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>> Hi, come in.

>> [music]

>> Welcome to Fashion Neurosis RM.

>> Thank you for having me. Um it's my

pleasure and

it's really nice and comfy here.

>> Mhm.

>> [laughter]

>> Can you tell me what you're wearing

today and why you chose these particular

clothes?

>> So this is the

the new season of Prada. It's also my

one of my favorite brand.

And um

yeah, you know, leading by Raf Simons

and he's also my favorite.

And like to be honest, I'm really

uh these days I'm really counting on my

uh stylist, which is my friend.

>> Mhm.

>> Shout out to Kim. And um he recommended

this shirt because

uh usually I really like this kind of

like muted and bleached um

you know, like dyes from the um

like natural elements. So with this

color I feel really um natural and um

myself.

>> Yeah, it's such an important thing that

clothes

>> Yes.

>> they have the power to really free you

from self-consciousness.

>> Sometimes.

>> Mhm.

And you're the leader of BTS, one of the

biggest bands of all time, and you've

sold over 40 million albums, and you're

the only band since the Beatles to have

three number one albums in a year.

And you have a humility that's not

associated normally with pop music, and

I wondered why that's important to you.

>> Um

I I think I never um

had a wish like to be this big because

I always wanted to have, you know, like

such influence to

you know,

when you become an like a

an artist or a influencer, then

sometimes you really want to reach as

many as you can.

So,

when you

are

uh in the middle of

the pop music industry, particularly,

it's

it's really it feels really easy to be

just

um

interrupted and um to be

feeling like

you have to um make people happy and you

have to do the um

on the charts and

you're in the mainstream, so you should

keep your influence and impact by the

numbers

>> Mhm.

>> and stuff.

But,

um why I chose uh this thing

uh not [snorts] maybe it's not that I

chose

um

somebody

gave this thing to me and

if there's a reason,

then

as I have a belief that it should

be still um starting from the um

um like somewhere else, not like you're

trying to give people like something. It

should be

rooted from

um where you are right now and

what you are going through

uh

in your actual life and

the influences the inspirations uh

you're having from the life itself. So,

I think it's all about balance.

>> Mhm.

>> So, you know,

now

I'm in the uh middle of the pop

industry, so I have to keep the balance

like

try to keep the distance from the

numbers and impact itself

and

try to get close to the nature and

all those kind of things that are not

related to um

this

fast such a fast era.

>> Yeah. So, you can stay connected to the

idea that

is your inspiration.

>> Yes. Because as a young man, um

I'm I'm I'm 30 I'm 31 by the way. It is

really not that easy to be um

not to be interrupted by all those

shorts and reels and clips.

>> Yeah.

>> It makes me really nervous and um

keep me keep making me feel like I have

to do something like every day every

time I have to leave something. But it's

gone so fast.

So,

uh

I have a like a

I have my biggest fear uh for

um those waves coming through so fast.

>> My god, it's a real

mantle that you're wearing.

And

was fashion a thing in your home? And I

wondered if anyone in your family who

Was there anyone whose style influenced

you?

>> Um

my father wanted to be a um

wanted to be a

a like a cartoon artist. I don't know

what it is called in English. He wanted

to he wanted to draw cartoons. But um

at that time in Korea, it was people

were really poor and we got nothing. So,

my grandmother stopped him from um what

he really wanted to do.

>> Mhm.

>> And my mother was a teacher. And

so, I think my father had some

some such craving and ego for um

something else

except studies and

um jobs and stuff.

>> [snorts]

>> So, he was

all he was really quite supportive from

for um

what I was trying to do, which is music.

Yeah.

And my mother, she was really

always

um trying to give me the stability and

um

telling me not to challenge too much.

Just be in the safe zone. And

I was like a

like a small um

like a clock pin going back and forth um

with my father and mother. So, I think

I've learned the balance

from my parents.

And they were

um

they were such

um great parents

to me.

>> Cuz you've described um experiencing

Stendhal syndrome where looking at

certain works of art and feeling

overwhelmed by the intensity of what you

see. And I wondered if you'd ever had

those kind of intense and extreme

reactions to any fashion.

>> Um I still remember when I first um

looked at

the um clothes of Rick Owens.

>> Yeah.

>> And he was also in uh

fashion neurosis, I know, cuz I watched

it. And

um so, there was a store uh

in Seoul.

But, it's gone right now. Maybe because

of the COVID. But, I remember like in

2014

or 15 I've um

I got no money. I I couldn't afford any

piece of Rick, but I still remember

when I first entered the store of

um Rick Owens in Seoul.

So, there was a big sculpture of him, of

course.

And all those

like black waves and darkness of

um

his world and the silhouettes

they were really elegant and I think

that was

the first time that I felt got like such

like a

like a strong emotion for for clothes.

And I first realized that oh

a color called black

could be

various like this.

And I was

I got shocked.

>> [laughter]

>> That's such a great description cuz

he's just so evocative in

everything he does is so provocative and

also so

moving. Really isn't I I

Yeah, that must have been an amazing

experience.

>> I still love his clothes and um

of course his words.

One of my favorite quote from his

fashion neurosis was that you know, it

went viral like

maybe uh like the people who don't care

about fashion

it's just it's their

it's I mean fashion is not their

priorities and it could be hot.

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> I love that quote.

>> I know, he's he's so great. I I'm so

glad you enjoyed that. It was my first

He was my first guest.

>> And uh he was like a talisman, so

it's lovely that he comes back into our

conversation.

>> He's amazing.

>> And being visible for from such a young

age, how much of your identity do you

hide or reveal through what you wear?

>> I describe it as like um

a life of an undercover.

>> [laughter]

>> Um

it's like

you be a thief at night and

uh

acts like

a police officer at daytime.

In the daytime and uh

I think I had

a tough time for a long to just admit

it.

Because

when I was in my 20s, I thought that

I should have a like an edge and I

should be defined and described as this

like a one edge. But

as time um passed by and I got to

realize that

a human being and an identity could be

really it's always like so um

so much of a complex and complicated.

And

it was all about uh the contradictions

and um

dualities.

So

I'm still um fighting

with all those contradictions that how

much should I reveal myself

um to the others

to the public.

Or how much should I

hide

my

privacy or um

you know, like I'm still I'm still

figuring out like what to show and what

to hide.

>> Yeah.

>> But I think the best way to reveal your

real real things

is

the art itself. For me it's music. So

I'm trying to um reveal my

um bad things and demons I want to

spit out

uh

as music.

>> Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> I suppose that's what people can really

relate to as well cuz

there is no such thing as a completely

pure person. It's such a

comforting thing to hear

that described

in music.

>> Yes, it's amazing that, you know, when

we

when we see

um the great artists

their personal story

could be universal.

>> Mhm.

>> I think that's the beauty of an art.

Um

that when it comes to a painter, a

sculptor, or a fashion designer,

architect, novelist, musician

um their

personal histories and their

their ways of dealing with their own

trials and hardships in their lives

just

but

all we could witness is their

results.

>> Mhm.

>> And their final um

pieces of of their dice- digestion. And

I think that is so beautiful to watch

and I always wanted to be a someone like

that.

>> Well, you are. I mean, you seem

>> I'm trying.

>> Yeah, I suppose that is the most

the difference maker is that

we we try and it continue. You know,

that's the thing that drives us forward

and

and you come across as a very thoughtful

person and you cite a lot of literary

influences from writers like, including

George Orwell and Murakami and even Carl

Jung. And I wondered what was the first

book that changed your life?

>> I think um

>> [sighs]

>> well

just to add, I mean

I think I read much more when I was

younger.

And

all those social media

keeps making me um

not to read books.

It's It's getting really harder and

harder to watch cinemas and read books

these days because I feel like

bored sometimes. I I could watch the

movies on Netflix and we could always

stop. So, these days it sometimes it

it felt it feels like a luxury to go to

a theater and

make our phone

to an airplane mode.

And just to be just leaded by a

by a single director's intentions and

artistry.

It's a really really It's becoming more

rarer and rarer experience these days.

So,

I think my first book, like Stendhal

syndrome, was

for books I think it was Damian.

If If it's right by Hermann Hesse.

Yes.

And

um

because I think I discovered

um

the

uh

the essence [clears throat]

and the the reality of my um

um what do we call it? Like

like

like jealousy.

>> Oh, so interesting. Yeah.

>> Um

because you know, Damian

is being described like a perfect human

being, very um

ideal type of human being.

And the phrases the start was really

powerful, like

the about the bird and the egg

um about the Abraxas. So, I think I've

read it over like four five times.

>> Really? Gosh.

>> was young. I think I should read it

again.

>> Yeah, I want to read it now. You're

describing it. It's uh

>> It's It's It It felt It felt like a For

me, it felt like a school life at that

time. Um, the the the bad feelings and

like jealousy I have for um,

the kids, the friends I have in my

class. Like very tall, very handsome,

um, very smart, or like, you know, very

good at sports, who's always popular,

um, from the girls.

>> [laughter]

>> So, I I could reflect on my um, real

life if even though if I was a teenager

at that time.

Yeah, I don't remember [laughter] that.

>> It's such a good book to have found

because jealousy is can be such a

a thwarting and crushing feeling and

it's I I remember

my my shrink saying to me, I was talking

about feeling

how bad I felt to feel competitive with

someone. He said, "Well, you can treat

it as a game." And

and to to read something at that young

age, so kind of philosophical and also

that it's actually not that bad to feel

jealous. It's part of

finding out what you can handle. It

seems

an amazing book. How did you find that

book? It's

>> Um, it was

being treated like a classic, um, and

very very recommended by the parents and

teachers. So,

I think uh, my parents always, um, took

me to the city library every weekend.

And I think that's one of the best

things that, um,

a parent like parents could do to their

kids.

So, they just naturally gave me the

chan- chance to um reach

all those great answers and um

interesting results of the ancestors.

>> Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> God.

>> Yes.

>> Cuz you have the demeanor of a man with

the burden of the leadership and how to

use his power in a conscientious way,

and I

I wondered how do you deal with the

loneliness that comes with being a

leader?

>> Um it's still hard because

for because I was the first

um the member of the team, the band, and

um the label

did give me a lot of burden to

um put the team together as a team.

>> Mhm.

>> And

they had such different backgrounds from

different cities

and

different tastes, different dreams.

So, I think I was really um

like

uh like overwhelming or very like a

powerful type of

like bossy

type [laughter] of um leader mhm for the

first like 8 9 years.

But, as the team got bigger and they

have their own names and careers,

it just

didn't work out anymore. So,

of course, I mean, they grew up a lot

also.

So,

I after that I've changed the way to um

communicate um

and

I think a leader is

is just like this. For example,

everybody is on the lying on the couch

and

the window is open and it's too cold.

So, somebody has to close it.

But, nobody wants to because it's too

comfy here lying on the couch. It's so

annoying.

If a one single person has to stand up

and get off the couch and

walk a few steps to close the door, then

I think that's what a leader does

for every part of the team.

That's all.

>> That's a huge thing, isn't it?

>> It is a huge thing for some situations.

>> Mhm.

I suppose you

by getting up to close the window, you

risk losing your place on the cozy couch

and

>> [laughter]

>> it's

it is

the act of courage and confidence as

well.

>> So, [snorts] I think it's basically

really just annoying to be a leader, but

it's like

I just couldn't um

let anybody

um do it

because

I was like, if somebody has to do it,

then

it should be me and

um because I just can't watch somebody

else just doing it and if it's not

working out as I expected, then

I could be more stressed out. So, I

think that's why and

>> Yeah.

>> when they um

sometimes just tell me that I know your

efforts and um

I'm I'm really happy to

um

have a leader like you

and

all those stress

they're gone. So, that's the beauty of

the team.

>> Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> Well, you're clearly very good at it cuz

it's a

>> Yes, it's been uh 15 years I have been

living with them and

I spent

half of my life literally with

the six members. By the way, we have uh

seven members in the team.

>> [laughter]

>> Yes.

>> Usually it's four, so but we're seven.

>> Gosh.

>> The lucky number.

>> Yeah.

>> So, it's a lot.

>> All right. It's wonderful.

Cuz um for your solo album, Right Place,

Wrong Person, you worked with Wing Shya.

>> Yes.

>> The legendary stills photographer who

worked with Wong Kar-wai and um

his lighting techniques and framing,

they propose you as an ordinary

individual but clearly an exceptional

person and

in fashion, everyone's obsessed with In

the Mood for Love and it's such a

romantic, melancholy choice and

are those introspective moods somewhere

you feel comfortable?

>> Yeah, that's my

favorite album so far because that's my

most recent album.

>> Mhm.

>> But

uh thanks for noticing, by the way.

>> It's so beautiful, the photographs and

you

Sorry to interrupt you. Carry on.

>> Uh I was really trying to

get away from where I was

because

just by the excuse of that I'm too busy

just doing

my role and

um doing all those schedules.

I

just realized that uh

I'm too lazy these days for

taking stuff and studying all those

great um

art world outside and

when I was working on the album right

before the military

I just tried to get away as far as I

could

and

Wing Shya

was of course I um

everybody loves Wong Kar-wai's movies.

>> Mhm.

>> And it's really interesting that even

the the Gen Zs and

uh the Alphas

um there are lots of fans of Wong

Kar-wai still.

>> Mhm.

>> So, I think it

it's proving that he built such an um

like his own original world by himself.

And

all I focused was just to

be more chill and

not

be not too nervous all the times because

um

doing a being a leader of the team and

the pop industry, they gave me a lot,

but it also they they took many things

from me. So,

the one thing was that

I was always like like this like like

stuck in I'll have to do this very well.

I want to do this really good. I have to

do my best all the time.

>> Mhm.

>> So,

there was always some kind of tensions

um

in my whole life.

And I just tried I just tried to loosen

it. And

me and my team um thought that

um

Wong Kar-wai would be a like a wonderful

uh

artist who could lead me to another

world.

>> Wow.

>> Because he always captures the um

I think he has such like really

sensitive like setups for

um for those frames and um the objects.

But when he grabbed the camera, it feels

like he just

does it really rough and just [snorts]

in a second.

>> Really? Gosh.

>> Yes, so it was really um

new and a fresh experience for me to

work with him with a with a bald hair.

>> [laughter]

>> I mean, they're so

they're so

striking and

that picture of you in a pool of light

is just

it's like he's able to show more of you

than maybe you might care to reveal, you

know, with your

privacy, but he

to to see those pictures was very um

I felt felt that I learned something

more about you to look at them. There

was such a depth to them and uh

>> Oh, that's really wonderful to hear.

Thank you. You will You will also like

it.

>> I mean, it seemed like a meeting of

spirit and creative kind of

>> It was an old hotel um like dumped

>> Really? [clears throat]

>> Yes, and it's just I think it's just

being used uh like uh

like a place for location for shootings

these days because

I think it's on sale, the building.

>> Mhm.

>> But I think it's not sold yet. So, it

was really um

like a strange place.

Like back room.

>> Mhm. God.

>> So, I think he he's a veteran, so he

captured the um

maybe the blurry

concept or the thing that I wanted to

deliver by the in the name of tight it's

in the title of

um right place, wrong person.

>> Yeah.

>> Because I think in 2026

most of the people could think

themselves like that. Like when you are

in

in a company and you're like you feel

like you're the only wrong person. Am I

the only one who think like this or who

acts like this? I think everyone

may have an experience of I'm feeling

like

he or she is a wrong person in a right

place or

a right person in a wrong place.

>> Yeah.

Feeling the outsider is a thing you hear

a lot of people talking about.

>> In times of loneliness you said it's

it's get it's getting more connected and

connected by the phones and the media,

but

it's a contradiction that

um people with depression and loneliness

are getting

lot and lot these days.

>> Yeah.

It is.

And and you're constantly surprising in

your artistic references and I noticed

you had Kim Gordon's Bye Bye on

playing on one of your Instagram posts

and

I

I love that.

>> She's the I know she was also

uh

on fashion news show.

>> Yes, she was.

>> And I think she's the

everyone knows she's the coolest.

>> Mhm.

>> Um

um

grandmother in the world. [laughter]

>> I know,

she is.

>> I don't want to call her a grandma, but

it's

>> I think she's

>> She's the coolest.

>> She is.

Is there like cuz I love that her music,

that sort of punk music, that was my

generation and is

if I wanted to listen to a Korean singer

who embodied that kind of

crackle and tension and sort of thing

that she has, who would I

who would you recommend?

>> Really really strong and intense.

You should listen to

No Brain.

>> No Brain, okay.

>> all You could already feel

[clears throat] the

>> [laughter]

>> I get it already.

>> The band is called No Brain.

>> Yeah.

>> And um

I think the coolest

um grandfather who's still ongoing like

Kim Gordon

>> Mhm.

>> is

his name is

Ki- Kim Chang Wan

and he was also in a band called

Sanullim, which is translated as

the echoes of mountain. It's like Sonic

Youth of Kim Gordon.

>> Wow. Yeah.

>> I think is is it's it's very

psychedelic, but I think he's

truly one of the best Korean artist in

the history. So, I want to I would

recommend you

>> Yes.

>> No Brain and Kim Chang Wan.

>> Okay, I'm going to check them out.

That's exciting.

And you're interested in art and you

have a sophisticated taste in paintings

and sculpture. I read that you like

Philip Guston and Giacometti and and you

have an amazing collection in your home

mostly of Korean art and I wondered what

was the first piece of art that you knew

that you liked.

>> On tour, when you're doing a tour

sometimes

you just can't go out because there are

a lot of fans

>> Mhm.

>> and it's really hard to just just be on

your own. So, I was in 2018 I was really

really bored and I got nothing to do.

I didn't know anything except like

shopping or playing games in the room.

So,

I just it just suddenly popped up and

uh the a member of the team called V

just proposed me like why don't we go to

a museum?

And I was like, a museum?

I'm not a museum guy.

>> [laughter]

>> Isn't it just boring just just to go

there

and but we just went there

because we got nothing to do

and

I

saw the

the paintings of Monet and Van Gogh and

Seurat.

And

of course I I knew the names of them

because

I saw them

in

in the book

when I was in school.

So but it was

literally the first time to just have a

like physically

to

have a chance to look at the actual

paintings.

And um

I think impressionism is

is still the biggest

the most widest open entrance for all of

the

outside people

uh

in the art in the art world. So

>> Monet and Gogh and Seurat they opened me

the entrance.

>> And

um

as I got into it like further and

further more and more I just my taste

became a little bit more of a complex

and a complicated. So

Yeah um

Yeah that's how I just got into it.

>> Cuz in in the video you have a little

sculpture by Ugo Rondinone

>> Oh yeah.

>> which I love. I I once went to his house

in New York.

>> Oh.

>> And he had all these crazy sculptures

everywhere. It was really exciting.

>> I just

I just loved how he just added the

colors to the

rocks.

>> Yeah.

>> And so it just it twisted

um

you know art

helps you

make like make it widen for your

perception to the world. And after I saw

the

um colors of his frogs and stones, it I

think he gave me a twist of when I saw

when I also see the actual mountains and

rocks. So, I just love that.

>> Oh, that's great. Gosh.

Cuz he you talked about something called

airport fashion, and you said, "People

expect me always to wear something new."

And I wondered what your favorite

airport fashion is at the moment.

>> Um

>> [sighs and clears throat]

>> airport fashion

>> [laughter]

>> Such a good expression.

>> Yes. Uh as far as my favorite airport

fashion, um

I remember um

when I

firstly, I think it was like

12 years ago.

And like 2013

or 14.

And I got to know

uh [clears throat]

the the collective or the crew Odd

Future of Tyler, the Creator and Frank

Ocean or Sweatshirt. And I just got to

love their um vibes. And so I was not

very rich at that time. So,

all I could buy was the uh T-shirt of

Golf Wang. And it looked when I looked

at the picture of

those times, it's ridiculous because I'm

wearing like pink socks and uh the

donuts

for the T-shirt. I mean, but I I kind of

like it because

uh

it reminds me of the times that I was

really um

more pure and

>> [laughter]

>> and more younger and I just got to

realize that if you hate something too

much, then

you kind of like it.

>> Yes.

That's so so true.

>> really hate it, then you just got no

interest.

>> That's such a brilliant point. It's

always there's something in there, isn't

there? Yes.

>> So, it's ironically it's my favorite.

The pair socks.

>> Yeah.

And are there certain garments that make

you feel better when you're feeling low?

>> I call it in Korea, maybe

uh me and my friends call it

like

the hills.

And I have my hills.

>> Mhm.

>> And they are um

I think the nature is always the best um

therapist.

70% of Korean land is made of mountains.

So, we could go hiking in every cities.

So, mountains, rivers,

um and the sea, we also have sea in

Korea, too. So, they are my teachers and

therapists.

And

mostly the friends.

Because

I don't like myself sometimes um

when I'm when I feel like I'm too

obsessed

with the relationships.

>> Mhm.

>> Like I always ask myself like

could you just please be on your own for

a second?

Why do you always need

somebody to talk to

or to

go for a trip.

Just could you just let yourself be

alone um for like a week? And because I

felt I sometimes feel I mostly feel

really hard to be just

do nothing and just be on my own.

>> Mhm.

>> [clears throat]

>> So,

but friends, um I think sometimes

they're everything.

>> Yeah.

>> Family and friends.

And art, of course, music, um

um architecture, um books,

and art.

There are lots of hills that I always

have to rely on and

that's the exact point

I just finally

find myself like

I'm too weak.

I always need those hills.

>> [laughter]

>> Yes.

I suppose part of being strong is to

recognize weakness or what people call

weakness, but it's just

it's just a different

mode, isn't it? It's a different place.

As long as you don't

speaking for myself, sink down too far

and then there's so far to come up and

>> Yes, I think

um

being strong

starts from

admitting your weakness weakness and

>> Mhm.

>> um your defects and flaws.

I have too many flaws.

>> Yeah.

You're quite a hard taskmaster on

yourself, huh?

>> [sighs]

>> Maybe because I

I grew up in Korea and Korea is such a

a very intense uh country. But that was

the, you know, that's where the

contradiction comes through because

that's the exact point what made um

Korea

this Korea.

>> Mhm.

>> So,

I love it,

but I hate it at the same time.

>> But I suppose that's also the signature

of an artist. I mean, I read this little

book about Giacometti once and he

>> Mhm.

>> he [clears throat]

tortured himself about his

>> Right.

>> work and was always

undoing it and

>> fixing it.

>> Yeah, and um

but if you can bear to be like that,

it's

it's incredible.

>> Yes, um

sometimes I just don't know

any ways

but

any ways else but pushing yourself too

hard to the edge.

>> Mhm.

>> I mean

it's

it's it's really

too much overwhelming sometimes, but

eventually I want to I want to be

um a different person. I want to get

away from this

someday.

>> Well, it's good things have phases and

you're

such a young person and you've done so

much, so and you seem

as though when you set your mind to

something that you

you go towards that, so

I'm looking forward to

to seeing

your next

>> [clears throat]

[laughter]

>> On the cover of your new album, Ari

Rang, BTS are all wearing these

permutations of an elegant suit that

could almost be a uniform and it's

glamorous and it suggests the confidence

to be subtle. And do you feel like

subtlety is a more representative of

where you are at the moment?

>> Yes, because

we had to admit that

you are very confused and

we just

can't reach reach a um

like a certain very obvious consensus of

um

visions or tastes

or dreams. So,

it was

a very confused album.

I think I'm I'm still very confused and

um

I think about subtlety a lot.

But,

yeah, like

I

I just don't really know. Um it's it's

very subtle, but

so, we wanted to be very straight

forward, but we failed. But, we did know

that we

were going to fail.

That was

maybe these

the place that the subtlety comes from.

>> Mhm.

>> And

those conflicts

and

the shaking's

It's

I think it's where

I am right now in 2026.

I want to be very um

certain and straight, but I think I

always fail.

>> I mean, I think it's the most incredibly

beautiful picture cuz it

seems to have

all this it seems to capture the past of

each member and even though

you know, there are certain similarities

in the way that you're all dressed,

there's this individuality that really

shines out of each person and

I I think it's really beautiful and

and I I was

I mean, I suppose

there is no such thing as certainty in a

way. So, um and that's got to be good um

because it means things can evolve and

you know, as somebody with with a lot of

ideas that

it's just a bit nerve-racking to feel

>> Yes.

>> feel that.

>> [gasps]

>> And

>> [clears throat]

>> Uh so, sorry.

>> Cuz you come across as someone with

immense focus and inner strength. And

what does self-discipline mean to you?

And when does it feel strengthening when

did it when does it feel restrictive?

>> Sometimes I feel like

I'm too much of a like a control freak

for myself.

>> Mhm.

>> Just

like

you must not get lazy.

You It's not the time to chill out.

Like for example

I think the tour is

the final It's one of the final

completion of a

of a musician because

it's a total package of music

performance

choreographies

and visuals and most importantly the

fans.

And we we have this such community and

eye to eye and face to face.

>> Mhm.

>> But when the tour starts

I was forgetting about this because it's

been

almost 7 years that we haven't been on

tour because of the COVID and the

military.

>> Oh, yes.

>> And so it wasn't a while.

>> Mhm.

>> And the tour started um 3 months ago and

I got to realize like I just

man

I have so much time.

>> [laughter]

[gasps]

>> Without but it's such a um

I have

such a um I have to use

a lot a lots of energy to to to do this.

>> Mhm.

>> So

most of the time except the actual

concert I'm like exhausted.

>> Yeah.

>> But I always try to go out like for

example

is here I'm in London so

I'm planning to go to a Hayward Gallery

to see the Anishko exhibition and

I jump too much

in the tour so my legs they always hurt

so much so

>> [laughter]

>> it's really hard to walk just walk.

But I always push myself like

when when could you see

this place or exhibition

if it's not now

but

so my self-discipline is just always

about those two things like

am I controlling myself too much? No.

It's okay you could chill out. It's been

15 years. You always waited for this

moment.

No.

The world is flowing too fast you have

to push it more.

No you have to chill out. Bro please

chill out.

>> [laughter]

>> So

um

so a friend of mine

um

told me

I just

hope you

live

the life of an undercover

like even more like push it to the edge

even more like

when you were in the team

just

do all those stuff like a pop star like

a perfect like like you could do it even

better and better.

You just you shouldn't enjoy it but when

you just

come back

to your

like a private time

just

be yourself

say anything spit it out. I just

you could be you could do

both roles

even more and more and better and better

just don't try to combine it together. I

think that's where your insecurity

comes from.

And that helped me really much.

>> Mhm.

>> But it's really hard just to do that

sometimes.

>> It's a great bit of advice, I must say.

And is there a particular garment that

you find attractive on somebody that

you're romantically interested in?

>> Um yes.

Um I think about it a lot

and

I think

>> [clears throat]

>> I also

I kind of want to see

um

like the

counter-dictionary image from somebody

because like if somebody could be very

very serious

but

very very ridiculous and humorous at the

same time. Maybe I think I might fall in

love with some that that person.

>> That's so nice. [laughter]

>> Yes.

Uh because

I don't know why. Maybe if I could be

with that kind of person um for a long

time, I could I feel like I might have a

really really like a like a hap- happy

life and happy times with um you know,

like such full of

content, you know.

>> Yeah.

>> Talking about um

maybe the social issues

from like political things and just to

like

Which beer do you prefer the most?

Belgian or German?

>> Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> I prefer Korean. Like something like

that. So

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I think I fi- find um

um such wiz um when I

see somebody's very very um actuality.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah, the actuality.

>> And if you fancy someone and don't like

something they're wearing, does it kill

your attraction?

>> [laughter]

[gasps]

>> Um

I think I used to when I was young

because I was like

fashion is everything. Like clothes um

it's the best way to express yourself.

But

you know, Rick already taught me

on fashion neurosis.

>> [laughter]

>> There's the There was a lesson and

um I think

as I got a little bit older

I've learned how to

um

really really respect somebody's um

taste

and um

a way of expressing themselves.

>> Mhm.

>> I was

talking that I'm

that I'm learning about it like years

ago.

But now I think I could say that I

became

um

a person like that even more and

for that part, that is the um

exact part that I

want to

become like that even more and more.

And fashion is the clothes

it's really important because

we just

habitually

judge

other people just by the looks

and the fashion.

>> Yeah.

>> So nobody wants to be judged easily. So

>> [laughter]

>> Cuz on your album Ari Rang, you have a

song called Normal.

>> Yes.

>> And I wondered what rituals do you have

to create normality when there's less of

it around in your life and

cuz I noticed on your video when you

were showing the art that you made your

bed and I wondered if that was one of

your rituals and

what rituals you use

to ground yourself.

>> To turn off, right?

>> Mhm.

>> Um

>> [snorts]

>> the word, you know, sometimes

a language

or single word could define

your entire world. So, just my obsession

with a word normality.

>> Yeah.

>> That was the way the um one of the best

way to

like get away from it. Like you should

be normal. Um

you should

just be one of them.

Because

I am living

like a

strange life.

>> Mhm.

>> But as I got to like

obsessed with the like I I want to be

like a normal person.

Like I just want to be one of them and

as I got obsessed with it and with it I

just I think it just runs away from me

and even more.

>> Yeah.

>> So, I just

I'm I'm trying to stop

thinking about normality.

>> [laughter]

>> That's a really good idea.

>> It's to turn yourself off. You should be

private.

You should be You should not be noticed.

I just I am trying to get away from it.

>> I mean, it's the most incredible album.

I I've

really immersed myself in it and been

enjoying it so much and uh

and your process is so rigorous and and

the effect is both optimistic and full

of freedom and inclusion and

I love the song Hooligan and it

[laughter] has these captivating

melodies and also what sounds like

metallic

I mean I imagine swords clashing like

ancient sounds and

how do you bring all these things

together? I mean, it's an impossible

question to answer as I'm asking it, but

it's so um

you have all these

kind of beautiful things happening and

then

the effect is just very very direct and

definite and goes straight into the

heart.

>> We had a lot of friends and partners who

helped us so much.

We did

the session for an album

like 3 4 months and we stayed in LA.

And we luckily had a chance to work with

such like great musicians and artists

that

could help

um

>> [clears throat]

>> expand our world.

And

Hooligan is also one of my favorite.

>> Is it? Oh, yes.

>> Yes, it's produced by that's a track by

El Guincho and

he did a lot of music for Rosalia.

>> Oh,

wow.

>> So, he's a very very extraordinary and

special um sound maker.

So, he brought all those

um

strange and um

never heard of sound to the session.

>> Yeah.

>> And

our member Jungkook and Jungkook and

J-Hope did make those amazing like

no-brainer top lines for

and also like came up with the word

Hooligan.

>> Mhm.

It's so beautiful.

>> So, the credit is like I think I did a

such a small part of

um for this album because

uh the team itself got so much bigger

than before and

and even the other members they also

have done their own solo careers and

they grew up so much so I rely I can't

on them so much.

So, I'm a very very lucky person and

I've learned so much um through

the process of making the album.

And

I think I could do better um when it

comes back to

um my solo album

the next.

So, yeah it's a beautiful um back and

forth I guess.

>> Well, thank you so much RM for being on

Fashion Urosis and it's just been

wonderful to listen to you and to

connect with everything that you've

talked about. It's

really

>> It's such an honor to be here

and I might be the first Korean.

>> I am so honored to have you here and

and I just think there's something

magical that you've done with your music

that that you managed to touch people

from such a huge age range and that you

that is really

a huge talent, the talent of a leader

that you clearly

manifest.

Thank you so much.

>> Thank you so much.

I always wanted to have a pop podcast

experience and I think it's my first

time.

Yes, I've done thousands of interviews

of magazine, uh videos and like music

contents

but uh a format of a you know

uh bumping into somebody's home

casa and talking with Bella

she's an amazing person and

uh

this is this was one of my um deepest

and [music]

the most honest and uh happiest

uh interview that I've ever done.

>> Thank you so much. Thank you. It means

so much.