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>> my friend. [music] Joe, it's good to see

you, man. Bro, it's good to see you. So,

I've been sending you stuff cuz like

we've been I knew that you were coming

on and I sent you that one uh that video

of the guy who got a trail cam photo of

a black panther. Yep.

>> So, is that just a melanistic

mountain lion? Like, what is that?

>> It's a great question. There's never

been a melanistic mountain lion.

Nobody's ever seen one ever. Never hit

one with a car, never born one

captivity, nothing.

>> Wa.

>> So, mountain lions by definition, pumas,

you know, whatever you want to call

them. Um, there's never been a black one

ever. But every year, I mean, I got a

buddy in Florida who swears blind that

he's seen a black mountain lion in his

backyard. And yet that photo that you

sent me,

that photo circulates like once every 3

years. It's [ __ ] It's a real photo,

but it's a trail cam photo. Oh, it

wasn't this one, but

>> Well, that's I think that's the first

one. And then there's another one with

the cat gets like right up to the lens.

Yeah, that one.

>> So, that photo is a real I want to say

jaguar. It's hard to tell, but either

jaguar or black leopard. both of which

are do become melanistic.

>> But there's and you can tell that cuz

you can see the spots barely like the

rosettes.

>> So all these melanistic cats like like

jags and leopards and things that do get

melanistic, they still have those

rosettes under the black coat. Yeah. So

not a mountain line.

>> Wow. Too bad.

>> I know. It's such a bummer. One day if

somebody finds one, that'll be like a

huge thing scientifically.

>> Funny that we want it to be different

because just a mountain line itself is

amazing. I mean, if they were all black

and there was like a tan mountain line,

be like, "Somebody saw a tan mountain

line."

>> 100%. It's like whatever is different

and rare is what people just are like, I

want that one thing.

>> I've always said that about Bigfoot.

>> Yeah. Bigfoot is kind of interesting,

but not as interesting as an orca.

>> 100%. Like, we have gorillas that are

cooler than Bigfoots.

>> Well, orcas in in particular because

they have languages that we can't

decipher. Languages, specialized diets,

some kind. Do you know I'm sure you know

us can't even talk to each other, right?

>> Yeah. It's unbelievable. Like it's the

same as if you or I went to India or

Africa. It's like we kind of

communicate. We don't eat the same food.

We look different. And yet to us an orca

is an orca,

>> right?

>> Yeah.

>> And super smart and huge brains and

don't kill people for some strange

reason except when they're in captivity.

>> That's right. Yeah. Which is so crazy. I

did a thing in Baja Mexico maybe 3 years

ago where we were just cruising on this

little ponga, this little fishing boat,

and we saw these orcas go by. And now

people seem to be doing it a lot, but at

the time it was like nobody had really

just tried this. And this was a

transient population, which means they

primarily eat uh seals and sea lions,

not the stingray eaters. And so we're

like, "Fuck it. Let's just go." And we

like ran the boat up ahead and jumped

in. And the orcas came up and the bull

never came out. So you know, the bull

has a huge fin like he's the biggest

like the the dominant protector of the

pod. But the cows and their babies came

up and the boat like drifted away and me

and my buddy Mike and they just circled

us like just looking at us with their

big eyeballs.

>> Wow.

>> And it was me to you from orcas and they

they did like two two circles around us

like what are these things? Then we're

just like me boring and kept swimming.

>> They they must know, right? If they're

that intelligent, they have language and

they communicate. They must know that

what what a person is, right?

>> I think this

>> Oh, dude. I saw the guy that filmed

this. This is so crazy. Orca headbutts a

sunfish so hard it explodes.

>> Boom. Turns into pieces. So, this is a

newly documented behavior. Just in the

last maybe 6 months, they've found that

orcas will literally explode fish from

impact, whether it's a game or what, but

they're they're finding that this is not

the first time this is done. They're

doing this. They're starting to just

explode these fish on impact just

because.

>> How are they doing that? Like, how how

fast are they going? I do not know the

answer to that, but it's impressive.

>> I would have never imagined that that

would actually be possible, right? Like

how fast can you

>> I'm trying to like What does the

starfish look like flat like a stingray

or

>> a sunfish? It's like a mola mola. Those

ocean sunfish with the big gooy huge

huge 600 lb. They get huge. I It's

>> How do they literally turn to dust?

>> Dude, I think I think those are the orca

equivalents of like a redneck that wants

to hit a turtle [laughter] on the road

and they're just like, "We're bored.

Let's explode it."

>> Or those guys that do that. Have you

seen that game? Well, it's not game, but

it's I guess whatever it is, an activity

where these guys just run at each other

full blast,

>> dude. RNC, Run Nation.

>> I [ __ ] love that. It's one of my

favorite things. I'm such a huge fan.

>> Don't you love that?

>> I love it, dude. Cuz I play rugby. So,

it's rugby boys that are doing it,

right? It's like an Oklahoma drill

except for rugby guys. And that's a

drill that when I was playing rugby, we

used to do all the time.

>> Just run at each other.

>> You just run. It's my fa run nation,

RNC. It's my favorite thing. I

[laughter] watch every video. Look at

these guys.

>> I would have never get They both just

went unconscious. [laughter]

>> Look at that. They both went Well, that

guy's

>> That guy's fine.

>> But I've seen it where they both get

unconscious.

>> I want to bring these guys to the US and

see how they stack up against like NFL

linebackers.

>> Oh, Jesus Christ. They both headbutted

each other, dude.

>> Dude, you love fight sports. What are

you talking about?

>> This is not a fight sport. This is just

[ __ ]

>> I'm such a fan.

>> Oh, that's so silly. [laughter]

>> Oh, wow.

>> I don't want to do it to be clear. that

you like that. I know too much about

brain damage and you should too if you

like rugby.

>> I've had too much brain damage to know

too much about brain. No, I'm just

kidding. But um

>> how long did you play rugby for?

>> Well, I grew up in Zimbabwe and so like

Southern Africa rugby is life, right? So

it's like probably deep south football

kind of culture. So I still play,

believe it or not. Um except now I play

very intermittently cuz one game puts me

out for weeks at a time. Have

>> you ever got your brain examined?

>> Uh no I have not. I've only had one

concussion in my life, so I think I'm

okay.

>> Oh, that's silly. Cuz you [laughter] you

guarantee you'd have subconcussive

trauma.

>> What is subconcussive trauma?

>> Well, you where you don't go

unconscious, but you get rattled and

then you have some brain damage.

>> You're probably right.

>> Yeah, soccer players get it.

>> Really?

>> Yeah, soccer players. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Chronic traumatic encphylopathy.

>> Yeah, that's Soccer players get it.

>> I did not know that.

>> From hitting the ball.

>> So, is that And you know a lot about

UFC. Is that brain trauma worse than UFC

type trauma?

>> Well, it's all brain trauma and it's

dependent upon many factors. It's

dependent upon how many times you've

been hit and also there's a gene

variation.

>> Uh it's a APOE4. Is that what it is?

>> I think so. Yeah.

>> Um if you have this one particular gene,

uh it makes you more susceptible to CTE

for some reason.

>> Interesting. Yeah. So, like cuz a brain

a concussion is when your brain sort of

impacts against your skull. Is that

right?

>> There's that. And I mean I think it's

also uh it's not just that. It's like if

you get hit in the neck, you can get a

concussion. Also, yeah. Also, a lot of

people don't realize you can get a

concussion from getting hit in the body.

>> Really? How does that work?

>> You get rattled. Yeah. Also, uh another

group of people that seem to get CTE are

people who ride jet skis.

>> That's wild. How does that work? Well,

my friend Mark Gordon, he's a doctor who

specializes in traumatic brain injuries

and treating um football players,

soldiers, uh and he's treated some

fighters as well. Um he said that any

repeated stress, any banging, anything

like that. Head banging. Like if you're

[ __ ]

>> headbanging Yeah. Like you're probably

going to get brain damage.

>> No way.

>> Yeah. Legitimate brain damage. Like I

can't remember what I was doing 5

seconds ago. Where's my keys? I forget

what I'm talking about. Mids sentence.

>> Dude, you're scaring me here.

>> These are all things I enjoy doing.

>> Well, I'm sure I enjoy running straight

at people. Full [laughter] blast. Yeah.

I just uh Look, those guys are animals.

They're tough guys. No doubt about it.

>> And those Pacific Islanders like cuz

those are the guys that are doing it

primarily, right? Like they play rugby

league and stuff. They're built

different, man. Like they're so hard.

It's insane.

>> Do you remember David Tua?

>> No, I'm not. David Tua was a heavyweight

boxer back in the day who uh was like

one of the most ferocious guys that ever

fought in boxing and it just just built

like like a you're prototypical

island warrior guy just that's David

>> T just a tank.

>> You don't want to run it at that guy.

I'm telling you what. [laughter]

>> Yeah. I mean, uh, just a monster. He

would knock people out

>> in He knocked out John Ruiz like

famously in the first round and like

something like 30 seconds or something

like that. It was crazy.

>> Different breed, man.

>> Crazy left hook.

>> Yeah, that that kind of guy. I mean,

we've had a bunch of Mark Hunt, who's a

famous kickboxer, was another guy built

like that. Yeah. Just just wide as a

[ __ ] barn.

>> There's like no waste. It's just like a

brick solid rock.

>> I again playing rugby. I played rugby

against guys like that and it was the

worst. Well, those are the dudes that

have the balls to get in a little tiny

boat and make it across the [ __ ]

ocean, [laughter]

>> you know, and then kick your ass.

>> That's what it is really. I mean, you

think about it, like only the super

robust survived,

>> right?

>> So, it's like nature just weeding out

any possible weakness. Only the

strongest human beings made it.

>> Absolute natural selection.

>> Similar to the African-Americans that we

have in North America, like those are

the strongest, best guys that came over

here, right? And that's why they're all

the most incredible athletes. Yeah, I

don't know about all, but you know what

I mean.

>> Yeah, I know what you're saying.

>> There's I mean it's for and also like

when you look at like guys from Iceland,

strong men. So how many strong men are

from Iceland? Well, how many [ __ ]

Vikings are from Iceland? Like let's

weird when you think about it that like

nature finds its way.

>> It's the same thing. It's like we think

we're so different and above like

animals and stuff. It's natural

selection. We just bring the biggest,

the best, and the strongest into some

area. Whether that's Vikings colonizing

Iceland or or the Samoans on their

islands or whatever it happens to be and

you're just like, "Well, here's a

superior population cuz we've all the

biggest, best, and strongest have made

it and all of the weakest have died

off."

>> Isn't that weird? Like you as a guy who

studies wildlife biology, isn't it weird

that we want to think of ourselves as

being a different thing? Like we are

clearly not.

>> We're not we're not even at the top.

That's the thing that people never

understand. Intellectually, we are

obviously look at what we've built. But

like we're not even we don't even sit at

the top of the food chain.

>> Well, we kind of do because we kill

everything else if we want to.

>> Well, because Yeah. Well, not even our

brains really. It's other people's

brains that invented guns. It's like it

has nothing to do with you and me. True.

That's such interesting is like our

brains are our evolutionary advantage.

It transfers over to people that don't

have good genetics. Yeah.

>> Right. Like cuz you could be built like

a bag of [ __ ] Like a literal bag of

[ __ ] And you can kill a grizzly bear

with a rifle.

>> That's right.

>> Kind of nuts, right? It's crazy.

>> You can just be sitting there on a

ridge. Yep. Like with a scope and boom

and you kill a 1200 lb Kodiak brown bear

>> cuz all of our biological energy goes

into this thing instead of being

physically big or intimidating or any of

those other things.

>> We can transfer what we figured out onto

other people, which is no other animals

ever figured out how to do that.

>> Nope. Isn't that crazy?

>> Wild. Yeah,

>> it's really wild. Y

>> it's when you think about it, it's like

what a what a if you were studying us,

if you were coming from another planet

and you were studying us, you'd be like,

"Wow, this one animal is [ __ ] weird,

man. This one this one's doing something

different."

>> Yeah, absolutely.

>> But it they would still look at us and

go, "Oh, well, they're definitely

animals." Like, look at them.

>> Oh, yeah. If you looked at the Earth

from an Earth shot, you'd look at what

we've done and be like, "This is the top

animal, but they're parasitic and

colonizing the whole planet and changing

things and manipulating things, whereas

all the other animals are just getting

by."

>> Yeah. If we found out that there were

were actual visiting aliens, that there

there was actual intelligent life from

somewhere else visiting us, I think

there a lot of us would probably be

like, "Why didn't you help?"

>> Yeah. Why didn't Why didn't you come

along and say, "Hey, cut the shit."

>> It reminds me of the I don't know. Did

you watch Do you watch South Park ever?

>> Yes.

>> There was an old South Park episode

where Earth was like a reality show and

it's so [laughter] like let's see who's

getting along this week. The zebras are

fighting with the giraffes and the

people are doing this. And it's like

it's like we're just like a reality show

for the universe where you just put a

bunch of species. We're like a big big

brother situation.

>> Well, we are kind of that for us.

>> Oh, totally.

>> We are That's what a reality show is.

The reality show for us is the world.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, Lindsey Graham, did he die in

a rocket accident or did he die? Was he

poisoned by Russia? Let's tune in to

Twitter and find out. You know what I

mean?

>> Exactly, man. It's hilarious.

>> We are We are locked in on whatever the

[ __ ] is happening all over the world all

at once. And that's one of the weird

things about social media now is that

we're constantly being inundated with

new things to occupy our attention,

>> you know?

>> Yeah. We have no attention span to watch

anything for more than 5 seconds.

>> But yet at the same time, this is the

rise of podcasts.

>> Yeah.

>> Which are long form,

>> right? So it's clear that that's not

really the case with everybody. There's

enough people that are interested in

actual fascinating things and have an

attention span. It's just like we're all

susceptible to the the brain rot that

comes with just scrolling.

>> It's so hard not like I've tried to make

conscious decisions because you know,

you can imagine what my Instagram feed

looks like, right? It's animal after

animal. Half of it's AI now. whatever.

And I still try and make a conscious

decision to not look at it. And I find

myself just reaching for my phone and

doing this. It's just it we're wired

into it now.

>> That dopamine hits crazy.

>> And it's not even really rewarding,

which is really terrifying to me because

it's not something that's like really

feels great.

>> And you barely retain the information.

Like even if you watch an educational

one where you're like, "Wow, that was

amazing." You barely retain that

information because it's such a quick

thing until you're on to the next one.

At least for me.

>> Yeah. Yeah, there's a little bit of that

in there for sure, but I think I've

gotten a pretty good algorithm lately.

So lately, for whatever reason, my

algorithm has been really excellent.

It's really dialed in to where I'm only

getting like really fascinating things

the last couple of weeks.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, it's been great.

>> That's way better.

>> And then every now and then some

[ __ ] [ __ ] comes on. I [laughter]

just skip through it real quick and I'm

like, got to keep this algorithm going

good.

>> Or you text me a Bigfoot AI thing.

[laughter]

>> Bigfoot buds are so silly.

>> They're so bad.

>> They're so silly. You actually texted me

the Bigfoot one.

>> Well, it was the same [laughter] guy you

you said the same guy had texted you

back. I was like, I don't think so,

dude. He's like, "This guy raised a baby

Bigfoot in [laughter] secrecy for 10

years."

>> So bad.

>> It's so bad.

>> It's so obvious. It's like a shitty AI

photograph of like like a blurry

Polaroid photograph.

>> And then you [snorts] read the comments

and there's like 400 people going like,

"Oh my god, I can't believe this

happened." And you're like, "Come on."

>> Oh, dude. Duncan and I um back in the

day like in 2012 or 11, whatever it was

when I did that sci-fi show, Joe Rogan

Questions Everything, we went and hung

out with Bigfoot people, we we actually

went Bigfoot hunting. No way.

>> Oh, yeah. We hung Yeah. We were with

them for a couple days in the woods, the

Pacific Northwest. [sighs and gasps]

>> It's kind of sad.

>> Yeah,

>> cuz the way I describe it, I would said,

"Here's what you don't find when you go

looking for Bigfoot."

>> Black people. You're more likely to find

Bigfoot than you are black people

looking for Bigfoot.

>> It's just such a crazy white guy.

[ __ ] white guys [laughter] out in

the woods staring at shadows. It's

>> like making something out of nothing,

right? Like look at that leaf. It must

have been here.

>> It's just unfuckable guys. [laughter]

It's really what it is. It's it's

unfortunately that's really what it is.

It's not that there's not something to

the story because I think there is

something to the story. I think it's an

old story.

>> Well, it dates all the way back to

Native Americans, right?

>> Well, not just that. There's how many we

we looked this up before like how many

different names there are in I think it

was more than 50 different Native

American seen this.

>> Yeah, [laughter] that looks great.

>> This guy was dead, baby. By the way, you

imagine sitting that close to that

thing, how bad that would smell.

>> Yeah, it's revolting.

>> I mean, that thing's been dead for who

knows how long and this guy's just

hanging out. Yeah, I take a picture. How

do I look?

>> Side [snorts] fun fact, this guy was on

your mom's house like 12 years ago.

>> Was he?

>> Yeah. For what?

>> Is he like a fun guy on Instagram as a

dog trainer?

>> That's hilarious.

>> They Tom found his videos a long time

ago and they brought him in to do a

podcast with him and I just told public

I know who this guy is.

>> No way.

>> I don't know why I got into Bigfoot.

[laughter]

>> He has Bigfoot's body. So two of them.

>> How bad that looks.

>> It's [laughter] so bad, dude.

>> Oh my god. Look at these.

>> Look at that.

>> Oh, look at [laughter] the smile.

I mean, he's [laughter] he could be just

a full on satirical troll, which

>> Oh, HE'S SAWING INTO IT.

>> LOOK AT THIS. It's a cake. It's

[laughter] going to be like

>> It's a cake.

>> Oh my god. He sawed into it. Open it up,

Tom. Oh, he found a foot.

>> Oh yeah. Very real looking.

>> Very real looking foot.

>> Also, if you can't trust a guy in

overalls with no shirt, who can you

trust?

>> By the way, guy's in great shape for his

age.

>> He is.

>> Looks looks ripped.

>> He's out there lifting up fake big foots

all day.

>> Things [laughter] are heavy.

I think there was I mean obviously we

know that Gigantoopycus was real but we

were reading about this the other day

that it seems like Gigantopithecus

wasn't bipedal and that there was some

dispute as to whether or not it was

bipeedal but apparently there are some

biologists that are saying no it was

most likely walked around like an

orangutan huge

>> just just oh wow

>> just a huge orangutan looking thing

>> huh no I I've heard of it I didn't know

that it wasn't bipedal though that's

fascinating

>> I think it's under dispute. I think I

think it's been disputed. That's

interesting. It's hard to say. They

don't have a lot of bones, right? They

only have like a few jawbones and some

stuff like

>> of them. Yeah, dude. I learned something

pretty interesting this last week. So, I

uh I just got back from India. Literally

flew in here from India and um we were

doing some elephant rescues uh with

Ventara, that big uh Indian wildlife

rescue place. Um this elephant got hit

by a car that we went and rescued. So,

its leg was all jacked up. Speaking of

non-bipedal things. So, you would think

just the elephant would walk with a

limp. Well, having that trunk, it's

incredible. They use that trunk as a

limb. So, I was watching this elephant

walk. I wish I had photos or video to

show you, but I was watching this

elephant walk and it wouldn't put weight

on its leg that was hit by the car. So,

it would walk with three legs and its

trunk as its fourth appendage.

>> Oh, wow.

>> Which is an amazing thing to see cuz you

think of the size of an elephant's

cranium and its head and the weight. And

in order to move that distribution off

of that broken leg, it was using this

trunk as a limb. It was just, it was

incredible. It was really sad, but it

was incredible thing to see the way they

sort of figured out how to maneuver

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people to set its leg?

>> So in in India,

>> was it broken?

>> I don't know. It went So we went to

basically so I work at this place called

Ventara, which is the world's largest

wildlife rescue and rehab center. It's

unreal, dude. It would blow your mind. I

mean like on a whole another level. all

privately funded by Anad Ambani, this uh

Indian billionaire guy, the guy who had

the huge wedding, if you remember that

at Justin Bieber singing at [laughter]

his wedding and stuff. He's a great

dude. Him and I are buddies now. But um

so [clears throat] he's funded this

world's largest wildlife rescue and

rehab. It like it makes a San Diego zoo

look like a roadside attraction. I mean,

it's like crazy big. And so he does all

these rescues, right? So the reason I'm

telling you all this is they go and

respond to these rescues and then take

it into this gigantic world's biggest

animal hospital that they've built. So,

we went and rescued the elephant and now

it's probably by today back in Ventara.

Yeah. Here you go. And and they'll be

treating it. So, this is long toy. This

is the other one. We did two rescues.

This one was born with um spplay legs

and then went into logging and so all

the weight and stuff from logging. See?

See the spllay legs [snorts] on the

front there?

>> Ouch.

>> Yeah. So, anyway, that was just

incredible. But uh the short answer is

they do let people treat them because

these animals are raised by in captivity

by what's called mahoots which are

elephant riders.

>> And it's a really the whole dynamic is

really fascinating. So you grow up with

an elephant as a mahoot in Indian

culture and then there's usually one or

two mahoots that spend their life

dedicated to the elephant and all they

do is ride them, log them. They use them

as tools but they still love them very

much. It's just they use them as a tool.

Elephants obviously aren't made to do

that. So they break down over time.

>> So that's why its legs are like that.

It's from carrying the amount of weight

that comes from logging.

>> So that one would have been born with a

deformity. Okay.

>> But then years of compounded weight and

everything else makes its legs like

that.

>> Oh,

>> it's crazy. And then Yeah. So we go and

we take the elephants in plus the

Mahoots and take them all back to

Ventara. Give the Mahoots a full-time

job. These guys are sleeping on

mattresses on the floor, right? And then

take them back and it's a whole thing.

Reform everybody. It's amazing thing.

Yeah.

>> Oh wow. So when they treat the

elephants, like what what do they do for

an elephant that has a broken leg?

>> So most of it's just pain management,

right? Because you can only get so far.

So the one that got hit by

>> you set them in a cast.

>> Uh not really. No, you know, it depend I

guess it depends on the fracture. I'm

not a vet, but I guess it depends on the

fracture. But what they do is they have

and Jamie, you might be able to see it.

It's incredible. They have this giant

jacuzzi. Like imagine a jacuzzi the size

of your building here for elephants and

it's their hydrotherapy pool. So these

animals that have terrible arthritis or

[ __ ] up feet or bad legs like that,

they just spend all day in the water

because then there's no weight on their

limbs.

>> Oh wow.

>> Which is really cool.

>> Do they have medication like

anti-inflammatories for elephants?

>> Everything, man. This place uses

unbelievable.

Um, Eastern medicine, Western medicine,

this crazy hospital. There's a lot of

guys talking on their Instagram,

unfortunately. But

>> this one's got a prosthetic leg.

>> Yeah. Look at that. Isn't that crazy? So

they do these amazing mine. Oh [ __ ]

man.

>> But yeah, it's a really really cool

place. Um, and we get to do some fun

stuff. So I was I was really privileged

to be part of those elephant rescues.

It's really emotional when you see an

animal like an elephant that has so much

like intelligence look you in the eye

and be like, I'm in so much pain and

then you like start to relieve it. It's

cool.

>> I um went to visit this uh place in

Thailand a few years back that has wild

elephants. So they're wild elephants,

but you you can ride them and that you

feed them. So you make you have you make

friends with them first. Like you feed

them sugar cane, you hang out with them,

you pet them and

>> and then they let you ride them and they

put their arm out like this like go

ahead.

>> Yeah. To walk up to

>> Come on, go ahead. So it lets you know

like, okay.

>> I didn't like the riding part. It felt

wrong to me. Just like it's a thing that

like all the tourists did, but my family

wanted to do it, so I said okay.

>> Yeah.

>> But it's okay. But the animals

themselves are so sweet. Yeah, they're

like when you're hanging around with

them. They're like they're so one of

them I I got a video of it on my

Instagram.

>> She was just like eating a log.

>> She kept chewing on this log and I'm

just hanging out with her and I made

this like video with me. I'm like she's

eating a log. I don't know why she's

eating this log but

>> she's really sweet.

>> But it wasn't um

>> it was it was a weird it's a weird

relationship that they have. And then

you wash them at the end of the trip.

Yeah. So you get them in the they get in

this pool, this big pond, and you could

just wash them and hang out with them

and they like it that you do that. So it

feels good to them and they're like,

"Thank you." Well, no, thank you for

carrying me.

>> There's good and bads. Like I mean

elephants have been used through

history, right? In war, in logging, in

circuses, everything else. But now I

would say in the last 20 years we're

finally sort of waking up to hey a

lifetime of being on an elephant's back

like you can see the deformities, you

can see the bed sores, you can see the

hip displac or hip issues

>> from carrying people carrying people.

>> They're just not designed for it. You

know they look you think they are when

you look at them and you're like what

could have you know we're like an ant on

that thing's back but it it's pretty

hard on them. And the hardest part is

actually not you or I or anybody riding

them. It's walking on concrete.

>> Oh,

>> cuz elephants have these soft padded

feet. They're not designed for rock hard

ground. So, the impact of walking on

pavement is actually that compounding

with weight added weight. That's what's

actually so bad for them.

>> I bet the heat of the com the asphalt

too. Dogs like dogs hate the heat of

asphalt. It's horrible for them.

>> And the weirdest thing about an elephant

foot, if you look at its anatomy,

they're one of the few animals that walk

on their toes. So, they don't have toes

splitting out like we do. They walk on

top of their toes. So that, you know,

imagine that compounding on heat plus

weight.

>> Um,

>> I got a good closeup, I guess, to

>> weird. It's a weird animal.

>> Yeah, they're cool.

>> Isn't it cool that they thought that

that's what a cyclops was when they

found the skull?

>> Yeah, because the skull. Yeah,

>> that's why they thought cyclopses were a

real thing.

>> Dude, have you ever seen Have you ever

been to the Explorers Club in New York

City?

>> No.

>> That's worth a visit. You would love it.

They have the Champuata tiger there.

Like the most famous maneating tigers.

Well, that's the one that killed like

476 people.

>> Is that what the number something crazy?

>> I actually have it on my YouTube and I

don't remember the name. Uh,

>> it's more than 400 people, right?

>> It's crazy. And then Jim Corbett went

and shot it. Yeah. And he almost named

my son Corbett cuz I love that story so

much. But, um, but they have the only

four tusked elephant at the Explorers

Club in New York City.

>> Whoa.

>> I'm sure Jamie, you could find a picture

of the skull. Nobody knows why. Total

anomaly. Nobody's ever seen it. Nobody

knows why. I think it's the only one in

existence. And it literally has four

tusks coming out of it.

>> Just a weird genetic thing,

>> I think. So, like that sple-legged one

we look

>> sometimes with elk um they'll get an

injury when they're young and then

they'll get weird deformities of their

their antlers.

>> But is that different because they shed

their antlers every year? So, they grow

back in weird ways. I don't

>> That's a good question. I think it's um

an injury to the the skull.

>> Yeah.

>> So, an injury to like the area where the

antler is. Like sometimes they'll just

have one sword.

>> Yeah. Like um there was a a ranch that

uh in California that had this one elk

that was killing all the other elk

because uh he didn't have antlers the

same way. Oh, they got a yeti scout.

[laughter]

Where'd you find that, Jamie?

>> 11 interesting things you can see there.

Oh, the explorers.

>> Oh, interesting.

>> Oh, I'm sure that's legit. [laughter] Um

so this uh one elk had uh on one side he

had like normal antlers,

>> but the other side he just had a spear.

>> Oh, wow. And so he was just stabbing all

these other elk. The [ __ ] is this guy

doing? Because he wasn't like they're

used to their antlers interlocking, of

course. And this is the thing. They get

together and they clash and they try to

impress the ladies. Well,

>> there he is. The tusks. That's cool.

>> That's so weird.

>> Very weird. Four. And they're they're

like weird. The way they're inter

they're going towards each other is

weird.

>> Which makes you realize it's a genetic

deformity, right? Cuz it's not like this

perfect symmetrical like nature made it.

It's it's just it's a mutation of some

kind.

>> Well, that's what's weird about genes,

right? Like things go wonky all the

time. Someone's born with an extra arm.

You're like, "Okay."

>> Yeah. Sometimes people are born with

tails and you're like, "Oh, [laughter]

>> so so weird."

>> Dude, you you and I talked about

Barbaruso one time, the the pigs that

have those crazy

>> Yeah. they go into their own skulls.

>> My buddy who's a vet, he just cut a horn

out of a sable sable antelope that was

growing into its own skull.

>> Oh god,

>> it's I have a video of it on my

Instagram, Jamie, if you want to see it.

But it's um it so it got an injury so it

killed part of the horn. And you know

they're antelope they're not deer so

they don't shed their horns so they grow

forever. So this guy had this giant horn

just circling back punching into its own

skull.

>> Can you imagine that dude? It was

gnarly.

>> The pigs are nuts though. Or what

whatever that animal's called.

>> The babarusa.

>> Is it a pig? It's technically a pig.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's like a Indonesian

warthog. Yeah.

>> But the way it goes into its own skull

no matter what. Like it always happens.

>> Yeah. cuz they have to fight and break

them off. And if they don't fight and

break them off, they just [laughter]

It's just nature's so weird, man. Yeah.

>> I mean, that is [ __ ] crazy.

>> They're so cool.

>> I wonder what those things taste like.

>> I bet they taste great. I think all the

swine tastes great.

>> I had havalina, which is not technically

a swine. It's a peckery.

>> Uhhuh.

>> It wasn't that good.

>> Not good.

>> No. [clears throat]

>> Huh. That's unfortunate.

>> It's odd.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's like Oh, no. Just not the

best. Like, well, you got to think of

what they're eating. They, you know, for

what I know about Haval, they eat

garbage primarily.

>> Yeah. I think that's part of the problem

because like that's the case with uh

bears,

>> right? Like uh my friend Steve Reanella

um cooked uh a bear steak

>> or a bear ham on his friend's uh smoker

>> and he said to his friend, he said,

"Hey, uh you should probably clean that

smoker. It smells like fish." And he

goes, "I've never cooked fish in that

smoker once."

>> And it was just from the bear. The bear

had eaten so much fish that as he was

smoking the bear, all you could smell

was fish.

>> That's disgusting. It's like eating a

seagull.

>> Whoa, look at this one. It's going right

into its head.

>> That's the guy. Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

>> Wow. That's nuts.

>> And it's Yeah, he like cuts the horn off

and you can see cuz the horn's a living

thing. There's only

>> How is that animal still alive?

>> Barely. Like they he had millimeters of

growth to go before it punched right

into his brain.

>> That's crazy.

>> Isn't that gnarly?

>> That's so gnarly. It's like digging and

imagine that like every day just a tiny

little amount more is growing into your

brain.

>> It's got to be this constant pain where

like it just it just gets tiny bit worse

all the time

>> sawing through it.

>> See how much into the skull it went like

it was right there.

>> That's crazy, man.

>> So gross. I thought you'd like that.

[laughter]

>> I don't know what that says about me.

You thought that I would like that.

>> I don't know.

>> That is gnarly, man. [laughter]

>> That poor dude. Now he doesn't have any

antlers. Yep.

>> Or horns, right? Is it technically

horns?

>> Horns. Yeah, but he's still got a brain,

so that helps.

>> Well, carry on, bro.

>> Yeah, [laughter]

>> nature's a [ __ ] dude.

>> Dude, it's crazy.

>> Um, where's the thyloine, man? What's

going on?

>> It's gone pretty cold, dude. Really?

>> Yeah. I mean, Damn it. I was hoping

you'd come in with new evidence.

>> I wish I was. There's a group that I've

I've been working with like called

Mammal Watching, like if you heard of

bird watching, and they've been going

into Western Pap and Papua New Guinea,

which is, as you know, where I think

there could still be a tiny population.

>> And uh so I'm working with them. They're

giving trail cameras out to guys.

They're still hearing legends here and

there, but it's just I don't know. It's

It feels like the legends are getting

fewer and further between, like almost

over generational time,

>> it's disappearing, if that makes sense.

>> Oh, that's a bad sign.

>> Yeah. That means whatever's left is

probably dying off, right?

>> If at all. Yeah. And I mean, I still

hold out hope. It's something I've

always wanted to be and I like I want it

to be there, but it just it feels like

those bits of evidence that were

compounding have all sort of started to

fade.

>> That sucks.

>> I know. Really?

>> It is a very interesting thing with the

incredible variety of wildlife that we

have that we're so fascinated by the

ones that might not be alive. this the

like the things like the thyloine or the

giant sloth.

>> Yeah.

>> Like I I remember I watched this

documentary

>> on the giant sloth. There was this one

>> scientist, this biologist who had spent

an inordinate amount of time, like years

in in the [clears throat] Amazon looking

for a giant sloth and was realizing at

some point in time during the

documentary that he might have ruined

his career,

>> overdoing it. Yeah.

>> Because he might have been chasing

something that doesn't exist. And it's

this wild gamble if he listens to these

people and they're telling him the

truth, right? Because all the natives

like, "Oh yeah, bro. They're out here."

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Right around the next turn.

>> You'll We'll find them tomorrow. Yeah.

>> Right over the next mountain. Yeah. I've

been there. But you know, if you don't

follow those leads, like do you know

what the Sa is? The Asian unicorn.

>> I've heard that. Yeah.

>> It same thing. Same story, but real

animal. And you know, there was there

was basically one ever seen by Western

science, an animal named Martha. And for

years, scientists, Western scientists

were going into Vietnam and Laos and

they're going, "Yeah, yeah, we we have

this thing called the salo, the Asian

unicorn." and they're like, "Shut up."

You know, and then all of a sudden turns

out here's this giant bovid that still

exists.

>> What a cool looking animal, too.

>> Yeah. And nobody knows whether they

still exist now or not. Is

>> that it right there?

>> That's it. Yeah. So, basically, there's

been three or four, maybe more that have

ever been seen. Um, most of them caught

in poacher snares like this one. But

then really cool guy named Bill Robad

got a call once from a prince and he had

caught one and it was in his village and

he flew in there and overnight the poor

thing died. And that was the only time a

single westerner in history has ever

seen a live salah.

>> Oh wow.

>> And this guy had it and then and then

he's like, "Can we please preserve it?"

And the king was like, "Nah, we're gonna

eat it." And they ate it.

>> Whoa.

>> Got nothing out of it. Yeah. He's got

pictures and stuff, so you know it's all

it's all real. But they call it the

unicorn because its horns are so

symmetrical that when you look at it

from a side profile, it looks like one

horn coming out of its head.

>> Oh, like that.

>> Exactly. Yeah.

>> That's weird.

>> Yeah. They're very cool. But it's a

boit. It's a It's a cattle. That's

That's not one. I don't know why they're

using that photo.

>> Oh, how odd.

>> Yeah, but that's the same thing as

these, you know, these things around

giant sloths and and thyloine and

Bigfoot and everything else. It's it's

they are out there, you know, some of

them, not all of them, but they are out

there. And if you don't follow the lead,

if you ignore it, then you miss things

like that. Well, there's also like when

you look think about things like the

Amazon, like if you ever see footage of

the Amazon from above, you go, "Oh,

there's no way you know.

>> It's so big."

>> You you look down and you go, "Oh, well,

well, there's no way, you know, this is

this is way too big." And there's no way

there's bunch of people scouring every

inch of that place.

>> I mean, given there are still groups of

human beings unconted, you know?

>> Oh, a lot. Like my friend Paul Rosley.

Yeah, I know. Yeah. He's come in contact

with them multiple times. See if you can

get some aerial footage of flying over

the Amazon. I mean, it's it's in

multiple countries. It's what is it?

Peru, Bolivia, where else? Brazil,

>> Argentina. It's

big.

>> It's huge.

>> It's so [ __ ] big.

>> And I had a similar experience in New

Guinea talking about thyloine where we

got on a plane in a place called Tufi

and flew to another area.

>> Like look at this.

>> It was just like this for 4 hours. We

didn't see one building.

>> Amazon in 4K. So just imag like there is

no [ __ ] way you know you know what's

in there.

>> No way.

>> There's probably a bunch of [ __ ] in

there that no one has found.

>> And then there Oh, undeniably there are.

Um and then there's stuff you know like

you'll get a kick out of this. Loch Ness

monster.

>> What do you think it is?

>> Maybe a sturgeon or something like that.

>> Jamie, what do you think the Loch Ness

monster is?

>> Don't [clears throat] I mean I think

they know, but I don't know. Uh pro I

don't know.

>> Whale dick.

>> What?

>> Whale dick.

>> Whale dick.

>> Whale dick. [laughter] Not a narwhal.

Pull it up. Loch nest monster versus

whale dick. Look at this. And tell me

this isn't what they think is the Loch

nest.

>> Wait a minute. Do you mean like the

photos that the the hoax photo of the

one that's poking out of the water?

>> That one. [snorts] I mean, you'll see it

in a second here, I think. But there are

these photos of a whale's penis compared

to the Loch Ness monster.

>> And I mean, I that's certainly not

proof, but it kind of answers a lot of

like that's a whale dick right there.

>> That is a whale dick. That photo I'm

pretty sure is a proven hoax.

>> That one is.

>> Yeah. I think that photo was like a guy

like made something out of wood and like

floated it in the water and took a

picture. Is that what the story behind

that is?

>> There's something along those lines.

[clears throat]

>> No. Loch Ness Monster isn't a whale

penis. Professor says

>> Oh, okay. [laughter] Well, the if the

internet professor says it then

>> Oh, a professor.

>> Oh, well, let's take him seriously. He's

out there.

>> There's no whales there. If you're the

type of professor that they call upon

when they're trying to figure out if

something's a whale dick,

>> maybe.

>> Sir, would you please study these nine

whale penis and tell us your thoughts on

this?

>> Maybe that's what happened to that.

What?

>> It was his claim and then he said he was

just like kind of messing around.

>> Well, I'm sticking with it. I like it. I

like the whale.

>> He's the one the guy that proposed it.

>> Oh. Oh, [laughter]

>> darn it. I like it.

>> He since walked back his salacious

claim. That's so funny. Maybe that's the

guy that was looking for the the giant

sloth.

>> He's like, I need a new angle.

[laughter]

>> This giant sloth thing did not pan out.

>> I like it. Big D.

>> If you're if you're a guy looking for a

giant sloth in the Amazon, like where do

you look? Like how good luck finding it.

>> You have to find geographically isolated

areas, you know, because they're little

pockets, right? If little pockets of

okay, people aren't coming in here,

animals aren't going out, there's a big

ring of mountains, there's whatever it

happens to be. I I I met a guy who said

he guaranteed he knew, you know, all

these people like this, but I I always

enjoy the story of it that there was

this pocket in Peru that was completely

geographically isolated by the mountains

and that's where they were. And the idea

is that these areas remain unchanged,

right? It's like an island basically in

the Amazon. Like things just don't

change because it's so isolated from

everything else. Well, I think the idea

also is that giant sloths were where we

know they existed in North America that

um whenever whatever happened that ended

the ice age, the younger dest

at the equator was more of a northern

hemisphere thing.

>> Yeah. Because the climate shift was so

much stronger.

>> Exactly. And

>> so the most of the animals that died

off, if you look at like the I think it

was 65% of North American megapa died

off during this very short window.

>> Yep.

>> That that didn't happen right in South

America, right? And that we're just

guessing that they're dead.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, because if there was a healthy

like think how many tigers are there in

the wild? I think there's 5,000.

>> Uh something like that. Yeah. It's gone

way up by the way. Used it was down to

400. Fun fact, more tigers in captivity

in Texas.

>> I know.

>> Than there are in all of the wild of the

world.

>> It's [laughter]

>> Texas crazy, man. It's such a wild

>> in people's yards.

>> Yeah.

>> In private collections in Texas, there's

more tigers than all of the wild of the

world.

>> It's such an insane statement that

should not exist.

>> I love the state. [laughter]

>> It's just my favorite place.

>> Get away with it.

>> It's just a wild place. Like for all

intents and purposes. Yeah. Oh, it's

hilarious. Um,

>> wild for people,

>> dude. I love Texas. Every time I come to

Texas, I'm like, "This place is great. I

always have fun. Everybody's so nice,

too."

>> Exactly.

>> That's the best part is like nobody

scowls at you. You get in the elevator

and they're like, "Hey, how's your day

going?" And you're like,

>> "Very friendly.

>> I'll tell you how it's going." very um a

lot of people, especially coastal

elites, I would like to say, like people

coastal snobs, they have this idea of it

being like filled with rednecks and

ignorant people and foolish people. It's

>> not that way at all. Especially Austin.

Austin is like one of the most like

liberal, easygoing, progressive cities.

>> Yeah.

>> But like even the progressives here,

they're like more reasonable.

>> It's like down to earth. Yeah. Like

extremism, right?

>> Well, they they're definitely more crazy

than they were 20 years ago when I first

started coming here.

>> Okay.

>> But way less crazy than like liberals in

LA.

>> Yeah.

>> Or liberals in Cal or liberals in New

York.

>> Just where they're where it's just

extreme, right? Like protests and all

these Yeah.

>> Well, it's like this there's a saying

about Austin, keep Austin weird and

surrounded

>> and surrounded. What is the and

surrounded?

>> Surrounded by red people. like it's all

red states around you and it's this

pocket of blue that's in the center of

this red state. I think that's good for

everybody. I think that's good. It's a

balance and like the the liberals that

want to turn Texas blue like don't

>> you're going to ruin it. You're going to

ruin it for you too. You don't get it.

Like balance is important. It's like you

can't kill all the predators because

then the deer get overrun and you you're

hitting them with cars and you can't

kill all the deer cuz then there's no

food and I mean that's what they did

when they were market hunting. Balance

and you need balance with humans too

>> 100%.

>> And the Austin balance is a great

balance. It's a liberal city surrounded

by like hardcore Republicans with guns

and tigers

>> and it works. [laughter]

And it all works.

>> It works. It makes for nice people.

and a misunderstood mix.

>> It's interesting.

>> They have a very a distorted perception

of what Texas is, especially Austin.

>> Yeah. Well, how do you feel as a

California? I mean, you bounced around,

but as a California transplant, did you

bring your asai bowls and you're, you

know, you're like, I need all that

California stuff here?

>> What stuff?

>> I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

That's like, that's the thing, though,

right? Is like all the Californians

coming here and messing it up kind of

thing.

>> I was never one of those. So my what I

got out of California was the comedy

store and [clears throat] work.

>> Yeah.

>> And then jiujitsu. So like you get all

that here. Austin is arguably the

jiu-jitsu capital of the world right

now.

>> Really?

>> Oh yeah.

>> Oh, that's interesting. Is this where

the new league is based out of?

>> No, that's You mean the the UFC league?

Yeah.

>> No, that's in Vegas. They do that in

Vegas. Um because that's where the UFC's

headquarters are. But Austin has um

Kings World, which is uh Gordon Ryan's

place. He's got B team is out here. Uh

Shan Jra Hibro is out here. Okay.

>> Um there's a bunch of Gracie Baja

schools out here. There's multiple 10th

planet schools out here. It's like

there's an incredible amount of

jiu-jitsu out here.

>> So what I'm hearing is this is where to

bring Run Nation. Bring it to Austin.

[laughter]

>> Don't eat that. They'll never win. The

only people that are going to win are

those wild New Zealand dudes and those

Australian [laughter] guys. Those guys

will win every time. They're built for

that [ __ ] No, but it's uh it's just a

great city, period. Artistically, it's

always been like a great music city.

Now, it's arguably the comedy capital of

the country. Like, I mean, there's so

many comedians here now, right?

>> It's because they got here and they

went, "Oh, this is way better. There's

no traffic. Everyone's nice."

>> Yeah.

>> And and you can do whatever you want.

And also, there's a lot of places to do

comedy. And just on my street where my

club is, there's five or six other clubs

that have opened up since we opened up.

>> Oh, wow.

>> So, it's incredible. So, if you're a

young comic and you or an established

comic that just wants to work out

material, you could go go to my club.

You can hop down the street to the

Sunset Room, which is my friend Brian's

Club, right down the street, and you can

go down the street to the Creek in the

Cave. An amazing club that's just two

seconds away. Oh, cool.

>> It's like one block over. Like,

everything's close. The Vulcan, which is

right there. Everything's right there.

>> Huh.

>> It's incredible. It's incredible.

>> It's great. I'm glad you're so stoked

here. I love I remember when uh the

first maybe the second time we hung out

down at your show in uh not West Lake,

where was it? Woodland Hills, right? And

you were like, "Dude, I gotta get out of

here." [laughter]

>> Yeah. I wanted to I wanted to get out a

long time ago. Yeah. And fun fact,

>> we started the podcast because I was

depressed cuz I had to move back from

Colorado.

>> Oh, really? So, I lived in Colorado for

a little bit, but my wife got pregnant

and when she was pregnant, it was like

if you are an altitude, we were at 8,500

ft above sea level, it's rough.

>> And we went back to LA for a short

period of time and she was fine. And

then we went back to Colorado and she

was sick again. I was like, okay. And

then we were reading about low birth

weight, premature birth. is a lot of

like really bad things that happen to

people, especially if you're not

acclimated and you move to these high

altitude areas.

>> By the way,

>> working out there, when I worked out

there, I I was I thought I was going to

die and then [laughter]

um I uh went to uh Philadelphia and I

had to do some gigs in Philadelphia and

I worked out and I felt like I could run

through a wall.

>> You just had so much oxygen in your

body.

>> So much. I was like, "This is

incredible." It's the only time in my

life I've ever been altitude adjusted

like where my my body had adapted and I

was like there's a ma this is a massive

advantage. No wonder why fighters do it.

>> And you don't acclimate being up at that

height over months or anything else.

>> Oh, I did. I certainly did. Like I could

work out there and I I used to uh I did

jiu-jitsu in Boulder. So Boulder was I

was in a place called Gold Hill which is

8,500 ft above sea level and Boulder is

like 55.

>> Okay. So I was doing shout out to Amal

Eastston, my friend Amal. He was a

jiu-jitsu gym in Boulder. Great place.

And when I was training there, it was

fine. I mean, you train, but you

definitely could feel it. It was And I

had trained there once before

>> when uh I had come from LA, and I was

like, "Woo, this altitude is rough."

Like, it's like working out in Denver.

You're like, "Woo, you feel it,

>> but not like you feel it at 8,500 ft."

8,500 feet was I do this

>> these uh kettle bell workouts. And I was

doing it and I I'm I'm used to what it

does. I'm used to and I was like this is

crazy. This feels like I'm drunk.

[laughter]

>> It really felt like I drank a bottle of

whiskey and tried to work out. I was so

tired.

>> I went to the Himalayas like maybe four

or five years ago to look for red pandas

up in the trees. You know, those cute

little guys. And uh day one I I

literally maybe made it 400 ft and then

had to sit down. And I was like, "All

right, we're trekking for pandas. We're

heading up into the mountains. We'll

find these pandas." And I I just I don't

remember what the elevation was, but I'd

come from Santa Barbara, where I live,

which is sea level, to this high

Himalayas. And I I had to sit down like

every 15 minutes for the first couple

days.

>> The most horrifying video the other day

>> of this guy who was on one of those um

summit hikes

>> and slipped.

>> Oh no. His friends watched him slide

>> like all the way down to

>> just sliding

>> down ice and snow and couldn't stop and

couldn't and they just had to stand

there and watch this guy slide away.

>> What can you do?

>> Nothing.

>> That's so crazy.

>> D Yeah.

>> Yeah. He was trying He was making it to

the summit

>> and slipped.

>> Yeah. It's brutal.

slipped off the, you know, just a very

clear path and slipped off of it and

just starts sliding

>> and you realize, oh, he's gone. He's

going to go off forever.

>> That's crazy.

>> Oh, it's horrible.

>> I always want to like take my kids to do

these things with me, you know, and I'm

like, ah, I want to take them to trek

and see the mountains and catch

crocodiles and do all these various

things that I like to do. And you

realize it's like my six-year-old can

barely walk in a straight line without

falling down. You know what I mean?

Like, imagine taking him on a mountain

track. Oh, it's so scary. But on the

other the other hand, like you don't

want to protect them too much. You want

to expose them to a certain amount of

danger because I think it's good for

them. It's good for them%.

>> Yeah. It's good for them to experience.

It's also good for them to have like uh

a broader understanding of what the

world is, right? Like the world is a

bunch of different things. It's not just

Santa Monica. That's right.

>> Like, oh, there's Costa Rica. Like,

whoa, this is crazy. Look at these bugs.

These are nuts. Like birds. Like there's

it's nice for them. It's important. It's

it Yeah.

>> Because otherwise we live in a bubble.

Like America is great. I I say this to

my wife all the time. I'm so patriotic.

I love this country.

>> It's great. But it's a bubble.

>> Yeah.

>> Everything's easy. It's safe. You can

order [ __ ] on your phone. It shows up at

your house. You know, there's a million

restaurants to pick from. Obviously, it

depends where you live, but you get my

point.

>> Yes.

>> And then you get out of here and it's

like,

>> "Okay, everything closes at 4 p.m. Like,

go figure out your food." You know what

I mean? And then you're like, "Okay,

well now I now I have two kids who are

hungry and we're in the jungle or it's,

you know, in a town that everything

shuts down on Sundays or whatever." It's

like, figure it out.

>> Those are important lessons for little

kids to be dynamic and figure out like

how the rest of the world works and that

they have to figure out how to get

things when it's not all just at the

touch of your, you know, phone.

>> Also to recognize that there's going to

be times where you don't have food.

>> Yeah. Like, yeah, people are just so

accustomed to having food anytime

they're hungry. And in fact, sometimes

when they're not even hungry, they're

just bored. So, they start stuffing

their face when they're bored, which

never existed in all of human history.

>> No. No, [laughter] dude. I just read,

you might be well read on this, but I

just read something interesting. The

8our night of sleep.

>> Yes.

>> Invented by a mattress company. You know

about this?

>> I didn't know it was invented by a

mattress company, but I do know that

traditionally in the past, people would

do two sleeps.

>> That's right. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> This was Yeah. So, you know about what

I'm talking about. I just read this

literally yesterday in one of my doom

scrolling things. But,

>> it's interesting because I did that a

lot when I was young where I would wake

up in the middle of the night and I just

decide to watch TV and do something for

TV for a few hours and then I go back to

sleep.

>> But it was just for me it was just like

being indulgent because I was single and

free and, you know, 25 years old and I

had my own apartment. I'm like, I can do

whatever the [ __ ] I want. Get up at 3:00

in the morning and watch TV for a couple

hours and go to sleep till noon. Why not

sit around in your boxers, eat cereal?

>> Mattress part is a myth.

>> Oh, it is.

>> God damn it. Everything I keep bringing

up is a myth, Jamie. No whale dicks, no

mattresses.

>> The killer of dreams all my stuff, man.

>> I saw the same Instagram video you guys

saw, and I thought it was interesting,

too.

>> Yeah,

>> that is the myth. [clears throat] I

think that might be a myth, but the two

I think the two sleep thing it was a way

that people would get up in the middle

of the night. But you also have to think

I think a lot of people went to bed way

earlier because it got dark

>> and we didn't have electricity

>> and there's a normal circadian rhythm

where people get it gets dark out. You

eat maybe hang out in front of a

campfire for a little while and then you

go to bed. Like

>> if you've ever gone camping, that's what

most people do. Most people don't stay

up till 4 in the morning when you're

camping.

>> Not without booze.

>> That if you've got booze, you might be

up late [laughter]

telling stories and laughing. And if

anybody breaks out a guitar, you're

[ __ ] Then you're up all night.

>> And you mentioned pandas. I was going to

ask you about a me and I had seen going

around the same places that pandas are

fake.

>> Dude, did you see the zoo in China?

>> There's a lot of people talking about

that.

>> Did you see the zoo in China that

painted the Pomeranians?

>> I did see that. But the thing is about

pandas is that I and I I went down a

rabbit hole with this the other night.

There were no depictions of pandas in

like ancient Chinese history.

>> No. Is that true?

>> Yeah, it is true. Yeah, they they didn't

show up until like God, I want to say it

was like the 16th century or 17th

century.

>> That's bizarre. I wonder why that is

cuz, you know, there were explorers

going through the area and all of that.

>> Well, the idea was that maybe they were

engineered to eat bamboo cuz bamboo, if

you think about it, is like a very

prolific print. Absolutely. Like I have

bamboo on my property. That [ __ ] just

grows like It's crazy how well it grows.

Grows so quickly.

>> And there's almost no nutritional value

in it either,

>> right?

>> Yeah. So, here's the panda. Okay.

Interesting. The claim is largely true

>> with nuance. So, was it what did you uh

search into perplexity? Our AI sponsor.

Is it true that pandas aren't in Chinese

ancient history? The claim is largely

true though with nuance. Okay. Giant

pandas strikingly absent from China's

classical cultural record. Unlike the

dragon, which is weird tiger cr by the

way, our conversation about it made it

to the view. I don't know if you

[laughter] know about that.

>> I texted you. I texted you. You you

changed your status to dragon believer.

It was so funny. When Joy Bay is like he

believes in dragons [laughter] like oh

my god this is wonderful.

>> That was so good.

>> Oh, this is so good.

>> Okay, so when did it happen? Unlike the

dragon tiger crane or tortoise doesn't

appear on ancient bronzes or pottery in

Tang poetry song paintings

Juan Y u how do you say that? beats me.

>> Juan drama, Ming novels or Q I N G King

Quing. Uh before the late 20th century,

it had essentially no symbolic role in

Chinese civilization. Its status as a

national treasure is a post 1949

invention.

>> That's bizarre.

>> After pandas became famous famous

globally in the 20th century, Chinese

scholars went back and combed old texts

looking for them. A few candidate

references exist. Uh the Xi Jing Book of

Odess and Shang Shu mention a creature

called Pi or Mo which some modern

scholars retroactively identified as the

panda but the identification is

contested and those same words were also

used for leopards. Ta taper you say it

taper. [clears throat] Yeah.

>> Tapier.

>> Mhm.

>> Or mythical beasts. Uh Emperor Wen of

Han se 2nd century B.C.E. reportedly had

a mo uh buried in his mother's tomb.

sometimes claimed as a panda.

>> Huh.

>> But that's it's weird.

>> That is very bizarre.

>> Fragmentaryary, ambiguous, and rare.

Nothing like the deep iconographic

tradition around dragons, phoenixes, or

tigers. Why the absence

>> Rogan style claim? [laughter]

>> I'VE NEVER EVEN SAID IT BEFORE. [ __ ]

YOU. HOW DARE YOU? PERPLEXITY.

[laughter]

>> That is so funny. It's a Rogan style

claim. I think it's on the podcast also.

>> It's listening right now

>> cuz I it sometimes they'll bring in

questions I've asked from like last

month and it'll be like are you and I'm

like no I didn't. This is a separate

search but it's like all locked into the

AI history.

>> Oh I I asked it a question once and it

said as you have previously stated.

>> No way.

>> I was like whoa

>> interesting.

>> I was trying to find out like how many

views something had gotten and you're

like as you've previously stated.

>> I told you. Yeah. [laughter] I was like,

you're using me as data? This is why AI

is so [ __ ] up. Like, you're trusting

me. I'm trusting you. Don't trust me at

all. I GET ALL MY information from you,

[laughter]

>> dude. That's so weird. I Cuz you wonder

cuz it's not like, you know, okay,

there's no mention of ducks. I get it

cuz there's ducks everywhere. Who cares,

right? Like, so why do we write about

them? But it's not something like that.

Aandas were never so abundant that it

was not worth talking about.

>> Yeah. see if where this theor who

invented this theory that they were

engineered to eat bamboo.

>> So who who did this engineering in this

theory?

>> Well, that's a question like who did

dogs, right? Why do we have dogs, right?

Which is really weird. You know, why why

I have a dog. He's a King Charles

Cavalier.

>> You know those little I do. They're very

adorable.

>> He's so cute. I love him to death. But

he and he's made an appearance on the

podcast.

>> Oh, nice. Um he's uh the furthest thing

from a wolf. Like as far as we've taken

a wolf Yeah. to make it so [ __ ]

adorable and cute. But that is what it

is. That was at one point in time a

wolf. And somehow or another we

engineered it down to a dog that's

adorable and just wants to cuddle with

you and sit in your lap and play

>> and weighs 25 pounds.

>> So what happened and how did we do that?

And could you do that with a bear? And

could you get a bear then take take that

bear and make it something? I think it's

the only bear that's a true herbivore as

well.

>> Yeah, I think that's correct. Yeah, true

bear. Yeah.

>> Weird. So, what have we done? Their

digestive tract. We changed

>> Yeah.

>> And they're require like it's like

koalas. I think they only eat

eucalyptus.

>> That's right. Yep.

>> [ __ ] weird.

>> Bizarre. Also has no nutritional value

and you probably know this makes them

like high basically. So I was looking up

who who did it and started going on the

thing that it's not no one is known for

the theory it's because they're actually

carnivores.

>> Oh, they're a tax. Oh, so so it's

koalas, I think, are the ones that are

pure herbivores.

>> They definitely are, but they're not

bears at all. They're marsupial. They

just call them koala bears.

>> I see. [snorts] So

>> when they say they are taxonomic

carnivores, that means taxonomically

they're in the order carnivora, if that

makes sense. So,

>> but it says with a short digestive tract

and gut microbiomes of a meat eater.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's interesting.

>> So, they're vegans,

>> but you could selectively breed for

anything to some degree if you had

enough time.

>> But look, but that's the other thing.

Like, why are they so cute?

>> That because they're so much cuter than

any other bear by far. Like that face

even with the teeth out like a

>> buddy. They also have the best PR

campaign in history. Like they're

they're the dumbest animals in the

world. You know this, right?

>> Really?

>> Oh my god. I don't know if that's the

right terminology, but like you can hand

a panda an apple and it will hand you

its baby.

>> I'm not joking, dude. [laughter] You can

find videos of this.

>> Well, isn't that more evidence that it's

raised, that it's been engineered

because it doesn't have the instincts

that a wild animal would have?

>> Dude, their parental instincts are

bonkers. Bonkers. [laughter] Like, they

will drop their baby and go for an

apple. That's how zookeepers take their

babies away. It's Dude, [laughter] it's

it's like these guys are trying to go

extinct. I swear to God, it's insane.

>> So, where did the theory come from? See

if you can find out where the theory

came from. That they were engineered to

eat bamboo.

>> That's why I asked that exact question.

It says it's just uh

>> it just started showing up on my

Instagram about 3 months ago.

>> Huh, dude. Instagram. You never know

what you're going to get.

>> Of course. [laughter] But that's what's