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Making Ozymandias was more brutal than the episode itself

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I think this may be our best episode ever.

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In any given episode, there's  like one scene that — okay,  

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this is going to put everyone through the wringer.

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And in Ozymandias,

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every single scene was like that.

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It was a very painful character to play,

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and I cannot take that intensity.

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So much stuff was coming through

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because I knew it was my last close-up.

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I knew it was my last scene.

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It was saying goodbye to Bryan.

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He's family.

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He was saying goodbye to your show.

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Near them on the sand,

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half sunk, a shattered visage lies.

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That colossal wreck, boundless and bare,

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the lone and level sands stretch far away.

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Oh, simmer down there, Sparky.

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Ozymandias is one of the  greatest episodes of TV ever,

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and for good reason.

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The face-off between Walt and Hank

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has been at the center of this story,

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and this is where it ends.

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Hank is so grounded in this black and white world,

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and no matter what, he  wants to do the right thing,

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and he wants to try to bring  the bad guys to justice.

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Bet your ass the cavalry's coming.

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I had known what my character's  fate was going to be

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because Vince Gilligan had sat me down

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and went through the whole thing with me.

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Said, "I couldn't tell you a whole lot,

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but I can tell you — you'll  die with your dignity."

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My name is ASAC Schrader.

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You can go [ __ ] yourself.

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So, I thought he kind of did,

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which was nice that they had — uh —  they had kind of written it that way.

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So, how did we even get to the  point where Hank is about to die?

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Quick refresher.

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Jesse is working with Hank to put Walt away

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out of vengeance for poisoning Brock.

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You can't keep getting away with it.

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Which leads to Hank sending Walt a fake  picture of his money barrel in the desert,

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causing Walt to drive out there in a panic.

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When he arrives and doesn't see Jesse,

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he realizes it was a trap to track his cell phone

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and lead Jesse there.

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Walt calls Jack for backup

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just before realizing Jesse  came with Hank, who arrests him.

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Jack's crew arrives,

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leading to one of the most agitating  cliffhangers ever put to screen.

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And that's where Ozymandias picks back up.

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Before I get to the scene itself,

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it's worth noting that since Ozymandias  resumes in the middle of the action,

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the producers didn't want anything  to interfere with the intensity,

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including the opening credits.

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So, they secured special permission  from the Hollywood Guilds

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to delay the credits, which  we see here 19 minutes in.

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Fun fact — Moira Walley-Beckett,  the episode's writer,

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makes a cameo here when her name is credited.

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Anyway, back to Hank.

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Reading that final scene was surreal, man.

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Moira Walley-Beckett did such a beautiful job

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giving him such a strong and brave exit

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where, you know, he is still full of pride.

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He's true to his character.

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He knows he's done.

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He's — he's done for.

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You're too stupid to see.

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He made up his mind 10 minutes ago.

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But he's not going to go down  without — without trying,

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and he's not going to go down quietly.

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It's weird to see a character that you  played for six years get shot and die.

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So much stuff was coming through

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because I knew it was my last close-up.

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I knew it was my last scene of six years,

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and it was saying goodbye to Bryan in real life,

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and also was Hank to Walt.

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It was saying goodbye to your show.

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You contemplate your own death for a moment,

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and then you say, "All right, you know, let's go.

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Take me out."

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Do what you're going to do.

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Instead of saying cut, Rian goes,

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"Now that's how you die."

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But I tell you what —

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Hank goes out like a goddamn man.

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Walt is in great distress,

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and he falls to the ground, falls to his knees,

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and there's this — you know — the earth  cracks, literally cracks, underneath him,

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which was part of the inspiration for Ozymandias —

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this man in the sand and the dust of his life.

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Rian wanted to capture that moment so specifically

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that he had special effects  build a section of desert,

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so that — on a trap — so that when Bryan hit,

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they pulled the rig and it  broke apart like puzzle pieces,

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and dust wafted up.

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And this is why Rian's a brilliant director.

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Rian Johnson, who went on to  direct films like Star Wars:  

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Episode 8 and Knives Out after Breaking Bad,

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had mapped out multiple scenes for the episode.

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You don't make that [ __ ] up on the day.

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You got — you got to plan that way in advance.

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But so many scenes were born from the unexpected.

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We had a big sandstorm out here  when we were shooting this.

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It was a big, very, very windy day.

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It was pretty brutal for everybody.

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This is one of those days where there's just grit.

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You see the breeze, and — uh — you're  just dealing with sand in your eyes,

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and every orifice, actually.

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The actors struggled much more than the crew.

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I mean, we — at least we could put bandanas  over our faces and wear our shades.

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These guys just muscled through it.

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And who knows how much that  hardship affected the final result.

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There's all this sand that  we had to [ __ ] eat all day.

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And I actually die is on a [ __ ] goddamn rock.

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Following Hank's death is one of the most  brutal moments for Jesse in the entire series.

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Wait.

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I love the way Bryan — when you first say it,

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it sounds like an apology,

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and then it's, "Oh, no, it's not.

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I watched Jane die."

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And do you remember, Bryan — we, and Aaron —

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we had 15 minutes to shoot this.

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We were losing the light.

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Yeah.

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And — um — you just nailed it.

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I could have saved her, but I didn't.

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I'm so glad that he found  out — sort of the flight.

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According to Walley-Beckett, this  scene was one of the hardest to write,

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stating, "It was kind of great that I got to  dance to the edge of him saying it in Fly."

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And he would have said it for  entirely different reasons back then.

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I'm sorry about Jane.

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He would have said it out of profound  guilt and shame and self-recrimination.

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He would have said it out of love —

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to come to it in Ozymandias and  have him say it out of vile hatred.

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He basically murders him in that scene.

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Hank dies, and Jesse dies to a certain degree.

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It was interesting to have those two moments.

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And while those moments were deliberate,

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the next plot point was changed  out of something unexpected.

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The original story never had  Walt roll his barrel of cash.

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It was only meant to be driven in his car.

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And, by the way, you know these barrels —

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I cannot tell you how much  time we spent talking about,

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"Will a barrel fit in the  back of this Chrysler 300?"

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And they're like, "No, it won't."

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But due to these concerns,

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an alternate version of the story was drafted

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where Walt unloads it and rolls  it through the wilderness instead.

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And I wrote it a whole other way  because they said it wouldn't fit.

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But when they actually tested  it, the barrel did in fact fit.

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I would have never in a million years  thought it would fit in the back seat.

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But we couldn't get it in the trunk.

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So, we'd had a version where he unloads it,

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and — but then we'd — like, you know —

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if he unloads it, how's he going to  roll the barrel through the wilderness?

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The script was rewritten to  have Walt run out of gas.

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It makes sense why they wanted  to keep the barrel rolling in.

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Not only is it the perfect  representation of his collapsed empire,

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but I think it also mirrors  this scene from season one,

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reminding us that every time  Walt takes one step forward,

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he clumsily takes two steps back,

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often harming the very family  he was trying to provide for.

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You tell him, or I will.

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There is no way around this.

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Well, and this is one of the last moments  for Walter Jr. to enjoy his innocence.

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Fear.

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Yeah.

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That literally is the last time  we ever see Walter Jr. happy.

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Yeah.

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No more happiness.

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This is what Skyler's been trying  to avoid ever since she found out.

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What Walt does is this moment  where Walter Jr. is going to know,

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and the family's never going to be the same.

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This is her biggest fear.

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You're completely out of your mind.

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This is still awkward to me.

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I — even — I've been working on  the show for as long as I have,

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it's still weird to me to see it,

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and to see all of it come into play.

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It's rough trying to bring  this type of emotion to life,

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and going through all this —

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how depressingly sad this is.

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It's — it's still a joy,

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and — and all the chaos of  filming these types of scenes —

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it's still so much fun.

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This scene sets up one of the most emotionally  intense moments in the entire series.

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You killed Hank.

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What?

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No.

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No, get out.

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How much of this stuff came up  with a stunt man and a stunt woman?

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Only — only the hit on the floor.

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Only when they tumble to the floor.

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Bryan and Anna did all this stuff in the hallway.

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They choreographed it, had it all worked out.

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It's just when they fall to the floor.

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And this is another callback moment,

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because what she is about to reach for

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is the same knife that Walt  is holding in season two

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when he's worried that the bad guys are coming.

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It's this very knife.

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Walt becomes the very danger to his family

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that he was trying to protect them from all along.

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In that moment, he realizes it.

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And so do we, the viewers,

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who — probably for the first time in the series —

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can truly sympathize with Skyler.

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Please, please —

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and maybe even the actress who plays her.

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There's a scene where Anna has to break down,

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and it was also a very physically difficult scene,

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because it was — it was  cold outside in the street.

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She has to run out and,  like, fall down to her knees.

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There are days when the residual  emotions — certainly it stays with you,

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and having children has helped a lot,

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because I really do have to go  home and be present for my kids.

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Um — so I've learned to —  to change hats, as it were.

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It was a very, very painful character to play,

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and a very painful story to tell,

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but also, as an actor, you wait  for a story like this to tell.

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At the same time,

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so there's a lot of mixed emotions with it.

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On the day of shooting, snowfall  delayed the scene's production,

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meaning Gunn had to hold in all of the negative  energy she had tapped into for her performance,

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which only worsened her mental state.

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Sometimes what happens as an actor

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is you get to the moment when  it's time to give it over,

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and your body says, "I don't want to.

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I don't want to."

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Because it's scary.

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Rian came up to me after the  first few passes and said,

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"Listen, Annie, you don't have to worry  about falling down to the street."

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And I said, "I'm just scared."

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And he said, "Yeah, okay. Okay."

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I think he just knew that I needed somebody

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to essentially take my hand — in  essence — to say, "You're safe."

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And I came away with it just with so  much respect for Anna Gunn as an actor.

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She's extraordinary.

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Your job as a director is to give  the actors whatever they need

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to go to the places that they need to go.

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Wherever Anna took that character in that scene,

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that's entirely Anna's work.

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The episode is filled with  heavy emotion from the actors.

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And amazingly, one of the best  examples was the baby who plays Holly.

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I was changing this baby,

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and the one word that Mo knew at the time — mama.

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It just crushed me.

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The baby's mother was on set  when this scene was shot,

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standing just off screen.

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They locked eyes for a moment,

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and she said the word "mama."

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And Bryan comes over, and he said to me,

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"Is it okay if I don't cry here?

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I don't think there's any more tears."

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And Andy, our camera operator,

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he's got this 35-pound Arriflex.

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He's leaning over this baby,

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and Andy starts crying into  — you know — his eyepiece,

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and his tears are coming down his face.

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The unplanned moment had crushing emotional weight

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and was the perfect lead  into what would happen next.

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What the hell is wrong with you?

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Why can't you do one thing?

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I say — there's been debate among  fans about whether Walt's call

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was genuine hatred or a calculated  ploy to protect his family,

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which is a testament to both  the writing and the acting.

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And I think about the phone  call with Skyler in season five,

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when he's like, "You never believed in me."

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"Oh, no, Walt.

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Walt, you have to stop.

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You have to stop this.

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It's immoral.

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It's illegal" —

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which he's doing partly as a show,

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'cause he knows, like, the  FBI is listening, right?

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It's part act, but it's part really, really true.

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Like — he is a resentful — [ __ ] me alone.

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Nobody else.

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And then the third element of that

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is to protect her —

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to say, "You never believed in me.

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You were never part of this."

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You know, to say you will not be hounded for this.

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But I also loved how much  truth there was in it, too.

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That's how clever he was.

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And the writing is so clever,

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because lesser writing would have not  allowed both of those realities to be true.

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So, I don't know how you do it,

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'cause your mouth is saying one thing,

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and your face is saying another thing.

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Your mouth is — is sounding like  the most evil guy in the world,

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and your face is — is looking  so regretful and sad and hurt.

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On first watch, it's easy  to see it as pure cruelty,

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but Walley-Beckett felt differently,

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stating that she felt it wasn't  really open to interpretation.

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I would hope that people got that it  was an absolute ploy on Walter's part.

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It is the family man part of Walt

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playing the part of Heisenberg  to exonerate Skyler.

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Oh, and if you're one of the many fans  who hated on Skyler — well, congrats.

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You, among the others, impacted  the writing of this scene.

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In the words of Walley-Beckett,

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"I think it would have been  impossible for me to separate it out,

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because we've all been so surprised and  disappointed by the Skyler backlash.

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The Skyler haters didn't hate her  with any kind of logic or empathy

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or exploration of what she was really enduring

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and what she was really saying to Walt."

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While this scene is probably one  of the most memorable to fans,

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the very first scene of the episode was  something the actors would never forget.

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Ozymandias opens on a flashback of Walter  and Jesse's very first cook years earlier,

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requiring both actors to look like  their season one selves again.

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This scene was the very final scene  that we shot of the whole series.

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They saved it for the final day.

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I mean, because I had a serious beard,

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I had to shave my goatee.

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Aaron was just walking around  with a mantra of depression —

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"This is horrible.

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This is awful."

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And he'd look like this.

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I have such a personal  relationship with Jesse Pinkman,

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and I love him dearly.

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And it's sad to me that — that I  will never play Jesse Pinkman again.

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When you're a part of  something special for so long,

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it's never easy when it ends.

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Ironically, the fact that nothing lasts forever

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is central to the theme of the  episode and its titular inspiration.

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"Ozymandias" is a poem that  I've loved since high school.

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What I think it says

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is that we human beings like to see ourselves

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as being remembered long after our  deaths through our works and our deeds.

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And Walter White, unfortunately, has chosen  bad works and misdeeds, on some level.

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Does he want to be remembered for that?

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And will he be remembered for that?

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The one thing that will be remembered

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is a show that transcended cinematic boundaries.

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This is the greatest experience of our lives,

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and the life-changing impression  it left on its creators.

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You truly have made me become such a better actor,

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and — uh — uh — I truly believe a better person.

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So, thank you.

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Oh, I just — I — I love you, man.

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You know.

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Oh, god damn it.

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Um — I love you, man.

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I'm Adam.

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This is ScreenPuff.

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If you enjoyed watching this  as much as I enjoyed making it,

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check out this next video.

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And, as always, thank you for watching.

Interactive Summary

Esta análise detalha a produção do icônico episódio 'Ozymandias' de Breaking Bad, destacando a intensidade emocional das atuações, as decisões criativas dos bastidores, as condições desafiadoras de filmagem e o profundo impacto que o encerramento da série teve no elenco e na equipe técnica.

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