colleagues completely downplaying the

concerns over this because they want to

make more money, he's saying this idea

that we're going to self-regulate

is just not even close to having a grasp

on reality." I mean, to hear that from

him should be alarming to everyone. And

you know, it made me think back to every

time we have Bernie Sanders on the show,

which is maybe once every couple of

weeks, we always talk about AI with him,

and he always says he's beating the drum

on it, and he's saying, you know, no

one's paying attention to this. It is

going to wipe out um the job force that

people do not understand the impact it's

going to have, and by the time we do,

it's going to be too late. And so, he's

basically arguing in a different way

than what Bill Gates is saying here, but

arguing the same message. And so for

Bill Gates to say, you know, my

colleagues are not going to be the ones

who are going to step up and and handle

this. And going back to the meta lawsuit

that we're just talking about, I mean,

we've seen what's happened before when

they are the ones who are expected to to

be in charge of the guidelines and the

guardrails.

>> Yeah, it's a Fox Garden house. They have

no interest in regulation whatsoever

unless it's to their advantage or a big

fat pretty contract with the Department

of Defense on AI or something like Okay.

But then the other question is, okay, so

is it up to Congress or Washington?

Because we interview those people every

day. And yes, Bernie Sanders is the one

leading the charge on this from, you

know, the people that we have on the

show, but this idea that they're going

to understand what they're doing and be

able to do it. Like, I don't have a lot

of confidence in that.

>> All right. But do they understand how

planes fly? Do they need to? We were

able to manage to have many car

regulations. This see to me that's

always the excuse, but it was slower. I

think that's what Bill Gates is saying

is he's talking about the farming

transition, you know, with agricultural

um agricultural revolution and

industrial industrialization is it

happened over generations and people had

time to adjust and he's saying I mean

what I found one of the most alarming

things in here was he was saying we

don't have time for that basically here.

That's not going to happen in the same

way. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I feel

like they can do it. They haven't tried

in any way whatsoever and they've been

captive. And again, I wonder if Trump's

embrace of them is going to have a real

effect on on the elections. I mean, of

all the things, where would you rank

tech being in that in that list

>> of like voters concerns?

>> Yeah. I mean, I think in in rural areas,

the data centers backlash, the flock

cameras backlash is becoming more and

more of a thing. the FL. This is police

who who are taking pictures of people

surveillance,

>> the AI readers of like the the license

plates. I mean, and you know, I I've

seen obviously people responding to the

data centers, people saying that's not

wellounded or maybe we just aren't being

transparent enough about this or as Greg

Abbott was saying, you know, they dug

their own grave by not being more

forthright and honest about what was

happening and what people should expect.

Um, I think that could end up being a

big thing. I think obviously the economy

and inflation, but they're all kind of

tied together, you know, because it's

making people think about what they have

money for, what they can afford, where

they're stretched thin, and then, you

know, these tech giants are building

these data centers in their backyards

and affecting resources and water is

their main concern. And I think that's,

you know, is all kind of intertwined.

>> How do you very I'm going to finish this

up, but how do you think about AI? What

do you do? How do you use it? Because

there was this controversy over this

this guy who was insulting Scott Besson,

very famous investor. He used AI for

this Wall Street Journal.

>> Yeah. his mentor.

>> His mentor. Right. Exactly. Well, I

think Swack presence has been soiling

himself for months now, but that's just

my opinion. Um, how do you look how do

you look at it yourself when you think

about its use in your life or in your

reporting or how you cover things? You

know, in the part of Bill Gates's thing

that I thought resonated was he was

talking about all these ways that it

could be helpful to people and not just

to, you know, elites or fancy people or

people who have these like, you know,

cozy cushy jobs. He was talking about

how it could really affect people who,

you know, are working, you know, two

jobs and don't have time to deal with

the paperwork for health care or for

getting government benefits or applying

for financial aid for college or it's

this convoluted [clears throat] kind of

difficult thing. You know, when I went

to college, uh my sister had gone to

college, but we were kind of navigating

this process on our own. You know, it

wasn't really something we didn't have a

fa like a legacy of people who are

alumni that we knew how to to consult.

And so applying for financial aid was

really difficult and we didn't totally

understand it even what we were signing

up for then. And talking about how that

could be helpful to people now, I love

and I think that could be really really

helpful to a lot of the people I grew up

with. But I think on the other side of

it, it's if this happens so fast and it

wipes out all these jobs before we even

have time to understand the implications

of it, right?

>> Um it's scary. But I think everyone can

see how it's helpful to them on a daily

basis. I use it for research and for

looking things up.

>> Uh my dad use it. My dad sells mobile

homes. He uses it every day um for

random things.

>> Wow. Your dad sells I didn't know your

dad sell mobile. I love a mobile home.

>> Yes. Yes, he does.

>> The big ones, the really fancy ones.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's a range, but

>> there's a range. Yeah, there's a range.

Have you ever lived

>> in Alabama? Call me and I'll help you

out.

>> I you know, I had a lot of family

members lived in mobile homes. So, I

have I have a familiarity of mobile

homes.

>> Yeah. But I just think that that speaks

to the spectrum of it, you know, that I

use it every day. My dad uses it. Um my

mom is a teacher, she uses it. It really

is something that you can see how it can

be helpful,

>> but that doesn't mean that they should

just run a muck and

>> or not have worries about it for your

job.

>> Yeah. We'll just wait and see what

happens.

>> You know what I used it for this

morning? What?

>> Looking up I couldn't find my son has is

an obsession with monster trucks. I'm

taking to a monster truck rally of

course and uh we we couldn't figure out

what this one monster truck was. So I

tried to find it on Google and I just

couldn't like through the imagery and I

described it. I just took a picture of

it, put it into Claude and it was like,

"Oh, that's Tiger Reek." And I was like,

>> "That's amazing.

>> Thank you." And my son was like, "Thank

you." And I was like, "Fantastic." And

then he's in this this weird uh toddler

uh monster truck trading rink with a

bunch of boys and they trade them like

insan. Like I can see him years from now

being a Scott, you know, on Wall Street

trading stocks, but now he's trading

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Trump just snapped his recent losing

streak with an endorsed candidates

coming out on top in the latest round of

Republican primaries in South Carolina.

Lindsey Graham's sister Darlene won her

primary despite having virtually no

political experience in debate snafu

over foreign policy. Uh but Trump went

allin on her visiting South Carolina to

stump for her and also tapping into his

MAGA Inc. super PAC which he doesn't

often do. Trump also had success in

Oklahoma where his candidate won in the

Republican runoff for governor. Talk

talk a little bit about this because um

he also uh speaking in the midterms got

a major boost from the Supreme Court

this week in his push to redistrict mail

and voting. Now, it was reported not

quite correctly. The majority of

justices said Trump could move forward

with his executive order, which

>> means plans to do it, not actually

implementing, which directs the postal

service to help determine which voters

should receive mail and ballots. Um,

it's unclear whether it's actually going

to impact the midterms. A separate

injunction is in place and more legal

wrangling is expected, but as Justice uh

uh Brown Jackson wrote in her descent,

the ruling needlessly injects chaos and

uncertainty into the upcoming midterm

elections. about 30% of all ballots in

the 2024 election were cast by mail.

Well, Trump has long attacked mail and

voting. He's used it himself a lot, most

recently in his uh in uh this month in

Florida's GOP primary.

>> But it's it's what they said is if he

breaks it's like they didn't want to do

pre-rime. If it's illegal, we'll call it

illegal, but right now he can plan for

it essentially, which I that seemed fair

honestly, but icky, but fair. Um talk

about these two things of where his

power is right now. Well, on the

executive order, um, yeah, they were

basically saying for now this can move

forward. But the lawsuit, it wasn't

about the merits. The ruling wasn't

about the merits of the case. It was

more about the timing and when they were

sued over it. So, we'll see what happens

there because I mean, obviously, you

know, we're 10 weeks out from the

midterms. The closer you get, the harder

it is to implement those changes, agree

with them or disagree. on Darlene Graham

though. I mean, we went into Tuesday

night not knowing what really was going

to happen in that Senate runoff because

obviously Republicans in South Carolina,

you know, are kind of divided on this.

Not kind of divided, they are divided on

it because so many people wanted to run

for this seat, but the president had

self or had anointed Darlene Graham

after her brother's death so suddenly

this summer. And so going into last

night, the one takeaway as we've been

following Trump's endorsement power, you

know, whether or not he can bring these

candidates over the line if he's not on

the ballot, it showed that he still does

have that power because he basically

elevated someone who until a couple of

weeks ago was not wellknown, who did

have some debate mishaps, whose policy

defi decisions and stances are not

really well defined. Um, and he

basically elevated her in a way to where

she was successful last night against

Ralph Norman. And so, and it's not like

Ralph Norman is someone who is not this

massive ally of the presidents. He's the

person who, last time we had him on the

show, we asked him about the text

message he sent after January 6th, where

he said he wanted the president to

declare martial law.

>> Yes, I recall.

>> And I asked him about that and he told

me his only regret was that he spelled

it M A R S H A L L, not M A R T I A L.

Um, so this person is a very close ally

of the presidents to to put it lightly.

>> Yeah. Yeah, but obviously Darlene Graham

was pulled across the line. Likely is

going to be a senator till 2032 at

least. Uh why did he why her versus

Stormman Norman?

>> As we were reporting on this when he

came out and endorsed her to have the

seat just for a little bit in that

temporary period until the runoff. I

talked to White House officials who said

it's just a tribute to Lindsay. It's his

dear friend that he lost suddenly and

she's going to be there kind of, you

know, in just a placeholder role. They

did not think it was going to be for the

long haul. These are White House

officials who speak to the president.

And so we kind of said, "Okay." And then

we got closer to the runoff and it was

clear that the president thought that

Darlene Graham should run for the seat

really and now obviously is the nominee.

And so I think there are questions of

what that's going to look like once

she's in the Senate. She said she

disagreed with her brother only on

immigration that she would have gone

further. Um but wasn't able to

articulate, you know, policy on Taiwan,

for example, which could be a real issue

soon. And so,

>> uh, I think it did speak though to the

president's political power. But the

other part of this is, and that's what

the White House will tell, they had to

spend a lot of money from his super PAC

that does not has been pretty stingy

actually with Republicans. They spent

$800,000 a year. He did a virtual rally.

He did an in-person rally. I mean, the

president put a lot of effort into a

very safe Republican seat in ensuring

that his candidate got across the line.

And I think that's because it his

endorsement power has been tested in

other places and he didn't want it to be

tested here.

>> Well, there's a lot of coverage about

his power waning rather considerably

like and you know he definitely had to

he heavy this one, right? He had to

shove it through in a way that he never

had

>> for South Carolina is

>> Yeah, that's pretty remarkable in and of

itself.

>> Yeah. So, how does how are people

looking about his power? There's all

kinds of people leaving the

administration. You know, I think

everyone wants to get out ahead of the

Democratic potential subpoenas uh in in

the midterms because most people What

was interesting also about that Darlene

race is Poly Market and Kelsey did get

it right. Polling did not, which was

interesting. They were more accurate in

terms of the final numbers. Maybe a

little bit too high um for them and way

too low for the polls, which is

interesting. That's a whole crisis right

now in political coverage. Um but but

then again, they got a bunch of other

things wrong. poly market did um in

Michigan and other places and Wisconsin.

Um what what where is the power now?

Where how are people feeling with people

leaving? And you know, you've covered

this administration since when? Like

since the la the first one, right?

>> Forever forever. You and Maggie Averman,

>> veterans of a war.

>> She's covered Trump longer than me, but

yeah, I've been there for all the all

the admin years. You know, in terms of

his power, it is a real question, I

think. And you know, this November,

it'll obviously be a test of that, but

also it's a test of just, you know,

political conventional wisdom, which is

that the president, you know, after his

first year in office, his his party

loses pretty badly when it comes to

these congressional elections. We'll see

what shapes out here. I mean, I think

with the redistricting and so much that

has changed and just since February

alone with the war, we don't really have

a good understanding. We don't know. and

given how wrong the polls have been and

they're just a snapshot. I I do think we

don't really know what's going to happen

in November. Everyone kind of assumes

they know, but I think we have to wait

and really see what this looks like. And

so I I think for the president though

and the way he views his endorsement

power, which you know last night he was

calling Darlene Graham an underdog,

saying like he was touting his own power

and acknowledging that she is not this

strong political figure in South

Carolina.

For him, I think it's also a test of he

came into office in the second term with

so much power and able to bend corporate

executives, congressional Republicans,

law firms, pretty much anybody to his

will,

>> but not Caitlyn Collins. But go ahead.

[laughter]

>> Well, um, true, but hopefully that's

true for you, Caitlyn. You can't do it.

[laughter]

>> Yeah. Well, I mean, that's a whole

another thing.

>> I'll ask you about that later. But I I

think that, you know, for him to be in a

in a situation where there are people

who push back on him and he is going to

be in a different world in Washington

should the midterms not go his way will

be a very different time of the Trump

presidency.

>> Is there a prediction you I think he'll

cooperate. That's my feeling. Like I

think he knows, right? Presumably

>> with with what?

>> I think he'll go whatever way the wind

blows. I think no, I don't think he'll

be I think he'll I mean I think those

meetings between Jared Kushner and Hakee

Jeff says a lot. They're going to he's

going to try to recover himself in a

different way or reinvent himself in

some other way. Maybe.

>> I also think I mean this is my

prediction. This isn't you know I mean

this is what I've heard from reporting.

It's an estimated it's an educated

prediction but it's I mean we'll have to

you know you can't really predict too

much in political reporting. You have to

wait and see. Uh, I don't think that

they will handle congressional oversight

the way they did the first time. And I

think that the president hated being

impeached so much, even though he says

he expects it and thinks it'll happen

again this time. I think that there will

be way more push back from the DOJ and

from the White House,

>> even than what we saw the last time

around. And so I I think it will be a

very different Washington should the

Democrats win and should they try to

conduct these investigations. And I

don't think it's totally clear that

we'll actually see it in the same way we

saw the first time. So, dig in even more

because he's pretty Oh, wow.

Interesting. See, I think he's going to

roll right over.

>> I think he's a I'm not going to say what

I think he is, but I think he's a bully

and he'll he gets punched in the nose,

he's going to stop. That's I don't know.

Maybe not. That's why he's doing all

this. I'm going to tear down the Kennedy

Center foot stomp and this and that. I

just think he just he knows his time is

limited. I think he's very aware. He's

he's very um

lizard-like in that way. He knows, you

know, he has a very good sense of where

the wind is blowing in a lot of ways.

One thing on an off note about the

Kennedy Center, uh, I rewatched Dolly

Parton's tribute from 2006 last night

and it was a reminder of how great the

Kennedy Center honors are and why

they're so important

>> because they really did provide us with

like this moment of her of Reeba coming

out and telling this great story about

when she met Dolly

>> and it reminded me of just how great,

you know, everyone like criticizes

Washington institutions. That's one

that's this lovely moment for the entire

country. I think

>> do you know 24 year old Cara Swisser

covered it every year when I was at the

Washington Post. I was reporter for

this. I was in the style section 23 24 I

covered it. John Denver I remember doing

and I used to sit there and get my

little quotes and

>> write up the Kennedy Center Honors. I

loved it.

>> What a great assignment.

>> It was so good for a young reporter.

>> You're like I'll do the Kennedy Center

honors. Don't worry.

>> Well, they actually like we'll send the

young lady to it. Like we'll send the

young people to it because all the older

people are like I'm not going out like

that kind of thing.

>> Yeah. It's like a Sunday night. It goes

super late.

>> Yeah. And by the way, the Kenny Center

for all it's I'm not a big fan of the

look of it honestly. But I just what's

happening there is ridiculous. It's kind

of a ridiculous weird weird flex. Like

why would you flex on that? Like just

seems silly. I get the White House part.

I do in a weird way but I don't get the

other thing. Um over and under whether

he's going to get the ballroom built.

Yes. No. Uh, well, I mean, there's a

giant hole in the ground right now, so

they're definitely working on it. Um,

and I don't I don't I don't think I

can't I just can't see them half

building it and then stopping. And I I

do think the question I mean, maybe it's

a silly question. It's obviously not

substantive and not the number one

question, but

>> should a Democrat win after it. It is a

real question of what they will do with

smaller

>> the other changes are easier to reverse.

The ballroom would will be more

difficult because

>> smaller ballroom if it's not fully

built. Smaller they needed.

>> Yeah. I mean, going into the White House

every day and I' I've covered the White

House for 10 years. Seeing these giant

cranes, you know, it's totally it's

changed the way we cover the president

because his departures don't happen

where, you know, chopper talk that

doesn't happen anymore out on the south

lawn because we can't go out there

because there's so much construction and

it's taken up such a big part of it. And

they're also building the helellipad

that he wants done by the time Chinese

president Xiinping comes next month. Um,

there's a lot happening back there.

>> There's a lot happening back there. You

know what I do love is Arlington

Cemetery is one of the most hallowed

places that you can visit and beautiful.

>> I mean brought me to tears when I first

went as like a 24y old.

>> Um the arch I think will obstruct part

of the view of the cemetery from what

from my understanding of how it is.

>> Um which I think you know is a miss for

people who want to go to the cemetery.

>> It's a beautiful place. It was Robert

El's estate. It was his uh plantation

which is incredible to think about. It's

a beautiful uh you know my dad is not

buried in my dad was in the military is

not buried in there but uh I'm you know

it just is one of the most beautiful

places.

>> Yeah but you probably think about him

every time you go there.

>> Every time. Every time. Um all right,

Caitlyn, let's go on a quick break. When

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Caitlyn, we're back with more news. Now

on to the lovely ad from the sports

world golf focus media company good good

golf and equipment maker Callaway have

apologized after an ad for their golf

club uh showed a male golfer shoving a

woman to the ground after she reached

for his club. The video was intended as

a parody of the horror movie Obsession.

Let me tell you it is not one uh but

drew backlash for making light of

violence against women. By the way in

that movie the woman was murderous.

Okay. She wasn't like she was murderous.

Good. Good removed the video and

apologized and Cal Callaway acknowledged

that it approved the ad before it

posted, which should have never

happened. Of course, mistakes were made.

It's not really a good excuse for like

beating up on a woman, but Good plans to

donate the campaign's proceeds to an

organization supporting women. No

thanks. Uh though they're still in the

process of researching which one to give

it to. Um talk a little bit about a room

of people approving an ad like this. And

I would love you, one of the things I

know you've talked a lot about the smile

thing and and the attacks that President

Trump does on you, which are very

complicated, I think, in a lot of ways,

but one of the things I said when I was

on the view, when I I was arguing with

Sunonny Host over this, and she's like,

"Everyone in the room should say

something or she should say something

back." I said, "Absolutely not. She's

handling exactly right. Not having an

emotion, doing her job, asking the

question. if she makes it about her or a

back and forth with the president, it

really it's not what she should do. Talk

a little because this was because the

text on you are sexist. There's just no

other way around it. Um, talk a little

bit about this ad and and and is I

assume that's why you don't respond and

the why you respond the way you do,

which is to be a professional.

>> Yeah. I mean, first off, on the ad, I'm

not in the golf world really at all. Um,

I was a car girl in college to make

money, but other than that, that's

probably my

It's like the person who um you're in

the cart that's loaded up with beer,

water, sandwiches, and you drive

backwards on the course and you're

basically like the rolling concession

stand.

>> Um but the golfers are always really

glad to see you because you know if

you're out on a big big course in

Alabama in July, it gets hot.

>> Um

>> and I would always try to be like the

best car

>> cart girl.

>> I would whip around that course. I would

always remember everyone's orders. Um it

was actually a great job. I

>> So you didn't run behind a golf cart

like say Natalie Harp, right? Correct.

>> No, [clears throat] I was driving the

golf cart.

>> Okay.

>> And it was huge and heavy and you worked

like 14 hour days and I would get home

and be totally exhausted.

>> Um it was good. It was a good college

job and uh I highly recommend it. Um but

when I saw that ad and then the respon

it's always the response that like

somehow makes it worse. It's like that

people really don't know how to one the

fact that it got approved and people

thought this is hilarious

is

insanity. But but then the response, the

mistakes were made. We're researching,

you know, the best place to to donate

this money to. I mean, it's just

cringeworthy. You you think, how does it

get that far? And I understand, you

know, sometimes people make mistakes,

bad judgment calls. That seemed like a

pretty obvious one where obviously like,

did they ask any women what they thought

about that ad before they uh posted it?

No. But honestly, did they ask any men?

Like I my son saw it and he was like,

"Are you kidding me?" So how why do you

think it is? Is that sort of a a a thing

of Trump like manly man or or something?

What do you how what do you attribute it

to? I think with the with the president

it's more of a power thing. Um I think

that it's you know moments where we're

coming into the Oval Office to what I

was just saying about how people treat

him and you know we've watched it. you

see at all the cabinet meetings or with

executives who come in there and they

each take turns praising him saying he's

the first president who's ever done x y

and z for them. um that is an

environment that he is used to and has

been for some time and doesn't face a

lot of questioning or push back or

opposition and I mean even his own aids

devise you know when they disagree with

him how to bring that up to him and how

to talk to him about it and so I think

that you know when people come in the

oval office and the way they've changed

the press corps you know there's one or

two annoying people in there who were

asking him questions that he doesn't

like even if they're pretty

straightforward questions and they're

quoting other officials like with my

colleague Kristen Holmes the other day

quoting John Oaf um and how the White

House responded to that which just was

bizarre. Um I think that they just it's

it's the questioning that they don't

like in and of itself. It's not it

doesn't even really matter who it's

coming from. And that's why I don't

respond or react.

>> It is always women. It's almost always

women, which is

>> well and that's why I don't respond or

react because I don't I truly feel this

and I don't think that it's about me and

I don't want to make it about me and I

want to, you know, I I'm asking a

question because I want an answer to it

or because I'm trying to point something

out um with the question itself. And so

I never want to get bogged down in some

kind of back and forth or argument or

fight that becomes about me because I

want it to stay focused on the question.

And truly that has been my mentality on

this for 10 years now. And it's never

surprising when this happens to me. It

truly isn't anymore. White House

correspondents dinner in the Oval

Office, any of these moments. And so,

you know, I'm there to do my job.

>> Do you think the other reporters should

say something? I don't either. I think I

think they should repeat your question

perhaps. That's the only thing I can

think of. But

>> yeah, I think following up on questions

is important. um and taking those

moments or you know I remember there was

a press conference during the pandemic

where the president would come out and

do the briefings himself and Peter

Alexander was asking a question and

Trump was going off on Peter about Peter

not about the question and then when he

called on me I kind of said you know

people are sitting at home watching this

trying to figure out did they send their

kids to school can they go to work is it

safe to get these groceries and bring

them into their home you know in those

early days it's no one wants to hear

about this attacking a reporter They

want you who's been speaking with these

officials and the doctors to give them

guidance or answer their questions or

like you know some kind of you know

national instruction of what we should

be doing in this moment. And I think

that's you know I just think it's always

important to return to the substance.

One time I was on a show and my son was

in the in the green room and I one of

the guests after me said your mom's

really smart but she should smile more

to my son. Said this to my son.

>> Oh boy.

>> I know. And my son was like, he he my

son goes, "Are you like 150 years old?"

Cuz that's the stupidest thing I've ever

heard. And I was like, "Parenting, well

done." Like she I know. I was like,

>> "That must have been such a fulfilling

moment for you."

>> That's the frat bro who did it too, by

the way. Um he's like, "Don't talk to my

mom.

>> Don't talk to Don't talk about my mom."

And women don't shouldn't have to smile.

Um

>> also, anyone who would say that to Caris

Cariser's son.

>> Well, yes, I know that exactly. talk to

a young reporter who that happens to,

explain what's going through your head

for just a second and what advice you

would give them when that happens. It's

easier to brush off the longer you've

done it because I think, you know, the

first time it happens to you, it's

obviously jarring because, you know,

being a reporter in and of itself, and I

I talked to a lot of young people who

are graduating who want to be in a

reporting field, it's it can be

intimidating because by nature, what

you're doing is you are sometimes if

you're covering things critically or

questioning what's happening, which you

should be if it's a taxpayer funded

project or official, um, has always been

my my position on this, is you're

inherently kind of having this like, you

know, at odds relationship where you're

asking questions they don't really want

you to ask, much less they don't want to

answer. And so, you know, as a reporter,

you really do kind of have to you have

to accept that you're the one person in

that room who they view as like the

skunk of the garden party and they don't

like what you're saying. And you have to

really you can't do it to be liked. And

you can't go in there thinking, "Oh,

they're going to love my question or

think it's so smart because one, they're

never going to be happy with what you're

asking." I mean, unless you're saying,

"Why is this so great? Why is this such

a an amazing idea?"

>> Fantastic hairdoer, that kind of thing,

>> right? Like, people will just never be

happy with that. And so, I think as a

young reporter, you just got to be ready

and, you know, go in there with resolve.

And I also think this is my always been

my thing, being prepared, knowing what

you're talking about, having follow-up

questions ready, um, knowing what that

person's probably going to say in

response to your question will give you

more confidence going to any of those

exchanges than anything else. You

really, I mean, it's like you got to

build it up yourself and you will over

time, but being prepared always made me

feel better because I would, you know,

no matter where this goes,

>> you're ready with a follow-up. You did

that with the Epstein question. you

know, you were like, but this happened.

Uh, it's it's still hard. It's a very

difficult thing, but I have to say, you

have show incredible poise in doing so.

I think most people think that and they

can't believe I would I'd not be able to

if I'd be like, can you [ __ ] step

off, sir? Like, I would be I just

couldn't do it. That's why I couldn't

cover it. I just I lost my ability to

not talk slap back at people. Anyway, I

appreciate it. Um, all right, Caitlyn,

one more quick break. We'll be back for

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Okay, Caitlyn, let's hear a prediction.

Okay, so I was my first question on this

was what should my prediction be in the

realm of? And I guess the answer is

anything.

>> So I can truly pick anything that I want

to predict.

>> Anything. Aliens showing up, etc. I

wish. Please hurry up if they're coming.

I know. Like we're waiting. [laughter]

I know.

>> Um I think my prediction is going to be

about college football because we're

getting closer and closer to kickoff for

Alabama.

>> All right.

>> And um

>> you are a huge for people to know she's

an enormous So is Tim Cook.

>> Yes. Well, he went to Auburn though, so

we're rivals.

>> Okay. But but yeah, right. Rivals.

>> But um not really. I mean, it's Auburn.

My sister went to Auburn, too. She

doesn't like when we say that. And you

know what's funny is anytime I wear like

orange or something on air, which you

know, I live in Washington and New York.

Like I don't think it's that crazy.

Someone from Alabama is like, "Why is

she wearing Auburn colors tonight,

y'all?" Wow.

>> It's just so crazy that that is truly

how we think in Alabama.

>> Um I think my prediction is we're going

to go

hopefully 10 and two this season.

>> What does that mean?

>> 10 wins, two losses. And I'm sure one of

them is going to be some loss that

leaves us all just

>> who would least like to lose against.

>> I mean, I think I you know, we hate to

lose to Georgia. That's that's a big one

for us lately. And uh one of my

colleagues is a big Georgia fan. And so

um

yeah, I mean it's just it is the best

time of the year. It is the most

agonizing time of the year because it

people don't realize you go down there,

right? You go to the

>> Yeah. Yeah. I go to a bunch of games. I

try to go to as many as possible. Um

it's tough. There's like one flight to

Birmingham in the morning to make

kickoff and I've cut it pretty close

sometimes after doing the show on Friday

night.

>> 10 and two, whatever that means. 10.

>> So I'm hoping we're going to go 10 and

two. That's my optimistic outlook. I'm

hoping we'll make the playoffs. And

yeah, I mean it's tough. It I love it so

much. It really is this bittersweet

feeling. And I was home actually the

other day um driving in Alabama

listening to the FM radio and Paul

Finebomb who is my favorite sports talk

show host that I listen to all the time

growing up listening to him and these

people call in. Cara, you would love it.

Um and they just argue with him about

college football and the state of it and

what's going on. The house bring that

together. Although there was that

disturbing report this week about NFL

players. They've got to do something.

>> They got to do something because it

starts early on. You know, I didn't let

my kids play football because of that.

>> Yeah. I I think it's I mean, as a

parent, it's big question because it's

it's terrifying and it's it's no more

scarier than for athletes themselves,

you know, who have to reckon with this

>> talent that they have, this opportunity

to have personal success in a way that

so few people can. And you know at times

can be a huge deal for them and also

with their own personal health and

longevity and you're asking you know

18-year-olds to make this decision or

earlier my kids my my my son played

touch football which I was fine with

because it was not you know and he was

good. They were good. Both of them were

big guys and I just I ran I ran I think

it was Roger Goodell once and he's like

oh and I had my boys with me like oh

your boys playing football. I said, "Not

if I want them to be, you know, mentally

disabled by 33." And he was like,

"Okay." And moved. Nice meeting you.

>> Nice meeting you. [laughter] I was like,

"Oh, okay." Just, you know, but I felt

bad cuz I I agree with you. There's

something very beautiful about football

games and, you know, games and sports

and uh and the and the community. It

brings bring it back to the valley.

There's a community of something around.

>> Yeah. But you want to protect these

athletes. That's what I care about.

>> There's technological ways to do it.

There is. They just have to start to get

serious about it. But they could know

lots of stuff. Speaking of AI, there's

all manner of things they could do

>> and you want to protect these kids who

are,

>> you know, giving their all in the field

and it's just it is so special to watch

and

>> Yeah, it is. It is. It's a great deal.

>> Um, my prediction, I'm going to make a

very short one. Uh, you know, Rob,

>> is it also about Alabama football?

>> No, not at all. Not at all. I don't, you

know, I don't watch sports. Well, let me

just say my prediction is I can't wait

for the the season finale of Furious,

which is speaking of Angry Women, um is

amazing, is a show on Hulu. Uh but my

prediction actually has to do with the

settlement that Meta made. Um this is

was led by Rob Bont, someone who you

just interviewed. Um I think Paramount

doesn't settle like stop the games

they're playing with all these press

releases, um personal attacks, weird

leaks, and things like that. and they're

pretending it's not them, it is them

leaking all this stuff. They need to

settle and Bont has shown his ability to

settle when it makes a reasonable kind

of thing. Um, this guy is really

someone to watch and he's very clever

and spicy and he has got a lot he's got

a lot of leverage here and they should

they they if they're not completely

idiotic, they have to stop playing games

as he said and settle and they should

and they will. I I I think they must and

if they don't it's over. And so I I

that's my prediction is that they

somehow someone's going to slap the

sense into these people and do the right

do a thing cuz this guy is this this

success with Meta is going to make a big

difference um in a lot of stuff that

he's doing. Um and how did you find him?

You found him. He's he's something he's

something else, right?

>> Well, I mean you know more about all of

the discussions and what's happening

behind the scenes than I do because you

cover it every day. I mean from our

perspective you know we had the attorney

general on as you know from a reporter's

perspective as an interview guest

because it is a genuine news story and I

think even though CNN is involved in it

because obviously it's our parent

company Warner Brothers you know we have

to still approach it as a new story and

still cover it as such and so we had him

on and I thought it was interesting

because he was so you know we asked if

he had evidence about them leaking but

he was so visceral on his reaction of

how he viewed how they've handled

Um, and I I think I said to him at one

point, you know, it doesn't sound like

you you really want to settle with them

or that you're in the environment for

that, I guess I should say. Um, given

where things had broken down to at that

moment and so obviously we'll see what

happens, but he seemed my my

understanding from his appearance on the

show the other night was that he seemed

very confident of his position.

>> He has a good position.

>> And so obviously we will see

>> yeah where it goes.

>> Saber rattling. Some of it's this and

that, but 100% that's who leaked. I can

tell you that. But it was really um

actually his office is tight as a tick I

have to say. I've tried my various ways

to get in there and uh they're much

tighter and Paramount is a leaky leaky

civ of place. Sorry David David is

always surprised by that but it is all

media FYI all media companies are leaky

saves and they are excellent for

reporters to do and but it was a very

good interview you did with him. It was

really interesting. Anyway, I suspect

there'll be a settlement because come on

stop it stop it boys. That's enough

that's enough of that. You want to care

about people's jobs and about chaos and

things like that. So,

>> well, football season goes through

January if we make the playoffs, the

national championship. So, we'll see

whose prediction bears out first.

>> All right. Okay, we'll do that. I think

yours is probably [laughter] Well, you

know, you can't knock sense into people.

>> Well, now you got to root for Alabama.

So, we'll do an Alabama t-shirt next

time.

>> No, I can't because my son's at

Michigan.

>> Oh,

>> are they They're a rival, right? They're

a big riv

>> I mean,

>> I'm going to the Michigan game on

parents weekend. I'm sorry to give you

that information.

>> You're going to have so much fun. I

mean, I I mean, I love college football,

period. So, you're going to have so much

fun. But and Michigan did beat us in

Nick Sabin's last game before he

retired, so I'm still taking that one

personally.

>> I know. But in any case, um yeah, I

don't really care who wins, honestly,

Caitlyn. I don't I don't. But go blue.

Whenever I wear my hat, these Michigan

people are insane and they yell go blue

at me all the time. Um anyway, but

someone a friend of mine who I've

converted to being an Alabama football

fan, he was in Greece and he said he saw

a guy wearing an Auburn shirt the other

day and he goes, "F Auburn." And the guy

was so caught off guard by this like

random person in Greece going after