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>> So Dave, you were telling me right

before the show that you are now

retiring because you got an impromptu

phone call and bet hundreds of millions

of dollars on oil prices going down.

Congratulations.

>> It was uh it was a good bet. It just

wasn't timed right. I thought you got it

in on time. I thought you got it in like

Yeah, I thought you got it in like five

minutes early.

>> I did not.

>> How is there not a massive investigation

into that right away? Didn't someone

make like $1.8 billion in like 5

minutes?

>> Yeah, there's uh there's a lot of those

like trades like that that should be

investigated that kind of never are.

>> Bro, how about what's his name? Lutnik.

>> Yeah, how about that one? He's so he's

the tariffs one

>> working for the administration and also

standing to gain huge if people can sue

over the the tariffs right

>> well explain the whole thing do you know

how to do you know the actual details of

it

>> no I don't really

>> essentially he was telling everybody

that you know don't sweat it the tariffs

are golden we're getting them through

there's going to be no problems is that

what it was but meanwhile he was

shorting the tariffs yeah so he was

personally shorting Let's find out what

that actually is so we don't get sued. I

bet he's quite ligious gentleman.

>> Yeah, he might be.

>> See if we can find it.

>> I got some I don't know what that means.

>> Like is it wild that people are on the

files visited the island and then they

still work. It was unbelievable. Like

some people had to resign from some

jobs.

>> Well, especially just him because he so

ju the way there's something about a

really confident liar like where they

just cuz I mean that that interview clip

where he's like let me tell you

something. I met Jeffrey Ebste that one

time. He had a massage table. He said

they were sex massage tables. I went

right back to my wife and I said,

"Honey, we are never hanging out with

Jeffrey Epstein again." And that is

that, you know, is that really his

quote?

>> Oh, dude. I mean, I've seen that. I

>> I don't know if it's verbatim, but that

is the exact spare.

>> Probably pretty verbatim. Let's Let's

listen to it.

>> Listen Listen to it. I'm very very close

to exactly what he said.

>> Okay, let me get this one again. What

was this one?

>> Lutnick Lutnik interview about Ebstein.

And he just sounds, I mean, so like

morally outraged about the idea.

>> There's so many people that they exist

in that world where you just pretend

that you're a different person. You

pretend you're one way. Yeah. You

pretend you think things differently.

>> It's uh I've been up close with people

like that. I said that was my takeaway

from debating Chris Cuomo was like I

just could It's a weird thing to see

someone just lie like that.

>> Here it is. Now, this is the one that

says he's the greatest black mailer

ever.

Which quote am I trying to find?

>> Yeah, try to explain it to him.

>> It was uh let me see the key words that

would

>> downplay his relationship with him. That

that might be it.

>> There was something on the other thing,

but I don't know what that

>> what does he do?

>> He's um what's he's a commerce

secretary.

>> Uh he was a he was always like a money

finance guy. He I think he used to work

for C uh CNBC if I'm correct. in this

administration. This like the wolves

have taken over the hen house.

>> Yeah. Yeah, they sure have.

This is this is what draining the swamp

looks like.

>> Under fire for Epstein ties, commerce

secretary Howard Lutnik defends visiting

his private island.

>> Yeah, but this is this isn't the clip.

The clip was from

>> Oh, at the top it says it says Lutnik

said in an interview last year he was

never in the room with Epstein other

than a 2005 visit to his apartment.

Okay, so that's probably it. He said,

you know, he met him once and like this

guy sucks.

>> He specifically says that he met him

that he saw he had a m a massage table

in his living room and he goes, "Hey,

Jeffrey, what do you you really like

massages?" And he claims that Jeffrey

went, "Yeah, and the right kind of

massages."

>> And that's when he decided he would

never talk to him again.

>> Nobody likes the right kind of massages.

Those are terrible. Imagine if those

were legal, just hand job massages.

There'd be like no relationships.

How many people are in terrible

relationships just cuz they need sex?

>> There's a lot of guys that be like, I'm

just going to hang out with the boys,

just get jerked off once on Wednesday

and I'm good.

>> Howard Lendy downplays relationship with

Epste during Senate testimony.

>> Testimony. I don't know.

>> Uh, is this it? Now, this is from this

is from recently. This is from this

year. I did find an article that kind I

don't even know what this website is

though. I don't know if

>> this old firm did not in fact profit

from the Supreme Supreme Court tariff

ruling.

>> It says that there was an article

claiming it and then that's why I was

trying to dig through this.

>> Oh, we better edit that out then.

>> I mean, it was reported though that they

did, but I don't know that what this

says.

>> Um,

says firm is run by his two sons. Elder

Lutnik announced the sale of the stake

in the firm and other investors Supreme

Court on Friday invalidated many of

Trump's tariffs. The president said why

okay caster did not consider the product

which has existed for years was humming

trade on Wall Street's Trump first term

tariff push but decided against it after

weighing the political sensitivities

according to a senior banker familiar

with this matter. Caner spokesman said

the salesman erroneously believed the

firm was likely to greenlight the

business. Okay, I'm missing this. I'm

I'm not exactly sure what they're saying

here.

>> There's a

>> this is just the legality of tariffs are

discussing that

>> an email that said that they're

representing 10 million. That's right. I

was trying to figure out

>> tariff refund rights

>> accuracy of all this and whatnot.

>> So what was the accusation? The

accusation was that he had shorted

tariffs while claiming that tariffs are

going to work. Yeah, the the accusation

was that he stood to make a lot of money

from tariffs being struck down.

>> Um

>> um why don't you put that into

perplexity, Jamie, and find out if

that's accurate and let it scour the

internet instead of us doing it.

>> God, I love AI.

>> Yeah, it is something.

>> I can't wait until it takes over

government.

>> It's going to be awesome.

>> It's after a while you're like, I don't

know if it could be much worse than what

humans are doing with government.

>> It's going to be better. It's not going

to be greedy. Well, as long as it

determines that human life is valuable,

I feel like is really the uh

>> humans. So, let's be honest. You know,

some homeless guys taking a [ __ ] on your

jaguar. Is that guy really valuable?

>> Yeah. But but to AI, we all might be

homeless guys taking

>> Did you see that? There was these San

Francisco tech guys and they got trapped

in their Whimo because a homeless guy

started attacking the Whimo and yelling

at them, "Why are you paying robots?"

>> No.

>> Yeah. Like you're a trader. You're

paying robots. You're paying the robots.

The homeless guy was upset about this.

>> The homeless guy was attacking the

Whimo. The tech guys were in the Whimo.

We were terrified for our life. We

feared our safety because they're

they're being attacked by a crazy person

who's saying you shouldn't be giving

money to robots.

>> That's an uncomfortable position to be

in.

>> I get all my information from the Tim

Dylan show, by the way. But they did.

>> It's not it's not the worst source of

information.

>> It's the best source. Him and that dude.

What's his name? Uh James Lee. He's our

other number one source of information.

Conspiracy theorist. There you go.

>> But uh another one uh a Whimo, a gal got

in and there's a [ __ ] homeless guy in

the trunk

>> because apparently the last person when

they left their Whimo, they opened the

trunk to get their luggage out and they

never closed it. So the homeless guy

hopped into their [ __ ] Whimo and

it was in the trunk. So she get she

orders a Whimo. She climbs in. There's a

homeless guy in the trunk and Whimo's

like, "That's unacceptable." Yeah. Oh,

you think? Oh, you think?

Okay. The main claim is that Caner

Fitzgerald, Howard Lutnick's former

firm, now chaired by his son, stood to

profit by buying tariff refund rights

that only became a became valuable if

Trump's tariffs were overturned, but the

firm insists it ultimately did not

execute those trades. what critics say

happened. Investigators and reporter

reporting notably by Wire described

Caner Fitzgerald exploring a business

where it would buy the rights to future

tariff refunds from importers for about

20 to 30 cents on the dollar. Internal

materials cited in those reports

suggested Caner had capacity to trade

several hundred million of these refund

rights and had already facilitated at

least one trade of around $10 million in

rights under the EPA tariffs. The idea

was that if courts later struck down the

tariffs, the government would have to

refund duties and Caner or its clients

would collect the full refund while the

original importers only kept a small

upfront payment.

So why is it seen as a conflict? Is it

true? So it just say that they executed

on one, right? Didn't it say that?

Scroll back up.

>> That was based off that email article.

It says internal material cited in those

reports suggested Caner had capacity to

trade and had already facilitated at

least one trade of around $10 million in

rights.

>> It's only 10 million. Let it go Dave.

>> That is small potatoes for what we're

talking about.

>> Yeah. For these kind of guys.

>> Uh what Canour and Leticide say. Caner

Fitzgerald has publicly stated that

while some salespeople explored, I like

that in quotes, brokering tariff refund

rates in 2025, the firm never executed

any transactions or taken any position

on tariff refund claims, calling

contrary reports false. Follow-up

recording has echoed that Caner

considered products tied to the Supreme

Court tariff ruling, but ultimately

backed off in part because of the

political optics. Duh. Yeah, [ __ ]

that's a big duh around Letic's

government job. Latest coverage is no

public evidence that Cantor actually

booked profits from this strategy,

though the investigations in Congress

are ongoing and focused on whether there

was any attempted or potential profiter.

Are you more interested in the ethics

conflicts of interest or the nuts and

bolts of how the secondary tariff refund

market works financially? No. So, it

seems like we don't really have

evidence.

>> Well, it'll be interesting. I mean, if

uh which is probably going to happen, um

but the Democrats take the House and the

Senate in the midterm elections this

year. I mean, they're going to be in

that'll just be the next two years of

politics will be investigations and

>> some Democrat lady just over to she just

took over the seat um in Trump's

neighborhood where Mara Lago is. So,

Democrat lady just won.

>> Yep. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, look,

they in his first term, they impeached

him twice for absolute [ __ ] So,

they'll go after him for anything, but I

have a feeling now there's probably a

lot more for them to investigate and

work on stuff like this and the meme

coin stuff and, you know, whatever

business deal. You know, I don't I I

don't have the details at the top of my

mind, but I do know that they said at

one point that Jared Kushner would not

be involved in this administration at

all because he does so much business

over there and it's just like so they

were like, "Oh, no, no, no, he won't."

But now he totally is. It's him and Whit

are like the lead

>> negotiators in this, too. So,

>> there's a lot of meat on the bone for

Democrats to make big political theater

out of for the next two years.

>> Is there anywhere that's not corrupt? I

mean, when we look at the insider

trading in Congress, when you look at

all these slimy deals that get made with

NOS's, you look at every it's like

everything's dirty. There's not one part

of government. You're like, right there,

they nailed it.

>> Yeah. Well, that is true.

>> Like maybe the post office.

>> That's I mean,

>> post office is pretty [ __ ] good,

dude.

>> Yeah. Compared to all the rest of it.

Sure.

>> You get a a letter moved across the

whole country for like what is it like

30 cents? How much is a stamp these

days?

>> That's true. If I mean I don't know if

you include the cost on the back end

like the taxes that pay for the whole

thing. Maybe it's a little more

expensive but relatively speaking. Yeah.

You can get you know something.

>> Not a bad organization. In terms of

government organizations, you never hear

except going postal. That used to be a

thing. Remember those days? Yes, I did.

>> There was a while like where so many

post officers went so crazy and started

shooting people that they started

calling it going postal but it never it

just went away. Yeah, young people, if

you're listening to this and you don't

know what we're talking about, in our

day, we didn't have school shootings,

okay? We had to do it the oldfashioned

way. You had to drive a postman crazy

until he went around shooting people.

And it happened several times to the

point that that became a thing like

these crazy postal workers.

>> There was a video game called Postal

>> where you run around shooting people. It

was in the I want to say the '9s.

>> Yeah, that would be about the time

period.

>> The first one came out 97.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And it was like highly

criticized. They were like, weren't they

like cartoon looking characters? Can you

see if you pull up a video of post?

>> It was like they're like South Park

looking characters just blasted people.

So, it felt like less if I remember

correctly. Or maybe that's the box.

>> I never played it.

>> Maybe I played it. I don't know. Oh,

this is

>> this is going postal. No,

>> pissing everywhere.

>> This looks way better than 1990s.

>> Oh, this was in the 90s for sure.

>> Is this the new postal?

>> Here's what it looked like.

>> That might have been a newer version

right there. Oh Jesus.

>> You just run around jacking people.

>> Yeah.

>> So it was like the first Grand Theft

Auto really

>> kind of. I mean Grand Theft Auto came

out around then too actually. It didn't

look like this then though.

>> But real weird though, right? That post

office workers were just killing a bunch

of people. That's what it looked like.

Like that. Okay. This is This is what it

looked like.

It didn't look like that other thing. It

was like uh it wasn't a first person

thing. It was like you're seeing it from

above and you're just running around

killing everybody.

>> I played a postal though that was the

first person like that.

>> Maybe they had more versions of it.

>> Also, I don't want to show because I

don't know what's going to be some bad

stuff on there.

>> Yeah, probably

>> nudity or anything.

>> Dude, video games really are like crack.

>> I loved your you had a rant about that

years ago about how like the problem is

that they're so much fun and you're not

accomplishing anything. So, the last

video game I got into was uh UFC 3, and

I loved that game. I just loved it. And

then me, like I think it was I got

married, my wife got pregnant, and I was

like, "All right, I got to get rid of

this. I just can't. I'm so I was at um

the the Dojo of Comedy. It was a club in

uh New Jersey." Great club. Um

>> they have a LA one, too.

>> Oh, do they? Okay.

>> Sam Tripley.

>> Uh Oh, yeah. Shout out to Sam. Yeah.

Yeah. So, uh, so I was at the one in in

Jersey and they have in the green room

they have UFC 3 and I was like, "Oh,

that's the game that I got really into."

So, I was there for a weekend and I mean

I just the whole time I was there just

in the green room playing this video

game and I was like it was like a

feeling almost like like a drug addict

who's around their drug of choice where

I was like I need to be away from that.

Like I will play this until I kill

myself. It's so much fun.

>> It's a problem. Robbie Lawler fighting,

you know, whoever and just

>> and they keep getting better.

>> Yeah, I know. Well, I didn't I stopped

at that, so I never even like learned

how to play the new ones. But

>> what number UFC game are they at now?

>> Five, I think.

>> Five.

>> The graphics keep getting better. The

movement keeps getting more natural.

>> Yeah.

>> And first person shooters, man. Oh my

god.

>> Who was so good now?

>> Was it Joe Joe Lozison, I want to say?

Was that was the guy 155 guy? Really

good grappler. Wasn't his thing? Like he

was obsessed with video games and then

he went, "I got to just do something

else instead of this." So he just did

jiu-jitsu and then just got like amazing

at jiu-jitsu. I swear I think that was

his story. I could be misremembering

this, but I swear I heard him talk about

this in an interview once and that they

was just like, I just played video games

all day, all night. And then eventually

I was like, I got to do something

productive with this. And so he just

started doing jiu-jitsu instead.

>> I wonder what he's up to these days. He

was a fun guy.

>> He was a fun fighter to watch.

>> Fun fun dude like in person, too. him

and his brother used to beat the [ __ ]

out of each other on the yard, like in

the front yard. They would have like

full-on MMA fights, like full power.

>> They just beat the piss out of each

other in the front yard. I was like,

"Boys,

>> save it." Like, "Save I whailing on each

other." It's crazy.

>> That's a young man's game.

>> They had like a bunch of guys hanging

around. It looked like it was a picnic

or something like that. They decided,

"Let's spice this picnic up. You and me

fight, motherfucker." And they would

fight like fight fight. But all across

this country, there are boys fighting in

their yard. And that was of the highest

level of yard fighting. I mean, that was

top 1%.

>> Oh, that was two two like legit MMA

professionals.

>> Yeah. Two legit MMA professionals are

mad at each other because they're in the

house with each other all the time. Shut

the [ __ ] You didn't [ __ ] do that.

You [ __ ] You were supposed to put

that [ __ ] away.

>> Yeah. Yeah. That was uh You ate my food.

>> Yeah. next.

>> They both ended up being real fun

fighters to watch, though.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Joe was awesome. He was

a great fighter.

>> Yeah, he had a lot of fights in the UFC,

too.

>> Yep.

>> And I think it got to, you know,

um, how many years was he in? I go, God,

it's I want to say he was at least in

the UFC for like around a decade.

>> He was Yeah, he had a pretty long

career.

>> Yeah,

>> because he was fighting I mean, he

fought

I don't know. I mean, he fought like the

whole uh like I think when he started

was like BJ Penn era of lightweight and

then he fought into like Anthony Pettis

was the champion.

>> Pull up Lozison's Wikipedia, find out

when he retired.

>> Oh, his first fight was September 23rd,

2006 and I think it's his last fight was

2019.

>> Wow,

>> that's crazy. 2019.

Some of these guys just don't they just

don't want to stop. It's just too fun.

It's a very hard uh job to keep going

for a while.

>> Maybe the hardest.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, like on your body.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

>> Other than football. There's a lot of

those guys in the NFL. They only last a

couple years.

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to find a store near you. No, I mean

that's a real tough one, but there's

nothing Well, I guess I guess like

professional football, there's a similar

aspect to where like you're not just I

mean, look, you can go to the hospital

from basketball, you know, you can get

hurt and get a bad injury, but the NFL

or the UFC, you kind of like, you know,

every time you go into it, like there's

a very reasonable chance you're leaving

here on a stretcher to go to the

hospital. But particularly with MMA,

it's the most unforgiving sport where

like you you're one mistake, one mistake

away from like, you know, like if LeBron

James misses a wide open layup, he runs

back on defense and tries to, you know,

get a block or something on the next

play. But in MMA, you could be

dominating, fighting a perfect fight,

make one mistake, and it's like, okay,

you're unconscious now. Maybe

perfect example.

>> Yep.

>> Camaro's way ahead in the fight. It's in

the fifth round. I think there's like 20

seconds to go or something crazy. And

Leon just plants one. A perfect head

kick. Yeah. And it was the per and John

Anick makes the perfect call, you know,

like something had been said about him

maybe deciding, you know, to quit. And

then John Anick says, "But that is not

the cloth from which he was cut."

>> Yeah.

>> Boom. Headkick knockout. It's like, come

on, man. Is this real?

>> One of the most amazing MMA championship

knockouts ever.

>> Oh, ever. Ever. And then just his his

post-fight speech, look at me now. Look

at me now.

>> And then comes back and wins the rubber

match.

>> Yeah.

>> Which was like it's an interesting

thing. Um how much you know like well

first off like getting knocked out cold

like that and you know better than me

but like that does a number to your body

like that's not you're not

>> psychologically.

>> Well psychologically and also I think

physically. Um, and then also just like

the confidence that that gave Leon

Edwards going into the next fight like

just changes everything now.

>> Um,

>> yeah,

>> Camaro had to be very careful cuz he

knew at any I mean he dodged most of the

big ones until the big one landed. Yep.

So in his head in that fight he had a

narrative and that narrative completely

changed with one headkick. So going into

the next fight the narrative is now if

you [ __ ] up you will be unconscious. You

can't get knocked unconscious again. and

he fought much more cautiously. Yeah. In

the second fight,

>> I remember seeing that with um I felt

like you could watch that when uh Dustin

Porier fought Conor McGregor the second

time like you know McGregor had knocked

him out years earlier

>> and you could kind of see you know like

you could see Dustin I'm not saying like

he was nervous or anything. He's like

one of the greatest fighters ever. But

you could kind of just see like he gets

in there and he starts and he takes a

couple shots from Connor and he's still

there, you know, and then he lands a

couple shots and you could see like in

that first round like his confidence

growing. Like you almost got to get that

out of your head that it's like, "Yeah,

yeah, yeah, that guy beat you there back

then, but you're a different guy now."

>> Well, with Connor, it's all about

weathering the initial storm. The

initial storm is crazy. He's so

explosive, so fast, so accurate. And

then another part about that second

fight was Dustin setting up those calf

kicks

>> specifically because both of those guys

fight southpaw. And when you both fight

southpaw, if you're a southpaw like

Dustin, a lot of times the calf kick's

not really available. Like you have to

you have to throw it with a switch or it

doesn't have the same sort of potential.

It's a slightly different potential when

you exchanging it in combinations. But

with Connor, it was wide open because

Connor has two things going on. one is

his southpaw. Also, he had just gotten

off the Floyd Mayweather fight. He's

very boxing heavy, not just, but a while

back, but he had really concentrated on

his striking with his hands. His his

hands were elite. So, because of that,

your stance is a little wider and you're

putting a little bit more weight on your

legs,

>> you know, and he always had a wide

stance anyway. He had that karate

stance. The craziest thing about that is

the calf kick really didn't become a big

deal

>> even until Connor was a superstar.

>> Like it was after that.

>> That's how recent it is.

>> Yeah. It's very strange that that was

almost like a thing that didn't get

figured out until so recently and then

just totally changed everything. Like at

this point you rare, not saying you

never see it, but you pretty rarely see

guys kick guys in the thigh anymore.

Well, no, but I mean like compared to

what it used to be, where it used to be

like that was that was what a leg kick

was for many years in MMA and now it's

I'd say like the majority of leg kicks

are are targeting the calf. Yeah. Like

you'll see almost like a thigh kick

almost just to switch it up a little

bit.

>> This guy's got really good at taking

those.

>> Yeah, he got really good at being

conditioned. And you know, we also saw a

few leg breaks,

>> right? We saw the Anderson Silva one. We

saw the Chris Weidman one. There's been

there's been a few leg breaks from guys

just full power leg kicking the the

thigh and then someone just lifts up

their knee a little bit and takes it on

the right where the shin bone meets the

kneecap is where they like to catch it.

And boy, I've seen way too many of

those. I've seen a bunch in person, but

because of the internet, I've seen

dozens and dozens of small promotions

where a guy throws that kick wrong

really hard and the guy checks it and

his [ __ ] foot just wraps around the

leg and you see it dangling there.

You're like, "Oh no." You recognize the

thing like that injury is so

recognizable. Like I've seen it so many

times now. I see it. I just go, "Oh,

it's going to wrap around the calf.

>> It's going to flop. He's going to fall

down.

>> I've seen it several times on internet

videos and in UFC fights. I've only once

seen a guy continue to talk [ __ ] about

the other guy after from the ground,

which is the craziest [ __ ] ever, dude.

Everyone else I've seen is like crying

in pain. And Connor's talking about your

wife's whatever DMs.

>> Jesus Christ.

>> Yeah. He asked me to come and sit down

with him and do a podcast.

>> He's an animal.

>> I mean, the dude's one of a kind. He's

one of a kind. He apparently made a post

on his uh Instagram saying he's back

>> and uh if it's true that would be

awesome. The idea is his uh suspension

for whatever he took before is up.

>> So

>> I remember

>> yay.

>> What was it? Something uh

>> was someone I think it was Douglas

Murray when he wrote that article about

me. He said

>> Mr. Confidence returns

to save fighting again. Call your

grandma. Nanny, we did it. Watch and pay

me. [ __ ] you. Pay me, you fat Irish

prick. You don't have my money. I put

your brain to sleep. Who's that? What's

that about? Who's he talking about? Uh C

is in the casinos after the Mac loves

you is all. I got love for you. It's an

all. It's an honor. It's light work.

It's easy for life and eternity. It's

McGregor. How drunk was he when he wrote

this?

I do this fight game. Easy peasy. The

sound of my shots off the head go bing

in green dot laser form.

Okay.

Well, I really hope he is actually back.

I hope it's true. It'd be fun to see him

back.

>> It'd be a lot of fun.

>> Greatest personality the sports ever

known. That's right. There's no one even

close.

>> I mean, he's the most dynamic

personality the sport's ever known. And

he was um for for a time there just such

an unbelievable fighter. I mean he was

like just it was incredible what he was

doing.

>> Danny Alvarez fight.

>> Oh yeah. I was there. I was there. Well,

thanks to you. Uh with really good

really good seats. Thanks to you. Uh but

that was that was one of the best that

might be the best fight I've ever been

to live cuz that whole card was just

stacked and that as the main event was

just unbelievable,

>> bro. He was in the matrix. He was in the

matrix. He was just in the zone. You

know, Dana said it best. He's like,

"That kid eats pressure." He goes, "He

eats it." Yeah. Like he thrives on

pressure. Pressure that makes other

people wilt, he like shines under that

pressure. and he had an amazing ability

even very early in his career which was

like kind of it it was really unique

like because even like on his first

fight ever if you watch his first fight

in the UFC um against uh like Brimage I

think the guy's name is

>> and he was a relatively unknown at the

time but dude the place is going nut he

already had made so much kind of like

street cred for himself and then the

Irish thing like the Irish were really

really into it but he from the very

first fight he would always create these

moments where it's Like, dude, this is

going to be the biggest spectacle that

you, my opponent, has ever been in in

their career. Like, I'm going to get you

mad with [ __ ] talking. I'm going to get

the fans so excited

>> because he's completely comfortable

there.

>> Like, I'm not sure if you're really

comfortable here, but I'm And so, it

would and even with with Aldo,

>> who had been the entire division.

>> He would literally when they started the

division, they started him as champion.

He didn't even win it. He came in

because they absolved the WC. So, he was

the entire featherweight division. had

just dominated everyone and he even

created such a moment that like like

Aldo was like uh

>> he was the boogeyman.

>> Yeah, dude. He was incredible. So, still

he's one of the greatest featherweights

of all time.

>> But he got him to the point where he was

like so furious that he was like I want

to take this [ __ ] guy's head off and

then Connor's just like relaxed. He's

like like he he didn't care about any of

the [ __ ] talking. He was just like,

"Yeah, we're having fun.

>> Let's play."

>> He lost his composure. Yeah. And he he

looked he looked very overwhelmed by the

moment. And oh, and by the way,

everyone from Ireland came to Vegas for

that fight. It was the nuttiest thing

I've ever seen in my [ __ ] life. The

entire Mandandalay Bay was overcome with

Irish people. I mean, overcome like you

couldn't move. There was nothing but

Irish people everywhere. And they were

singing. They were all singing together

in the halls of this gigantic casino

packed bump like they're waiting in line

for something. And they were just there

partying for Connor.

>> I remember I think it was when I want to

say it was when

>> Look at all these people.

>> Yeah, it was nuts, dude.

>> Bro, this is nuts, man. They're all

Irish people. Like, you got to realize

nobody had a following like him.

>> Like, this is actually Irish people for

the Floyd Mayweather fight. They were

still ride or die with him even for that

fight.

>> I I think it was when he fought Dennis

Siver, I want to say.

>> I think that was in Boston.

>> So, I went to I went with uh Lewis J.

Gomez, my good friend. hilarious

comedian. Um, and he, me and him went to

some Irish bar to watch, like we just

happened to be in Midtown Manhattan and

we were like, "Oh, the fights are coming

on." Oh, they're playing it at this bar.

You know, it was just like an Irish pub.

>> And dude, I mean, it wasn't even that

big of a bar. They must have I mean, it

was shouldertoshoulder

Irish people losing their [ __ ] minds.

Like it was the it was the most fun

environment to watch a fight in cuz

they're just I mean they're just like

but all that singing and chanting. It

seemed like everyone had an Irish flag

with them like

>> it was it was this in a in a little bar.

It was this

>> that's nuts, man. Look at that. That's

Mandalay Bay.

>> Wow.

>> Look at this.

>> Oh, that's MGM.

>> Well, they were everywhere. They were

probably at every [ __ ] casino there

was.

>> This is crazy.

imagine imagine if you you're from

Northern Ireland

>> and you like you still still remember

the troubles and you make your way to

the hotel just came to Vegas for a

little gambling you don't follow MMA you

had no [ __ ] idea what's this all

about

>> I have picked the wrong [ __ ] week for

me vacation

>> oh by the way I was going to say that uh

Douglas Murray's big knock on me when he

wrote his op-ed in the New York Post was

he goes he goes you know Dave goes on

Joe Rogan and he talks about foreign

policy like he's an expert but I bet he

wouldn't go in there and talk MMA with

him because then Joe would recognize

he's not an expert and I was like

>> we do that all the time that every so

>> I was like almost every time we hang out

we end up talking MMA and like it

probably is fair that yeah there'll be

moments where you'll correct me if I get

something wrong

>> so what

>> but if I get it right you don't go

you're not an expert dumb Imagine we

don't talk about MMA because you're not

an expert. That's so silly.

>> Well, I watch a lot of it. I have some

thoughts.

>> Why is he so silly? I love Douglas. I

really do. I've enjoyed talking to him.

I think he's a brilliant man. But I was

very disappointed with uh You've never

been very disappointed with that that

sort of strategy that you shouldn't be

talking about these things that are

factual. But even more disappointed with

that notion, the notion that like you

would never talk about MMA with me. Like

you think we would I first first of all

I don't think I argue about MMA with

anybody. I don't think anybody if

someone has a point about MMA I don't I

never argue. I might say you've

corrected me when I've gotten things

wrong. Yeah. Or I might say I dis like

somebody think some people think that c

a certain thing is going to happen and

I'm like oo I don't see that. I

disagree. That happens.

>> Sure. But

>> well, also like it's the whatever point

you're making is either a good point or

it's not a good point if it's like an

objective claim. You know what I mean?

So like if I if I say like uh you know

when when Vulcganowski fought Lopez, his

jab was crucial.

>> Okay, that's either correct or it's

incorrect. Like whether I'm an expert or

not, I'm not an expert on fighting.

>> Gez, you could watch the fight and that

would be correct.

>> Yes. Right. So it's I saw he hit a home

run. You're right. Yes, there you go.

That's crazy.

>> Well, I you know was a weird a weird

thing during that show was um because

it's a weird I don't know there's like

weird incentives in built into like all

>> incentives. Incentives are the right

word because there's a lot of people

that are saying things and you go why

are you saying that?

>> Yeah. Well, also from my perspective, I

was a little disappointed with it

because I kind of thought I was like,

"Oh, this could be like a really cool

thing." And and it had been literally,

which I don't think I'm saying anything

that is like betraying confidence here,

but the only thing that was ever said to

me, I remember you called me and you

were like, "What do you think about

doing this?" And I think I said yes

before you could finish answering the

question. Yes, absolutely. Let's do

that. Um, and then you told me that he

had said, "Hey, he really doesn't want

this to devolve into like a food fight.

He wants to make this like a good faith

thing." And I was like, "Oh,

>> awesome." And now I feel like he like

Trump Witoff negotiated me. Like he's

negot he was cuz then he came in and the

whole thing was about me. He didn't want

to talk about the issues at all. He just

want And so in a weird way I was like,

"Well, this sucks cuz I thought we could

have had a really cool thing." But then

there was this other part of me that was

like I mean he's really just handing

this to me. You know what I mean? Like

he kind of just like gave me the win in

in a thing that was a big show with a

like a you know a lot of people I knew

were going to watch it. I mean obviously

every time I do your show a lot of

people are going to watch it but that

was a particularly big one.

>> Yeah.

>> And so I was kind of almost like for the

first 45 minutes of it I was kind of

sitting there like oh I can't believe he

just he went this route. Well, if you

look at it objectively, there weren't a

lot of options, right? Yeah. It's very

difficult to argue the side that what

they're do doing like we were talking

about Gaza in particular.

>> Yeah. like like the arguing that that's

not horrific

and if you're a human being and you

recognize that there are human beings

that are subjected to that government

just like you're subjected to ICE you're

subjected to homeland security you're

subject you're subjected to the cops if

you're a civilian you have to listen to

these orders so if you're living in Gaza

and you're a child or you're a woman and

you live you're not Hamas okay and the

idea that you're responsible for oto

October 7th. Even if you're one of the

people that cheered in the street, boy,

don't you think you kind of have to

cheer in the street if everybody else is

cheering the street? If you're [ __ ]

in terror for your life and you have to

like keep your safety intact, like you

got to kind of go along with whatever

everybody else is doing. I'm not saying

it's that's good, but when you look at

how that place is leveled, I mean, the

most recent videos that I've seen were

still like a few months old. So, I don't

know if it stopped. Did they stop

bombing? I don't know what's going on.

>> No, they've slowed down a bit, but they

haven't stopped.

>> Okay. It there was nothing left, man.

And that represents people's homes. That

represents schools. That represents

hospitals. There's no way you can argue

that that's not horrific. Yeah.

>> So, he was stuck.

>> That's right. That's right. It's kind of

indefensible. And so, instead, you pivot

to arguing against this guy rather than

against the issue. Well, I think that um

you know, it's in I can't remember if

this was in the letter to America or

this was in his declaration of war

against America, but Osama bin Laden

literally said that uh civilians are

fair targets because you guys have

elections and you vote for these

politicians and they're the ones who

conduct these wars that that slaughter

innocent Muslims. So like just saying

it's the logic of Osama bin Laden to say

that civilians are responsible for what

and in Gaza like they don't even really

have a government. Hamas is not a

government. They don't have regular

elections. They had one election back in

' 05 or ' 06 or whatever it was which

Hamas did not even win uh majorities of.

They they won on pluralities. You know

what I mean? And so the idea that you're

holding these people responsible for

Hamas just doesn't make any sense. And

just on a very basic human level, you

just kind of go, and I'm not like an

egalitarian. I'm not saying all people

are equal or all cultures are equal or

anything like that, but on a very basic

human level, like those are real people,

too. And when a mother is like pulling

her six-year-old dead body out of the

rubble, that's the same exact experience

as if your wife was pulling your

six-year-old out of there. Like that

same thing is happening to her. And once

you even just admit that it does change

the calculation, it changes the

calculation to be like, okay, look, the

onus is on you to demonstrate that this

is absolutely necessary. Like there is

no other option than to do it this way.

And that makes defending most wars very

difficult. Not all of them, you know,

but most wars are very difficult to

defend if you just run it through that

filter of like, is there any other

option other than this? Have you

exhausted everything else? And then of

course in the case with Israel and

Palestine, you go, "Oh, you never even

tried to just give them their

independence. You've never tried to just

let them out from this occupation and

see if maybe that will improve things."

And the answer is no.

>> Crazy that the world didn't at one point

in time stand up and say, "There's a

simple solution here.

>> Like these people should have a state.

Like why do you get to control them, but

they're not Israeli? like they're

they're a kind of a country

>> but not really cuz they're attached to

you.

>> Yeah. It's people

>> Why don't you guys go buy another

country and give it to them and let them

have a country or

>> Yeah.

>> They don't like being attached on the

same small patch of dirt to people that

have a totally different ideology, I

guess.

>> Well, that's right. And that look, I

mean, it's just

>> But we are.

>> Yeah.

>> We have Canadians right there.

>> Yes. But Canadians, Canadians do get

citizenship in their own country. You

know,

>> they get citizenship here, too. Boy,

that's the last thing I looking for is

[ __ ] Canadians. They're like,

>> "Oh, yeah. Your visa's expired and don't

worry about it, buddy. Get on the

plane."

>> They'd probably have a much easier time.

Like, Canadians will go, "All right,

guess I got to go."

>> Well, yeah. Also, they can just ditch

the accent and pretend they're Americans

and everybody will buy it if I don't say

about wrong.

>> Yeah.

>> You, you know, they could just say,

"Aha, sorry. I don't have my license on

me."

>> Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Like, okay,

buddy, where you from? I live in Iowa.

Okay, sounds right.

>> That does check out.

>> Get out of here.

>> All right.

>> [ __ ] that does check out.

>> You see the [ __ ] that's going on in the

airports? So, are they using

>> They're using ICE now at the airports

because first of all, how many ICE

agents are there? Aren't they busy?

>> How do you have time to put them in all

the airports? How many [ __ ] airports?

>> It's in the low tens of thousands.

There's not that many of them,

>> right? So, like, how many airports are

there? There's a lot of airports. Okay.

So, you're putting ice in the airports.

Where are you getting all these ice

guys? Are you hiring new ice guys to

take the airport jobs? Like is this like

it takes seven weeks to train them? So,

do they have like a surplus of like a

ice factory where they're turnurning

them out and putting them out there?

>> I heard So, I didn't see any of them. I

flew out here the other day. Uh, and I

didn't see any of them, but then I did

see people saying that they were at the

the airport I flew out from later that

day.

>> Up to 150. That's not a lot. Immigration

and Customs Enforcement officers were

deployed at airports across the United

States on Monday. So I of course, you

know, you get on social media, somebody

sends you something and somebody sent me

something. I'm not sure if it was true,

but it was like, look at the difference

between the lines at the airport before

ICE was there and after ICE was there

and tell me that only 10 million illegal

aliens got in.

They're like, they're like, "What is the

real We were talking about this last

night, like what's the real number?

>> What is the real number of illegals in

the United States?"

>> We don't know.

>> You were saying something about Anne

Coulter.

>> Yeah. Well, she had um and this was from

a while ago. So, this was well, she had

she had in her book, Adios America, she

had I believe it was from Bayer Sterns.

I could be wrong. Double check now. It

was one one of the big finance companies

that they had put a thing where like

they put it between like 30 and 50

million um total in the country.

>> Jeez.

>> And 50 is wild.

>> Yeah. And this is before Joe Biden and

them now. I don't know. Maybe maybe they

got those numbers wrong.

>> This is before So what year was this

book?

>> Uh I want to say 2014 2015.

>> Oh my god. That's 10 years ago.

>> Yeah. Yeah. A lot of them a lot of them

have come in since then.

>> Well, at least 10 million they believe

came in through the Biden

administration. So over four years.

>> Well, I remember the numbers being like

during the Biden administration where

they'd be like it was something like

last month there were 700,000 border

apprehensions and you're like, well,

geez, then how many were just floating

and you'd see those big caravans coming

in and stuff. I mean, look, it's a huge

that that still is a a huge scandal. Um,

and as much as I uh have really been

really criticizing Trump and the Trump

administration since last summer, um,

you know, he he's done a good job in

securing the border. That is the one

thing that like you kind of got to give

him and he got that secured like right

away. But even

>> even if you think that it should be open

and those people should be able to

travel freely, they should. There's no

one's illegal on stolen land, that kind

of [ __ ] Mhm.

>> You know how much sex trafficking

happened during that time of children?

You know how many children were

trafficked that way? You know how many

children were dragged across the border

and sold to psychopaths?

>> Oh, yeah. Oh, it was horrible. I mean, I

saw um Oh, there's an with at least 15

>> at least 50 million illegals in the

country today. See my book Adios America

for the analysis from Pulitzer

Prizewinning reporters and numbers

crunchers from Bear Sto.

>> I was right. It was Bear Sto.

>> This is 2022 this post. Wow. The book is

even older though.

>> The book is like the book is from before

I I want to say 2015, but it's it's

around then. Is crazy.

>> Uh that's crazy.

>> Supposedly, this is the book that uh got

Donald Trump on the immigration issue.

Uh at least I've heard I've heard Anne

Coulter say that before. Maybe that's

right. Maybe that's not right. But um

but yeah, I mean look, it's like it's

also a particularly it's a it's a

profound

like act of of treachery for a

government to do that to its own country

>> like to to allow that and and really

facilitate that to happen against the

will of the domestic population. Like if

if you were to I I've tried to look this

up before. I was trying to figure this

out cuz I did a big immigration debate

last year um or maybe the year before

and I was trying you can't even get

numbers on what the polling on open

borders is cuz no one even asked the

question in polling because it's like

they ask like do you think immigration

policy should be less restrictive or

more restrictive cuz cuz the number of

people who support open it's like maybe

1% of the country supports that. It's as

unified an issue as anyone could have

that. No, you can't just have the border

wide open, right? And so to do that to

the American people against the like you

you drastically change the country in a

way that is not really it's not easy to

just undo. I mean as we've seen right

Donald Trump backed off of mass

deportations almost immediately um

because big business doesn't want it and

then because look like the level of

violence that you'd need to just

physically deport 50 million people is

going to be something that the American

people just aren't going to put up with.

I mean, you even see in in Minnesota and

and rightfully so. I completely

understand it that you see like, you

know, I saw one thing. I saw that Trump

had asked the ICE agents who were going

to the airports to not wear their masks

>> and I was like, is that even a that's

even a an option? Why would they be

masked in the airport?

>> Because they're ICE agents because they

get doxed.

>> Well, that's their concern. And look, I

understand that. That's a real concern.

>> I understand that concern organized, but

at the same time, you know, there is a

balancing act there. And you know, a lot

of people, like a lot of right-wingers,

will say, "Hey, look, if you're, you

know, if you came here illegally, then

that's a crime. You're here illegally.

That's the law." And hey, I get that

argument. But also, the supreme law of

the land is the Constitution of the

United States of America. And I've seen

a ton of videos where there were masked

ICE agents, not even identifying

themselves, going up to people telling

them that you have to answer my

questions. You don't have an option to

walk away, which is like not true. That

was my take on it is that you can't

accept people that are masked, that

don't have any paperwork, that don't

have a warrant on the streets in

militarized situations because if

they're using it for this, which you

agree to, that opens up the door for

them to use it because you won't take

your vaccine or because you did this or

did that or whatever the [ __ ] it is. If

a different person gets in power, maybe

they're going to use it for something

you don't support. It's just not

something you're supposed to accept.

>> That's right. You don't want to hear

something that someone told me that is

uh this is a very credible source that I

can't reveal what the source is

>> but they told me that there are people

in this country and not just a few but

many many that are affiliated with

terrorist organizations

directly affiliated but they've applied

for asylum and because they've applied

for asylum you can't deport them until

they go through the entire process. That

is wild.

>> That is wild. So, there's people that

are known at least terrorist

sympathizers. They're in communic direct

communication with terror terrorist

networks. They've done things with

terrorist networks and they've applied

for asylum. So, you have to go through

this long ass process through the legal

system and it's up to a judge whether or

not this person who may or may not be a

part of a [ __ ] sleeper cell gets to

stay in America.

Yeah,

>> suicidal empathy. That's what Gad Sad

calls it, you know, and I think he's

right.

>> I think he's got a fair point there with

suicidal empathy in terms of the idea of

like that we that we cannot say on some

level that it's like no, look, we have a

desire to preserve our society and we we

want to do what's bad and we don't have

to out of some feeling of guilt turn our

country into something worse than what

it otherwise would be. So, I think he's

got a point there. I think and look, I'm

not a big fan of Gad. He uh literally

just him and like Sam Harris and a few

others, they literally just trash me all

the time and refuse to engage on a

single thing I've said. So like it'll

just be doesn't engage with you. He

calls me Wikipedia Dave

>> on Twitter and it's a Well, look, I

>> I like the guy.

>> Look, I have a different relationship

with him than you do.

>> Well, that's true. And I'm a big critic

of Israel and he's a MSAD agent. So

there is that. That is part of

>> You think he is? He's admitted that he

worked for Assad

>> in the past.

>> Yes. Yeah. He's I guess he would say

he's not currently retired. Like I used

to

>> I used to work for Newport Crearyy. I

don't represent them anymore.

>> I think it's a little bit different with

the MSAD thing. But I also think that

the the big component that I think all

of those guys are are missing is that we

also create more enemies with our

foreign policy. And that's that's not to

say that like, you know, they always

kind of caricature my position on this.

Like I'm not saying Islam is all

peaceful and there are no problems in

the Islamic world or anything like that.

In fact, I don't think any religion has

truly always been peaceful. Um but you

know for guys like say like Sam Harris

um who these kind of like pretend

intellectuals who have spent he spent

his entire career talking about how

violent and irrational the Muslims are

and how you can't even draw a cartoon of

Muhammad or Muslims will want to do

violent stuff and like hey fair enough

that's [ __ ] and we should all say

like if you want to be over here in the

west our values are free speech and you

cannot kill people for cartoons but And

like none of them ever also go, "Hey,

you know, murdering an Ayatollah

might be dangerous during Ramadan."

>> Yeah. Like that is, you know, that is

not just a political figure to Shiite

Muslims. That is a So, at the same time,

it's like, okay, I'm fine with saying,

okay, you don't want to have suicidal

empathy. Um my uh my my buddy Keith

Knight, who's brilliant, uh works over

at the Libertarian Institute, he had I

forget what he said, but he he said

something like, "Okay, I don't want to

have suicidal empathy. Let's also not

have homicidal empathy, you know, and so

like maybe it also is like as we were

tying into that whole conversation with

No, I'm okay. Thanks." Um, with the

whole thing about the the kids and women

in Gaza, it's like it's also the fact

that if you just view slaughtering

Muslim children in the Middle East and

in Northern Africa as like just an

acceptable political price, you know,

that's just collateral damage. And

unfortunately, that happens when we

pursue this policy. You're going to deal

with more and more of that. And the

combination of both, Joe, like the

combination of having open borders,

having all these people get in and

continuing the war on terrorism and

slaughtering people in these numbers

must be the most insane combination

ever. The idea that you'd be like, we're

going to uh, you know, we're going to

just make an entire generation of of

Muslims hate us because so many of them

have seen what we've done to their

countries. And also, we'll welcome all

of them in with no checks and we can't

get rid of them when they come here.

Yeah, that is quite a combination. Yeah,

it's it's all nuts.

It's uh the Sam Harris thing. Um I

should clarify this because he's

apparently talked about me again

recently with on Bill Maher. We didn't

not talk because it was his idea. It was

me. I He wanted to do a podcast with me.

He wanted to do a co like a COVID, you

know, wrapup like to, you know, go over

everything that happened, all the

mistakes that were made and his

position, my position, cuz that's where

we kind of like separated. It was he was

very pro- vaccine.

Um, I said I won't do that until you

talk to Brett Weinstein.

>> That you need to talk to Brett. Like

Brett, you you disparaged him publicly.

I think you said things that weren't

correct. You called him a conspiracy

theorist and you said you wouldn't

platform him because it's dangerous. I

don't believe that's true. I I believe

the problem is that Sam was incorrect

about both the effectiveness and the

safety of the co vaccines. Brett was

correct. And the Brett didn't insult

Sam. Sam insulted Brett. I mean, Brett

said things about Sam since, but it was

it was Sam. And I said, "Look, you got

to talk to him first. you can't just

talk to me, you know, especially because

he's an actual evolutionary biologist.

Like he he understands these things.

>> He knows what he's talking about. He's

had multiple conversations with high

level vaccinologists and all these

different people that worked on the MR M

RNA vaccines. Like he was correct. We

all know that now. We know that all the

things that he was talking about,

whether it's masking doesn't work,

social distancing, the the lockown,

lockown, all the above. All the above.

He didn't want to talk to Brett. And I

said, "That doesn't make sense to me."

Like, you talk to everybody. You have

debates with Muslims on stage. That

doesn't make any sense. Like, why

wouldn't you talk to Brett? I don't

think he wanted to talk to Brett

>> because I don't I think he didn't want

to talk to Brett because Brett's right.

>> Yeah.

>> I think it's And I I think it's

indefensible. No, I completely agree. I

I mean, you know, I had a

>> By the way, I don't hate Sam. You know,

he could say all the crazy [ __ ] he

wants. He also said like, "I don't think

you should interview Gaddafi." Guess

what? I would if Gaddafi was alive. 100%

I would interview Gaddafi. Gaddafi. Do

you ever hear Russell Crowe talk about

Gaddafi?

>> I don't think so.

>> He did a clip that went viral that was

on this show where he talked about why

they wanted to get rid of Gaddafi,

>> right? And like while they talk talked

about how evil Gaddafi was and how he

subjugated his people, you can't see if

you could find that Russell Crow on

Gaddafi.

Um he wanted to create a United States

of Africa.

>> Yeah.

>> He wanted to get him on the gold

standard. He wanted to get him off the

US dollar. He like he had some very

dangerous ideas.

>> Now he also supported Palestinian

resistance.

>> Yeah, that was it.

There's no sound thing in there. Oh,

there it is.

Here it is.

>> We are taught, for example, to regard

Gaddafi in a certain way.

>> Okay. But if you look into what happened

in his country while he was the leader,

you look into the fact that every person

is given a house at a certain age.

You look at the fact that everybody's

education and health care is free. You

look at if somebody showed a particular

talent for something that required

further education overseas, all of the

costs that were paid for by the

government. Now, these are all things

put in place by the same country's

leader that we're told is evil and

corrupt.

>> Yeah.

>> So, it doesn't quite balance.

>> Well, there's also US government

interference. That's a that's a That is

one that we definitely monkeyed with. I

mean, he ran a foul of the United States

government. We are taught, for examp,

>> but laughing. And then that led to it,

Libya, at least for a while, becoming a

failed state. Oh, it still is.

>> It still is this whole time, man. It's

been a disaster.

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the thing is that they called that

Hillary's war. Uh, she really she was

the Secretary of State at the time under

Barack Obama, but she's really the one

who championed that. And I believe Obama

wrote in his book that he was 5050 and

that Hillary pushed him to that. He said

his big regret was that he didn't think

about what came next after Gaddafi

because somehow we haven't learned that

lesson yet. Like after Iraq, you'd never

thought of that. Um,

>> listen. But, thank God Trump's figured

it out.

>> Oh, yeah. That's the Yeah, Trump's

Trump's figured it out. We'll go in this

drastic new direction of getting the

seventh war that they want.

>> Don't be a [ __ ] Dave. Jesus Christ.

Did you see that one I don't know what

military expert was on television who

said something about we need to I'm a

fan of boots on the ground like Rome.

Like, hey [ __ ] Rome didn't have

nuclear weapons and drones.

>> Rome didn't have drones that hunt you.

Yeah.

>> Like, what we talking about? Boots on

the ground. Should we fight with swords?

Should we get everybody to fight with

swords? Is that what you're saying?

>> The [ __ ] are you saying?

>> Well, also like what

what even is the plan with boots on the

ground? Like what are you talking about

here? You're going to you're going to

take an island. It goes, okay, well then

you're going to be a target. You're

going to be target practice as long as

the Iranian regime is still standing.

And if you're talking about militarily

occupying the country like we did with

Iraq or Afghanistan or something like

that, this is a huge country with 92

million people. How many how many

soldiers you think you need to occupy

that country? At least at least half a

million. And probably you can't do it

with that. So what are you talking about

here? And so you're saying what are we

going to start a draft for the least

popular war going in in American

history? Cuz I don't think that's

happening.

>> Yeah, this is maybe

slightly more popular than Vietnam.

>> Uh going in it's less. I'm sure Vietnam

by the end was very very unpopular.

Well, Viet Vietnam going in didn't make

any sense, did it? There was, I guess,

the Gulf of Tonkan incident.

>> Most people in America were like, "Why

are we doing this? What's going on?

You're drafting people to go to Vietnam.

We're fighting communism in Vietnam."

>> Yeah.

>> What?

>> Well, they called uh what they called it

Vietnam syndrome that the American

people had, which is that we didn't want

to fight a war again after that. Was

that that's from their perspective,

that's a syndrome. Um and uh this is

it's really something. They think they

think by the way Ben Shapiro used this

same uh line called he said Trump

finally broke Iraq war syndrome because

they think see from Ben Shapiro's

perspective the illness is after you lie

the American people into a war and

slaughter a million people. The illness

isn't that that you might look at that

as the bad part, but the bad part is

that these these annoying Americans have

this tendency to not want to do that

again after that. Um, but he claims

Trump has broken Iraq war syndrome. Of

course, there's really no evidence with

support of the American people that that

has changed at all. And you know the

George HW Bush uh was said to have

defeated Vietnam war syndrome uh in

Panama and in Iraq because they were

relatively easy, you know, bloodless on

the American side or or very very

limited uh you know injuries and deaths.

Um and and they you know they weren't

like quagmires that went on forever or

whatever. But of course after the

Persian Gulf War in in '92, we went on

to be bombing Iraq for

ever since essentially, you know, I

mean, for 30 straight years after that,

we were still at war with that country.

>> You think for a million people being

dead.

>> Um, what is public support? Let's put

that into our sponsor perplexity. What

is current public support for the Iran

war in America? And first of all, how

will they know? No one's asked me.

>> You know what I'm saying? That's a fair

question. Like that's what I would say

about about uh polls. When was the last

time you answered a poll? When was the

last time anybody called you up and

said, "Dave Matt, first of all, when was

the last time you ever picked up the

phone if you didn't know who was

calling?" And then when you do answer,

when was the last time you said yes to a

poll?

>> I don't I don't even remember ever

getting calls.

>> It has to be the dumbest of dumb people

that answer those polls. So then you got

to realize out of those stupid [ __ ]

idiots,

even how many of them think the war is a

good idea?

It's even unpopular amongst them.

>> I mean, what does it say here? Most

recent national polls show Americans

overall oppose the current war with Iran

and think US military action has gone

too far. Um, a Quinnipac poll finds 54%

What is Quinnipac? Quinnipak poll finds

54% of US voters uh oppose US military

action against Iran and 39% support it.

I wonder how many of those 39% or

>> and

>> well not too much. We don't have the

numbers.

>> A poll reports about six and right. What

is the number of Jewish people in

America? 2% something like that.

>> Uh six and 10 adults say US military

action against Iran has gone too far.

Only about a quarter say it's been about

right. 25% poof. First of all, you know,

whenever you're talking about these kind

of things, it's like who again, who who

are we talking about? Who who was asked

finds Republicans largely support the

military action around 86% support.

Whoa. Yeah. There's

>> really cuz I talked to a lot of

Republicans who think it's a terrible

idea. While large majorities of

Democrats around 92% and independents

about 64% oppose it. 92%. Who are the

eight% of Democrats that are like,

"Let's [ __ ] go." You think maybe

they're Jew?

>> They work for CNN. They, you know,

whatever.

>> CNN thinks it's a good idea. No,

>> dude. CNN is running cover for Donald

Trump during this time.

>> For real?

>> Oh, yeah.

>> No way.

>> Yeah. They put up a poll the other day.

They had a graphic that said 100% of

MAGA supports the war in uh in Iran.

There's It's like after all these years

>> say he liked it or something like that.

Oh, but hold on a second.

>> Is that running cover or is that making

them look bad? Because most Americans

don't support the war and most

Democrats, 92% don't support the war.

So, if that's the case, wouldn't that

just make it look like these MAGA people

are a [ __ ] problem?

>> I I I guess.

>> Oh my god. MAGA GOP view of Trump. Can I

hear how he says it or would it be a

problem?

>> Among him talking, it's someone else

talking.

>> Okay, that seems bonkers. That seems

bonker. Approve 100%. How many people

did you ask? Two.

>> Two guys with MAGA hats on.

>> If you notice the way they say this,

right? So they don't just say GOP

voters. They say MAGA GOP voters. And so

what they're doing here is that they're

filtering who they consider to be MAGA.

And who they consider consider to be

MAGA are the people who still say they

support Donald Trump. But like 100% of

the people who don't support this war

stop supporting Donald Trump over it.

>> Right. But look at this little thing on

the bottom that they they don't show

you. 66% 31% split amongst non-MAGA,

>> right? And

>> but is that non-MAGA Republicans? Is

that what you're saying?

>> No, I think that's non-MAGA Americans, I

believe. Um,

>> how like the the whole MAGA thing, it's

like how did we're so fractioned as it

is? Yeah.

>> Like this whole idea of uh right versus

left as it is and now you've got a MAGA

section of the right.

>> It's all just ridiculous, dude. But it's

a way to describe it as anything other

than what it is, which is the most

unpopular war in American history going

into it. And for good reason. Look,

dude, he didn't even bother to like sell

us on a propaganda campaign about it. He

It was like the laziest like just lie

just lie us into it. Put on a [ __ ]

firm tinfoil hat right now. Let's Let's

get a double layer Reynolds wrap.

[ __ ] crease the edges, fold it down.

Why would he want to do this? Why would

he want to? Look, I am not denying that

the regime of Iran is a giant problem. I

am certainly not denying that if I was

Israel, I would not want them there.

They hate you. They're trying to get a

nuclear weapon. They're right there.

You're I get the Israel position. I

totally understand how they're so

just vehemently in defense of their

homeland. Like, they're surrounded by

people that hate them. They're the one

Jewish country. Everyone else is is a

Muslim. They all want a caliphate. They

all want to kill him. It's been going on

forever. They think it's in God's word

that they have it. It's all a lot of

craziness. I get it.

Why

now? Like why now? Like what does that

make any sense? Well, um, Trump himself

has said, which literally this would be

like considered an anti-Semitic

conspiracy theory if anyone else had

said it, but Donald Trump has openly

talked about many times, how the Adles

give him all this money and they come by

every day and all they have is another

demand on behalf of Israel. Um, Donald

Trump also very early in his political

career uh got in trouble with the Israel

lobby and then immediately pivoted to uh

blaming the to winning their favor back

over by saying he would tear up the

JCPOA, the Iran deal that Obama got us

into. And it looks to me,

you know, other speculation aside, who

knows exactly what control they have

over the guy, but it looks to me that

after Venezuela

and when there were these big uh street

protests and riots against the regime

and Iran there, that they convinced

Trump, and this is what Joe Kent, his

director of of uh counterterrorism, has

said too, that they essentially

convinced him that this would be the

time you could do it swiftly, surgically

remove the regime and the people would

rise up uh and and overthrow it. And

that this is what Donald Trump said when

he launched this war. He said, "This is

a regime change and I'm calling on the

great people of Iran to rise up." And

they did. They rose up uh by at least

the hundreds of thousands, they were out

in in Tyrron in defense of the regime

chanting Death to America. Because it

turns out when you kill 165 little

girls, that doesn't make a country go,

"We love you. Thank you for that.

>> Right. But before the bombing, there

were people in the streets that were

protesting and people were killed

because of that. A lot. That's the other

thing is that that regime is like they

they clamp down and they do it with

public figures. They killed a very

prominent wrestler from Iran is really

two of them. They killed one a few years

back. The UFC tried to step in and

somehow another stop it, but he was also

one that was accused of protesting

against the government.

>> Listen, I don't know this most recent

one. And I'm not saying this is true at

all. I don't trust any governments. But

he was they claimed he killed a few

cops. That's what the the Iranian regime

said he was being hung for. Now I don't

Yeah, the wrestler. He was he was

convicted of that, whatever that means

in a in a mull run court, you know. So