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>> I won't lie. I am nervous to talk to

>> Come on.

>> How can you be nervous? That's

ridiculous.

>> Like I came in slightly intimidated.

>> Why?

>> I actually don't know the answer to that

because we've never met. Yeah. So, it's

not like you've intimidated me, but I

just I'm really um I think I what I

really enjoy about your show is just

such an eclectic perspective on so many

diverse things and it comes like so

naturally to you. Um I really admire

that.

>> Well, fortunately I don't have anybody

pick my guests, so it's all people that

I'm actually interested in talking to.

So, it's easy.

>> It's just stuff.

>> Thank you for for picking me.

>> Oh, my pleasure. I'm excited to talk to

you. I your movie is crazy. Like

I knew it was a pilot a pirate movie,

but I I just did not expect the ultra

violence. Like from the beginning I was

like, yo, like I locked in immediately.

I was like first scene I was like, "Holy

shit."

>> Like this is crazy.

>> Well, thank you. That's

>> what was that like to I mean is it

>> when you're doing something that's that

hyper violent? Like is that does that

freak you out at all? like you're

cutting people open with swords and

stabbing them in the neck and it's like

holy

>> When you're doing it, you know, it's

like make believe. So, it's so much fun

to be like, "Yeah, PLAYING PIRATES AND

I'M GOING TO behead you." But um I mean

in moments of like scenes and stuff

where I actually had to think about what

it must have been like to be a female at

that time or because they existed women

female pirates existed and we just we

didn't hear many much about stories

about them. I mean, I heard about Grace

Ali, maybe um there were Mary Reed, like

a few famous ones. Um Ching Xi after I

did my research. But like in those

moments, you're like, "This stuff must

have like this was real. They lived at a

time where it was

>> survival of the fittest. It was

barbaric." Um and I wonder what that

must have been like. But besides that,

the stunts and stuff, like I really have

so much admiration for the amount of um

precision it requires to pull that stuff

off from so many people, not just the

stunt department, but like the cameras

because they're also moving in sync with

you.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and that's cool.

>> It is cool. Is it hard to stay in the

moment when all that is happening?

Because you have so much coordination

and so there's there's so much

choreography. There's like he's going to

swing this way and you're going to block

it and you're going to dive down.

There's like it's so complex. Like these

are long extended fight scenes.

>> We had like a lot of wonders too like

full the whole scene in one shot.

>> Whoa. um which Frankie, our director,

really loved the idea of and I honestly

love it because it it brings you into

that that moment is so enriched with

everything that you're supposed to feel

between action and cut. So I do love a

long Warner. Um but you know I come from

Bollywood movies so we have a lot of

choreography choreography for like dance

sequences where stories are also moving

forward like between you know your

exchange of expression or something's

happening somewhere else you come back.

So I treat sort of fight sequences like

dancing.

>> It's you learn the choreography but that

doesn't stop your face from telling the

story.

>> Right. That makes sense.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. And I mean it is kind I mean it's

just choreography whether it's

choreography with dance or choreography

with movements with your hands and

swords.

>> I had never worked with blades before

this movie though. That was cool.

>> How much training did you have to do?

Like when you found out that you're

going to take the role.

>> Yeah.

>> Um how much preparation did you have to

do physically to get ready for all that

stuff?

>> It was a cool year for me because I was

filming three jobs which were all action

and stunts. So this movie called Heads

of State, which I did

>> for Amazon again, and then Citadel and

this movie. So it was a year of three

action jobs. So the, you know, being

agile and being in it was already part

of what I was doing because that's what

I was filming every day. But the swords

training was tough and to be

ambidextrous with it as well. Um, so I

had um my my stunt coordinator who was

doing all three movies with me. She in

between shots, she and I would just take

our rubber swords out and do like

choreography and rehearsals and

>> but like it took at least three or four

months of just staying in it and getting

loose with it. Also because Carl Urban,

my co- actor had

>> casual learned uh how to do like sword

fights in the Lord of the Rings.

>> So he was amazing at it. So I didn't,

you know, in that last duel I didn't

want to be any less than, so I kind of

went at it.

>> No, you look very good at it. It was

really good. So I was like, did you work

with some sort of like a kendo

specialist or uh some fencing

specialist? Like how did you learn how

to move the sword correctly?

>> It wasn't kendo for sure. It definitely

wasn't fencing. was uniquely because the

swords were our director was very very

excited about the weapons in this movie

and wanting to get it really right from

the period whether it was the guns that

we used or

>> the blades that we used. Um the machete

was one of my favorite weapons in the

movie because that's like her weapon

>> in the movie cuz it's practical. Use it

for coconuts, use it for skulls. Same

same.

And that was really fun. But um our our

you know second unit director Rob Alonzo

had so much experience in in the amount

of work that he's done prior. He came in

with a very specific idea of wanting to

make the fighting style super unique and

each set piece like a different design

of choreography. So you know there was

one which was in a dark cave so the only

time you saw people was when the gunshot

went off and just different styles of

fighting um which I thought was really

cool. So, but did you have like a

professional trainer that taught you how

to do that? And so, how would you do it?

Would you do it with a real sword? Would

you do it with like

>> Well, we had three different kinds of

swords. The real sword like weighs more

than me. It was insane. I couldn't do it

with a real sword as much. But for

filming, and this is the magic of the

movies, you know, you have four

different weights of it. One is like the

real sword where you need it for like,

you know, where it's a closeup or the

sword is really, really visible. Um, but

when you're doing the big choreography,

you have like a lighter sword which is

created by the props department and then

the northern lighter one and when you

need to flip it, it's the lightest one

>> cuz I was thinking

>> telling you all my

>> all the That's good. It's good to know.

>> That sucks. Oh, no.

>> No,

>> here I was trying to impress you with my

sword flipping.

>> It's impressive period.

>> I'm talking about my fencing, but no, it

was movie magic.

>> One of the things that I was thinking

when I was watching it is like, how many

takes did you have to do with this? Cuz

that's got to be so hard to do cuz

you're swinging this gigantic iron thing

and clashing into other ones. Like if

you have to do three or four takes of

this, your arms are going to be toast.

>> Oh, we did like 10 hours of it every day

for like seven days or something.

>> Do you have shoulder problems after

that?

>> No, actually I didn't. But I was jacked.

>> My arms never looked as good now. I

mean, I have a four-year-old and I lift

her a lot, so my arms are like all

right. But during this movie, O because

we were just like at it. Yeah.

>> And we both threw ourselves at it and I

took it was a big choreography on top of

this bluff. We shot on 100% of this

movie at least 90% is definitely on

practical sets, real sets. We did not

want to use a lot of VFX. So,

>> you know, Phil Ivy, um, our production

designer, we built the ships, we built

the house, we built everything was a

replica of what it would have looked

like in the 1900s in the Cayman Islands.

We went and saw it. It was amazing to be

able to do that with real stuff, you

know.

>> Yeah. Well, the the whole history of

piracy is so fascinating. And one of the

things that the movie is about is this

the Carl Urban character is from he was

one of the soldiers of the East India

Trading Company.

>> Then I went on a deep dive on the East

India Trading Company. That is crazy.

When you learn the history of that

>> one corporation is one of the first

publicly traded corporations that

essentially was in control of India,

Pakistan and Bangladesh went to war with

China over opium and that's how they

took over Hong Kong. You're like holy

One crazy corporation involved

in the slave trade, the opium, just a a

corporation, a publicly traded

corporation. people could buy stock in

it, like one of the first ones. And it

just went haywire to the point where it

got so big there was a revolt and then

the British government took over it,

nationalized it. But it's the whole

story is insane.

>> If you think about how much in their

minds they were able to achieve and how

much they were able to destroy um in

that duration is crazy. If you go down

history um

>> changed the course of countries forever,

>> human lives forever. Like the amount of

pillaging that happened.

>> Yes.

>> Millions and millions of lives. And this

movie actually has a really interesting

slice of

>> what they were capable of doing. They

utilized pirates in order to, you know,

take over new lands, right? And in their

conquests. And then um when piracy was

abolished, they you know went after them

and they they wanted to arrest them and

they vilified the same people that

helped them build their entire empire.

So this was really interesting because

um my character's story her her parents

and her family are indentured servants

which was the truth of many many people

especially in India um where young

people were um you know told better

opportunities new lands more money um

come with us and take them off as

servants and then drop them in different

parts of the world in islands and the

Caribbean has a huge Indian community um

whose history started with um just being

displaced from their lands and and

dropped somewhere else in the world and

then having to figure out what your

future looks like. I mean, it still

happens to many many people around the

world right now, but um I thought it was

really interesting that my character

came from that and her entire identity

was erased, taken from her. She had no

idea. She was 12, so she had no idea

what it meant to have that identity. And

I met so many people actually when I

went to the Cayman um who don't know

anything about their family tree beyond

like five generations or they know where

their family may have come from from Sri

Lanka or from India or you know um any

other nation

>> but have no idea what like what it was

where from what village like what was

your culture um and that ambiguity in in

a history of a human being erases a part

of you. It it it denies you of of

knowing the depth of your culture or

where you come from or your roots. And

um I thought that was really really

interesting for my character to play and

and then reclaim herself um through the

journey of the movie. Well, it's a

fascinating part of human history and

it's taken place all over the world. And

>> for a lot of cultures, they they don't

have an understanding of exactly what

happened before they were colonized.

>> Yeah.

>> Like one one of the great examples is

Mexico. I went in a long deep dive on

Mexico recently over the last few months

because I've had a bunch of people who

are uh historians who came on the

podcast who were just researching these

ancient Inca and Mayan sites and talking

to them about it. And then I went into

it and it's like

>> there was over a hundred different

languages that are just lost forever in

that whole what is now called Mexico.

And that's the reason why everybody over

there speaks Spanish and is Catholic.

Like it's not because that was their

language and that was their religion.

They were all conquered.

>> Absolutely. I mean

>> by like 600 guys.

That's what's nuts.

>> Yeah.

>> 600 guys in the 1500s came over took

over you know what was the Aztec Empire

with help of the people that they were

in conflict with and changed the course

of the entire country. It's it's

>> so many generations

>> for forever. Like to this day, people in

Mexico think they speak Spanish and they

have a Catholic religion. Well, that's

all brought over from Spain. Like the

entire country,

>> they had wild names, too. Like cacao,

thunder, sky, god, and all these

different like almost like Native

American type names.

>> Wow.

>> They looked like Native Americans. And

but if you think about it, doesn't that

make sense?

>> That makes so much sense. They probably

like shared land and crops and like

>> well there was no real

>> there were no borders at that time.

>> No. Back then I mean what what were

countries in the 1500s in in North

America? Like what was we don't even

know like what was North America?

>> I mean I think about how young America

is technically

>> super young.

>> Like how many years? 300 years 400

years.

>> Yeah. Less less than 300 years.

>> Yeah. And and like you were talking

about history in in India, she has been

invaded over thousands and thousands and

thousands of years only invaded. We've

never invaded anybody else. She's not

had the time. India's like just gave me

a break.

>> Um yeah, the Portuguese, the British, um

the Moguls like from back in time. And

uh the history of India, I mean I'm not

a historian and I don't claim to be, but

I find it really fascinating. I love

culture and especially the culture of

India like you will see my grandmother

was Catholic because she comes she was

raised in a part of India which was

colonized and a lot of people with

Kerala a lot of people were converted

into Catholicism and she grew up

Catholic and you know she she followed

it for a really long time in her life.

India is like hyper diverse because of

how many um people have kind of made it

her roots. So when you go to India, the

amount of diversity you will see, the

kind of the range of people that you

will meet uh is impossible to fathom.

Like an Indian face does not look like a

particular person

>> or the amount of cultures, the languages

we have written and spoken languages

which are almost like 20some or in their

30s.

>> Um absolutely different alphabet,

absolutely different sound. I can't if I

go to another state, I won't be able to

understand what people are saying. Wow.

>> It's amazing.

>> W how many different languages are

spoken there?

>> About 28 to 30. Um but there are

dialects in their hundreds.

>> Oh wow.

>> Don't even get into the dialects. I just

speak English and Hindi. Understand a

little bit of Punjabi and Marathi. But

um it's it's really amazing.

>> No. But

>> have you ever been by the way?

>> No, I haven't.

>> A Joe, you have to. You would you would

really like you're the kind of guy who

likes a deep dive.

>> Yeah. You would really lose yourself I

think in go just to see if for many

things but just to see that one immense

temple that was carved entirely out of

stone

>> oh yeah

>> is one of the great mysteries of

archaeology

>> but there are there are quite a few if

you go especially south of India and the

caves if you go inside the Anderman and

Nikkobar like the caves you'll see from

thousands and tens and thousands of

years ago um illustrations that that

you're like, how how did this happen?

How could this temple have been chiseled

or how could you know these stones have

been moved at that time? It's just it

makes you it made me very very curious

about like what kind of tools did we

have back then?

>> Well, there's a lot of holes in human

history.

>> Yeah, for sure.

>> You know, Graham Hancock has a great

quote. He says that we are uh a species

with amnesia.

>> And I think that's accurate. And I I

think when you find some of the great

archaeological wonders where where

people just have decided, oh, they built

it this way and then just let it go and

then other people start looking at it

and go, wait a minute, how how did they

do this? Like when did they do this?

Like what's the what's the historical

record of this? Because this is kind of

nuts. This seems to indicate like a very

advanced sophisticated society.

>> Yeah. a very advanced civilization like

one of the oldest civilizations in the

world along with the Mayans is the Indis

Valley civilization which is the north

of India.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and I just remember studying about in

school and that's my my my maximum

understanding of that civilization but

also like having visited the Indis River

I guess. But um I remember like the the

artifacts that were found and um like if

you do a a deep dive into how that

civilization existed and then how it was

erased and you know it makes you

question like it's there had to be some

seriously advanced like scientific

um understanding that was eventually

lost as you know as human evolution

happened where we lose a civilization

and then comes back again. But it just

makes you wonder about early humans and

how fascinatingly advanced we would have

had to be to do all of that.

>> 100%. Yeah.

>> Without the technology and stuff that we

have. I mean,

>> I think they had technology. I think

they had different technology.

>> I think so, too.

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This one particular temple that I'm

talking about, Jamie, pull pull. Do do

you know the temple I'm talking about?

The one insanely massive one that's

built into the side of a mountain.

>> Khisa temple.

>> This is it. This is crazy.

>> This is what I meant.

>> Because the precision invol. First of

all, there's no

like understanding of where the stone

went. Like they moved who knows how

many.

>> How did you take out all of those tons

of rocks?

>> Yes.

>> Out of so insane. The precision is

spectacular.

It's so nuts when you see like videos of

people going through it. Immense.

>> Absolutely immense and incredibly

precise

>> and and just carved out of a solid piece

of stone.

>> The whole thing is carved out of the

mountain.

>> Think about how old that is. Like this

is all BC before Christ. Like thousands

and thousands of years.

>> Yeah.

>> BC.

and the history of India like hence the

diversity you see it's it's it's a it's

one of the oldest civilizations in the

world and then like how do you explain

that look at that image

>> so it says it's 12 what does it say how

old did it say it was

>> 1200

how do they know that

>> I can't be right

>> the 1200 years old see there's a lot of

just estimates based on what was the

civilization at the time and there's no

like this is the the thing with Peru

like Sakai Huan and a lot of these

places when they attributed the Incas.

But you see like traditional Inca

structures on top of these immense

stones that are a hundred tons. They're

carved in these weird jigsaw patterns is

to absorb the energy if there's an

earthquake.

>> Wow.

>> Like it's weird And it's like okay

well who did that? So like oh the Incas

did it. Like how how' they do that? Cuz

all their other structures are smaller

stones stacked on top of each other in a

way like you could see a person carrying

them and cutting them. Makes sense. But

there's a lot of stuff like that temple

like explain to me what you used.

>> There's no explanation

>> like how like metal. You just use metal

and carve that out like that

>> and like just a chisel and human

>> and if you up once it's over

because you're not putting things on top

of things like oh this block sucks.

Let's get a new block. No, you're

carving.

>> You change the design if there's a

up. Like you know what I mean? If you're

trying to build

>> like a human form and you chisel off the

nose,

>> do you turn it into something else? I

don't know. Probably. Otherwise, because

it's just one piece. And you're right,

you're not adding

>> Yeah.

>> anything to it. Well, in Egypt there's

indications that they abandoned certain

pieces because they cracked

>> because when you're dealing with uh you

know granite and there's certain uh puh

specifically there's a gigantic obelisk

that they were carving out that I mean I

think it was like 1,300 tons like

something bananas like okay how are you

going to move this thing but

they got to a certain point where

there's a crack in it and so they had to

abandon it and so it's still there. has

still I think that's in it might be in

Aswan. I I'm not sure where it is. But

>> do you know like you know the theories

around the um Egyptian pyramids

obviously like how were those blocks

carried up?

>> There's no valid theory. Zero

>> was it in that shape and so precisely

geometrically you know

>> well it's even more complicated now

because there was an Italian scientist

that we had on recently called Filipo

Bondi.

>> Am I saying it right? Beyond. He's

amazing accent. This guy is

incredible. Um, but he's using what is

it? Radio Doppler tomography.

>> So, it's it's a type of satellite

imagery that uses some technology to get

an a a vision of what's under the

ground.

And they've used this successfully to

show known um caverns in the ground and

known pyramids. And they even used it in

Italy to show that they can look through

a 1.2 km mountain and see underneath it

this particle collider and have an exact

dimension of the particle collider and

see what the the outlet. So they used

this on the pyramids and they found

these immense structures under the

pyramids that go over a kilometer into

the ground with massive these these huge

20 d 20 meter diameter columns that have

these huge circular coils wrapped around

them. No one knows what the hell they're

looking at, but they're in very precise

positions. They've done over 200 scans

of these things. They don't know what

they are. They don't know what's the

purpose of all this, who made this. So,

if this turns out to be accurate, and

they're very confident that they're that

it's accurate, and they're starting to

look into it deeper, and they're trying

to figure out how to get down in there

and and explore with drones or or

something, then the whole thing gets

thrown into question because it's

preposterous enough that you have

someone who's a able to cut and place

2,300,000

stones that's perfectly aligned, a true

north, south, east, and west. Some of

them weigh as much as 80 tons.

>> Tons that come from 500 miles away

through the mountains. No roads. Like,

how'd you do it? That's crazy.

>> That's crazy in itself.

>> But if there's structures underneath

that that go a kilometer into the ground

and like there's a a giant like huge

square at the bottom. They don't know

what it is, but these are structures.

These are not like something that is

just a naturally occurring stone.

>> Yeah, it was man-made. And

>> show her an image of it. It's

kooky.

>> So, what is that? Like how

>> these are these columns. This is like

what the images are showing you and the

three-dimensional

replication of what they think is that's

what they think it looks like underneath

there. They have no idea what these

things are.

>> What

>> there's also um is that Hara that has

that underground um labyrinth? They've

they've also found these this Herodotus

wrote about these labyrinths. There's a

great channel on YouTube called

Uncharted X by this guy Ben Van Kirkwick

who's been on the podcast before. He's

great. And um they've used radio uh well

they used uh ground penetrating radar in

that location. They found that these

immense labyrinths are real. They're

there. They're huge. Herod said there

and it's greater than Giza and it's

underground.

And in the center of one of these

atriums, there is a 40meter metallic

object that's shaped like a tic tac.

It's in the center of this. Yes. So

there's a bunch of that they don't

they can't explain down there where

you're like, "Okay, what is this?" They

also know that a lot of these

civilizations like later versions of it

took from some of the older sites and

started building new things or built on

top of them like very disrespectfully

but nobody had an idea of like the

importance of history back then. You're

just trying to stay alive and so they

found all these stones. let's use these

stones and

>> oh my gosh totally in India like when we

were colonized you hear stories of you

know the British um officers telling

like little kids that hey I'll give you

two pounds go and get the gold statue

from this temple or whatever and you

don't have comprehension of what the

value of historical things were that

there was so much that was taken from

India in terms of wealth and um history

and historical artifacts and the kohhin

diamond which is still on the queen's uh

crown which came from India um and like

so many things which

>> the queen of England

>> her she has a diamond on her crown that

she stole from

>> pull it up kohhinur diamond k o h i n o

>> give it back

>> yeah we've been asking for it for a

minute

we have um it's

>> well the whole history of England and

India is nuts too diamond whoa how big

is that sucker

>> the H.

>> How big is that thing?

>> How big would that be?

>> 100 carats.

>> Whoa.

>> What is that worth? What's 100? Well,

besides the historical

value of it, which is probably

priceless. What is a 105 carats worth?

That's nuts.

>> Imagine walking around with a rock like

that on your hand.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, that's what I'm saying. The

royalty in India had so much jewelry um

and wealth and stuff that was pillaged

and just taken.

>> Well, the history of India is

fascinating like in the the Vadic texts

and the the the

descriptions of vimmanas. Have you ever

read any of that stuff?

>> Yeah, the Vedas. Not not extensively,

but clearly you have.

>> The Vimmanas are It's like what are you

talking about? You're talking about

flying crafts.

>> Yeah.

>> Like what do you

>> That's the thing. you go if you do a

deep dive into the mythology of India

and the stories that come from there the

kind of technology that has been

mentioned in these ancient texts like

the vimman as you're saying you have

flying objects you have um spears with

some sort of energy you have bows and

arrows with some sort of energy that

travels beyond time and light um and

there's so much of all of this stuff

referenced back then which maybe humans

thought was magic but was some form of

ancient technology like who's to say but

we do definitely believe um in Indian

mythology if you go back into Hinduism

and and the incredible stories that

exist like I love to think about where

the origin like where it must have come

from.

>> Yeah.

>> Um but there's so many fascinating

fascinating stories from then.

>> Yeah. I I have an opinion that most

people that were writing things down

back then were trying to document a

truth.

>> Yeah, for sure.

>> I don't think they were trying to make

up stories.

>> No, I think it was definitely their

truth. But from our perspective now, we

have to be like, how do you break down

the truth of, you know, that there was

this light that arrived from miles and

miles away and it felt like, I don't

know, was it a bomb? Like, what was it

of what was it of that time? Right.

>> So, it's cool to kind of try and

interpret that. I mean, I I believe in

the mysticism and the magic of ancient

humans and, you know, the beginning of

time. There's no way to explain

what and how that was. you know, we have

the information we do from religious

texts and historians of the past, but um

it's just really fascinating to think

about how resilient and human beings

have been and how evolutions have had

the same problems over time, but we kind

of just navigate it through different

worlds, you know?

>> I think Yeah, I think it's hard for us

to grasp timelines and then

>> impossible. Think about like how short a

human lifespan used to be, right,

>> to where it is now. How the basic our

stories have to come from like people

telling people's stories or documenting

them. Right.

>> Right. Right. And those stories like

when you're talking about certain

passages in the Bible or certain

passages in any religious text, a lot of

those were stories that were just handed

down for generations and generations

before anybody wrote anything.

>> Yeah. So, it's like what were they

trying to remember? Like when they're

talking about flying vimmanas, like what

were they talking about? Like what did

they experience? And how long ago was

it? Cuz I don't think we have a real

understanding of how long ago it is.

>> I mean, 17,000 BC is where or around

that time. That many years ago is what

they say. But again, who knows? Well,

that makes sense if you take into

account the

>> 20,000 BC.

>> There's a guy named Randall Carlson

who's been on my podcast a few times,

and he's a really fascinating guy, and

he's an expert in asteroid collisions

with Earth.

>> Wow.

>> He's an expert in all the different

times that Earth has been slammed by

comets and meteors. And And

>> is that how the dinosaurs were? So, it

did it was an asteroid.

>> Yeah, they believe so. It was in the

Yucatan, that one. That's the 65 million

years ago one. But there's other ones

that are that are before that.

>> Before that.

>> Yeah. And then there's other ones that

are after that. And one of the more

interesting ones is called the younger

dus impact theory. And that one's from

about 11,800 years ago. And then again,

they think somewhere in the 10,000 years

that happen. So there's a comet storm

that we pass by. I think it's every June

and November. I forget what those the

time is. But this is like also aligns

with Do you know about the Tongusa

event? Have you ever heard of that?

>> No. In the early 1900s, um, a meteor

exploded in the sky above Russia and

devastated like a million acres of land.

And it was during the same time period.

And they realized like there's this

comet storm that we pass through. Like

when you see meteor showers in the sky,

it's because we're passing through these

areas of our solar system that have

these comets. This is the Tonguska

event. So it just and to this day that

area has no trees on it.

>> Whoa.

>> Yeah. So it just flattened everything

and it didn't even impact the ground. It

blew up in the sky above it.

And this was not even a big one. So

>> So how does like nothing grow again?

Like what?

>> I know. That's a good question.

>> What is that asteroid made of that you

can like Earth has been able to come

back from so much?

>> Yeah, it's a good question. It's just

maybe it's just not enough time. I don't

know. I mean, 117 years maybe. Some

maybe eventually

>> means like a millennia,

>> but it probably just blew the roots off

of everything. It blew everything into

smitherines and it it probably had some

kind of chemical effect too because it's

a physical object. I don't know what it

was made out of,

>> but you know, some of them are made out

of iron. Some of them are made out of

nickel like that big one that they saw

three eye atlas that passed through.

That was a weird one because they're

like this is a nickel alloy

>> that is as big as the size of Manhattan.

The only way we have it on Earth is in

industrial manufacturing of an alloy.

But this thing in another planet

somewhere else millions and millions and

millions of years ago was formed under

whatever weird circumstances and

conditions their planet has. But you I

mean I I want to know your thoughts on

this, but you definitely don't think

we're like the only species existing in

the universe, right?

>> I don't think that's possible.

>> It's it's human arrogance if we think we

do.

>> Yeah, that seems silly.

>> Yeah,

>> it doesn't make sense. There's just too

many planets. It's it's a it's a silly

thing to think. And they found evidence

of life on Mars. So they found evidence

of some sort of bacterial life on Mars,

like the traces of bacterial life.

>> Um and that's, you know, right there.

That's what I'm saying. Maybe it's just

in within our Milky Way that we I mean,

we haven't even been able to travel

outside of that yet, you know, to get

information, but it has there has to be

other species um that exist and other

like intelligence and technology.

>> Do you know the actor Terrence Howard?

>> I mean, I know of him.

>> Fascinating guy. Like a little kooky,

but super smart. Like super smart. He's

got some w wild wild ideas. One of his

ideas I was like, wait, what? He thinks

that life occurs when planets get a

certain distance from their sun and then

over time they get too far out and then

life doesn't exist on those planets

anymore. But when they're in this

Goldilock zone like Earth is for a long

period of time in relative to our life,

life exists and then intelligent life

emerges and figures out, hey, we got to

get out of here eventually because this

is not going to sustain us and then it

propagates the world or the universe

rather. And he thinks that there's a

thing that happens and he calls it

peopleing.

He thinks that when a a planet gets far

further enough from the sun that it

eventually peoples because it eventually

reaches the right conditions where life

emerges and evolution takes place and

natural selection and random mutation.

All these things converge and eventually

you get an intelligent creature that

knows how to manipulate its environment.

Is there any proof of

>> planets like moving away from their sun?

>> Well, they all do slowly. Very slowly.

>> Like so. Even our even our solar system,

we're all like slowly.

>> Yeah. And the also the sun is eventually

going to burn out and explode and then

we're But that's a long time

from now. But the eventually

>> enough to be worried about.

>> Nothing's permanent. Like suns are not

and we we're lucky. We have a slow burn

son. So, we have a relatively small sun

and it's uh it there's a lot of weird

>> speculation that it's part of a binary

solar system, too. That there might have

been another version of our sun that

burned out that's like way out there,

like way out in space, like way past

Pluto, way out there.

>> I'd buy that.

>> It's possible. I mean, there's there's a

lot of wacky theories as to why there

seems to be some large object that's

outside of our vision

>> that's way way past Pluto. So, there's a

thing called the Kyper Belt that's

outside of Pluto, and that's what part

of what Pluto is, which is why they

decide it's not really a planet anymore.

But, they think there's something else

out there that's a large they call it

Planet X. They think there there's it's

a lot of like weird speculation whether

or not it's real, but they think there

might be a large body larger than Earth,

large like Jupiter size or something

like way out there and it might be a

sun. It might be a burnt out

>> like a burnt out sun that was

>> crazy.

>> Insane.

>> Well, Earth alone like Earth, the reason

why we have the moon supposedly is

because Earth was hit by another planet.

There's Earth.

>> So, was the moon part of the Earth? the

the moon was like a big chunk of that

collision that burst off and then became

the moon. So there's earth one and

>> does that happen with all the planets

like because all the planets that have

their own moons are explosions maybe.

>> That's a question good question. I mean

maybe some of them are enormous

asteroids that got caught in the gravity

and maybe of them. Maybe it's volcanic

activity. I don't know. I think a lot of

it's asteroid impacts too. They knock

off giant chunks and those chunks start

orbiting that planet.

>> So, does that mean that all of those

planets do have like a gravitational

pole as well?

>> Oh, yeah. They all Yeah, they whatever.

>> How strong would that gravitational pull

be?

>> Oh, it depends on the mass of the

planet.

>> Like Jupiter, for example.

>> Jupiter is what protects us. The reason

why we don't get hit a lot is because

Jupiter's so big. So Jupiter has so much

mass and so much gravity that it's like

our big brother that like protects us.

>> Oh, thanks Jupiter.

>> For real.

>> Yeah. No, that's great.

>> And uh they obser they actually observed

an impact on Jupiter. I want to say it

was in the 1980s where an enormous

asteroid slammed into Jupiter and

created a Earthsized explosion. An

explosion

>> separated from

>> No, you it just got absorbed it. Jupiter

just absorbed it. But they watched it in

real time

>> and it was a way bigger explosion than

they thought it was going to be. They're

like, "Yo." So then they have to like

recalculate like, "Oh,

>> how big was that thing?" And it made a a

literal impact as large as the Earth.

>> Oh my god. Yeah.

>> I have to see that video.

>> Well, that's the the solar system is

just a shooting gallery. Which

brings us back which brings us back to

this younger d impact theory which is

one of the predominant theories as to

why

>> ancient super advanced civilizations

completely disappeared and there's no

evidence of them and there's a lot of

physical evidence when they do core

samples of the earth they find there's a

lot of aridium which is very common in

space but very rare on earth which

indicates some sort of an impact and

then they also find micro diamonds these

nuclear diamonds they it's I think they

call it trin ite and they they first

observed this when they did the Trinity

explosion. So the nuclear explosion

created these micro diamonds on the

ground just a massive impact and

explosion heat and energy.

>> Well, they find those littered all

throughout the world in this same core

sample timeline of like 11,800 years. So

they think we were just bombarded.

So a lot of these things like these

temples in India perhaps the pyramids

some structures that were stone probably

just survived.

>> No for sure there's so much that has

survived I think from

>> like a timeline we can't even explain. I

mean in India we we see so much of it.

So many of our texts the Vedas are you

know the oldest texts in the world. Um,

and to be able to like read stories

which now maybe we imagine are stories

but are probably reality of a

civilization gone by.

>> Yes.

>> Is just crazy to think about.

>> I think more likely than not and I think

more and more over time people are

opening up opening up to this

possibility. Like they recently just

found written language that is 28,000

years old and that they thought that

human written language was created about

6,000 years ago and they found evidence

of read about this.

>> So they're they're like okay

>> that's a giant difference. But how can

we also know what happened in so many

parts of the earth when anyway the earth

was moving right like the continents

what it looks like right now is not

>> what it probably looked like 20,000

years ago like it's been slowly moving I

feel like how are we supposed to know

like someone who writes a book say in

Mexico like what happened then in

Australia or what happened what was the

history in like India you know what I

mean

>> right especially 15, you know, 1500s,

1600s when they were writing about stuff

back then, they were just making

up.

>> So the that we read,

>> human may have used these mysterious

symbols to encode information tens of

thousands of years before the first

writing systems, 40,000y old artifacts.

>> Yeah. So, it's some kind of way of

documenting things,

>> of communicating,

>> you know, if if these people like Graham

Hancock and Randle Carlson are correct,

there was some sort of a very very

advanced civilization pre1,800

years ago. And this also coincides with

the end of the ice age. It coincides

with uh all of the ice caps over North

America disappearing. Like North America

was covered like 3/4 of North America

was covered like a mile high sheet of

ice

>> went away like that. That's why the

Great Lakes exist.

>> The Great Lakes are just that ice melted

and then whatever was left just ran

through the country and you can see the

physical evidence of it when they show

satellite images. It looks like enormous

amounts of water just destroyed the

landscape and and completely carved it

and changed it.

>> What do you think happened with and I I

wonder if you have because you have so

much extensive knowledge with the

amazing guests that you have on the

show. How did we go from Neandrithal or

early man to this technologydriven like

really smart intelligent like what

happened

in in history in the evolution of human

beings that we were able to make that

switch so quick?

>> It's a real good question. There's a lot

of you know

>> I mean I I've heard theories but I want

to know yours. Um, if I didn't worry at

all about being ridiculous, and I don't

uh I would

>> You don't

That was no need for that precursor.

>> But if I didn't worry about that, I

would say something helped us. I I think

>> that's what I think.

>> Yeah. I don't think I don't think it

makes sense that that didn't take place.

>> Yeah. It's crazy to think about how that

happened and how quickly it happened.

>> Well, yeah. There's a there's a lot of

like weird stuff with us. Also, all

those other primates are still around

except the early man ones. You know,

that's what's weird. It's like, why

aren't, you know, how come chimpanzees

are kind of the same? How come all these

other primates are kind of the same and

yet we need clothes to stay?

>> They're like a mammoth to an elephant.

You know what I mean?

>> Yeah.

>> Like still similar.

>> Yeah, it makes sense.

>> Why? How do we have like planes? And why

do we like things? And how could we make

cups and

>> Yeah. Why do we change our environment

that way? Why do we have this

>> insatiable desire to innovate?

>> Insatiable. Like we that's the number

one thing that we changing.

>> Constantly making new and better things.

Never satisfied with anything new.

Everything has to be better. It doesn't

matter how good your car is. What's the

next year's model going to be?

>> What matter what your phone does? I want

better pictures, Like no matter

what always like we we want something to

be better all the time. And it's like

>> we one up what we had. What is that? I

think it's built into us and I think

that is a part of this process of

becoming a human being and I think it's

leading us to develop AI. That's what I

really think. But I I think we most

likely something intervened. Now there's

a lot of people that think the rational

people think that it was the invention

of fire and the cooking of food that

gave us better access to nutrition and

protein and then innovating in order to

hunt allowed the brain. But it was such

an accelerated period of time. It went

like so quickly.

>> The the human brain size doubled over a

period of 2 million years, which is the

greatest mystery in it in the entire

fossil record. Yeah.

>> Like what made that happen?

>> We don't know. But

in religious texts, ancient religious

texts, there's many stories of human

beings breeding with something from

somewhere else. That's a part of

>> alien intervention.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> Right. without trying to sound

ridiculous,

>> hyper intelligent life form. But if you

think about it, if

>> I was watching a show about that and I

was like, that makes sense.

>> What was the show you were watching? Do

you remember?

>> Ancient aliens.

>> That show's the best.

>> It's so silly.

>> It's amazing.

>> There's a

>> But I was like 2:00 in the morning. I'm

like, "Oh."

>> My friend Action Bronson, he used to do

a show. He doesn't do that show anymore,

does he? They would get super baked and

watch Ancient Aliens and be like, "Bro,

>> listen. Ancient Aliens is is rad. I love

that show." Two in the morning.

>> Oh, it's fun. It's very fun. I think

they're right about some of those

things. I think there's something to it.

I mean, that is one of the the oldest uh

biblical texts that wasn't included in

the cannon that is the Bible is the book

of Enoch. And uh I had Anna Paulina Luna

on the podcast and she was she brought

that up and I was like she was like you

really should read that. So I read it

and you start reading you're like wait

what the hell are they talking about?

The watchers came down from the sky to

mate with humans and created the

Nephilim, a race of giants that

destroyed the earth. You're like what

are you talking about? Like what is

this? This is in the Bible and it would

have been in the Bible if it not for a

few rabbis that decided this doesn't

jive with the Torah. And so they say we

got to get that out of there. And that's

why it's not taught along with the book

of Ezekiel and all these other things

that are in the Old Testament.

>> Wow. versus like in in Hindu mythology

also you know we read about a time where

God human and demon existed at the same

time and procreated and like created

different realms and you know life and

stories and the and the you know so it's

like when you think about stories like

that stories beliefs

>> you know from around the world that have

similar sort of um color Yeah,

>> it's almost like trying to connect the

dots of what must have happened at that

time, you know, all around the world was

probably the same thing,

>> you know, some sort of incredible

technology.

>> Yeah. And some and a lot of them have

these stories of something of some kind

of higher nature, higher power, higher

technology intervening in the lives of

human beings and even manipulating the

the process.

>> Yeah. But isn't that what I think was

referred to as the gods? And like if you

think about the Roman um you know or

Egyptian like gods. I'm not one to speak

about culture, but I I can't even say

about ours, but that power that we read

about, you know, that like if you if you

go into it, I'm I'm a big believer. So,

I think that, you know, was that like a

real exper experience that happened to a

human being at that time?

>> A real experience with someone that had

a limited vocabulary, a limited amount

of knowledge, and a limited ability to

write things down. And so they probably

sto told these stories from whatever

words they could use to describe what

this was. Like if you were living 30,000

years ago, 40,000 years ago, and a UFO

landed, a giant metallic disc landed,

and little tiny creatures came out and

talked to you telepathically.

>> You don't have a written language. You

don't your your culture is hunter

gatherers. Like, how do you tell that

story?

>> How do you tell that story? And what are

the people that you told that story to

going to tell their children and their

grandchildren for many many many many

generations before anybody figures out

how to write things down?

>> Totally. But another perspective on this

which people have is is that our

pragmatic

practical 2026 human trying to explain

something that was magical and did exist

at a time that we we we don't have an

explanation for.

>> Yeah.

>> You know what I mean? For sure.

>> Like there's the other side of that with

people that, you know, you hear so many

stories of visitations from the gods

back then, you know, to humans and the

divinity of at least in my country for

sure um of different avars of gods

coming down to earth to save humankind

and to help in human salvation and to

help them um against evil. So when you

hear of those stories like the practical

side of me like are those human stories

and who is that

power that they were seeing at that time

and then there's a side of you which is

like there's so much we can't explain

and sometimes have to like leave it to

inexplicable

magic of the universe like I'm someone

who loves science but I also am a

believer of that it just can't explain

everything

>> well even science science itself like

hardcore materialist science.

>> Totally.

>> If you are trying to explain the big

bang, good luck. Good

luck making sense out of something

smaller than the head of a pin that

became everything that's in the

universe.

>> Okay.

>> Like explain that to me.

>> Help me out.

>> Totally. I mean, it's all theoretical

and speculative and it's that no one

really knows. And then there's this

concept of what took place before the

big bang. And then there's Sir Roger

Penrose's version of it which is there's

been many versions of the big bang

expansion then contraction and that it's

not the beginning that it's a part of an

endless cycle.

>> That's what I've I mean I've heard from

in India as well the believer belief

that that was not kind of the beginning.

There's been many beginnings and many

ends that

>> have no idea of.

>> That makes more sense to me. It makes

more sense because I think the problem

with a beginning we like well what was

here originally we always want to think

of things in terms of our own biological

limitations we have a birth and we have

a death so we think that the universe

probably

>> everything has a limitation

>> but why it's there so maybe

>> like time what is time's limitation it's

existed from who knows when

>> right it's constant it's never not been

here

>> so the idea that there was nothing

before the universe well that doesn't

even make sense

>> it's funny when I was doing research

search for the bluff, this movie. Um, I

went to the Cayman Islands for a couple

of days to get an understanding of the

history of the islands and the Caribbean

is so interesting, especially Cayman

because it's in the it's in the middle

of these trading routes between

Honduras, Cuba, Mexico. So ships when

trading started is when the Cayman was

discovered, the islands were discovered.

So when I went down there, I went to the

museum and they said, "Yeah, it was like

the 1700s or 1800s when the first

settlers came and um you know it started

with families or or like people trying

to run away or pirates or you know just

people making pit stops before going to

another another country and they said

that that was the first time that there

was any history of the island and I was

like how's that possible that only when

like settlers

found that and now I mean Cayman

Islands, Cayman Islands,

>> right?

>> But how like if you think about there's

so many places in the world where people

and humans have existed way before we

even have an understanding of or are

willing to acknowledge. You know, in

many

>> cultures it's different,

>> but um

>> well, we just lost the history of it.

That's possible, too.

>> That's what my argument was. I was like,

it's, you know, like we have to have

lost the history of what happened

>> prior. There's an entire culture from

South America that we don't know who

they were. Theme they we have some giant

carved heads

>> and we're like, "Oh,

who did that?"

>> They think it's like they thousands and

thousands of years old. They look

African. It's very strange.

>> Have you se Have you seen heads? Oh,

here we look like this.

>> That's an ech head.

>> Like, how nuts is that? Like that's a

replica of these enormous heads that are

in um I think is it Peru?

>> Luke Caverns who's uh been on the

podcast. He's a really fascinating guy

who does a lot of uh research down

there.

>> He uh he's been there and documented and

he's like they don't know who these

people were. They don't know what their

language was. They don't even know what

they look like except for these images

and they don't even know if these images

are supposed to be of them like these

statues. They just found See if you can

find some of these heads so you can see

like the the um scale of them. So they

left these enormous stone heads. They

attributed to this one civilization that

they call themes. They just made a name

up,

>> but they don't know who the hell these

people were. And look at their faces.

>> Like that's crazy.

>> That's huge.

>> Yeah.

>> And do you know how old these might be?

They don't really know, but I think that

How many thousands of years old do they

think they are, Jamie?

>> Crazy stuff.

>> Yeah.

>> So, at least 900 BC,

>> but you know what does that mean?

>> Yeah,

>> that's a guess. That's a guess cuz they

don't know anything. A long time ago.

Well, even the Aztecs, do you know the

Aztecs didn't build those temples?

>> They found them.

The Aztecs found that the Aztec temples.

>> They found them from an unknown previous

civilization.

>> Oh my god.

>> Yeah. They call those temples the place

where the gods were born.

>> Yeah.

>> That's what they called them. And they

just kind of like cleaned it up.

>> Which kind of makes sense cuz you think

of like how barbaric the Aztecs were.

Like they did some horrific Like

we were talking about one of the the

temples. I think it was Tino Chitlan

when they consecrated it. um they killed

between 20 and 80,000 people. They

sacrificed them in a period of four

days. And so this is like right when the

Spanish were first visiting Mexico,

thinking about taking over. And this

this guy Diaz, this Spanish chronicler

said it was the craziest thing.

They killed 80,000 people, he said, over

a period of 4 days. Just cut their

hearts out and threw their bodies down

the stairs.

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are the people that

>> Yeah. You think about like how countries

were like conquests happen and like you

know we're living in the history of so

many people's blood and and sacrifices.

and violence.

>> So much violence.

>> Unfathomable amount of violence.

>> So capable of that kind of vi like of

violence having done a really violent

movie right now

>> because chimps cuz we're mostly chimp

>> and I think if you pay attention to

chimps like have you ever seen behavior

>> chimp nation on Netflix?

>> No, I haven't.

>> It's fantastic.

It's just it's spectacular because it is

a rare very rare situation where this

one particular group of chimpanzees they

were embedded with these scientists for

20 years. So the scientists had very

specific rules. Don't get within 20

yards of them. Don't make eye contact

with them. Don't have any food with you,

okay?

>> And don't don't interfere. And they're

they're totally accustomed to having

people around them. So they behave

totally naturally. And so they wage war.

They have all these like crazy social

dynamics. like they would in the wild

because they're used to these humans.

>> Exactly. And when you watch it, you're

like, "Oh my god, they are a lot like

us. They're a lot like us." Just like

very primitive. No language, but but

ultraviolent.

Ultra chimps are ultra violent. I mean,

that one of their favorite foods, this

guy was telling me, was monkeys. They

just love eating monkeys. He goes, "We

saw them kill so many monkeys, we

couldn't even document it."

>> He goes, "Cuz if it would just be like

every day was like a monkey hunt. They

would tear these monkeys apart and eat

them alive.

>> It's a horrific That's That's our

ancestors. So, what we are is a

combination like if if you can

>> Well, that explains it.

>> Yeah, it explains it. We're a

combination of some higher intelligence

that interbred with a savage primate

that's curious and created this weird

hybrid, this weird thing.

>> Listen, that's what ancient aliens told

me. Yeah.

>> And I believe it.

>> I think they're right. They're right

about that. Have you ever seen Chariots

of the Gods?

>> No.

>> That's the original one. Eric von

Danakin. That was in like the 1970s. It

was a a movie, like a feature movie.

>> I I mean, I remember the movie, but I

don't remember having

>> Yeah. I had lunch with him once and got

a chance to question him about stuff.

He's a like a true believer.

>> Yeah. Like a true believer.

>> What What are his beliefs?

>> Well, he believes that everything is

from aliens. That aliens came down and

aliens taught people how to do things

and aliens built all these things. And

I'm more in line of they intervened and

created

what we think of now as humans and then

humans figured out a different path of

technology than we're on today. That we

are on the path of internal combustion

engines, electronics, electricity and

they were probably on some different

path of technology but as far down the

path if not more. And I think they

probably had figured out some things

that we have yet to figure out,

including like the trans

the the the the transferring and the

moving and shipping of enormous stone

blocks without heavy machinery. Like

>> we don't know what they were doing.

>> Yeah. What how do they cut them? Like

what do they what do they what if those

structures that Filippo Beyond describes

under if that's real like what was the

pyramid then was it a machine?

>> Yeah. How did they do like first they

created the structure like imagine the

foundation and the design that went into

it?

>> A half a mile deep into the earth.

>> Crazy.

>> Like what is that? What are you doing?

That's what I'm saying. I I don't know

if I like I just know that we can't

explain that quick evolution of humans

from Neanderthal to

>> We can't and all

>> and highly intelligent.

>> Yes, we can't.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, there's just a lot of people

saying, "Well, we haven't filled in the

gaps yet."

>> Yeah.

>> We don't really know. But the the

acceleration of the evolution is so

spectacular. Like vegans are hilarious.

They attribute it to people eating

tubers. I had a conversation with a guy.

He's like, "We're think it's probably

tubers." Like what roots? You mean like

bears eat? Shut the up. That is the

dumbest explanation. That didn't even

make any sense.

>> I'm vegan.

>> Are you really?

>> No, I'm joking.

>> Congratulations.

>> No, I'm not.

>> There's no way you could be.

>> No, I just had barbecue.

>> You already fall asleep

>> for breakfast. I had brisket. I was

like, I'm here in Austin for 2 hours.

>> Yeah, you have to have barbecue if you

come here.

>> Yeah.

>> Um I just think that whatever happened,

we don't know. And um I would not rule

out intervention and I wouldn't think

that an intelligent species from

somewhere else if they did find these

very curious primates that may already

be working with sticks and rocks and

stuff like that that they wouldn't

intervene because we do it. We're doing

it right now. We're doing it right now

with

>> human nature to do it. If we went to a

planet somewhere and we found some

frogs or some weird animals, but

nothing big, we might drop a deer off in

there and see what happens. You know, we

bring some birds in. Look,

>> humans definitely would. We would

intervene.

>> They're doing genetic manipulation of

animals right now to bring back extinct

life.

>> That's how they brought back the the the

uh direwolf. This company called

Colossal Colossal Bowars. They I saw it.

I touched it. I went to Yes. I went to

the place where they're holding these

wolves and I got to me and my daughter

got to cuddle with a baby direwolf. They

had two semi adults at the time. I think

they were like eight or nine months old.

>> They've been extinct since when?

>> 10,000 years.

>> Stop it.

>> Yeah. Some somewhere in the range of

that. I mean,

>> oh my god.

>> Yeah. When did dire wolves go extinct? I

think they are part of the megapona that

went extinct during the impact because

65% of all megapa on uh on earth and

particularly in North America went

extinct around the same time. Woolly

mammoth

>> and do we know why around the same time?

>> There's a lot of hypothes.

>> The rational people, not me, but the

rational people think it was the

berserker theory, which means that human

beings killed so many mammoths that we

wiped them out to extinction.

>> Butelievable. This is with Adaladdles.

Like it doesn't make total sense. It's

like how did you get there's not even

that many people. How'd you do that?

Yeah.

>> And then there's also stuff like the

American lion which was bigger than the

African lion. How how do we kill that

off with a stick? Like shut the

up.

>> Something something had to have

happened.

>> Well, they found mass grave sites of uh

mammoths where there's like hundreds of

them dead all in one place that seem to

have died at the same time. Not only

that, some of them have broken legs. It

seems to impact some it seems to

indicate like some

>> like asteroid or some something that

created that kind of impact immediately.

>> But 65% of all North American megapana

died at the same time.

>> That's so crazy.

>> Yeah. Within the time period and they

think the the younger dryest impact

theory people think like this is not a

coincidence that this coincides with the

end of the ice age and also coincides

with where the core samples.

>> Too many coincidences. Yeah. And also

the co coincides with the the fact that

these animals were all here at one point

in time. They all got wiped out except a

very few. There's only a few left. Like

there's uh the prongghorn antelope which

is a really weird one. It's this

prehistoric antelope that lives in North

America. And it's different than every

other animal here because it's evolved

to get away from cheetahs because we

used to have cheetahs in North America.

So it can run like 55. in books.

I've seen them in real life. They're

really weird looking. They look

prehistoric

>> but can run.

>> They fly. That's what it looks like. See

if you can get a look at its face. Can

you see it head on? They're so strange.

Like their eyeballs are on the sides of

their heads cuz something was coming at

them like, you know, 55 miles an hour at

full clip. And so they're really really

alert and they have incredible vision.

>> Wow.

>> And that's a leftover animal. That's a

leftover animal from a time where they

were being prayed upon by something that

doesn't exist anymore. And that

something was wiped out along with the

American lion. A bigger lion than the

African lion lived right here.

>> Huge. That's crazy. I was filming in

Africa recently in Kenya and we for this

Indian movie I'm doing called Vanasi. Um

and we shot with wilderbeasts and like

as in like in the middle of them. I was

in me and my co- actor Mahes were in the

middle of these wilderbeasts that were

all around us while they were migrating.

>> It's like the coolest thing I've ever

seen. But when you see their faces and

for how many years versions of them have

existed, you know, you feel the gravity

when you

>> um see these animals in the wild.

>> It's crazy.

>> It's so much different than a zoo,

right?

>> Oh, completely.

>> Because you're like, "Oh, they've always

been here like this. This is their home.

This is what they do.

>> We're in it. You You feel a sense of

like

>> stay in your jeep.

>> Well, I think we're numb to it because

we watch it on film and so that we get

sort of desensitized and normalized to

this idea of wildlife. Oh, there's the

lion sneaking up on the wilderbeast. How

cool.

>> But when you're there and you you see a

lion, you see a wilderbe like this is

crazy. Like this is all day

long, every day. These life forms

competing to try to exist and stay

alive. this weird balance where all of

them, you know,

>> they still exist.

>> They can there'll be wilderbeast right

there and there'll be a lion right here

who's eaten. So, they're hanging out

together. The wilderbeast knows that

he's eaten. He's not coming after us.

And they exist. But at the same time,

they're, you know, during hunting

season, you see the hunt happen and I

saw a hunt happen and that's that's

crazy that that's their life.

>> Yeah.

>> With their face. They kill things with

their face.

>> Yeah. like literally your

>> Well, there's a really extraordinary

island in Africa where the river changed

courses and it left this this one uh

pack of lions on this one island that

only has water buffalo on it. And so

these lions became enormous and the the

female lions are as big as male lions

everywhere else. And the male lions are

way bigger than they are anywhere else.

I think there's the documentary. I think

it's called Relentless Enemies, but it's

so because they look like these jacked

bodybuilder lions.

>> Those water buffaloos are huge. And

>> I had one staring at me like we were in

Kenya. I'm like the video villages

today. We're filming and it's far away,

but it just turned his head and just

looked at me and then just kept looking

at me. And I swear I had to like get up

and get out of its view cuz it just kept

staring. I was like, it's coming at me.

>> They will come at you. For sure.

>> They kill people.

>> The rangers told us they were like, "I

think he's engaged with you. Maybe

maybe get out of here. Get into your

car."

>> Yeah. There's that poor lady from who

she was a video editor on the Game of

Thrones and she went to do a safari

there and it pul one one of the lions

pulled her out of her car.

>> Out of her car?

>> Yeah. She rolled the window down or

someone rolled the window down and a

female lion just snatched her out of the

car and killed her.

>> Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah.

>> You have to listen to your rangers.

>> Yeah.

>> When you're in these situations.

>> Exactly. Yeah. I main thing is she

wanted a better picture or something. I

don't know.

>> That's the that gets people into

trouble.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Like there was this one of our rangers

was telling us a story that they have we

were in Masai Mara and they were like

they have open jeeps and you know you

have food that they keep really hidden

so that the animals can't smell it under

your seats and stuff. And he was telling

a story about this influencer. He's

driving and you know there's a pack of

lions. Lion's just eaten so he's

sleeping and this influencer who puts

his hand outside to try and touch the

lion's head and got it on video and

survived to tell the story and then he

was banned and then the ranger was like

fired from his job and all of that

happened but for the imaging

idiot all for the Graham.

>> My gosh that was crazy. Yeah.

>> I mean there

I mean, I don't want anything bad to

happen to anybody, but when someone does

something like that and does get killed,

it's probably better

>> educationally for the human race. Like,

don't.

>> But is it though? Or are we are we

really learning from other people and

their examples?

>> Some people aren't learning

>> Nobody's learning

>> We're just trying to put the be best

versions of ourselves on the gram. Like,

that's what the

>> Yeah.

>> That's what's happening right now. It's