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>> Hey. Hey. What's up, brother?

>> My man. Good to see you.

>> What's going on?

>> This is a good time for you to come in,

man. Right after this weekend. Holy

[ __ ] Yeah, brother.

>> Bro, for I mean, everybody's talking

about the Sean Strickland Hamza fight

and the debate, but before we even talk

about that, bro, how [ __ ] good is

Joshua Van?

>> And he's only been fighting about 5

years.

>> That's what's scary.

>> Crazy good.

>> Five years.

>> Crazy good.

>> And he has some holes for sure that that

certain guys are going to uh you know,

expose, but five, think how

>> he's not the best on the ground.

>> He's also 24.

>> He's 24. Yeah. crazy athlete, but his

[ __ ] boxing, it might be the best in

the UFC.

>> It's up there. Him or Ilia?

>> Yeah. Well, Ilia's pretty.

>> The thing about Ilia is Ilia's one punch

night night. That's the difference.

>> It's tough at flyweight to be a knockout

artist.

>> But then also Josh Figero.

>> True.

>> True.

>> He was starching people.

>> He was. But with Josh too, again, he's

24. But in Tatsier Tyra, he also just

was blocking punches with his face.

>> Well,

>> that's the other thing. Like his defense

was so bad.

>> I think it was that Joshua Van's offense

was so good.

>> You know what? I think it's a combo of

both.

>> Yeah, it's a combo of both

>> cuz Tyra is primarily a grappler. I

mean, he's obviously a mixed martial

arts fighter and he he did strike. I

mean, that's why he didn't completely

get blown out of the water.

>> He did strike pretty well. It's just the

counters came so clean, so sharp. Like I

rewatched some of it today and I was

like, "Good lord, that's pretty."

>> So good.

>> He looks so good.

>> And again, 20

>> 24 and you know, it took all the stink

off of the way he won the title.

>> Yeah, but the the And not not me. I'm

sure not you, but there's a lot of

questions that haven't been answered for

sure because Pantoia is a [ __ ]

straight up assassin.

>> Okay. How would he do against Pantosia?

>> Hey man, his stock went up after this

fight. I'll tell you that. Look, it was

it was always up, right? But Tyra was a

real threat. Tyra got him on the ground.

Wasn't able to submit him. Joshua Van

pieced him up on the feet, man.

>> But again, at 24, so let's say they do

the Pantosia rematch, whatever, Q4, and

let's say Pantosia gets that win. All

good. He's 24,

>> right? He's going to be your champ for a

very long time.

>> And how long how old is Alandre Pantosia

at this point?

>> Not young. In flyweight years, he's 67.

>> Yeah, flyweight's tough.

>> 36.

>> 36. That's tough. That's tough. If he

was a middleweight, you'd be like,

that's the beginning of the slide,

right? That's the beginning of the

slide. For welterweight, you're like,

oo.

>> Yeah.

>> But flyweight.

>> Oh, bro.

>> It's crazy.

>> Yeah.

>> Heavyweight is like he's in his prime.

>> Oh, we're cooking it.

>> Look at Francis. Francis is like 38 or

something.

>> Yeah. Is he 38?

>> Yeah.

>> Francis is in his [ __ ] prime. Like

nobody looks at Francis and goes eyes

over the hill.

>> Oh, never. Not at all.

>> No. There's some old cats at heavyweight

doing the damn thing. Especially now the

heavyweight divisions.

>> How old Vulkov?

>> 59.

>> I honestly

old day,

>> right? He was a Bellator champion. M1

champion. He was a Bellator champion in

the early days of Bellator.

>> Yeah. And remember he had in Bellator

and when he first got the UFC he had

that Moana tattoo on his back. He had he

had the sting, right?

>> And he changed it into that Japanese

mask.

>> Yeah. I like this.

>> That one looks dope. The new one looks

dope.

>> So dope. I like to think I'm the one

that kind of bullied him into doing that

cuz I it's all I ever talked about for

like six years when he fought

>> and he comes out with just this dope ass

samurai tattoo. I'm like, "Yeah, there."

>> Well, sometimes you realize like this

ain't making it. I got to fix this.

>> Yeah. Especially that people like, "Bro,

why do you have a [ __ ] stingray on

your back?"

>> Bro, speaking of tattoos, how many

tattoos does Shawn Brady have? That

motherfucker's feet are tattooed, bro.

>> Like, his entire body's tattooed.

>> How good did he look?

>> Phenomenal.

>> This thing might, you know,

>> phenomenal.

>> I always get stressed out because

everyone's asking for betting picks

before the fights and I MMA's tough,

dude. MMA's tough to [ __ ] pick.

>> Yeah. So, uh, with the Walking Buckley

fight, the reason I I told my brother,

I'm like, "Literally, put your mortgage

on Shawn Brady, cuz Walking Buckley did

an interview like a week before was

like, I'm not working on grappling. I'm

not wrestling or grappling. I'm just

going to keep this thing standing and

knock this [ __ ] out." I was

like, "Oh, buddy.

>> No way." He really said that.

>> Yeah, you can find it out there, J.

>> But that could have been just a [ __ ]

tactic to try to get Shawn Brady cuz

Shawn Brady probably saw that interview,

too.

>> Yeah. And was like, "Cool, say less."

kind of just

>> I know but I mean

>> 10 seven rounds three of them

>> I know it was nuts but I mean you could

say that

>> I get I hear you

>> if you were just playing mental games

>> I get you

>> but maybe he actually did that

>> and it appeared so

>> it well hard to say cuz that's how good

Shawn Brady is hard to say it's just

tough when you lose like that

>> cuz you go back to the you go back to

the locker room you're like

>> [ __ ] we're not even in the same

ballpark. No, like I'm What am I going

to do? You look at your coaching staff,

you go, "What are we going to do? I

thought I was a top five guy. I just got

beat 106 three rounds in a row."

>> Okay, I was I was going to bring this

up. So, I I have some insight to this.

So, there was some very strange betting

behavior. Um it it says it turns out to

be meaningless. Bet online cited

abnormal betting patterns as Buckley

moved uh from plus 150 underdog to minus

220 favorite before the fight. So, this

is what happened. Um there's money that

moved very quickly before the fight and

uh the UFC obviously because they've

been through this [ __ ] with the guys

fixing fights and the FBI investigated

it. They got concerned and so um I

believe what happened is they minimized

the amount that you could bet online so

you couldn't bet big money anymore. I

don't know what the c Let's find out

what the cap they put on it was. Um, but

then

you um they they were going to go ahead

with the fight, but they wanted to make

sure that Shawn Brady wasn't injured.

So, this was the fear. The fear was that

some inside camp word got out, Shawn

Brady's got an injury, and then all the

money jumps up cuz that a lot of times

that's what happened.

>> But they they did it right cuz I I

before they would just cancel the fight

like we don't know what's going on.

We're cancel fight. No, just take the

fight off the betting sites.

>> Well, they only did that one time. They

did that one time with the Alexander

Hernandez. I don't remember who he's

fighting. I don't remember who Alexander

Hernandez was fighting, but they did

that with that fight. And I thought that

was really crazy. Crazy.

>> They asked Alexander like, "Are you

okay?" He's like, "I'm fine." Like, "I

am planning on winning this fight." But

for some reason, he became an underdog.

Like,

>> nothing came out from it either. No.

>> Like I I wish they'd be a little more

transparent like, "Hey, we looked into

it. It's our bat. This, you know, but

they just cancel the fight and so

everyone now we just assume

>> something happened.

>> Something happened. Somebody's being

dirty.

>> Yeah, but then Hernandez fought again

and lost his next fight.

>> Um, [ __ ] who did he fight?

>> He fought someone on a fight night. It

was a very good fight. Very close fight.

The dude was very good.

>> But I'm glad they're not just pulling

the fight.

>> Oh, Michael Johnson.

>> It was supposed to be Michael Johnson,

but they didn't have that fight. And

then who did he fight next instead? So,

let's just go over this real quick

before we figure out who he fought. amid

suspicious betting movement. So what

what is suspicious betting movement like

what if you and your boys all go [ __ ] it

I'm going all in and you just decide to

bet $100,000 on Buckley.

>> Will that change it that dramatically? I

think we're talking

>> according to this I think it said that

they had certain they have I think they

have uh certain accounts that they knew

>> oh were shady.

>> Yeah. Not shady, but I mean they might

be particular whales or whatever that

are certain bers that always were

betting, you know, $200,000 a fight or

whatever and maybe one or two of them

changed.

>> Two of the judges scored that fight

>> 3025.

>> Abnormal betting patterns from highly

monitored accounts.

>> Interesting. Highly monitored accounts

is interesting.

>> Bro, you better get a new account.

>> Better figure it out.

>> They're on to you, [ __ ]

>> They also said that they called Sean

Brady to hear at the bottom. I was going

to point out says someone called him to

let him know and he's like, "I'm fine."

>> I love it. He goes, "I'm going to beat

the [ __ ] out of this guy. What are you

talking about?" And they're like, "Yeah,

you're good to go."

>> I think that's what Alexander Hernandez

said, too.

>> That's a bummer.

>> Yeah, it is a bummer because

>> we can also understand We can also

understand from the UFC standpoint being

like because when it happened,

especially then, they're like, "Whoa,

whoa, whoa, whoa."

>> Oh, yeah. No, they're in a bad spot

right now with that because until that

gets resolved, the look, the fight game

has always been connected to [ __ ]

shady people

>> always.

>> That's the Maron Brando movie on the

waterfront.

>> I could have been a contender. Y,

>> you know, I mean, it's

>> that's who he lost to.

>> Oh, that's right. Hafa Garcia. Very good

fight. Very good fight. Hafa did a

phenomenal job. But I but I think too

back to the betting I think that's also

a reason why now more than ever fighters

are getting so much hate because if you

you know you have a nineto-five and you

make $1,000 a week and you put 500 on

say Hamzot Yeah. and he loses that 500

that's why it's so toxic now because

yeah your guy's losing but now it's

costing you money. So I think that's why

fighters getting so much more hate these

days than they did even when I was

fighting. Betting wasn't a big thing.

>> No I think you're absolutely right. I

think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or

Hafa? Why am I saying it wrong?

>> Feel like it's Rafa.

>> I think so too. I think I went Brazilian

on me

>> for a minute there. Yeah, that you made

a real good point about the betting cuz

that's why people are getting so upset

because they are betting money on it.

>> It's a big problem with some people.

With some people the ability to just bet

on anything anytime you want and now

it's like

poly market and all these different

things. You could bet on you know

[ __ ] anything. Anything.

>> Anything. How about that [ __ ] soldier

that got busted?

>> Good move.

>> He bet that Maduro was going to get

kidnapped.

>> Dude, if you don't But my thing is, it's

like the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete

Rose is betting on his team to win. This

dude was betting on his [ __ ] team to

win.

>> Don't discipline him. If you don't think

Trump's giving him a pardon, you're out

your goddamn mind.

>> Well,

>> that guy's awesome.

>> That's a weird one. That's a weird one.

Um, but I mean, why is that bad? But the

insider trading in Congress goes

unchecked.

>> Oh my god.

>> Like that,

>> bro.

>> That's crazy. Like if you get mad at

that people, what a hypocrite.

>> You're also dealing with best roll

forces guy who It's not like they're

compensated that great. And he was like,

"Oh, I'm going to bet the house that we

[ __ ] get this idiot,

>> right?" And by the way, he's betting on

himself because it didn't have to

happen. It didn't have to work. They

could have all got killed.

>> It's like Pete Rose, too. It's like you

keep him on the Hall of Fame. I think

they're going to let him in now that he

died, but

>> Oh, great.

>> Yeah. Cool. That helps.

>> Thank you. But it's also like he never

bet against his team. It's pretty

gangster.

>> I don't know if that's true.

>> I'm pretty sure.

>> I don't know. That [ __ ]

>> I read something online that he might

have bet against his team at least at

one on one game. I don't know if that's

true though.

>> I'm rooting for Pete Rose.

>> But I just read something. I mean, they

might have been a Pete Rose hater.

>> That's what I thought. That's what

that's what that's what I

>> mean. If he only bet for his team, I

feel like that should be legal.

>> That's what I'm saying. That's like the

special forces guy. What? You're trying

to win harder? You're trying to win

harder because you want money. Yeah,

that would be good.

>> That special force guy like, "Dude,

you're really into this." He's like,

"Fuck yeah, dude. I got a million bucks

right on this."

>> No confirmed evidence has ever been

produced that Pete Rose bet against his

own team. There you go. The Cincinnati

Reds, though there's some speculation.

>> All official speculation. I must have

read speculation.

Um

I mean what the [ __ ] you say person

believes Pete Rose probably bet against

the Reds at some point. John Dow said

but even he has acknowledged that his

investigation did not pro produce

conclusive proof of such bets. So if I

feel like you should be able to bet on

yourself as a fighter. I feel like you

should be able to bet on yourself as a

baseball player. Why not?

>> You're just betting to win. Now betting

to lose

>> different story.

>> Different story. But bet. So if you're

just saying,

>> is that because you can't tell them how

to bet?

>> Like if you're gonna let them bet, they

have to be able to bet on whatever they

want. Like, man, I don't know if I'm

gonna win this fight,

>> man. I'm not

>> I'm going to try.

>> I'm going to try, but I think I might

lose. So, let me just see if I can make

a little extra money just in case I

lose. Say, I try my hardest. I lost. But

>> still made some money.

>> Made some money, man.

>> Yeah, that's good. That's good. It just

opens a can of worms you don't want to

deal with. Nobody's been,

>> right? Because then what if you won?

Like, I won. Yeah, but I lost money cuz

I [ __ ] bet against myself like an

idiot, right? You win.

>> No money this fight.

>> You have to be a [ __ ] psycho

like to try to win knowing this going to

cost you money like your whole camp

paying your [ __ ] trainers, your

manager, everything.

>> [ __ ] nightmare. What's like the the

Hamzot Strickland fight? You and I right

when that fight got announced, we text

each other and I went, "Good fight. Good

fight. I know everyone's gonna, you

know, Hamzot's a big favorite, but we

both went, I don't know, man. I can see

it.

>> I was I was nut riding for Strickland

the whole time. I was like, that guy is

the [ __ ] captain of the deep water.

He knows how to go into deep water, man.

And he knows how to survive. He can

survive. And the thing about Hamzad is

if he takes you down, he wants to hold

you down and just beat on you and not

not expend a lot of energy like he did

with Dreus. That's an issue.

>> You can't do that with Shawn. Shawn is

not going to sit still. He's very hard

to hold down. He's got super underrated

grappling. Super underrated. You know,

when you saw he almost threw Hamza like

later in the fight, you know, and he did

wind up on top multiple times. Like it's

>> he ain't uh easy for anybody. Far from

it.

>> And he had a blown out shoulder. Boom.

That's the other thing everyone's like,

well, you know, Hamza was compromised

cuz the weight cut. It's like, well,

hold on. Sean had one arm.

>> Sean had one [ __ ] arm. And when he

did throw that right hand in that second

round, he wobbled. Hamzot. No one wants

to talk about that. The most significant

punch was in the second round.

>> Yeah.

>> He flash knocks out Hamza and Hamza's

like, "Oh."

>> And he probably [ __ ] jolted his

shoulder with pain. Still defended.

>> Noticed he was doing this at the

beginning of the fight. He before the

fight started, he was doing this with

his arm. So, he's warming up. He's doing

this, but he kept doing this with his

right arm. I'm like, "Ooh, that's what I

do if my shoulders hurt to see how hurt

it is. How's it feel?

>> Feel the range."

>> Yeah. How's it feel? And he was only

going to here. He was only going to

here. He kept doing but dead pan killer

look on his face.

>> That [ __ ] still won.

>> Yeah.

>> Here's my thing about

>> still fought where a lot of guys would

have pulled out. A lot of guys would

have said, "I can't use my arm. I'm

pulling out."

>> Especially for that magnitude of a

fight. I think with Strickland, too, now

that he won, people are like, "Oh, is he

a Hall of Famer?" 1,000%

>> 100% he's a Hall of Famer. My thing with

Strickland, too, it's like he's going to

be a bigger star now more than ever. I

think that fight is the one that put him

even bigger. The thing about Strickland

is he's the guy that's not supposed to

be here. Like everyone when we talk

about, you know, Cheschnian or

Dystanians or wherever these war tone

countries are from and they're like this

is the only way they made it out. Dude,

Strickland was grew up a poor white kid

in America. Disenfranchised. Dude had a

abusive father. The odds are so against

Strickland. So against Strickland. And

this [ __ ] beat arguably the best

striker in the middleweight division of

all time when Izzy Adosana beat him at

striking at [ __ ] striking in

Australia. And then they give him

arguably the best grappler of all time

middleweight division and he beats him.

So he we're all all of you listening all

you guys are closer to Sean Strickland

than you are to LeBron James or Patrick

Mahomes. He's just a tough white kid who

trains his ass off. He's a bluecollar

guy. He doesn't run a 40 and a 44. He

doesn't have a 40-inch vertical. He he

he

>> got one bad leg. He He from a motorcycle

accident that almost ruined his whole

career.

>> Dude, I get chills talking about, dude.

He He's a He's the guy. He's that blue

collar guy through hard [ __ ] work. Is

a Hall of Famer, bonafide hall of famer,

and beat two of the greatest

middleweights of all time and was under

and in all his fights. He's an underdog.

Fluffy underdog. DDP underdog. Granted,

he lost, but I thought he won that first

fight. Uh Hamza under massive underdog.

Izzy, massive underdog.

>> Second fight with with DDP, he [ __ ]

his shoulder up, too. Driving a dirt

bike like a [ __ ] psychopath.

>> Crazy.

>> Crashed his dirt bike, [ __ ] his

shoulder up, and they told him you had a

fight. So, you had to take the fight.

So, you had to take the fight with a

[ __ ] up shoulder. And if one of the

things you notice about when he's

throwing right hands, in particular, in

this fight, I noticed it was they were

awkward sometimes. Sometimes they just

looked weird, like he was trying not to

use his shoulder or something. You

compromised. Yes, 100%. And I saw some

of that in the second Strickland second

DDP fight, you know, where it looked

like he was kind of throwing his punches

weird, you know, which sometimes he does

anyway because he goes around the guard.

It's strategic. He's throwing [ __ ] that

you you're not going to block correctly

and then he's going to land you clean

shots. But when you see him when there's

nothing wrong with him, like he had this

giant break

>> cuz he punched somebody in and some

[ __ ] low-level promotion, right? cage

money. So

>> yeah,

>> they gave a wild.

>> He's a wild boy. So they gave him like a

8 month suspension, something like that.

Six month suspension, whatever it was.

Um, so you see him against Hernandez

where he's perfect. And he looks [ __ ]

phenomenal.

His striking looked phenomenal.

Everything looked phenomenal. And I'm

like, "Oh god, he looks like a better

version of the guy who beat Izzy. He

looked better.

>> Best we've ever seen." And then he beats

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And so if you count them out based on

that fight, we I thought Hamzot won. A

lot of people did. Look, it's a lot of

people that know fighting thought Hamzot

won. There's a lot I think it's split

among journalists. I think I was reading

something journalist. I don't read

anything, by the way. I really read the

headlines and then I move on.

>> You be careful with journalists. I I'll

listen to former fighters in this or

people that have been around the game a

long long time. If you have Hamzot

winning, yeah, okay, nobody was robbed,

but I can give you a pretty good

argument why Strickland won that fight.

You know, I can give you a damn good

argument. I think he won the fight. It

was like I was talking to him inside the

octagon before the fight. I said, "What

do you think?" And I said, "It was

really close. It was really close

because you really never know with

judging. You know, we've both seen

fights where we were sure that one guy

won and the other guy gets it from the

judge. So, you don't know. So, you know,

in my opinion, I would have to go over

and watch it again because when I call

fights, I'm just calling them.

>> I'm not really scoring them.

>> Super tough.

>> It's weird cuz like what you're trying

to do is make

some entertainment out of moments and

put some weight to it and express maybe

to people that don't know exactly what's

going on.

>> You're also listening to your other

>> partners in the booth.

>> Right. Well, DC's great at that. DC is

the best at explaining [ __ ] to people

that don't know what's going on when it

comes to like wrestling in particular

because he's such a elite wrestler and

there was a lot that was a lot of

wrestling moments in that. So like

that's what you're doing. So you're not

really judging the fight. If you're

judging, you'd be silent. Like Eddie

Bravo used to judge fights unofficially

for the UFC in the early days. And what

Eddie would do was he would write he

would have a piece of paper and draw a

line down the middle for each guy. And

then he would have categories. Strikes

L, kicks landed, punches landed,

takedown, submission attempts. He would

he would mark all these different

things. Like every time something would

happen, he would mark it down. And then

he would also go by who landed the most

damage. And he was really good at it.

like he was very accurate in terms of

like I never disagreed with him. I was

like that makes sense.

>> But if your intention is to score the

fight, like you don't have to be

entertaining and do the commentating. I

can do that. It's like I do commentate

for a game bread and there's a fight of

the night

>> and Jimmy Smith is going who who do you

think won? I said, "Dude, this isn't the

time to ask because I was entertained by

the fight. We're doing our thing."

>> Right. Right. Right.

>> I go home and watch. I'll let you know

exactly who won. It's such a close

fight. I don't know, dude.

>> Especially wars. especially a crazy war.

It's so hard to figure out who won some

some wars like like let's you know think

of like what if Tyra and um Joshua Van

had made it to the end.

>> That's a tough one.

>> That's a tough one. I mean Joshua Van

definitely did more damage 100%.

>> Which is number one thing they are

supposed to judge it on.

>> So I would judge that in favor like

because we had a conversation about the

Gomez fight. Uh who was Gomez fighting?

Um,

uh, Pat Sabatini. So Pat Sabatini was

fighting Gomez and all Pat Sabatini did

was clinch him and try to take him down.

Took him down a couple times, but when

they were standing up, Gomez, Pat landed

a few strikes definitely. It wasn't like

he was completely outclassed on the

feet, but Gomez landed more. So I'm

like, okay, I know Pat spent the

majority of the fight in control, the

majority of fight clinching, the

majority of fight working towards the

takedown, but many fights,

>> but it was unsuccessful for the most

part. Gomez bounced back up to his feet

every time. Never took any damage on the

ground. Never got close to being

submitted. And then when they stood up,

Gomez was the one who was going after

him, landing strikes. I don't know if it

was enough to win though because it's

like there wasn't a lot of damage. It

wasn't like he hit Pat and Pat got

rocked and Pat went down and there was

none of that. But Gomez was doing better

in the standup, which when it comes to

damage, that was the only damage of the

fight.

>> But but the other thing you got to take

in consideration, it's like I love DC.

He's one of my favorites, but DC has an

extensive wrestling background. So, he's

usually going to, not that he means to,

but because he has such an extensive

wrestling background. Uh, if you listen

to Kamar Usman, Henry Cejudo, most of

them will score that fight for Hamzot

because of the wrestling involved. But

if you talk to someone else who doesn't

have a wrestling background or it's more

of a striking background, most of them

score it for Strickland. So, you always

got to I take it with a little bit of

grain of salt when those guys heavy

wrestlers if there's wrestling but they

they weren't successful like takedowns

were successful they're like that's a

takedown like but he didn't do [ __ ] with

it though.

>> There's also the Strickland factor.

There's a lot of people that he rubs the

wrong way and they don't want him to win

because of the wild [ __ ] that he says

off stage.

>> Listen, sometimes he goes too far. He

said he went too far. He apologized for

going too far but god damn did he sell

some tickets? I like what you said

though. You said, "Don't apologize.

You're selling a fight."

>> Yeah.

>> That's my thing, too. It's like, whoa,

no, no, don't apologize. Don't apologize

for any of that. Because

>> on Monday, I was so excited to get in

studio. I was so excited. I felt like

for the first time in a long time, the

UFC's back.

>> I felt back, man. It's like,

>> you really think the UFC's gone away?

>> No, no, no. I'm not saying that. Don't

get to it. I'm saying as far as like uh

Connor Khabib like bad blood

couldn't wait. Like I dude I was count I

was tech day before I'm dude I can't

[ __ ] wait. I it it was like I was so

hyped for this [ __ ] fight dude. It

just felt like you know those those

Connor Day Kabib days those are over.

But this one the magnitude of it and I

usually can tell when a fight's going to

be really big cuz I'm always at baseball

fields and football fields and dads will

come like dude you think Strickland has

a chance? I'm like, "You watch

Fighting?" I'm like, "Oh shit." I was

like, "This can be huge, dude. This can

be [ __ ] big, dude."

>> It was huge. And it was huge because of

the way Sean sold it. 100%. Not just

that Shawn has a ton of fans, for sure,

you know, but it was the way he sold it,

the chaos. People love it. They love

that. And especially casuals, they love

the chaos.

>> I love it, too.

>> It's fun. He makes things fun. Makes

things fun.

>> And then people get so mad. you know,

some of the stuff he says, but it's like

there's a lane for that. Hate to tell

you, there's a lane for that. And I I I

think Strickland, you you've been around

Strickland. He's a good person. He has

some crazy thoughts and stuff like that,

which is fine. But remember, too, people

go, UFC doesn't have stars. And then you

get a kid like Strickland who's building

his name. It's going to be the most

watched fight, one of the third most

watched Wayanes of all time. So, he's

trying to be a star. So, you guys are

complaining there's no stars. And then

when he's doing the damn thing, you guys

are hating on him, you know? So it's

like pick pick your poison.

>> Well, they're hating by the way he's

doing it, right? That he's making things

super personal and but this is what

Connor did. I mean, that's what Connor

did with Kabib. Connor crossed the line

many times with Kabib.

>> Oh, buddy. The line's here. Conor was

all the way over here.

>> And there was no apologizing after that.

I mean, that was the brawl afterwards

where Kabib, you know, jumped in the

crowd and [ __ ] up Dylan

>> Dan. That was my favorite. That's my

favorite picture of all time. I need it

frame my [ __ ] stew. When Kabib's

literally flying off the [ __ ] cage

about to [ __ ]

>> But remember before that fight in the

fight, Kabib was all professional. He

was all good. As soon as that

[ __ ] ended, he's like, "Now it's

time to get to work." Yeah, dude. That

is a crazy [ __ ] world champion

just got done stopping Conor McGregor

and he's leaping into the [ __ ] crowd

just like his nickname

>> and super the eagle.

>> Yeah, the eagle. His talons are [ __ ]

out.

>> I mean, you couldn't come up with a

better nickname for that dude. You know

how Dan Henderson has that flying punch

that he landed on Bising when Bising was

down? That's like his logo. That should

be Kabib's logo

>> 100%. with like wings on it like a

flying eagle.

>> He was a [ __ ] animal,

>> dude. That was amazing.

>> I love that guy.

>> I love him.

>> Oh, we, you know, we appreciated him

while he was here, but maybe not enough.

>> But, but with with Hamzlat, too, I also

think couple of factors that went

against him uh on Saturday night. He's

been in big fights, but he hasn't been

in this big of a fight defending the

middleweight title. You have this

>> wild boy talking so much [ __ ] So, I I

just I I don't think he's dealt with

that kind of pressure at that level. And

then also, Hamzot's always kind of had a

cardio issue because remember when I

went to his camp, I called you. I'm

like, "Bro, I've never seen someone so

[ __ ] I'm talking vicious, [ __ ]

everybody up, destroying them." I was

like, "Oh my god." So, there there's an

issue with him and I don't know what it

is where that's not translating inside

the octagon. Well, I can tell you right

now, first of all, first part of the

issue is the weight cut.

>> He cut 100%, dude. He cut 22 kilos.

Listen to me. They He cut 40 something

pounds. They were making it so that he

was going to fight Yuri Proas

>> at 205,

>> right? So, he starts bulking up and he's

eating like a [ __ ] animal and he's

deadlifting and doing all kinds of

crazy. He

>> said he was 230. I think

>> he was above that. Yeah. Yeah. He was

somewhere north of 230. And so then he's

230, whatever. And so then he's got to

drop down to 85, which is bananas.

That's so hard to do. He never got fat.

So what happens? Well, your muscle gets

eaten away. Yeah.

>> Your body deteriorates. You can't

recover. And he had a bad breakdown in

the middle of the uh weight cut.

>> I heard it was horrible. You hear his

brother today was like we thought his

body was going to shut down.

>> Yeah. So they took an hour off weight

cutting and then they went back and he

only had like 1.2 kilos to lose at that

point, which is what is that? Was that

like five pounds? No, no, I mean two

pounds. Two and a half pounds. That's

>> right. Two and a half.

>> What is it? It's 2.2. Okay. So,

>> he was 230.

>> That's a lot though. Dying. You got to

lose 2 lbs of water.

>> Oh, it's a nightmare.

>> Two 16oz bottles of water.

>> But when he was, let's say, 230 or maybe

235. How many weeks out was that? Do we

know?

>> I don't know. Because because when

Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like,

"Hey, forget this Yuri fight. You're

fighting at 85.

It's a few months.

>> It's a few months, but when you have

muscle and not fat, it is a problem.

It's a real problem. It's not the same

problem. So, if you get big like

Strickland gets in between fights, like

Strickland, there's a lot of videos of

him training where he's got almost like

a belly. He's heavy. He makes fun of

himself. He's fat.

>> That's a different fat. That's different

to lose. You can lose that. You can lose

that. That's not a problem to lose. When

you're bulked up, your body has decided

that now you're 230 pounds and you're

still working out all the time. So, your

body's using those muscles all the time.

So, if you want those muscles to shrink,

they literally have to eat themselves.

>> Yeah.

>> So, you have to [ __ ] starve yourself

>> or you do a radical dehydration which

brings you to the brink of death.

>> And it seems like that's what he did.

>> Probably a factor. I But my favorite

>> giant factor, dude.

>> It's a factor for sure. There there's

also a factor, but it's not like in the

DDP fight and these other fights, not

like he's going in there tenacious,

finishing guys.

>> Well, the DDP fight was uh just him in

control. It was just him grappling him

in control. No intent to finish. That's

my issue with him.

>> True. He just wanted to secure the win

and he's here.

>> Well, it could be. It could be. And that

also plays a factor when you're dealing

with a guy like Shawn who's so durable

and has such great cardio and can take

the fight into deep deep waters and

always does.

>> Yeah.

>> He always he's always going after you in

the final round. Like the final round

with Izzy when he's got his hands down,

he's screaming at Izzy. Come on.

>> He looks better. He gets better as that

fight goes on.

>> Yeah. And Izzy had noticeably faded by

that final round. Part of that because

of the beating that he took in the

first. Correct. Right. I mean, he got

>> dropped too.

>> Super close to stopped. probably

concussed in the first, you know? I

mean, that [ __ ] straight punch that

he landed where he spun Izzy's head

around and then hit him with how many

[ __ ] left hands in a row,

>> 15, 20 left hands in a row. I mean,

let's count them. Let's watch that and

count them cuz it's crazy. He just bang

bang bang bang. If you think you're

going to go and just fight normal after

that, you're concussed.

>> You're compromised.

>> Probably you have a concussion.

>> Yes. Just by the way he went down. His

head spun around. It was a It was a

right hand, right? Wasn't a right hand.

It

>> was a right hand. Yeah. And it's

>> picture perfect right hand.

>> Picture perfect straight right. I mean,

it was picture perfect. And you don't

get a cleaner, better right hand and

then blasts him with all those punches

in the clinch. You're gone after that.

You're you're a shell of yourself.

>> You're gone. I I think my thing with

Hamzad too is after again you you could

chock it up to the weight cut that

second round when he doesn't land that

taked down and falls to his back. I'm

like, "Oh, he's cooked."

>> Dude, I think we're 6 minutes into the

[ __ ] fight and you're body was

shutting down and he realized that he

went real hard in the first round but

doesn't have the gas tank and said, "Let

me coast. I can survive on the bottom

here, but I need to catch my breath if

I'm going to try to finish this guy." It

might have been a strategy

>> and he got better that third, fourth,

fifth round,

>> right? Because the strategy might have

been, listen, if I'm on my back, no big

like he tries for a takedown, can't get

it. He realized like, oh Jesus, I'm not

going to be able to fight standing up

like this for 5 minutes after that first

round because his body almost shut down

24 hours ago. 24 hours ago.

>> It is the dumbest [ __ ] thing we do in

the sport where we allow these people to

pretend that they weigh a certain way.

>> You you you pretend you you Oh, it's a

185 pound fight. The [ __ ] it is. Yeah,

both either one of those guys 100%.

>> Strickland is actually a bigger guy than

him.

>> Strickland's a big boy.

>> Strickland that night in the cage is a

bigger dude.

>> Well, he definitely looked healthier,

right? And I think part of that you

could attribute to the fact that Hamzad

is killing himself.

>> Well, what Hamzad say to Dana as soon as

you jump out of the cage goes, I'm done

fighting here. I'm going to 205.

>> But apparently now all he's talking

about is a rematch.

>> Back on. It's back on. So my you know so

what he's got to do

>> love to hear

>> is he has got to limit his calorie

intake and he's got to literally burn

the muscle off. He can't just keep

dehydrating himself like that. So you

would have to talk to someone who's an

expert at that. But my friend Cam Haynes

when he runs these ultramarathons what

he does is he gets himself down to like

160 lbs. And the way he does it is he

just limits his [ __ ] calories and

keeps working out the exact same way.

And he looks terrible when he does it.

Like he looks so tired all the time. But

it's just sheer willpower gets him down

to that weight. But that is slow running

for days. Correct.

>> That's a different thing.

>> We can't do that.

>> Right. What he's doing is exploding and

moving quickly. And I my personal

opinion is you have to be biologically

healthy to do that. You h you you have

to be a healthy person. You you can't

just be big, right? And you're not

healthy if you almost died a day ago.

Correct.

>> Because that's really what's going on.

And we think these Oh, these guys can

recover. But how much do they recover?

Well, they [ __ ] for sure don't

recover 100%.

>> Not a hundo.

>> Not 100%.

>> That's why I'm excited for him at 205.

Like a lot of people like, "Oh, I don't

like them." Like if it's a if the weight

is an issue at 205, if he's 100% hamzai,

I know he might be a little undersized,

but 100% hamzai could be a lot better

than a 70%.

>> That's great. Strictly ain't going to do

it. He's going to You didn't [ __ ]

make the weight the first time. He's

going to he's going to talk mad [ __ ]

>> It'll be fun. He's a [ __ ] coward. I

beat him with one arm. It's going to get

crazy. You got to fight him at

middleweight, but he's got to go to some

expert in losing weight.

>> Oh, no. I'm not saying Strickland Hamz

at 205. That No, no. Strickland No,

Strickland's going to No, no,

Strickland's going to stay at [ __ ] 85

and dominate. No, Hamzot he's he's going

to do that rematch and then that's it.

He's a 205.

>> Well, I think he's or to your point, he

has to maintain a weight that's

realistic when still perform, but he has

to figure that out.

>> He's got to stop lifting weights, right?

So, whatever he was doing that got him

up to 230 lbs or whatever, whatever he

was, we're guessing, right? That's what

I had heard that he was north north of

230.

>> Whatever he was doing, he's got to not

do that. And he's got to do mad cardio.

Just just cardio, like working out, like

wrestling, hitting a bag, hitting pads,

and cardio.

>> I'm a big uh proponent of do do your

sport. Get your cardio from your sport.

Like I see it across the board. Like I I

get a little a little hesitant when I

saw all these videos of Hamzot, you

know, hitting the the tire with the

hammer and doing all these runs. I'm

like, "Yeah, but I' I'd rather you get

your cardio from actually wrestling

against top level guys and [ __ ] get

after it, dude. Cuz what's Strickland

do?

>> Do you see Strickland doing all this

heart rate monitor?" No. What's Why is

his cardio so good? Cuz he [ __ ] spars

like a madman all the time. So, the

Strickland you see in that training camp

is the exact same [ __ ] you see

in the octagon. There's no issues.

Meanwhile, you got these guys, you know,

run their hill sprints and do all I'd

rather you get your cardio in uh in your

actual sport. I see it at the the lower

level, too. Uh with with kids, I coach

football, baseball. These dads like, I

don't get it, man. I'm doing the foot

ladder drill with my son five days a

week. Can't catch football. I'm like,

cuz cuz there we're not trying to see

who has the best foot ladder [ __ ] who

can do it the fastest. We're catching

footballs, dude. Do you think

>> footballs if you want to get better at

football?

>> 100%. But do you think that some of that

stuff has a purpose?

>> Yes. But not not close to the fight.

>> Interesting.

>> You because usually what we would do is

out like uh let's say you do have 8week

camp. Before the camp starts, we're

doing a lot of that stuff

>> and then once we get a camp, the focus

was the cardio was getting it in in your

training.

>> Mhm. Um you know who agrees with you? Al

Jermaine Sterling. Al Jermaine talked

about this.

>> He's pretty good.

>> Pretty [ __ ] good. How how good did he

look against all

>> dude? Best back control in the game.

>> So I and I don't why is he so

underrated? I don't get it. Why he

doesn't get his

>> pure?

>> It's [ __ ] crazy.

>> It's the way the v the victory where he

had an injury from an illegal shot and

people hated on him from then on out.

>> Think how good he did against evil.

>> I know. He's amazing.

>> That was a [ __ ] split decision. Some

people thought he won.

>> Yeah. Yeah. He could have easily won

that.

>> That [ __ ] is so good.

>> Yeah. Algam means the man. Yes. Um, but

he said that Morab does the same thing.

Now, who the [ __ ] has better cardio than

Morab? I would say nobody. Nobody alive

>> ever in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe

that guy that broke the [ __ ] whatever

is 4-minute mile or something. But as

far as what?

>> Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down.

He's not getting punched in the face.

>> People should just go to Rob's camp like

what are you doing? He's like, I'm

wrestling. I'm [ __ ] wrestling.

>> He does run. He does run and he does

lift some weights every now and then,

but he doesn't do any of that crazy

garage stuff. And one of the guys that

spoke out against the garage stuff was

Cub Swanson. I shouldn't say spoke out

against it, but what he did say was that

when he did that, cuz he did some of

that training lab stuff, he said he was

too broken down. He said he was

overtrained and he said he was just too

tired when he was going into like fight

camp. Like we it's doing all the other

stuff, too. You're you're still boxing.

You're still kickboxing. you're still

wrestling. And he said he did badly in

those fights, which is interesting

because, you know, the Marvin Marinovich

approach was very different with BJ

Penn. And that was the best BJ Penn

ever. The best BJ Pen ever, but they

literally did no fight training. What

they did is all plyometrics and it's

different from the stuff the training

lab stuff's doing because the training

lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work and

all this different because that's what

Sam Calvita came from. Correct. came

from a cycling background. What Marv was

having was all plyometric stuff and just

build this [ __ ] insane machine. He's

like, BJ, you already know how to fight.

>> Fact. You're not going to get better at

fighting in 8 weeks, right? Fact. But

what we can do is give you an

unstoppable gas tank. And one of the

things that always [ __ ] BJ up earlier

in his career is that he wasn't when he

was training himself or when he had, you

know, wasn't

>> him and his brother.

>> Yeah. It wasn't the most disciplined. He

was phenomenally talented and

>> freak

>> freak. And one of the things won the

world the mundial at three years in to

jiu-jitsu as a black like nobody does

that.

>> That's why he's almost a bad example.

You know what I'm saying? It's like

Yeah.

>> Right. But what he the problem with

really talented people and I'm sure

you'd probably agree with me, they tend

to not work as hard.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. Like Sean, although he's a world

champion, he's not a guy where you see

like, oh my god, he is so talented. Like

what he does is like no one can move

that way. No one can do what he does.

Like you know, there's certain guys that

are like that.

>> Sean stuff is hard work.

>> Hard work. So the guys that are super

talented, it comes a little easier for

them. And sometimes they have a harder

time with the hard work because they're

not used to getting beat up. They're not

used to getting pressed. So when they

have to do this drill where you're

rotating in new sparring partners over

and you're exhausted and you when you're

doing that hell,

>> they don't like that. No.

>> So some guys avoid that [ __ ] They just

want to be tuning guys up.

>> Spot on.

>> Yeah. And so those guys when they're

fighting a George St. Pierre or someone

of a commensurate skill level, they

might fade because that guy

>> got there in a through a different path.

I mean, George, although he's a

phenomenal athlete, one of the best

wrestlers in MMA ever, and didn't even

come from a wrestling background. I

mean, George is one of the all-time

greats, there's not like one thing that

George would do that would make you

think like that guy is a freak athlete.

There's never been anybody like him like

that.

>> No, far from it. To your point, far from

it. cuz I trained with George forever

and when we did they they would have us

do some stuff like I did in the NFL like

sprints and vertical and the the agility

drills like nothing nothing crazy.

>> No,

>> but BJ was BJ was crazy.

>> BJ was crazy.

>> BJ could do stuff where you're like how

the [ __ ] can you do that? BJ BJ could

jump out of a pool and and land easy,

you know? Um BJ can he has insane

flexibility. Like the way he moves his

legs, his balance is nuts. There's a

video of someone trying to take him down

and they have a single and they are

driving across the cage and he's on one

leg hopping with

>> zero fear of being taken down. Like

>> but to your point like BJ's that

talented, John's another one.

>> Yep.

>> Where it's like

>> Right. Exact. Exact perfect.

>> So [ __ ] talented.

>> So [ __ ] talented. And then the

difference being like John always

figured out a way to win and Jon

if he had a bad camp for one fight, he

would come back in the next fight and

really [ __ ] put it to somebody,

right? Like the Gustoson fight.

>> First fights with Gustoson, he doesn't

train at all.

>> I talked to Craig Jackson. He's like he

barely showed up

>> at all.

>> Barely showed up in the gym

>> and then has a five round war and pulls

it out in the final two rounds.

It's crazy. Gets taken down for the

first time. We see him get taken down by

Gustoson. Like, oh my god, Gustiffson

might be the man.

>> And John pulls it out. So, the second

fight comes around and John trains hard.

>> [ __ ]

>> And John [ __ ] him up. I mean, [ __ ] him

up in a way like this is what would have

happened if I tried.

>> Yeah.

>> If I prepared the way you prepared, this

is what you get. You get a [ __ ]

beating,

>> you know? And this this is the dance of

like who's the greatest of all time. And

that's why the argument in most people's

eyes is that Jon is the greatest of all

time cuz Jon was all those things. Super

talented. And when push came to shove

and he he had to get back in into work

and get he would do it and he would pull

it off against DC. He would pull it off.

>> The Stipe fight was I think that was not

Stipe. That was

>> no that that's when you like when you

talk about his resume like all right you

know

>> Stipe is the Stipe that you know ran

through the heavyweight division the

Stipe that knocked out Alistar overim

that beat Fabricio Verdun for the title

beat Francis when Francis was

>> just crushing everybody and I think that

took a lot out of his chin that Francis

fight I really did

>> that changed him forever I think

>> because DC knocks him out right after

that and you know wasn't the biggest

punch in the world. No,

>> it was a big punch, but I mean he had

taken bombs from Francis.

>> Yeah. Back to John being the greatest of

all time. It's like when you look at his

resume, it's just like [ __ ] phenomenal.

Youngest ever UFC champion.

>> Crazy. But as far as like uh

>> other than Josh Barnett, did Josh

Barnett win it earlier?

>> No, I think John's the youngest.

>> John's the youngest. Josh Barnett was

the youngest he

>> Joshua Van second now,

>> right? So Josh Josh Barnett won the

heavyweight title at what, 24?

>> Yep. And those boys were well it

>> didn't they strip him for steroids when

everyone was doing steroids. That is

>> it's like when WWE guys get busted

you're like oh come on

>> like [ __ ] you ain't testing everybody.

You just don't like Josh.

>> It's a way to get him out. I love Josh.

It's a way to get him out. But but back

to John it's like you look at his

resume. Greatest to ever do it. Beat the

very best in murderers row.

>> Now now you know it's not not even

comparable to today's light heavyweight

and heavyweight. But then

>> you don't think so?

>> No.

>> Well, listen. When Alex at heavyweight,

when Alex was the light heavyweight

champion, it's certainly comparable.

Alex as the light heavyweight champ, the

Alex that beat Maggamed off, the Alex

that knocked out Yuri Prohaskca, the

Alex that starches everybody that [ __ ]

up Jamal Hill. Like that Alex Pereira

and Jon Jones in his prime would have

been insane. That would have been

insane.

>> Oh man.

>> Tough to beat the wrestling of Jon. Like

John's wrestling was on a totally

different level.

>> His IQ would be tough for

>> What could he do to Cheryl Gone?

>> Crazy.

>> I mean, he avoided the shots.

>> He read him like a book.

>> Bullied him.

>> Bullied him. Got a hold of his neck and

like I'll take that.

>> But dude, if you if you if you go back

and look at John my fighting years too,

you look at that light heavyweight

division one through [ __ ] 15. Good

luck.

>> That's true.

>> Especially heavyweight.

>> True.

>> Good [ __ ] luck.

>> But at light heavyweight. Okay. So,

>> not a lot of those guys are ranked in

top 10. How do you think Yuri How Well,

let's let's think of Alex. How do you

think Alex would have done against

Gustiffson?

>> Very tough fight for him.

>> You think so? Gustoson in his prime.

>> Yeah.

>> You think so?

>> Yeah.

>> And do you think that based on the Tara

fight? Cuz he pieced up Glover. Remember

that fight?

>> Yeah.

>> Bro, that was a video game combination.

Knocked out.

>> Alex is one of those guys similar to DC

that when Jon just reigned as champ.

It's like if if Alex was just born at a

different time, maybe five years before,

five years after, he's our Jon Jones. He

was so [ __ ] talented.

>> Huge. 667. Great wrestling. Great world

class boxing. Good at everything, dude.

Great.

>> Hard in the division with the goat.

>> You're [ __ ] You got [ __ ] Your mom

and dad have did decide to have sex John

and his parents did. You're [ __ ]

>> Look at what happened with Ilia Tapora.

Think about the guys that he's fighting.

Think about Max Holloway. Think about

Charles Olivera. Think about Alexander

Vulcanowski. And he is blast all of them

into orbit. All three of them. First guy

ever to stop Max. It's like you you if

you're in that guy's division, what are

you going to do? Especially at 45. I

don't know what it's going to be like at

55. Obviously, the Olivera fight was a

one punch knockout, but

>> that was such a bad knockout.

>> Crazy knockout. But when you see him and

Justin next to each other, you're like,

whoa, Justin is quite a bit bigger. just

a big cat.

>> He's quite a bit bigger.

>> That's a tough fight.

>> It's It's a a different fight than

Olivivera. It's different. But But [ __ ]

then you see what Olivivera was able to

do to Max. You're like, "Good lord."

Like Olivivera is a [ __ ] beast.

>> Doing phenomenal.

>> And he couldn't do none of that to Ilia.

>> Yeah. The The only thing with all that

is like the the 55 division, everyone's

no one's in the prime. Like Charles is

in his prime when Ilia beat him.

Justin's definitely not in his prime.

Max is in his prime. They're all good.

They're [ __ ] good, but not prime

prime. And the issue is is Ilia is

>> just getting to his prime.

>> Just getting to his prime.

>> Surging

>> and already one of the greatest of all

time.

>> It's a [ __ ] problem.

>> Yeah. He's so smart and so disciplined

and so like completely focused and

dialed in. Great ated everything.

>> Great everything.

>> Great ated everything. And the crazy

thing is didn't even start as a striker.

Started as a grappler. Now, his toughest

matchup is Armen Surukin. That's the

[ __ ] fight.

>> 100%.

>> Oh, that but that's that's what I was

going to say with with Hamzot, he's not

active. I know I'm jumping around a

little bit, but with Hamzot, he I think

one of his issues with whatever's going

on inside that OG gun weight cut 100%.

Clearly, there seems to be a mental

block when it comes to finishing fights

because he's worried about gassing out

RAF. Do take a game page out of [ __ ]

Surukin's book. just wrestle all the

Sukqin. I think he's wrestled like eight

times his [ __ ] year just [ __ ]

dudes up, making all the money. He makes

six figures every time he [ __ ] somebody

up. But he's active. He's staying

active, staying in shape, competing. And

the UFC is going, "Yeah, go ahead and do

it." So for Hamzat, dude, cuz he fights

once a [ __ ] year, which is not good,

dude.

>> So it's like, stay active over there.

Stay active like like Armasukin's doing.

Keep your weight down.

>> Yeah. I don't know if he's interested in

doing that. He signed with him.

>> Yeah. But what was the fight that they

signed that he was gonna he was going to

wrestle somebody? Who was it? Do you

remember?

>> Uh I think they want to toss him like an

Olympian, which I which is it that's

where it gets dicey.

>> Yeah. Here's my fear. There was a recent

event. There was a very weird event. I

don't know who did it, but it was uh

kicks to the leg, punches to the body,

and jiu-jitsu. Have you seen that?

>> No. Get the [ __ ] out of my face.

>> It was weird. So Glac was fighting. Uh I

apologize. I don't remember who he was

fighting. and he takes this guy down and

the guy catches, you know, he's trying

to avoid the takedown. He catches his

knee in a weird way and it blows out.

>> So, that could happen to [ __ ]

anybody. Wrestling is a little safer

though.

>> I don't know about that cuz this was in

the wrestling exchange that he took him

down.

>> Yeah, but those those guys aren't

exactly like highlevel wrestlers. True.

>> You know, like like RAF has it's top

tier [ __ ] Oh, yeah. No doubt. It's so

good.

>> No doubt. So good.

>> Wrestlers blow their knees out all the

time.

>> True. It's just a part of the craziness

of explosive movement and a guy is

coming after you and

>> it's kind of what you sign up for. So

forot it's like dude we we can't fight

[ __ ] once a year and then you have

weight issues and clearly there seems to

be a mental block in you getting

finishes because of your cardio. Let's

do RAF. Let's get this rolling. Keeps

your weight down. Keeps you active. Also

keeps you in the limelight. Like Armen

has blown the [ __ ] up, dude.

>> True.

>> He's a massive star now.

>> True. Um especially online. I don't know

how much that translates to the general

public. It's for dorks like us.

>> Dorks like us.

>> Good [ __ ] point. We are some ducks.

>> Riding his nuts.

>> He beat Giorgio twice.

>> Such a good point.

>> Uh is it Lance Palmer, the wrestler that

he techalled, which is nuts.

>> Nuts. Uri Faber threw over the [ __ ]

>> That was crazy. Why' you do that? What

if you both got hurt? What if you hurt

your bit of a head?

>> Well, he's a psychopath.

>> Yeah,

>> he's a full-on psychopath. I mean, he's

rich,

>> dude. He's so literally wealthy.

>> Do you see him on that stream? They go,

"So, like if you want to like buy a car

like $500,000 car, what do you do?" He

goes, "I just call my dad."

>> Yeah. His dad's like a billionaire. He's

got tons of money, but

>> he's not lazy at all. Like, he flies in

the face of this like longstanding

belief that we all had that if you come

from a rich family, you can't be a great

fighter.

>> Dude, he's Batman.

>> It doesn't matter if he came you come

from the ghetto. He's going to [ __ ] you

up. He does not give a [ __ ]

>> Like you some [ __ ] dude's like I'm

from the FLLAS, you know? Like good

luck.

>> Cool, man.

>> Good luck with that [ __ ] Armenian

psychopath.

>> Yeah. And he's pulling up in a Maybach

[ __ ] caviar.

>> He pulls into LA. I watch his uh YouTube

videos. He's, you know, shows him

training and all the different stuff

that he does. He He when he lands in LA,

he goes immediately to a exotic rental

car place and rents a Lamborghini and

drives it to the training lab.

>> [ __ ] not the way it's supposed to

work, but pulls it off,

>> bro. Good luck with that guy. Good luck

with that guy. Don't make fun of him for

being like a Greek god. Can wrestle like

a [ __ ] elite top tier wrestler

>> and he can strike and he can submit you.

Good luck. And he's angry because he

he's denied a shot at the title because

he hurt his back when he was getting

ready to fight Ilia,

>> which is the best thing that ever

happened to him.

>> You would think so? Yeah, because look

how much big because he we were [ __ ]

dorks and we knew who he was, but the

general like especially online, no one

his profile's so big now.

>> I think it's just with dorks. I mean, I

think

>> but those dorks the equal sponsorship

money.

>> Well, here's the deal. There's only one

compelling fight. Look at the [ __ ]

build on this cat. That is not a guy

that grew up with a billionaire dad who

could just go buy a [ __ ] Lamborghini

with his credit card if he wants to.

Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still

alive.

>> It's nuts.

>> He has no reason to be upset.

>> Well, I'll tell you what, Armenians,

look at the [ __ ] Shut the [ __ ] up, man.

>> Just shut up.

>> Great body.

>> That's ridiculous.

>> Great body.

>> That makes me want to just quit and eat

[ __ ] potatoes all day or

>> or get you in that [ __ ] kind of

shape.

>> I'm kidding. Yeah. Or just get get

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But it's like he's the compelling

matchup for Ilia. If Ilia gets past

Justin, if Justin beats Ilia, it is not

only one of the greatest upsets of all

time, it is one of the greatest caps to

a career of all time. Like if he all

through what he's been through, wins the

interim title, wins the BMF title. If he

does that and caps his career off, you

go, "Fuck yeah, dude. Way to go out,

>> brother. If he beats Ilia Turret at UFC

Freedom 250 in front of Donald Trump,

he's the only American that gets the

belt. It's bigger. It's It's beyond just

MMA UFC. Miracle on ice. [ __ ] off. This

is m Imagine the headlines, dude.

>> Yes.

>> And if he beats that guy,

>> bro,

>> in his prime who's knocking everyone

into the shadow realm, he says to

Charles Olivivera, "I'm sorry, it has to

be you."

has a celebration party the night before

the fight.

>> At a party.

>> At a party.

>> He was drinking wine and [ __ ]

>> No, he wasn't. Was he?

>> Was he? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's

drinking wine.

>> No, I think it was water.

>> No, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine.

Imagine that [ __ ] psychopath. He get

starch.

>> Yeah. And he's got that beautiful

[ __ ] Spanish accent.

>> Yeah, dude. Just checks all boxes.

>> Checks all the boxes.

>> It's such a tough fight for Justin, but

I'm rooting for I love both of them. But

just for the sheer fact of again I like

chaos in at that in front of the weird

elites watching the fight. You don't

know what the [ __ ] going on. It's

gonna be great if Justin pulls it off.

>> Yeah, if Justin pulls it off it'll be

one of the greatest upsets of all time.

One of the greatest victories of all

time. And if he does just retire. Tapora

plans to celebrate before the gate clash

at the White House. Of course he's going

to celebrate.

>> Whatever he's doing,

>> that's his move. Whatever he does,

>> he's doing it again.

>> Massive celebration dinner the night

before his lightweight belt. on it.

>> We're going to celebrate before the

fight. Actually, we have everything

organized. My team is already taking

care of that.

>> That's a mind [ __ ] and a half when

you're in your hotel room,

>> you know, and you're just [ __ ]

scrolling on Instagram thinking about 24

hours from now you're going to be

fighting and you're like, "What's what's

this [ __ ] doing?" Oh, he's [ __ ]

standing on top of a table dancing.

>> That's how that's how sure he is. He's

going to beat the [ __ ] out of you.

>> He's eating spaghetti and [ __ ] doing

a salsa dance. Like what the [ __ ] are

you talking about, man?

>> Yeah. And when did you see when all the

fighters are at the White House, Trump's

like, "I thought you liked this guy."

You know, you're like, "Oh, fuck."

>> Because why would you give your friend

his toughest test?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Well, for Gachi, that's the last

fight. I mean, if this is really going

to be his last fight, that is the last

fight. And

>> it's smart.

>> It's smart because that that that Patty

fight is, you know, entertaining fight

for the Casuals, but as far as technical

wise, it it was so sloppy, man. It was

just so sloppy. Well, Justin told me

that that's what he wanted to do,

>> which he should do.

>> He just wanted to just go, "Fuck you."

And just come at him and just throw

caution to the wind and just almost

fight like he did like back in the PFL

days,

>> World Series of Fighting.

>> That's what it was, right?

>> Yeah, that's right.

>> That's exactly what he should be doing.

And that's exactly what he should have

done. And then for Patty, it was it was

a sloppy fight, but he got the job done.

But you can tell like and it's all good.

This isn't a knock on Justin. All the

years, all the wars, one of the greatest

careers we've ever seen. It catches up

with you

>> 100%. It has to.

>> And now here's Ilia Taporia.

>> But again, I I bet Justin wouldn't have

it any other way. You have an

opportunity to pull off one of the

biggest, if not the biggest upset we've

ever seen. And Trevor Whitman [ __ ]

White House.

>> The um Justin has an awesome series, uh

the Art of Violence, I think it's

called.

>> It's on, uh YouTube, and it's all

talking about him preparing. It's all

videos of him training. And Trevor

Whitman's in it. And Trevor was saying,

"We love being the underdog. We love

it." and he talked about being the

underdog with Rose Namayunes when she

beat um uh Yawan Yo Jek when she beat

Yang Lee. Same thing like that they love

being the underdog in those situations

like stopping way Lee was nuts.

>> Crazy.

>> You know that she was the underdog head

kicks her.

>> Yep.

>> Crazy.

>> And that

>> this is a little different but I hear

you.

>> It is different.

>> But it is it's similar in ways the Jeang

Lee is because Jean Lee is [ __ ]

everybody.

>> Scary. There's no one like her. The

physicality of her at straw weight, she

was a [ __ ] monster. Like, her

training was bananas.

>> Crazy.

>> I'd watch her training, I'd go, "Good

lord,

>> who's going to beat her?

>> She's like her shoulders and shit."

>> But the way she trains, she trains like

a dude. Yeah.

>> Like an angry dude. You know what I

mean? Like women

>> haircut to show.

>> And it's not a knock on the way women

train. Not I'm not saying that. I'm

saying like the ferocity was like she's

FILLED WITH TESTOSTERONE.

HOT. LIKE SHE'S trying to kill somebody.

>> Probably is, Joe.

>> She might be. It might be natural.

It might have slipped something into her

noodles.

>> Do you see that one fighter who got

busted? And she goes, "Oh man, I was I

was I took my husband's vitamins and

just have me steroids."

>> Yeah, my husband. She threw her husband

under the bus for taking steroids.

>> You [ __ ] up.

>> Is he an active fighter?

>> I don't I don't think so. Is he J? No,

he's probably just some meatthead. He's

like, "Yeah, I guess this works." Yeah,

me too. Cuz if he's an active fighter,

he'd be like, "What?

>> What the [ __ ] Now we're both fucked."

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Say somebody gave you the wrong thing.

>> Yeah.

>> But back to and uh and Rose, the the

difference with that is Rose was still

pretty inner prime there,

>> you know.

>> Yes. 100%. That's That's a good point.

That's a good point. Real good point. Um

Justin's not in his prime, but damn, he

didn't look like he lost a step in the

Patty Pimpblelet fight. He looked like

he just was just being an animal. And

Pimble's [ __ ] good, man. You see what

Pimblelet did to Bobby Green? And

granted, Bobby Green's not quite at the

same level, although he looked [ __ ]

sensational.

>> He looked good

>> against Jeremy Stevens.

>> He keeps doing the damn thing.

>> But also, that style is so fun. Talking

[ __ ] pointing at you.

>> Fun, man.

>> So fun. One of my faves. So fun. How

about at the end of the fight when I'm

interviewing him, he's like, "Come walk

with me." And he takes me over to D. Yo,

Dana.

>> Yeah. He wants that bonus. They've never

given bonus. He was just talking about

how he's one of the most exciting

fighters that's ever done it.

>> Yeah, he's awesome. I'm like, "Everybody

knows that." He's like, "Well, I didn't

get my [ __ ] bonus."

>> Yeah, but I'm I'm kind of with Dana on

the bonus. Dana goes, "Well, we do it."

Also, your strength of SK your opponent

like

>> Zel Huber was good, dude. He beat Zel

Huber in his last fight and stopped him.

That was he should have got a That's

what he was talking about.

>> Well, but for this last fight, for his

last fight, you know, he fought Jeremy

Stevens. great fight, great fighter, but

you know, compared to like the other

guys on the card, it's that's why

Danny's like, "Well,