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>> What's happening, man? Good to see you.

>> Yeah. See you, man.

>> Hold up to that microphone, sir.

>> All right.

>> Um,

you were [ __ ] great at that McConna

thing last year. I really enjoyed that.

That was my first time seeing you

perform live. It was really cool. It was

very cool. You're so relaxed up there,

man. So, it was like you brought

everybody into a nice like comfortable

chill vibe. It was cool.

>> I'm glad you guys felt felt that way.

Sometimes it's uh it takes me a minute

to get into the groove, you know?

>> Yeah. But it felt like that, you know,

like felt like you were in it. Like it

brought us it brought the whole crowd

into it, too. That that event that he

does, the two events, the one the singer

songwriter one and then the other one

with the auction and everything,

>> they're so cool. Such good events. Yeah,

they're good people, too. You know, it's

uh

>> I uh really grown to just appreciate the

community around here in Austin and the

Hill Country area and all of that stuff.

I definitely

>> uh wouldn't have the career, I don't

think, if it wouldn't have been for the

community around here that just

supporting songwriters and music and the

way that they do. It's pretty

incredible. You know, when they get

behind anything, it's just like it just

feels so good to see that many people

come together and and you know, have

that support, you know?

>> It's a really good place, man. Austin is

a really good community. It really is a

very positive place in a lot of ways. I

mean, nothing's perfect. There's no

perfect places, but it's

>> it's really good. I like it so much

better than when I was living in

California. Just feels like

>> real people just

>> I miss it, man. I mean, I'm I'm I'm move

in the process of moving back to to

Texas as well.

>> Where you at right now?

>> Uh outside of Dallas, Texas, out by

Tyler, but I've been in Topanga Canyon

in LA for years, you know. So, I've been

in the middle of it and um

>> doing that Hollywood thing.

>> Every time I get across the state line,

it's just like that weight comes off and

you're just like, "Ah, man. I'm home."

You know? So, yeah.

>> Dude, you had the coolest [ __ ]

character on Yellowstone.

>> It was such It must be so fun to play.

>> It was so much fun, man. I had the I I

laugh. I always talk about it. I kind I

felt like I had like one of the easiest

jobs there, you know? It's cuz my the

character was kind of a smaller role,

you know? Most of the time I' i'd work

like one or two days a week and then the

rest of the time I'd just be like fly

fishing and get lost in the mountains

and just disappear out there. Yeah, it

was awesome.

>> God, Montana's awesome. That show made

so many people move out there though.

>> I know. You're going to take your

license plate off your car before you

go,

>> right? You better not have a California

plate.

>> They will [ __ ] write things on your

hood,

>> run you off the road.

>> Yeah, they get upset. It's very

interesting. They're very proud to be

from Montana and they want to keep it to

themselves. Like, let it go,

[ __ ] We're all Americans. All

right. If you got a good spot, you

should be happy that people from

California figure it out.

>> Yeah.

>> Don't be a dick.

>> Like, you're American, [ __ ] You're not

It's not the United States of Montana.

Shut the [ __ ] up.

>> I guess it's kind of anywhere, right?

You know,

>> not that much here.

>> Yeah.

>> Here's pretty inviting. I've never had

that experience here.

>> Yeah.

>> Not really.

>> Texas is a pretty friendly place, you

know,

>> and there's so many different walks of

life that that have been here for so

long. You know, I think up there

>> in Montana and stuff, man, if you were

tough enough to survive those winters

and stake a claim up there back in the

day, you had to fight for it. And

they're still fighting for it now. You

know,

>> that does make sense. I mean, and that's

also one of the things that's

highlighted by the whole series, the all

the different Yellowstone series, the

older ones with Harrison Ford and, you

know,

>> it they really do explain in a lot. I

mean, it's kind of a a cool chunk of

history to see like how this all got

started. How the kind of people that had

to survive out there when

>> you know you all you got is a fireplace.

>> Yeah,

>> that's it. You got a fireplace.

>> I love all those mountain men stories,

you know, Jim Bridger and all that

stuff. It's just like, man, and there is

something you get up there in those

mountains, they get into gets in

mountains get into your bones. It gets

into your blood and it's a it's a

different thing, man. I It's a spiritual

place. It is. And it's also it's like

the most potent art. Like it's it's

nature's art. And you don't think of it

as art, but god it it's so beautiful.

It's like stunn. Like sometimes when

you're up there, you just have to stop

and look like, "God, this is gorgeous."

>> It's overwhelming. If you

>> It has a It gives you a feeling. There's

like It's a almost like a drug that hits

you because of the beauty of it all.

Like you take it in with the blue sky.

You see the clouds and the mountain and

maybe there's a lake below you in the

canyon. You're like,

>> "God, this is gorgeous."

>> It's like you you feel it in your your

DNA, man.

>> It's like your your body knows like this

is a fertile, beautiful place that's

filled with life and this should excite

you. So all your natural human reward

instincts are all like this is a place I

should be.

>> Yeah.

>> Like look at the sky, look at the lake,

look at the mountains. This is fertile.

This is like lifegiving.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Several years ago um I went

to a guide school up there, like a

hunting guide school. Mhm. And uh it was

a whole pack squad. It part of it I grew

up cowboying and ranching, but I've

never really been up there in those

mountains like that. And I'm

>> My dad would always fantasize about

that. We'd talk, you know, one day we're

going to go on like a pack trip up in

Montana and, you know, we'd watch all

those movies like Lonesome Dove and all

of that stuff. So it was always just

kind of a daydream. And um years ago I

was just kind of overwhelmed with music

stuff and all that and didn't what know

what I was going to do. And I ended up I

just wanted to go up there for a trip,

you know, maybe go on a pack trip and I

started looking up places. And I found

this uh place called Royal Time

Outfitters and they're like, "Yeah, you

know, we come up and you can take take

you on a pack trip or but we also have

like this six week school, you know,

that you can train to be a guide. It's

all uh mule pack and all kinds of stuff,

you you know, and so I was like, man,

I'm going to sign up for that, you know,

and it was lifechanging. There's only

six of us in the class and um, you know,

spent weeks back in the back country

packing mules and horses and

>> Oh, wow.

>> We just tie a rope between two trees

with a tarp for sleeping at night and

always post up a couple of guys to watch

over the horses at night. And I remember

one morning I woke up and it was in

June, you know, but we were way back in

there and uh I woke up and the snow was

coming down and I I just kind of raised

my head up and I was looking out at the

horses and the snow was just falling

down in their backs and there was that

moment in me. I was like, I don't know

if I'm ever going back, you know? I was

like, this is right where this is where

where I need to be, right?

>> It was it was tough to come back to uh

civilization after that. I think we're

doing something with ourselves to

ourselves with civilization that we

can't really fully appreciate because

we're wrapped in it. And it's not until

you get to nature where all that weight

just gets lifted off of you and you feel

more normal and you're like, "Oh, this

is where people are supposed to be."

>> Yeah. you know, no phones, there's no

nothing, no distractions. And it's just

like you all your senses heightened,

your eyesight, your hearing, your sense

of smell, like all of that stuff. And

>> you know, I remember going into it, you

know, I didn't know what to expect

really. I've done some camping and

things like that and grew up ranching

and all that, but this was a way

different deal. And I remember I just

had this like backpack full of gear, you

know, and by the time I got out of

there, like I just felt like all I

needed was a pair of scissors and some

way to start some fire, you know, and

that was about it.

Yeah. I follow this one dude. God, I'm

I'm trying to remember his name. Clay,

let me let me pull it up because uh I

really enjoy his uh his videos. But this

dude is he lives uh I believe he lives

in Alaska but he does a lot of trips in

America like all over America in the

lower 48 and he goes and like lives by

himself in some kind of harsh

environment like he's done it in the

swamps

clay that's it

>> does he like take his kid out there I

believe he has he's taken his dog

>> but a lot of times he just goes entirely

by himself. self.

>> Mhm.

>> And uh they're very very interesting.

Like he starts his own fire. He'll

figure out how to get food. He figures

out how to purify water. He's taken salt

water and made his own thing that kind

of distills it into fresh water and

removes the salt like very slowly by

using a piece of bamboo and fire and

boiling the water in the bamboo so that

like the water evaporates and then drips

down and it doesn't have salt in it

apparently. Yeah, I love that stuff,

man. I mean, just to have those skills,

just to know how to do it, like whether

you'll ever need it or not, just to know

how to do that, it's just so cool. I

remember

>> um

>> in that that guide school, there's a lot

of different parts to it, which was so

cool. Like we did a whole week of like

backcountry um like wilderness first

aid, you know, he had guy had a

paramedic come in and teach us all this

stuff. And then there was a whole week

of just like leather work. There was a

whole week of shoeing horses. There was

uh fly fishing and enmology and all

these just kind of little skills. But

one thing that really stuck with me was

a uh a fire building uh kind of drill

when we started when it was kind of

right when we first got there and it was

pretty wet and it had been snowing and

um there's only six of us, you know, and

we're guys from kind of all over the

country and I grew up in New Mexico and

West Texas where it's pretty dry, you

know, and you kind of build a fire. You

can kind of just take some little small

twigs and get a little fire going, you

know. And so he goes, "All right, you

got two minutes to build a fire and you

need to have, you know, like a flame to

be three or four feet high." And man,

I'm running around grabbing like little

sticks and twigs. And I'm just We have a

lighter, too. You know, I'm just

struggling. It's just smoking and we

can't get it going. I look over and

there's a kid from Alaska in the class.

and he just runs over to this big dead

pine tree and just breaks off the

biggest branch of dead, you know, pine

needles and takes his lighter and just

within like 5 seconds has this massive

fire going. I was like, "Okay, that's

how you do that." You know, and it was

so just the littlest things, you know,

to have that knowledge, you know, and

and part of it was, you know, he was

explaining to us the instructor. He's

like, "Yeah, you know, if you're out

here with you're guiding somebody that's

hunting, maybe he's an elderly guy or

somebody gets hurt and you get caught

back in the mountains and it's snowing,

it's like, you better get a fire going

and keep them warm real quick, you

know?" So, it was always a, you know, a

reason and a purpose behind it, which

was really cool. And um I'll never those

are some some of the things I I'll never

forget.

>> Did they teach you how to start fires

with like a piece of metal and like a

flint like you know what is that a

striking rod like? Yeah, we did some

flame stuff and with um like the pitch

wood from some of the old pine trees,

you know, you can find that pitch wood

and

>> uh we did some bow and wood drill stuff.

Not a whole lot.

>> That [ __ ] [ __ ] is hard.

>> It was hard. So hard.

>> I did that in the Boy Scouts and it took

like hours to start a fire.

>> Yeah,

>> it you have to [ __ ] keep saw and if

you're doing it with your hand, you're

going to blow your hands up. Like you

better get a bow.

>> Get your technique down, you know? You

better practice. You got to have the

stick on the top and the the the stick

that goes all the way to the base thing

and you cut a little hole in the base

thing so that like all the little embers

can fall into your kindling and you got

to saw the [ __ ] out of that [ __ ]

>> And imagine trying to do that, you know,

in the snow or it's wet, you know? It's

like, man, it's stuff's just

>> very very unlikely. You know what's

really good for kindling?

>> Fritos.

>> Really? All the oil that's in it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> It's kind of shocking.

>> Yeah. We were in Alaska and it was

raining all the time and there was one

day where it stopped. I was with uh my

friend Steve Reanella took me up there

with my friend Brian Cowan and

>> Ryan Callahan, all these guys. So we

went up there and when we got one day

like a 10-hour stretch where it was not

raining, we're like we got to start a

[ __ ] fire cuz it was it was raining

every day for like five days in a row

>> and we couldn't find any deer. It was a

nightmare. It was tough hunting.

>> Yeah. So we this one day and we were

trying to figure out things to light on

fire because everything's soaking wet.

And so we got some pieces of wood from

like underneath the bottom of trees and

[ __ ] and dead trees that were covered by

other things were kind of sort of a

little bit dry. And we used Fritos. And

Fritos when you light them, man, it's

crazy how much oil is in those things.

They just And they stay lit for a long

time like a candle.

>> Yeah. And so we started like piling

little thing and we got that fire. I was

like the happiest I've ever been in my

life.

>> Oh, I bet. When you're stuck just cannot

get once you get that kind of cold too

it's just like there's almost you know

>> it wasn't that bad coldwise. It was like

in the 50s or 60s. Yeah. It was just the

wetness. The wetness was impossible to

get away from. I thought once you get in

your tent you'd be dry. You get in your

sleeping bag you'd be dry. But

>> I had to take a piss in the middle of

the night and I had to turn on my

headlamp in the tent. And when I did, it

was all just mist.

>> Yeah.

>> Everywhere. It was moisture. And I was

like, "Oh my god, I'm never going to be

dry." I had to just accept like there's

no drying here.

>> How long How long were you guys back in

there?

>> About 6 days. We had to We had to leave.

We were supposed to be there for seven,

but we had to leave on the sixth day

because the storm was coming in. I was

like, I could get stuck cuz you can get

stuck up there. We were on uh I guess

Prince Edwards, is that what the island

is?

>> Yeah. Um you get stuck up there and I

was like, I got to get back home. I got

to work. Did y'all get fly in like on a

>> on a puddle jumper? Bush plane.

>> Yeah. We landed in the pond and drink in

and out of there. Huh.

>> Yeah, exactly. And you could drink right

out of the pond. Like the pond was all

rain water and there was no it was too

high for beavers so you didn't have to

worry about jardia or anything in the

water. You could just drink right out of

the pond. Like this is crazy.

>> Yeah, it's the best. I've never been

I've been to Alaska only like in in the

winter on a like skiing thing, but I've

always wanted to go up there to hunt and

fish. And

>> the people are extraordinary. Those are

rugged people. Like when I did a a gig

with my friend Ari in Anchorage and one

of the things it was weird because you

get there it's 11 p.m. it's bright out.

Like this is weird.

>> One of the things that we talked about

after was like those people were [ __ ]

cool. Like there's there's something

about living up there like where you

could die going outside like a good six

months out of the year. There's [ __ ]

bears everywhere. Uh if you you look

sideways at a moose, it'll stomp you to

death in a [ __ ] Walmart parking lot.

Like it's it's

>> you better have your [ __ ] together.

>> You better have your [ __ ] together.

There's bald eagles everywhere. The the

salmon are as big as your thigh. I mean,

the people there are they work together.

They There's like They're very friendly,

but they're very rugged, but they're

also like they realize you need each

other. Like there's a sense of like

>> community and coolness. Yeah, you need

each other. If you your [ __ ] car

breaks down the side of the road, you

could die. Like, someone's not going to

let you die. They're going to pull over.

In California, they're like, "Someone

will get them.

>> They just keep driving." So, you just

lose this sense of community.

>> Yeah. You're not calling You're You're

not That's That's who you're calling for

help in times of need is your neighbor,

right? Exactly. I mean, even if like the

bridge washes out, it's like here comes

your neighbor with the backhoe and the

tractor and like you just do it

yourselves. And that makes a cool

friendship when your friend helps you

out or when you help your friend out.

>> That's what I miss about living in

Texas, too. You know, it's just like

just some of the small things or

whatever that you like

>> even up at my place in Tanga, you know,

you want to build some fence or

whatever. Like I do I feel lucky. I've

got a couple really good friends up

there, neighbors that, you know, love to

come, you know, work with their hands

and or you get their hands dirty and

we'll build stuff and but like, man, in

Texas, you want to like weld something,

you need something with a tractor, some

heavy equipment thing, you know, like

you're not getting that done in

California. It's going to cost you a

fortune to, you know, get someone with a

skid steer up to your house to help you

move some dirt around, you know, but

here in Texas, it's like, oh man, just

call Frank down the road.

He's got one.

>> There's people that have a long

tradition of doing stuff, you know? It's

like

>> it's a real place.

>> I grew up like that, too. You know, um,

you know, people cutting hay and stuff

like that, especially when you're young,

like, man, we would go stack hay for

everybody around, you know. It's like

that was the summer job, you know. It's

like, let's just go.

>> That makes a strong person. People that

throw hay around, those are strong

mother. Like that term like farmer

strength, that shit's real.

>> Yeah, you better say. I was always a

little guy, too. So, I had to use some

learn how to use leverage real quick.

You got to roll those bells up on your

knee. I think one of the last times I

did that I remember is uh I was going to

school in Stevenville, Texas and had a

good friend over in Glenrose and it was

the middle of July and and he's an older

man and asked us to come help him stack

hay in his barn and it was you we're

stacking it in the barn, you know, so

and it's just like you're inside the

barn. It's just hot. It could have been

110 degrees in there, you know, and

we're talking hundreds of bales of hay

and it was just all we could do. Of

course, we're hung over.

you know, in college, we're trying to

we're stacking hay. I was like, I think

I think this is my last hay hauling job

right now.

>> Yeah. Those jobs, those are good for

letting you know that this is not the

life you want.

>> Yeah.

>> Like, get a good rugged manual labor

job. It'll knock some [ __ ] sense of

deal.

>> That's why I got the guitar, man. I I

learned pretty quick that the guitar

felt a lot better in my hands than that

shovel, dude.

>> Yeah, I know that feeling. I I spent one

summer doing insulation in an attic. It

was all that fiberglass insulation. I

had it in all my skin

in your eyes.

>> Yeah. You're sweating cuz it's hot. It's

the summer so it's getting into your

pores and you're always itchy. You feel

like it's on you all the time. Also,

like it's got to be terrible to be

breathing that [ __ ] in.

>> Oh, the worst. Yeah.

>> And I don't even think we were using

equipment. I don't think we used any

safety equipment. Like

>> heck no. You didn't have a mask on or

anything.

>> I don't believe so. I think we just

installed it. just unrolled that [ __ ]

and stuffed it into the

>> into the rafters

>> using paint with lead in it like

>> and then the back then the gasoline had

lead too.

>> So drinking out of the water hose,

>> right? Oh yeah. Yeah. I think it makes a

resilient person to drink out of water

hose.

>> Heck yeah. You get tough or die.

>> You get extra minerals from the [ __ ]

copper on the faucet.

Yeah, it's uh those jobs are really

important like for a young person to

figure out what they don't want to do.

>> Teaches you work ethic, teaches you

like, hey, like this is you can get some

satisfaction out of a hard day's work

and a hard week. Like you did it, you

put it in. Feel good about yourself. You

know, it was difficult to do, but don't

don't keep doing that.

>> Yeah.

>> Figure out a way out of this.

>> You you you got to understand that. You

understand it. You you got a feel for

it. You know what hard labor is, but

>> yeah,

>> don't ruin your life.

>> Yeah, I I I feel real grateful. My my

granddad was always a real hard worker

and even when I was 12 and 13, you know,

in the summers or I spent a lot of time

living with them and he always had a job

lined up for me, you know, it's like,

"Hey, you're going to go over here and

we're going to mow so and so's lawn this

morning or we're going to go over here.

We're going to send you out to Kins and

you're going to build some fence this

weekend or and always enjoyed it though.

I enjoyed those guys I was around and um

you know I' I'd work all day and then

we'd sit around and they'd drink beer in

the afternoon and tell me stories and

you know and even now like on my own

place you know it's like I don't want to

be building somebody else's fence but

I'm glad I know how to build my own you

know or things like that and have those

skills. I still love working around the

house and doing little projects and

things like that. I meet a lot of

younger guys and kids that

>> sometimes I I uh I guess I have

expectation that they know how to do

that kind of stuff, you know, they want

to come over to the house and help with

some projects and stuff. And I'm like,

"Oh, yeah, cool. We'll just,

>> you know, I already dug those holes and

set up a string line and we'll set these

posts." And they're like, "Okay." And

then after about a half hour, I look

over and they're just kind of looking at

the ground.

I'm like, "What are we doing here?" you

know that they're like, "I don't have a

clue what you want me to do." You know,

>> that's hilarious. That's hilarious.

>> But, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's it's wild.

It's changed, man. Kids ain't out there

mowing lawns no more, that's for sure.

>> No. Well, there's something about that

kind of work, like putting in fences and

all the stuff that you see the cowboys

doing on Yellowstone and then hanging

out together afterwards. that's so like

viscerally appealing to people. There's

something about watching that life like

it's you would say it's like a simple

difficult life

>> maybe I don't know what it is but

whatever it is it's like it's so

appealing

>> like so many people wanted to be cowboys

after they watched your show.

>> I think it's something goes to like you

were talking about that guy living off

the land and stuff like that. It's just

uh

you know something that's been ingrained

in us over thousands of years of

survival and like we h we all have that

in us still today and we just

unfortunately lose in touch with it

because we're not doing it as much. And

so when you get the opportunity to

>> even just go plant a garden or something

like that. I think that's it's in us,

you know, and it's a it wakes up

something within that's just been a

little bit dormant for a while, you

know. And

>> I think you're right. You know,

>> I think that's exactly what it is. I

think it is like it's in our memory like

the memory of our genes that this is

like a pleasing life. This is a

satisfying life.

>> It's like that mama bear energy you know

kids come it's just like I was like oh

man you know.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's there, you

know, and it's just like I realized that

having kids, it's just like, oh man, it

wakes something up within you that's

always been there, you know, that you

were born to have, you know,

>> that that survival instinct and all of

those things. And

>> I I still that's what I still love about

it. Like I even at home being on the

road and being in big cities all the

time and you're just surrounded with

information and screens, man. As soon as

I get home or get outside or get into

nature, it just it wakes that stuff back

up in me and it I feel like it puts that

spark back in my eye, you know?

>> Yeah.

>> I uh try to stay in tune with that as

much as I can.

>> Well, it's clearly so appealing to

people that don't experience it. I mean,

how many people that are watching shows

like Yellowstone never go into those

areas, but they watch it, they're like,

"A

>> I want to live like that."

>> We see the like prices of horses, it

just skyrocketed like buying old for

like five grand and now it's like 50

>> 50,000 bucks for for a trail horse, you

know, which is cool, you know. I hope

people are enjoying that and getting

something out getting something out of

it. You know, I still I mean, I'm not

running a bunch of cows these days, but

I keep a few horses around and

especially for the kids, you know, and

whether they want anything to do with

them or not, like we enjoy so much in

the afternoons, go up and feeding them

some carrots or brushing their tails and

just being around that energy. my my

youngest little boy, he's just got he's

got some kind of mojo with animals, you

know, and I've got this old mule and her

name's Honey and she's got these big

ears and she's massive, you know, and I

remember when he was like three or four,

I'd be looking around for him in the

backyard and I'd look out in the pasture

and he'd be out there with that mule and

she'd have her head down and he's just

out there petting her ears, you know,

>> and just like his connection with those

animals and then, you know, getting kids

up to the house or that are from the

city that aren't around those animal.

It's their first time around horses or

maybe even dogs and stuff like that. And

you can see they're they're so anxious

and you know, not maybe so scared, but

it's just nervous. You know, it's just

big animals and stuff. And within like

20 minutes of just sitting them on their

back or petting them and then you see

them relax and you see that energy kind

of slow down and uh

>> I just I I love that, you know. I think

it's so magical to watch. And

>> yeah, that's another relationship that's

like primal, the relationship between

people and horsesh. Mhm.

>> They do that with addicts. They do equin

therapy

>> where they just have like people that

are they have like heavy anxiety and

depression. They have them hang out with

horses.

>> I think even mess I still do. I mean I I

I have get depressed and stuff like that

every now and then. And I love being

around them. I can walk out to the barn

and just being around them and

>> laying relax and it's just like ah yeah

all right here we go.

>> Just touching their head makes you feel

better. Like hey how are you honey?

>> What's happening? They look at me,

connect, you know, I get eye contact

with them.

>> I think it's a looking into your soul.

>> An ancient thing. I mean, they helped us

survive.

>> We and you know, and we took care of

them. It's like this ancient

relationship and then when you're around

them, that connection like immediately

rebonds, reestablishes.

>> I think it's in our DNA. I mean, just

think about like how many

>> generations of humans had to survive on

horseback

>> before anybody invented anything else.

Yeah.

>> It's like if you wanted to travel faster

than you could run, it had to be a

[ __ ] horse. So that was probably

thousands and thousands and thousands of

years just cooked into our DNA.

>> And when you're around him, it's like,

"Ah, my friend. This is my friend."

>> It's waking it back up.

>> It's there. Yeah.

>> It's weird that that stuff is in you.

>> Mhm.

>> That nature stuff is in you. I mean,

that's why we like watching shows like

this Clay Guy.

>> I love that, too. I love that uh Steve

Reanella show, that meat eater. I like

watching that with my kids. And uh uh

aren't you are you friends with Remy

Warren?

>> Oh, yeah. Real good friends.

>> He ended up being my neighbor when I was

in Montana working on Yellowstone.

>> Oh, really?

>> Yeah. That's crazy.

>> And uh I you know I what I I really

liked up there was where they filmed the

show. You know, it was kind of way out

there southwestern Montana and a lot of

folks that were working on the show

would go back to Missoula on in the

cities. But I was like, man, I want to

go get as far away out there as I can.

And and so I kind of went down this West

Fork area that's on the the right on the

edge of the most massive wilderness

areas out there that goes into Idaho.

And uh the road I was on, you know, was

paved dirt, then it dead ended and it

turned into a dirt road. And then I got

this cabin. It was just way back up in

there with no Wi-Fi, no nothing, you

know, and I just um just disappeared out

there. And um and ended up meeting some

folks and Remy was just right down the

road uh going towards Sula. And so I got

the chance to just go over there and

hang out with him and go stomp around

the mountains with him. Such a cool

dude. It's like

>> Remyy's the best.

>> Just, you know, like you're talking

about going to Alaska. You know, I love

going into those places, but like you

want somebody like that with you when

you go.

>> For sure.

>> Yeah.

Yeah, he knows how to get around.

>> Yeah.

>> And he used to have a great show. Uh

well, first of all, he had Solo Hunter

where he'd go and film everything

himself, which is so much more difficult

than just hunting.

>> He set up the he would carry tripods

with him and [ __ ] and set it up and make

sure the the camera's on the animal

before he would shoot it and then film

himself

>> film himself moving up to there. Set up

different cameras that could show him

executing the shot. I'm like, "God,

that's so complicated."

>> He's a beast, man. and just try just

trying to keep up with him, you know,

just walking around the mountains with

that guy. I'm like, "Oh, man. Wait up.

I'll be coming."

>> Yeah. They get that mountain cardio.

>> Yeah. He's like a mountain goat.

>> Well, he, you know, he hunts probably

200 plus days a year. And on top of

that, he does a lot of guiding. And when

he's doing guiding, he's like always in

the mountains, always hiking. It's like

you you just get conditioned to it.

>> Yeah. He's fit. I I went to Hawaii with

him and did an axis hunt over there.

Cool. One of the coolest things I ever

did. And uh I I got this buck and

we were loading him up in the truck and

all that and he was like, "Man, I'm

gonna uh I'll meet you guys back at

camp." You know, and it was dark

already. And like I know, you know,

during the day we were hunting. It was

just I mean steep mountains up and down.

And uh I said, "You're just going to

meet us back." He's like, "Yeah, I'll

meet you back." And he just put on his

backpack and just took off running. And

we, you know, drove down this mountain

road to go back and he beat us there by

like a half an hour, you know, and that

was his workout, though. He's like,

"It's part of my workout. I'll meet I'll

meet you guys back there. I was like,

"Oh, you're you're an animal."

>> That's funny. Axis deer in in Hawaii is

very interesting cuz they were given um

to King Kamehameha in like I don't

remember what year it was. Find out what

year they got introduced there, but

they're everywhere now.

>> Um I've gone to Lai a bunch of times.

That's where we went hunting.

>> Yeah, it was wild. There thousands of

them everywhere everywhere. and you're

trying to sneak up on a group of 10 and

then you don't even realize there's like

a hundred right here laying down that

you didn't even see and then they get up

and spook the rest and stand. Well, you

know, you've you've been there. Uh,

>> okay. It was in the 1800s a gift uh to

Kim Kamehameha

from India and uh there's 30,000 of them

in Lai and only 3,000 people.

>> Yeah. I mean,

>> it's crazy.

>> Weird. It's the only place where you can

go hunting, bow hunting, and you stay at

the Four Seasons,

>> right? I think Remy said he got kicked

out of there though cuz he he was

hunting so much and you know that all

that red clay there, you know, on your

boots and stuff. He said so the whole

hotel was just like red clay everywhere.

The the fridge is just full of meat, you

know, like blood dripping out.

>> They kicked him out of there.

>> Oh, I don't know if they'd kicked him

out, but like he's like, "Well, maybe we

ought to go find somewhere else to stay,

you know."

>> Well, just take off your boots before

you come inside. That's all it is. But

yeah, it's that weird red clay and and

it all used to be part of the Dole

pineapple plantation.

>> So when you're around there, one of the

things you notice is like there's layers

of dirt, but then there's like almost

looks like plastic bag underneath it.

Like a like a hefty bag

>> from all the farming.

>> Yeah. So I guess they had a layer of

like that kind of whatever the [ __ ] a

Hefty bag is made out of, whatever that

plastic is. And then the dirt was on top

of that somehow and then the pineapples

would grow up through it.

>> Subs keep moisture and stuff like that

in the ground.

>> Yeah, I would imagine. But it's it's

it's disconcerting because it doesn't

feel like nature. It feels weird. It's

like this is weird. There's plastic

everywhere on the ground.

>> Yeah.

>> You get in the mountains and like those

old World War II turrets and stuff that

are up there. You come across any of

that. I mean, it's just like

>> first of all like hunting axis deer on

in Lai and like you get up on the top

and you're surrounded by the ocean. I

mean, what a trip, you know? just seeing

that and then coming across all those

old relics and just all the history

there. It's just something to take into

and uh we are laughing because obviously

they're trying to like control the

population of the axis deer there. And I

think somebody some somebody mentioned

like man just get a couple of bangle

tigers out here.

>> Exactly.

>> That that'll thin out the population.

>> Let's thin out the population of people

too unfortunately. Yeah.

>> The thing about them is that they did

evolve around tigers. That's why they're

so fast. like they'll jump a string

faster than any animal I've ever seen in

my life. I have a video of me shooting

at an access deer at 80 yard and it's uh

we have a slow-mo of the arrow.

>> So, as the the arrow's coming, it's a

perfect shot within 10 yards of him, he

hears it and

and he's gone. It's the craziest thing.

Like you you look at it, you're like,

how the [ __ ] did he move that fast? This

thing's going at least well from the

actual like leaving the bow. It's going

275 feet per second.

>> Yeah.

>> And he can get out of there within 10

yards. Within 10 yards, he's hearing it

coming and he's like, "See you."

>> And nowhere near him. Like it he was a

foot in front of It was a The arrow

landed a foot behind his ass.

>> Jeez.

>> That's how fast they move.

>> Yeah.

>> It's crazy.

>> How long did you go there for a while or

just kind of like a few times trips?

Yeah. Um, we found that the best time to

hunt is actually in the afternoon

because in the afternoon it's really

windy. And when it's really windy, it

covers your sound a little better. The

morning's rough.

>> Yeah,

>> the morning's rough. Like the morning I

I got a couple of them in the morning.

Couple of times morning hunting I got a

deer. But it's a lot of blown stalks.

You got to walk super slow. You got to

be real cautious. And again, there's a

lot of high brush and you don't know

where the [ __ ] they're hiding.

>> Yeah. You got to kind of find a pinch

point and

>> yeah, you jump one and then the rest of

them sound off. The way they bark and

all of that's pretty crazy, too.

>> It's weird. It's a weird noise. What you

got to kind of do is like find where

they're going to be and just wait cuz

they travel so much. They do so much

moving. You think I'm just going to go,

you know, still hunt and spot and stalk

and I'll I'll find one and I'll You're

almost better off just staying put.

Yeah.

>> Just staying put and wait for them to

cuz they're moving all over the place.

There's so [ __ ] many of them. It's

crazy.

>> Yeah. But it's amazing how unsuccessful

people are bow hunting them.

>> Rifle, it's a done deal. It's if you

want meat and it's the best meat in the

world. It's so it's for the people that

live there. It's incredible. I mean,

they have access to the best meat in the

world. 100% they're going to get a deer.

And so if you have a but if you have a

bow, we went there and then so I went

with Remy, I went with uh John Dudley,

Cam Haynes, and Adam Greenree. Like all

seasoned bow hunters. Everybody

Everybody got a deer. And we made a

podcast about it. We had a good old

time. They had 150 people go over the

next year and one was successful with a

bow.

>> Yeah.

>> Take chances. Yeah. That's how hard it

is

>> because it's like these [ __ ] are

they're dialed in, man. And they move.

>> A lot of people chasing them, too. They

know the game, right?

>> 365 days a year they get hunted. There's

no season. And then they have snipers

that are after them at night because,

you know, they use it for meat for the

restaurants and meat for people and and

they just have to control the

population. There's so many of them and

no predators.

>> Yeah. And still can't thin them out,

right?

>> I know. It's crazy. I think they got a

good head start. They eradicated him

from the big island.

>> Oh, did they? I didn't know.

>> Yeah. Somebody tried to reintroduce them

or introduce, I should say, to the big

island and they're like, "No, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no. We know where this

is going. You're gonna he's going to

destroy people's crops and destroy

people's gardens.

>> Just take over."

>> And they already have plenty of wild

pigs on the Big Island. So, they just

they whacked them all, unfortunately.

>> It's kind of like the pigs here in

Texas, right? And it gone wild. I don't

you know, growing up here when I was

younger, I never remember them being

like how they are now. They don't stop.

They They have three or four litters a

year. And each litter has I think they

can have as many as six piglets.

>> That's crazy.

>> They just And they can get pregnant six

months old. At 6 months old, they can

get pregnant. They're ready to rock and

they're just spitting out pigs

>> and just tearing tearing [ __ ] up.

>> Yeah. I We have a lease out here for a

hunting land, me and uh some of my

friends, and the amount of pigs is

disturbing.

>> It's like you hear them everywhere. You

hear them in the bushes. They're all

over the [ __ ] place. It's like most

of Texas probably that's not like city

has wild pigs in it.

>> Mhm.

>> Like

>> taking over, man.

>> And this all came over on boats. That's

how it all got here. Guys from Europe.

Yeah.

>> Just importing them in.

>> Yeah. Guys from Europe, they brought

boats and and in the boats, some of them

brought pigs and then they let them

loose.

>> It's crazy, man.

tearing stuff up. Yeah. I don't ever

remember them being as bad as they were

like in the last 15 years or so.

>> It's actually bad in California, too.

And California has them from William

Randolph Hurst.

>> Well, didn't they take didn't they like

eradicate them off the Channel Islands

out there?

>> I think so. They I think the islands and

they had mu deer on some of the islands

out there, too, right?

>> Mhm. Yeah. I forget which island had mu

deer,

>> but apparently they had like a like you

could go hunt on one of these islands.

>> Yeah, I think you I think you might

still be able to like on Catalina or a

couple, but maybe

>> do they really cruise? They did because

I know my uh my buddy Matt, he did it

like maybe the last year, the year

before, but I think they're trying to

put a stop to it and and kind of stop

it. That was those Channel Islands are

pretty interesting. I remember first

moving out there, even just going out

there 15 years ago and um seeing the

islands out there, you know, and I'd ask

people all around. I was like, "Man,

what's the deal with these islands out

there?" And half the people that I would

talk to like, "What are you talking

about islands?" And I'm like, "That

island right out there." They're like,

"Oh, I thought that was Long Beach." You

know, I'm like, "Really?" I was like,

"Have you looked at a map?" You know,

I love maps. So, I started, you know,

doing some research and figuring out all

about it. And uh they're really cool and

over the years I've met some really uh

cool guys go out there a lot and

spearfish and just to go out there to

them and besides Catalina like Santa

Cruz and San Miguel and you know they're

all like nature preserves and protected

so it's like going back in time when you

get out there and uh uh I love it out

there. It's such a such a cool spot.

>> Did they try to are they trying to

eradicate deer from Catalina? I think

I've read something about that. See if

that's true.

I think they're trying to remove the

deer because they said the deer were

non-native to the island which

>> Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what they did

with the with the hogs and I don't know

there's like an a specific island fox

out there.

>> Yeah. Here it is. As of early 2026,

California officials have approved a

controversial plan to fully eradicate

the non-native mu deer population on

Santa Catalina Island to restore the

ecosystem. Around 2,000 deer introduced

in the 1930s for hunting will be removed

by groundbased hunters to protect native

biodiversity.

Come on,

that sounds crazy. How about just let

people hunt them? [ __ ] wrong with you?

Um, so the issue is Catalina Island

Conservancy considers the mu deer an

invasive species that disrupts the

ecosystem as they consume native plants

and seedlings while spreading firerprone

invasive grasses.

really

I have I just always worry about

conservies and their their judgments on

things like that because there's a lot

of they want to eradicate all the pigs

from Texas or they uh from California

rather. They think of them as non-native

and they want them out too, but you're

not going to. They want to eradicate de

uh there's like elk in California that

are Yellowstone elk that were brought

there in like the 1950s

>> that they're they want to eradicate that

>> like the two like the tulie elk.

>> No, they're actually they're actually

Rocky Mountain elk.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. But they're they're a larger breed

of Rocky Mountain elk that they call

yellow apparently

>> like in the Sierras or down on along the

coast and stuff.

>> Tachby.

>> Tachby. Yeah.

>> Up in that area in those mountains. Um

big [ __ ] elk like 400 inch elk. Like

a couple of those elk out there that are

in the front. That's what they're from.

>> There's That's those are massive.

>> Yeah. From Tahone Ranch.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. And

>> Oh, yeah. It's like going up over the

grapevine. It's where you got those.

>> Wow. I had no idea that they were that

big out there.

>> Huge. It's all It's the biggest private

ranch in California. It's like 270,000

acres.

>> I've heard of the ranch, but I didn't

know they had elk like that up there.

>> Yeah. Yeah. one of the rare places.

Gorgeous [ __ ] place.

>> But uh they also go up, it's kind of

funny. They go up to um there's a

golfing community higher up in Tachby

>> and um the elk just hang out on the golf

course.

>> Just like giant elk, like 400inch elk

just chilling, hanging out together on

the golf course and dudes are playing

golf.

>> That's why

>> while they're lying down next to them

like 20 yards away. It's crazy. I seen I

I saw some one time I was driving up the

coast. I think I was going up to San

Francisco to play a gig and

>> uh maybe they're the Tulie elk. I'm not

sure what they were, but I was along the

coast there and I looked over in a field

and there was like 30 head of them just

laying down over there. I'm like, "Oh

man, I didn't even know there were elk

down here." It's just I love seeing uh

wildlife that in unexpected places, you

know?

>> Yeah, they recently just found a wolf.

>> They're unexpected for me anyway. Oh,

really?

>> Yeah. See, see if you can find the story

about that wolf that they just

discovered in Los Angeles.

>> There's a mama mama bear, black bear

with three cubs now running around in

Tanga.

>> Oh, yeah. There's a lot of those.

>> A lot of lions running around.

>> Um there's a lot of uh lot of bears. I

I've seen them in Pasadena and people's

pools.

>> Mhm.

>> I knew that there's a bunch out in

Pasadena in like Glendale.

>> Wolf detected in Los Angeles County for

the first time in more than a century.

>> Crazy.

Ain't that nuts? Those guys can [ __ ]

travel. I had a lady on who was a wolf

biologist

>> and she was talking about like the you

know they would call her some of these

wolves and they would track them. They

would go 500 miles.

>> Yeah.

>> Like it's kind of insane. Like

>> I didn't know that. That's that's

incredible.

>> Well, that's how they learned about

them. It's really the only way to tell

is to like put a collar on them and

track them by GPS.

>> Mhm. And you know, they mean they're

extraordinary animals. Like

>> where were where were they originating

from in in Montana, Wyoming, and how

where were they going? The ones that

they were tracking,

>> I think the ones that they were tracking

were the part of the group that was

brought in, you know, in the 1990s, you

know. So there was that pack and the

subsequent packs that came after that,

there were all the reintroduced wolves.

>> And so they would, you know, dart and

collar some of them. And when they would

do that, they would just track their

motion. And they're like, Jesus, these

[ __ ] are

>> They're covering some ground.

>> They're covering some ground. They're

covering some ground. And it's

interesting, too, that they actually

make mountain lions kill more deer.

>> They're competing with them.

>> Yeah. Because uh the mountain lions kill

a deer and then the wolves will steal

it.

>> Oh,

>> so they'll come up on the mountain line

and they'll surround them and the

mountain line will go, "Fuck this. I'm

out of here." And he'll just go kill

another deer. So he doesn't even get a

chance to eat his deer cuz the wolves

keep stealing his deer.

>> They keep tracking the lions. It's

probably just following them around,

huh?

>> They're smart.

>> Let them do the dirty work. Yeah,

>> they do. They let him do the dirty work

and then they steal their

>> work smarter, not harder, huh?

>> So, it's What does it say? The wolf that

they found.

>> Yeah. This is from when uh February when

they first spotted it.

>> So, the wolf was born in 2023. Plumis

County's Where's Plumis County? It's

traveled more than 370 miles. Wow.

Including crossing State Route 59 near

Tachipe. There you go. I they had one up

in Tachipy too that uh a buddy of mine

it was actually closer to um uh the city

that's down there. What is that [ __ ]

city?

>> Bakersfield.

>> Bakersfield. Exactly. Wildlife officials

now estimate at least 60 wolves live in

the state. Wow.

>> One crossed over in 2011.

>> Wow. From California. From Oregon. So uh

so they find them in the Tach Mountains.

Interesting. Biologist told newspapers

told newspapers that she could encounter

a mate in the nearby regions such as

Tachby Mountains, potentially forming a

new pack or continue to roam. What was

that picture you just had of the elk?

Yeah, that's that golf course. Look at

that

>> giant [ __ ] elk chilling on the golf

course, clashing flag.

>> Yeah, look how beautiful that is. God,

so pretty out there. Massive elk. Oak

tree country club.

>> Perfect sanctuary for him, right?

>> Oh yeah, man. And it's just it adds to

the coolness of playing golf. I mean,

you're playing golf around giant

beautiful animals.

>> I bet those greens keepers love them,

though.

>> They probably [ __ ] up all kinds of

things up there.

>> Yeah, it's uh the wolf thing is

interesting because they they just

brought him back to Aspen and they did a

really stupid thing. They they brought

them into an area where it has a lot of

livestock and they brought them in from

a place in Oregon where these wolves had

all been captured because they were

killing agriculture.

>> So what did they do? They captured them

and they dropped them off in Colorado

where they started killing the park.

>> They just do Well, it's on people's my

friend's ranch. One of them uh they

dropped three wolves off on my friend's

ranch.

>> That's tough, man.

that even with the bears and stuff, you

know, you get some problem bears or

whatever and then they go drop them out

where farmers and ranches are living,

you know, it's like, man, how's how's

that going to work, you know?

>> Well, it's the people in charge of these

things and making these decisions, they

don't understand what they're doing.

They're monkeying around with wildlife,

nature, biology, and you you don't know

what you're doing.

>> Yeah.

>> You don't you have no idea. Also, like

how how the [ __ ] you in good conscience

take a wolf that's used to killing cows

and put them around other people's cows?

>> Yeah, it's it's already programmed, man.

The dinner bells.

>> It knows exactly how to do it. It knows

it's easy. They're all fenced in. They

they taste delicious. Why would it stop?

>> Or why would it Yeah. Why would it chase

chase tougher prey? Right.

>> So now these poor ranchers have to have

people monitoring their cows 247. They

have to have cowboys up all night that

are wandering around and on horseback

and just looking for wolves.

>> I mean, it's a disaster. They've killed

dozens of cows.

>> And these are folks that, you know, have

been, like we said, surviving on this

land for generations and and dealing

with that and,

>> you know, have have a history with

managing that stuff. You know, it

probably be the folks I'd want to ask.

>> Yeah.

>> How to handle it, you know.

>> Well, they would certainly tell you,

don't let the wolves in. if you do kill

them,

>> you know. But now it's gotten to the

point where I think they're going to

have to do something about them.

>> Will they will they put a hunting limit

on them? You think?

>> Honestly, that would probably do

something, but really what you should do

is hire someone to recapture them. And

don't drop them off there. Don't drop

them off in [ __ ] Aspen, you idiot.

>> Cuz they're going to eat people's

poodles, too. Okay? They don't give a

[ __ ] If they run out of cows, if

somehow or another the ranchers scare

them away from the cows and they make it

into the town of Aspen, you don't think

they're going to eat your golden

retriever. They're going to eat all

kinds of dogs. They eat dogs in Alaska

all the time.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I hear a lot like the lions and

stuff, man. Coming after your kids.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, there's been a Malibu Creek

Park, you know, I've heard a couple of

incidents there, you know, hit. It's

like, man, they're

>> they're going to go eat something.

>> Especially when they're old.

>> Yeah.

>> When they get old. Mhm.

>> You know, they can't catch a deer

anymore and they're hungry and they

haven't eaten in a few days and then

they see a kid

>> hanging around a little too close to the

outside of the woods.

>> I got a big one that comes right by my

house. I got a little game trail camera

set up and I got a little fountain right

in the front. It doesn't come around

when I'm there cuz we got the dogs, you

know, a lot. But, uh, whenever I'm out

of town for weeks at a time, I'll come

back and that sucker is just laying on

my front porch.

>> Wow.

>> Just massive. And then the other day, a

friend of mine was taking the trash out

and this line, it was like around

lunchtime and it jumped over the fence

into the driveway and had a dead rabbits

in it. Dead rabbit in its mouth just

looking at her, you know, and she's

like,

>> "Holy [ __ ]

>> they're there." You know, so every time

I'm even walking around by myself or

with the dogs, you're just like, "Man,

this sucker just be in a tree looking at

me right now."

>> Yeah. You're just living with monsters.

>> Yeah.

>> They're there. California spent more

than hund00 million dollars trying to

make a bridge over I forget which

freeway it is. I think

>> it's the 101.

>> Is it the 101? I think you're right. So

they spent over a hundred million and

it's still not done.

>> Oh my god.

>> For a bridge. A bridge for the mountain

lions. Like you [ __ ] dorks.

H it's like this idea of like it's going

to be a bridge but it's going to have

dirt and grass on it so it'll encourage

them to walk across so they don't have

to go over the highway and die

nicer than the roads we're driving on.

>> Yeah. Well $110 million is crazy and

it's still not even done like this

[ __ ] it's so crazy.

>> So that's what it

>> early 2026 they

>> going up to Ventura right?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, they want to have this this

big dirt mound and this bridge so the

animals can get across the highway, but

it's just like it's so goofy.

And they never want people to do

anything about the population of

mountain lines. Regardless of how out of

control they are, they don't do anything

about it. They have to hire people. The

state has to hire people to go and get

the bad mountain lines, the ones that

are problems. And when they capture

them, one of the things they find out is

they're they actually kill them, right?

So, one of the things they find out when

they examine their diet, it's like 50%

pets.

>> Yeah.

>> 50% dogs and cats. That's what your

mountain lions are eating.

>> That's crazy. Yeah.

>> And they spend money, like a lot of

money going after these mountain lions.

And instead, they could make money by

letting people hunt these mountain lions

and giving them tags and control the

numbers. in uh that place, Tahone Ranch.

One of my buddies works there and they

have a a trail camera set up on a pond

and they found 16 different cats that

were drinking out of that pond.

>> Oh my gosh, that's insane.

I was like when I first started going

out there too the coyotes, you know, and

even around like in Hollywood and stuff,

you know, I was like, man, I swear I

just saw a coyote running down the

street with a pair of sunglasses on, a

gold chain,

>> eating better than any of us.

>> When I went there in '94, that was the

first time I ever saw a coyote. I

couldn't believe it. I was staying at

uh, you know, they have those furnished

apartments, the Oakwood furnished

apartments.

>> Oh, no. temporary like for people that

are like

>> don't have a house yet and you got to

move to California quick. They have this

place called Oakwoods and you go in

there, it's already got a couch, it's

already got a TV, it's already got a

bed. You're like, "Okay." Like Airbnb

almost like you just move in.

>> And uh I was driving up to the entrance

to the place and I see these little dogs

on the street. I was like, "What the

[ __ ] is going on? These dog

>> that ain't no dog. What the I was like,

"Oh my god, they're coyotes.

like this is weird. And so this is like

94. I had never seen a [ __ ] coyote. I

never even heard of a coyote being out

just wandering in the street. I just

couldn't believe it that they just

wander around on the concrete.

>> Man, it's they're they're everywhere. I

feel like I've seen more there than

anywhere. You see them more in town than

you do anywhere else. Yeah.

>> Yeah. They Well, they have large

populations of them in downtown where

they know where they den up. They den up

in certain warehouse buildings.

>> Okay. like abandoned buildings and under

bridges and freeways and stuff.

>> Yeah, they like they live there.

>> They probably keep the

>> nature will take back over one day,

won't it?

>> Exactly. Yeah. I think they probably

keep the rat population in check,

though.

>> Yeah.

>> If you think about it.

>> Yeah. I keep a lot of other things in

check, too.

>> Right. Cats.

Well, there's a terrible video from

Woodland Hills a few years back where a

guy uh was unloading his car and his

toddler was out there in in the grass

like right next to and the coyote

grabbed his toddler and tried to run

away with his kid.

>> Yeah, I saw that. Man, I you know, I'm

always watching around for stuff and

with my our kiddos or just people around

the neighborhood and stuff, you got to

remind you remind yourself, you know,

they're they're there and they're not

scared of you, you know. They're they're

not afraid. I remember the one of the

first times u I went up to Ohhigh just

north of uh LA there, you know, and I

just wanted to go up there and go hike

around and check out the area and uh

there was uh an archery shop up there

and I had this old guy kind of looked

like Charlie Daniels, just big overalls,

big old beard, you know, and I walked in

there and just to check out the shop and

also just ask him about, you know, some

areas to go stomp around and and I had a

a Australian shepherd dog at the time

and uh just ask him where, you know,

good places to go stomp around. He said,

"Yeah, you know, you go up there." He

goes, "But I wouldn't take your dog with

you." I was like, "Really? Why?" He's

like, "Man, those lions are real deal up

here, you know." He's like, "You" He

goes, "You won't see them, you know,

until they're on you, you know." And I

just, you know, I knew they're lions and

stuff like that, but hearing it from

from that guy, you know, maybe he's

tried to scare me a little bit, but, you

know, there's I It's uh it's the real

deal.

>> It's real. It's real. And they try to

downplay it and because the all the

wildlife lovers, all the greenies, they

don't want you like sounding the alarm

and killing them.

>> What their goal is to have zero hunting.

Their goal is to have all the animals

just balance each other out.

>> It ain't going to happen.

>> You can't. It's

>> not with humans in the mix.

>> No. The humans have interrupted that

whole idea, right? So, if you've got a

city and then you've got wild giant

predators like 70 lb cats that are

killing dogs and they're like, "You got

to control them.

>> Can't manage one without managing the

other, right?"

>> And so the first way the first thing

they did to stop people from doing it is

they banned hunting with dogs. So if you

ban hunting with dogs, guess what? You

basically you're killing most of the

hunting because the reality of mountain

lions is you can't find them. They're

really hard to find, really hard to

catch, really hard to find. And the best

way to control their population is to

tree them. and you get dogs to treat

because that way you know if it's a tom

or if it's a female. You know if it's

mature, you know what size it is. You

have a really accurate estimation. You

can look up at, oh, that's a mature tom.

That's what we're looking to kill.

>> And then you can control their

population. That's the only Same with

bears. It's a great

>> see what it is and decide if it needs to

go or if it or if it needs to stay.

Right.

>> Yeah.

>> But they do little things to stop the

effective hunting first. So California,

you could still hunt for black bears,

but you can't use dogs anymore.

>> And so as soon as they stopped the use

of dogs, the amount of black bears they

harvested went way down. So the amount

of bears in the population went way up.

>> Yeah. I don't think they've I mean, I

know they've been around in Pasadena a

lot, but I don't think there's been one

in Tanga for a while. I mean, I've been

up there,

>> shoot, almost 15 years and hadn't heard

of one. This is the first time that like

one's kind of made it over into that

that area that I know of anyway. maybe

up, you know, around the, uh, Malibu

Creek and those state parks. But, uh,

>> in dep.

>> Oh, 100%.

>> I've got berries for you, my friend.

>> Giving them weed.

>> Some berries.

>> The pang is great, but it's always

sketches me out of a fire catches.

>> Oh, man. We we we got hit hard last year

as you know the Palisades stuff and man

I didn't that was kind of it for me too.

I was like I'm out. You know

>> it's terrifying.

>> Yeah. I've evacuated out of there

several times over the years. But um

I've got horses up there now and stuff

like that. And luckily I had like a I

always keep a big truck and a trailer

just in case. And I've got some friends

down in Burbank that have some stables,

you know, that I have like as a backup

plan. And uh but this was just a

different deal. I as the crow flies I

could see the smoke from the palisades

you know like a mile away you know and

we were actually working in in our arena

there and smoke came up and I was like

shoot let's just go every time I see the

smoke like I don't wait I'm just like

we'll be the first ones out and beat the

beat the mad rush of everybody that's

going to decide to try to stay and

>> loaded up the the trailer and the truck

and the camper and the dogs and all that

stuff and I was like let's go and uh my

wife and I went down to Burbank And I

remember we were driving through the

night and the wind was just howling like

I've never seen before and power lines

are snapping and it's just like trees

are coming down and it just felt like

the end of the world, you know. And uh

we get to Burbank and we pull back in

these stables and there's a kind of a

big cinder block wall and I just got as

close to that as I could because it was

blocking the wind, you know, from

hitting us. And the next morning I woke

up and I just my throat was sore and

hurting. I could hardly breathe and I

opened the camper door and the Altadena

fire had started and it was right there

and so it was just a mountain of black

smoke coming over the top of us there

and uh

>> so like let's go. Let's get out here.

Let's like head north. And I had some

friends in Moore Park, you know, up in

that area going towards Ventura that had

horses trying to find some places to go

with some horses and uh they're like,

"Yeah, come on up here." So we went up

there, stayed there a night, and then

they cut all the power off up up in that

area cuz the winds were snapping power

lines and they were worried about fires

and and you know after doing that a few

nights in was like let's just head east

and go to Texas, you know. So we just

there's always so so many friends you

could like show up with five horses and

a bunch of dogs, you know, like, hey,

we're going to stay for a while, you

know,

>> especially in California.

>> Yeah. We're like, let's just get out of

here uh and headed back. and you didn't

know when we were going to make it back

and they, you know, closed indefinitely

or whatever. It's just like, man, I'm

I'm over it.

>> I got evacuated a bunch of times when I

lived there, but the last one was uh

2018 and uh when the last one we got out

early. I came home from the comedy store

and we saw a fire coming over the top of

this hill and it was probably like 1:00

in the morning. Me and my wife were

sitting there. I go, "What do you

think?" And she's like, "Let's get the

[ __ ] out of here."

>> Like, "Let's get the [ __ ] out of here.

Let's just grab some shit." and maybe

it'll come this way, maybe it won't. So,

it didn't burn the house down, but my

neighbors, the front front three

neighbors all lost their house. And my

next door neighbor, his his roof caught

on fire, but my friend who refused to to

leave, he stayed in the neighborhood and

protected his house and guided

firefighters. He brought the

firefighters to that house and showed

him that it just started on this guy's

roof and they hosed it down. They

stopped it in his tracks. But,

>> it was pretty [ __ ] bad. But

>> it's wild because you know it's going to

burn. I It's not a matter of

>> you know if it's just when and I mean

that's that's canyons have been burning

like that for thousands of years and

>> and even the Chumash were setting them

on fire on purpose to get ahead of it

right and control and all of that stuff

and

>> now there's just so many houses and

>> communities back up in there. It's just

a it's a tough thing. But when they when

they hit, man, they're it's they just

they're rolling through how fast they

come through. those Santa Ana winds are

blowing like that and

>> it's just very surreal in person. You

could watch it on the news and you kind

of get a feeling of it. But when you're

there and you're driving down the 101

and you look at the side of the highway

and you see like these hills in the

distance are just covered in fire,

>> hundreds of yards of fields of fire just

making their way over the top of this

hill and burning houses. And we saw it

when the the palis, you know, the

palisades thing was start, you know,

from our house. There's kind of a little

mountain that comes up on the back and I

hiked up there and was watching it and

you could see the smoke and then you

could like start seeing little flickers

of the flames and then it was just like

somebody dumped gasoline on this thing

and I mean the flames shot up hundreds

of feet into the air and uh my wife was

on the balcony, you know, the house and

I'm kind of up on this little mountain.

I'm looking over, looking in her eyes.

I'm like, start packing up.

I'll I'll go hook up the horse trailer.

I'll be upset. just load up and just

and you know the wind was blowing uh

like offshore then you know so the fire

is like on on the coast you know and

just depending on where that how that

wind is blowing you know at the

beginning it was blowing offshore and

then within a half an hour it just shot

up the coastline and just ripped up

through Malibu and burned all that coast

like that's the stuff that you always

thought was the safest

>> right

>> you know

>> and then the next day the wind shifts

just coming back on shore and it blows

it back towards Burbank, you know, going

back up like the fourth up that way and

then the winds are shifting again and

then coming back across, you know. So, I

I was amazed at the through some of the

fires that I've been through, seeing the

firefighters up there, those guys are

incredible, man. Those helicopter

pilots, uh the airplane pilots, seeing

those tankers fly through there. I mean,

it's just incredible what those guys can

do. I mean, if it hadn't I mean, they

they saved that whole canyon,

>> you know, of Tanga at least, you know,

it's like, man, there's so much brush in

there that probably needs to burn that's

been accumulating over years, you know,

and um cutting those fire breaks and

seeing them drop the retardant on the

ridge lines and stuff and watching the

wind. It's just like, man, I hats off to

those guys, you know.

>> Absolutely.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, think about the amount of damage

that was done in that fire and how much

more would have been done if it wasn't

for the firefighters. That's how crazy

it is.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it is, man. I I met one of

the uh helicopter pilots. I was on a

flight somewhere

and uh we just happened to be sitting

next to each other and we were talking

about it and just, you know, learning

from him, you know, about, you know, the

thermals that come up from underneath

and trying to hold those helicopters in,

you know, in formation and all that

stuff and how heavy they are when

they're full, right? And then as soon as

you release all that water, whatever is

in them that, you know, all of a sudden

that the power that they got, you know,

throttle's full throttle, you know, when

they're loaded down and then they drop

all that water and then, you know,

trying to get back a hold of it and

>> I never even thought of that. You know,

you got then you got be an enormous

difference.

>> 90 mph winds blowing and you know,

>> and you you I could see them from the

house. You know, there'd be like two or

three helicopters that would come in,

start dropping water, and then they

would move out and then the tank the

planes would come in and then

helicopters back in. Then you had the

guys on the ground, you know, trying to

contain it as well. Just the the

coordinated effort between them, you

know, I can imagine the conversations

there. Yeah.

>> Hey, man.