There has been an 80-year cover up of

the existence of non-human intelligent

life covered up by elements of the US

government. But this past Friday, the

first trunch of evidence was released to

the public.

>> And the evidence is absolutely clear

that there is some form of life with

advanced technology. They're all over

the place.

>> But the people involved in gatekeeping

this information don't think the public

can handle the truth. People have had

their lives threatened. A lot of them

are afraid to come forward and tell the

White House what they know. And this has

been kept from even sitting presidents

and I've interviewed highle intelligence

officials and government officials and

there have been UAP crashes over the

years and in some cases the crashed

crafts had the bodies of nonhumans in

>> and now we have people on ships seeing

these things enter the water it's seen

enough times under enough different

conditions that we just have to accept

that it's real.

>> So what exactly is inside this report?

We have so many sightings, even access

to materials.

>> And there's a number of files, reports,

video, and still images that were

declassified. And the most notable piece

of evidence in there is this. So, I have

so many questions. You're probably

familiar with this NASA report. They

essentially say that they didn't believe

that these UAPs are aliens. Why would

NASA be lying? Is there a reason why

this stuff hasn't been captured on like

an iPhone? Are they currently living

amongst us? And then do you trust the

Trump administration to release all of

the available information?

>> I think eventually we'll get to that

moment that we've all only seen in

movies where sitting president steps to

a microphone and tells the world we're

not alone in the universe.

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Dr. Harold Dan, I wanted to have a

conversation with both of you today

because you are two of the most popular

voices online on this subject of UAPs,

which is unidentified anomalous

phenomena.

>> Right. Exactly.

>> It has been in all the news recently

because Trump a couple of days ago

released 400 classified files containing

videos and photos and different reports

on this subject of UAPs. Now, I

don't have an opinion. I I honestly

haven't gone that far down the rabbit

hole on this subject, but I wanted to

have the conversation with both of you

because you do have opinions. So,

starting with you, Dan, what is your

background and as it relates to this

subject of UAPs, what is it that you

believe that most people don't know or

understand?

>> My interest in this topic comes from my

childhood. And so, over the years, I

just I read every book on the topic,

watched every doc. I always wish someone

had made a super serious, credible,

sober documentary that only interviews

people who have direct knowledge of this

topic as a result of working for the US

government. And so got into producing.

As I was getting access to high level

intelligence officials and government

officials before I even filmed, I really

quickly learned how serious and real the

situation is and how uh serious it's

treated behind the scenes. And you know,

I made this movie, The Age of

Disclosure, in secrecy over three and a

half years. And I would say the

headlines that I learned that the

average person doesn't know is that

there has in fact been an 80-year cover

up of the existence of non-human

intelligent life. It has been covered up

by elements of the US government since

at least the late 40s. Other nations

have also covered this up. And the other

major headline is that the people who

within the US government that have been

gatekeeping this, they've also been

involved in a highstakes secret cold war

race with adversarial nations like China

and Russia to reverse engineer this

technology of non-human origin. And and

the stakes couldn't be higher. Those are

the two massive headlines. And and I'm

proud to say when the film came out, it

created a national conversation uh at at

an unprecedented level and it led to

President Trump issuing this directive

in the middle of February. Super

unprecedented historic directive

instructing federal agencies to start

declassifying evidence it has they have

of non-human intelligent life and UAP.

And then that process began this past

Friday. the first trunch of evidence was

released to the public.

>> And during the process of producing this

documentary,

who did you speak to?

>> I got access to the highest levels of

the government, military, and

intelligence community. My interview

subjects range from Secretary Rubio,

who's also our National Security Adviser

now, White House National Security

Council members, Navy Fighter pilots,

admirals, generals, former secretary of

defense, uh the leadership of all the

recent classified US government UAP

investigations. Every single person is

extremely credible. Howal how is one of

my interview subjects. 's uh one of the

most senior scientists uh to work on

this topic for the US government in

classified projects and him and all

these other people interviewed. They had

a lot of information they could legally

share over the years, but they were

always discouraged from doing so and

they never really had the opportunity to

comfortably do it. No one wanted to be

the one guy out on a limb saying

something extraordinary on CNN or Fox or

60 Minutes and then being subject to the

the push back and the ridicule. And so

when I realized that I I started

socializing a plan for how to step out

of the shadows arm and arm with safety

and numbers.

>> I'll pick up on that point there where

you talked about safety and numbers. How

he he mentioned you there. You're part

of the documentary. I saw you as well in

the trailer of the documentary. What is

your background and why what reference

points are you drawing on to speak on

the subject of UAPs and UFOs etc? I'm a

quantum physicist worked for the

National Security Agency for various uh

organizations in the intelligence

community like CIA and so on. And so as

part of my technical work uh I was also

a consultant uh chief science adviser to

Robert Bigalow of Bigalow Aerospace.

He's really quite quite a titan. I mean

he has two space stations orbiting the

Earth. So anyway, th those people who

are in in the space business and they're

moving out into space, they just can't

help but wondering, you know, what are

we going to run into when when we get

out there? As a science adviser to him,

uh it turned out that the Defense

Intelligence Agency came forward and

said, uh, you know, we need to find out

uh really what's going on in the

so-called UAP area.

>> So then they determined they were just

going to start a UAP program. That

program they started was called OAP.

They hired all the team for example HAL

and that program started in 2008 um and

got a lot of push back behind the scenes

because it turned out when they looked

all over the intelligence community to

see if there was another UFO program and

didn't think there was. Turns out there

was one and there was a deeply hidden

program referred to as the legacy

program and it had been operating in the

shadows since the ' 40s. Uh outside of

congressional oversight, outside of the

oversight of the White House um

completely, you know, off off

>> completely hidden away. Yeah.

>> As hidden as a program can be. And so

they started pushing back behind the

scenes against everyone involved in OSAP

because they didn't want anyone else

looking into this, right? started to

cause a lot of bureaucratic issues for

them, red tape issues and ultimately OAP

lost its funding in 2010 despite the

fact that it was looking into very real

issues like UAP over our nuclear weapon

sites. It shut down in 2010.

>> Why do you think it shut down?

>> They were dealt uh these bureaucratic

hurdles behind the scenes by people

involved in the legacy program. People

who just caused problems and prevented

funding and it's a lot of you know it's

a big bureaucracy. people can people can

do things behind the scenes to prevent

funding from coming through uh for

programs. And so ultimately they lost

their their funding in 2010. And then

Jay Stratton and other people involved,

they were continuing to look into this

because they they didn't want this

serious national security concern to go,

you know, on uninvestigated, right?

>> So that's how somebody like me gets

pulled in. and they say, "Okay, these

pilots are out there and they suddenly

see craft coming out of the ocean and

making right angle turns at 6G or

whatever and they say, "Oh my god, this

is way beyond our physics." So I and

other physicists sort of dug into, you

know, what could be responsible for

this. And we actually found that just

like we use so-called Maxwell's

equations and electromagnetic stuff for

everything we do in electromagnetics, we

have Einstein's equations in general

relativity for, you know, black holes

and all that kind of stuff. But it turns

out if you could engineer those, you

would actually get the same effects that

people were observing with these UAP

crafts. So, we think we've come up with,

you know, what it is about uh the

science of it. It's just that we don't

have the engineering to do it.

>> Do you believe in UAPs?

>> Absolutely believe in UAPs because I've

been exposed to data about them.

>> A more specific question would be, do

you believe in aliens?

>> Yeah. So, a number of the people I

interviewed went on the record stating

that they know from their own personal

experiences that there have been UAP

crashes over the years that have been

recovered by elements of the US

government and in some cases the the

crashed crafts had the bodies of

nonhumans in them. And numerous people I

interviewed went on the record saying

that. And keep in mind, everyone I

interviewed only shared what they

lawfully could. There was a line they

couldn't cross. Everyone I interviewed

is aware of classified information they

they they can't talk about, but they

went right up to the line and uh made it

clear that there had been recoveries of

non-human bodies. A couple people

actually testified under oath to

Congress saying the same thing.

>> Why wouldn't they be able to talk about

it publicly?

>> Well, when you're involved in certain

programs, uh you sign certain agreements

that prevent you from sharing,

>> right,

>> specific information,

>> highly classified programs. And of

course the big concern is okay whatever

we might learn about these kind of craft

and and so on. Our adversaries are out

there and probably been there have been

crashes in Russia, crashes in China and

so if we reveal what we're learning

about the subject area and you know said

it publicly then it might help some

potential adversary

step get a step ahead. So

>> that's why it's all just kept really

close in.

>> So a saying that I heard often from my

interview subjects, you can't tell your

friends without telling your enemies.

Meaning you can't tell the public what

we know and don't know without also

telling China and Russia what we know

and don't know. And giving them that

information might give them a

competitive advantage. And the the

obvious question anyone would ask when

hearing that is then okay so what

shifted? Why is why is that no longer

the leading thought? Secrecy is best.

And the answer is because the US is in a

really high stakes race, a technology

race against these adversaries to

reverse engineer technology of non-human

origin. And the secrecy around it in the

US since the ' 40s has created a

scenario where the scientific community

and academia don't even know it's real.

They don't even know it's a valid area

of inquiry.

>> Don't even believe it's real.

>> Yeah.

The smartest kids graduating at MIT this

year, they are not thinking that this is

something they can put their brain power

towards.

>> So, coming back to the question, do you

believe in aliens?

>> I 100% believe that non-human

intelligent life is here and has been

here for a long time.

>> When you say here, do you mean currently

living amongst us?

>> I don't know about the living amongst us

part about that.

>> I don't know about that, but

>> rule it out. There is there is UAP

activity being reported on a daily basis

by commercial airlines pilot commercial

airline pilots the FAA by Navy fighter

pilots off the east coast being reported

you know up the military chain of

command and on top of that uh regular

activity over nuclear weapons sites

inside the United States. It's happening

on a regular basis uh on the on the

nuclear sites and on a daily basis in

commercial air travel space.

>> UAP have come over nuclear uh missile

sites and actually turned off the

missiles and so you know once something

like that happens you just got to take

it seriously.

>> And there the technology that they're

displaying is technology that no humans

have.

And again there has been some crashes

and in those crashes there have been the

bodies of nonhumans.

>> How do we know that? How do we know that

in those crashes they've recovered

bodies of nonhumans?

>> They're whistleblowers basically coming

forward from

>> So the basis of the that evidence is

that some people have said it

>> at this point until until

previously classified information

regarding crashes is and recoveries is

declassified.

>> Mhm. Until that happens, the best we

could hope for is credible people

putting their reputation on the line to

tell you this is what's been happening.

>> Did someone during your process of

making the documentary who had seen

non-alien non-human life, non-human

intelligence tell you that?

>> Yeah.

>> Who was that?

>> A number of people, but notably, you

know, uh Jay Stratton, who we just

talked about.

>> Yes. Right. who co-created, co-ounded

OAP and then became the director of the

UAP task force, the largest whole of

government investigation of UAP ever.

>> What did he say?

>> He went on the record in the film saying

that he's seen non-human beings and

non-human craft with his own eyes. That

was the farthest he could go at that

point.

>> Why did he say he couldn't go further?

>> Uh he he he he had a situation that he

was involved in that um for a few

reasons. He wasn't he just wasn't

comfortable talking about it yet. And

some of it I think he just wanted to

make sure he legally could. Now going

back to credibility, like take a guy

like Jay saying that when Jay retired a

few years back, he was part of the

senior executive services of the federal

government. That's a level less than 1%

of all federal employees ever reach. You

know, it's the equivalent of a twostar

admiral or general. Um very very senior,

very trusted, you know, cleared at a

very high level. Um he had worked with

naval intelligence in a senior capacity.

Uh he had worked with the CIA, he had

worked with the Defense Intelligence

Agency as the head of air and space

warfare. He's a super serious, credible

guy.

>> Yeah.

>> And he's he's he's putting his

reputation on the line to share this

information

um to the extent that he legally could

and comfortably could.

>> And when you asked him why

the world doesn't know this stuff in his

view, what did he what would he say?

>> There's a lot of reasons. I mean

certainly the you know the idea that we

can't tell our friends without telling

our enemies has been a driver to just to

recap the reasons for secrecy I I I

actually believe it it's better kind of

start from the beginning when this f

when when in 1947 there was a crash at

Roswell of non-human origin and uh yeah

RA RAF captures flying saucer on ranch

in Roswell region. Yeah that's right

>> and then this is the image of their

coverup story trying to show a weather

ballooner. Yeah. So, multiple people in

my film go on the record saying the

Roswell crash really happened. Uh,

technology of non-human origin and

non-human bodies were recovered. Um, if

you put yourself in the shoes of the

military and government at that point,

like put yourself in Truman and, you

know, Eisenhower shoes. You're just

coming out of World War II. The world

was just chaos for a very long time.

It's finally starting to settle down.

You can't exactly step to the microphone

and tell America that there's a new

threat that we know nothing about and we

can't protect you from. They're far

advanced. You know what? what what's the

advantage of that? So secrecy became the

plan at that point and they had more

questions than answers. So everyone I've

talked to who gave me context uh

explained that the the the the plan for

secrecy went in motion there. Uh let's

investigate. Let's find out more about

what we don't know before we tell the

American people. That was quickly

followed by the Cold War era and we

learned that Russia also had retrieved

technology of non-human origin. And so

we knew we were in a technology race. So

then the idea of can't tell your friend

without telling your enemy ruled the

day. So now the cold war mentality, you

know, led to more secrecy and as a

security rapper for this this program

that it that it started. Uh they created

the stigma in the late 40s early 50s.

This cultural stigma, this idea that

you're crazy if you look into this

topic, you're wacky. You'll have your

reputation ruined. You'll have your

career ruined. Yeah, there's actually a

CIA meeting where people got together

and said, "Okay, in order to not have

people be pursuing this area, let's go

out of our way to spread what we would

call now disinformation about

>> basically the most effective

disinformation campaign in the history

of the US government because it got into

our culture. some movies were funded

that made aliens seem silly and the idea

of life from elsewhere seem ridiculous

and that got compounded over the years

and then we got to the point where where

we were like you know just just like few

years ago where the average person just

thinks it's not real you know the

average scientists academia

>> you know they think it's conspiracy

stuff it's nonsense it's silly um there

was no advantage for elected leaders to

get in front of this or for military

members to you know speak up about what

they learned or saw it would a career

ruiner. Um, and uh, that started to

shift uh, several years back when Jay

Stratton and Jim Lowkey when they put

together OAP in 2010 and they started to

go out there and collect data um, and

get evidence and they started to

actually share it with the Senate

Intelligence Committee and the Senate

Armed Service Committee and looking at

classified data in a classified setting.

People like Marco Rubio, who was the

vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence

Committee at the time, started to

realize, you know,

>> there's something here.

>> Not only is there something here, but

we've got a problem, right? There's a

lot of lot of UAP activity over these

highly classified sites like our nuclear

weapons sites. There's a lot at stake.

We are in this, you know, race with

other nations and the stigma has created

a disadvantage for us. It's very hard to

win a technology race when the majority

of scientists don't know it's a valid

area of inquiry. Right. And do people

think that there's one type of non-human

intelligence that's visiting the earth

or is there many many types?

>> People who have been involved in

recoveries have said

>> there are at least four types. Four

separate types. Now I have not had

direct access to that but I I I believe

the people who I talked to

>> all different types of life.

>> Four different types of life at least.

Yeah. And the people I've talked through

to, you know, through the process of

making the documentary, both on camera

and off thereord sources and the people

house talked to over the decades have

said that there are there have been

dozens of recoveries of crashed craft in

the US alone. Dozens of craft of

non-human origin that either crashed

organically or caused a crash and then

recovered. And have you spoken to people

who you talked about Jay. Have you

spoken to other people that have worked

on these crashed crafts?

>> I've tal I've talked off the record with

some people who are involved in

recoveries.

>> They would not go on camera to do

interviews. Special forces people that

would not go on camera to do interviews.

One I actually thought I've I've

mentioned this in another interview, but

um one I thought was going to do an

interview and then a couple days before

sent me a message saying after further

consideration and long talks with my

wife, I decided I'd be forfeiting my

life if I participated in your

interview.

>> And I thought that was like very very

unsettling message to get obviously but

also very specific word choice. You

know, forfeiting my life.

>> What did he know? He was a special very

senior special forces guy who had told

me he had been involved in multiple

recoveries. That's what he told me.

>> Okay.

>> And I met him through uh some high level

intelligence people. Early on my

process, I got connected with the Senate

Intelligence Committee and the Senate

Armed Services Committee and they had on

their own learned the reality of the

situation through the work of OAP and

then ATIP and then the UAP task force

and through their own their own

intelligence channels. Leaders on those

committees wanted to educate the public

about what they could lawfully about

this, but they didn't really have a way

to do it. It's such a complicated

situation. It takes a while to explain

it. You can't do it in like a six-inute

news head on Fox or CNN or even like a

15 minute 60-minute segment. You just

can't do it. And no one wanted to be the

one guy trying to do it. So, when I

started putting together the film and

socializing this safe way for people to

step forward, uh it also quickly became

those people's plan for disclosure.

That's why Secretary Rubio participated.

That's why White House National Security

Council members participated. It became

amongst the group of people who had

learned the truth. It became the plan

for disclosure, the way to bring this

information out in a thoughtful way.

>> Do the presidents of the United States

know about this stuff? Are they aware?

>> Historically, no.

>> Historically,

>> yeah. And even Rubio says on camera

that, you know, historically this has

been kept from even sitting presidents.

>> Who would know then? So, a number of the

people in my film break down um who's

involved in the legacy program. Now,

simp to put it simply, it's elements of

the CIA, elements of the Air Force,

elements of the Department of Energy,

and a few major defense contractors. And

they have the ability to access

information from a number of federal

agencies and branches of the military,

but the the primary leaders of this

program are the CIA, the Air Force, the

Department of Energy, and major defense

contractors. and Rubio breaks down in

the film the way our bureaucracy works.

Um, you could have career bureaucrats in

positions of power at those

organizations for decades and they can

just wait out sitting presidents. They

can wait out

>> senators sitting presidents as just

temporary help that are going to come

and go.

>> And that's what's been happening up

until this point now. So the fact that

Rubio had learned so much about the

reality of this situation and the extent

of the cover up and then ended up

arguably the second most powerful guy in

the world as our Secretary of State and

our national security adviser at the

same time, which has only happened once

in US history, Henry Kissinger for two

years.

>> No one else has ever had both those jobs

at the same time. the fact that he ended

up in that position of power and

influence after learning the reality of

the situation and right as the age of

disclosure is coming out and driving

this national conversation it really led

to the current President Trump being

informed about this in a way that no

president has in a very long time.

>> So are you saying that the United States

don't think the public are ready to even

know that this exists? Because, you

know, they could tell us that they have

recovered UAPs or aliens, whatever it

might be, without telling us about the

technology.

>> They couldn't. I think we're going to

get to that point.

>> Yeah. I think they they were trapped in

in this system that had that had grown

up and uh people behind the scenes

working in the classified programs said,

"Well, you know, we don't know how the

public is going to respond, so let's be

safe and let's let's just keep it in

house."

>> Do you think Trump believes that there

are aliens? because I I was looking at

some of his quotes and he said, "Well, I

don't know if they're real or not. I

don't have an opinion on it. I never

talk about it." A lot of people do. A

lot of people believe it.

>> Barack Obama said that aliens are real.

>> Well, he gave classified information.

He's not supposed to be doing that, you

know.

>> So, aliens are real.

>> No, I don't I don't have an opinion on

it. I never talk about it. A lot of

people do. A lot of people believe it.

>> Do you believe it, Peter? Uh well the

president can declassify anything that

he wants to. So if you want to make an

announcement

>> I may get him out of trouble by

declassifying.

>> One of the things that came out in the

age of disclosure is that

during Trump's first administration

his cabinet was briefed by the UAP task

force by J Stratton. And when he briefed

them, uh, he was told that they had

asked for this briefing because they

needed to be able to evaluate what the

repercussions would be if Trump decided

to step to the microphone and tell the

world we're not alone in the universe.

Obviously, he didn't end up deciding to

do that then. However, in this new

administration,

he's got Rubio in the position of

Secretary of State and National Security

Adviser and fully aware of the situation

and that has given him the comfort to

put this this process in motion. There's

certainly a disclosure process unfolding

right now.

>> Obama said in an interview that he did

with Brian Tyler Cohen when asked about

aliens, Obama said, "They're real, but I

haven't seen them. They're not being

kept at Area 51. There's no underground

facility unless there's this enormous

conspiracy and they hid it from the

president of the United States." Now,

that sounded to me like kind of sarcasm

when he said, "They're real, but" and

then explained all that they're not

real.

>> They're real, but I haven't seen them.

and and uh they're not being kept in uh

Area 51. Uh there there's no underground

uh facility unless there's this enormous

conspiracy and they they hid it from the

president of the United States.

>> So it would appear to me that Obama also

doesn't know of any aliens.

>> I think Obama is largely kept in the

dark. I think he does know that the base

fact that we're not alone in the

universe. And I actually think when he

said they're real, I think he was being

that was just candid. That was his

honest

>> that was his honest candid genuine

statement. I think when he then said

they're not kept at Area 51,

>> I think he's also being honest cuz none

of my sources say that say that UAP and

aliens are being kept at Area 51,

they're being kept somewhere else. Um,

so I think he was being honest there.

And I think when he made the comment of

uh unless there's a giant conspiracy, if

you watch the tape, he like sips his cup

and raises his eyebrow. as he said, I

think he knows there's a giant

conspiracy. That's the truth. The

following day, uh, Trump was asked about

that on Air Force One and he responded

saying Obama revealed classified

information and he shouldn't have said

that. And, um, I think that's the truth.

>> Yeah.

>> I think presidents don't don't know and

they're and they're told not to talk

about it.

>> Trump has started to release a lot of

classified information around UAP and

aliens. The first batch of that was

released a couple of days ago. What

exactly is inside this report?

>> There was a number of files, reports, uh

video and uh still images that were

declassified. This is information that

previously had been classified or just

never really made public. Um this was

just the first trunch of uh what has

been what will be released. Uh the most

notable piece of evidence in there is an

image, a still image from the 1972

Apollo mission. It's an image of a

triangle, a seemingly triangleshaped

craft hovering above the moon and above

the astronauts. And the image was taken

from uh the from the lunar module. And

um you know, the UAP task force looked

into this image years ago uh and

determined it was real. That seems to be

the most glaring piece of evidence in

this this tunch. But I will say this,

how and I both have the same a lot of

the same sources of information. And

everyone we've talked to at various

federal agencies has told us that when

the president gave this directive in

middle of February for federal agencies

to declassify evidence of non-human

intelligent life and UAP, only a few

engaged with it. They only gave a small

percent of what they have and they only

had a couple weeks to do it. Mhm.

>> One of the things I I think I've always

struggled with with the idea of these

kind of conspiracies um is that I don't

know why that information would

necessarily fall into the hands of like

government officials because you know

alien life forms or UAPs would be

visible and would land in anyone's back

garden. So you would you could imagine a

world especially in a world where we

have I don't know like 8 billion iPhones

roaming around. Can imagine a world

where if there was some kind of UAP

crash in my garden, it would be on Tik

Tok within five minutes.

>> Yeah.

>> Or if there really was

>> someone got there with an iPhone. You're

right.

>> You know, there was that incident

earlier in the year with those were they

drones in in America flying Jersey.

Jersey

>> and that was on social media within

minutes and everyone was talking about

it and looking at what they were. I I

don't know. I think in the modern world

because we have so many ways to capture

high quality video, if there was

something out there, we would have seen

a very clear image of this thing by now.

>> That's why there there's a lot that came

out in these files because over the

years, our sensor systems that the

pilots have in their planes have gotten

so much better. They've captured really

astounding.

>> Does this life want to be seen? Do these

aliens want us to know they're there?

I'd have to assume that given the level

of quality of of their technology, if

they didn't want to be seen, we we

wouldn't be seeing them. So, it seems

like I would say there's evidence that

for whatever reason, they're they're

they're wanting to be seen.

>> But also, like I my personal opinion is

that if someone answers that question,

they're answering it through the lens of

like how humans think, right? For all we

know, you know, we're we're ants to

them. You know, you don't hide from the

ants. You walk around them. You don't

even But you also don't pay attention to

them. You know,

>> based on their behavior from the

interviews you've done,

>> how do you think they view us?

>> I I honestly feel like the dynamic is,

you know, we are very very far below

them on the food chain. You know, Hal

makes an analogy in the film. He says,

"The ants in your treeine in your

backyard, they could be there for

generations. You never think about them.

You walk around them. you don't you're

not hiding from them, but like they're

there and you don't really care, right?

But what happens if they evolve one day

and out of nowhere they figured out how

to get into your house and they've

belined under your under your door and

they're in your living room, right? We

might have evolved technologically over

the last 80 years since we cracked the

atom so quickly that we're now, you

know, the equivalent of the ants showing

up in their living room. Like all of a

sudden,

>> all of a sudden this waring species,

this violent species, humans, you know,

>> um

>> we have we we progressed so quickly. We

went from no real technological pro

progress for a very long time to

cracking the atom and then figuring out

nuclear technology and then continuing

to increase, you know, our our nuclear

technology development.

And you know, we have this program that

has been retrieving their crash craft

and trying to reverse engineer them. So

we might be at that point where we're

about to do what they do and all of a

sudden we are a problem. Um that might

be the explanation of why they pay so

much attention to our nuclear process.

You know there's a lot of UAP activity

not only at the nuclear weapons sites

all over the world but um sites involved

in the process the nuclear process like

uranium mines or refineries. Is it, you

know,

>> it might just be we've gotten to the

point where all of a sudden they have

they have to

>> in uh in the Soviet Union, the UAP came

over and actually started a launch of

the Russian missiles. I mean, it

actually forced the system to start into

a countdown process.

>> How do we know that?

>> By the intelligence community's uh

access to information about it. Every

person we spoke to in Beloraviche said

they saw a flying saucer on that day.

For hours, it hovered over the nearby

ballistic missile base. No one had

touched any buttons. No one had entered

any codes. And yet, as the UFO hovered

over the base, the control panel showed

the missiles were preparing to launch.

For 15 agonizing seconds, the base lost

control of its nuclear weapons.

Logically, I would think that unusual

activity would happen around

consequential sites.

>> Yes.

>> You know, I'd be more surprised if there

was really frequent unusual activity

happening in my back garden, for

example. But around highly consequential

sites, one would expect there to be

people flying things around there,

spying. You know what people are like

with cameras these days? They want to

take photos of anything interesting.

They they hang around police stations

and army barracks,

>> right? Right. So logically I would

assume that there would be an increased

probability of strange activity in the

sky above a nuclear site.

>> Well, in fact, there was a group of

people in the intelligence community who

who recognize exactly what you're

saying. And so they decided to, you

know, make an attractive magnet by

getting a whole lot of nuclear uh assets

in one location to see if that would

draw them in. And my understanding it

was successful. So, you know, our nation

and other nations have figured out

circumstances that can, for lack of a

better term, bait UAP. Um, a certain

level of nuclear footprint in a in a

small radius tends to attract them.

>> And, um, our nation figured that out a

long time ago and and so did other

nations.

>> One of the things that I've thought

about is I I know very little about

physics, but I know one thing I know is

how big the universe is. Now, I'm quite

a big fan of SpaceX. I'm actually an

investor in the company and um

>> from my fascination with space I've

learned just how big the universe is and

how long it would take us to travel from

I don't know earth to the nearest uh

galaxy. The closest star system to us

which is called Alpha Centuria.

>> Alpha Centuria right

>> is over four light years away which is

about 40 24 trillion miles.

>> Mhm. If we traveled at the impossible

10% of the speed of light, which is

impossible, currently impossible, it

would take a ship 40 years to get there.

>> Now, fortunately, what we learned in

looking at what might be the underlying

physics and using Einstein's theory of

general relativity, it turns out that

there are ways of modifying the

effective speed of light to make it much

higher or much lower. So, you you you

can do that. So, so when you get into

potentially modifying what we call the

space-time metric, you could get to a

point where you can make wormholes and

warp drives. And those are things that

are not off the charts. I mean, they're

actually textbooks by general relativity

experts on on the fact that you could

re-engineer the spacetime. You could do

it. You could get from here to there.

>> But you're not saying you would travel

in like a like a a a line like you do in

a plane, right?

>> Well, you could you you could it if if

you arrange for the effective speed of

light in that line to be much higher

than without breaking the speed of

light, you can zoom over there very

quickly. So you even even in in a

straight line. uh

>> but no no no one at the moment knows how

to do that on earth.

>> We can write the equations and see how

it doesn't violate our physics equations

but we don't have the uh engineering

process. So we figured out basically we

figured out

>> how these how these craft are operating

the theory of it but we don't have the

material sciences right what to

replicate it

>> what I'm pointing out is if you travel

at that speed across the universe if you

even hit I don't know an object the size

of a pebble it would be like a nuclear

explosion

>> the thing is if you're modifying uh

space it's sort of like making like like

a surfer wave on on on you know at the

the seashore you you arrange to have

space moving ahead like that. So you

come up to a rock, it's just going to

push it aside.

>> So you can engineer that.

>> This is how I've wrapped my head around

it. Um, essentially they're they're

warping spaceime in a localized area.

They're creating an immense amount of

energy around the craft and it creates

essentially a bubble around the craft

and that bubble separates the craft from

the environment around it.

>> So the environment has no no impact on

the craft. That's why we see transmedium

travel like a craft going, you know,

smooth from space to air to the water

without even a splash. The environment

around the bubble has no bearing on the

craft inside it. And the craft inside it

is in its own spaceime. And once you

wrap your head around that, then things

like interstellar travel become totally

possible.

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One of the paradoxes with this is they

appear to be such so advanced in their

physics

>> and their technology, if I should call

it that. But at the same time they seem

to be crashing a lot which is

>> well actually some of them have not

crashed but have been simply left in the

desert sort of like a gift or a

donation.

>> We're we're still trying to figure that

out. So I mean some of them do do crash

and and uh it can have maybe some of our

electromagnetic pulsing and laser

pulsing can interfere with their

technology and and and you might get a

crash. Why why don't you why do you

think another country hasn't come

forward with similar disclosures and

similar evidence? I

>> actually think there's a really simple

answer for that. Um I think our allies

follow the US's lead,

>> right?

>> And I think our adversaries,

primarily China and Russia,

>> have no reason to go public. They don't

have the same sort of societies and

dynamics like she can do what he wants

anyway. What's what's the advantage to

him? Same thing with Putin. you know

there is no advantage and when you look

at it that way you really quickly get to

the you know this is the way it is for

that reason

>> they did a study in 2026 and found that

45 planets are likely capable of

supporting life they called this the

habitable zone out of more than 6,000

planets discovered so far by NASA

>> Mhm.

>> Um there are approximately a trillion

galaxies in the universe and within

these galaxies 100,000 planets could

potentially host life according to

Oxford University. Now, I believe that

if you think about the entire universe,

I believe that we're not the only life

in the universe.

>> Yes. Right.

>> I think that's I mean,

>> I think that's a very scientific

conclusion.

>> Probabilistically, it would be pretty

incredible if we were. I mean, it' be

just it's almost inconceivable that we

are. The question of whether that life

has been here is a question that for me

is still a big question mark because I

just, you know, I also I think Elon, you

know, whatever you think about Elon, he

is someone that seems to just say what

he thinks. And this is part of what's

caused his companies a lot of problem is

he seems to be pretty unfiltered. He has

been asked multiple times as well if he

believes that they are there are aliens

in the in in our galaxy. And he has said

on multiple occasions that he doesn't

believe that to be the case. And you

know, he's launching rockets all the

time. He said, I heard him say, "If

anyone should know, it should be me."

Do you think he knows?

>> I think that you can't operate in space

at at at the level he does or operate as

a contractor at the level he does um

without having clearances that require

secrecy. You know, there's there's

there's all kinds of uh levels of

secrecy. You know, there's everyone

knows the word classified, right?

classified projects, but there's also

black projects that are unagnowledged

special access programs where you

literally by law required to not

acknowledge the existence of the program

or anything it does. That's literally

the

>> anything it knows.

>> Yeah, that's literally the whole that

they're literally referred to as

unagnowledged special access programs.

So, if you're involved team as well with

>> So, if you're involved with an

uncknowledged special access program,

someone asks you about it,

>> you you have to say you have no idea

what they're talking about. and all of

his team

>> if if they are a part of the program.

Yeah. But just because someone's um read

it on an unagnowledged special access

program doesn't mean all their employees

are.

>> Elon said um that we have 9,000

satellites up there. He's referring to

his company Starink. And not once have

we had to maneuver around an alien

spaceship. He argues that if aliens were

constantly visiting Earth, the aerospace

experts who watch the skies every day

would be the first to know. Well, look,

NASA also has said for decades that they

had no evidence of extraterrestrial life

for UAPs, and last Friday, the federal

government released a photo of a

triangle craft hovering over the 1972

Apollo space mission. So, somebody's

somebody's not being honest,

>> right?

>> You know, which also implies a lot of

other people know things that they

haven't revealed. I

>> I think I've heard you say before, how

that you think this intelligent life

actually exists amongst us. Yeah, I the

quote was they are not occasional

visitors. They live secretly alongside

humans but with advanced technology.

>> We have so many sightings and so many uh

even access to materials and so on. I

mean they're all over the place.

>> 65% of Americans believe intelligent

life exists on other planets. Uh 40% of

people say military reported UFOs are

probably evidence of extraterrestrial

life

>> according to Pew Research. And 30% of

Americans believe UFOs or unidentified

flying objects are probably alien ships

of life form. And 47% of Americans

believe aliens have definitely or

probably visited Earth at some point.

According to Yuggov, half of Americans

believe that UFOs

slash aliens have definitely or probably

visited life at some point.

>> H quite a lot of people.

>> Well, you see you see the the age of

disclosure film and the people that came

forward. I mean, you had Clapper, ex uh

head of the office of director of

national intelligence and senator Rubio

at the time now in his elevated position

and so on. You now have people of real

quality and you know they're not lying

and they're coming forth and saying this

is real and we got to deal with it and

there's a lot we don't know about it.

>> Could you be wrong?

Um, I don't think it's about whether I'm

wrong or Al's wrong. You'd have to

believe that senior leadership across

the government, the military, the

intelligence community that has access

to classified information and is saying

based on the classified information they

have seen, this is a real situation.

You'd have to believe all of those

people are lying for some bizarre

unexplained reason.

So, I find that hard to believe. Could

it be the case that all of those people

were misinterpreting what they were

seeing? They they saw something, you

know, fighter pilots saw something

moving in their visors when they're up

in

>> Oh, really? Because that

>> I mean, in some cases that could be the

case, but then when you have actual

materials, crash craft

bodies that aren't human. Also, a lot of

these sightings, um, they're now in the

process of the White House, cabinet

members are in the process of

identifying where the evidence exists

within federal agencies and the military

so they can get access to it themselves

and then determine from there what can

safely be shared with the public. I

think once they get their hands on more

evidence, then a plan would put in place

for telling the world this conclusion. I

think we're we're it's like

>> more close

>> fade to complete basically like it's

going to get to that point relatively

soon.

>> If we get to that point and you get

personally invited in to wherever

they're keeping these materials and you

get to see every single file that exists

and as you go through those files you

realize that

a lot of what you've been told is not

true because there's other explanations.

How would it like fundamentally change

the way that you see the world?

Some of some of the UAP we've seen, like

take the famous everybody knows the

tic-tac UFO, right? Uh that Commander

Dave Fraver, the Navy fighter pilot,

interacted with in 2004, right?

>> I'll put that on the screen for anyone

that hasn't seen it.

>> Great. And so take that take that UAP

for example. Multiple data collection

systems and commander Dave Fraver, a

legend in the NA in in the Navy, top gun

guy, commander of an entire naval strike

group, right? Like total badass legend

legend of a guy. uh he sees this with

his own eyes and a bunch of data

collection systems captured data

confirming it's real. This UAP went from

hovering above the ocean to instantly

being at 80,000 ft which is the entrance

to space right and it did that maneuver

all afternoon. The amount of energy

required to do that is so bonkers. It's

we do not humans do no human beings have

the ability to create that much that

much energy right in a localized area

for for

>> an aircraft. And and so to answer your

question, if we find out, you know, the

unthinkable that this is not non-human

intelligent life, that some humans have

figured out how to crack that technology

and did it as recent as 2004 when the

Tic Tac incident happened, that would

be even more mind-blowing than accepting

that life from elsewhere is here and has

been here a long time because that would

mean that some some group of humans leap

frog the rest of all of humanity

technologically by thousands of years

>> and then seemingly did nothing with that

>> or it could be something else.

>> That's the nature of unusual things.

They become great stories. So I I think

in the case of the tic tac incident

again I'm what I'm trying to do is

interrogate this from all angles is

could it have been something else?

any any isolated event like that. You

could do the whole could it be this,

could it be that thing, but it's the

it's the you got to take a step back and

look at this the collective. It's one

report like that after another from

credible people since World War II.

>> You know, during World War II, pilots

were seeing what they called Foo

Fighters, like these orbs that would

move alongside uh our our fighter jets,

right? Like they would like they would

move in in line with them. Um,

>> and now we have we have people on ships

seeing these things enter the water and

then moving at, you know,

>> impossible knots or something which no

human being could.

>> As far as I know, our fastest submarines

go like 50 miles an hour.

>> These things are going hundreds of miles

an hour under the ocean. So these craft

are transmedium. They're seen in space.

They're seen in the air. They're seen

underwater.

>> There's just too much activity to to

ignore it.

>> Yeah. And and that would be a hard one

to say, well, you know, is there some

sonar thing that makes you think

something is doing that? But it's seen

enough times under enough different

conditions that we just have to accept

that it's real.

>> Is there a reason why this hasn't been

captured on like an iPhone? We're in in

4K. There's been a lot of stuff captured

on phones and video cameras in in that

scene in the age of disclosure I

mentioned where Hal and some of the

other people break down how these things

are working and they describe that

they're creating a warp bubble around

the craft. That warp bubble also makes

it very hard to get a clear video of

something cuz you're you're taking a

photo or a video through essentially a

space-time barrier. You know,

>> time barrier.

>> It's like the equivalent of taking

pictures of uh trying to take video of

like koiish in a pond from above the

water. it's going to look all distorted

because you're going through the water.

If you're if you're trying to video or

take a photo through this this bubble,

it makes it pretty hard and you end up

with the kind of videos we we see.

>> Um, you're probably familiar with this

NASA report that they produced on UAPs,

independent study team report, where

they

>> they essentially say that they don't

believe that this these UAPs are are

aliens.

>> Why would NASA be lying? like all these

big bureaucracies, there's people who

are aware of the truth and then there's

people who have the truth kept from

them. You know, one of the people I

interviewed was Mike Gold who was on the

UAP uh the NASA UAP task force and he

talked about um how that effort was was

flawed from the start. They didn't want

to have a result that said NASA has all

this information that they've kept from

the public. They wanted the result that

that they landed on, which is there's

nothing to see here. And they were

really discouraged from um for example,

the uh that that image of a triangle,

what clearly appears to be a triangle

craft over the moon. Um they were told

not to not to include that in their

report.

>> Like they were they they they were not

set up to tell the world the truth.

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>> In your view, is it possible that aliens

aren't uh aren't real? Is it possible?

Possible.

>> So, you think it's impossible?

>> Yeah. using the term alien you know has

a certain connotation about it. So we

can certainly say I mean the evidence is

absolutely clear that there is some form

of life with advanced technology. You

know if you want to say well what can I

prove about about it? Well that those

are still unknowns that we're trying to

sus out.

>> I got access at a very high to a very

high level of the government the

military intelligence community. And

there were a lot of people who talked to

me off the record that wouldn't go on

camera. There were a lot of people who

uh couldn't tell me about classified

information and want to know classified

information, but they all made it very

clear um not just on camera but off the

record that there that there is evidence

at a classified level that is clear as

day. Like some video taken when like the

bubble is turned off and you can see a

cra a a craft of non-human origin. Clear

as day. And there is evidence of the

technology that's been recovered and of

these bodies. And when you have when if

you put yourself in my shoes, when you

have so many senior people across the

military, government intelligence

committee telling you this, it's it's

really just impossible to ignore it.

Especially when most of them aren't even

friends. They're not like ideologically

aligned or politically aligned. They're

all just different groups of people.

>> I'm less compelled by eyewitnesses. This

is the problem because, you know, I'm

such a big true crime fan. You hear

about all the bloody cases where

eyewitness said this and then they find

out the serial killer wasn't that person

or that thing didn't happen. So, and I

also just have my own experiences of

like thinking I saw things when I was

younger.

>> Here's an interesting thing you just

made me think of. So, in the film, uh,

Rubio and General Jim Clapper,

>> two people who are completely

ideologically and politically opposed to

each other,

>> made the same really intelligent point

and they both have knowledge at a a

classified level of this situation. They

both said a problem we as humans have is

that there's something in the human

psyche that says I cannot wrap my head

around or prepare for things I haven't

seen or experienced. Right? And time and

time again throughout history that has

proven to be like a human flaw. Right?

Uh Rubio goes on to say that the

greatest intelligence failures in US

history come from a lack of imagination.

And he cites a few examples. He says,

"We never would have imagined the

Japanese could figure out how to get

torpedoes through the straits and hit us

at Pearl Harbor until they did." Um, he

says, "We never would have imagined

terrorists would fly to the homeland,

learn to fly commercial planes and then

use them in a terrorist attack until

they did." Right? Um he says some other

examples too, but time and time again

not wrapping our head around a set of

circumstances that and using our

imagination to think about what might

happen or what might be happening has

it's bit us in the ass. And he he ends

his line of thought by saying lack of

imagination leads to strategic surprise

like Pearl Harbor, like 9/11. And

sometimes strategic surprise changes the

course of history. Mhm.

>> And so, you know, him and and other

people I interviewed think it's really

important to get ahead of this as

opposed to waiting for something to

happen as opposed to waiting for, you

know, to find out the hard way that

China, you know, cracked this technology

before us and used it as in an act of

war or uh non-human intelligent life uh

does something unpredictable and then

all of a sudden the US government's on

its heels and so are other governments

on their heels explaining to the public

what they've known for a long time. I

I've often heard that the reason why

they don't tell the general public that

these things exist is because general

public aren't ready for this

information.

Is that an argument? I've not really

heard you guys say that.

>> Yeah. No, people there are people

involved in gatekeeping this information

that don't think the public can handle

the truth. Uh you know, Hal recently

told me that people in the legacy

program are pointing to the age of

disclosure and saying, "Look, this film

reveals a lot and people aren't losing

their You know, people aren't

jumping out of windows. is not causing

chaos in society. Like the public can

handle the base facts. Like

>> of all the things you've heard, Dan,

what is the what was the most compelling

story or anecdote that you heard that

convinced you?

>> It was really just the sheer number of

very high level military government

intelligence officials who were telling

me in in private settings to my face,

you know, that at a classified level,

they know with absolute certainty this

is real. But if you had to pick one

story.

>> Oh, I mean it's really it's really it

wasn't one it really wasn't one thing

for me. It was like it was the overall

it's like for example I I interviewed

Rubio and Jill Senator Jill Brown on the

same day. They both uh participated in

the film and did lengthy interviews with

me and both looked me in the face and

told me they thought this was the most

important documentary that's ever been

made and that this was really important

to bring this information out in a

thoughtful way to the public and make

them aware of what's happening. you you

can't like on hear stuff like that, you

know. Um, and it makes it makes an

impact on you.

>> What about you, Hal? What was the most

persuasive thing that you that tipped

you over the edge from a you know, maybe

being agnostic to believing that there

are nonhuman intelligent life amongst

us? Well, it's looking at the technology

which is so advanced

that I'm essentially certain that no uh

us or our adversaries could have made

it. So, somebody actually made it and it

has to be somebody who knows a lot more

about physics than we do. I mean there's

this there's nowhere to go but to say

okay there's somebody who is way beyond

humans to develop that kind of

technology and display it

>> of all the evidence that's been released

and all of the rumors and videos and you

know going back to the crop fields that

we used to hear about many years ago

presumably there's lots of this stuff

that you don't believe

>> that you think is nonsense. Oh, there's

definitely there's definitely tons of

>> there's tons of reports that are that

when you look into them seem like

for sure

>> because you know one of the things

people often say is that alien encounter

descriptions perfectly match the pop

culture of that era. So people saw

flying sauces in the in the 1950s after

sci-fi movies popularized them and gray

aliens in the 1980s after books um like

Communion

>> popularized them. And this kind of

suggests that sightings are born from

human imagination versus

>> well I I think I and I think that's a

reasonable uh place to come to. I think

I think a lot of the reports that we get

you know we can generally set aside as

being you know just manufactured by

humans who get caught up in this sort of

a give and take on social media and so

on. But nonetheless, when you really

zero in on actual evidence of

technologies and evidence of bodies

there, you can't just say it's uh, you

know, it's just social contagion.

>> The when I think about the technologies,

when I watch like the Tic Tac video,

>> it's kind of blurry and I don't really

know what I'm looking at.

>> Like there's this thing moving around on

the screen that's like black and white,

but I don't really know what I'm looking

at. And I think this has always been the

struggle with it is we're so used to

consuming content in high definition

that we can clearly and it appears to be

the case that so many of these UAP

videos are like in the distance and kind

of blurry and vague. So it makes them

harder to believe and it just I think

we're all longing for like a solid

video. You talked about them going in

and out of the water. How come someone's

not got you got if someone like falls

over and we we we capture it all on

camera these days. CCTV cameras on every

high street. Why is there not like a

solid video of something going in the

water and out the water?

>> Look, most multiple people said on on

camera that they have seen with their

own eyes, classified videos that are

indisputable. Um, and some of them told

me specifics like that story I told you,

the first video J Stratton was shown

when he went down this rabbit hole was a

triangle craft hovering over a nuclear

weapons site. Uh, Air Force security

guards had filmed it on a little VHS

camera that they had. It was it was

hovering long enough for them to do

that. you know, that kind of evidence

exists, but it's just still classified.

>> Will it be coming out, do you think?

>> I I I hope so. I I I know this process

is playing out right now where people

like like J Stratton are helping the

administration find where the evidence

exists so they can get their hands on it

and then determine whether it can safely

be declassified. Like that process is

definitely playing out right now.

>> Do you think do you trust the Trump

administration to release all of the

available information?

>> I I don't think it's a question of do we

trust the current administration will

release it. It's do we think all these

federal agencies and branches of

military are going to turn over the

evidence they have to the

administration? That's the question. And

the jury is still out on that. They're

they're not right now. They're pushing

back and they're pushing back hard. And

that's why the administration is working

with people like Stratton, like Jay

Stratton, who who who had who over 16

years has learned where a lot of this

evidence is. um they're working with

people like him to find out where the

evidence sits, who who's gatekeeping it

at each of these different organizations

and how to get to it. Um so they're

doing they're doing a factf finding

mission right now.

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If it is released, if all the

information that you've heard from your

witnesses is released, if they release,

you know, craft, alien craft, and they

release alien bodies and all of these

things, how do you imagine the world

would be different?

>> I think it will lead to a giant

technology boom. I think once we're

told, hey, there's this technology that

exists that could revolutionize the way

we live, you know, it could lead to

anti-gravity technology. It could lead

to new energy sources, new energy

sources, solve the energy crisis

overnight, right? Could lead to

interstellar travel and going farther

out, you know,

>> and I think it would have a great

psychological effect because, you know,

if suddenly uh you go from the point of

saying, well, maybe we're the only

intelligent species in the universe, and

then you suddenly get the idea that

this is a universe full of life.

>> What does that mean for religion? I

think all dogmas will just apply to it,

you know, and I think the Vatican's

already gotten ahead of it and said, you

know, they put out a message a couple

years ago that basically the the the

gist of it was, you know, God's God's

universe and God's work is vast and, you

know,

>> vast you couldn't you couldn't uh, you

know, say that he he wouldn't have the

ability to do that. I mean,

>> so I from a religious standpoint and

certainly in theaa case of the Catholic

Church, they've had uh very positive

views about population being throughout

the universe.

>> And there's nothing really, at least

from the Catholic Church's perspective,

there's nothing that counters the, you

know, that doesn't allow you to wrap

your head around the fact that there's

other life out there, you know.

>> Are you guys religious? not like overly

religious, but like, you know, I my my

my mom's Irish and and grew up going to

Catholic school and I, you know, I went

to a CCD and, you know, Sunday school

is. It's called a C CCD where I grew up.

Um, but

>> you believe in God?

>> I do. I do.

>> Do you believe in God?

>> I do, too. Yeah. And I'm a practicing

Catholic. So,

>> So, would that mean that you believe God

has made all of these aliens as well?

>> That's my That's what my worldview is.

>> Yeah. I would think that I couldn't say

that's not the case. But you know as a

scientist I can't prove that that it is

the case but you know just just on the

statistics of it it's pretty likely.

You know an interesting thing happening

right now Stephen too is these people

who have been gatekeeping the truth. Um

a lot of them are afraid to come forward

and tell the White House what they know

because they they think they're going to

be villainized. They think the optics

around this are such that like if

someone's been covering this up, they're

they're they're they're the villain of

the story, right? And so, um, the White

House and the Director of National

Intelligence and the Department of War

realized this and so in the last couple

weeks, they've been messaging out to the

military and the intelligence community

that this is not a witch hunt. It's not

an endeavor to punish anyone. They want

to encourage people to come forward.

assure them there will be no no

punishment u for being involved in

gatekeeping this. They just want to

learn the truth and find out where the

real evidence sits. So that's another

thing that's playing out right now that

I think if it gets out there enough uh

it will lead to more people coming

forward with that that evidence we all

want to see.

>> Yeah.

>> Earlier on we you talked about how some

people feel like their lives are at risk

because of what they know. Has there

been any instance of anyone being

punished for saying anything in this

regard?

Well, certainly having having their

clearances pulled or losing their op

opportunities for advancement. Uh we

we've heard stories like that from from

several people in the intelligence.

>> Is there is there anyone you can name

that has said that they were threatened

or punished or in some form because of

what they

>> Well, certainly the the number one

whistleblower for for many people has

been David Crush. And so he has uh

outlined the various steps taken against

him to basically ruin his career

significantly enough that he went to the

inspector general of the intelligence

community and said I'm being punished,

shoved aside, losing clearances and so

on because I came out with this data and

they said well what you provided us is,

you know, serious worthy of

consideration. And I think a lot of

people have had their lives threatened.

>> Um I'm not certain if if anyone has been

killed.

>> Um but I know people have had their

lives threatened.

>> No.

>> And who's threatening them?

>> People that are involved um in this this

program referred to as the legacy

program

>> who think that the evidence should not

ever come out.

>> This legacy program. So this is a

program ran within the US government to

>> US government

>> elements

>> elements of it uh and also defense

contractors

>> and you think the legacy program knows

the truth on this regard.

>> Yes, because they have the firsthand

evidence of the crash materials and the

bodies.

There's 80 years of data that this this

group has

>> and they haven't released or leaked that

data for the last 80 years.

>> There'd be no advantage.

>> No one's hacked it.

>> This this program is the epitome of a

special access program. I think this

program is as off the grid as it it

could possibly be.

>> It almost seems like there's nothing

that eventually hasn't come to come to

light that the government have done.

Like I've sat here and interviewed a lot

of CIA spies who've told me the history

of the CIA and this program that lasted

for 12 years and then it comes out and

this program and I mean even some of the

stuff that I've heard you talk about Hal

around um what's it called?

>> Remote viewing.

>> Remote viewing.

>> Remote viewing.

>> That was that CIA project?

>> CIA.

>> What is remote viewing?

>> Remote viewing. Well, the the the CIA

suddenly got concerned because they saw

that the Soviets were spending millions

of dollars at some of their best

institutes to investigate the possible

use of quote ESP.