Today we have on legendary

uh pusher of operating systems

specifically making the year of Linux

2026 actually happening DHH. We have

also with us trashdev amazing snack

connoisseur and teach and today we are

going to be talking something extremely

special.

Uh, anyways, sorry. I don't know if you

if everybody knows this, but it turns

out we have this right here. We have

some Omachi news coming in. So, I'm

looking right here at the board, at the

conbon board. What are we doing today on

the stand up? We have to talk about

Omachi. And I am saying that correct, by

the way. And so, with DHH on, we figured

that maybe he could do a little bit of

setting the stage on why we're talking

about Omachi specifically, cuz that kind

of seems silly. It's been it's been out

for so long at this point. I still have

my transitions on. It's we we've had

it's been out for so long. Why uh why

are we talking about it?

>> Well, we're going to talk about Amachi

because it was basically rewritten from

scratch and the latest version, Umachi

Quattro, which is the first version

that's gotten its own moniker, just

dropped on Friday and is ushering in

nothing less than the future of the

personal computer. We are making

computers malible, personable,

changeable, and it's all thanks to

agents solving the biggest problem we've

had in Linux that they're a pain in the

ass to set up. They're a pain in the ass

to configure. They're a pain in the ass

to diagnose.

Yet, thanks to the wonder of magical

premium tokens, that is no longer true.

We have AI to do everything for us. And

not only is Amachi Quattro virtually

fully AI developed, I spent about three

months together with Ryan Hughes and

others, prompting our way to this

incredible distribution that we have

today. And then the experience of

actually using it once you set up your

default agent is just nuts. You can make

anything happen. We've rewritten the

whole thing in QuickShell. We've dumped

about 17 different dependencies. We've

shrunk the ISO by 30%, we've increased

the install time by like 40%, it now is

up and running on a fast computer in

about 45 seconds. It was already quick.

>> I lost my world record.

>> You had you had Omachi 3 world record,

which was it might have even been Omachi

2 world record. It was very fast.

>> True.

>> Hey, Brian, don't forget scrum plannings

later.

No,

I can't do this.

[music]

Product manager here. We've decided to

put you on call. [laughter]

I CAN'T I I can't do I can't do on call.

>> You're on call?

>> Luck.

>> What are you saying? With Sentry on call

is so much fun. It has all of our

errors, logs, [music]

spans, metrics, replays, and even

releases in one spot. It has all the

context we need [music] to solve any

bug. Even if half the time Sentry beats

me to the fix anyway.

>> Just cuz software development is torture

doesn't mean on call has to be.

>> Wa, that's amazing. Does Sentry also

attend my meetings?

>> Oh, that's the best part. No.

>> Sentry [music] can't actually make on

call fun, but it can make it less scary.

Everything you need to fix real issues

in [music] one place.

>> Buckaroo. Got that 6 p.m. postmortem

planning. Don't forget

>> it was already ridiculously fast, but

we're making it ridiculously leer fast.

Um, [laughter]

because we've just optimized everything

and it's just it's tighter, it's better,

and it's completely malible. We now have

a plug-in repository. There's a

community-led version on

omachiplugins.com

that launched six days ago, and it

almost has a,000 plugins. Now, we're on

chart at least to get a thousand plugins

within the first week. People have made

everything happen. There's a million

games. There's AirPods controls. There

is flight radar thingies. There is just

all sorts of There's even a plugin for

uh finding back a girlfriend. I just saw

that. Um Whoa.

>> That's Hey, that's a good plugin. Okay.

>> It just crashes or what? [laughter]

>> It turns off It turns off Arch. It

installs Windows and you have to go out.

>> But but as amazing as all this is, this

launch is just nuts. We're running at

like 5,000 ISO downloads a day right

now. Um, even crazier, just dropped, I

don't know if you caught this, Prime,

because you've been on your uh you've

been on your stream, but literally uh an

hour ago just dropped a huge

announcement that um I'm incorporating

the Omicron Foundation with $8 million

in pledged funding from um just like a

few people you might have heard of.

Maybe you heard of Michael Dell. Maybe

you heard of Toby Lutka. Maybe you heard

of uh Patrick Collison or or Matthew

Prince or Brendan Narib or Jason Freed

or Jack Dorsey. Um a few of the people

we've signed on for this insane mission

to actually make Linux on the desktop

2026 happen and beyond. I mean this is

also an insane raise to do for this kind

of mission. Initially, I just asked

floated the idea with Toby on Sunday for

this foundation. I like, do you know

what? I should just I PUT A MILLION

DOLLARS INTO THIS. And immediately he

replies, I'll match. And I go like, what

do you what do you mean? You don't have

to think about it. Um, you you'll just

match a million dollars. And then I went

like, well, maybe there are other people

who would also just go like, yeah, I'll

give you a million dollars to go make

Linux totally awesome. And so, we just

raised that. We just announced that. And

then we also announced that we are

straight away spending a bunch of that

money on Vaxree becoming the exclusive

sponsor for him so that he does not have

to think about any commercial

development for the next three years

plus a two-year option. So potentially

for the next five years [applause] we

just set with Bax doing hyperland

development and posting uh waifuss on on

X. So that and then there's a bunch more

announcements in the pipeline. I mean,

um, I'm running this thing as the

executive, uh, director, but I mean, I'm

putting my money in because I don't need

the money. So, all of the money is going

to go towards developers who are

integral to the development of Amachi

and the subsystems and everything else

that we have to uh promotion of the

whole thing to the infrastructure and

this is going to be amazing. So, uh,

yeah, that's my uh out of breath spiel

here for just a few crazy things that's

happened this week. I have to say, wow.

>> Let me let me just mention one more

thing to the announcement because this

is the important thing is here is Linux

is [ __ ] happening. We are going to

make this happen. I have not been this

determined about almost anything else in

my goddamn life about making Linux

happen. And this couldn't have happened

if we were still stuck with the hardware

we had 3, four years ago. What's making

it happen now is that we finally have

MacBook level quality competitive

hardware. And two reasons for that. One,

Intel Panthle just absolutely

mind-blowingly efficient and um

performant CPU and and Dell revamping

that XPS lineup and for the first time

in my career giving me a laptop I would

pick over any other. I'm not just saying

that because Michael Dell just gave me a

million dollars, although I would have

said it now if I hadn't said it already.

I've already [laughter] said it. Fair.

Fair. I've been pinging the XPS for a

long time because it simply is my uh

favorite computer. So,

>> I I feel good about that it's in that

order. Otherwise, you're like, YOU'RE

[ __ ] CHILL. But um

>> now it is my professional duty to talk

nicely about Dell. So, I'm very happy

that that lined up with the fact I just

really like what not only Dell is doing,

what Intel has been doing. Also, AMD, by

the way, even though they're a little

bit behind on efficiency, they're also

putting out some absolutely cracking

products. I know I'm uh now have to hawk

Dell all the time, but um the nice

people from AMD also just sent me this

uh AMD 39

395 plus laptop from HP, which is the

same chip that's in the framework uh

desktop. Absolute freaking beast. So, if

you don't need the uh battery life that

you get out of that XPS, then that's a

wonderful option, too. So, all the

pieces, all the pieces are coming

together at the same time. Did you know

we're even getting [ __ ] Fortnite by

the end of the year? I finally annoyed

Tim Sweeney.

>> That's actually crazy. That's actually

crazy.

>> After two years of hacking him on

Twitter like at regular intervals, I

mean, I'm not going to take credit for

the whole thing. Maybe Valve also

deserves a little bit because like

Steambox and Steam Deck and whatever is

sending

>> the millions of dollars go into Proton

and all that. Yes, they also deserve

just maybe a touch.

>> Maybe just a touch. I mean again the

amazing look at how many different

factors are coming together and

conspiring this year 2026 is when it all

happens

>> and it's the year of the Linux laptop

even not even year of the Linux desktop

>> yes that is actually key because when we

talk about Linux on the desktop I mean

>> nobody buys desktops anymore I mean I'm

talking broadly here if you look at

Apple sales like it's all MacBooks

>> the MacBook was really the number one

target And until you had something that

was competitive with it, it was going to

be uphill to sell it, right? Because you

were going to ask people to do

compromise. You're going to either tell

them that, well, the battery life isn't

great, but you should use Linux anyway.

Which, by the way, great argument. I've

been making that argument for two years.

I totally think uh Linux was worth the

drop in battery life, but now you don't

even have to make that argument. Did you

see the Dell XPS or 14 with the LCD

display went 42 hours in a battery life

test? I'm like, "What do you mean 42

hours? It's just absolutely nuts." Um,

>> yeah. I to to throw this on there, I

have the slightly older Dell XPS, the

one that we got at Omacon. And uh, that

one I've been able to I went on a flight

to California to Long Beach just a

little bit ago. And during that flight

from Rapid City to Denver, I programmed

and did stuff. And then from uh, Denver

to Long Beach, I programmed and did

stuff. I shut my laptop and then hung

out on the beach. And then at the end of

the week, I opened up my laptop. Still

had half battery left. And this was this

is just running OMachi. Like there's

nothing going on. There's nothing fancy

going on here. This just never has

happened in my life of So the fun side

story when I started using Linux on my

laptop was in 2016. And in 2016, I had

45 minutes of battery life. I couldn't

make it through one meeting at Netflix

every single time. It was this game

where I could not open it. I had to keep

it turned off until like midway into the

meeting so I could open it and then do

some sort of presentation. I had to come

up with reasons to stall me presenting

so it wouldn't die

>> and then uh fans kick on probably too

prime and it's LIKE I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I

CAN'T HEAR THE FAN.

>> Are you are you are you prompting too?

Is it still lasting a long time even

with like running like LLMs?

>> Oh yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's to prog

typically all my LLM stuff if I'm doing

anything runs in the cloud. I don't use

uh I almost never use local LLM stuff

anymore. But yes, on that flight I

happen to be like, "Hey,

>> explain to me stuff about Apollo." And I

started playing with Apollo and I just

kept on playing with it a whole bunch.

So yeah,

this by the way is also key. We're

talking about battery life. We're

talking about all sorts of things coming

together. The agent thing is really the

thing that completely rewrite the game

because on battery it was a game of

catchup, right? Like we had to get to

the MacBook level and then now level

maybe we're a little bit ahead,

whatever. They still make great chips.

The M chips are awesome. Um, so it's not

like, all right, we just trounced them.

But when it comes to agents working on

your desktop and turning it into your

personal favorite computer, Apple's

nowhere. The Mac OS operating system is

complete trash when it comes to having

your dream computer produced by agents

on your behalf because you can't change

anything of the core of how the OS works

because that's Apple's domain. I saw a

fun tweet the other day where where it

flagged Codeex app as being malware and

track Dragon this whole idea that I own

a computer and for me to get software on

there in a reasonable way that producer

first has to go BEG APPLE CAN I PLEASE

MAKE software and get the sign is just

mind-blowingly insane. We do not have to

live like this with agents. We're

getting access to the malible computer.

This dream that computers makers and

programmers have had since the [ __ ]

dawn of time here. And Mac doesn't have

an answer. There is no answer. Yeah,

make some little apps within the

confines of what Apple allows you to do,

but who wants to live like that? You

want to live with freedom.

>> And can I just jump in here for a

second? It's not just Apple that's bad.

It's also just like so much of the

programs, they don't even have a way for

you to edit the config other than

launching the program and click like the

the culture of developing an app is also

bad. So, it's not just, you know,

cultures downstream of the creator, but

the creator is bad and the culture is

bad. And so, it's just like both of them

make it impossible to you. Like, I hate

setting up an Apple cuz I know I have

hours of pushing menu buttons. I don't

want to push menu buttons ever. I want

to have one conf. I want to download

JSON and put it right into the system.

>> This is so crazy.

>> I had an experiment or experience maybe

four months ago. I was going to some

place I thought I had a PC that I was

going to install a Machi on and like I

hadn't been there for a while. So, what

I had instead was a [ __ ] Mac Mini.

So, I was stuck for three days and I did

not have a a PC because I had left the

laptop of home. So, I just had that Mac

mini and I was like, do you know what?

>> Let me just give it a go. It can't be

that bad. And I tried to set it up like

I would want my ideal computer to do.

And first of all, it took goddamn

forever. But exactly as you say, the

entire operating system is just not

built for agents. It's not built for

accessibility of the tooling we want to

use. Raycast, great example. So,

Raycast, great launcher. Lots of people

love it, right? The only way you can get

your config in and out of that is

exactly AS YOU SAY. YOU GOT TO GO TO a

menu, you got to scroll down, there's a

little export config, and then you get

this config. And then to get it in

there, you got to GO BACK AND IMPORT

CONFIG like with your LITTLE MOUTH LIKE

A [ __ ] [laughter] caveman. It is

absolutely mindblowing how bad it is.

And the only reason it's not like shoot

yourself bad now is because of homebrew.

Homero has done amazing things for the

Mac, but it's still limited in what it

can do. Like you can't set hot keys.

There's none of the uh Mac OS hotkey

edible programmatically. The only way to

set up um your workspace hotkeys, by the

way, is going to a menu and manually

click from row to row like a [ __ ]

pecking bird. It is just absurd and it

becomes triply absurd in this age of age

of agents where they could just do it

for you. You can't check in your

conflict. You can't do anything. It is

actually mind-blowing now having lived

on Linux for two and a half years and

have built a mod that like people just

accept that this is how they live. Now,

I understand that in the past, even

quite recent past, you just went like,

"Okay, yeah, that totally blows, but

like I get better battery life or it, I

don't know, build quality or I get

something else." That's fair, but this

is why it's a complete game changer.

Now, now that we've leveled out those

things, thanks to Intel, thanks to Dell,

thanks to other makers who finally

caught up and are competitive on the

hardware side, we can finally press

those advantages that Linux just has

that beats the Mac bloody. And then the

agents enter the picture and you can

make anything happen. You can make your

computers do anything. It is just

unbelievable that all the stars should

line up in a perfect constellation for

this moment right now. And then we

raised [ __ ] $8 million for the Omic

Foundation. We're going all in with

Amachi.

Oh my god.

>> And you got And you got Vax. I mean, you

got Vax going full time like just doing

what Vax does best. Like that is that's

some real momentum.

>> So this is just the deal that got signed

before the announcement. Oh my god,

there's [ __ ] coming. You have no idea.

So much [ __ ] coming. The pipeline, man,

it is bulging with amazing stuff that's

going to come out of this.

>> Yeah. So I have a question. And so the

$8 million you just got, how is that

being used? And I don't know if you can

say this, how is this being used to

making like Linux the desktop or age of

Linux being desktop thing? How's that

where's that money going or what's your

vision with it?

>> Three main things. A fund the developers

who create the key subsystems for Amachi

people like Backre. So doing deals like

that such that developers like

Backstreet don't have to think about

money. They could just make awesome

Hyperlink, which by the way, even though

we're now the exclusive sponsor.

Hyperlink is still open source, free for

anyone. Any other DRO can put it in.

It's not like, oh my god, now it's off

the market. This isn't proprietary

software, bro. This is all MIT licensed

stuff. You go to the Omachi repo. You

can [ __ ] take anything and build it

into your Nick Stream or something if

that's what floats your boat. So, we're

gonna take a bunch of money. We're gonna

put it towards that. That's the bulk of

it. The bulk of it is going to go

towards funding of that. Now, I mean, I

raised $8 million like [ __ ] just in

the last few days, just what? Um, I'm

gonna make it last, right? So, it's not

like uh by by next Tuesday, we've blown

it all on hookers and coke here, right?

Like, it's got to last in my head. We're

spending this money over the next five

years. Like, that's I got a communist

five-year plan here going. So, there's

five years and we're going to spend

>> forwarding Michael Scott right now.

>> Dude, don't go there. Too soon. Too

soon.

>> Too soon for a great leap forward or

Michael Scott. Which one are we talking

about? [laughter]

>> Too soon by Michael Scott. Um

>> yeah, too soon.

>> So So it's going to go towards that.

Then it's going to go through all the

infrastructure required to build a top

tier Linux distribution.

uh package servers, mirrors, agent

runners, um QA servers, all the

infrastructure it takes to operate a top

tier Linux distribution,

>> we're going to build it. We're going to

run it ourselves and we're going to take

over more and more and more of it until

at some point, we'll see how far it

goes. I mean, my delusions of grandeur

grow into the sky. So, um getting to

eventually core levels of Linux

distribution, that's the that's the

plan. And then finally, we're going to

do something that I know nerds are

goddamn allergic to. We're going to

market. We're going to tell people that

Umachi is the greatest

>> ever to

>> let's go

>> encounter their computer. We're going to

spend money on um merchandise. We're

going to spend money on on events. We're

going to spend money on

activities that make people aware that

Linux is now fantastic and that the best

version of Linux for the age of agents

is Amachi. So part of this is also like

both it's both extremely ambitious in

what we're trying to do yet also kind of

narrow right because I'm not giving up

on the keyboard. We're going to be

keyboard first. I'm not going to go

like, "Oh, what does it take to get

grandma to use this machine? Can we make

a watered down version of uh Ubuntu so

that we too can distribute a Teemo

version of Windows?" [ __ ] that.

>> No, no, no.

>> The mission remains.

>> I'm building to be the perfect computer

for me and then I'm giving you all the

tools so that you can start from a

system that's already amazing and then

make the perfect computer for you.

Right. So

um what was the question? Oh, how are we

going to spend the money? Um those are

the three main pillars, right? Fund the

developers, uh fund the infrastructure,

fund the excitement.

>> Can I Okay, I have a question. A very

important question, especially in in our

day and age, the I'd say the biggest

risk factor to any of these type of

projects right now is supply chain

attacks. I think we see them non-stop.

Rust is under a current one right now

with array ref, I think it was or

whatever it was. Every single one of

these is effectively a worm ready to be

wormed on everybody's machine and being

a part of a distribution. You download

stuff and it really does get executed

and people really will take all of your

stuff and spread even more worming. So

with that in mind, what is Omachi's plan

to be different? Because a AUR it's like

I I've been scared to update my system

lately because I know AUR has been also

having a bunch of problems. And so it's

like, how am I going to have a system

that I can trust? And so, how does

Omachi make a universe that I can trust?

I don't want one more npm. What's the

answer? [laughter]

>> I'll tell you, it's real simple. We're

going to own the [ __ ] universe. The

entire Umachi installation and

distribution is going to be sovereign.

Now, we're leaning at the moment on the

AUR for a handful of optional

installations. There's nothing on Amachi

itself that comes from the AUR.

Everything is compiled on our built

machines and our built servers and then

go into our package repository. Like I

totally get only been around for a year.

So if you are basing your current

opinion on what Amachi is on that first

version that shipped as a git checkout

in your home directory and ran straight

off the AUR, you are about 17 light

years out of date with where we are

today. We run our own build service. We

run our own package repository. We run

our own mirrors. All of it lives behind

Cloudflare. This is why we don't have to

do vintage stuff like torrent and

mirrors and [ __ ] We just use modern

tools like CDN's to ensure that I've

heard of those to download anywhere.

>> Heard of those.

>> Um, we're going to get rid of the AUR

entirely for anything um presents for

you as an option. I mean, we're almost

already there. There's a handful of

things left and they're almost all from

trusted vendors. It was like, oh, you

can install Brave the browser. We get

that from the AU. We don't have to.

Everything that I've been packaging

recently like T3 code, right? I just

packaged that for Theo yesterday. And I

didn't go to the AUR. I did the original

package. Like I'll go to where T3 is

distributed. I'll get it from that. I

will package it up. I will host it. I

will control the update just so that I

can ensure that it's happening in a

secure way. So the AUR is going to

basically be reduced to an optional

thing that people can use if they choose

to, but we're going to keep

deemphasizing it because we're going to

keep getting more and more and more

coverage so that there's less and less

reason for you to get to the AUR. Now, I

actually think the AUR is amazing. I'm

not saying this to slack on the AUR in

any way, shape, or form. I do think that

it is from a vintage of the internet

where we were more hopeful and happy

people who can trust each other slightly

more. But there's 117,000 packages in

the AUR. We're not hosting that

tomorrow, right? But as with everything,

it's a power law. If you look at the top

whatever 2% of packages, 1% of packages

on the AUR is probably 80% of the

downloads, right? So we just have to

cherrypick off that 1% and then we will

shrink the scope that is available for

these kinds of attacks and then we will

build out our own repository. We'll

build our own build server. We'll build

out everything. I mean we're going to

run our [ __ ] fork at the kernel for

the things that we need. We already do.

So the reason in part that your Dell XPS

laptop runs so well on Amachi is that we

run a forked version of the kernel that

has patches for that. This is what

Spencer Bull, who's by the way on the

newlyannounced UMachi core team. He's a

uh

>> um he's he's a distinguished engineer I

believe it is at Dell who's been on the

Umachi train almost since day one. He he

spoke at Omicon all in amazing research.

He's been doing the liaison for Intel

patches that we needed for the XPS to

run at its absolute peak efficiency to

go into our fork at the kernel. We're

going to do that for the whole thing.

I'm I'm talking to everyone right now,

including Linux kernel developers to

come help us out to secure things. Um,

one of the next steps we got to do is

this amazing plug-in repository, right?

Like that's the same problem as the AUR.

If you're downloading code from the

internet, you run it, it's code from the

internet, it could do stuff to your

computer. We're going to fix it. We're

going to fix everything. Um, the plugins

are going to get hosted on our setup.

They're going to run through our

agentpowered security vetting, which by

the way, all of this security drama

right now, a lot of it is agent

accelerated, right? Like people are

finding exploits with agents. Yeah. Do

you know what that also means? These

agents are incredible defenders.

>> And that defense really goes in in in

depth. So if we arm our side with the

best, smartest, latest agents and we

basically have unlimited token budgets.

Um note on that announcement coming

later for for endless tokens for

Amarachi. Then we will be able to apply

all the best intelligence from this new

age towards securing Omachi to the

maximum degree possible. Now we're going

to be liable to all the same things

everyone is liable to. We're going to be

liable to the throat they exploit in the

colonel and whatever. But but because we

are a rolling dro off Arch with a one

month lag so we don't screw people's

installations in the middle of the night

on a [ __ ] Tuesday. That's how we

started. I woke up with Ryan Hughes at

3:00 a.m. more than one because some

package got pushed out and people

updated their installation and bam, it

was broken. We ended all that nonsense

by just being one month behind on

default. But then as soon as there's

anything a CVE or whatever, we can just

update right there. We can ship the

latest version, the latest patches, the

latest everything literally next moment.

We can have agent

>> monitoring all of it, monitoring the

CVE, opening the PRs, pinging people. We

can afford to have uh on call staff. We

[ __ ] raised $8 million. There's

nothing we can do.

>> You can't um you can't buy cursor with

that kind of money. Uh, so you can't do

that. Just throwing that out there. It's

gonna take a little bit more than eight

million, but eight million is insane.

>> $20 a month. Brian,

>> I I do I [laughter] think it's very

cheap comparatively. But

>> I do think there's something to be said

about this this insane world that we

live in. Um, I forgot who I think it was

Sam Lambert of Planet Scale said like

they run stuff with their databases and

they have all this uptime and all this

performance and they're a team of 30

engineers or some small sing double

digit engineers. But yeah,

>> and I forget the exact number, but

Amazon and their one database has a

thousand effective people working on

this their database offering. And you

just have to think the same thing with

Windows or with Mac like how many

thousands of engineers, product

developers, all these people

putting all this effort into an

operating system and then you have Vax

just like one dude who's making an

experience that's just dramatically

better. Like how does this even h like

how are we even in this world in which

one person is defeating a thousand? This

can't like something has to be

fundamentally broken and it's not just

the power of AI because he's been doing

this before the power of AI came out. So

it's something it's something more than

just that. And so that's why I'm very

excited about Omachi because I want you

guys to somehow capture the eight people

who can defeat a trillion dollar

organization and that's all you need.

We're doing it. We are absolutely doing

it. And it's exactly as you say, all the

great leaps forward. I'm not quoting

[ __ ] Mau here.

>> All the [laughter] like, whoa, we're

back there again already. DHH, that was

fast.

>> Hold on. Hold on.

>> Independence. [laughter]

>> All the great leaps forward. They did

not come out of a goddamn committee.

They did not come out of a thousand

people replicating the Orc chart. They

came out of cracked Polish Linux kids

like Backstreet who in their goddamn

bedroom at I don't know when did they

start Hyperland? Three years ago. So he

was uh 19, 18. Just go like, "Hey, do

you know what? I [ __ ] know better."

Like these Mac people who've been

working on Mac OS and have $3 trillion

in market cap behind him. I can beat

them. And then he [ __ ] does, right?

like world is moved forward by

delusional unreasonable people who with

enough determination become right.

>> That's the group I'm tapping into. Um

that's what we're doing.

>> Can I ask another real question?

>> Of course. Trash.

>> So

>> you guys have been prompting this new

version Quattro. Like what's the like

what's the QA process here? Like are

obviously you're dog feeding your own

OS, but do you have like a big group of

like alpha users? Do you have a QA

department? Like what what's that look

like? Like how can we trust you that

this is actually not slop, right?

>> Yeah. So the first step is you have a

goddamn obsessed maniac, me, who has uh

at this point, you mean 17 laptops and

400 PCs connected to everything. Um, I

have installed Omachi Quattro and I kid

you not, probably about 500 times, maybe

more because just running through the

installation, making sure everything is

tight, making sure it all works on all

these different permutations. That's

just me. Like that's the first layer of

defense here. I am not going to ship

anything unless it is goddamn delicious

and awesome and works. Then second tier

of uh defense here is we have an

incredible community already. I think we

got like 40,000 people on the Discord

now or something like that. Um, we have

multiple channels. So, we have the dev

channel, that's people running straight

off Git. Um, praise be those brave

souls. Then we have the um edge channel

which gets the latest packages and that

system has gotten really nice. One of

the key by the way, just quick aside,

when I started Amachi, it was a a get

checkout in your home directory, right?

That works great for me. a little

brittle if the user starts meddling and

why wouldn't they? It's in their goddamn

home directory. Right? So, we had

problems at time with overwriting things

and we were sharing configs and it was a

little delicate. Let's just say that.

Right now, we've switched to a

completely packaged driven system. Um is

a system package that installed straight

into all the other system packages and

therefore its own configuration files

and so on. They're not in user space.

We're giving you access to can extend it

but we're not stepping on each other's

toes anymore that erases like 70% of the

bug reports that we had for former

versions of quattro just or for just

separating those two things but then we

have the channel system so we have the

edge which is sort of people want to

live on the edge they get the latest

packages and they get I think we're

pushing edge packages every six hours by

default sometimes I push it more often

when I'm testing things but otherwise

you get whatever git is six hours behind

it's great if you want to run on the

latest. There was actually a little

issue uh this morning on some of this. I

fixed that. That's what Edge is for.

Then we have RC. So when we get closer

to a new release, I go through a release

candidate process where we push it out

to RC and like that has a whole

dedicated uh group on Discord like

omachi- release candidate. And we have a

large number of people really stress it

out and can test it on like a million

other machines than what I have. Like

the 17 I have does not cover the range

of uh Linux computers available. And

then when all that is great, then we

have stable. And by the way, a reminder,

stable is by default one month lagging

the latest arch packages. And we do that

just to like you don't get that limoni

update in the middle of the night

because someone just pushed something

out. And we got bitten by that in the

early days of uh March as well. So we

really just like speedrun this process

of what does it take to build a

resilient yet up-to-date system. It's

very easy to build a resilient system if

you use packages that are four years

old. That's auntu. So if you want that

that's available great people have

solved that problem for people want

that. That's not what Amachi is. I want

the [ __ ] latest version of Neoim

right when it drops. I want the latest

version of uh codeex. I want the latest

version of my key developing tools.

Especially now when like the AIA are

updating 17 times a day. I mean I think

Dak bragged that it literally was 17

times on a given day that open CODE

UPDATED RIGHT I WANT THAT RIGHT NOW

WHICH by the way also super cool so we

have all this set up for all these

packages right like that's using Pac-Man

we have our own mirrors we have our own

package repository but it's still

Pac-Man that does it and like you don't

want to churn through that all the time

so you have your system packages that's

itself and all the other core util like

uh QT and the core library hyperland

itself and quick draw lives over here in

system packages

Then you have your tools like open code

that change 17 times a day. It can't

live over here. If you shove open code

into your repository that also keeps

your system packages, you now have to

update all your system packages when you

update open code. No,

>> no. Brittle. No good. So we have a

two-tier system that runs at separate

speed. Pac-Man is running system

packages at a reasonable pace. You got

Edge, you got RC, you got stable. Okay.

Then we have Mi and Mi is goddamn

amazing. Mi allows you to install any of

the tooling you need for Ruby, Go,

Python,

all the main development environments,

run them in different versions for

different projects and then it allows us

to install all the high churn developer

tools like Codex, like plot, like open

code, like um the H CLI, the basecam

CLI. All of these things can run on an

update chain that is super fast and low

criticality and low uh what impact area,

right? Something goes wrong on mis with

it like all right, so Codex has an

issue, they'll pick out or push out

something quickly. It doesn't [ __ ] up

your system. And then finally, I mean,

there's a lot here. We're really in

depth with it. Finally, we have a

snapshot system. Whenever you go to

update Omachi, we take a snapshot. We're

using BTRFS as our default file system

so we can make cheap snapshots. We make

a snapshot before you update. Then when

you update, let's just say something

crazy happened. You were unstable. We

blew our minds and it messed up, right?

Your computer's [ __ ] Your Arch is now

broken. Nothing works. What do you do?

No biggie. You just reboot. You get a

list of your owner, your earliest

snapshots. You pick the one from one

back. You go into that and you live

happily ever after. It is at this point

quite difficult to brick a new

installation. And let's just say

>> that's really nice.

>> You manage. YOU MANAGE TO [ __ ] BRICK

IT. You send your agents a muck and they

just rip out everything and they rewrite

all your

>> be me.

>> Totally screwed, right? Totally goddamn

screwed. Here's chef's kiss at the

bottom layer of all these snapshots that

happen intermediately. We keep five and

so on. You just [ __ ] it all up, right?

We we have factory reset now. Factory

goddamn reset.

>> You can factory reset.

>> That's a revolutionary idea.

>> Entire goddamn thing

>> to the moment you installed it. And I

know it worked when you installed it

because that was off an ISO that I bet

it right. So you bring it back to ISO

level. Not only will that now restore

your computer to its original install

set, you can [ __ ] gift it. We have

full like Mac levels of like I want to

hand off my computer thing. Um, I've not

on a lot of dros. I mean, I'm sure

someone has done it, right? Like that's

not a standard feature that just works

well out of the box with encryption

where you can trust that your data is

not getting handed over to whoever you

found on [ __ ] Craigslist who's going

to take over your machine, right? You

want that stuff to feel secure and we

now have factory reset built in. So,

there's about 17 layers of that

resilience stack and um we're going to

keep adding more to it until it's so

goddamn bulletproof that you need to be

a terrorist to blow it up. [laughter]

>> I'll say I've used uh these before and

it's and it's really nice. Like it's a

tool that actually we're using in a

bunch of repos before and uh I like it a

lot for Yeah.

>> Quick call out. JDX who runs uh

>> we're sponsoring him too.

We're doing all of it.

>> Great.

>> We're doing all of it. Everything that

sort of fits into this and and what I

mean

>> Linux is I think on my installation I

think a,087 packages. We're not doing

a,08 yet I should say. Right. By the

time my budget is 800 million, we're

doing [ __ ] everyone, right? But I'm

starting with eight.

>> So with eight, we gota we got TO MAKE IT

LAST a little. We can't do everything.

We're going to do the key components and

uh it's going to be great.

I find me to be like a nice middle

ground that isn't it isn't quite like I

feel like I have to have nyx and then I

spend a lot of time like arguing with

people on the internet about which

companies are allowed to use my software

but instead I just like I just have my

team all use the same version of

whatever executables we have and then

it's like pretty good for most things

you know.

>> Can can I say something?

>> Yeah, of course. Uh,

>> this is your show to say things here.

[laughter]

>> Nyx is actually part of the reason why

we're doing an institution. That is not

just like a one-off thing here. I'm

sorry to say, but Linux is [ __ ]

infiltrated with goddamn maniacs and

just clowns. just clowns who want to

control what you think and who you can

associate with and whose opinions are

allowed to use what software. It's

goddamn insufferable and Nyx is perhaps

worst of all. Now, there's amazing

technology in Nyx. Amazing technology,

right? I figured some [ __ ] out here. But

the goddamn cancer that is around both

Nyx and so many of the other

institutions in the Linux world is one

of the reasons where like we need a

counterweight. We need a place over here

that's not just a full of [ __ ]

goblins who are crazy. We need just some

people who are like, do you know what?

We make fun computers. Do you like

computers? Then come have FUN WITH US. I

DON'T GIVE A FLYING [ __ ] what you think

about other topics or what your politics

are or I don't know whatever you

support. You're welcome. You're welcome.

You can come over here if you just want

to have fun with computers and find a

competent group of people who are

responsible for distribution. We're here

for you and you are invited. I don't we

got to get away from this nonsense that

like all this [ __ ] is teamsbased and

it's teamsbased along these fault lines

of culture war [ __ ] Microsoft

Teams.

>> Microsoft Teams every time. [laughter]

>> I'm not doing goddamn land

acknowledgements here before I talk.

We're not doing code of conduct [ __ ]

persecution [ __ ] We're just running a

Linux distribution for people who want

to have fun with computers and share

that hobby with others. And that's a

really broad tent. I think there's a ton

of people who would look to run Linux if

they felt like there was a home for them

that wasn't full with crazy clowns.

>> My wife would like Linux. Uh she doesn't

even know that there's people arguing

about this on the internet. So

[laughter]

>> bless her soul. Bless her soul. Please

keep her in uh blissful ignorance on

that point because I'm not actually

think

it is a serious problem not just for

normies so to speak but also for

developers. There are plenty of people

who look at the madness

>> of what's going on in some of these

Linux distribution and just go like I

guess Microsoft and Windows is not so

bad. And that's that's really a missed

opportunity here. We can do better. We

can just collect a group of same people

who want to make good [ __ ] and then let

everyone use it regardless of what

they're going to use it for. Um, I hope

you use it for nice thing, but like if

I'm selling forks here, I'm not going to

try to peep in your bedroom window and

see if you're going to stab yourself in

the leg with it. And [laughter] I think

that that's just not like we've ended

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See you later.

>> Boot up today.

Voting [music]

errors [singing] on my screen.

Terminal coffee [laughter] and

living the dream.