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When you're fired off your own movie... but at least your replacement has a sense of humor about it

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0:00

Ha! Boom baby!

0:02

Ah, good, nothing.

0:04

This is the original version

0:06

of The Emperor's New Groove.

0:08

Oh, wow.

0:08

Is that like a tattoo?

0:10

And although it has small traces

0:12

of the final version...

0:14

Hey, don't touch.

0:16

Woah! No touchy.

0:17

It was a disaster

0:20

after six years of rewrites.

0:23

So much of the movie isn't working.

0:25

Burnouts.

0:26

Part of me just wants to give up

0:27

and say, you know, forget it.

0:29

And firings.

0:31

I was up half the night

0:32

just sort of grieving over this whole thing.

0:34

How do you start a movie

0:35

over from scratch?

0:37

Oh yeah, it's all coming together.

0:39

And make an all-time classic.

0:41

Bring it on.

0:42

In a third of the time.

0:44

How did we Kronk?

0:46

Well, you got me.

0:47

By all accounts, it doesn't make sense.

0:51

It's been declared Disney's best yet

0:53

and a triumph.

0:55

Now the most acclaimed film of the year.

0:57

Following the massive success of The Lion King,

1:01

Disney decided they needed another musical epic

1:04

to follow it up.

1:05

So, they brought in The Lion King's co-director,

1:09

Roger Allers.

1:11

After Lion King, I was told,

1:13

"How about developing a story

1:14

about South American culture?"

1:16

I looked at them and I said,

1:17

"Oh, the Incas."

1:18

So, I gathered a crew to do the picture,

1:21

inspired by a setting like Machu Picchu.

1:24

The mythic aspect of the Inca culture

1:25

is important to me.

1:26

I'd love to get something of the essence,

1:27

it does have to do with their gods and the sun.

1:30

It's a story about Pacha,

1:31

a llama herder.

1:32

He loves the sun.

1:33

He believes there's always a way

1:34

to bring light into any situation.

1:36

There's Manco,

1:36

the arrogant, self-centered prince.

1:38

And Pacha comes to the city,

1:39

and when he's put into a position of leadership,

1:42

he transforms the city.

1:43

It's about a common man

1:44

teaching an arrogant man how to rule.

1:46

When I pitched the original story

1:48

that I had cooked up to Michael Eisner,

1:50

he said it has all the elements

1:53

of a classic Disney film.

1:56

Disney gave it the green light

1:58

and called it Kingdom of the Sun.

2:04

Kingdom of the Sun was this really cool,

2:07

epic Disney musical.

2:09

It was epic.

2:10

It was big.

2:11

Lots of elements.

2:12

It wasn't comedy focused.

2:15

It wasn't that type of film.

2:17

It was big drama, big spectacle.

2:21

It's like a Beauty and the Beast,

2:23

or a Mermaid,

2:23

or that type of thing.

2:24

The studio really opened up

2:26

and said we don't want to keep making

2:28

the same sort of film,

2:31

and have given the people in the studio

2:33

a lot of artistic license

2:35

to try different sorts of stories.

2:38

But with that artistic license

2:40

came lots of complications.

2:44

The first of which was the plot.

2:46

What we're grappling with at the moment

2:47

is that we have a lot of elements

2:49

in this story.

2:50

Much like Emperor's New Groove,

2:53

Kingdom of the Sun had an arrogant emperor,

2:56

a humble llama herder,

2:57

and an evil sorceress,

2:59

but a ton of plot differences.

3:02

For example, in Kingdom of the Sun,

3:05

Yzma's big evil scheme  involved blocking out the sun

3:08

by summoning the god of death,

3:11

not just turning Kuzco into a llama.

3:14

And the plot wasn't the only difficulty.

3:17

It's a complicated movie

3:18

because all the departments

3:20

are working simultaneously.

3:21

The production crew took a research trip to Peru

3:24

to study the Inca architecture and landscape.

3:27

And while seemingly beneficial,

3:29

it only added to the story's growing complexity.

3:32

One of my biggest faults

3:34

was to try to pull all  these different elements in,

3:37

you know, the mysticism,

3:38

you know, the funny villain,

3:40

the, you know, all of this,

3:41

trying to make all these things

3:42

into a rich soup or whatever.

3:44

And maybe I tried to hold on

3:46

to too many ingredients.

3:47

It's very hard for one guy Phil

3:48

to give all the answers he has to.

3:50

The day isn't long enough.

3:52

When the movie's narrative became too unruly,

3:55

the team decided to unify it

3:57

around its initial inspiration,

3:59

The Prince and the Pauper,

4:01

a novel about two identical looking boys,

4:05

one rich, one poor,

4:06

who switch lives.

4:08

I bet we're distant cousins

4:09

cuz we look exactly alike.

4:11

Pacha talks his way out of being killed

4:12

by saying, "Let's switch places

4:14

because we look exactly alike."

4:15

And of course, everything goes wrong from there,

4:17

but they switch places

4:19

just like the Prince and the Pauper do.

4:20

But even with the refocusing,

4:22

the film would only become more ambitious,

4:25

and they still had to figure out the casting.

4:31

I talked to Roger,

4:32

and we wanted me to do

4:34

the comedy sidekick character.

4:36

They're called Huaca,

4:37

a little stone figure,

4:39

and at the time I came on,

4:42

Garry Marshall was the voice.

4:43

Gambling.

4:44

That's why people come here.

4:46

They gamble.

4:47

As they continued through it, they realized,

4:50

okay, we just don't like this.

4:53

It's not working for us.

4:55

It needs to be different.

4:56

So, they started to look into

4:59

different voice talents and things like that.

5:02

We went through a bunch.

5:03

Uh, we went through Peter Ustinov.

5:06

Same faces, same noses, all green.

5:11

Nobody liked that.

5:12

So, that was out.

5:14

And then they settled on Harvey Fierstein.

5:17

Honey, I'm so happy.

5:19

And that's the one we were working on.

5:23

Why didn't I think of that?

5:24

You know what?

5:24

I will just walk out there

5:26

and I'll tell those 50,000 people

5:28

now you come back tomorrow.

5:29

For reasons we'll discuss a little later,

5:32

the character was scrapped

5:34

and Fierstein was out.

5:36

As for the main cast,

5:37

Disney locked in three big names.

5:40

David Spade.

5:41

I can't believe I've been here this long

5:43

and no one's kissed my feet.

5:45

Eartha Kitt.

5:46

The prince.

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I told you he's dead.

5:50

And the biggest name

5:51

that didn't make it into the final film,

5:54

Owen Wilson.

5:55

Oh, I've got one of those, too.

5:56

But mine sort of looks like a moon.

5:57

See right there?

5:58

In addition to Eartha Kitt,

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the most important thing

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that survived till the final version

6:04

was David Spade.

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And not just his voice.

6:08

Boo is similar to me.

6:10

He's kind of a brat.

6:12

There you go.

6:13

Yeah.

6:13

Could you write something funny?

6:14

Sure.

6:14

There's something funny.

6:15

Yeah, that's very clever.

6:17

Jay Leno makes a smiley face.

6:18

Find him.

6:19

No, you threw off my groove.

6:22

I'm sorry, but you've thrown off

6:24

the emperor's groove.

6:25

They also film me when I record,

6:26

so they get a lot of my Elvis moves

6:29

when I talk.

6:31

What I love about Yzma

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is that she's a classic Disney villain,

6:35

big scale villain,

6:36

and she's operatic.

6:38

She's over the top.

6:39

Eartha Kitt brought such an eccentric quality

6:41

to that character.

6:42

She said, you know,

6:43

that she loves to play

6:44

that sort of wild diva role.

6:48

I adore her because she goes after

6:50

what she said.

6:52

While the casting was crucial

6:53

to the film's identity,

6:55

like any Disney movie,

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so was the music.

7:02

In 1997, I was approached

7:04

by the Walt Disney Company

7:06

to write songs for an animated feature

7:08

called The Kingdom of the Sun.

7:11

I was deeply flattered.

7:12

You know, I mean, Disney films

7:13

have been in my life

7:14

since I saw Sleeping Beauty.

7:16

Since the story was all over the place,

7:19

Sting was hesitant to commit to the film,

7:22

which was far more warranted

7:24

than any hesitancy to hit that subscribe button.

7:27

My only concern ever about Sting had been,

7:30

is he too sophisticated?

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His music is very complex,

7:32

and would it be able to integrate well

7:35

into an animated story.

7:37

They hadn't really settled on a script.

7:39

I was writing songs in the dark,

7:41

really based on sort of hearsay

7:45

of what the film was going to be.

7:47

There was no hard script.

7:49

He eventually agreed to participate,

7:51

but only on the condition

7:52

that his wife, Trudie Styler,

7:54

could tag along

7:55

and film a documentary

7:57

about the film's production.

7:59

Hi, I'm Trudie.

8:01

I'll play the guitar.

8:02

You do what you do.

8:04

Clearly, she didn't realize

8:05

the tumultuousness

8:07

that she'd be capturing.

8:08

You just be a tinsy winsy little bit

8:10

more obnoxious and on camera.

8:13

And everything would come to a head

8:15

when executives finally saw  a screening of the film.

8:22

Screening the movie like this

8:23

is having someone chop your hands off

8:25

and pull your pants down

8:26

in front of a crowd,

8:27

and you stand there with stumps bleeding,

8:29

incapable of pulling your pants back up.

8:31

I'm sat in this meeting right now,

8:33

and that's kind of determined the fate

8:35

of Brooklyn Project.

8:36

For me, so much of the movie isn't working.

8:39

I just don't know who I'm supposed to care about,

8:42

what I'm watching.

8:43

The pace seems really, really wacky,

8:47

like just so lean,

8:49

and I'm not having much fun.

8:50

Multiple reworks were attempted by the team,

8:53

but they just weren't enough

8:55

to salvage the movie,

8:56

especially since it was already

8:58

so far along in production.

9:00

If none of the outlines strike Peter as brilliant,

9:05

then they might completely shelve the project.

9:09

Instead, the producers made an unusual decision.

9:12

They split the production into two teams.

9:15

One led by Allers,

9:17

which focused on the movie's original story,

9:19

and another led by co-director Mark Dindal,

9:22

which worked on a comedic version of the film.

9:25

By this point, Allers had been struggling

9:27

on the project for 4 years.

9:30

I sort of feel like I'm standing here

9:31

with fragments of confetti

9:35

falling through my fingers.

9:36

I was up half the night

9:37

just sort of grieving over this whole thing.

9:41

He was ultimately removed from the project.

9:44

With the film's original architect gone,

9:47

the plot was uncertain,

9:49

and so was the music.

9:56

Now I hear that they want to change the script.

9:58

So it makes all the characters and the plot

10:01

and everything that songs

10:02

have been written around,

10:04

moves.

10:04

Constant rewrites made it difficult for Sting

10:07

to capture the film's emotional tone.

10:10

And despite repeated objections,

10:12

executives didn't listen.

10:15

Filmmakers want everything short and punchy,

10:19

but songs have to have a certain amount of time

10:21

to breathe,

10:22

and they have to have their structure intact.

10:25

This organization seems to want

10:27

to take the best of different cultures,

10:29

suck them up,

10:30

and then spit them out

10:31

into something that's like a hamburger.

10:33

It's really not what I want to do.

10:35

I don't think this is what  they want to do, really.

10:37

Sting eventually had enough

10:40

and gave Disney an ultimatum,

10:42

writing a letter

10:43

essentially threatening to quit

10:45

if the story didn't stay true

10:46

to its original message.

10:48

Gentlemen, I have achieved genuine human values.

10:51

You don't need a theme park or a water slide.

10:54

I've been aware for a while now

10:55

that my vision of the world

10:56

and Disney's may be at odds.

10:58

I can only be candid,

10:59

but there's something intrinsically faulty

11:01

with this film,

11:02

and I find it very difficult

11:03

to continue working on something

11:05

that goes against my beliefs.

11:07

I offer my views humbly,

11:08

and I look forward to your response.

11:10

I read it, I went,

11:11

"Oh, this is a really good note."

11:13

The thought occurs.

11:14

Ironically, Sting was arguing

11:16

against the new direction,

11:18

which would culminate in an all-time classic,

11:21

but not before it was dead.

11:23

Upper management had problems.

11:25

So, they shut down the picture.

11:28

They just shut it down.

11:29

Disney executives had enough.

11:31

She's going down.

11:32

The movie was halted for 6 months.

11:35

Ultimately, the studio couldn't afford

11:37

to have sunk so much money into a project

11:40

just to throw it out entirely.

11:43

So, they demanded a full rebuild.

11:46

Most of Sting's music was cut,

11:49

and a new plot was demanded.

11:52

This time under even higher pressure.

11:58

Deadlines start to get real.

12:00

The release date coming at you like a brick wall.

12:04

Everybody's killing themselves now

12:06

to get it done.

12:07

It's like, how long is this going to take?

12:08

And I'm thinking,

12:10

I'm here 72 hours a week, buddy.

12:13

You know, drawing this stuff.

12:15

You come in for 3 hours

12:16

and you're complaining.

12:17

Give me a break.

12:18

There's sort of a molding, shaping stages.

12:21

Our story guy sort of came up with another idea,

12:24

that the story ought to be simple enough

12:25

to really have time

12:26

to get to know the characters

12:27

and their personalities,

12:28

and that's where the humor will evolve from.

12:30

And just do a blue sky thing.

12:32

Just try some crazy stuff

12:34

off the top of your heads.

12:36

So they came up with an  entirely different storyline,

12:39

except that it involves a prince

12:42

who becomes a llama.

12:43

What was originally conceived

12:45

as a period piece epic

12:47

turned into a buddy road-trip comedy.

12:49

I would say it was probably

12:50

one of the most drastic pivots

12:52

in Disney animated film history.

12:55

Several things have happened.

12:56

We changed the name of our film

12:58

from Kingdom of the Sun

12:59

to Kingdom in the Sun.

13:01

We also have a year and a half now

13:03

to do the film.

13:04

So, it's not a time for faint hearts.

13:07

Where animation technology stood in the '90s,

13:10

that was not a lot of time.

13:13

And although you can only hand-draw

13:15

2D animation so fast,

13:18

the writing team was pushed

13:19

to make up that time.

13:21

I wrote the whole scene,

13:22

that whole dinner party scene,

13:23

in 15 minutes.

13:26

Hey, did you see that sky today?

13:28

Talk about blue.

13:29

Peter Schneider, the head of the studio,

13:30

just burst out laughing,

13:32

and everybody laughed.

13:33

And then at the end of it,

13:34

Tom Schumacher just turned to me and goes,

13:35

"Well, Dave, looks like you saved your character."

13:41

The comedic direction was now validated,

13:44

but the rest of the plot

13:45

still needed to be reworked.

13:47

I heard that MO was going to be

13:49

the main character of the movie,

13:51

that Pacha was out of the movie,

13:53

that they changed the setting of the movie

13:55

from Peru to Nebraska,

13:56

and they were all going to be sheep

13:57

instead of llamas.

13:59

The original plot followed Manco and Pacha

14:01

as they live the other's life

14:03

and work to defeat Yzma,

14:05

who threatens to block out the sun

14:07

to prevent herself from aging.

14:10

Not only was the story thrown out,

14:12

but so was the idea for one of the characters.

14:15

We have a new Pacha.

14:16

The old Pacha was 16 years old.

14:19

This one's now 45.

14:20

He's big.

14:21

He's a big farmer with big hands.

14:23

There are sort of like two storylines

14:24

going on at one time,

14:25

which is the Pacha-Kuzco storyline.

14:28

Then there's sort of like a B storyline,

14:29

which is Yzma and Kronk the villains.

14:31

The biggest difference

14:32

in the Kingdom in the Sun version

14:34

from the Emperor's New Groove version

14:36

was that in the second act,

14:38

Kuzco stayed in Pacha's village.

14:41

They didn't go on the road back to the palace.

14:43

It wasn't a road movie yet.

14:44

So instead it was like an episode

14:47

of the Andy Griffith Show,

14:49

or The Office, or something,

14:50

where you just meet

14:51

a bunch of weird eccentric characters.

14:53

Since Pacha was 45 instead of 16,

14:57

Owen Wilson was no longer a fit,

14:59

so he was fired,

15:00

and a much warmer, mature voice

15:02

was brought in.

15:03

John Goodman brought such a warmth

15:07

to the Pacha character.

15:08

Pacha is just a big, burly,

15:10

good-looking, dependable family man.

15:13

It's unlike any other feature

15:15

I've ever seen before.

15:16

It's just so different and so good.

15:19

Dad, I ate a bug today.

15:21

Oh, was mom baking again?

15:23

Don't tell her I said that.

15:24

But the one character that to me

15:27

takes the film beyond hilarity

15:30

is Kronk.

15:35

If you're thinking,

15:37

"Where have I heard this voice?"

15:39

Well, you might be hearing this.

15:41

Is it weird that we're in a group text

15:42

with our friend's wife,

15:44

but not our friend?

15:45

Or this character from Ted,

15:47

who's actually a lot like

15:49

the dim-witted Kronk.

15:50

My longest relationship was like 6 months,

15:52

and then she farted in her sleep.

15:54

I'm like, I'm out of here, man.

15:55

We have this beefcake character named Kronk.

15:58

He's basically Yzma's boyfriend.

16:06

What about dinner?

16:07

First, I started playing him off

16:09

as a sort of vain character,

16:11

and I think he's just more of a lovable,

16:13

hunky type of character.

16:15

Kronk replaced Huaca,

16:17

the scrapped character mentioned earlier

16:19

as Yzma's stooge.

16:21

Fun fact, Huaca's design

16:23

can be seen in this scene here

16:25

as an Easter egg.

16:26

You know, instead of making them dark like that,

16:29

I thought, you know,

16:29

maybe he likes to cook spinach puffs.

16:33

Be a shame, working on this dinner.

16:36

That's where he came from, you know,

16:37

down here,

16:39

as opposed to up here.

16:43

All the elements of the film

16:44

were coming into place.

16:46

And even when the plot didn't make sense,

16:49

they stole an old trick from Monty Python,

16:51

when suddenly the animator

16:53

suffered a fatal heart attack.

16:56

The cartoon peril was no more,

16:58

and wrote the plot imperfection

17:00

into the film.

17:01

How did you get back here before us?

17:03

You got me.

17:04

By all accounts, it doesn't make sense.

17:06

While the original version of the movie failed

17:09

despite constant care, effort,

17:11

and poring over every detail,

17:14

there is an opposing philosophy

17:15

that when life gets hard,

17:18

care less about it.

17:20

This movie, there was no script,

17:22

which is really rare today.

17:24

We would just come to work and go,

17:25

"Okay, so what's the next scene?"

17:27

There's something to be said

17:28

about taking a carefree approach

17:30

to one's endeavors,

17:32

especially creative ones.

17:34

If you're not so hung up on the result,

17:37

you just might get the best possible one.

17:40

I'm Adam.

17:42

This is Spinach Puff.

17:43

I mean, ScreenPuff.

17:45

If you liked this, check out this next video.

17:48

And as always,

17:49

thank you for watching.

Interactive Summary

The production of Disney's 'The Emperor's New Groove' was a notoriously turbulent process. Originally conceived as a serious, epic musical titled 'Kingdom of the Sun' directed by Roger Allers, the project suffered from massive story complications, creative disagreements, and character struggles. After years of development, the film was nearly canceled until it was completely overhauled into a comedic buddy-road-trip film. By embracing a more spontaneous and lighthearted approach, the team successfully transformed the failing project into an acclaimed, beloved classic.

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