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So here we're going we're talking about

primal fitness. We're talking about uh

the ability to uh accomplish some task

of life. And uh do you think there's

anything that we can do from from

CrossFit's standpoint, from the

programming, whether it's the main side

wad or videos or recommendations or

journal articles to perhaps improve

folks capability with uh a hammer, a

sledgehammer, a a a club, or do you

think that's just one of those things

where do you take your fitness? Wish I

wish I had a hammer drilled that didn't

look like using a sledgehammer on a

stupid tire. What I need is that thing

from the old fair. Ding. Yeah. You know.

Yeah.

>> I I want to be able to quantify it.

>> And uh

>> currently we're not we don't we don't

have the tools for that. But boy, if I

could

>> um two things you'd find the hammer work

and the uh uh ball slam drill would be

would be staples.

>> Remember the problem with the ball slam

drill? It was the drop. Yeah.

>> Sweep under and catch with no real

throw,

>> right? Because

>> it makes that it makes that a a

>> wonderful rest in any workout. And going

as hard as you can doesn't make it any

faster,

>> right?

>> And so I, you know, I I don't like the

exercise because it there's a an

enormous enticement to cheat.

>> Mhm. But, uh, if someone would out there

would make me a some kind of force plate

and, uh, we could put a hammer, a tire,

rubber sheet, you know, Yeah. We we'd be

we'd be banging stuff.

>> Mhm. Yeah.

>> It'd be neat to have it, too, so that it

was targeted so that your score dropped

as you were off of center, right? You

know, so some engineer out there is

going to see this and

>> and make this for me.

>> Yeah.

>> It'll make everyone miserable from that

discovery from the effect.

>> Yeah. uh you know the early days you

used to talk a lot about misery and uh

the the C2 rower was one of your

favorites and the the Schwin uh Airdine

uh and its ability to to induce misery.

Why are we in an industry where where

the degree to which something causes

misery

>> is probably the degree to which we need

to do it? What what's that correlation?

Why why is the the miserable of such

great benefit? All great things in every

province, in every domain come to those

willing to suffer and endure and

sacrifice and commit. It's blood, sweat,

tears, and other bodily fluids that that

uh that make things happen. And this is

true in business. It's true wanting to

learn physics. It's true to play the

violin. You know, you you can't get

better and look good at the same time.

You can't get better without sacrifice.

And the thing that that

distinguishes the the failing physics

student and the PhD is not so much

intelligence as it is perseverance and

commitment and tolerance to discomfort.

Doing physics is hard. Playing the

violin is hard. It's frustrating. You

know, uh getting fit is hard and

frustrating. Becoming a great athlete is

hard and frustrating. And what what

crossfitters share

in total is uh the understanding that

that uh all good things come from

sacrifice and and discomfort.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You know, we

>> very stoic kind of a mindset,

>> but it it seems to be true. I mean,

CrossFit is not the easy way. And uh I I

was talking with uh Craig Howard and uh

about CrossFit being an barrier.

And I think it's this idea that that

don't like to suffer and put

off, you know, sacrifice today for some

gain tomorrow. And uh do do you have any

any thoughts on that that relationship?

>> There's we're we're co-selecting for a

whole bunch of admirable character

traits. And once you get rid of the

people in your life, in your community,

in your gym, in your neighborhood, who

want something for nothing, who don't

understand that it's through sacrifice

and commitment and rigor, arter, sweat,

you know, that that good things come. Uh

once you back them out, you find things

like thieves disappear, you know, and

because so much of of repugnant behavior

is about uh trying to get something for

nothing.

>> And and the CrossFitters don't they

inherently

don't believe that it's possible,

>> right?

>> That you're gonna, you know,

>> right? Otherwise, why would you put

yourself through such such discomfort,

right?

>> That's right. Right.

>> Right. This is why, you know, we have

that diagram. You are here and

excellence is over here and the dollar

sign here. And we say that,

>> you know, markets are unknowable. So,

trying to get to the money never works.

The excellence is obvious to everyone

you get there. And then what markets do

is move money to excellence,

>> right?

>> But, uh, you don't you won't be able to

to to see how to how to how to get the

cash. And uh life's kind of that way.

You know, you do the right thing and

good things happen by often unknowable

directions and avenues. And

>> have you seen any conclusions or or or

do you even have any sense of um you

know, we look at the winners of the

CrossFit games, we look at the people

who did well this year, last year. Do

you have any sense of uh reward or or

proof or the proving ground of what uh

is there any new conclusion now that

we've had a month after the games?

>> I haven't I haven't seen I haven't

looked at it hard enough yet.

>> Okay.

>> But uh

and and there's some things that some

are claiming. I'm not going to repeat it

yet because I I haven't I I don't I

don't see the evidence yet, but we'll

keep looking. But um um I would fully

expect if anything were trending that it

would be uh super operative next cycle

and that that trend if it were real

would continue.

>> So that uh whatever trends happened in

2009 by 2010 the performance we should

we should be able to see. In fact, what

I'm saying here ultimately is that the

community will draw the lessons with

greater efficiency and accuracy than a

bunch of pin heads looking at numbers

are going to on our end,

>> right?

>> You know,

>> because because they want to win and so

they're they're more motivated than we

are.

>> Winners winners are are remarkably adept

at figuring out what's required to win.

Yeah.

>> And uh so it's it's going to be a very

natural process and we'll end up 15

years from now with a very different

kind of crossfitter with a very

different kind of training

>> uh being very dominant at unknown

unknowable you know constantly varied

highintensity functional movement. Uh so

speaking toward that direction, there's

nothing you've seen yet that makes you

want to modify the uh main site wads or

any sort of prediction that we have or

or or prescription I should say um about

uh changing the any any component of the

approach. I mean obviously the main site

workouts are quite varied. Um is there

anything?

>> Not that I know. Not that I know of yet.

It wouldn't surprise me if it did if

something didn't come up. But, you know,

we're super reactive. I mean, next year

there's there's already some buzz about

how it went down and what, you know, and

and there's assumptions about what next

year is going to be like. And, uh, you

and I and Dave and the rest of the team,

we're just going to make sure that those

people are wrong.

>> Right. [laughter]

>> They're absolutely positive. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Give me a bunch of guesses of what

you think we're going to do, and I'll

make sure that you were all wrong.

>> Yep.

>> Right. Well, good, Greg. Thank you. It's

been It's been a real pleasure. Yeah.

Thank you.

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