I don't think Joe Rogan's some evil guy.

If you're getting 82 million, you have

to do a lot better.

Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York

Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast

Network. I'm Carara Swisser and once

again, it's time for

Scott August.

That's right, Scott Free August is well

underway. And for my guest co-host

today, I brought in another one of Scott

Galloway's heroes, comedian, television

host, seventime New York Times

best-selling author, Chelsea Handler.

>> Oh, Cara, it's so nice to be with you.

I'm so happy.

>> I'm so happy to be with you. I have to

tell you, um, how much comfort you guys

have provided me in in this during this

administration. And yeah, I just love

tuning in. I love how reasonable you

are. I love how you are able to insult

people but remain on good terms with

them.

>> Some of them. Some of them, not all.

>> I love I love your pragmatism and uh I

just I just really appreciate having

something a safe space to tune into when

I really feel uh distressed and because

you always seem to feel

>> uh like there's a sense of optimism and

I think that's because you have young

children. So, you have to be optimistic.

>> I have to be. I absolutely have to be. I

actually am. I actually am. I am a I'm a

student of history, so I know that all

things all things come to an end. I'm a

student of death.

>> I cannot wait for this all to come to an

end. Let's Let's make it happen.

>> Let's make it happen. And does this

apply to Scott, too, or

>> No, I love Scott. I have a very soft

spot for Scott. While Scott can be

slightly um what's the word? [laughter]

>> What is the word?

>> What is the word? It's it's a brotherly

kind of feeling I get from him when when

you want him to stop it as you do quite

often on the podcast.

>> Yeah. Don't be such a nitwit.

>> It can be sometimes he can have this

sense of this irritation but then the

minute he's gone you miss him. You know

what I mean? It's a it's a pull push

pull. He says things and you're like,

"Okay, come on. Stop it already. You're

feeling yourself. We get it."

>> But then when he's gone immediately

you're like, "I want Scott back."

>> Yes, that's true. And also just for

people to know, Chelsea always texts me

anytime Scott says a word she doesn't

like. What is the word you hate the

most?

>> Well, it's not that. Listen, I just when

people are super educated and they use

terms like anyways, I find that to be a

problem like problematic. [laughter]

I I find it to be lazy way of speaking.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You don't like anyways.

>> Anyways is just so lazy. Anyways, anyway

is actually lazy. you don't just move on

to the next topic. You don't even have

to say anyway as applause or whatever it

is. But yeah, I find some words I I when

he says that I just always because Scott

is so smart and I look up to him

>> and um physically I mean literally and

figuratively. So it is it's

disappointing when he uses it so often

and frequently. And thank you for

letting your audience know how I feel

about [laughter]

>> Well, I like grammar people. I do enjoy

all your grammatical corrections and

words. No, I'm not always right, but I

am a grimarian. I really love language

meanings

>> and I love etmology and I love

understanding words and how to use them

properly. I'm learning Spanish right

now, so I'm on a whole new trajectory of

learning words and and that. So, yeah, I

respect people who really respect

language because we're losing it. What

is the word that you have an issue that

he uses? Menacious.

>> Menacious. He doesn't use it correctly.

He doesn't use it. He It's a great word.

>> It's but sometimes he uses it

incorrectly. So, it's that that's all

right. It's just my wife does that. She

that's her word drives her crazy because

it's a word cuz she likes the word. It's

a great word.

>> It is a great word. And I also am more

forgiving for using a great word

slightly incorrectly rather than using a

word that doesn't exist.

>> And I like that he uses it mendacious

[ __ ] I think that works. Okay, that one

that was that's a great way to do it.

But, you know, Spencer Pratt just

insulted Scott's intelligence, which we

push back against. I heard that on your

last podcast when Scott was here. Yeah,

Spencer Pratt is no longer in our

zeitgeist, so we don't have to worry

about him anymore.

>> I don't know. I think he'll be back,

Chelsea.

>> I don't think so. I'm going to predict

before the predictions that Spencer

Pratt is gone forever. [laughter]

>> Gone forever? I don't know. He was at

the White House recently, but you know,

so were a lot.

>> So were a lot of people. I I saw Peter

Navaro was still hanging around the

White House. I was like, "Who him

again?"

>> Well, hopefully he was in the reflecting

pool taking a swim. No, he faced down.

No, he was not. Before we get into it,

anything serious, I have to talk to you

about your summer vacation cuz you put

up a nine slide Instagram carousel,

which I loved late last month about

rules for family vacation season. Let me

read an excerpt. Our family is

dysfunctional and that is uh and that is

what families are. What we need to work

on, however, is manners. There is a

definite shortfall of manners on this

trip and I left this trip feeling

embarrassed and taken advantage of. What

happened? I love this. I love your

entire memo.

>> Well, thank you. Um, I want to first say

that I wrote this uh in my last book

which came out a couple of years ago.

So, this is an older letter. It's not a

newer letter, but what happened when I

did write this letter in real time

because a lot of people were like, why

would you share something like this

publicly? And and you know, my answer to

that is always why wouldn't I? Uh, but

>> beautifully written.

>> Thank you. Thank you. It was post

therapy, so I definitely had some skills

that I hadn't had before when writing

that letter. But also, um, I had sent

that letter to two women who were

mothers to get their feedback, uh, at

the time that I wrote it to see if it

was toned correctly, you know, and, you

know, everything. And, uh, or the tenor

was was appropriate. And, uh, and they

were both asked if they could take the

letter and send it to some of their

friends, and they would take my name off

of the letter. And I was like, okay. And

they're like, this is an amazing letter.

you you should definitely send this to

your family. So, I gave them permission

to share that letter. And about nine

months later, I got the letter sent to

me from a friend who didn't know that I

had written it.

>> Oh, wow.

>> And she said, "I just read this thing.

It's so perfect. You have to send this

to your family." [laughter]

>> Okay.

>> I was like, "Oh my god, it's been around

the world in 30 days." I like, "I I

wrote this letter." And she's like, "No,

you didn't." I go, "Yes, I wrote this

letter. It's in coming out in my book.

So,

>> and it's about my family, right?

>> And it's about my family. And because of

that response and because of the re the

realization that the impact that it had

on so many people who felt similarly, I

I just thought, "Oh, this will help more

people than it will hurt." My family had

already read the letter, so they and

it's old news, so we're not still upset

about it. What caused you to write it in

the first place? I mean, I I what I

thought when I heard it, I was like in

great, you know, when you when you're

throwing up when I I often pay for

vacations, too, with the family. And I'm

always like, why am I cleaning up or why

am I why aren't you making your bed or

why, you know, that kind of stuff. And I

use the term ingrates. Everyone thinks

it's funny when I say it, but I'm like

in great all of you. Um, and it kind of

had that tone in a good way. What what

would what caused you to write it?

Because my big thing is when my kids are

not and they are very polite to people

who work for us or we hire cleaning

people or that if that ever happens I

lose my mind. It doesn't my my oldest

son is extraordinarily polite to people

who work for us uh and we hire. Um but

it's a really big deal for me that

really when I read that part I was like

oh I don't like that at all.

>> Well that is it. That's what it comes

down to. It's like how are you parented?

who told you that, you know, that you

didn't have to say hello and thank you

and please and all of the things. So, it

was just kind of like I got excited. I

went a little too hard, too fast with my

family. You know, I wanted to share my

everything I have with my family, with

all my nieces and nephews and my

brothers and sisters and their spouses.

I was just always I'm a generous person.

I always want to share and invite them

and take them on these great adventures.

And I just overdid it clearly and the

they they became accustomed um to it. A

costume brace in espanol. [laughter] A

costume bar. I just learned that word.

They just became used to it without the

understanding of what it costs, what it

takes. It's a choice I make. It's I work

really hard to pay for these things. And

your your um your acclamation to it is a

little bit too cozy.

>> The acclamation is fast, isn't it? I

said literally to my youngest son, this

all he's for. And he threw something and

I go, "Do you cost me to pay for that?"

Like, you and he looked at me. I'm like,

"No, you don't. But you will."

>> No, no,

>> but you shall. You shall be one of you

will. But also, and not in a way to be

like, I I'm a hero. I'm saving my

family. I'm the best. It's not about

that. It's about the way you are

treating everybody and the way that you

are being gracious, you know. Uh, I

would never be a guest in someone's I

don't even like to be guests in other

people's places or houses. It's not my

favorite thing. I have a great family.

We have a lot of good times. So, yeah,

>> I'm grateful for that and I don't want

to lose that and I just had to figure

out how to recalibrate that so

>> everybody's not getting it twisted.

[laughter]

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you could just do

like I do, run around the house and yell

in great all the time. Um, so you joined

us last year on live pivot tour. We were

in LA and thank you for doing that. and

you were about to head out to

Antarctica. Uh, and that trip gave you

some material for a tour you're

currently on called the High and Mighty

Tour. Explain your tour. It's like you

added like a million and a 100 cities.

>> Well, we just we do it we do it in

phases. So, you're always adding a

second leg to your tour. You know, when

you're a comedian, you do leg one, leg

two. So, the High and Mighty tour is a

feel-good, happy vibe tour to make sure

everybody knows that there are there are

alternatives to dealing with the reality

we're living in. And the biggest one

being LSD and micro doing. Um, there are

a lot of, as you covered a lot in your

CNN series, um, I you know, there are a

lot of alternatives to dealing with this

24-hour a day news cycle. And I have had

to become healthy in my thought process

and in the way I go about dealing with

this administration the second time

around. The first time they stole my joy

and they stole my life and I, you know,

I let it go and I was like, they're not

doing that again. And

>> and they're 10 times worse actually.

>> 10 times worse. But my joy, like my joy

is not for sale and it's not it's not up

for grabs. And also, it's a

responsibility as a comedian, and I say

this very seriously, to provide a really

good [ __ ] time for other people while

we're all dealing with this. And so, I

take that as a professional

responsibility. One of [clears throat]

my many professional responsibilities is

to make sure people are having a good

time, to remind people about humanity.

When you're sitting in an audience

sitting next to a stranger that you've

never met and you're laughing so hard

that your shoulders are rubbing, that's

a great reminder of the fact that we're

all in this together. But you don't

ignore it either. You don't you're not

one like first you're not a bummer. And

second of all, you don't you are kind

you are a real news junkie in a lot of

ways. Like you do pay attention to

everything pretty much.

>> Yes, I do. But I don't let it drive me

in the way that I let it drive me into a

hole. the first administration, right?

You know,

>> so LSD is the answer to this or what?

>> Well, that is one answer to be honest,

Cara, micro doing LSD. You know, I moved

into my house in Whistler. I bought this

little ski chalet in Whistler when COVID

happened and I had to escape my family

and I bought this little chalet on

FaceTime because I wanted to learn how

to ski. I'm like, if the borders are

going to shut down, I'm going to go

skiing and make a something good out of

this horror show.

>> You're going to Maria Vontrop this

thing. Yeah. So, I get into this house

that I rented in Whistler and I mean,

sorry, that I bought, right? I get in

and there's a manila envelope waiting

for me. And on the manila envelope, it's

from the previous owners and they were

like, "We were so excited when we found

out that you were buying our house that

we wanted to give you this gift. We make

this." And I opened it and it was 300

micro doses of LSD. And I was like, uh,

finally I had found my real family, you

know, like I I'm like, this is why I

love Canada. They're so civilized. You

know, people hear LSD and they think

about the 70s. It's not like that

anymore. It's therapeutic. It's helping

people with PTSD. It's helping vets. Um,

so I I'm very about, you know, finding

ways to make, you know, things better

when they seem [laughter] coping.

>> Yeah, absolutely. We all know alcohol is

terrible for you. So, um, there are

other alternatives out there as you've

discussed and I've discussed.

>> Mhm. So, you So, you did you enjoy the

LSD?

>> I I hand it out to anyone who will take

it. I gave bring it around people at my

shows. I get I mean, it's all around.

So, I nothing gives me more pleasure

than giving someone medicine and saying

report back and then following up with

my patients.

>> Yeah. I I'm not going to say which one

of my children had tried LSD in my

house, but it didn't last long, I can

tell you.

>> Well, I think you've spoken about that

before, and let's just hope it's not the

four-year-old.

>> Yeah, it's not the four-year-old.

>> Well, you're going to always have a

child like that. When you choose to have

so many children, Cara, something some

one's going to go one's going to go off.

One's going to go off. They're all

pretty good right now. They're all so

far so good. Let's talk a little bit

about your podcast because here you on a

podcast, Dear Chelsea, which you started

a few years ago and now streams on

Netflix and by the way, which Scott

predicted about a month before

>> that [clears throat] happened, he

predicted that iHeart podcasts were or

you know a bunch of podcasts were going

to go and be on Netflix,

>> right? You this is the full podcast

network with iHeart that you're you have

you have

>> bought a bunch.

>> Yeah, bought a bunch. Talk a little bit

about that. What the business strategy

behind that? And and it is it because

you saw how much money Joe Rogan was

making and figured you could do better

than 82 [laughter] million.

>> I don't make I don't make I don't make

$82 million a year. I don't think I've

ever made $82 million a year. If that's

the right figure for Joe Rogan and Mike,

first of all, I want to thank you for

bringing up Joe Rogan because I want to

clarify that or actually expound on

that. Um

>> Joe, like I don't think Joe Rogan's some

evil guy. You know what I mean? I don't

think that I've known Joe.

>> Explain what happened. explain what

happens so people know he

>> they were releasing how much money

podcasters were making and it said Joe

Rogan made $82 million um and I

commented something about that's a lot

of money for something to do with m the

misinformation that or being misinformed

and um and I don't think Joe Rogan is

like enemy number one I you know like I

just feel like I don't feel I know

because I've looked into this And you

know there's so much research about it

that this whole manosphere and this

whole uh this whole environment that is

built on social media it's like you go

in through one portal and you these

young boys are being fed over and over

and over again this information. So you

go into Joe Rogan who's got the biggest

platform in podcasting and has you know

is pretty responsible has one one of the

biggest factors in getting Donald Trump

elected has this platform and it would

really behoove us for him to use that

for good in this moment when there are

so many people who are you know former

Trump supporters who are ready to admit

how horribly wrong this has been going

and how horrible this administration has

been on multiple, you know, in multiple

ways. You know, there's Dave Smith,

there's Sean Strickland, those guys who

were former Trump uh uh supporters, but

there's also really great guys that are

standing up for the rights of women,

that are standing up for the rights of

the LGBT community, that are standing up

for people of color that you wouldn't

that would seemingly be Trump

supporters. There's people like Trey

Crowder, um, John Russell on Instagram,

Brian Andrews, and I want to shout these

guys out because they are sending such

positive messaging and they are talking

about this. You know, we're going to get

Todd Blanch. He's going to be confirmed

and what's he's going to overturn Roie

Wade. We're all sitting around, all

these men who have these powerful

platforms are sitting around wa watching

this happen to women, to communities

that you could instead be supporting.

You don't have to like turn over a whole

new leaf. It's just about being a decent

human being. You know, if I make a comp

a comment about Joe or one of those guy,

you know, Joe Rogan can lead. He's not

the worst version of anything. He's just

trying to be I think he's genuinely

trying to find out information. But when

you do mess up, like come on, you know,

that leads to guys going to the Fresh

and Fit podcast. that leads to guys

going to Andrew Tate which is the worst

you know version of that but and and not

comparing him to Joe it's not the same

thing but you get in this algorithm and

there have been so many studies that

show that these boys

>> Yes it goes from one thing to the next

>> they did this study where they gave boys

they they had blank phones and they

assigned them you know made them seem

like they were teenage boys phones and

within 23 minutes they're fed women

hating content how terrible women are

women are ruining your lives es these

people are taking your jobs. This is and

it's just hate, hate, hate, vitrial,

vitrial, vitrial. And so I would just

love for these guys to come full circle

and be like, "Hey, actually we don't

hate women. We we we don't want women's

rights to be taken away." Like that's

not that shouldn't be controversial, you

know? Like we're obviously the tenor of

things has gotten. So

>> you want him to do better. You want

>> I think he knows better now. million,

you have to do a lot better,

>> right? That comes with a big

responsibility. I take my responsibility

pretty, you know, major. Yeah. When

people are watching my stuff or my

comedy or coming Yeah. Maybe they're

getting fed things on being an

independent woman, you know. Oo. Like I

know that's also a problem for a lot of

these guys, but it shouldn't be. Why is

that a problem for you?

>> He doesn't seem too bothered, which

means he is bothered. He said he's

hugged you every time he's seen you.

Apparently, that's the test. and quote,

"I don't know what's Rogan did. He said

he's hugged you every time he's seen

you." And quote, "I don't know what's

going on, but it has nothing to do with

me." He said that. I don't know if you

know that.

>> Okay. Well, that's nice, but you know,

it does have something to do with him.

And I, you know, and I and I don't hate

him. I but but you know like to speak to

that you know I make that comment and my

DMs are filled with people who are

trying to get on this dating matchmaking

site I'm doing and and men from

defending Joe Rogan's $82 million and

calling me a [ __ ] and a [ __ ] and using

the n-word and that I'm an end like it's

so vile like I I I wish he could see

that that's that represents a portion of

the people that are listening to him. we

don't need to be talking to women in

this way and we need to be denouncing

that behavior. So, it's a larger issue

obviously, you know.

>> Yeah, you're making a salient point.

That's a lot of money for someone who

doesn't isn't vetting his information as

well as he could be.

>> And if I have made $82 million at any

point in my career in a year, I would

love someone to tell me.

>> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they're very

sensitive. I'm like, "Oh, for goodness

sake."

>> I know. And you're not being a [ __ ]

dog. I know. I know.

>> Get a [ __ ] dog. I don't know what to.

In fact, don't get a dog. You don't

deserve a dog.

>> But I'm Listen. Listen. I am so used to

men telling me to shut the [ __ ] up. I

mean, they've been telling me to shut

the [ __ ] up since I started talking.

>> It's [laughter] not working.

>> So, it's okay. You only embolden me. I

don't believe I'm a [ __ ] So, sorry.

You didn't get me.

>> Well, not in the bad way of a [ __ ]

Just in

>> No, in the best way.

>> In the best way or the best [ __ ] ever.

Um, you you've launched this full

podcast network with iHeart and and

Netflix. How do you what talk about your

business plans? What is the point? What

are you doing here? How do you look at

the business given?

>> Great question. I mean, my business

acumen is not up to snuff. Let's be

honest. I I just No, I've been very

lucky and fortunate and I am I move

quickly. Like, if I there's an

opportunity that I like and I want, then

I'll do go for it. This opportunity came

to me. I've had a great experience with

iHeart. I was important for me to also

like give platforms to other comedians.

I just launched a podcast for Yamana

Saunders called You're the Problem with

Yaminika because I was sick of listening

to her to complain. So, I thought it

would be great for her to have her own

podcast. Um, and I have another one

coming out in a few months for another

person that I think deserves a platform.

And so, that was a big element. I don't

um the other element is the podcast has

been really successful which has been a

great surprise because I I'm giving

advice on the podcast which is silly and

and its intention was silly but it has

actually turned into quite something

quite serious at times people call in

for real life advice and it makes and it

makes a lot of sense because you know

who better to give advice on a subject

that has nothing to do with your

personal situation who's got no emotions

involved you know um and and you know,

not like my advice is always flawless,

but I'm going to have an opinion and I

have a strong one and I am kind of a

sister vibe. You know, I always want

everyone to kind of take a leap of faith

and make the jump and leave the bad bad

work vibe or leave the bad relationship

and and you know, ask for better stuff

for yourself. You know, you kind of have

>> and you want to create a network too of

others, right? It's actually that's it's

a great idea. It's a powerful thing to

have more. I think about that now.

>> Yeah. It's called the Dear Chelsea

Network and and I just Yeah. So

podcasting has been a great gift. I

mean, we're basically circling the drain

here because it's the new, you know,

talk show. So now they're doing a talk

show for, you know, $20 million less

than they were doing it and nobody has

to do hair and makeup. Great. I guess I

mean I I guess everyone's happy. So I'm

fine with that.

>> They can be bus. Do you like being on

Netflix? Is that an interesting

>> I mean I've had a long relationship with

Netflix. So Netflix feels

[clears throat] like a home for me in

many ways. All my specials are on

Netflix except one is on HBO. I mean I I

did my show on Netflix. I did my

documentaries. So yeah, I mean Netflix

is a very good place for comedians to be

and I've had a good long relationship

with them.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You know Obama's going to

have a podcast about him reading what

books he reads.

>> I know. I had the same feeling.

[laughter]

It's all about his books. I'm gonna say

yes. Yay. [laughter]

>> I know. Listen, I'm not mad at anything

Obama does except

>> I know. I know. I know. I'm like, could

it be a little angrier or something?

Could it be a little more?

>> I'm sure I'm sure he's angry. I'm sure

that I'm sure he is very um mindful of

not betraying his anger and

>> I guess

>> and dumping it on us.

>> Yeah. You know,

>> I don't know. I don't know. I feel like

he do something besides books. I feel

like there's a place for him. People

seem to like him. That kind of thing.

[clears throat]

>> I don't know. I don't know. Give advice

maybe or something like that. Let's get

some real news now. Even though it

sounds like something out of a movie or

a Taylor Swift concert. A reported

Iranian assassination threat against

Donald Trump prompted an elaborate decoy

operation. During his trip to Turkey

last month, Trump boarded the old Air

Force One in front of cameras. He

ditched his new Qatari gifted jet to

ride on the legacy plane for old times

sake as he put it which was untrue. But

shortly after boarding he left one plane

for another plane. He was secretly

smuggled off the second plane in a

catering trunk truck and taken to a

smaller military plane where he which he

flew home. Meanwhile, reporters and even

some White House staff took off on Air

Force One, believing Trump was on board

and were basically sitting ducks without

being told of the assassination plot.

So, it was a decoy. That's what they

called it. Um, what do you what did you

think about him getting smuggled out in

a catering?

>> Well, first of all, I love the idea of

him being in a catering cart. I mean,

this is a great way for him to bring

back Trump Shuttle, his failed bankrupt

airline. Oh, yeah.

>> And make it a catering cart with wings.

That should be his next.

>> Um, but a I love I love it. [laughter]

I love it because first of all, he

survived two assassination attempts, so

why not just play Russian roulette? I

mean, you're bulletproof, right? Let's

go for it. See what happens.

>> The idea that he I saw what his clip of

what he said to the reporters after,

like, you're on a date. [clears throat]

This is a very dangerous job. maybe

while he bailed on them and was like,

"You guys," which of course he would do

at any time. Um, but um that's

>> so fake bravery and then he jumps into

the into the

>> I mean, no, I don't think anyone

believes Donald Trump is brave at this

point, you know? I mean, that's all gone

out the window. Maybe some people still

believe it, but but yes, I love the idea

of him riding around in a catering cart,

hopefully on his knees for to duck for

cover, you know. Um it's just such a

circus. Yeah. that it it wouldn't it I

was trying to think this morning before

we started like what would be more

ridiculous than what we're watching and

it I was like would Snookie you know

from Jersey Shore be would one of the

housewives the real housewives be more

ridiculous it's like no actually they

would be more sensible. Yeah, they

would. They would. I The fact that he

like cut and run on people and then

didn't tell them that they were a

sitting duck to me is

>> like that to Yeah,

>> they were decoys. They were decoys for

this terrifying president, which is

really

>> I mean, but that's so him. That's that's

like his whole staff watches him operate

in this way and then thinks that they're

going to be saved by him. It's so silly.

You know, these these like the the the

den of incompetency that that surrounds

him is just like I love how they think

that there's a long game. What is the

long game in this right? There isn't

one. He just wants to save his own skin.

He's always done that way. Remember when

he went under the bunker when people

were protesting outside the White House?

[laughter] He went deep in the bunker

like he's scared of people. He's scared

Well, the Iranians are terrifying. At

the same time, doing it this way is just

so typical of him.

>> I just can't believe we're in a war with

Iran and we're f like we're walking

around like I grew up believing that if

we went to war with Iran that would be

nuclear and the world would be over. So

the fact that we are how how six months

in to this war.

>> Six months at least. Yeah.

>> Um and with no end in sight because he's

you know he's an embarrassment. He has

no idea what he's doing. Snookie would

actually be able to probably end this

war in a more efficacious way than he

would. And he won't end it now. He

doesn't care. We're running out of

weapons, aren't we? Running out of

munitions.

>> Yeah, we're running out of munitions.

Yeah, that's Pete Hex's problem. That's

why he did it.

>> Another ninkingham poop.

>> Did you see him? That was amazing.

Wiping his nose and then

>> I know. They're all on drugs. They all

are wiping their noses and sniffling,

sweating. They're all so gross. It's

it's almost like it's it's not like he

hired people that weren't competent. He

hired the most incompetent.

>> Right. Absolutely. Each

>> egregiously incompetent.

>> Each position, the Pete Hegsth, the

Christy Gnome, the Dan Bugnino, like all

of these people are just it's Yeah. So,

it's so hard to I mean, I've been

spending a lot of time out of the

country and people are just they feel so

sorry for us.

>> Yeah. What do they say to you, Chelsea?

>> They just are like, "Oh my god, what

what are you guys think?" Like, it's so

amazing how looped into America, every

other country is I was in Norway and way

up in Bergen and they're like, "What is

happening?" And I was like, "I don't

have any explanation for you. I don't I

can't tell you except we suck. Like, I

don't know what else to say. like it's

really hard when they see it and they're

just perplexed in the extreme. Like

everywhere everywhere I've gone abroad,

it's like that. Yeah. I was I went into

this um conference and I was listening

to these European leaders talk about

Trump and they were talking about the EU

and how uh you know like you have to get

28 countries to agree on something on a

measure to like stand up to him or do

something or you know even with Ukraine

and Russia and you have to get 28

countries to agree right and like that's

almost how's that going to happen you

know they that's what and so Europe when

I thought oh they'll stand up against

Trump. And now we we know we do. The

president of Spain has said stuff.

There's other people that have said

stuff. The woman president of Italy or

the prime minister. Is she president?

She's a president, right?

>> I don't know.

>> And [laughter]

you're supposed to know this.

>> She's she's prime minister. She's prime

minister.

>> Prime Minister.

>> Um, you know, but but as a coalition, I

it made me understand why Europe isn't

stronger against Trump in in a in a

more, you know, cohesive way.

>> They're doing more than many people in

this country. Let's just say. Let's go

on a quick break. When we get back,

we'll talk about speaking of

incompetence, RFK Jr., and the

right-wing media's future.

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>> Chelsea, we're back. I'm going to play

something for you. It comes with a

trigger warning.

>> Hi, I'm Robert F. Kennedy Jr., your HHS

[music] secretary. Welcome to the Real

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>> Uh there you have the delit tones of RFK

Jr.'s new cooking show. Uh do you think

it's going to be a hit? You you've had

some you had a real estate beef with

him, too. But and then this week of

course the vaccines the childhood

vaccination schedule which most parents

will be ignoring at least in certain

states.

>> I hope so.

>> Yeah. Most people just ignore.

>> I mean the only positive thing about

this is that maybe with so much food in

his mouth we won't be able to hear him

talk. Um I mean he is who asked for this

first of all? Who wants to watch sauteed

roadkill? my experience with Robert,

like if it if this is anything like my

experience buying my house from him and

Cheryl Hines, which I didn't know I was

doing because it was a blind trust and I

was buying in a blind trust, blah blah

blah. Uh if it was anything like that

experience, this show will cost $5

million to subscribe to and $20 million

to get the video to play,

>> right?

>> And the taxpayer will pay for it.

>> Yes. Of course. Of course. And we don't

need our heads of departments or heads

of health and human services on TV

shows. Why? That's also not. Nobody's

asking for that. Nobody's asking to hear

him talk more.

>> Mhm. He likes to talk. He's running for

president, you know.

>> Well, good luck with that.

>> Well, then you'll [clears throat] be

living in the ex-president. You don't

live there, right?

>> He's not going to win. Nobody will

listen to that voice. Nobody's down for

that. Except for Cheryl Hines, I guess.

>> I guess [laughter]

she seems to like it. another the most

unqualified person for the job. Another

person that shouldn't be doing this job,

not only doesn't have but shouldn't be

anywhere near health and human services

is running the department. And now some

people who are uneducated about vaccines

are going to listen to that. There will

be people that will listen to it. Of

course,

>> there's a lot now and they feel well,

he's trying to deliver on his promises

to wreck everything,

>> but also Yeah. And that's another point,

you know, that Trump is going to tear

everything apart on his way out.

>> Yes.

>> And spare no one. It's not just going to

be the Republican party. It's going to

be America. So, it's like that's even

more why we need these guys like Joe

Rogan to start getting getting everybody

mobilized because this is really

dangerous. Do you ever think there's a

bottom to things like this? because they

seem to never bottom. Like Bill Cassidy

going, I can't believe he did this

vaccine thing. I'm like, are you not

paying att

after after being tough and then not

tough, I guess. I mean, I don't really

understand the inner workings of how any

of these political like these senators

and and congressmen can just think that

like there have to separate from him at

some point. Like it's not working. you

know, his policies are not popular.

People don't love him. They have to

steal the next election if they're gonna

win. People are hurting. You know, 70%

of people in ICE detention centers have

no criminal history. 70%. Like that's

what we're doing in our country. This is

America. Like at a certain point, we all

have to stand up and say that enough is

enough.

>> Well, I'm not sure they do have to stand

up, Chelsea.

>> Maybe it's not these elected people.

Maybe it's the other people that do have

these huge spheres of influence. Um, but

>> well, I was told by one of them that

that he has a life after Trump and so he

can't go too far against Trump because

he wants to be on boards. He wants to be

>> Yeah, I heard that I think probably on

your podcast. So, yeah.

>> I mean, it was pretty it was pretty

cynical. And the Wall Street people are

like, "Hey, we're doing well, so we

don't really care." That's that's how

they articulate it. That said, the

reason I bring him up at all is the talk

about the state of right-wing media. New

York Times analysis of a dozen

right-wing influencers found views

falling for a lot of Trump's biggest

allies, some hitting new lows. For

example, Ben Shapiro's YouTube numbers

are down from 27 million weekly views in

2024 to about 4 million now. That's a

real decline. Charlie Kirk's

assassination caused some big divisions.

Candace Owens went full conspiracy

theory and her audience spiked while

others who just mourned him lost some

ground. The pro and anti-Trump split has

widened further since the Iran war began

with critics like uh Nick Nick Fuentes

gaining ground while loyalists are

losing steam. Uh the right-wing, you

know, media system is really splintering

in a really weird way. And speaking of

right-wing media, Melania Trump's first

documentary, Bombed, and she's going to

get in front of the camera anyway.

She'll make a new multi-ep episode

series coming to Prime Video this next

fall. Uh this time going behind the

scenes of the administration's early

days. Her first film reportedly grossed

under $17 million against the $75

million budget. You'd love to get that

deal. I'm sure it seems like this is

part of a $40 million deal she made with

Amazon. The first documentary doesn't

appear she'll be paid more for this. I

mean, talk a little bit about this

right-wing ecosystem. They love to talk

about you. The AOC, there's certain

characters they love to go after.

[snorts]

>> Oh, yeah. AOC. They're upset she's

freezing her eggs now. Is that the

latest thing?

>> Yeah, because they prefer they prefer

women to get pregnant the old-fashioned

way, non-consensually.

>> Um, she I'm glad she's I love AOC. I

love AOC. I think the right-wing

fracturing is also emblematic of, you

know, what's happening in the Democratic

party. We have our own fracturing that

we have to deal with. And I think, you

know, uh, this old institutional like

kind of bias towards these traditional

candidates is not what's happening right

now. It's not the temperature. You know,

we're seeing what's happening in

Michigan. Wandi, these candidates are

AOC. They're popular. They're they're

bringing the vibes and they're heading

the country in a different direction.

And it's like, you better get on the bus

because the bus is leaving the station.

So, we have to be careful about not

fracturing our own party and in and in

some in ways figuring out how to appeal

to these people that are fracturing from

from the Republican party and bring them

over and form a bigger coalition than

the one we have because anything's

better than this. You know what I mean?

I'm willing to compromise on issues.

You know, I know I'm not in a position

of power, so please like whatever

headline this turns into. I I it's like

let's all get let let's get on board

with what's like basic decency and

humanity. Like we can't be in the

streets like it feels like we're about

to have a civil war. And there's one

person in charge of that tenor in this

country and it's our president, you

know, and everything that is sprinkling

down from it. And I'm stating the

obvious. I know I'm a platitude

>> but I mean I'm not sure there's anything

wrong with dissent within the Democratic

party at least. Republicans look like

they're just get on board or else kind

of thing. They look like hostages in a

lot of ways or else regretful, right?

Reg I'm regretting my vote. Um I think

one of the things that's really

interesting I was just thinking about

last night is there's such an attack

against the DSA candidates or or or

progressive c let's do more broadly. Not

everybody's in DSA. They're more

progressive. Um, and to me I'm like,

look, these guys are out organizing on

the street, like organizing. They're

doing the real work of organizing, which

I think is how you win elections. And

the old guard hasn't organized in a long

time. They did before. And then they're

sort of from the cheap seats insulting

them like if we don't if we're not

cautious, we're not going to get these

other people back. And I don't I'm not

so sure caution is a good idea anymore.

>> Well, what do you think? What do you

>> I I think you know I just I I kept

thinking when they were kept attacking

people for voting they yell as I've said

this before they yell at young people

for not voting and then when they vote

and get involved they say that's a

stupid thing and I'm like you know what

it's first of all you're going to die

first so stop like some of you

especially you over there you're going

to die not you but you know what I mean

like some of them are quite old I'm like

this isn't about your future in any way

it's about their future so let them make

their mistake mistakes. Maybe they're

making a mistake, maybe they're not. But

it seems like we can't tell them to be

involved and when they get involved tell

them they're stupid. I just don't see

how that makes

>> I agree with you. But and if we're

talking about age and futures, I'd like

to talk about Mitch McConnell's future.

>> Yes. Okay. Please.

>> I would like to make a predict another

prediction for our prediction part.

[laughter]

>> Okay. Please.

>> I predict that Mitch McConnell is dead.

>> He is no longer with us and that we will

find this

>> really dead. dead. Dead like we

>> believe that he Yes, I do. I believe

he's dead [laughter] out of it. Not just

>> brain dead.

>> Oh, no. I believe Yeah, he's a goner.

>> Or he's getting a BBL and he'll be back

and up and running in no time.

>> Wait, what's a BBL?

>> I think it's a Brazilian buttliff.

>> Okay. [laughter] Okay. Okay. All right.

So, he took a seven week uh leave

absence from the Senate. Standard

medical

>> paid leave. paid leave of absence after

he voted against medical leave after

giving birth is six weeks is six weeks

just so you're

>> which he voted against by the way four

times I'm pretty sure

>> yeah he did he did so you think he's

dead you think he's absolutely dead

>> I don't put it past the Republicans to

pretend a dead person is alive in order

to avoid him being replaced in his seat

>> so you're telling me you've lost trust

with these people you've [laughter] lost

trust

I want to talk about the Melania

documentary and I want to know if you

watched the first one.

>> I did not. I couldn't do it. I did. I

didn't do it. You did? Okay. Tell me.

>> Well, you don't take drugs. I took an

edible and I had some friends

[clears throat] over and we started

>> I just did edible gummy like a cannabis

edible. A lot

>> and we went No, no, no, no. I just took

10 milligrams. A lot for some people,

but not for me. I'm kind of like a tank.

>> I know.

>> And I It was pretty amazing.

>> It was just her walking around. There's

a lot of voice over because her talking

directly to the camera I think is

problematic. Um, and there's she changes

outfits in a dining room about seven to

eight times within the first 20 minutes.

And it's really about her planning the

White House inaugural ball, which

you take away from that is that she had

absolutely nothing to do with it after

she's demonstrated how much she had to

do with it.

>> Yeah. And so it was pretty ridiculous,

right? It's absolutely ridiculous. But

the idea that she's getting another

opportunity to do something, it's like

I've never seen someone who doesn't

speak up for anything or stand for

anything keep getting a platform to say

absolutely nothing.

>> Yeah.

>> Did you find any entertainment in it?

Did you enjoy it? Did was it was it a

good time watching it?

>> It was entertaining for about 10 or 15

minutes and then we moved on to

something else. The the documentary that

I would be interested in seeing about

Melania would be how she became a United

States citizen un uh with the Einstein

visa.

>> I would love to see more exploratory

>> I feel like she's not doing that one. I

feel like

>> I I know. Well, maybe it's the Epstein

visa. They spelled it wrong. It's not

Einstein. It's Epstein because that

actually tracks as to how she got over

here. What would you like to have happen

in this series then? If she's gonna do

it, what would you like to see her do?

>> Maybe she unears, maybe she's the person

that brings us the Epstein files.

Finally, we get all of the Epstein files

that all the Republican party that

everybody's been demanding. Let's see

them. Let's see, you know, the person

who's listed more than anybody else.

Let's have her hand deliver them to us

on a platter.

>> That would be a nice beginning or end to

a documentary. I I found these in the

hallway and I bring them to you. That

kind of thing.

>> Well, she's not German, so I don't know

what [laughter] that accent was.

>> Okay, do your Melania. Do your Melania.

>> No, I don't have a good accent. I don't

do the accents, but she's

>> she uh Yeah, but yes, her English is

challenging.

>> Challenging.

>> She's been here a long time.

>> Yeah.

>> To Yeah.

>> Oh, that's Oh, she can speak good if she

wanted to. Now, um let me ask you a

question. All the right, these

right-wing people are falling off a

cliff right now. And actually the left

is really seeing huge gains. Asan Pike,

a whole bunch of people. Our our numbers

are up quite a lot. Um, which seems it

seems normal for that to happen. People

shifting back and forth. Is there any

right-wing influencer you think is just

the most loosome? Shapiro? Is it Megan

Kelly? Is it Candace Owen? Is it Bunino?

I've It's funny. It's funny that you say

that because

>> I've just taken on this kind I mean the

tape brothers obviously that's

unforgivable behavior but so that's the

top of the list but they kind of all

just blend together at this point and

probably match in the same way that we

blend together for them you know um you

at a certain point you realize you're

listening to a den a den a den and when

you understand the way these machines

work these ecosystems and how social

media works and that social the orbiters

of social media are all are people like

Mark Zuckerberg, you know, who couldn't

get a date in college and so he had to

start, you know, like it all makes sense

because these are media medias that are

owned primarily by guys that aren't

happy with women and they're not happy

with immigrants and they're not happy

with anybody that isn't a white guy, you

know, and that wants to build a rocket

or whatever that is. So, I understand

now that I have a better understanding

of how these algorithms works and how

these kids get lost and and and and are

so addicted to their phones. I have a

lot more sympathy for people and and I'm

I'm grateful that you and I were born

during a time where we didn't have the

internet and we didn't h we lived in the

analog age. So, there is a difference. I

read more books now than I've ever read

in my life because of how little I want

to sp how how little if you know time I

want to spend on my phone and um I have

the awareness of that and a lot of these

kids don't have the awareness they don't

know anything different and it's a huge

job for a parent to even give their

parents manners as we discussed earlier.

So when you're going to throw your kid a

device and because they're screaming I

get it. I would do the same thing. I I

have to say though, kids are coming off

of so I think I I am predicting the

decline of social media. My both sons

are not on it. They just watch YouTube

for TV. Well, that's good. I love to

hear that.

>> Yeah. I don't know about your nieces and

nephews.

>> The girls are pretty good in my family.

The girls are not into it as much as the

boys are. And not all the boys are,

right?

>> So, I think there is a new wave of like,

you know, young people being like, "No,

this isn't cool." actually.

>> Well, I do think the right-wing media is

declining because they are doing the

same crap and they're always mad and

people are tired of being mad. Like

they're always mad about something.

Megan Kelly's always on about some

someone.

This is Yes. Yes. Yes. The vitrial the

vitrial the anger and the like the the

the tenor of the conversation. Why is

everyone so angry? I really try not to

scream or yell anymore. I try to be

really I try and take a page out of your

book and be relaxed and responsible and

thoughtful about what I'm saying because

I don't want to join that cacaphony of

that.

>> I do get angry sometimes. I you know

Megan Kelly's constant misogyny turn

towards always women. It's always the

same thing. I don't like it and I do

speak out. Um I got mad about the AOC

stuff. You know when Matt Walsh went

after her and I was like I got pregnant

at 38 and had a baby at 39. For him to

attack her at her age. She's younger

than that. A and telling her how to have

a baby, I got furious. I don't know why.

It just really because I think it's

because when I got pregnant, someone

when I was trying to get pregnant the

first time, I got pregnant right away.

Uh a doctor said, "Oh, you're having a

geriatric pregnancy." Because I had

chosen to work because I had to before

that because that's how you have to

build a career. And I was so angry at

the time that someone, you know,

essentially a senior pregnancy is like

you took too much time. The implication

was that and so I think that probably

set me off from long ago but it sort of

infuriated that does get me angry that

kind of stuff people

>> oh really men deciding what women are

going to do with their bodies and

weighing in gets you angry I can't

imagine why [laughter]

>> I do get I I start to curse I shouldn't

do it I felt bad

>> but you know what's so funny you know I

get so much crap from like guys like

that who are like she's she's so sad and

lonely and like what okay okay but okay

even if I were okay fine But why do you

want me to h you want me to have another

me? You want another Chelsea running

around who's going to be even more

outspoken than me? Like you should be

grateful I'm not procreating cuz I'm not

bringing anything that you're going to

want you wear.

>> I think you'd be an excellent parent. I

have to tell you.

>> Well, thank you. I I doubt that, but I

appreciate you. I think [laughter] you

you would be appreciate your I

appreciate your virtue signalings.

>> I'm not virtue. I think you would be. I

think you'd be a very funny parent.

>> I [snorts] have um a nice I feel very

happy or uh not happy. I just feel very

like I have a great perspective because

of my singledom, because of my because

I'm not blinded by my own set of my own

set of children. Do you know what I

mean? Like I I see all of it. I have

friends, I have family, I watch it all.

So I feel like I have a pretty healthy

um a respect for parents um and everyone

who shows up as a parent, but also, you

know, bad parenting is pretty obvious.

>> It is. That's the reason. Well,

[clears throat] Elon Musk, nice to meet

you too a lot. It's not an explan. It's

not an excuse. It's an explanation for

many of these people. Right.

>> Speaking of that, let's go on a quick

break. When we come back, we'll talk

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Chelsea, we're back. You've become quite

a matchmaker lately. I love Matt. You

know, I'm a matchmaker, too, but only

quietly. After starting your own dating

service on Instagram, as I understand

it, your motivation was your frustration

with dating apps. You said uh you've

said endless options have created a

generation that's unwilling to commit,

but your matchmaking is yielding

results. So, clearly you're doing

something right. Explain how it works.

And and in Scott Gallowy's absence, I'd

like you to deliver a message to the

young men out there. What are they

getting wrong about dating and

relationships? So, talk about this.

>> There's a lot. Listen, my my platform is

uh mostly women and gay men. So, I have

access to tons of women and I I can't

tell you the conversations among women

these days, whether they're 20 years old

or 45 years old, are all the same, which

is it's impossible to meet someone. men

are so I guess have grown so accustomed

to these dating apps and swiping that

there's such an abundance that there's

no real need right for connection. It's

like well there's going to be another 10

girls tomorrow or whatever that does to

your brain. Um so I want I just I was at

this dinner one night with all these

successful women and they were all

telling me the same thing and I could

just was like this isn't and this dating

app is not for me to be clear. This is

for people on my site who want to I've

matched a lot of couples. A lot of

people meet at my shows since I'm on

tour. They'll meet online and then

they'll meet at my show. Like in Philly,

I have these two couples that I'm going

to do something special with. But what

like you basically send DMs to me and

tell me if you're serious about finding

a relationship about yourself and you

have to have an open account. And then

we're just we're not I have a social

media um company that does a lot of my

does all my social work for me basically

and we're just trying to put people out

there like men who are serious about

finding relationships and looking for

love. We're giving them a platform on my

page to say hey here you go ladies go

hit them up and for lesbians for gay

guys we do it for all different you know

pairings and it's been we've yielded

success. I have a couple couples that

have been together now for like three or

four months. I just showcased a lesbian

couple a couple weeks ago. They're in

love. They've been together for like

four months and um this other straight

couple has been dating for two months

and they're coming to see they're coming

to like it's really

>> creating a community is what you're

doing. You're

>> I mean I hope so. It's just something

that I wanted to do to spread joy and

love and like I hope that people find

each other. But again, listen, I don't I

have to, you know, like I we're not

doing we're not going down the rabbit

hole researching these guys inside and

[clears throat] out. You have we're just

kind of saying, "Hey, here are some guys

who are looking for relationships. Maybe

you guys can connect." I mean, so I

probably will have to stop it for legal

reasons. [laughter]

>> The first the first uh problem, criminal

behavior. Um, no, I like it. I I I did a

lot of yent doing the yenta thing for a

while, but I did it in a different way.

I was very surreptitious and sneaky. I

would meet these two friends of mine I

thought to be together and they didn't

really like each other in college and uh

I I kept making dinner plans with each

of them separately and then at the same

place and then I would not show up. I'd

be like I'm at work at the Washington

Post. I can't arrive and so they would

be forced into dinner together like oh

this person's meeting.

>> I like that.

>> I know. Wasn't it good? And they ended

up getting married. They have children

and they've been married forever. Like I

just felt like they belonged together. I

just decided it was I felt like

>> really I love that story. I love

>> I do believe in arranged marriages. I

would like

>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I think you know if you

have an eye for that and you can use it

for good then you should. And also like

I just think we need to update the

etiquette like everyone needs don't get

confused like don't confuse like

equality and chivalry like or you know

massage like they're like oh you know

men who don't are like we have to pay

you know 50/50 if you guys want

equality. It's it's like no no no you

can still be chivalous like you can

still open the door for us. It's not

about that. It's about treating us with

respect and dignity. And it's also about

like

>> on these on this dating thing like I'm

very I implore all of the people that

are participating to make sure you are

respectful and respond to every single

incoming message you get. Whether you're

interested or not, it's okay to say I'm

not interested to somebody. It's better

than just blowing someone off. So

reintroducing kind of like behavior

that's a little more like you're will

behave. You will behave.

>> Yeah. Be nice and don't ghost people. No

one likes to be ghosted. And then I have

a bunch of guys in my DMs who think the

dating service is for me and you know I

can't repeat any of those things on any

platform because they are really

ridiculous.

>> Did they did anything work out? [gasps]

>> No, I don't I don't really do that. I

don't no I I it's not that's not how I'm

going to meet men. I mean, I've slipped

into someone's DMs and my DMs have been

slipped into. Let's not, you know,

obviously, you know, the type of woman I

am, but um

>> a [ __ ] Yeah.

>> Yes. A [ __ ] on the loose,

>> but not a dirty [ __ ] but not a dirty

[ __ ] Wh I love the word [laughter]

[ __ ] Yeah. I like I like this the

behavior thing. I have I raised my sons

to one of my son's girlfriends once

said, "Your your son is so nice. Thank

you." And I go, "Yes, I worked at I

actually worked at it uh through lots of

ways and continue to do so. with my

four-year-old. He was, you know, hits

hits his sister a lot. And I looked at

him, I go, "You will never hit girls.

Like, look at me." And my wife was like,

"Well, everyone." I'm like, "No, girls.

You will definitely I'm like, I don't

know about boys, and we'll deal with

that later. You shouldn't probably hit

anyone, but I'm not really concerned

with that. I'm concerned with girls."

>> Yeah. I mean, I think one of the biggest

I I It's such a huge responsibility to

have a son. You have to make sure that

they know what's up and that they don't

turn into a violent criminal or a

rapist. Like although one of my sons, I

have to, this was so funny. He's very

literal and he goes I go, "You will

never hit a woman." He goes, "What if

she has a knife?" And I go, "Then

[laughter]

you're bigger than she is. You can get

it out of her hand." He goes, "What if I

can't?" I'm like, "Well, then you run."

He tries to find that like the the

loophole of the of the of having to hit

a woman. I'm like,

>> "What do you what do you think in terms

of raising since you have both a boy and

a girl and boy more than one girl? Three

boys and a girl. What do you think is

the uh how do you view that as your as a

parent which which is which one is with

a girl?" It's interesting with boys. I

want to make sure they like I remember

one of my sons used to love the color

pink and then the one day he didn't cuz

something happened. He it was his

favorite. We found his pink hat the

other day and I was sort of obsessed

with.

>> Was it a pink [ __ ] hat? No, it wasn't

[ __ ] hat. It was a nice chapo. It was

like a It was It was He loved it. He

loved his [ __ ] hat. And then he he

said, "I can't wear it because I'm a

boy." And I was like, "What happened? We

live in San Francisco of all places.

What what occurred in the ether that

couldn't you couldn't like what you

liked?" That was one thing I was

concerned about with them is what how do

they get to be made I can't cry. I can't

like princesses. I can be not gay and

like pink, right? That kind of thing.

But with her, I I I know it sounds

crazy, but I think about what's the day

when she's gonna feel lesser than

because I know it's coming, right? Like,

what's the day she's she's very

confident. She's got incredible what

they call executive function. She's

really on it, quick, strong. It's like,

what's the day they're going to slap her

back? Like, that's what I'm worried

about with her, right? And how's she

going to react to it? I think I think

about that all the time. Like, there's

going to be a day, right? [sighs]

>> Yeah. Yeah, but I mean she has the

advantage of having two, you know,

female role models. And I think that

that that is a huge advantage because

you're demonstrating and modeling

exactly what she's going to do,

>> which is stand tall, you know? I mean,

with three brothers to boot, like

>> that's a good recipe.

>> Yeah, she has a great relationship with

her brothers. Um, but it's really um I

just I don't know why I think about that

a lot. I think it's inevitable and I I

just don't know. I remember when I got

called bossy for the first time, you

know, didn't bother me, but but it it

bothered other girls for sure. Like they

stopped like it was that minute like

you're bossy. I'm like yes, I [ __ ]

am. That's right.

>> Yeah. Right. Right. You know,

>> I think you're going to be I think your

girl's going to be just fine.

>> I hope so. I hope so. That's my

>> I have a girly girl. I have a girly

girl. Not a ballerina situation

happening. All those kind of things. So,

it is. It is. But that's my worry for

her is like when is she going to feel

lesser than I never think that of the

boys. When are they going to stop

feeling more than more than [laughter]

cuz they're like I'm great and I'm like

you know we it's a really interesting

there are gender is a thing. Gender is a

thing. That's all I have to say. Anyway,

enough with about my children. Um one

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Okay, Chelsea, uh, you can go first or I

can go first, whatever you want to do. I

have made so many predictions already. I

think I'm going to predict that um um

Abdul Aliad wins Michigan.

>> Oh, good one. Why is that? Tell me why.

Besides being a handsome devil,

>> I just think that this this midterm is

going to be a big referendum on Donald

Trump and

you want to see a pendulum swing, it's

going to swing. So all those Trump

voters are going to get this in return.

Um, that's what I think. Karmic,

>> what do you make of the attempts to make

all this sort of anti-Islamic stuff?

Nancy Mace being at the forefront of

that, but everybody, they're trying to

take the trying to make him a terrorist.

They're using they're they're sort of

jihadist, everything. They're communist

everything they're throwing at this this

one.

>> The word communist is so silly to be

using in any framework that we're

talking about with these people that

that goes in one ear and out the other.

It's really race race like it's all

racial obviously. Um I think you know

the more people that are not white that

are in office is a good thing, not a bad

thing. It's more reflective of actually

what this country is and what we showed

during the World Cup which was a

welcoming of all of these people in

these small towns and or in bigger

cities but these you know people coming

from different countries and different

cultures and and people preparing

different dishes and Somalian food and

this food and and like real that was

America. That is who we are and that was

so nice for the world to see just in

time so that they know that not

everybody can do it. Yeah. Um, you know,

the welcoming of that of difference. And

so I just, you know, I the more women we

can get elected, the better. The more

brown people we can get elected, the

better. We need an age limit on our

politics and and our official, you know,

our offices and political appointments.

Everyone needs to get the [ __ ] out of

politics at a certain age. I'm not sure

what that age is, but somewhere in your

70s, early 70s. Um, and then go swim in

a lake, you know, like and I don't know

how much

like money all these people need, but it

is it feels like the death cough of

white male patriarchy when you see

people like Mitch McConnell who probably

has a a an ID tag on one of his toes

right now and is also serving, you know,

like it's a wrap on that. And so

hopefully this whole new wave of people

is going to set a different standard for

what we're going to accept in American

politics.

>> Yeah, I like I like that prediction. I

have a feeling too. I do. I It's

interesting because there's definitely a

clapback, right, to him. He he seems to

to me the attacks mean they're scared of

him. I think the worried that he is very

appealing. I thought for Elah there was

a commercial that his grandparents made

um uh that I don't know if you see it,

but it's fantastic. It's he has two

these grandparents and and couldn't be

whiter people like it's really kind of I

think they did this on purpose. I have

to say it's a fantastic fantastic they

look like uh Michiganders like as as the

way the the the the racist parts are

trying to pretend but they didn't they

did it in such a beautiful way a loving

way that it was really well done. Um

this guy is like has got it all from

high school on. He seems to have like

done everything right the right way.

Yeah, he's pretty Yeah, he's pretty uh

magnetic and you want to watch him and

Yeah. And I also Yeah, the anti-Muslim

thing is also wrapped in, you know,

anyone who speaks out against Israel is

is anti an anti-semite. I'm not on board

with that either. I do not believe that.

Everybody who speaks out against Israel

is anti-semitic. I don't think that's

true. I understand there's a lot of

anti-semitism. I'm not going to dispute

that. That's out there. I'm a Jewish

person. I get it. But, you know, uh, so

like I I don't like that argument for

all of these candidates, too. Money is

doing wonderful things for New York

City. He's doing a lot of wonderful

things for New York City. And so, you

can't ignore that. You know, like the

proof is in the pudding. It's all out

there. You can look it up. It's all

available.

>> Um, and so I choose to believe in in

that.

>> Well, I that's a big I like that

prediction. I think you're probably

right. I would agree with you. Um, I'm

going to make one. David Ellison is

threatening to move Paramount out of

California if he can't settle legal

challenges to Paramount Warner deal.

Obviously, the trial is now not until

next year. So, he's in a lot of

existential trauma right now because he

thought he would have this thing sail

through after kissing up the Trump so

much. And he of course accuses

California of politics when he himself

used politics to get approved. So, I I

find that interesting. I I predict th

this efforts he's had all his PR efforts

whether it's getting Ari Emanuel to

write an essay or the Adam Aaron by

paying payoffs to him essentially um or

special treatment from some of these

theater owners not all theater owners

are on board by the way um I don't think

any of this aggressive PR stuff is

working at all Rob Bont there's no

reason for Rob Bont to do anything at

this point since the trial is going

forward and all these attempts to

pressure him I think are going to

backfire and this latest one to me is

the most desperate tamu Larry Ellison

thing you could do. Larry Ellison moved

out of California although he has a

significant presence there still. Um I

just don't this is just the stupidest

thing yet. You're not going to have