Bloomberg This Weekend 2/28/2026
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>> WELCOME TO THE DEBUT OF BLOOMBERG WEEKEND.
SPECIAL COVERAGE FROM THE WORLD HEADQUARTERS IN NEW YORK.
CHRISTINA: THERE IS ONE STORY THIS MORNING
AND THAT IS IRAN. BEFORE WE CAME ON THE AIR, THE
U.S. AND ISRAEL LAUNCHED JOINT STRIKES ON IRAN.
IRAN HAS RETALIATED AND THE STRIKES ARE ONGOING AND HERE IS
THE LATEST. >> BREAKING NEWS ON THE SATURDAY MORNING, PRESIDENT
TRUMP SAYS THAT U.S. LAUNCHED MAJOR COMBAT
OPERATIONS IN IRAN.
>> IT HAS BEEN MASS TERROR AND WE WILL NOT PUT UP WITH IT ANY
LONGER.
>> AIRSTRIKES HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT BY THE U.S. AND ISRAEL.
RESIDENT MOB -- PRESIDENT TRUMP IS CALLING ON IRANIANS TO
OVERTHROW THE REGIME AND HE WARNS THAT AMERICANS COULD DIE
AS A RESULT OF THE OPERATION.
>> THE LIVES OF COURAGEOUS AMERICAN HEROES WILL BE LOST
AND WE MIGHT HAVE CASUALTIES.
>> IRAN RETALIATE SAYING THAT THERE ARE NO RED LINES AND ALL
TARGETS ARE ON THE TABLE. THERE ARE REPORTS OF STRIKES ON
AND AROUND THE MIDDLE EAST. CHRISTINA: LET US GET -- DAVID:
LET US GET STARTED WITH THE LAIUS AND FOR THAT WE GO TO
LISA MATTEO. LISA:
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS URGING IRANIANS TO TAKE OVER THE
GOVERNMENT. THAT IS ONCE THE MILITARY
CAMPAIGN COMES TO AN END. HE SAID THE MILITARY OPERATION
BEGAN AFTER IRAN REFUSED TO RENOUNCE NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
HERE IS WHAT WE KNOW.
SEVERAL LARGE EXPLOSIONS EXPECT -- SEEN IN THE CAPITAL AND NOW
SIREN SOUNDED THROUGHOUT ISRAEL AND IRAN STATE MEDIA SAID THAT
THEY HAD LAUNCHED A WAVE OF MISSILES ATTACKS AND THE ISRAEL
ARMY HAS REPORTED ATTACKS. THE MILITARY AND DEFENSE
SYSTEMS WERE OPERATING TO INTERCEPT EVERY ATTACK.
ISRAEL MEDIA REPORTING A NEW WAVE OF MISSILE ATTACKS ON
SOUTHERN ISRAEL.
THE ISRAEL DEFENSE MINISTER IS DECLARING A STATE OF EMERGENCY
IN THE COUNTRY. WHAT WE ALSO WANT TO SAY IS
THAT THE U.S. EMBASSY IN BAHRAIN AND QATAR
HAVE ISSUED SINCE SHELTER-IN-PLACE ORDERS FOR ALL
OF ITS PERSONNEL AND U.S. CITIZENS IN THE AREA.
I WANT TO GET TO THE AIRSPACE. ISRAEL AND IRAN HAVE CLOSED
THEIR AIRSPACE AND THE UAE ENACTED A PARTIAL CLOSER OF ITS
AIRSPACE AS A PRECAUTIONARY MEASURE AND BLOOMBERG
INTELLIGENCE AVIATION SAYS THAT TRAVELERS CAN EXPECT SEVERE
DISRUPTIONS IN THE AREA. THE U.S.
NAVY ADVISED SHIPS ALREADY IN THE AREA AS WELL, EXERCISE
EXTREME CAUTION AND BE PREPARED TO RESPOND TO ANY QUERIES.
AT THAT SAME NOTE WE ARE HEARING A BIT MORE ON BAHRAIN
WHERE WE ARE REPORTING THAT IRANIAN MISSILE ATTACKS
TARGETED THE U.S.. NO FURTHER DETAILS ARE
AVAILABLE. IF WE GO TO OUR LATEST UPDATES.
AFTER EXPLOSIONS WERE HEARD IN KUWAIT, THE NATIONAL OIL
COMPANY SAID THAT REFINING AND PRODUCTION ARE PROCEEDING
WITHOUT INTERRUPTION.
DAVID AND CHRISTINA, IT IS UNCLEAR WHERE, WHEN OR IF
PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL SPEAK. HE IS AT HIS RESORT. DAVID:
THANK YOU. OUR CONTROL ROOM IS TELLING ME
THAT QATAR SAYS THEY HAVE INTERCEPTED A THIRD WAVE OF
MISSILES AND WE WILL HAVE MORE FOR YOU ON THAT.
WE DO HAVE GLOBAL COVERAGE WITH REPORTERS AND ANALYSTS FROM
WASHINGTON TO TEL AVIV AND BEYOND.
I WANT TO PLAY YOU SOME OF THE MESSAGE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP
DELIVERED THIS MORNING IN THE VERY EARLY HOURS OF THE MORNING
DIRECT TO SOCIAL MEDIA.
>> WE SAW IT REPEAT -- WE SOUGHT REPEATEDLY TO MAKE A
DEAL. WE TRIED, THEY WANTED TO DO IT,
THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO IT AND THEN THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO IT
AND THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING, THEY JUST WANTED TO
PRACTICE PEOPLE. IRAN REFUSED JUST AS IT HAS FOR
DECADES AND DECADES. THEY REJECTED EVERY OPPORTUNITY
TO RENOUNCE THEIR NUCLEAR AMBITIONS, AND WE CANNOT TAKE
IT ANYMORE. INSTEAD THEY ATTEMPTED TO
REBUILD THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND TO CONTINUE DEVELOPING
LONG-RANGE MISSILES THAT CAN NOW THREATEN OUR VERY GOOD
FRIENDS AND ALLIES IN EUROPE, OUR TROOPS STATIONED OVERSEAS,
AND COULD SOON REACH THE AMERICAN HOMELAND.
JUST IMAGINE HOW IT THIS REGIME WOULD BE IF THEY ACTUALLY HAD
AND WERE ARMED WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS AS A MEANS TO DELIVER
THEIR MESSAGE. FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS, THE
UNITED STATES MILITARY HAS UNDERTAKEN A MASSIVE AND
ONGOING OPERATION TO PREVENT THIS VERY RATED -- WICKED AND
RADICAL DICTATORSHIP FROM HURTING AMERICA AND THEIR
INTERNATIONAL SECURITY
INTEREST. WE WILL RAZE THEIR MISSILE INDUSTRY TO THE GROUND
AND IT WILL BE TOTALLY AGAIN OBLITERATED.
WE WILL ANNIHILATE THEIR NAVY AND ENSURE THAT THE REGION'S
TERRORIST PROXIES CAN NO LONGER DESTABILIZE THE REGION AND THE
WORLD AND NO LONGER USE THEIR IED'S OR ROADSIDE BOMBS, AS
THEY ARE SOMETIMES CALLED SAYS SO GRAVELY WOUNDED AND KILL
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING MANY AMERICANS.
AND WE WILL ENSURE THAT IRAN DOES NOT OBTAIN A NUCLEAR
WEAPON. IT IS A VERY SIMPLE MESSAGE.
THEY WILL NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
THIS REGIME WILL SOON LEARN THAT NO ONE SHOULD CHALLENGE
THE STRENGTH AND MIGHT OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
DAVID: JUST PART OF AN EXTRAORDINARY
EIGHT MINUTE SEGMENT THAT WAS POSTED ON TRUE SOCIAL AND WE
WILL PLAY MORE OF IT. I AM GOING TO BRING OUR GUESTS
TO START THE SHOW. WE HAVE PAUL WALLACE, ETHAN
BRONNER, JOE ON VERSACE AND HERE WITH US ON SET IN NEW
YORK, THE COANCHOR A BALANCE OF POWER.
JEFF MASON, LET ME START WITH YOU AND THIS EXTRAORDINARY TURN
OF EVENTS.
WE SAW THE DIPLOMATIC TRACK IN PLACE AND WHY DID THE PRESIDENT
MAKE HIS DECISION WHEN HE DID? JEFF: A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, IN ADDITION TO ANNOUNCING THE NEWS OF THE
DECISION THAT HE MADE, HE WAS ALSO MAKING A SALES PITCH TO
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND POLITICAL BASE, TALKING ABOUT
WHY HE WAS DOING IT AND GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE DECADES
IN TERMS OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN IRAN OF THE UNITED
STATES AND THE TENSION THERE. PRESENTING HIMSELF AS THE
PRESIDENT WILLING TO DO THIS, COMPARING HIMSELF TO OTHER
PRESIDENTS, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH AS MO WHEN HE MAKES THE
DECISIONS. -- BIG DECISION.
I CANNOT THINK YOU CAN UNDERSTATE HOW YOU SAY THIS IS
THE BIG THING FOR HIS PRESIDENCY.
THIS IS A MAJOR MILITARY OPERATION THAT CARRIES HUGE
POLITICAL RISKS FOR HAM, AND BIG POLITICAL RISKS FOR THE
MILITARY AS WELL. THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY
ALONG THOSE LINES, IF A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
WARNS AMERICANS THAT THERE MIGHT BE CASUALTIES OF U.S.
TROOPS, THERE IS A REASON. AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE
QUESTIONS HE HAS NOT ANSWERED IN TERMS OF HAS HE CHANGED HIS
MIND ABOUT GROUND TROOPS? DOES HE HAVE THINKING BEYOND
THE ASSETS ALREADY IN THAT REGION?
THOSE ARE QUESTIONS WE WILL BE ASKING.
THE FACT THAT HE FLAGGED IT MEANS THAT HE IS PREPARING THE
UNITED STATES FOR A LONGER WAR. CHRISTINA:
THE THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME IS OPENLY CALLING FOR REGIME
CHANGE. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE HEARD
FROM HIM. HE TOLD -- HE SPOKE TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE INTO THE IRANIAN PEOPLE SAYING DO NOT
STAY HERE -- LEAVE YOUR HOMES AND WHEN YOU ARE FINISHED TAKE
OVER YOUR GOVERNMENT AND IT WILL BE YOURS TO TAKE AND THIS
IS PROBABLY YOUR ONLY CHANCE FOR GENERATIONS.
>> THE ORIGINAL JUSTIFICATION FOR MILITARY ACTION WAS TO
PROTECT THE PROTESTERS. HELP WAS ON ITS WAY AND THAT
WAS WEEKS AGO. SINCE THEN TENS OF THOUSANDS
HAVE BEEN KILLED SO THERE IS A BIG QUESTION ABOUT HOW THIS
WILL BE RECEIVED ON THE GROUND. FOR ANYONE WHO WONDERED IF
BLOOMBERG TV AND RADIO NEEDED A WEEKEND SHOW WE ARE NOT ASKING
THAT QUESTION ANY LONGER AND I THANK YOU BOTH FOR BRINGING
THIS TO AIR. WE WILL BE WATCHING CONGRESSIONAL REACTION AS
LAWMAKERS WAKE UP AND IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS A
SUPPORTIVE ROGER WICKER, THE CHAIR OF THE SENATE ARMED
SERVICES COMMITTEE BUT THERE IS A WAR POWERS RESOLUTION WAITING
FOR A VOTE.
SENATOR ANDY KIM JUST A SHORT TIME AGO, "THE SENATE SHOULD
VOTE ON THE WAR POWERS RESOLUTION IMMEDIATELY."
THERE WILL BE A CALL TO BRING THAT TO THE FLOOR. DAVID:
AND THE MINORITY LEADER OF THE HELLS SAYING THAT THEY TEND TO
VOTE. AND OH MOM -- OMAN'S FOREIGN
MINISTER SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT YOUR MORE.
LET US GO TO DUBAI. WE HEARD FROM THE SUPREME
LEADER THAT ANY ATTACK ON IRAN WOULD KICK OFF A REGIONAL WAR.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE SEEING THAT.
GIVE US THE LATEST THAT YOU ARE HEARING AND SEEING. JOUMANNA:
IT IS A TENSE DAY. WE WOKE UP IN THE MORNING WITH
NOTHING HAPPENED OVERNIGHT AND THE ASSUMPTION THAT WHEN WE
WENT TO SLEEP YESTERDAY THAT IF IT WOULD BE MILITARY ACTION IT
WOULD HAPPEN IN THE EVENING WHICH HAPPENED WITH THE 12 DAY
IRAN AND ISRAEL BORE A YEAR AGO LAST JUNE.
BUT THIS TIME IT WAS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IN THE EARLY HOURS OF
THE MORNING IT SEEMED AS THOUGH ISRAEL HAD LAUNCHED THE ATTACKS
ON IRAN. SEVERAL EXPLOSIONS WERE HEARD
IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY ANTI-RON. -- TEHRAN.
THE U.S. CONFIRMED THAT THEY HAD PARTICIPATED AS WELL, AND NOT
SO LONG AFTER THAT YOU GOT A VERY SWIFT IRANIAN RESPONSE.
THIS IS ANOTHER BIG DIFFERENCE TO THE LAST BIG WAR, THE 12 DAY
WAR. IT TOOK A COUPLE OF DAYS FOR
IRAN TO ORCHESTRATE THE RESPONSE.
THIS TIME AROUND THEY WERE READY TO GO AND FIRED BACK AT
U.S. BASES AROUND THE GULF.
I AM TALKING ABOUT QATAR, BAHRAIN, KUWAIT, ABU DHABI WITH
EXPLOSIONS OCCURRED IN VARIOUS OF THOSE BASES AND CITIZENS
WERE RECEIVING FIRING WARNINGS AND WARNING THEM THAT AN ATTACK
WAS IMMINENT. MOST OF THE MISSILES AND DRONES
THAT WERE FIRED AND DIRECTED AT THE GULF STATES AND THE BASES
WERE INTERCEPTED AND WE HAVE HEARD OF ONE CASUALTY IN ABU
DHABI PROBABLY HIT BY SHRAPNEL. I WILL SAY THAT THE STRIKES ARE
ONGOING AS WE SPEAK. WE HEARD ANOTHER STRIKE
DIRECTED TOWARD STILL HOT AND ALSO THE BASES IN IRAQ.
IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT THIS WAS NEVER GOING TO BE A JUST U.S.
AND IRAN WAR. THERE WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE
THE RISK OF BROADER REGIONAL INVOLVEMENT AND WE ARE VERY
MUCH IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THE ATTACKS ON
ISRAEL AND THE ATTACKS ON THESE VARIOUS UAS -- U.S. BASES.
DAVID: THAT WAS -- CHRISTINA: THAT WAS A CONCERN WITH ALLIES
AND PEOPLE CLOSER TO THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE A CONFLICT IS
UNLIKELY TO STAY BETWEEN THESE TWO.
WE ARE SEEING REPORTS OF HITS THROUGHOUT THE REGION AND WE
ARE TRYING TO ASSESS THOSE AS THEY TRICKLE IN.
WE WILL VERIFY THAT AS SOON AS WE CAN.
ETHAN, I WANT TO GO TO YOU, LIKE MANY PEOPLE, MY PHONE RANG
AT 1:30 A.M. WITH A SOURCE IN TEL AVIV
TELLING ME THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING BUT THEY
WERE GETTING RED ALERTS ON YOUR PHONE TAKE SHELTER AND THIS IS
PROACTIVE. CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH YOUR
MORNING WHAT YOU HEARD AND SAW AND HOW THIS UNRAVELED ON THE
GROUND. ETHAN: CERTAINLY.
AT THAT EXACT HOUR WE HAVE SIRENS GOING OFF.
I AM HERE IN TEL AVIV. IT WAS A: 30 OUR TIME.
AND I AM NOW IN MY SAFE ROOM, WHICH IS THE PART OF MY
APARTMENT WHICH IS REINFORCED WITH CONCRETE AND IT HAS METAL
FOR THE WINDOW AND A METAL DOOR. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY IF A MISSILE
HITS MY BUILDING I AM NOT GOING TO SURVIVE, BUT ANYTHING 100
METERS AWAY OR SO, THE IMPACT WILL BE PROTECTED FROM.
SO PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO HAVE ACCESS TO SUCH A PLACE
ARE IN IT.
MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE IN SUBWAY SYSTEMS AND UNDERGROUND
PARKING AREAS. THERE HAS BEEN ALL DAY LONG
SIRENS AT THE NORTH AND SOUTH. SO FAR, ACCORDING TO OFFICIALS
IN THE LAST HOUR I HAVE HEARD, ONLY ABOUT 40 MISSILES HAVE
LANDED, AND THERE IS A RANGE OF PREDICTIONS ABOUT HOW BAD IT
WILL GET, I WAS JUST LISTENING TO ONE ANALYST SAY THIS IS JUST
THE BEGINNING. THEY WILL HAVE CRUISE MISSILES,
BALLISTIC MISSILES AND DRONES AND IT WILL GO ON AND GET ROUGH.
OTHERS ARE SAYING THAT IN ISRAEL AND THE U.S.
CHOSE TO ATTACK NOW IS BECAUSE THE IRANIANS HAD SUFFERED A LOT
IN JUNE AND COULD NOT REBUILD ENOUGH TO REALLY COME BACK AT
THESE GUYS. WE SHALL SEE.
IT IS CERTAINLY A VERY BIG DAY IN THIS CONFLICT.
AND, THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THEY ARE NOW TALKING RELATIVELY
OPENLY ABOUT REGIME CHANGE, AND SORT OF ASSERTING THAT THESE
ATTACKS ARE GOING TO ENCOURAGE IRANIANS TO RISE UP AGAIN IN
THE STREETS. A CONTROVERSIAL NOTION.
TYPICALLY WHEN A FOREIGN POWER ATTACKS A COUNTRY, PEOPLE RALLY
AROUND THE FLAG RATHER THAN AGAINST THEIR GOVERNMENT.
BUT THAT CALCULATION IS THAT IT MIGHT BE OTHERWISE. DAVID:
PAUL, LET ME TURN TO YOU TO LONDON AND YOU HEAD UP THE
MIDDLE EAST COVERAGE. WE IT IS -- WHAT IS THE SENSE
THAT THIS MIGHT PLAY OUT. WE HEARD A CALL FOR THE MEETING
OF THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL TO GET SOME SENSE OF WHAT IS GOING
TO HAPPEN GOING FORWARD? WHAT IS THE LATEST ON THE SENSE
OF TIMETABLE? PAUL:
THE SENSE IS THAT THIS CANNOT BE A SHORT DAY IS LONG CAMPAIGN
IF TRUMP IS SINCERE AND HE IS EFFECTIVELY CALLING FOR REGIME
CHANGE, AND CALLING FOR IRANIANS TO TAKE OVER THEIR
GOVERNMENT'S AND WHEN THEY GET THE OPPORTUNITY.
IF THAT IS HIS AIM, AND WE LISTENS TO AND YOU PLAYED CLIPS
OF HIS VIDEO FROM MAR-A-LAGO AND TIM TALKING ABOUT
DESTROYING IRAN'S NAVY AND ITS BALLISTICS PROGRAM COMPLETELY,
IF THAT IS HIS AIM, HE WILL NOT ACHIEVE THAT IN A MATTER OF
DAYS. WE COULD BE LOOKING AT
SOMETHING THAT TAKES MORE THAN A WEEK PERHAPS, EVEN SEVERAL
WEEKS. THAT IS THE THINKING. THIS IS BIGGER AND LOOKS BIGGER
THAN WHAT WE SAW LAST YEAR IN JUNE WHEN ISRAEL STRUCK IRAN
AND STARTED A 12 DAY WAR, WHICH THE U.S. JOINED AT THE END.
CHRISTINA: I WANT TO GO BACK TO YOU
BECAUSE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD GOING INTO THIS IS THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MADE A BOLD CLAIM AND SAID THAT THEY
HAD DESTROYED IRAN'S NUCLEAR SITES IN THE LAST ATTACK, SO
WHAT ARE THE TARGETS AND WHAT ARE THEY GOING AFTER?
DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY HIT OR WHAT THEY ARE AIMING FOR?
AND I WANT TO ASK YOUR TAKE ON THE CALL FOR REGIME CHANGE.
THE U.S. DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT HISTORY.
DO WE HAVE ANY INDICATION THAT IT COULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL?
JOUMANNA: LET ME START WITH THE FIRST
PART WHICH IS WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THE FIRST WAVE OF
STRIKES WERE ACTUALLY DIRECTED TOWARDS PERSONNEL AND
INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS, THE INTELLIGENCE HEADQUARTERS, LESS
SO MILITARY INFRASTRUCTURE. AS THE DAY PROGRESSED IT SEEMED
THAT THE LATER STRIKES WERE ALSO TARGETING MILITARY
INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL. FROM THE WARNING STRIKES WE
UNDERSTAND THAT THEY TARGETED A KEY AREA, ONE OF THOSE KEY
LOCATIONS WITHIN IRAN AND -- WHERE THEY DO HAVE A NUCLEAR
CENTRIFUGE AND THE CAPABILITIES THAT ARE SOME POINT FIRING OR
NOT. THAT IS ALSO VERY PERTINENT TO
THE DISCUSSION. AND WE HAD EVEN REPORTED AND WE
PUT OUT A PIECE ABOUT THIS. ABOUT SATELLITE IMAGERY
SUGGESTING THAT IRAN WAS LOOKING TO RECONSTITUTE PART OF
THAT NUCLEAR REACTOR SYSTEM, SO IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THAT WAS ONE
OF THE SITES. IN TERMS AS WHO IS ACCOUNTED
FOR AND WHO IS NOT ACCOUNTED FOR, WHAT WE UNDERSTAND SO FAR
IS THAT THIS IS PER THE NEWS PUT FORWARD BY THE SEMI
OFFICIAL IRANIAN NEWS AGENCIES. THE PRESIDENT AND FOREIGN
MINISTER HAS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR. WE DO NOT KNOW YET ABOUT THE
SUPREME LEADER HIMSELF -- HIMSELF, AND WHETHER HE IS
FULLY SAFE OR HAS BEEN INJURED. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE
IS WATCHING FOR VERY CLOSELY FOR CONFIRMATION.
I THINK WHAT IS CLEAR, FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SPEECH
OVERNIGHT AND THE VIDEO HE POSTED AND HE IS EXPECTED TO
SPEAK IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF HOURS WE WILL GET MORE COLOR ON
WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. IT IS SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT
THEY WENT FOR WHICH WAS A SURGICAL LIMITED STRIKE ON THE
NUCLEAR FACILITIES. HE IS DIRECTLY SPEAKING TO THE
PEOPLE LIKE WHAT ETHAN WAS SAYING AND SEES THIS AS AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE CHANGE. NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO REGIME
CHANGE, THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT IS EASIER SAID
THAN DONE. WITHIN IRAN, THERE IS AN
UNDERSTANDING AS WELL, THE AYATOLLAH IS 86 YEARS OLD AND
THEY HAVE BEEN PREPARING FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF HIM NO
LONGER BEING THERE. THEY HAVE ACTUALLY THOUGHT
ABOUT A SERIES OF SUCCESSORS AND WHAT TO DO WITH THE
GOVERNING STRUCTURE SHOULD HE NO LONGER EXISTS.
IT IS NOT AS EASY AS REMOVING A FIGUREHEAD AND REPLACING IT
WITH SOMEONE ELSE AND THEN CUTTING A DEAL WITH THE NEW
LEADERSHIP SIMILAR TO THE VENEZUELAN MODEL.
IT IS A MUCH MORE CHALLENGING SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT IS A POPULATION OF 90 MILLION, BUT NOT HOMOGENOUS.
AND AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE A CHUNK OF 200,000 SECURITY
FORCES THAT ARE VERY ALIGNED AND -- AND IDEOLOGICALLY
OPPOSED TO CUTTING A DEAL WITH THE UNITED STATES. DAVID:
I WANT TO GET MORE INTO THE PRESENT THINKING'S GOING INTO
THIS AND YOU SAID HE TALKED ABOUT THE GRAVITY OF U.S.
FORCES GETTING INVOLVED AND LET US SEE WHAT HE HAD TO STAY --
TO SAY.
>> MY ADMINISTRATION HAS TAKEN EVERY POSSIBLE STEP TO MINIMIZE
THE RISK TO U.S. PERSONNEL IN THE REGION.
EVEN SO, AND I DO NOT MAKE THIS STATEMENT LIGHTLY, THE IRANIAN
REGIME SEEKS TO KILL. THE LIVES OF COURAGEOUS
AMERICAN HEROES MIGHT BE LOST, AND WE MAY HAVE CASUALTIES,
THAT OFTEN HAPPENS IN WAR. WE ARE DOING THIS NOT FOR NOW,
BUT WE ARE DOING THIS FOR THE FUTURE. IT IS A NOBLE MISSION.
CHRISTINA: THAT IS REALLY REMARKABLE.
DAVID: I AM CURIOUS HOW HE HAS AND
WILL CONTINUE MAKING THAT CASE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
WE LISTEN TO THE STATE OF THE UNION AND IRAN HAD REALLY IN
THE BROAD SCOPE OF THAT TWO HOUR SPEECH AT A GLANCING
MENTIONED. -- THIS IS RATCHETING UP WHAT
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ABOUT WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION'S OBJECTIVES
ARE. NOW THAT WE HAVE THESE REMARKS
AND WHAT WE SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND, YOUR
SENSE OF HOW THIS HAS EVOLVED AND WHAT A TAP -- APPETITE IF
ANY IF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS FOR THIS KIND OF ADVENTURISM.
JEFF: HIS POLITICAL BASE DOES NOT
HAVE APPETITE. WHEN HE WAS REFERRING TO
POLITICAL RISK AT THE TOP OF THE SHOW, THAT IS ONE OF THE
BIG QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
THE PRESIDENT IS HEADING INTO MIDTERM ELECTIONS THIS NOVEMBER.
IF THE WHITE HOUSE, PARTICULARLY HIS CHIEF OF STAFF
WANTED HIM TO BE FOCUSED ON THE ECONOMY.
HE WAS IN TEXAS TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND ENERGY.
THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS AMONG FOLKS
AROUND HIM, AND AMONG HIS POLITICAL BASE THAT HE WAS
SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME ON FOREIGN POLICY.
HERE HE IS NOW MAKING A CHOICE TO START A WAR.
THIS IS NOT UNITED STATES SUPPORTING ISRAEL AT WAR WITH
IRAN BUT A U.S. WAR, AND HE IS USING THE
LANGUAGE AND TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL CASUALTIES.
THIS IS NOT JUST SUPPORTING AN ALLY, THIS IS BEING PART OF IT
AND BEING THE AGGRESSOR. AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE SALES
PITCH AND TALKING ABOUT WHY AND SUGGESTING THAT THE UNITED
STATES MIGHT HAVE BEEN AT RISK BECAUSE OF THE MISSILE
TECHNOLOGY. I THINK YOU WILL CONTINUE TO
HEAR THAT AND HE WILL CONTINUE MAKING HIS CASE.
THE RISKS AGAIN POLITICAL AND CERTAINLY TILL LIVES.
AND LISTENING TO EVEN TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY MEASURES THAT
HE HAS TO TAKE IN ISRAEL RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WILL
HAPPEN IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL LIVES LOST, BOTH FROM ALLIES
AND AMERICAN TROOPS AS WELL. CHRISTINA:
THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRACKING
NEGOTIATIONS IN GENEVA AND INDIRECT TALKS OF THE U.S.
AND IRAN ARE IN DIFFERENT ROOMS AND THE MESSAGING COMING OUT OF
THE MEETING FROM THE OMANIS WAS THAT THIS WAS GOING WELL, THAT
THEY HAD SOMEWHAT OF AN AGREEMENT AND ONE OF THE THINGS
THEY HAD AGREED TO IS TO GIVE UP THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS
PROGRAM. AND THAT WAS PROGRESS BECAUSE
EVEN IN THE JCPOA THAT WAS NOT IN CLEAR TERMS AND THAT SEEMS
LIKE A BIG HURDLE THAT HAD BEEN OVERCOME AND THEN THEY WERE
SCHEDULED TO DO TECHNICAL TALKS AND THEN THE STRIKE HAPPENED.
WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THAT? WAS A U.S. SERIOUS ABOUT THESE
NEGOTIATIONS? JOE: THAT IS SUCH A GREAT QUESTION
AND NOBODY KNOWS OUTSIDE OF STEVE WITKOFF, JARED KUSHNER
AND DONALD TRUMP. THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE ON THE
PRECIPICE OF SOMETHING THAT COULD AMOUNT TO A BREAKTHROUGH.
THIS HAS BEEN THE MO FOR TRUMP, 10 OR 15 DAYS AND WE HAVE A
MEETING ON THE BOOKS AND THEN MISSILES START FLYING.
THAT IS THE TIMING OF HIS CHOICE.
THIS IS GOING TO GET MORE DIFFICULT, POTENTIALLY WHICH
EACH DAY. -- WITH EACH DAY. POLITICALLY SPEAKING THIS IS
ABOUT DURATION. WHAT STEVE BANNON GOING TO BE
SAYING ABOUT THIS? WHAT ARE MAGA CANDIDATES GOING
TO BE SAYING? REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO
MAINTAIN A MAJORITY ON CAPITOL HILL AND MANY REPUBLICANS HAVE
NO APPETITE TO BE STARTING A NEW WAR.
ADD THAT TO THE EXTENDED DEPLOYMENT THAT WE ARE SEEING
FOR THE USS GERALD FORD WHO HAS BEEN AT SEA FOR 11 MONTHS AND
THEY ARE HAVING PLUMBING PROBLEMS AND SAILORS ARE IN
LINE FOR THE BATHROOM. THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR MORALE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS, WHAT WE ARE PAYING JUST TO
MAINTAIN THESE TWO CARRIERS, SALARIES AND GAS AMOUNTS TO
ALMOST $30 MILLION A DAY. THAT IS BEFORE ONE MISSILE IS
SHOT. DAVID: THESE WERE STRIKES THAT WERE
POINT -- PUT OUT BY E THE U.S. AND ISRAEL.
LET US SEE WHAT BENJAMIN NETANYAHU SAID ON THE HEELS OF
THESE FIRST STRIKES THIS MORNING?
>> ISRAEL AND THE UNITED STATES LAUNCHED A JOINT CAMPAIGN,
OPERATION LION'S ROAR. IT IS TO PUT AN END FROM -- TO
THE THREAT OF THE AYATOLLAH REGIME.
THE IDF IS ATTACKING TARGETS OF THE OPPRESSIVE REGIME AND
FACILITIES OF THE REVOLUTIONARY GUARD ALONG WITH THE UNITED
STATES MILITARY TARGETING BALLISTIC MISSILE SITES THAT
THREATEN ISRAEL AND U.S. FORCES. THE OPERATION WILL CONTINUE AS
LONG AS NECESSARY. DAVID:
I ASKED ABOUT HOW THE PRESIDENT'S THINKING IS ON THIS.
LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT HOW THE PRESIDENT WAS CONVINCED BY
PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU'S FEELINGS ABOUT THIS.
WE SAW HIM IN THE U.S. A FEW DAYS AGO MEETING WITH THE
PRESIDENT AND CONVEYING TO HIM THAT HE WAS NOT ENTHUSIASTIC
ABOUT THE U.S. PURSUING DIPLOMATIC TALKS WITH
IRAN AND SWITZERLAND. TALK ABOUT THAT EVOLUTION IN
THE CASE THAT HE WAS MAKING AND HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT FROM
YOUR VANTAGE. PAUL: LOOK, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT,
IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THIS PLACE WHERE I AM LIVING, THE
IDEA OF WAR IS NOT CONSIDERED THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN.
THE SURVIVAL OF THAT GOVERNMENT IS CONSIDERED A MUCH MORE
DANGEROUS LONG-TERM SITUATION THAN A RELATIVELY SHORT-TERM
WAR. I AM NOT OFFERING MY VIEW. THIS IS A VIEW OF THE PEOPLE
HERE. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP SEEMS TO HAVE AGREED THAT THE FUTURE OF THE
UNITED STATES AND ITS ALLIES ARE BETTER SERVED BY DOING THIS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WITHIN THE UNITED STATES IT FEELS LIKE A
DEEPLY POLITICAL QUESTION BUT IT FEELS LIKE A GEOSTRATEGIC
ONE HERE IN THE SAME WAY THAT HE TOOK OUT MADERO IN VENEZUELA.
THE IDEA THAT IF YOU ARE A RICH COUNTRY THAT IS AN ENEMY OF --
THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT UNITED STATES ON TRUMP WANTS TO
DO SOMETHING ABOUT. THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT FROM
ISRAEL'S PERSPECTIVE YOU HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT BY
AROUND ON ITS PROXIES LIKE HAMAS, AND OCTOBER 7 ONE HAMAS
ATTACKED ISRAEL SO BRUTALLY. FROM ISRAEL'S PERSPECTIVE, TO
GET RID OF IRAN AND THIS REGIME IS SO CLEARLY IN THE INTEREST
OF IT AND THE UNITED STATES. AND THAT IS THE CASE THAT HE
MADE TO THE PRESIDENT. THIS COUNTRY WAS NOT A
DIFFICULT CASE TO MAKE AND THIS IS NOT A NETANYAHU PROBLEM.
MUCH OF THIS COUNTRY IS GRATEFUL FOR THE UNITED STATES
TO BE DOING THIS. IT IS PROBABLY A MAJORITY BUT
IT IS CERTAINLY NOT A MAJORITY. CHRISTINA:
I JUST WANT TO SAY ON OUR AUDIENCE ON YOUTUBE,
INTELLIGENCE AND DIGITAL THAT VIDEO IS FROM THE IDF.
PAUL, I WANT TO ASK YOU, WE ARE TRILL -- STILL TRYING TO SORT
OUT THE LEVEL OF COORDINATION BETWEEN THE U.S. AND ISRAEL.
I AM LOOKING ABOUT STORIES FROM OUR REPORTING TEAMS THAT THE
STRIKES WERE PLANNED FOR A WEEK -- FOR MANY WEEKS.
IF THAT IS THE CASE AND THE STRIKES HAVE BEEN PLANNED OUT
FOR MANY WEEKS THIS GOES BACK TO MY PREVIOUS QUESTION, WAS
THE U.S. EVER NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH
WITH IRAN? PAUL:
THAT IS THE BIG QUESTION, AND THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PLENTY
OF DOUBTS ABOUT HOW SINCERE THE U.S.
WAS BEING, BUT IT SAID THAT IT DID WANT THE TALKS TO RUN THEIR
COURSE AND FURTHER TALKS TO BE GIVEN A CHANCE.
I MEAN, BOTH THINGS COULD BE RIGHT.
OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS MILITARY PLANNING GOING ON IN THE
BACKGROUND. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MILITARY
PLANNING GOING ON SINCE THE JUNE 12 DAY WAR, AND ALSO THE
U.S. AND EVEN THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST ON TOP OF THE
EXISTING MILITARY PLANNING THAT TOOK PLACE.
AND, EVEN WHILE, YES, THESE TALKS WERE GOING ON AND THE U.S.
WAS KNOCKING OUT -- PUTTING OUT A HUGE NUMBER OF FORCES IN THE
MIDDLE EAST REGION AND NOW WITH THESE TWO AERIAL CRAFT -- AIR
CARE -- AIRCRAFT CARRIER GROUPS THERE AND A LARGE NUMBER OF AIR
-- WARPLANES AND REFUELING PLANES AND NOW HAS ITS BIGGEST
EXPEDITIONARY FORCE IN PLACE ANYWHERE SINCE THE 2003 IRAQI
INVASION. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING WHY
WOULD YOU DO THAT? IF YOU DID NOT PLAN TO USE IT
IN SOME WAY? AND THIS WILL BE PEOPLE'S
QUESTION FOR TRUMP WITH REGARDS TO THAT.
IRAN ITSELF WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TAKEN COMPLETELY BY SURPRISE BY
THE STRIKES THIS MORNING.
IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT HAS LONG WARNED THAT IT WILL BE READY AT
A MOMENTS NOTICE TO RETALIATE AGAINST U.S.
STRIKES, AND THAT HAS PROVED CORRECT WITH A VERY SWIFT
NUMBER OF COUNTER STRIKES ON ISRAEL AND U.S.
BASES IN QATAR, BAHRAIN, THE UAE AND THINGS.
THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WONDERING IF THE TALKS WERE A
SHAM TO LULL IRAN INTO SOME KIND OF SENSE OF COMPLACENCY,
AND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE SAYING THAT TRUMP PLANNED THESE
STRIKES ALL ALONG, OR AT LEAST SINCE AROUND A MONTH AGO WHEN
HE TOLD THE IRANIAN PEOPLE DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE
PROTESTS THAT HELP WAS AT HAND. DAVID:
LET ME TURN TO YOU ON THIS ISSUE OF DUELING EXISTENTIALISM.
YOU HAD THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL COUCHING THIS IN
EXISTENTIAL TERMS AND THEY HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE IRANIAN REGIME
AND YOU LOOK AT THE RHETORIC THIS MORNING CHARACTERIZING
THIS AS A FIGHT BEING EXISTENTIAL. JOUMANNA:
CHRISTINA: NOTHING IS OFF LIMITS AND THE
TARGETS -- NO TARGETS ARE OFF THE TABLE. DAVID:
CAN YOU TELL US THE PERILS OF THAT? JOUMANNA:
I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE QUESTION YOU ASKED PAUL IS THAT
WHETHER THE U.S. WAS ENGAGING IN THIS IN GOOD
FAITH. I WOULD ALSO ADD THE NAME OF
THE IRANIANS AND WONDER IF THEY WERE ENGAGING IN THESE
NEGOTIATIONS OF FULL FAITH AND GETTING TO A DEAL.
THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO RESPOND SO QUICKLY AS WAS -- IS
BECAUSE THEY WERE PREPARING MILITARILY FOR THE POSSIBILITY
OF AN ATTACK. BOTH SIDES WERE VERY AWARE.
THEY WERE OF AWARE OF THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE WOULD
NOT BE -- NOT HAVE A BREAKTHROUGH AND THAT IS
INTERESTING GIVEN THE RHETORIC COMING OUT OF THE MEDIATOR
YESTERDAY.
THERE IS NO DENYING THAT THE IRANIANS ARE IN A MUCH WEAKER
POSITION THAN A WE ARE -- THAN A YEAR AGO.
THIS IS AN EXISTENTIAL SITUATION FOR THEM.
JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF AN INTERNAL REGIME CHANGE.
PROTESTERS WERE BRUTALLY PUT DOWN BY THE REGIME.
THAT IS ACTUALLY THE ORIGIN FOR WHY -- ORIGINALLY THE PURPOSE
WAS TO BRING HELP TO THE DEMONSTRATORS ON THE STREETS.
IT IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.
THE IRANIANS WANTED ONE THING WHICH IS SURVIVAL.
THE INTRINSICS OF THAT IS SANCTIONS RELIEF BECAUSE THE
SANCTIONS HAVE CRIPPLED THE ECONOMY. THE CENTER OF THESE
DEMONSTRATION IS BECAUSE THE ECONOMY IS ON ITS RIGHT NOW.
RAMPANT INFLATION, GDP IN A STATE OF DECLINE.
VERY UNHAPPY YOUNGER POPULATION, RISING UNEMPLOYMENT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF SOCIOLOGICAL PRESSURE ON THE REGIME.
IDEOLOGICALLY WHAT UNDERPINS THEIR PHILOSOPHY IS THIS
RESISTANCE WHICH IS KEY TO WHAT THEY HAVE TRIED TO CREATE A
OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES, RESISTANCE IN THE
REGION OPPOSED TO THE VERY EXISTENCE OF ISRAEL.
THE SAME SECURITY OFFICIALS THAT WILL REGULARLY SAY "DEATH
TO AMERICA," FOR THEM HAVING ANSWERS TO THE
ARSENAL OF BALLISTIC MISSILES AND THE CAPABILITY TO FIRE UP
THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS IF THEY NEED TO DO SO IS INTRINSIC TO
THEIR IDENTITY. CHRISTINA: SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
WE WANT TO TELL OUR AUDIENCE THAT THE ASSOCIATED PRESS IS
SAYING THAT ONE OF THE STRIKES TOOK PLACE NEAR THE OFFICE OF
THE SUPREME LEADER. THAT IS SIGNIFICANT.
WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT THE RESULTS OF THE STRIKES WERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED THAT SOME OF THE
STRIKES HAVE LANDED CLOSE TO THAT FACILITY. DAVID:
JOE, YOU INVOKE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WAR POWERS
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE LEGACY OF WHAT HAPPENED IN VENEZUELA
AND THE ATTACK THAT WE SAW ON IRAN.
I AM CURIOUS WHAT YOU WILL BE LISTENING FOR FROM LAWMAKERS
THIS MORNING AS YOU CONSULT YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS TO SEE
WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. ARE YOU OPTIMISTIC THAT THERE
WILL BE A COALESCING MESSAGE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS THAT IS
DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN? JOE:
I THINK THE QUESTION WILL BE WILL THERE BE A REPUBLICAN
JAILBREAK BECAUSE THE WAR POWERS RESOLUTION WILL LIKELY
GET TO THE FLOOR. MIKE JOHNSON WILL ISSUE A
STATEMENT PROBABLY WITHIN THIS PROGRAM AT SOME POINT THIS
MORNING THAT WILL GIVE US A SENSE OF WHERE HIS MIND IS.
HE AND JOHN THUNE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO A NUMBER OF
LAWMAKERS INCLUDING TIM KAINE IN THE SENATE.
WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH LAWMAKERS INCLUDING DON BACON AND THE
CONGRESSMAN FROM NEW YORK. THERE ARE DIFFERENT PIECES OF
LEGISLATION THAT CAN LEAVE THIS HERE.
KEEP IN MIND WE SAW REPUBLICANS
ACROSS THE AISLE ON HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS AND TARIFFS.
IS THERE A MAGA FRIENDLY GROUP OF REPUBLICANS OR FREEDOM
CAUCUS THAT DOES NOT WANT TO SEE THIS WAR?
I WOULD SUGGEST YES. CHRISTINA:
THIS IS ALSO DIFFERENT FROM A TARGETED STRIKE.
WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE PRESIDENT, THIS IS GOING TO BE
A MUCH LONGER CAMPAIGN. PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO KEEP
FOCUSED ON AFFORDABILITY AND DOMESTIC ISSUES.
JOE: AUTHORIZATION OF THE USE OF FORCE IS LIKELY JUSTIFIED IN
THIS CASE. IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
DURATION, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS
TALKING ABOUT. DAVID:
JEFF, YOUR SENSE FROM YOUR REPORTING, AN EXTRAORDINARY
STATEMENT WE SAW THE PRESIDENT POST ONLINE.
PERHAPS YOU WOULD LET THAT SPEAK FOR ITSELF IN THE HOURS
AHEAD. JEFF: IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT
THE STATEMENT WE HAVE SEEN IS ONE THAT HE POSTED.
HE DID NOT SPEAK IN FRONT OF A GROUP OF REPORTERS.
THAT WAS NOT LIVE. I AM NOT EXPECTING THEM TO DO
ANY LIVE COMMENTS BUT HE COULD ALWAYS DO ANOTHER STATEMENT.
DAVID:
WE WILL SAY GOODBYE TO PAUL, JOUMANNA. PLEASE STAY SAFE.
OUR COVERAGE WILL CONTINUE WITH JOE AND JEFF ON SET.
>> THE U.S. AND ISRAEL HAVE LOST AN ATTACK
ON IRAN. MULTIPLE PROVINCES HAVE BEEN
HIT. IN A VIDEO ON TRUTH SOCIAL THE
PRESIDENT SAID THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO DEFEND THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
>> IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES IN
PARTICULAR LIGHT ADMINISTRATION THAT THIS TERRORIST REGIME CAN
NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
>> SOURCES TELL US THAT U.S.-ISRAEL STRIKES HAVE
ALREADY TARGETED MISSILE SITES THAT COULD STRIKE THE PERSIAN
GULF. PRESIDENT TRUMP URGED IRANIANS
TO TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT WHEN A MILITARY CAMPAIGN COMES
TO AN END. NETANYAHU AND PRESIDENT TRUMP
SAYING THAT THE JOINT STRIKES ARE TO REMOVE AN EXISTENTIAL
THREAT AND THAT IRAN MUST BE DENIED ACCESS TO NUCLEAR
WEAPONS.
HE CALLED ON IRAN TO REMOVE LEADERS OF THEIR REGIME.
TEHRAN ALSO TARGETED A U.S. BASE WITH EXPLOSIONS HURTING
QATAR KUWAIT AND QATAR.
QATAR SAID THE INTERCEPTION -- SAID THEY INTERCEPTED ATTACK
FROM THEIR TERRITORY. RUSSIA'S FOREIGN MINISTRY
CALLING THE ATTACK ON IRAN A PREPLANNED AND ON ACT OF ARMED
AGGRESSION THAT VIOLATED INTERNATIONAL LAW.
WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED THROUGHOUT THE MORNING. DAVID:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LOOKING AT THAT LIVE BLOG THAT
LISA JUST MENTIONED, IRAN APPEARS TO BE DELEGATING POWERS
TO LOCAL AUTHORITIES TO KEEP THE STATE FUNCTIONING.
THAT IS ATTRIBUTED TO THE STATE NEWS SERVICE.
WE ARE TRYING TO GET A PICTURE OF WHAT THE SITUATION IS ON THE
GROUND IN IRAN. CHRISTINA:
THE LONG-STANDING QUESTION ABOUT COMMAND AND CONTROL
ESPECIALLY THE IRGC. HERE THEY ARE ACTIVELY
DELEGATING CONTROL AND THAT COMMAND DECISION TO DIFFERENT
GROUPS IS INTERESTING AND WOULD BE CONCERNING IF I WERE AT A
U.S. INSTALLATION RIGHT NOW. DAVID:
WE WILL KEEP TRACKING THAT AS HE LOOK TO HOW THIS IS
HAPPENING IN THE UNITED STATES. WE WILL GO TO MAR-A-LAGO WHERE
THE PRESIDENT RECORDED THAT STATEMENT THAT WAS RELEASED IN
THE EARLY MORNING HOURS. SEVERAL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
WAKING UP EARLY TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND WEIGH
IN ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED. CHRISTINA:
WE WILL GO TO BLOOMBERG'S WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT WHO WAS IN
MAR-A-LAGO WITH THE PRESIDENT AND OUR CONGRESSIONAL REPORTER
IN WASHINGTON, D.C. COURTNEY, WE ARE A LITTLE
CONFUSED ABOUT HOW THIS ALL WENT DOWN.
IT SEEMS LIKE THIS VIDEO JUST POPPED UP.
NORMALLY THERE IS A PROCEDURE FOR THIS, A STATEMENT OF THIS
CONSEQUENCE WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING WARD TO THE AMERICAN
PUBLIC AND IS DONE IN FRONT OF REPORTERS.
WHERE THERE ANY JOURNALISTS IN THE ROOM?
HOW WERE YOU INFORMED THAT THE VIDEO WAS POSTED? COURTNEY:
WE WERE INFORMED JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
WE WOKE UP TO THE NEWS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
WE HAD NOT BEEN INFORMED THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS GOING TO
RECORD THIS VIDEO. WE ARE STILL WAITING TO HEAR
FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. OUR CALL TIME TO GATHER FOR US
TO GO OVER TO MAR-A-LAGO HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK TWICE SO FAR.
WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THEM ABOUT ANY PLANS FOR A PRESS
CONFERENCE. IT SEEMS THAT THEY ARE SO FAR
LATE IN -- LETTING THE MESSAGE THAT THE PRESIDENT DELIVERED ON
VIDEO PLAY OUT. DAVID:
WE SAT DOWN WITH HAKEEM JEFFRIES YESTERDAY AND IN THAT
CONVERSATION WE ASKED ABOUT THE PROSPECTS OF THE U.S.
GOING TO WAR AND THE PLANS THAT HE HAS FOR A VOTE ON THE WAR
POWERS RESOLUTION.
LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAD TO SAY AND ASK SOME QUESTIONS ON
THE OTHER SIDE.
>> WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS RECLAIM OUR AUTHORITY AS A
SEPARATE AND COEQUAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.
UNFORTUNATELY OUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES HAVE DECLINED.
>> HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
>> WE CAN DO THAT BY BEGINNING TO ACTUALLY BRING LEGISLATION
TO THE FLOOR THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE VALUES OF OUR FRAMERS.
THEY GAVE THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THE AUTHORITY
AS IT RELATES TO APPROPRIATIONS BECAUSE THEY KNEW TAXATION AND
SPENDING WERE PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT AND THE HOUSE WAS THE
CLOSEST INSTITUTION TO THE PEOPLE.
THEY ALSO GAVE US THE AUTHORITY AS IT RELATES TO TRADE AND
TARIFFS AND THEY GAVE US THE AUTHORITY AS IT RELATES TO THE
POWER TO DECLARE WAR. UNFORTUNATELY OVER TIME WE HAVE
SEEN AN EROSION OF CONGRESS EXERCISING THAT AUTHORITY.
OUR COMMITMENT ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS TO REGAIN
THAT.
>> CAN YOU DO ANYTHING TO STOP A PRESIDENT WHO DECIDES TO TAKE
MILITARY ACTION LIKE THIS?
>> WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN ON BEHALF OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CLEARLY KNOW
THAT THE LAST THING WE NEED AT THIS MOMENT, WHEN THEY ARE
LITERALLY STRUGGLING TO CHOOSE BETWEEN PAYING RENT, BUYING
GROCERIES OR GETTING TO GO SEE A DOCTOR WHEN THEY NEED ONE,
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE IN THIS COUNTRY.
THE LAST THING WE NEED IS ANOTHER FAILED FOREIGN FOREVER
WAR WHICH CERTAINLY WOULD BE THE OUTCOME IF DONALD TRUMP
DECIDES TO GET US ENTANGLED IN IRAN IN THE MIDDLE EAST. DAVID:
COMMENTS FROM THE MINORITY LEADER IN THE HOUSE BEFORE THE
PRESIDENT LAUNCHED THESE ATTACKS.
WE HAVE BEEN SIFTING THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND REACHING
OUT TO CONGRESSIONAL OFFICES FOR REACTION.
YOU CAN HEAR THE CIVICS LESSON THAT THE MINORITY LEADER MADE
AT THE TOP. IT WOULD STRIKE A LOT OF
AMERICANS AS NOVEL IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE HAVE SEEN.
HOW HAS THE CONVERSATION SHIFTED ON THE HILL IN THE FEW
HOURS THAT THE SUN HAS BEEN UP IN WASHINGTON, D.C.?
>> WE ARE SEEING PREDICTABLE REACTIONS FROM THE LEFT AND THE
RIGHT. WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE
CENTER.
THE PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS CALLING FOR A MEETING VOTE AND TIM
KAINE CALLING FOR A SENATE VOTE. BASICALLY DEMOCRATS POINT TO
WHAT HAPPENED IN THE VENEZUELAN SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS A
SUCCESSFUL SENATE VOTE.
VENEZUELAN WAR POWERS THEIR RESOLUTION INITIALLY AND THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CHANGED SOME OF THEIR TACTICS.
THEY CALLED IT THE SECOND STRIKE THAT NEGOTIATED WITH
MARCO RUBIO BEFORE THE SENATE TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF.
WE ARE SEEING A STATEMENT FROM MARK WARNER, THE INTELLIGENCE
TOP DEMOCRATS SAYING THAT WE NEED JUSTIFICATION AND THIS
ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO COME FORWARD AND FULLY BRIEFED
CONGRESS AND SAY WHY THEY ARE DOING THIS.
THIS MIDNIGHT VIDEO IN A GOLF HAT BY THE PRESIDENT IS NOT
SUFFICIENT JUSTIFICATION. THE STATE OF THE UNION BARELY
MENTIONED IRAN. THEY WANT TO HEAR MORE AND WE
WANT TO FIND OUT IF THESE VOTES WILL GO FORWARD NEXT WEEK IN
THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE ON A WAR POWERS RESOLUTION.
THE PRESIDENT CAN VETO THE ORIGINAL WAR POWERS RESOLUTION
WAS NOT ABLE TO BE VETOED. BUT IT COULD PUT PRESSURE ON
HIM TO LIMIT THE STRIKES IF THERE IS A STRONG SHOWING FROM
REPUBLICANS SHOWING THAT THEY ARE NOT ON BOARD WITH THIS.
DAVID: THAT IS ERIK WASSON WHO COVERS
THE NEWS AND COURTNEY SUBRAMANIAN WHO COVERS THE
WHITE HOUSE. SHE IS IN MAR-A-LAGO WITH THE
PRESIDENT COVERING HIS MOVEMENTS OVER THE COURSE OF
THESE NEXT TWO DAYS. CHRISTINA: THANK YOU TO YOU BOTH AND THANK
YOU FOR ANSWERING OUR EMAILS VERY EARLY THIS MORNING.
WE HAVE MICHAEL ALLEN JOINING US THIS MORNING.
HE SERVED UNDER PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH.
WE WANT TO START WITH YOU. I AM WONDERING WHAT YOU THINK
THE AIM OF THE STRIKE WAS. THERE IS A SUGGESTION THAT THIS
WAS AN EFFORT TO DECAPITATE IRAN'S LEADERSHIP WHICH IS
SOMETHING THE U.S. HAS SO FAR AVOIDED IN THESE
STRATEGIC STRIKES. WHY DO THAT NOW AND DO WE THINK
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVE? MICHAEL:
I AM A LITTLE SURPRISED MYSELF HOW EXPLICIT PRESIDENT TRUMP
WAS IN HIS REMARKS, CALLING OUT THESE REVOLUTIONARY GUARD CORPS
AND TRYING TO SET THE CONDITIONS FOR REGIME CHANGE.
HE WENT BACK TO HIS ORIGINAL JUSTIFICATION TO GET INVOLVED
IN IRAN. REMEMBER WEEKS AGO WHEN HE SAID
WE WERE LOCKED AND LOADED AND READY TO HELP THE PROTESTERS.
IT IS REMARKABLE THAT HE SAID PLEASE, PEOPLE STAY IN YOUR
HOUSES FOR NOW BUT WHEN THE BOMBING IS OVER, YOU SHOULD GO
BACK AND TAKE OUT YOUR GOVERNMENT.
IN A SENSE THIS IS CLASSIC TRUMP .
GO BIG AND THAT IS WHAT HE HAS DONE. DAVID:
I'M CURIOUS OF WHAT THIS SAYS ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THE IRAN
PROJECT AND THE IMPLICATIONS FOR REGIME CHANGE.
THERE IS HOPE FOR IT. SOME HAVE BEEN AGITATING FOR
THIS KIND OF MILITARY ACTION. WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT THE
EVOLUTION THAT WE SAW THIS ADMINISTRATION TAKE THIS TIME?
MICHAEL: I THINK WHAT IS DIFFERENT IS
THE STATE OF THE STATE-OF-THE-ART RAINY IN
ECONOMY PLUS WIDESPREAD DISAFFECTION AMONG EVERY CLASS
AND GREED ACROSS THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC.
THE PROTESTS AS YOU ALL ARE WHERE WERE THE MOST BROAD-BASED
IN OUR ANCESTRY SINCE 1979. -- IN IRAN'S HISTORY SINCE 1979.
IF YOU PUT TOGETHER A GROWING BALLISTIC MISSILE PROGRAM AND A
PRESIDENT WHO WANTS TO DO BIG THINGS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP I
THINK IN GENERAL HAS USED MILITARY FORCE AGGRESSIVELY.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT SET THE CONDITIONS FOR THE UNITED
STATES GETTING INVOLVED AND GOING BIG.
I THINK IT WAS A HEAD FAKE WHEN PEOPLE LEAKED A FEW DAYS AGO
THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO SYMBOLIC STRIKES.
HE IS GOING LARGE, HE IS GOING AFTER THEM.
WITH THE HELP OF ISRAEL I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THE
SUPREME LEADER AND DECAPITATE THE REGIME. CHRISTINA:
THE GOAL OF ALLIES -- THE GULF ALLIES ARE NOT FRIENDS OF IRAN.
THIS REGIME HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC FOR A LOT OF FOLKS,
EVEN WITH DIRECT -- EVEN THOSE WITH DIRECT DIPLOMATIC
RELATIONS. I WONDER WHAT THIS MEANS FOR
THOSE IN THE REGION. THE DIPLOMATS FROM THOSE
COUNTRIES REALLY DID NOT WANT THIS ACTION FOR A COUPLE OF
REASONS. THEY ARE NOT SURE WHAT COMES
AFTER IF THIS REGIME FALLS. THERE IS NO CIVIL SOCIETY IN
IRAN. THERE IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE CIVIL SOCIETY IN IRAN.
THAT STRUCTURE DOES NOT EXIST. THEY ARE AFRAID OF A POWER
VACUUM THAT THEY HAVE SEEN IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN AND WHAT
THAT DOES TO REGIONAL STABILITY. I AM WONDERING WHAT THAT DOES
TO THE U.S. RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE ALLIES.
THOSE ARE LOCATED IN OTHER COUNTRIES.
WE HAVE A BASE ON THE BIGGEST IN THE AREA IN QATAR.
WE HAVE REPORTS THAT NAVAL OPERATIONS WERE STRUCK.
WHAT DOES THIS DO FOR AMERICA'S RELATIONSHIP WITH GULF ALLIES?
MICHAEL: BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THESE
ALLIES WERE NOT THRILLED BECAUSE THEY ARE READY TO MOVE
ON TO GROW THEIR ECONOMIES. THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN A
GEOPOLITICAL FIGHT AROUND THE REGION.
SECOND I THINK THEY WANT AND VALUE STABILITY NOT ONLY FOR
ECONOMIC REASONS BUT FOR THEIR OWN REGIMES.
THEY DON'T LIKE THE EXAMPLE OF POPULAR UPRISINGS TOPPLING
MONARCHIES, IF YOU WILL. BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THEY WERE
NOT THRILLED WITH THIS. THEY ARE NOT FRIENDS OF IRAN
AND IF THINGS TURN OUT TO BE A GREAT SCENARIO, I THINK THEY
WILL REJOICE. I THINK PRIVATELY RIGHT NOW
THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT IT AND AS YOU KNOW, IRAN WENT BIG ON
RETALIATION THIS MORNING. THEY HIT AS MANY AS FIVE EUROPE
COUNTRIES. IRAN CLEARLY VIEWS THIS AS AN
EXISTENTIAL THREAT. THEY ARE MAKING GOOD ON THEIR
PROMISES TO ATTEMPT TO REGIONAL ALLIES THE WAR.
I THINK THAT IS ANOTHER REASON THE GULF STATES ARE
UNCOMFORTABLE. DAVID: WE WILL BRING IN RETIRED
GENERAL JOHN ALLEN TO THIS CONVERSATION.
I WANT TO GET YOUR REACTION TO THE MILITARY MIGHT THAT WAS
MARSHALED TO THE GULF AHEAD OF THE STRIKES, WHAT YOU WERE
THINKING AS IT HAPPENED AND HOW YOU ARE THINKING THROUGH THE
NEXT STAGES. THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN
CENTERED ON HOME LONG THIS WILL LAST -- HOW LONG THIS WILL LAST
AND THE REACTION GOING FORWARD. HOW ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT
THOSE TWO THINGS? THE U.S. PREPAREDNESS AND HOW LONG IT IS
GOING TO BE? JOHN: IT WILL GO ON AS LONG AS THE
U.S. BELIEVES THAT ITS TARGETS LIST
NEED TO BE SERVICED. WE ARE STRIKING COUNTERFORCE
TARGETS AND THE MILITARY TARGETS WE ARE STRIKING COMMAND
AND CONTROL. ISRAELIS OUR GOING AFTER
LEADERSHIP. WE WILL CONTINUE TO STRIKE
THOSE TARGET LISTS AS LONG AS WE BELIEVE THAT OUR PURPOSES
AND OBJECTIVES WILL BE SERVED BY THAT.
WITH REGARD TO THE REGION, FOR MANY YEARS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING
WITH OUR PARTNERS AND ALLIES IN THE REGION TO HAVE A NETWORKED
COUNTER MISSILE DEFENSE, AIR DEFENSE AND MISSILE DEFENSE
CAPABILITIES. MANY OF THOSE COUNTRIES HAVE
SIMILAR CAPABILITIES TO OURS. OUR DESTROYERS IN THE REGION
HAVE THE SM3 AND THE CAPABILITIES TO ENGAGE
BALLISTIC MISSILES ACROSS THE REGION AS TO OUR PARTNERS.
WE ARE GOING TO WANT TO SUPPORT OUR PARTNERS AS BEST WE CAN.
IRANIANS NOT SURPRISINGLY WENT INTO HORIZONTAL ESCALATION
IMMEDIATELY ATTACKING U.S. BASES AROUND THE REGION.
WE ALSO WANT TO SUPPORT OUR ALLIES AGAINST ONE OF THE
REALLY GREAT THREATS THAT IRAN HAS APART FROM ITS NUCLEAR
PROGRAM AND THAT IS THE DESTABILIZATION OF ITS SUPPORT
TO TERRORISM BECAUSE OF THE SUPPORT TO TERRORISM.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE IRANIAN PROXY GROUPS IN IRAQ AND OTHER
PLACES THAT OFFER A DESTABILIZING THREAT TO OUR
PARTNERS. WE WILL SUPPORT THEM IN
COUNTERTERRORISM AND WE WILL SUPPORT THEM IN COUNTERING
BALLISTIC MISSILES. WE WILL CONTINUE TO SERVICE OUR
TARGET LIST UNTIL WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED OUR OBJECTIVES.
CHRISTINA: GENERAL, I WANT TO ASK YOU
ABOUT THE PROXY GROUPS AND ABOUT IRAN'S RESPONSE AND
MILITARY CAPABILITIES. WE HAVE HEZBOLLAH, HAMAS AND
THE HOUTHIS. BUT IT'S UNCLEAR HOW MUCH OF A
STOCKPILE LEFT AFTER THESE BACK-AND-FORTHS WE HAVE SEEN
BETWEEN ISRAEL AND IRAN. THEY HAVE ROCKETS, INTERMEDIATE
AND SHORT-RANGE WEAPONS. THAT WAS ONE OF THE STICKING
POINTS OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS IS THE U.S.
ALWAYS WANTED THESE ON THE TABLE.
THEY WANTED IRAN TO GET RID OF THOSE AND THAT WAS LIKE A
NONSTARTER FOR TEHRAN AS WELL. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE
U.S. CAPABILITIES ARE AND HOW LONG
THE U.S. CAN LAST IN THIS. DO WE TO KNOW HOW LONG IRAN CAN
FIGHT BACK AT SOME LEVEL THAT IS DANGEROUS? JOHN:
WE SHOULD EXPECT THAT THE IRANIANS WILL DEPLETE THEIR
ROCKET AND MISSILE INVENTORIES IN RETRIBUTION AND
COUNTERATTACKING THE AMERICAN ATTACK.
THEY WILL ATTACK AMERICAN FORCES IN THE ARAB STATES.
THEY MAY GO FOR THE ARABIAN CAPITALS THEMSELVES.
THEY ARE QUITE VULNERABLE. THE ARABS HAVE CAPACITY TO
DEFEND THEMSELVES BUT WE HAVE NETWORK TO THIS AS MUCH AS WE
CAN. I DON'T THINK WE KNOW EXACTLY
HOW MANY MISSILES AND ROCKETS IRANIANS HAVE.
MISSILES ARE GUIDED. THE ROCKETS ARE BALLISTIC.
THE IRANIANS HAVE A REALLY FORMIDABLE ARSENAL WITH THOSE
CAPABILITIES. I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL SEE THEM
STRIKING AS MUCH AS THEY CAN FOR AS LONG AS THEY CAN.
REMEMBER, THEIR CAPACITY TO PROJECT ANY LEGITIMACY TO THEIR
PEOPLE IS GOING TO BE HOW THEY APPEAR TO BE DEFENDING IRAN
FROM THE AMERICANS AND FROM THE ISRAELIS.
THE MOMENT THAT IT APPEARS THAT THE IRANIAN SKIES ARE WIDE OPEN
AND BY AND LARGE THEY ARE WIDE OPEN FROM THE PREVIOUS STRIKES
TAKING OUT THEIR CAPABILITIES AND IT APPEARS THAT THEY ARE
UNABLE TO DEFEND IRAN AS AN ENTITY, THEY BECOME
ILLEGITIMATE VERY QUICKLY AND THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET WE
KNOW FOR A LONG TIME HAVE BELIEVED THAT THIS REGIME HAS
GOT TO GO. I THINK ONE OF PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S OBJECTIVE HERE IS TO CREATE THE CONDITIONS WHEREBY
THE POPULAR SUPPORT TO THE REGIME CAN ULTIMATELY OVERCOME
THE REGIME ITSELF. DAVID: THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK
YOU TO MICHAEL ALLEN AS WELL FOR HELPING US PIECED TOGETHER
WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND THE LIKELY PATH FORWARD.
TOP OF MIND AS WELL AS WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE GLOBAL ECONOMY,
WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE MARKETS. IT IS SATURDAY BUT A LOT OF
THOUGHT IS GOING INTO WHAT IS HAPPENING ON MONDAY MORNING
WHEN THE MARKETS BEGIN TRAINING -- TRADING ONCE AGAIN.
TOM KEENE JOINS US ON SET. AT A MOMENT LIKE THIS, WE THINK
OF ASSETS LIKE OIL. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT?
TOM: WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS DUBAI
BEING SHUT DOWN WHICH IS NO SURPRISE WITH THE PROXIMITY TO
IRAN. IT WILL BE DESTRUCTIVE TO ALL
THE LOGISTICS AND SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE.
IT DOES NOT START MONDAY MORNING.
IF YOU ARE IN THE BUSINESS, MONDAY IS 5:00 P.M.
SUNDAY NIGHT. AT 5:00 P.M. SUNDAY WE WILL GET A GOOD LOOK
WITH BRENT CRUDE OPENING IN LONDON.
THERE IS SPECULATION OUT THERE, I DO NOT WANT TO QUOTE A NUMBER
BUT CLOSING AT $73 ON BRENT CRUDE. WHERE WILL THAT GO?
WE WILL HAVE TO SEE. WE HAVE TIME TO WORK THAT OUT
FOR THE LONDON OPENING. WITH THE 10 YEAR YIELD WELL
UNDER THE 4% LEVEL, I HAVE TO SAY WHEN IN DOUBT, FOLLOW THE
SWISS FRANC. THAT WILL BE THE METER HERE.
DAVID: THE CLASSIC HAVEN ASSET. PERHAPS INDICATING THAT THEY
CAN PRODUCE PRODUCTION IN LIGHT OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE.
WE HAVE SEEN MARKETS SO ENURED TO THESE EVENTS LATELY.
VENEZUELA. WHAT IF YOU MAKE OF THAT --
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? TOM: THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
THE CLEAREST MEMORY BEING IN THE BLOOMBERG CONTROL ROOM, WE
HAD A GEOGRAPHIC ATLAS AND I OPENED IT UP AND I SAID, YOU
HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME.
IRAN IS THE SIZE OF FIVE FRANCES.
IRAQ IS A QUARTER OF THE GEOGRAPHY OF IRAN. CHRISTINA:
IT IS NOT JUST IRAN'S OIL SUPPLY. WE HAVE SEEN THEM STRIKE
AGAINST U.S. ALLIES. WE HAVE SEEN THEM HIT SAUDI
FACILITIES BEFORE. COULD IT BE A BIGGER ISSUE?
LISTENING TO THE PRESIDENT SAY THIS COULD BE A PROLONGED
CONFLICT, ARE THE MARKETS MORE LIKELY TO REACT TO THAT THAN A
TARGETED STRIKE? TOM: WE HAVE TO SEE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECULATION ON THAT.
ONE OF THE GREAT SERIES I SAW IN THESE EARLY HOURS IS MICHAEL.
HE SAID THIS IS ONLY GOING TO BE FROM THE AIR.
THE QUESTION HERE THAT YOU HAVE IS WHERE IS THE BOOTS ON THE
GROUND AND THERE SEEMS TO BE NO PLANS FOR THAT. DAVID:
WE WILL GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE OVER THE COURSE OF THE MORNING.
NOT WHAT WE HAD PLANNED BUT WELL-POSITIONED TO COVER.
CHRISTINA: IT WAS NOT BUT THIS IS WHY WE
ARE HERE ON THE WEEKENDS AND WE WANT TO BRING YOU EVERYTHING
YOU NEED TO KNOW AS THESE STORIES UNFOLD. DAVID:
TOM KEENE IS WITH US. WE WILL GO BACK TO JOE MATHIEU
AND JEFF MASON, RECAPPING THE NEWS. THE U.S.
LAUNCHING STRIKES IN CONCERT WITH ISRAEL ON IRAN.
AS THE SUPREME LEADER OF THAT COUNTRY PROMISED, MISSILES ARE
FLYING ACROSS THE MIDDLE EAST. DUBAI AND WHAT IS HAPPENING
THERE, A LOT OF ANXIETY. CHRISTINA:
IRAN SAYING ANYTHING IS ON THE TABLE AND THERE ARE NO RED
LINES. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE
U.S.? WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE MIDDLE EAST?
WE HAVE MORE IN THE NEXT HOUR STARTING NOW. STICK WITH US.
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CHRISTINA: WELCOME BACK TO BLOOMBERG "THIS
WEEKEND." I'M CHRISTINA RUFFINI. DAVID: WE ARE COVERING A LOT OF
BREAKING NEWS OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST. THE U.S. TAKING
EXTRAORDINARY STRIKES ON IRAN. WE HAVE A STATEMENT FROM THE
PRESIDENT HE POSTED IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANALYSIS OVER THE COURSE OF THIS MORNING.
AS WE WILL EVERY WEEKEND ON BLOOMBERG TELEVISION, BLOOMBERG
RADIO STREAMING, ON THE BLOOMBERG BUSINESS APP, AND AT
BLOOMBERG.COM AS WELL. WE WERE WELCOMED EARLY BY ALL
OF THIS NEWS. CHRISTINA: QUITE EARLY.
THIS IS NOT QUITE THE SHOW WE HAD PLANNED, BUT THIS IS WHY WE
ARE HERE. THIS IS ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS
OF BEING OUT BLOOMBERG. I WAS UP STARTING AT 1:30.
I THINK YOU WERE SHORTLY AFTER US. WE ARE GOING TO GO TO LISA
MATEO, WHO IS GOING TO CATCH US UP ON THE HEADLINES. LISA:
A MASSIVE OPERATION IS UNDERWAY AND THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT
TEHRAN DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
THE PRESIDENT SAID THE MILITARY OPERATION BEGAN AFTER IRAN
REFUSED TO RENOUNCE NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
HE AND ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU CALLED ON
IRANIANS TO OVERTHROW THE REGIME.
SEVERAL LARGE EXPLOSIONS WERE REPORTED IN TEHRAN.
IRAN QUICKLY RETALIATED. MISSILES TARGETING U.S.
BASES AND INTEREST IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THAT INCLUDES THE
UNITED ARAB INTERESTS -- UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, BAHRAIN.
AND QATAR AND THE UAE REPORTED INTERCEPTIONS INTO THEIR
TERRITORY. U.S.
EMBASSIES IN BAHRAIN AND QATAR HAVE ISSUED SHELTER-IN-PLACE
ORDERS FOR ALL OF THEIR PERSONNEL, BUT ALSO U.S.
CITIZENS IN THE AREA. SEVERAL COUNTRIES IN THE AREA
CLOSING THAT AIRSPACE AND THAT IS DISRUPTING COMMERCIAL
FLIGHTS IN THE AREA. I WANT TO POINT OUT OIL AS WELL.
OPEC-PLUS IS NOW CONSIDERING A LARGE SUPPLY INCREASE WHEN KEY
MEMBERS ARE MEETING ON SUNDAY. QUICK NOTE ON THE BLOG.
RESIDENTS IN DUBAI REPORT SOUNDS OF BLASTS.
ALSO TO GIVE A SENSE OF THE SCALE OF U.S.
AND ISRAELI STRIKES, THEY TARGETED MORE THAN 20 OF THE
COUNTRY'S 31 PROVINCES. NO WORK ON IF OR WHEN THE
PRESIDENT WILL SPEAK ON THE BUT WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON
THAT. CHRISTINA: WE ARE GETTING AN EMAIL FROM
OUR COLLEAGUE, JOUMANNA BERCETCHE.
SHE SAID SHE HEARD THE LAST STRIKE HAPPENING IN THE UAE.
THERE ARE REPORTS OF MORE STRIKES IN THE UAE AND QATAR.
WE WANT TO PLAY SOME MORE OF THE SOUND FROM THAT STARTLING
ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES STATEMENT THE PRESIDENT DROPPED ON SOCIAL
MEDIA THIS MORNING. HE DID NOT CALL THE PRESS POOL.
HE DID NOT NOTIFY EVERYONE. WE TALKED TO TOWER REPORTER IN
MAR-A-LAGO, AND SHE SAID SHE FOUND OUT WHEN THE REST OF THE
WORLD THAT. SOME OF THE REMARKABLE THINGS
IN THAT STATEMENT, INCLUDING A DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST IRAN.
THE PRESIDENT SAID THIS CAMPAIGN COULD COST AMERICAN
LIVES. AS BAMA THE LIVES OF COURAGEOUS
AMERICAN HEROES MAY BE LOST THEN WE MAY HAVE CASUALTIES.
THAT OFTEN HAPPENS IN WAR. BUT WE ARE DOING THIS NOT FOR
NOW, WE'RE DOING THIS FOR THE FUTURE.
AND IT IS A NOBLE MISSION. WE PRAY FOR EVERY SERVICE
MEMBER AS THEY SELFLESSLY RISKED THEIR LIVES TO ENSURE
THAT AMERICANS AND OUR CHILDREN WILL NEVER BE THREATENED BY A
NUCLEAR-ARMED IRAN. THE ASK GOD TO PROTECT ALL OF
OUR HEROES IN HARMS WAY AND WE TRUST THAT, WITH HIS HELP, THE
MEN AND WOMEN OF THE ARMED FORCES WILL PREVAIL.
WE HAVE THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD AND THEY WILL PREVAIL.
TO THE MEMBERS OF THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTIONARY GUARD.
THE ARMED FORCES. AND ALL OF THE POLICE.
I SAY TONIGHT, YOU MUST LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS AND HAVE
COMPLETE IMMUNITY. OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE PHASE
CERTAIN DEATH.
SO, LAY DOWN YOUR ARMS. YOU WILL BE TREATED FAIRLY,
WITH TOTAL IMMUNITY, OR YOU WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH.
FINALLY, TO THE GREAT, PROUD PEOPLE OF IRAN, I SAY TONIGHT
THAT THE HOUR OF YOUR FREEDOM IS AT HAND.
STAY SHELTERED, DON'T LEAVE YOUR HOME.
IT IS VERY DANGEROUS OUTSIDE. BOMBS WILL BE DROPPING
EVERYWHERE. WHEN WE ARE FINISHED, TAKE OVER
HERE GOVERNMENT. -- OVER YOUR GOVERNMENT.
IT WILL BE YOURS TO TAKE. THIS WILL BE, PROBABLY, YOUR
ONLY CHANCE FOR GENERATIONS. FOR MANY YEARS YOU HAVE ASKED
FOR AMERICA'S HELP, BUT YOU NEVER GOT IT.
NO PRESIDENT WAS WILLING TO DO WHAT I AM WILLING TO DO TONIGHT.
NOW YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS GIVING YOU WHAT YOU WANT.
SO, LET'S SEE HOW YOU RESPOND. AMERICA IS BACKING YOU WITH
OVERWHELMING STRENGTH AND DEVASTATING FORCE.
NOW IS THE TIME TO SEIZE CONTROL OF YOUR DESTINY AND TO
UNLEASH THE PROSPEROUS AND GLORIOUS FUTURE THAT IS CLOSE
WITHIN YOUR REACH. THIS IS THE MOMENT FOR ACTION.
DO NOT LET IT PASS. GOD BLESS THE BRAVE MEN AND
WOMEN OF AMERICA'S ARMED FORCES. MAY GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA. THEY GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
THANK YOU. DAVID: THE LAST TWO MINUTES OF THAT
EXTRAORDINARY STATEMENT THIS MORNING, RELEASED WELL BEFORE
DAWN. I'M GOING TO BRING IN DAN
WILLIAMS, A JERUSALEM-BASED CORRESPONDENCE, JOE MATHIEU,
AND JEFF MASON, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT IN NEW YORK.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT YOU HAVE BEEN HEARING THESE
STRIKES WHERE YOU ARE SITTING. I WANT TO GO TO THAT ENTREE
FROM THE PRESIDENT, URGING IRANIANS TO LAY DOWN THEIR
WEAPONS. THESE ARE AIRSTRIKES.
ONE WONDERS WHAT THE NEXT LOGICAL STEPS WOULD BE.
I'M CURIOUS HOW YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT.
THE PRESIDENT CALLING FOR IRANIANS TO RISE UP, CALLING ON
THE REVOLUTIONARY GUARD. WHAT MECHANISM IS IN PLACE?
TALK ABOUT THAT IN THESE NEXT FEW HOURS AND DAYS.
>> IT IS A HUGE CHALLENGE. FROM WHAT WE CAN GATHER THE
RETALIATION THAT ALL OF THE SKULL STATES HAVE SEEN AND
WITNESSED OVER THE LAST FEW HOURS SUGGESTS THE IRANIAN
REGIME IS NOT GOING TO GO QUIETLY.
HAVE BEEN READYING THEMSELVES FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF MILITARY
ACTION. THEY HAVE RESPONDED QUICKLY.
IN THE 12 DAY WAR THE -- IT TOOK THEM TIME TO CALIBRATE THE
RESPONSE. THIS TIME THEY WERE READY TO GO
ON THEY HAVE TARGETED MULTIPLE COUNTRIES.
I'M IN DUBAI AND I HEARD A COUPLE OF BLASTS.
IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THEY ARE NOT SPARING ANY GULF STATES.
INSOFAR AS U.S. HAS ASSETS IN THOSE COUNTRIES.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE UAE, QATAR, JORDAN, KUWAIT, IRAQ.
ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES ARE INVOLVED.
IT HAS BECOME A REGIONAL WAR. WHAT WE KNOW FROM AUTHORITIES
IN THESE COUNTRIES IS THAT MOST OF THE MISSILES AND DRONES HAVE
BEEN INTERCEPTED. THE GUNTER. -- FOR FEAR TO BE ANY CIVILIAN
CASUALTIES. THERE HAS BEEN ONE CASUALTY IN
ABU DHABI ON THE BACK OF SHRAPNEL.
BUT THAT IS THE BIGGER ISSUE HERE, BECAUSE A SHORT WHILE AGO
IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE FOREIGN MINISTER DID MAKE A
CALL TO HIS COUNTERPARTS IN THOSE COUNTRIES AND WON THEM
ABOUT THEM ALLOWING THE U.S. TO USE THEIR BASES TO LAUNCH
FURTHER STRIKES ON IRAN.
THIS WOULD SUGGEST IRAN ARE WRITTEN ON RETALIATING.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEMONSTRATORS, A MONTH AGO
THERE WAS AN UPRISING. IT WAS BRUTALLY PUT DOWN, AND
THE UNOFFICIAL NUMBERS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH -- WE DON'T
KNOW THE EXACT DEATH TOLL, BUT THE NUMBERS PUT FORWARD BY
HUMAN RIGHTS AGENCIES SUGGEST MORE THAN 30,000 PEOPLE WERE
KILLED IN THESE MINISTRATIONS -- DEMONSTRATIONS.
THERE IS A WARINESS IN TEHRAN AMONGST THE POPULATION AND A
REAL QUESTION AS TO WHAT EXACTLY U.S.
ASSISTANCE LOOKS LIKES AND IF THE FOCUS IS TO TARGET MILITARY
INFRASTRUCTURE, PERHAPS KEY INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE REGIME.
BUT IN TERMS OF ACTUAL SUPPORT ON THE GROUND, WHAT DOES THAT
LOOK LIKE? ONCE AGAIN, THE STAKES ARE HIGH
AND THIS IS A REGIME THAT IS VERY INTENT ON ITS OWN SURVIVAL.
IT IS AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THEM.
THEY WILL NOT GO DOWN EASILY. CHRISTINA:
IRANIAN EX-PATS I HAVE SPOKEN TO RECENTLY WHO DESPISE THIS
REGIME WITH EVERY FIBER OF THEIR TEAM STILL HAVE FAMILY IN
TEHRAN. I TALKED TO A WOMAN WHO SAID
HER FAMILY, SHE HAD NOT SPOKEN TO THEM IN DAYS DURING THE LAST
ROUND OF STRIKES BECAUSE THEY HAD GONE TO THE MOUNTAINS.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO
APPEAL TO, AND AT THE SAME TIME THESE ARE PEOPLE BEING PUT IN
HARM'S WAY, AS WELL AS OUR COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDS
THROUGHOUT THE REGION. DAN, I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE
OUTSIDE AND SAFE. I HOPE YOU HAVE EMERGED FROM A
SHELTER. I WONDER IF WE ARE HEARING
ANYTHING MORE FROM THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT THIS MONEY?
I REACHED OUT TO THE EMBASSY AND THEY SAID THEY ARE NOT
SPEAKING IT. I WONDER IF YOU ARE HEARING
ANYTHING ON YOUR SIDE OF THE WORLD? DAN: AS OF NOW, NO.
THERE HAVE BEEN PROCEDURAL UPDATES, FOR EXAMPLE FROM THE
TRANSPORTATION MINISTER. THE ISRAELI AIRSPACE IS CLOSED,
AS ARE THE HEIRS BASES OF OTHER RELEVANT COUNTRIES IN THE
REGION. THAT WILL AFFECT AIR TRAFFIC,
TRAVEL, AND THE LIKE. THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN CALLED TO
SHELTERS REGULARLY. USUALLY DIVVIED UP BY SECTOR
COME ABOUT COMMUNITY, BY PART OF THE COUNTRY.
THE ISRAELIS HAVE BEEN WEATHERED TO SUCH ATTACKS,
GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1991, THE GULF WAR.
OF THOSE 3.5 DECADES, THEY HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING A SOPHISTICATED
SYSTEM THAT HOMES DOWN TO THE AREAS LIKELY TO BE AFFECTED BY
ANY SPECIFIC LAUNCH. BASICALLY, IF YOU ARE IN THE
LINE OF FIRE WHERE YOU HAPPEN TO LIVE OR POTENTIALLY IN THE
LINE OF FIRE FOR DEBRIS THAT COULD EMERGE FOR THE
INTERCEPTION OF A MISSILE INTENDED FOR ANOTHER PART OF
THE COUNTRY, YOU WILL RECEIVE A TIMELY WARNING TO GO DOWN TO
SHELTERS. THAT HAS HAPPENED A HALF-DOZEN
TIMES SINCE THIS BLEW UP JUST PAST 8:00 A.M.
THIS MORNING JUST PAST 10:00 IN THE GULF.
IRANIANS HAVE SUCCEEDED IN SCORING STRIKES IN THOSE GOLF
TARGETS.
IT COMES DOWN AS MUCH TO RANGES ANYTHING ELSE.
ISRAEL IS WELL OVER 1000 KILOMETERS AWAY.
THOSE GOLF TARGETS ARE IN SOME CASES JUST A FEW HUNDRED
KILOMETERS AWAY FROM THE IRANIAN LAUNCH POINTS.
THAT MEANS THERE IS FAR LESS TIME TO PREPARE FOR THOSE
MISSILES, TO MOUNT AN INTERCEPTION.
OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU ARE ACROSS THE REGION, THEN IT IS EASIER
TO TRACK THOSE MISSILES. I SUSPECT AFTER PRIME MINISTER
NETANYAHU PUT OUT THAT MESSAGE VERY CLOSE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
MESSAGE -- IN FACT, THE CONTENT TRACKING ALMOST EXACTLY WITH
WHAT TRUMP SAID -- THE ISRAELIS ALSO CALLING ON THE IRANIAN
PEOPLE OF ALL COMMUNITIES AND SECTORS TO RISE UP AND TAKE
HOLD OF THEIR DESTINY. NOW THAT THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT
IS APPARENTLY RECEIVING A DRUBBING AT THE COMBINED HANDS
OF THE U.S. AND ISRAELI FORCES.
WE WILL NOT HEAR BACK FROM HIM AT NIGHTFALL WHEN THE JEWISH
SABBATH ENDS. CHRISTINA:
IN JUNE DURING THAT 12 DAY BACK-AND-FORTH WE DID WATCH THE
IRON DOME VERY SUCCESSFULLY INTERCEPT MOST OF THOSE
MUNITIONS. THERE WERE A FEW THAT GOT
THROUGH, BUT FOR THE MOST PART WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS THE
INTERCEPTORS GOING OUT AND TAKING OUT THOSE.
YOUR HONOR THIS WAS A POSSIBILITY AND RECALCULATED
WHAT THEY WOULD STRIKE. DAVID: LET ME TALK ABOUT THIS THEME OF
SURPRISE.
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT LAWMAKERS AND HOW SURPRISED THEY WERE.
JACK REED IS THE RANKING MEMBER OF THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE
AND WAS GIVEN NO ADVANCE NOTICE. ONE WONDERS ABOUT THE GANG OF
EIGHT, THE LEADERSHIP FROM THE HOUSE AND SENATE, THE LEADING
MEMBERS OF THE SELECT INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES AS WELL.
ANY INDICATION IF THEY WERE GIVEN A HEADS UP? JOE:
WE LEARNED THAT THE DID GET A HEADS UP ON THIS, WHICH DID NOT
HAPPEN, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN THE U.S. WENT INTO VENEZUELA.
THERE WAS A BIT OF OUTRAGE WHEN MARCO RUBIO SUGGESTED THAT THEY
COULD NOT TRUST MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO NOT LEAK THAT
INFORMATION. THE GANG OF EIGHT IS QUITE
WELL-KNOWN KNOWN FOR NOT DOING THAT.
THESE ARE THE TWO PARTY LEADERS IN EACH CHAMBER AND LEADER AND
RANKING MEMBER OF BOTH INTEL COMMITTEES.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE MARK WARNER, WHO IS OUT WITH A STATEMENT
DEMANDING WAR POWERS VOTE. IT COMES BACK TO THIS IDEA OF A
PROLONGED ENGAGEMENT, WHICH AT PRESENT AND IS CLEARLY
TELEGRAPHING. THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE WAS
ALSO BRIEFED, AS WE UNDERSTAND. I SUSPECT THAT CAME FROM THE
SAME PLACE. WHETHER THERE IS GOING TO BE A
CLASSIFIED BRIEFING FOR ALL MEMBERS, WE DO NOT KNOW.
CHRISTINA: THAT IS A DEPARTURE FROM WHEN
THE U.S. STRUCK IRAN NUCLEAR FACILITIES
LAST SUMMER. I HEARD A LOT OF GRIPING THAT
THEY HAD NOT BEEN NOTIFIED.
>> JUST TO TAKE A BROADER LOOK, YOU HEARD THE PRESIDENT USE THE
LANGUAGE AND WORLD WAR. CONGRESS HAS THE RIGHT TO
DECLARE WAR, AND THAT COULD BE ANOTHER MAJOR TENSION POINT
POLITICALLY IN WASHINGTON. FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT, THOUGH
SOME LAWMAKERS MAY HAVE GIVEN -- BEEN GIVEN A HEADS-UP, YOU
DIDN'T ASK PERMISSION. HE DIDN'T ASK CONGRESS TO GET
BEHIND THIS. HE WENT AHEAD AND DID IT.
THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF CONGRESS, WHICH IS CONTROLLED
BY REPUBLICANS, GIVING UP POWERS THAT THE CONSTITUTION
GIVES THEM TO THE EXECUTIVE. THAT HAS BEEN TRUE WITH TARIFFS
AS WELL. THIS IS ON A MAJOR FOREIGN-POLICY LEVEL.
CHRISTINA: DEBATE ABOUT THE WAR POWERS
DOES NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THIS PRESIDENT.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE COVERED WASHINGTON THIS HAS BEEN
SOMETHING CONGRESS HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT.
USUALLY WHEN YOU HEAR PRESIDENTS ANNOUNCE STRIKES
LIKE THIS THEY DANCE AROUND THE -- THIS SPECIFICALLY.
WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU ABOUT THE POWER DYNAMIC IN CONGRESS AND
WHITE HOUSE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING THIS IS A WAR, IT
COULD BE PROTRACTED, AND THERE COULD BE CASUALTIES? JEFF:
IT IS THE STRENGTHENING OF THE EXECUTIVE THAT HAS HAPPENED
UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SECOND TERM.
HE HAS CLAIMED POWERS IN MANY WAYS THAT ARE NOT HIS.
HE HAS USED EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO GOVERN MORE SO THAN LEGISLATION.
IT IS NOT TO DOWNPLAY THE LEGISLATIVE VICTORIES HE HAD IN
TERMS OF TAX CUTS. THAT HAS BEEN A TENSION POINT
IN WASHINGTON. IT HAS BEEN A TENSION POINT
WITH DEMOCRATS.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO RISE
UP AGAINST THAT AS WELL. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IF THIS
WERE A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT IN OFFICE THEY WOULD NOT BE
STANDING FOR THIS.
BUT HAS BEEN A HALLMARK OF THE REPUBLICAN RESPONSE TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT VS SECOND TERM. THEY DO NOT STAND UP.
WILL THIS BE A LINE THEY FEEL THEY HAVE CROSSED? TBD DAVID:
YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THOSE STATEMENTS FROM PRIME
MINISTER NETANYAHU AND PRESIDENT TRUMP.
I WONDER HOW GO FOR LEADERS HAVE MADE THEIR CASE TO PRESENT
TRUMP IN THE LEAD UP TO THIS?
THERE IS SOME INHERENT INEFFECTIVENESS HERE, BUT WHAT
IS THAT QUALITY OF COMMUNICATION LIKE BETWEEN GULF
LEADERS IN THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW? JOUMANNA:
YOU'VE GOT TO BE THINKING THEY ARE WORKING ON THE CHANNELS.
WE JUST GOT A STATEMENT FROM THE SAUDI MINISTRY CALLING FOR
A DE-ESCALATION, SAYING THEY STAND IN UNITY WITH THEIR GOLF
ALLIES. ONCE WHO HAD BEEN TARGETED.
FOR GOLF STATES, LOOK, THIS IS OF UTMOST PRIORITY.
DE-ESCALATION IS OF UTMOST PRIORITY.
I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE RELATIONSHIP WITH IRAN, I WOULD
NOT SAY THAT THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF LOVE LOST BETWEEN
MANY OF THESE GOLF NATIONS AND THE IRANIAN REGIME.
THAT SAID, FOR THEM WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT IN THE REGION IN
THE CONTEXT OF THEIR OWN ECONOMIC VISIONS -- BECAUSE
MANY OF THESE COUNTRIES ARE UNDERGOING ECONOMIC
TRANSFORMATION -- IS POLITICAL STABILITY.
THAT HAS BEEN A CONSISTENT THEME.
IF YOU SPEAK TO THE LEADERS IN THESE GULF STATES THEY WILL
TELL YOU THAT THEY DON'T WANT THIS CRISIS TO SPIRAL OUT OF
CONTROL.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, 2020 THREE THERE WAS A MEDIATION
THAT WAS BROKERED BY CHINA BETWEEN SAUDI ARABIA AND IRAN
TO RESTORE DIPLOMATIC RELATIONSHIPS OR BOTH SIDES
PLEDGED NONINTERFERENCE. THAT WAS A BIG MILESTONE IN THE
REGION BECAUSE YOU MAY ALSO
RECALL THAT IN PRIOR INCIDENTS SAUDI FACILITIES WERE ALSO
SUBJECT TO RETALIATION FROM IRAN.
THIS TIME AROUND THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING AGGRESSIVELY TO ENSURE
THAT THOSE TYPE OF STRIKES DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
YET HERE WE ARE ON A DAY LIKE TODAY, WHERE EVERY SINGLE
U.S.-BASED MILITARY BASE -- NOT EVERY SINGLE, BUT EVERY SINGLE
COUNTRY HOSTING A U.S. BASE HAS BEEN TARGETED.
WITH IRANIAN RETALIATION. THERE WOULD BE LOOKING UPON
THIS WITH A LOT OF CONSTERNATION AND CONCERN ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
LOOSELY PUSHING FOR BEING -- BIG DE-ESCALATION HERE.
IT IS UNLIKELY AT THIS POINT THAT THINGS CAN CALM DOWN OR
DE-ESCALATE, BECAUSE THE MESSAGING THAT HAS COME
THROUGH, AT LEAST FROM THE ISRAELI SIDE, IS THAT THIS IS
AN OPERATION THAT IS GOING TO ON FOR DAYS.
AS LONG AS THAT HAPPENS YOU WOULD THINK ALSO THAT THE GULF
STATES AND THEIR ASSETS, THE U.S. ASSETS IN THE REGION WILL
CONTINUE TO BE TARGETS. CHRISTINA:
I ALSO WANT TO UPDATE OUR AUDIENCE.
COURTNEY SUBRAMANIAN CONFIRMS WE ARE NOT EXPECTED TO GET
FURTHER REMARKS FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TODAY.
AGAIN, I WANT TO GO TO YOU AND ASK ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HIM AND BENJAMIN NETANYAHU.
THIS HAS BEEN TWO LEADERS THAT WERE CLOSE AND THEN HAD A BIT
OF A TIFF. THE ROMANCE SEEMS TO BE OVER,
AND IT HAS REIGNITED IN RECENT MONTHS.
THE PRIME MINISTER WAS RECENTLY AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND SOURCES
WERE TELLING ME YEARS REALLY OFFICIALS -- IS REALLY
OFFICIALS WERE COMING OUT OF THAT MEETING GIDDY.
FLASH FORWARD AND WE HAVE THIS JOINT STRIKE ON IRAN.
TALK TO US ABOUT THAT RELATIONSHIP AND HOW MUCH
INFLUENCE YOU THINK NETANYAHU HAS OVER PRESIDENT TRUMP WHEN
IT COMES TO TAKING ACTION IN IRAN?
>> I THINK HE HAS A GREAT DEAL OF INFLUENCE.
THERE WAS SOMETHING OF A FALLING OUT BETWEEN THE TWO
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S. FAMOUSLY TRUMP THEN OUT OF
OFFICE IN MAR-A-LAGO USED TO THE F-WORD ABOUT NETANYAHU.
THE PRIME MINISTER BEING QUICK TO RECOGNIZE PRESIDENT BIDEN'S
PRESIDENTIAL WIN.
THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO REALLY ENJOYS SUCCESS AND ADMIRES
SUCCESS.
AFTER THE ISRAELI MILITARY WERE BLINDSIDED THAT HAMAS ATTACK
TWO YEARS AGO, ENGINE AND ANY HOPE, THE LONGEST-SERVING PRIME
MINISTER, WITH HIS EYE ON HIS HISTORICAL LEGACY AND NEEDS OF
THE COUNTRY IN THE GIVEN MOMENT, PUT HIS MIND NOT JUST A
TURNING ROUND THE SITUATION IN GAZA, BUT EFFECTIVELY
REVOLUTIONIZING -- BRINGING ABOUT REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE IN
THE MIDDLE EAST AT LARGE. ISRAEL WENT ON THE OFFENSIVE ON
SEVERAL FRONTS AGAINST HIS REIGN -- AGAINST IRANIAN ALLIES.
HAMAS HAS ENJOYED IRANIAN PATRONAGE CERTAIN GROUPS IN
SYRIA UNTIL VERY RECENTLY.
AND THE HOUTHIS ARE ALSO ALIGNED WITH IRAN.
AND NOW TAKING ON IRAN DIRECTLY. WHAT IS CLEAR HERE IS THAT
TRUMP HAS BEEN PERSUADED. IT MAY HAVE BEEN FROM OTHER
FORCES. IT MAY HAVE BEEN HIS READING OF
HISTORY. HE WILL BE SOMEONE WHO WILL
REMEMBER THE IRANIAN REVOLUTION, WHEN THE U.S.
EMBASSY WAS TAKEN OVER AND MANY OF THE STAFF HELD HOSTAGE FOR A
LONG TIME. HE WILL BE AWARE OF THAT.
THERE ARE ALSO U.S. ALLEGATIONS THAT IRAN HAS BEEN
BEHIND ASSASSINATION ATTENDS, OR AT LEAST ONE AGAINST THIS
PRESIDENT , WHO SURVIVED TWO ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS IN
RECENT MONTHS. IT WOULD APPEAR A COMBINATION
OF THE COUNCIL OF THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER, A PRIME
MINISTER HE TRUST TO GET THE JOB DONE AND POTENTIALLY GIVE
HIM A SOLID ACCOUNTING OF THE REALITIES OF THE MIDDLE EAST.
AND HOW U.S. INTERESTS MIGHT BE SERVED BY
SEEING A REGIME CHANGE IN IRAN. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE
COALESCED. SIX MONTH AGO IN JUNE THEY
STRESS TESTED THIS RELATIONSHIP BY JOINING A SURPRISE ATTACK
AGAINST IRAN. NOW THEY JOINED IN AT THE
OUTSET WITH THE U.S. PRE-POSITIONING PLANES IN
ISRAEL, WHICH ITSELF IS WITHOUT PRECEDENT. THERE IS A VERY TIGHT
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THESE MEN THAT GOES WELL BEYOND THE
REPORT TO WHAT APPEARS TO BE A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF THE
MIDDLE EAST. DAVID: AT A MOMENT LIKE THIS ONE TENDS
TO LOOK BACK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PRECEDING DAYS.
YOU WERE ON CAPITOL HILL FOR THE STATE OF THE UNIT, WATCHING
THE PRESIDENT ADVISORS COME IN. CHRISTINA:
THAT SEEMS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS AGO. DAVID:
MARCO RUBIO, THE SECRETARY OF STATE AS WELL.
THE SECRETARY OF STATE STILL HAVING A PLAN TO GO TO ISRAEL
OVER THE COURSE OF THIS WEEK. CHRISTINA:
THEY HAVE NOT PULLED DOWN THE TRIP YET. DAVID:
I WONDER HOW YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, JOE?
I KEEP GOING BACK TO THIS THEME OF SURPRISE.
WHAT YOU HAVE OBSERVED ABOUT YOUR APPARATUS SURROUNDING THIS.
WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT, BUT THE DEGREE TO
WHICH HE HAS BEEN ENGAGING WITH THEM.
WE HEARD FROM HIS ADVISORS ON NATIONAL SECURITY AND DIPLOMACY.
JOE: AT THAT POINT WHEN WE WERE IN
THE CAPITAL FOR THE STATE OF THE UNION THE STORYLINE WAS ONE
OF OPTIMISM. THAT THEY WERE GEARING UP FOR
TALKS ON THURSDAY. THE PRESIDENT SAID 10 TO 15
DAYS. THIS IS 10 DAYS ON THE SPOT.
WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING. CHRISTINA:
AND NOT THAT MUCH ABOUT IRAN IN THE STATE OF THE UNION. JOE:
THAT IS ALSO TRUE, AND NO INSIGHT INTO JUSTIFICATION.
IT CERTAINLY WAS NOT AMOUNTING TO WHAT WE HEARD IN THIS VIDEO
OVERNIGHT. THEY CLEARLY KNEW THIS AND HE
HAD A BRIEFING BY THE CENTCOM COMMANDER ON THURSDAY.
LITTLE DID WE KNOW THAT WAS PROBABLY A BRIEFING ABOUT HOW
THE ATTACK WAS READY TO GO. LOOK, THIS IS GOING TO PLAY
DIFFERENTLY WITH DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE CATNIP.
YOU POINTED OUT MARCO RUBIO REMINDING EVERYONE OF THE
TENSION BETWEEN MARCO RUBIO AND JD VANCE.
THE POTENTIAL HEIR APPARENT OF THIS PRESIDENT AND MAGA.
THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR JD VANCE TO TELEGRAPH
PUBLICLY. IS GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPORT
THIS AS A MEMBER OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
BUT TO MAKE THIS AN AMERICA FIRST DOMESTIC ISSUE FOR HIM,
KNOWING HE WANTS TO RUN IN 2028, IS GOING TO BE TOUGH.
CHRISTINA: I WANT TO PLAY YOU MORE SOUND
FROM THE PRESIDENT'S REMARKS THIS MORNING.
I WANT TO PLAY YOU SOUND FROM THE PRESIDENT SPEAKING
YESTERDAY. IN CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS.
LISTENING TO WHAT HE SAID DURING THE STATE OF THE UNION,
LISTENING UP TO THIS SPEECH, WHEN I HEARD THIS I THOUGHT,.
PRES. TRUMP: THAT IT WANT TO GO FAR ENOUGH,
AND THAT IS TOO BAD. WE HAVE BEEN PLAYING WITH THEM
FOR 47 YEARS AND THAT IS A LONG TIME.
THEY HAVE BEEN BLOWING THE LEGS OFF OF OUR PEOPLE, THE FACES,
THE ARMS. THEY HAVE BEEN KNOCKING OUR SHIPS, ONE BY ONE.
EVERY MONTH THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE.
WE CAN PUT UP WITH IT TOO LONG. WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE
NEGOTIATION. THEY DON'T WANT TO SAY THE
KEYWORDS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
CHRISTINA: WAS THAT THE PRESIDENT TIPPING
HIS HAT THERE FOR PEOPLE LISTENING?
AND WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR THIS AS WE LOOK AT THAT
YEAR -- THE BIGGER GEOPOLITICAL STRATEGY?
AHEAD OF THE PRESIDENT'S VISIT TO CHINA?
AND ALSO RUSSIA AND UKRAINE? DOES THIS IMPACT THAT? JEFF:
I THINK HE WAS TELEGRAPHING IT. THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO HAS
MADE CLEAR ALMOST FROM DAY ONE THAT HE IS INTERESTED IN
GETTING THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE, AND YET HE IS ALSO A PRESIDENT
WHO IS VERY INTERESTED IN USING THE FORCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE
TO HIM IN TERMS OF MILITARY POWER.
HE HAS CERTAINLY DONE THAT NOW IN IRAN.
ON THE BROADER GEOPOLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS, I THOUGHT IT WAS
INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT RUSSIA'S REACTION WAS TO THIS.
SOME WOULD CALL THAT VERY RICH, TO HAVE RUSSIA'S SAYING THIS IS
AN UNPROVOKED ATTACK AND NOT IN LINE WITH INTERNATIONAL NORMS,
CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE.
BUT THAT, AGAIN, DOES HAVE RAMIFICATIONS FOR THIS.
HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THIS ADMINISTRATION, THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION'S ABILITY TO FORM A PEACE DEAL THERE?
WHICH PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SAID HE WANTS.
HE RIGHTLY SAID THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO CHINA IN ABOUT A
MONTH. THERE IS ALWAYS THIS THREAT OR
CONCERN OF CHINA POTENTIALLY INVADING TAIWAN.
WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE DOES THE UNITED STATES STRIKE ON ANOTHER
COUNTRY SEND TO CHINA ON WHETHER THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTED
OR ACCEPTABLE? JOE:
OUR COLLEAGUE WHO HEADS UP OUR RUSSIAN COVERAGE WAS MAKING A
GOOD POINT. THAT WHAT THIS SHOWCASES IS THE
REDUCED CAPACITY OF RUSSIA AND VLADIMIR PUTIN TO DEFEND ITS
LONG-STANDING ALLIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST. I WONDER WHAT YOU
THINK ABOUT THAT?
WE HAVE SEEN DAMAGE TO ITS PROXIES IN THE REGION, AND
RUSSIA WAS A PATRON OF THESE COUNTRIES. CHRISTINA:
AND WE SAW THIS IN SYRIA. IT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THE
REGIME CANNOT HOLD ON. RUSSIA DID NOT HAVE THE
BANDWIDTH TO SUPPORT THAT REGIME IS MUCH AS THEY USED TO.
I REMEMBER I WAS THERE YEARS AGO THERE WERE PICTURES OF THE
AYATOLLAH, THE IRGC LEADERS ALL OVER THAT AREA.
THAT IS NOT THERE ANYMORE. JOE: IT REMINDS US OF THE DISRUPTION
WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PRESIDENT'S FIRST YEAR IN THE SECOND TERM.
THERE IS A LOT OF OVERLAP HERE, AS YOU ARE POINTING OUT.
HOW THIS IMPACTS A POTENTIAL PEACE DEAL AROUND UKRAINE, THE
WAY IT MAY BE INFORMING THE CHINESE WHEN IT COMES TO TAIWAN
ARE HUGE QUESTIONS. WE HAVE NOT EVEN BROUGHT UP
GREENLAND SINCE WE CAME ON THE AIR THIS MORNING. CHRISTINA:
IT IS ONE OF THE FEW TIMES YOU AND I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED
GREENLAND SITTING NEXT TO EACH OTHER, JOE. DAVID:
I WANT TO GO TO JAY KAUSHIK LOSS -- CONGRESSMAN OPTION
CLASS.
A QUESTION WE HAVE BEEN POSING TO A LOT OF OUR GUESTS, IS HOW
THEY FIND OUT ABOUT THIS. I WONDER IF YOU COULD WALK US
THROUGH THAT AND GIVE US YOUR SENSE OF WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IN
THE CRUCIBLE OF CONGRESS. WE KNOW THERE ARE VOTES
HAPPENING ON MORE POWERS. IT MAY BE BROUGHT TO BEAR OVER
THE NEXT FEW HOURS?
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME BACK ON. THE WAY I SHOULD HAVE FOUND OUT
ABOUT THIS IS THE PRESIDENT COMING TO CONGRESS TO REQUEST
AN AUTHORIZATION FOR MILITARY FORCE AND REPRESENTATIVES
DEBATING IN PLAIN VIEW OF THE PUBLIC THE MERITS OF
AIRSTRIKES, THE NATURE OF IRANIAN SELF-DETERMINATION, AND
RISKS AND BENEFITS THEREOF.
THE WAY I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THIS
MORNING, WAS OPENING THE HEADLINES AND SEEING THAT A
RECKLESS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF HAD STARTED A WAR OF CHOICE WITHOUT
CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORIZATION AND WITHOUT EXPLAINING THE
STRATEGIC ENDGAME. THIS IS GOING TO BE TACTICALLY
OVERWHELMING. AMERICA DOES HAVE AIR DOMINANCE
IN IRAN, BUT IT IS STRATEGICALLY OPEN-ENDED, AND
CONGRESS IS GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THIS
PRESIDENT IS ASKING. CHRISTINA: DO YOU THINK THIS WAS AN
ILLEGAL ACTION BY THE PRESIDENT? >> YES, HE DOES NOT HAVE
AUTHORIZATION TO DO THIS. UNDER THE WAR POWERS THE ONLY
WAY A PRESIDENT CAN COMMIT U.S. FORCES INTO HOSTILITIES AS IF
THERE IS AN IMMINENT THREAT. THERE IS NO IMMINENT THREAT
FROM THE AS RUM OR PUBLIC. THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC HAS AMID
IS RATED -- HAS AN MS. RATED AND REPRESSED ITS PEOPLE.
-- E MS. RATED AND REPRESSED ITS PEOPLE.
BUT IT IS NOT A THREAT TO THE U.S. HOMELAND.
DAVID: I'M GOING TO ASSUME YOU HAVE
WATCHED THE PRESIDENT'S STATEMENT AND THERE IS THE PART
AT THE END WHERE HE RAISES THE POTENTIAL OF THERE BEING LOSS
OF U.S. LIFE. THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A
RESERVIST. HOW DID THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THAT
STATEMENT RESONATE WITH YOU AS YOU THINK ABOUT THE PRESIDENT
NOW, I GUESS POST-THIS HAVING TO JUSTIFY THE ACTIONS TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE?
>> THE AMERICAN TROOPS DESERVE A COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF WHO HAS TO
LAY OUT HIS RATIONALE IN FRONT OF THE REPRESENTATIVES.
WHEN YOU SIGN UP FOR THE U.S. MILITARY YOU UNDERSTAND YOU MAY
BE RISKING YOUR LIFE FOR THE FLAG AND CONSTITUTION, BUT YOU
EXPECT YOUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF AND OFFICERS TO FOLLOW THE RULE
OF LAW, TO ENNOBLE THAT RISK YOU ARE TAKING.
HE IS FAILING TO DO SO. CHRISTINA:
YOU MENTIONED, WHAT IS THE END GAME HERE? IS IT CLEAR TO U.S.
FORCES WHAT THE MISSION IS HERE? IS THAT MISSION REGIME CHANGE?
DOES THE U.S. STILL DO THAT?
>> THAT IS A TERRIFIC QUESTION. I CAN REMEMBER BEING A YOUNG
LIEUTENANT IN AFGHANISTAN, PATROLLING TALIBAN-CONTESTED
VISION -- VILLAGES IN SOUTHERN AFGHANISTAN.
AND GIVING COMMANDS TO MY PLATOON AND NOT BEING ABLE TO
NEST THAT MISSION STATEMENT UP INTO A HIGHER COMMANDER'S
INTENT ABOUT, WHAT IS IT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE?
AND WHEN YOU DO THAT YOU UNDERMINE READINESS AND ESPRIT
DE CORPS WITHIN THE ARMED FORCES.
AND YOU MAKE IT HARDER FOR COMMISSIONED OFFICERS TO
EXECUTE . THIS PRESIDENT OWES A CLEAR
RATIONALE TO CONGRESS AND CONGRESS OWES THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE A DEBATE. FOR REGIME CHANGE, IF THAT IS
THE PRESIDENT'S INTENT, HE ALREADY LIVE TO THE IRANIAN
PROTESTERS ONCE. HE SAID HELP IS ON THE WAY.
THIS TIME AROUND WHAT IS THE NATURE OF SUPPORT HE WANTS TO
PROVIDE? IS THAT MEAN BOOTS ON THE
GROUND? DOES THAT MEAN COVERT ACTION?
CONGRESS SHOULD HAVE TO DEBATE THAT AND JUSTIFY IT TO OUR
CONSTITUENTS. DAVID:
CONGRESSMAN, WE SPOKE TO HER HAKEEM JEFFRIES, AND HE LAID
OUT A VERY GOOD CITIZEN -- CIVICS LESSON ABOUT THE ROLE
CONGRESS IS SUPPOSED TO PLAY HERE AND WHAT HE HOPES TO
HAPPEN. THERE ARE MANY AMERICANS,
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, WHO ARE DISPIRITED AT THE ROLE
CONGRESS HAS PLAYED IN RECENT YEARS.
I THINK THEY MIGHT PERCEIVE IT AS BEING LESS TRUTHFUL AS THEY
HAVE IN THE PAST. -- TOOTHFULL AS IT HAS IN THE PAST. WHAT
WOULD YOU SAY IN LIGHT OF THIS AND HOW DO YOU SEE YOUR PARTY
WORKING TOGETHER TO RESPOND TO THIS?
>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A RIGHT TO BE FRUSTRATED WITH A
CONGRESS THAT HAS SIDELINED ITSELF AND ITS ARTICLE ONE
PREROGATIVES. WE ARE BEGINNING TO SEE
CONGRESS REASSERTING ITSELF ON TARIFFS, WITH TARIFF AND VOTES
IN THE HOUSE, ON THE EPSTEIN FILES.
THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WITH A WAR POWERS RESOLUTION
NEXT WEEK FOR CONGRESS TO RECLAIM ITS FUNDAMENTAL POWERS
THAT THE FRAMERS UNDERSTOOD BELONGED TO THE PEOPLE'S
REPRESENTATIVES AND NOT TO A CHIEF EXECUTIVE.
ULTIMATELY, I DO NOT EXPECT SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON TO BE
BRAVE. BUT I DO EXPECT IS FOR THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC TO DECIDE THAT IF HE WILL NOT BE BRAVE THEY
ARE GOING TO SEND PEOPLE TO CONGRESS WHO WILL BE AND
DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO WIN THE MIDTERMS AND WE WILL HOLD THIS
ADMINISTRATION TO ACCOUNT. CHRISTINA:
MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS THE SAME ONE I ASKED LEADER JEFFRIES --
WHAT CAN CONGRESS DO? IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO
STOP A PRESIDENT WHO WANTS TO TAKE THIS ACTION?
SOME OF YOUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES WILL AFFECT AND JOIN
YOU, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE SAYING THAT IS NOT A
POSSIBILITY UNTIL THE MIDTERMS. REP. AUCHINCLOSS:
I THINK SOME OF THE REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE MAY.
THIS WAR POWERS RESOLUTION WE ARE VOTING ON NEXT WEEK IS A
BIPARTISAN RESOLUTION. WHETHER IT GETS ENOUGH
REPUBLICAN VOTES IN THE HOUSE, TO PASS AND TO COMPEL ACTION IN
THE SENATE, IS ANOTHER MATTER.
BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE
CONGRESS FULLY ASSERT ITS ARTICLE ONE POWERS.
THEY SHOULD NEVER EXPECT A BUNCH OF CONGRESSIONAL
REPUBLICANS TO BE THE COURAGEOUS LEADERS AT -- THAT
THIS MOMENT DEMANDS. DAVID: DO YOU LOOK AT THIS IN
ISOLATION? I RECALL AFTER THE U.S.
CAPTURED NICOLAS MADURO THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED THERE COULD BE A TEMPLATE FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE
WORLD.
AS YOU LOOK AT THE PRESIDENT'S INCLINATION FOR ADVENTURISM, DO
YOU SEE THIS AS PART AND PARCEL AS A BROADER TRACK?
DO YOU WORRY THIS IS GOING TO LEAD TO MORE ADVENTURISM?
HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS INCIDENT IN A BROADER CONTEXT?
REP. AUCHINCLOSS: THE MIDDLE EAST IS COMPLICATED
ENOUGH. I DON'T TEND TO ANALOGIZE FROM
OTHER REGIONS, BECAUSE THE MIDDLE EAST HAS ITS OWN CONTEXT
WE HAVE TO BE HUMBLE ABOUT. BUT, JUST FOCUS ON THIS REGION,
I THINK WHAT IS CRITICAL IS FOR THERE TO BE A CONSISTENT
BIPARTISAN BLUEPRINT FOR HOW WE ARE APPROACHING IRAN.
WHAT I WOULD POSIT IS THAT TWO THINGS ARE CRITICAL.
FIRST, WE NEED AMERICAN AIR SUPREMACY IN THAT REGION.
THAT IS VITAL TO AMERICAN INTERESTS.
IRAN CANNOT RAIN DOWN TERROR FROM THE SKIES.
AND AMERICA DOES NEED TO SUPPORT IRON DOME, AND I WOULD
ARGUE A REGIONAL SYSTEM.
BUT NUMBER TWO IS, WE SHOULD BE WILLING TO OFFER A POLICY OF
MUTUAL NONINTERFERENCE WITH IRAN THAT SAYS, YOU STOP
MESSING AROUND IN SYRIA, IN IRAQ, OF COURSE WITH ISRAEL,
AND WE WILL NOT MESS IN YOUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
HE WILL SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF ALL PEOPLE TO HAVE FREEDOM OF
SPEECH, FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY, WE WILL NOT ATTEMPT REGIME CHANGE
SO LONG AS YOU STOP MESSING AROUND IN OTHER PEOPLES'S
AFFAIRS. CONGRESS COULD GET BEHIND THAT
BLUEPRINT AND HE COULD SIGNAL TO MODERATE SUCCESSORS VYING
FOR POWER AFTER THE AYATOLLAH DIES THAT THERE IS A PATH TO
BETTER RELATIONS AND AN IMPROVED ECONOMY.
BUT THAT CANNOT HAPPEN IF WE HAVE ONE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF
OFFERING MILITARY ACTION WITHOUT STRATEGIC RATIONALE.
CHRISTINA: I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THESE
NEGOTIATIONS THAT WERE HAPPENING BETWEEN STEVE
WITKOFF, JARED KUSHNER, AND IRANIAN COUNTERPARTS.
THE QUESTION I HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS MORNING IS, WAS THE U.S.
NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH? WE HAVE REPORTING THAT THE U.S.
AND ISRAEL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PLAN FOR WEEKS.
THEY LEFT THOSE TALKS, SCHEDULING ANOTHER ROUND OF
TALKS NEXT WEEK. YOU THINK THE ADMINISTRATION
WAS EVER SERIOUS ABOUT FINDING A PEACE DEAL WITH IRAN?
REP. AUCHINCLOSS: I THINK THEY WERE ABOUT A
SERIOUS ABOUT IT AS THEY WERE ABOUT DRUG INTERDICTION BEING A
CASUS BELLI IN VENEZUELA. CHRISTINA:
WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR U.S. CREDIBILITY WHEN IT TRIES TO
ENTER NEGOTIATIONS ELSEWHERE? I'M THINKING RUSSIA-UKRAINE,
I'M THINKING THESE CONFLICTS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DOES LIKE
TO TOWN AS A PEACE DEALER. -- TOUT AS A PEACE DEALER.
REP. AUCHINCLOSS: THE BIGGER PROBLEM FOR U.S.
CREDIBILITY IS WEAKNESS, ACTUALLY.
THIS PRESIDENT IN UKRAINE IS FUNDAMENTALLY NEGOTIATING FROM
A SELF-IMPOSED WEAK POSITION. AS OPPOSED TO AUTHORIZING
LONG-RANGE STRIKES AGAINST OIL FIND AREAS AROUND MOSCOW, FOR
EXAMPLE. AS OPPOSED TO TAKING RUSSIAN
ASSETS AND INVESTING THEM. AS OPPOSED TO SANCTIONING
RUSSIAN OIL EXPORTS. HE IS BASICALLY CEDING TO
RUSSIA'S TERRITORIAL DEMANDS. THAT IS OUR CORE WEAKNESS.
THE RECENT NATIONAL SECURITY DOCUMENT WAS A BACKPEDAL STANCE.
THAT IS OUR CORE ISSUE. THE CREDIBILITY ISSUE IS THERE,
BUT IT IS GOING TO BE THERE SO LONG AS THIS GUYS PRESIDENT.
WEAKNESS IS MORE A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. DAVID:
CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU. THAT IS JAKE AUCHINCLOSS.
CHRISTINA, THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR FOCUS IN THE DAYS AHEAD.
HOW THOSE TWO DUELING WAR RESOLUTIONS WILL PLAY OUT IN
CONGRESS. CHRISTINA: FOR AN INTERVENTION IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT WAS AT THE CORE OF THIS PARTY ORIGINALLY.
WE HAVE SEEN IT EXPAND A BIT, BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS
POPULAR WITH REPUBLICANS RUNNING IN THESE MIDTERMS AND
TRYING TO KEEP THE FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY, ON THOSE KITCHEN TABLE
ISSUES THEIR CONSTITUENTS CARE ABOUT THAT.
IT IS UNCLEAR HOW A PROLONGED INTERVENTION IN IRAN IS GOING
TO PLAY WITH THAT DOMESTIC AUDIENCE. DAVID:
WE ARE FAR FROM THE AFFORDABLE -- AFFORDABILITY ON THIS ISSUE.
I WANT TO GO TO LISA MATEO. LISA:
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY RELEASED ITS ANNUAL EARNINGS.
ITS ANNUAL REPORT.
AND THAT CEO LETTER FROM GREG ABELL. LET'S GET TO THE EARNINGS
FIRST. FOURTH-QUARTER OPERATING EARNINGS, 10 POINT $2 BILLION
VERSUS 14.3 BILLION DOLLARS YEAR-OVER-YEAR. THAT IS DOWN 30%
YEAR-OVER-YEAR. A BIG PART OF THAT WAS
INSURANCE UNDERWRITING PROFITS.
FOURTH-QUARTER INSURANCE OPERATING ON -- INCOME, FOUR
POINT FIVE 6 BILLION. THE COMPANY TOOK A 4.5 BILLION
DOLLARS IMPAIRMENT ON ITS KRAFT HEINZ OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM
HOLDINGS. ITS CASH PILE FELL.
NOW, AS FOR THE LETTER, I WANT TO GET TO THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS
THE FIRST FROM ABEL AFTER TAKING OVER FOR WARREN BUFFETT.
HE OPENED THE LETTER WITH A TRIBUTE TO BUFFETT.
HE PROMISED TO MAINTAIN BROOKSHIRE CULTURE, CONTINUE
OPERATING THE WAY THEY WORK FOR YEARS.
BUFFETT DOES REMAIN THE LARGEST SHAREHOLDER.
ABEL WILL BE THE ONLY ONE ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
BUFFETT IS GOING TO BE WATCHING FROM THE FLOOR WITH THE REST OF
THE BOARD. THESE NUMBERS CLOSELY WATCHED
BECAUSE BROOKSHIRE'S BUSINESS DOES PROVIDE CRIME OVERVIEW OF
THE ECONOMY. THAT IS WHY THIS IS SUCH A
BELLWETHER FOR THE INDUSTRY. DAVID: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THIS IS LISA MATEO JOINING US ON SET.
THIS NEXT SEGMENT IS GOING TO BE BEST LAID PLANS.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANTHROPIC IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
JULIA IOFFE.
WE WILL GET INTO THE COMPLEMENTARY BETWEEN WHAT IT
-- BETWEEN THIS AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN UKRAINE.
YOU COVER NATIONAL SECURITY UP LUMBER.
WE SELL REPORT SUBSTANTIVE -- STENTS OF CYBERATTACKS AS WELL.
DO YOU TRACKING? JULIA: I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT CLAUDE.
CLAUDE IS ON MAVEN SMART SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE OPERATING
SYSTEM U.S. MILITARY OPERATORS WILL BE
USING RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION,
BATTLE OVER WHAT THE ROLE OF -- ROLE IS IN COMBAT OPERATIONS.
THEY HAVE BEEN ASKED TO LEAVE U.S.
GOVERNMENT SYSTEMS, YET THEY ARE PROBABLY USED RIGHT NOW.
IN TERMS OF CYBER OPERATIONS IT IS A WAIT AND SEE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A SENSE THAT A LOT WILL BE SUPPORTING THESE
MILITARY OPERATIONS.
DAVID: JUST WANT TO PUT A FINE POINT
ON THIS.
I WON'T EVEN CALL IT PARTICULAR TIMING.
IT IS STRANGE TIMING THEY WOULD -- THIS WOULD HAPPEN.
>> I'M ASSUMING THEY COULD DO THIS ANALOG STYLE, BUT THERE IS
A SENSE THEY ARE STILL ACTIVELY USING THIS SOFTWARE RIGHT NOW.
KATRINA: FOR THE CYBER OPERATIONS?
CLAUDE? CLAUDE IS ON THE MAIN MILITARY
SYSTEM THAT IS USED AS A GATOR BATTLE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
IT IS NOT THE KEY TOOL IN ANY WAY, BUT IS USED TO ANALYZE
DATA, BRING DATA TOGETHER, AND DO WHAT WE DO WITH CHATBOTS,
SUMMARIZE THINGS.
IT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS ON CLASSIFIED CLOUD, AND OF COURSE
THE PRESIDENT GAVE THEM SIX MONTHS TO GET OFF, AND THEY
HAVE NOT HAD AN OFFICIAL
REQUEST TO HAVE THAT SUPPLY CHAIN RISK THAT PETE HEGSETH
TALKED ABOUT AARON BUT THEY WILL BE BEING USED RIGHT NOW
AND THERE IS NO REASON TO HAVE THEM STOP.
THE EXECUTIVE OF ANTHROPIC SAID, WE WANT TO CONTINUE
SUPPORTING IN ANY TRANSITION. CHRISTINA:
JULIA, TAKE US OUT FOR THE BIG PICTURE.
HAVE TALKED ABOUT AMERICAN TRUSTWORTHINESS.
HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS COULD IMPACT OTHER CONFLICTS.
WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN AFGHANISTAN AND IT HAD A KNOCK
ON EFFECT IN OTHER PLACES. WHAT DOES THIS CONFLICT DO FOR
OTHER CONFLICTS AROUND THE WORLD? JULIA:
OH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WATCHING THIS I WAS REMINDED OF THE
WINTER OF 2021-2022, WHEN THE U.S. WAS TRYING TO ENGAGE WITH
RUSSIA DIPLOMATICALLY FOR MONTHS, GOING BACK IN
DIPLOMATIC NEGOTIATIONS OVER UKRAINE. CHRISTINA:
I WAS THERE IN GENEVA. JULIA: THERE YOU GO, RIGHT?
AND THE RUSSIANS WERE SAYING -- PEOPLE WERE SAYING, THE
RUSSIANS ARE NOT NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH, THEY ARE GOING TO
INVADE ANYWAY, AND THE RUSSIANS SAID, NO, WE HAVE NO PLANS, WE
HAVE NO PLANS TO INVADE UKRAINE, WE ARE TRYING TO --
AND UKRAINE CANNOT BE IN NATO,
THEY CAN JUST NOT BE IN NATO, WE ARE NEGOTIATING IN GOOD
FAITH. IT TURNS OUT THEY WERE NOT.
THEY WERE GOING TO INVADE ANYWAY AND I CANNOT HELP IT HE
REMINDED OF THAT THIS MORNING. THAT THESE NEGOTIATIONS, IT
SEEMED LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ASKING THE IMPOSSIBLE OF
IRAN WHILE BUILDING UP THESE FORCES IN THE REGION.
LIKE CHEKHOV'S GUN, RIGHT? IF YOU PUT THAT STUFF THERE IT
HAS TO GO OFF, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO USE IT.
YES, BUYING TIME BECAUSE OF COURSE OUR RESOURCES WERE
STRETCHED THIN. THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER GERALD
FORD WAS IN VENEZUELA. CHRISTINA:
WE HAVE BEEN A BIT OF -- A BIT BUSY IN VENEZUELA COMING UP.
JULIA: TIME TO GET TO THE MIDDLE EAST,
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WANTS TO GIVE HIMSELF AS A MAN OF ACTION.
WE HAVE BEEN TWO MONTHS WITHOUT MILITARY INTERVENTION.
NO, IT IS A LONG TIME. CHRISTINA:
FUNNY YOU MENTIONED THAT I WAS TALKING TO A REPUBLICAN AND HE
SAID TO ME, THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T MOVE YOUR FIREPOWER TO
VENEZUELA, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS NEED THAT FIREPOWER IN THE
MIDDLE EAST. DAVID: I'M LOOKING AT A STATEMENT FROM
EMMANUEL MACRON AND PRIME MINISTER KEIR STARMER
CONDEMNING THE MILITARY ACTION IRAN HAS TAKEN IN THE PAST BUT
NOTING WE DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE STRIKES.
JULIA, ON THAT POINT, I'M CURIOUS HOW YOU SEE WHAT HAS
HAPPENED HERE REVERBERATING AROUND EUROPEAN CAPITALS?
WE HAD HOPED TO BRING YOU ON TO TALK ABOUT UKRAINE ON THE
FOURTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE INVASION THERE.
STILL VERY MUCH EUROPE'S FOCUS. NOW HAVING TO NAVIGATE THIS
ATTACK. JULIA: TO ME THAT WAS ONE OF THE HINTS
THAT TRUMP WAS GOING TO DO THIS ANYWAY, BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR
EUROPEAN PARTNERS AND ALLIES DO STILL HAVE CONTACTS WITH THE
IRANIAN REGIME, DO HAVE DIPLOMATIC PRESENCE IN IRAN.
CHRISTINA: THEY ACT AS OUR PROXIES AND
HAVE FOR YEARS. JULIA: WE COULD HAVE USED THEIR HELP
IN THIS IF WE HAD BEEN ACTUALLY NEGOTIATING.
I THINK THIS IS YET ANOTHER SIDELINING OF EUROPE.
ANOTHER KIND OF TRYING TO RELEGATE THEM TO IRRELEVANCE.
I THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION SEES THEM AS WEAK AND FECKLESS
AND PROBABLY EFFEMINATE, GIVEN HOW THIS ADMINISTRATION TENDS
TO VIEW THINGS. AS FOR OUR ALLIES, I THINK IT
IS INTERESTING THAT THE SAUDI'S CAME OUT AND SAID THEY SUPPORT
THIS. CHRISTINA: THE CANADIANS AS WELL.
MARK CARNEY HAS BEEN CRITICAL OF THE PRESIDENT.
I HAVE A STATEMENT IN FRONT OF ME.
JULIA: SO, I THINK WHAT IS INTERESTING
HERE, MARK CARNEY SPOKE AT DAVOS AND SAID, WE ARE
BASICALLY OUT OF THIS. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN USING OUR
ALLIANCE AS A TOOL AGAINST US, WE ARE OUT OF PAX AMERICANA.
ESSENTIALLY, PEACE, GUYS. NOW THEY ARE ON BOARD, THE
AUSTRALIANS ARE ON BOARD. THE SIGNAL THIS IS LIKELY
SENDING TO TRUMPETS, THESE GUYS TALK A BIG GAME, BUT THEY ARE
GOING TO SUPPORT US ANYWAY.
I THINK THIS IS, JUST LIKE VENEZUELA, REINFORCED THIS,
JUST LIKE HIS AIRSTRIKES IN IRAN IN JUNE REINFORCED THIS
IDEA, THAT HE CAN GET AWAY WITH THINGS.
IF HE PUSHES HARD ENOUGH PEOPLE WILL GO ALONG WITH IT, NO
MATTER WHAT.
DAVID: KATRINA, WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE
MILITARY MIGHT THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO BEAR IN THE GULF.
COULD YOU PULL BACK THE CURTAIN AND GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT THE
U.S. MIGHT BE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO
ATTACKING CYBER INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN IRAN? KATRINA:
THE WAY CYBER OPERATIONS HAVE EMERGED IS, THEY DON'T YIELD
THE CATASTROPHIC BLOW. THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
TRAILING FOR YEARS. THAT CYBER COULD BE A KIND OF,
ALMOST THE SAME AS THE 9/11 ATTACKS. IT IS NO CYBER 9/11.
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE RUN-UP TO THE RUSSIAN INVASION OF
UKRAINE, IN THE WAY THE U.S. USED CYBERATTACKS, AND I
SUSPECT WHAT WE WILL EVENTUALLY LEARN HAS HAPPENED HERE, IS
THAT CYBER IS A PRECURSOR TO MILITARY OPERATIONS.
IT SOFTENS THE GROUND. IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR KINETIC
ACTION -- THAT IS WHAT THE U.S.
USES, THE WORD USED TO SUGGEST EXPLOSIONS.
IT MAKES THOSE EASIER SO THAT IRAN FINDS IT HARDER TO
RESPOND, TO LAUNCH ITS OWN MISSILE DEFENSES AND LAUNCH
ATTACKS. CLEARLY THEY ARE LAUNCHING
ATTACKS. CYBER CANNOT STOP EVERYTHING.
IT IS THE WAY ONE WOULD SUSPECT TO SEE A TOOL LIKE CYBER USED.
YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE AN ESSAY INVOLVED AND CYBER
COMMAND. CHRISTINA:
IN ADDITION TO CYBER AND MILITARY COOPERATION AND
DIPLOMATIC COOPERATION, THERE IS ALSO INTELLIGENCE SHARING.
IT HAS BEEN SOMETHING COMPLICATED BY THESE UNILATERAL
MOVES BY THE U.S. FIVE EYES IS UNDER STRESS.
REGIONAL ALLIES ARE LESS LIKELY TO SHARE THINGS WITH THE U.S.
WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATE OF THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH U.S.
GULF ALLIES? I THINK ABOUT THE JORDANIANS IN
PARTICULAR. AND WITH OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES,
USUALLY WOULD BE BACKING UP AN OPERATION LIKE THIS? KATRINA:
-- JULIA: AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE
AT MUNICH. WHEN I HEARD THERE WAS, FIVE
EYES, THE INTELLIGENCE SHARING ARRANGEMENT, IS UNDER STRESS
AND UNDER DOUBT.
ALL KINDS OF INTELLIGENCE SHARING IS UNDER QUESTION.
IS THE THING WE VERY MUCH NEED RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THIS IS A AMERICA-FIRST, AMERICA-ALONE,
AND YOU GUYS GET IN LINE. I THINK MARCO RUBIO'S SPEECH
LAID THIS OUT PERFECTLY. HERE IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO
THIS. IF YOU WANT TO GET ON BOARD,
GET ON BOARD. IF NOT, GET OFF, LOSERS, WE ARE
DOING THIS ANYWAY. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW.
BECAUSE THEY ARE SEEING THE
SAUDI'S FALLEN LINE, CANADIANS, -- FALL IN LINE, THE CANADIANS,
IT REINFORCES THIS. DAVID:
THE NATIONAL BOOK AWARD FINALIST. THANK YOU BOTH FOR
JOINING US HERE IN NEW YORK AS WE CONTINUE TO COVER THIS
BREAKING NEWS ON THIS SATURDAY MORNING.
THOSE UNEXPECTED STRIKES BY THE U.S. ON IRAN.
THE PRESIDENT'S STATEMENT. NO AUDIENCE IN THE ROOM FOR
THOSE REMARKS, BUT INDICATING THIS IS GOING TO BE A SUSTAINED
ATTACK AND EXPLAINED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THERE COULD BE
U.S. CASUALTIES. CHRISTINA: THIS IS A SOCIAL MEDIA
PRESIDENT AND HE HAS LEARNED HE CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY TO HIS
AUDIENCE WITHOUT THE INTERVENTION OF US.
WE WILL HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS FROM LAWMAKERS AND ANALYSTS AND
OUR REPORTERS. WE HAVE GOT COVERAGE ALL OVER
THE GLOBE. STICK WITH US. WE WILL BE HERE.
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CHRISTINA: WELCOME BACK. WE ARE TRACKING BREAKING NEWS
THE MIDDLE EAST THIS MORNING. STRIKES IN IRAN.
A JOINT MILITARY OPERATION BETWEEN ISRAEL AND THE UNITED
STATES. WE ARE HEARING ABSTRACTS CLOSE
TO OR ON U.S. INSTALLATIONS THROUGHOUT THE
REGION. OUR COLLEAGUES IN TEL AVIV HAVE
BEEN TAKING COVER SINCE THE EARLY HOURS OF THE MORNING.
DAVID: CHARTING WHAT THIS MEANS FOR
THOSE COUNTRIES, WHAT IT MEANS POLITICALLY AND MARKETS AND THE
ECONOMY AS WELL, I WANT TO BRING IN OUR COLLEAGUE, A CHIEF
EMERGING MARKETS ECONOMIST. AS WE THINK THROUGH WHAT THIS
MEANS FOR OIL IN PARTICULAR, WHAT SHOULD WE BE PAYING
ATTENTION TO?
IN THE RUN-UP TO THIS THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THIS
MEAN FOR THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. IF YOU LOOK ON THE MAP AND SEE
THOSE TANKERS THERE IN THE REGION, THE HEADS OF THOSE
SHIPS WONDERING WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR
THE OIL MARKET?
>> THERE ARE STILL OPEN QUESTIONS.
IN THE LAST 12 HOURS I THINK WE HAD FOUR KEY QUESTIONS WHEN IT
COMES TO IRAN.
THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, WILL THE U.S. AND ISRAEL ATTACK IRAN?
YES, THEY HAVE. THE SECOND QUESTION WAS, WITH
THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT SURVIVED THE ATTACK?
THE ANSWER IS, YES, THEY HAVE. THE THIRD QUESTION IS, WILL THE
IRANIAN RETALIATION BE SIGNIFICANT, OR SYMBOLIC, LIKE
PREVIOUS WARS? ACTUALLY, THEY WENT FOR
SYMBOLIC. THE LAST QUESTION IS, WHAT WILL
IRAN RETALIATE AGAINST? WILL IT RESTRICT ITSELF TO U.S.
BASES IN ISRAEL, OR EXPAND TO ALL FACILITIES IN THE REGION?
SO FAR IT HAS ATTACKED U.S. BASES ACROSS THE REGION AND
ISRAEL, BUT YOU CANNOT RULE OUT ATTACKS AGAINST ALL FACILITIES
AND THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ IN THE COMING HOURS AND DAYS.
CHRISTINA: WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SANCTIONS.
THE AMERICAN ECONOMY HAS BEEN SUFFERING UNDER U.S.
AND INTERNATIONAL SANCTIONS. WE HAVE SANCTIONS EARLIER THIS
YEAR. WHAT IS THE STATE OF IRAN'S
ECONOMY AND WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF A PROLONGED CONFLICT LIKE
THIS GOING TO DO ON AN ECONOMY THAT IS ALREADY UNDER DIRE
STRAITS? ZIAD: THERE ARE TWO THINGS HERE.
THE FIRST IS, WHEN IT COMES TO THE IRANIAN ECONOMY, IT'S STATE
IS ALREADY DIRE. THAT HAS LED TO PROTESTS.
THIS WAR IS NOT ABOUT THE ECONOMY.
FOR THE RAINY AND LEADERSHIP THIS IS ABOUT SURVIVAL AND IT
IS ABOUT MORE MILITARY THAN ECONOMIC.
IF THEY CAN SURVIVE THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, IT IS A QUESTION OF
NOT WHETHER THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE IN
TERMS OF INFLATION, IN TERMS OF CURRENCY, BUT WHETHER THEY CAN
SURVIVE THE MILITARY ATTACK AND COUNTERATTACKS.
THAT IS THE KEY QUESTION FOR IRAN MORE THAN THE ECONOMY IN
THE COMING DAYS AND WEEKS. DAVID:
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, HOW INTEGRAL IS IRAN TO THE GLOBAL
OIL MARKET? WE HAD AN OPEC PLUS DELEGATE
INDICATING PRODUCTION COULD INCREASE.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MARKET HOLISTICALLY, HOW IMPORTANT IS
IRAN TO OIL PRODUCTION GLOBALLY? ZIAD:
IRAN IS SIGNIFICANT, BUT IT IS NOT IRREPLACEABLE.
IRAN PRODUCES ABOUT 5% OF THE GLOBAL OIL SUPPLIES, YOU KNOW,
PUT THROUGH THE WORLD. THAT IS NOT THE KEY ISSUE.
THE KEY ISSUE IS THE WIDER REGION.
ONCE YOU EXPAND THE WAR YOU NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT
SAUDI ARABIA AND UAE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE THIRD
OF GLOBAL OIL SURPRISE -- SUPPLIES.
THE STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ, BASICALLY 20% OF GLOBAL OIL
FLOWS GO THROUGH THAT, AND THAT IS DIFFICULT TO REPLACE.
OPEC-PLUS MAY DECIDE TO INCREASE THEIR QUOTAS, BUT
THESE ADDITIONAL QUOTAS COMING FROM SAUDI ARABIA AND IRAQ AND
THEY CANNOT EXIT THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ, THEY MAY NOT BE
EFFECTIVE, AND HEDGING THE LOSSES FROM THIS WAR. CHRISTINA:
WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT OF STRIKES COULD BE, BUT
WHAT IS THE PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPACT ON PRODUCTION HERE?
WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN SOME OIL FIELDS SHUTTING DOWN
PREEMPTIVELY. COULD THAT HAVE JUST AS BIG OF
AN IMPACT AS PRODUCERS DO NOT WANT TO SEND THEIR SHIPS AT THE
MOMENT? THEY ARE PULLING THEIR PERSONNEL OUT OF HARM'S WAY?
HOW BIG AN IMPACT COULD THAT HAVE? ZIAD:
I THINK THE PHYSICAL, SORT OF THREATS, OR MORE IMPORTANT THAN
PSYCHOLOGICAL. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST WAR IN
THE MIDDLE EAST IN THE LAST 2.5 YEARS. CHRISTINA:
THIS IS A GOOD POINT. ZIAD:
THE MIDDLE EAST HAS BEEN IN ALMOST AN CONTINUOUS STATE OF
WAR. YET OIL PRICES TODAY, ON FRIDAY
THEY CLOSED AT $72 A BARREL. IN 2023 THERE WERE $85 A BARREL.
I THINK ON THE PSYCHOLOGY, MARKETS ARE SORT OF GETTING
USED TO THE GEOPOLITICAL ESCALATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
THE KEY QUESTION HERE IS IF WE ARE GOING TO GET PHYSICAL
DISRUPTION. THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST
SERIOUS TEST IN THE LAST 2.5 YEARS.
DAVID: I JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT HE
MENTIONED THAT THERE, THE FACT THAT IRAN'S ECONOMY WAS IN SUCH
A REDUCED STATE GOING INTO THIS. AS WE TALK ABOUT THE RINDS WE
SEE TO PAST TIMES WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN THESE NEGOTIATIONS
SURROUNDING IRAN, A REALLY HUGE DISTINCTION THIS TIME AROUND
WAS HOW UP AGAINST THE WALL IRAN WAS BECAUSE OF HOW REDUCED
ITS ECONOMY WAS. CHRISTINA: WE HAVE SOME NEW HEADLINES
CROSSING HERE ON THE TERMINAL. TURKEY IS DISTANCING ITSELF
FROM THE U.S. AND ISRAELI CAMPAIGN AFTER IRAN
THREATENED TO TARGET ANY COUNTRY THAT SERVICES THESE
ATTACKS. THE U.S. FREQUENTLY USES SOME OF THEIR
MILITARY BASES. THE NATO MEMBER SAYS IT DOES
NOT PERMIT ANY OF ITS AIR, LAND, OR MARITIME ASSETS,
INCLUDING ITS AIRSPACE, TO BE USED FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES
IN WAR IN WHICH IT IS NOT A PARTY. DAVID:
WE ARE DOING THIS MORNING IS COLLATING AND GOING THROUGH THE
REACTION IN THE UNITED STATES. CERTAINLY FROM LAWMAKERS, BUT
LEADERS AROUND THE WORLD AS WELL.
WE MENTIONED THE REACTION WE HAVE SEEN FROM FREDERICK MERS,
FROM KEIR STARMER, FROM EMMANUEL MACRON, ACKNOWLEDGING
WHAT HAS HAPPENED, BUT EMPHASIZING THERE WERE NOT PART
OF THE STRIKES. HE BROUGHT UP TURKEY.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO SUSTAIN FOCUS IN THE WORLD
AHEAD. HOW THE WORLD RESPONDS TO WHAT
THE U.S. HAS DONE WITH ISRAEL. CHRISTINA:
THIS WAS NOT GOING TO BE AN ISOLATED CONFLICT.
WE ARE HERE AND TRACKING HOW THE WORLD RESPONDS. DAVID:
THE NEXT HOUR OF BLOOMBERG "THIS WEEKEND" STARTS NOW.
DAVID: THIS IS THE DEBUT OF BLOOMBERG
"THIS WEEKEND." WE DO SPECIAL COVERAGE OF WHAT
HAS HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF THE EVENING, STRIKES ON IRAN.
CHRISTINA: WE ARE HERE WITH LISA MATEO.
THERE IS REALLY STILL ONLY ONE STORY WE ARE COVERING THIS
MORNING, AND THAT IS IRAN. EARLY THIS MORNING, BEFORE MOST
OF US WERE AWAKE AND BEFORE WE CAME ON THE AIR THE U.S.
AND ISRAEL LAUNCHED A STRIKES ON IRAN. DAVID:
IRAN, WE HAVE SEEN RETALIATE. THOSE STRIKES ARE ONGOING
ACROSS THE MIDDLE EAST. I'M GOING TO TURN TO OUR COLLEAGUE,
LISA MATEO. LISA:
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS SAYING A MASSIVE OPERATION IS UNDERWAY
TO ENSURE TEHRAN DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
HAVE BOTH HE AND ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER AND JIM, THEY CALLED
ON IRANIANS TO OVERTHROW THE REGIME. HERE IS WHAT WE KNOW.
THERE WERE SEVERAL LARGE EXPLOSIONS IN TEHRAN.
IRAN QUICKLY RETALIATING. A WAVE OF MISSILES AND DRONES
TARGETING U.S. INTEREST IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
THAT INCLUDES THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, QATAR, AND KUWAIT.
BAHRAIN SAID AN AMERICAN BASE IN THE COUNTRY HAD COME UNDER
ATTACK AS WELL.
QATAR AND THE UAE REPORTED INTERCEPTIONS IN THEIR
TERRITORY. WE DID HAVE RESPONSES FROM
WORLD LEADERS. MARK CARNEY SAID HIS COUNTRY'
IS POSITION REMAINS CLEAR, THAT IRAN MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO
DEVELOP NUCLEAR WEAPONS. WE WANT TO GET TO OUR OTHER TOP
STORY FOR TODAY. THAT IS BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY.
IT HAS RELEASED ITS ANNUAL REPORT, FOURTH-QUARTER
EARNINGS, AS WELL AS A LETTER FROM CEO GREG ABELL.
THE OPERATING PROFITS FELL NEARLY 30%.
IT IS ONE BUFFETT'S LAST QUARTER AS CEO.
IT BIG PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT WAS DROP IN INSURANCE
UNDERWRITING. THOSE PROFITS HAD SLUMPED.
THE COMPANY TOOK A $4.5 BILLION IMPAIRMENT ON ITS KRAFT HEINZ,
OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM HOLDINGS. ITS CASH PILE FELL TO $373
BILLION. AS FOR THAT LETTER, IT IS THE
FIRST FROM ABEL AFTER TAKING OVER FROM WARREN BUFFETT.
HE OPENED THE LETTER WITH A TRIBUTE TO BUFFETT.
PROMISED TO MAINTAIN BURKE SHIRE -- BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY
CULTURE. THERE IS A SHAREHOLDER MEETING
IN MAY. BUFFETT WILL BE WATCHING FROM
THE FLOOR WITH THE REST OF THE BOARD AS WELL. CHRISTINA:
WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO THAT MORE ON MONDAY.
WE WANT TO GET TO THE NEWS OF THE HOUR, AND THAT IS THIS
CONFLICT IN IRAN. THIS MORNING WE SAW A VIDEO
DROP FROM MAR-A-LAGO. NO REPORTERS WERE PRESENT.
HE IS WEARING A HAT. HE IS SPEAKING IN FRONT OF A
PODIUM. DAVID: THAT IS PRETTY WILD.
THE VIDEO DID DROP AND WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT WEARING A USA
GOLF CAP. CHRISTINA:
THEY DID NOT CALL THE POOL, THEY DID NOT GET ANY SORT OF
WARNING. REALLY REMARKABLE STATEMENT.
THE PRESIDENT SAYS A SHORT TIME AGO THE U.S.
MILITARY BEGAN A COMBAT OPERATION IN IRAN.
OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO DEFEND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY ELIMINATING
IMMINENT THREATS FROM THE IRANIAN REGIME, A VICIOUS GROUP
OF HARD, TERRIBLE PEOPLE. PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID HE TRIED
TO MAKE A DEAL. PRES. TRUMP:
WE SAWED REPEATEDLY TO MAKE A DEAL. WE TRIED.
THEY WANTED TO DO IT, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.
AGAIN THEY WANTED TO DO IT, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
JUST WANTED TO PRACTICE PEOPLE. IRAN REFUSED, JUST AS IT HAS
FOR DECADES AND DECADES. THEY REJECTED EVERY OPPORTUNITY
TO RENOUNCE THEIR NUCLEAR AMBITIONS, AND WE CAN'T TAKE IT
ANYMORE. INSTEAD, THEY ATTEMPTED TO
REBUILD THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND TO CONTINUE DEVELOPING THE
LONG-RANGE MISSILES THAT CAN NOW THREATEN OUR VERY GOOD
FRIENDS AND ALLIES IN EUROPE, OUR TROOPS STATIONED OVERSEAS.
AND COULD SOON REACH THE AMERICAN HOMELAND.
JUST IMAGINE HOW EMBOLDENED THIS REGIME WOULD BE IF THEY
EVER HAD AND ACTUALLY WERE ARMED WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS AS A
MEANS TO DELIVER THEIR MESSAGE.
FOR THESE REASONS THE UNITED STATES MILITARY IS UNDERTAKING
A MASSIVE AND ONGOING OPERATION TO PREVENT THIS VERY WICKED,
RADICAL DICTATORSHIP FROM THREATENING AMERICA AND OUR
CORE NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS.
WE ARE GOING TO DESTROY THEIR MISSILES AND RAISE THEIR
MISSILE INDUSTRY TO THE GROUND.
IT WILL BE TOTALLY, AGAIN, OBLITERATED.
YOU'RE GOING TO ANNIHILATE THEIR NAVY.
WE ARE GOING TO ENSURE THAT THE REGION'S TERRORIST PROXIES CAN
NO LONGER DESTABILIZE THE REGION OR THE WORLD.
AND ATTACK OUR FORCES. AND NO LONGER USE THEIR IED'S
OR ROADSIDE BOMBS, AS THEY ARE SOMETIMES CALLED, TO SO GRAVELY
WOUNDED AND KILL THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING
MANY AMERICANS. WE WILL ENSURE THAT IRAN DOES
NOT OBTAIN A NUCLEAR WEAPON. IT IS A VERY SIMPLE MESSAGE.
THEY WILL NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
THIS REGIME WILL SOON LEARN THAT NO ONE SHOULD CHALLENGE
THE STRENGTH AND MIGHT OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
DAVID: THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT IN A
STATEMENT HE RELEASED AFTER THOSE STRIKES BEGAN.
THE PRESIDENT AT MAR-A-LAGO IN FLORIDA.
COVERING THIS IN NEW YORK WE HAVE JOE MATHIEU ALONGSIDE JEFF
MASON. JOUMANNA BERCETCHE IS WITH US
AS WELL. JEFF, LET ME TURN TO YOU.
I HEAR THE PRESIDENT USING THESE COUNTERFACTUAL SPIRIT
IMAGINE IF IRAN HAD A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
HE SAID IN THE STATE OF THE UNION THEY WILL NEVER BE
ALLOWED TO HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. LEVEL SET FOR US.
WE SAW THOSE STRIKES IN JUNE. THE U.S.
AND ISRAEL ATTACKING IRAN TO DO AWAY WITH THAT PROGRAM.
HE EXPRESSED CONFIDENCE HE HAD DONE THAT.
WHAT IS THE STATE OF PLAY? IS THE PRESIDENT TRAVELS AROUND
THE COUNTRY, HAS TO SELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ON WHAT HAS
HAPPENED HERE, HOW EASY IS THAT GOING TO BE TO DO IN LIGHT OF
WHAT THE SITUATION ON THE GROUND WAS? JEFF:
THERE IS CERTAINLY SOME SELLING GOING ON THERE.
IN PARTICULAR ONE OF THE ADJECTIVES THAT STOOD OUT TO ME
WAS HIM SAYING IMMINENT REST. IS THERE AN IMMINENT THREAT?
IS THAT SOMETHING THE UNITED STATES IS GOING TO GIVE MORE
INFORMATION ON? WE WERE JUST HOLDING TALKS WITH
IRAN AND SAID TALKS WERE GOING TO CONTINUE NEXT WEEK IN VIENNA.
THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO PULLED THE UNITED STATES OUT OF WHAT
CHRISTINA REFERRED TO AS THE JCPOA, WHICH WAS THE NUCLEAR
AGREEMENT THAT HAPPENED DURING BARACK OBAMA'S ADMINISTRATION.
HE HAS SAID HE WANTED TO HAVE TALKS, BUT HE HAS CHOSEN OUT TO
GO TO WAR. THAT IS THE WORD HE USED.
WAR IS NOT POPULAR IN THE UNITED STATES.
IT IS NOT POPULAR WITH HIS BASE, FOR SURE, BECAUSE OF THE
FOREIGN INTERVENTION ASPECT OF THAT.
AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, THIS COUNTRY IS GOING INTO MIDTERM
ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER AT A TIME WHEN A LOT OF AMERICANS ARE
FOCUSED ON THEIR POCKETBOOKS AND THE PRESIDENT IS ALREADY A
LITTLE ON THE DEFENSIVE ABOUT THE PRICES OF GOODS.
NOW HE WILL HAVE TO DEFEND THIS WAR AND WE WILL SEE HOW WELL IT
GOES. IF IT IS SUCCESSFUL, IN SOME
WAYS LIKE VENEZUELA WAS, THAT OPERATION WAS QUICK AND HE WAS
ABLE TO PAINT IT AS A SUCCESS, IT MAY NOT BE A POLITICAL
ALBATROSS. IF IT GOES ON FOR LONG TIME,
WHICH THEY ARE SUGGESTING IT COULD, AND IF THERE ARE
AMERICAN CASUALTIES, WHICH THE PRESIDENT SPECIFICALLY SAID WAS
A POSSIBILITY, THEN THAT COULD CERTAINLY HURT HIM POLITICALLY.
CHRISTINA: I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS
IMMINENT THREAT LANGUAGE. IT WAS A SURPRISE TO HEAR THE
PRESIDENT SAY WAR, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE ENUMERATED POWERS
OF THE CONSTITUTION. THAT IS CONGRESS'S JOB.
THE WAY PRESIDENTS HAVE TAKEN THESE STRIKES, DOES THAT
ARGUMENT HOLD WATER?
DURING THE FIRST TERMED THIS ADMINISTRATION TRIED TO MAKE
THE CASE THAT IRAN WAS COLLABORATING WITHOUT KENYATTA
-- AL QAEDA SO THEY CAN STRIKE IRAN.
EVEN THEIR CONGRESSIONAL ALLIES DID NOT BUY THAT THE FIRST TIME
AROUND. JOE: THE SELLING IS GOING TO HAVE TO
TAKE PLACE ON CAPITOL HILL AS WELL.
WE ARE STARTING TO HEAR FROM LEADERSHIP, BY THE WAY.
WE HEARD LAST WEEKEND ON SUNDAY MORNING TELEVISION MEMBERS OF
THE ADMINISTRATION TALKING ABOUT AN IMMINENT THREAT WITHIN
DAYS OR WEEK. STEVE WITKOFF SAID THEY COULD
HAVE A BREAKTHROUGH IN HIGHLY-ENRICHED WEAPONS GRADE
URANIUM. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY COULD
PUT IT ON A MISSILE, BUT THAT IS THE FIRST TIME WE HEARD THAT.
I SUSPECT WE ARE GOING TO HEAR IT AGAIN.
CHRISTINA: IT ALSO CONTRADICTS THEIR CLAIM
THAT THEY TOOK OUT IRAN'S NUCLEAR FACILITIES IN THEIR
LAST STRIKE. JOE: HE'S DOING A LOT OF WORK THERE.
WE HAVE BEEN HEARING THE PRESIDENT SAY, WE WILL
OBLITERATED AGAIN. THAT THEY HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO
REBUILD THE WHOLE THING. THAT BRINGS US TO THE IDEA OF
THE WAR POWERS RESOLUTION. DID THE PRESIDENT NEED THE
PERMISSION OF CONGRESS? YOU'VE JUST HEARD FROM LEADERS
ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, AND THE CONTRAST COULD NOT BE MORE
STARK. HAKEEM JEFFRIES IS CALLING FOR
A VOTE ON THE FLOOR IMMEDIATELY, AS SOON AS
LAWMAKERS GET BACK TO WASHINGTON.
WE JUST HEARD AS WELL FROM SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON, WHO SAYS,
BY THE WAY, THE GANG OF EIGHT WAS BRIEFED AND DETAILED
EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT MILITARY ACTION MAY BECOME NECESSARY,
WHICH IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN GETTING A PHONE CALL LAST
NIGHT THAT WE ARE GOING IN. HE DOESN'T EVEN MENTION
CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY OVER WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS CALLING A
WAR. DAVID: GET US UP TO SPEED ON THE STATE
OF PLAY IN THE REGION AS WE TALK ABOUT THE POLITICAL
FALLOUT. THERE WAS THE THREAT FROM THE
SUPREME LEADER THAT THERE WOULD BE A REGIONAL WAR THAT WOULD
ABRUPT. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT
WOULD AFFECT MANY COUNTRIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST. FROM YOUR
VANTAGE IN DUBAI, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING?
HOW MUCH IS THAT COMING TO PASS? JOUMANNA:
I WOULD SAY THIS IS BECOMING WHAT IS TURNING OUT TO BE A
HISTORIC DAY. IT IS A FRAUD TODAY, AND I WILL
TELL YOU ANECDOTALLY MYSELF, I'M SITTING IN DUBAI AND I HAVE
HEARD BLASTS, AND THERE ARE STORIES OF PEOPLE RUSHING TO
THE SUPERMARKET TO STOCK UP ON WHAT LOOKS LIKE IS GOING TO BE
PROTRACTED COUPLE OF DAYS OF ATTACKS AND COUNTERATTACKS.
THE FEELING IS ONE OF EXTREME NERVOUSNESS.
I SHOULD ALSO SAY THAT THE AIRSPACE IS CLOSED AS WELL.
IN DUBAI, UAE, AND OTHER OAF REGIONS TOO HAVE CLOSED THEIR
AIRSPACE.
-- GULF REGIONS TOO HAVE CLOSED THEIR AIRSPACE.
A LITTLE RELIEVED THAT NOTHING HAPPENED OVERNIGHT, BECAUSE THE
LAST TIME THE U.S. LAUNCHED AN OPERATION IN THE
12-DAY WAR IT WAS AN OVERNIGHT MILITARY EXERCISE.
THIS TIME IT IS HAPPENING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.
YOU HAD THE ISRAELI-U.S. OPERATION IN THE MORNING, AND
THEN THE VERY SWIFT RETALIATION FROM IRAN, TARGETING MOST OF
THESE UF -- U.S. BASES.
IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES WE HAVE HEARD THAT SAUDI ARABIA
HAVE INTERCEPTED MISSILES THAT WERE DIRECTED OVER THE EASTERN
PROVINCE IN RIYADH.
LET'S PAY CLOSE ATTENTION AT THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE A
LOT OF THE OIL IS SITUATED AND ARAMCO FACILITIES.
HE THEY HAVE INTERCEPTED THE MISSILES THAT WERE DIRECTED AT
THEM. THE REGION IS ON A HIGH STATE
OF ALERT AND THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO ON FOR
A COUPLE OF DAYS, AND ALSO JUST WAITING TO HEAR EXACTLY WHAT
AND WHO PRECISELY WAS TARGETED IN THOSE JOINT U.S.-ISRAEL
OPERATIONS IN THE MORNING. WE ARE STILL WAITING TO GET
MORE DETAILS ON THAT. CHRISTINA: WE ARE ALSO SEEING A REPORT
THAT THE SAUDI'S HAVE INTERRUPTED MISSILES IN RIYADH
AND THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTRY.
YOU HAVE LIVED THERE A WHILE. I CANNOT REMEMBER, OTHER THAN
THAT ISRAELI STRIKE INSIDE THE HALL -- DOHA, I CANNOT REMEMBER
THIS MANY CITIES RUNNING FOR COVER.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE SEE IN TEL AVIV AND JERUSALEM, BUT WHEN
WAS THE LAST TIME PEOPLE IN DUBAI WERE WORRIED ABOUT
INCOMING FIRE? IS THIS A GAME CHANGE AND DOES
THIS CHANGE THE WAY THE SENTIMENT, PEOPLE IN THIS
REGION ARE GOING TO VIEW THE UNITED STATES? JOUMANNA:
LOOK, I THINK THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED TIMES, ESPECIALLY
FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE UAE, WHO ARE USED TO ALL
GEOPOLITICAL STABILITY, ECONOMIC STABILITY.
THIS DIDN'T SEEM LIKE SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN ON YOUR OWN
HOME TURF. IT IS DIFFICULT TO ORDER FOOD
NO ON SOME OF THE FOOD APPS, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.
IT IS MOST CERTAINLY A GAME CHANGING EVENT.
I WILL TELL YOU ONE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT IS INTERESTING
TO KNOW. FOR ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN FOLLOWING CLOSELY, A PHONE CALL
WAS JUST HELD BETWEEN THE SAUDI CROWN PRINCE AND THE UAE
PRESIDENT. THOSE TWO HAVE HAD A FRAUGHT
RELATIONSHIP OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS OVER TENSIONS
REGARDING THE FUTURE OF YEMEN. IT HAS BEEN RUMBLING IN THE
BACKGROUND. A LOT OF DOMESTIC COVERAGE
ABOUT HOW THIS RIVALRY BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES IS GOING TO PLAY
OUT.
THIS HAS SERVED TO UNITE THESE GULF STATES TOGETHER IN THEIR
MISSION TO HELP FIND AN OFFRAMP AND DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION TO WHAT
COULD EASILY ESCALATE INTO A VERY DESTRUCTIVE REGIONAL
CRISIS. I THINK MANY OF THE LEADERS
AROUND THE GULF STATES ARE GOING TO TRY THEIR HARDEST NOW
TO SEE HOW AN OFFRAMP CAN BE OFFERED SO THAT DE-ESCALATION
CAN BE TONED DOWN. IT IS CRUCIAL TO THEIR ECONOMIC
PLANS AS WELL THAT THIS DOES NOT GET OUT OF CONTROL.
HAVE NOT EVEN SPOKEN ABOUT THE OIL IMPACT.
ALL OF THAT, ON THE TABLE. DAVID:
I BELIEVE WE HAVE DAN WILLIAMS WITH US.
I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO YOU AND ASK YOU, WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO
BE WATCHING AS THE SABBATH ENDS IN ISRAEL, AS WE EXPECT TO HEAR
MORE FROM THE PRIME MINISTER.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL.
BUT MORE HAVE WE LEARNED ABOUT ISRAEL'S PARTICIPATION IN THESE
STRIKES? DAN: IT IS FUNNY YOU USE THAT
METAPHOR, LISTENING FOR, BECAUSE AS WE ARE SPEAKING A
BRACE OF JETS IS OVERHEAD. THAT GENERALLY SIGNALS A NEW
WAVE OF ACTION. THIS MORNING THERE WAS A SURGE
OF JET ACTIVITY OVERHEAD. IN RETROSPECT WE UNDERSTAND
THAT TO HAVE BEEN THE SETTING OUT OF THOSE JETS WHICH CARRIED
OUT AN ATTACK, THE OPENING ATTACK ON TEHRAN, THAT WAS THEN
CONFIRMED THREE HOURS LATER. I THINK WHAT WE EXPECT IS, AND
THE MOST PRESSING CONCERN RIGHT NOW TO JUDGE BY ISRAELI MEDIA
-- AND I SAY THIS WITH EXTREME CAUTION, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT
CONFIRMED THIS YET -- ISRAELI MEDIA SEEM TO BELIEVE, ISRAEL
SEEMS TO BELIEVE THAT THE SUPREME LEADER OF IRAN HAS BEEN
KILLED. IN THIS ATTACK, IN TODAY'S
ATTACKS. THAT WOULD BE A REVOLUTIONARY
DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CONFLICT, OR COUNTERREVOLUTIONARY, GIVEN
THIS MEMBER PRESENTED -- WAS PRESENT AT THE REVOLUTION OF
1979, WHICH HAD A RIPPLE EFFECT ACROSS THE MIDDLE EAST. WE WILL
BE LOOKING FOR CONFIRMATION. ISRAEL, DESPITE THE POWER OF
ITS INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND REMOTE FORENSICS, CAN CONFIRM
SUCH A THING, OR IF IRAN WOULD CONFIRM THAT THIS HAS BEEN THE
CASE AND WHERE THINGS STAND. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN IT
COMES TO HAS A LOT IN LEBANON, WHICH FOR A LONG TIME WAS THE
CATSPAW OF IRAN WHEN IT CAME TO ISRAEL, A VERY POWERFUL GROUP,
A GROUP THAT HAD A MISSILE, REGULAR ARMIES IN THE WEST,
ALTHOUGH MUCH DOWNGRADED BY THE WAR FOUGHT WITH ISRAEL AGAINST
IT IN THE LAST 2.5 YEARS, NONETHELESS RETAINS SOME
STRENGTH. HEZBOLLAH WOULD STAY OUT UNLESS
KHOMEINI WOULD FALL VICTIM TO A U.S.-ISRAELI ATTACK.
IF THAT IS THE CASE I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE THE MAJOR
NEW BEAT, THE MAJOR NEW PHASE OF THIS ROUND OF FIGHTING.
IT IS GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR LONG-TERM EFFECT.
CERTAINLY A SHORT-TERM EFFECT INTO HOW PROTRACTED THE
BACK-AND-FORTH OF MISSILE FIRE, AIRSTRIKES, COUNTER MISSILE
FIRE, WILL LAST. MUCH WILL DEPEND ON THE DURATION TO WHICH
THE IRANIANS CAN KEEP MUSTERING THAT CYCLE OF FIRE, GIVEN HOW
HEAVILY ATTACKED THEY ARE NOW. DAVID:
DAN WILLIAMS REPORTING THAT THE ISRAELI MEDIA IS REPORTING THAT
THE SUPREME LEADER HAS BEEN KILLED.
BLOOMBERG HAS NOT CONFIRMED THAT NEWS.
THERE WERE STRIKES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF WHERE THE
SUPREME LEADER WAS. CHRISTINA: IN REPORTS OF OTHER
HIGH-RANKING OFFICIALS POSSIBLY BEING KILLED. DAVID:
THE FOREIGN MINISTER. WE HAVE SEEN NEWS OF THAT THIS
MORNING. WERE THERE TO BE TRUE IT WOULD
BE SEISMIC NEWS. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO RESPOND
TO THAT. THIS IS THE OPEN QUESTION HERE.
THERE WAS TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF ATTACK U.S. MIGHT WAGE.
THERE IT MIGHT BE ONE THAT WE TRY TO BEHEAD THE REGIME, WAS
THE TERM OF ART USED THERE. YOUR SENSE OF WHAT THE
SIGNIFICANCE WOULD BE, WITH THE CAVEAT WE ARE SEEING REPORTS OF
THIS IN ISRAELI MEDIA, BUT BLOOMBERG HAS NOT CONFIRMED
THOSE REPORTS? JOUMANNA: BUT WE CAN TAKE AWAY FROM THE
EARLY HOURS OF THIS IS THIS TIME THE OPERATIONS HAVE BEEN
TARGETING THE SENIOR ASH LAWN OF LEADERSHIP.
WHETHER IT IS KHOMEINI HIMSELF -- AND NO CONFIRMATION OVER
WHETHER HE HAS BEEN HIT -- BUT OTHER MEMBERS OF IRGC TOO.
THIS MARKS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE U.S.'S INVOLVEMENT
IN THAT 12 DAY WAR, WHEN THEY WENT AFTER SPECIFIC MILITARY
INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS TIME THE FACT THAT THEY
ARE TARGETING SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS, SENIOR
COMMANDERS WITHIN THE IRGC AND PERHAPS EVEN THE SUPREME LEADER
HIMSELF, SUGGESTS THAT THE OBJECTIVE IS NOT JUST
OBLITERATING OR NEUTRALIZING IRAN'S ABILITY TO "DEFEND
ITSELF WAS QUOTE OR LAUNCH ATTACKS, BUT POTENTIALLY TO
CHANGE LEADERSHIP AT THE TOP. CHRISTINA:
WE WANT TO BRING IN BRIGADIER GENERAL MARK KIMMITT.
I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, WHEN WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY TARGETED STRIKES TAKING OUT INDIVIDUAL
LEADERS FROM THIS REGIME, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE INTELLIGENCE
AND PLANNING THAT WE NEED TO GO INTO THOSE KINDS OF STRIKES AND
IF THAT IS LOGISTICALLY POSSIBLE, WHY THAT HASN'T BEEN
DONE BEFORE NOW? MARK: I WOULD SAY TWO THINGS.
THE AMOUNT OF INTELLIGENCE IT TAKES NOT ONLY IN QUANTITY, BUT
OVER TIME TO BE ABLE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE A SPECIFIC PERSON
IS AT A SPECIFIC TIME IS ENORMOUS.
IT WOULD TAKE NUMEROUS DIFFERENT ASSETS AND
CAPABILITIES, BOTH VOICE INTERCEPT, PHOTOGRAPHIC
EVIDENCE, PEOPLE TRAILING THEM. IT IS A HUGE EFFORT.
I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS
JUST THE AMOUNT OF ASSETS IT REQUIRES.
BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANT IS WHETHER GOING AGAINST POLITICAL
LEADERSHIP AND MILITARY LEADERSHIP IS THE RIGHT THING
TO BE DOING. IN THIS CASE GOING AGAINST
MILITARY LEADERSHIP IS EXACTLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
BUT POLITICAL LEADERSHIP GETS YOU INTO THE TERRITORY OF
REGIME CHANGE AND THE DEBATE THAT SURROUNDS TOPPLING A
LEADER OF A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. CHRISTINA: IS THAT THE KIND OF
INTELLIGENCE THAT LIKELY COMES FROM COLLABORATION WITH THE
ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE AGENCY? THE U.S.
DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF PHYSICAL ASSETS ON THE GROUND IN TEHRAN,
BUT MOSSAD HAS BEEN ABLE TO PENETRATE
THOSE INSTALLATIONS BETTER THAN THE U.S.
WE SAW THAT WITH THE NUCLEAR FACILITIES.
I'M WONDERING IF YOU THINK THAT IS LIKELY IF THIS WAS THE CASE
AND THEY WERE ABLE TO TARGET INDIVIDUAL LEADERS OF THAT
REGIME, THAT THERE HAD TO BE SOME INTELLIGENCE SHARING
BETWEEN THOSE COUNTRIES? MARK: I THINK THERE IS INTELLIGENCE
SHARING WITH A NUMBER OF COUNTRIES.
ONE WOULD CONSIDER THAT ISRAEL PROBABLY IS THE PRIMARY
INTELLIGENCE COLLEAGUE WE HAVE IN THIS.
BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS MORE THAN
JUST PEOPLE ON THE GROUND.
GOT TO HAVE ALL SORTS OF INTELLIGENCE.
NOT ONLY PEOPLE WALKING AROUND, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE IMAGERY.
YOU GOT TO HAVE ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM INTELLIGENCE.
IT IS A MOSAIC OF INTELLIGENCE THAT COMES TOGETHER.
THE UNITED STATES HAS THE BEST OVERHEAD INTELLIGENCE, OF
COURSE. IT IS COMMONLY BELIEVED THE
ISRAELIS HAVE THE BEST HUMAN INTELLIGENCE TO PROSECUTE THESE
TARGETS. DAVID: WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE
GROUNDWORK LAID FOR THESE STRIKES, WHERE THE U.S.
HAS TALKED ABOUT THEM. I WONDER IF YOU WANT TO PICK UP
ON WHAT THE GENERAL WAS SAYING. THAT THE LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE
COOPERATION, THE WAY THE U.S. IS PREPARING FOR THIS, WHAT DO
WE KNOW OF THAT? WHAT DO WE KNOW OF HOW THESE
PLANS WERE VETTED AND PUT TOGETHER IN THE RUN-UP TO THIS?
JEFF: I DO THINK BROADLY IT IS NOT
WRONG TO CONCLUDE, OR IT WOULD BE EASY TO CONCLUDE THIS IS
WHAT THEY WERE AFTER. IF YOU HAVE PRESIDENT TRUMP
URGING THE IRANIAN PEOPLE TO STEP IN AND TAKE OVER THE
GOVERNMENT, HE IS CLEARLY THINKING THERE IS GOING TO BE
AN OPENING, RIGHT? AND THE OPENING WOULD BE
CREATED BY TAKING OUT THE LEADERSHIP.
YOU ARE RIGHT TO SAY BLOOMBERG NEWS HAS NOT CONFIRMED THAT
YET, BUT THE IDEA THAT HE AND THE U.S.
MILITARY IN COLLABORATION WITH THE ISRAELI MILITARY WAS GOING
AFTER THESE TARGETS CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE BASED ON WHAT HE
HAS SAID. I THINK IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO
SAY THIS IS A BIG DEAL FOR ANY COUNTRY.
THE UNITED STATES SPECIFICALLY, TO BE NOT ONLY LAUNCHING
STRIKES, BUT TRYING TO TAKE OUT THE LEADERSHIP OF ANOTHER
COUNTRY IS -- THAT IS A BIG SHIFT FOR U.S.
FOREIGN POLICY, AND IT IS PROBABLY A DEFINING MOMENT IN
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S TERM. CHRISTINA:
THAT IS BECAUSE THIS IS A LESSON SUCCESSIVE PRESIDENTS
HAVE LEARNED, AND IT IS WHAT WE CALL THE POTTERY BARN RULE.
YOU BREAK IT, YOU BOUGHT IT. DOES THE U.S.
HAVE TO COMMIT TO SOME SORT OF PEACEKEEPING FORCE?
HOW DOES THE U.S. WIN THE PEACE, WHICH HAS
HISTORICALLY BEEN THE MUCH HARDER PART OF MILITARY
CONFLICT? JOE: THESE ARE THE HARDER QUESTIONS
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED, MAY BE, BEFORE WE STARTED THIS.
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT MAY NOT HAVE A CHOICE AT THIS POINT.
CONSIDER CUTTING OFF THE HEAD OF THE SNAKE IN THIS CASE.
THIS IS SOMETHING -- REMEMBERING THE PRESIDENT TOOK
OUT QASEM SOLEIMANI IN THE FIRST TERM.
WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE WAY ISRAEL PROSECUTES ITSELF
MILITARILY, IT IS FREQUENTLY GOING AFTER PEOPLE, NOT THINGS
OR PLACES. IN THIS CASE THIS MAY HAVE BEEN
THE SAME. WE HAVE DONE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT
OF DAMAGE TO THE AIR DEFENSES IN THE STRIKES LAST YEAR IN
ADVANCE OF THE STRIKES. THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT ARE WE
GOING TO TARGET? OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE GOING TO BE
MILITARY TARGETS, BUT INDIVIDUALS MAY BE AND UP --
MAY END UP BEING THE STORY HERE. DAVID: WE KNOW OF THE CLOSENESS
BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS TRUSTED ADVISOR STEVE WITKOFF,
JARED KUSHNER, HIS SON-IN-LAW. IT WASN'T SOME HAPPY TALK AFTER
THE NEGOTIATIONS HAD TAKEN PLACE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE TALKS WERE GOING TO CONTINUE.
WE HEARD FROM THE FOREIGN MINISTER YESTERDAY INDICATING
THEY WERE CLOSE TO A DIPLOMATIC DEAL.
YOUR REACTION TO THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED HERE?
HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE FORTHRIGHTNESS OR ENGAGEMENT
THEY WERE HAVING DIPLOMATICALLY AS THEY WERE PLANNING FOR THESE
STRIKES? MARK:
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE HAPPY
TALK SEEMED TO BE COMING ON THE IRAN SIDE, FROM THE MEDIATORS
WHO WERE SAYING EVERYTHING WAS GOING WELL.
ONE GROUP WE DID NOT HEAR CONFIRMING THAT WERE THE
AMERICANS.
IT IS VERY TYPICAL IN NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE IRANIANS
TO COME OUT AFTER EVERY ROUND OF NEGOTIATIONS AND SAY
EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL, WE ARE GETTING WHAT WE WANT, WE
ARE HAVING A WONDERFUL TIME. I THINK THE AMERICANS WERE VERY
INTELLIGENT ABOUT THE CLOSE-LIPPED.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THINGS WERE COMING ALONG.
ALL REPORTS ARE, LOOK, THE AMERICANS WERE FORTHRIGHT, THEY
GAVE UP THE CONCESSION ON THE PROXIES, ON THE BALLISTIC
MISSILES, AND FOCUSED, AS DEMANDED BY THE IRANIANS, ONLY
ON THE NUCLEAR. IT WAS CLEAR FROM WHEN
EVERYBODY WAS SAYING IS THE IRANIANS WERE DOING THEIR
STANDARD DELAY, DENY, DECEIVE, AND THAT IS GOING NOWHERE.
AND EVERYBODY KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO COME A TIME THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD RUN OUT OF PATIENCE IF NO PROGRESS --
[NO AUDIO] CHRISTINA: GENERAL, I THINK WE LOST YOU
THERE. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THE GENERAL WAS
TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT IS THAT THIS WAS PART OF AN IRANIAN
STRATEGY TO SAY EVERYTHING WAS GOING WELL, TO OUTRUN THE
REALITY OF HOW NEGOTIATIONS WERE GOING.
WE HEARD FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP THIS MORNING AND HE SAID IT HAS
ALWAYS BEEN THE POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES THAT THIS
TERRORIST REGIME CAN NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
WE HAVE LOST JOUMANNA AS WELL. I WILL TURN TO OUR PANEL.
IT MAY JUST BE ALL PR SPIN. YOU HAVE THE U.S., THE
PRESIDENT SAYING THIS REGIME CANNOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
ONE OF THE BIG TOP LINES FROM THEM COMING OUT OF THAT WAS
THEM SAYING IRAN HAD AGREED THAT THEY DID NOT NEED A
NUCLEAR WEAPON. HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE U.S.
AND WHETHER THE U.S. WAS NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH.
DID IRAN REALLY MEAN THAT? COULD IRAN BE TRUSTED TO HAVE A
NUCLEAR WEAPON -- TO NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON?
OR IS THAT WHY THE PRESIDENT IS MAKING THIS ATTACK? JEFF:
THERE HAS BEEN SKEPTICISM IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY FOR
YEARS OVER WHETHER OR NOT IRAN WAS PURSUING A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
IT HAS SAID FOREVER THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT IT WAS PURSUING,
THAT IT WANTED TO HAVE NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES FOR PEACEFUL
PURPOSES, FOR ENERGY. HAS JUST BEEN DOUBT ABOUT THAT
ACROSS THE BOARD. CERTAINLY PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS
DOUBTED THAT. AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
EARLIER, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE STRIKES LAST
SUMMER.
WHETHER OR NOT THE SERIOUSNESS OF THAT STATEMENT OR THE
NEGOTIATIONS CHANGED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IS
DEBATABLE, BUT CLEARLY THE PRESIDENT CONCLUDED IT DID NOT
RAISE TO THE LEVEL HE WAS WANTING BEFORE MAKING A
DECISION TO GO TO WAR. DAVID: THERE WAS THE THOUGHT THAT THIS
COULD BE AN OFFER IN JUST DAYS AGO.
THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN OFFRAMP FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TO AGREE TO
A NEW LIMIT. CHRISTINA: PEOPLE WERE SAYING THEY WERE
GOING TO PROVIDE THE PRESIDENT WITH A FUDGE. JOE:
OR MAYBE A TACO. BUT IT SEEMS WE ARE GOING TO
GET NEITHER, BECAUSE WHETHER IT WAS FOR MEDICAL RESEARCH OR
ENERGY, THAT OBVIOUSLY WAS NOT SOMETHING PALATABLE TO THIS
ADMINISTRATION, BUT SOMETHING TEHRAN WAS HOPING TO CODIFY IN
AN AGREEMENT. CHRISTINA: PALATABLE.
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE. [LAUGHTER]
I WANT TO POSE THAT QUESTION TO YOU.
I AM CURIOUS WHAT LEADERSHIP THINKS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT
IRAN WOULD EVER REALLY HAVE GIVEN UP A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT IN THE REGION THAT AIR FORCES HAD BEEN
SO DEGRADED BY THOSE ISRAELI AND U.S. ATTACKS, COMBINED WITH
SANCTIONS, HAD PUT THEM ON THE BACK FOOT TO THE POINT WHERE
THEY WOULD NEVER GIVE UP THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM, BUT THEY WOULD
BE WILLING TO GIVE UP THE NUCLEAR WEAPON.
DID WE BELIEVE THAT WAS REALLY ON THE TABLE? JOUMANNA:
I THINK WHAT IRAN WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE IS ONE
PRESENTATION OF THEIR REGIME AND THE STRUCTURE THAT HAS
EXISTED SINCE 1979, WHICH IS VERY PERVASIVE AMONGST ALL
ELEMENTS OF NOT JUST POLITICALLY, BUT ECONOMICALLY.
THE SECOND THING IS, THEY ABSOLUTELY WANTED TO ACHIEVE
SANCTIONS RELIEF. FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE THEY
WERE WILLING TO GO TO THESE NEGOTIATIONS SO LONG AS THEY
WOULD AGREE TO TERMS THAT WOULD STILL ALSO NOT COMPLETELY
JEOPARDIZE THEIR WAS ON DETRA -- THEIR REASON, WHICH IS ONE
OF RESISTANCE AND STANDING UP TO THE THREAT OF ISRAEL, TO THE
U.S. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
CHANTING DEATH TO AMERICA FOR DECADES NOW.
SO, INTRINSIC TO THEIR EXISTENCE IS THE NUCLEAR
PROGRAM.
AND THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL ARSENAL OF BALLISTIC MISSILES
THEY ARE SITTING ON. IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE
PROXIES THEY HAVE BEEN FUNDING OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST
DECADE AS WELL. WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS IS ON ALL OF THOSE FRONTS THEY HAVE SEEN
MAJOR SETBACKS. YOU'VE SEEN IT WITH MANY OTHER
PROXIES IN THE REGION, HAS BELOW OR HAMAS, OR EVEN THE
ASSAD REGIME. YOU'VE SEEN IT WITH THE HUGE
SETBACK THAT THE U.S. AND ISRAEL SUSTAINED TO THEIR
NUCLEAR PROGRAM A YEAR AGO. AND ALSO THE SUBSTANTIAL HIT
THAT THEIR AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM AND MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM TOOK
IN THE JUNE WAR. SINCE THEN, THEY'VE BEEN TRYING
TO RECONSTITUTE. WE HAD A STORY ON BLOOMBERG A
FEW DAYS AGO LOOKING AT SATELLITE IMAGERY SUGGESTING
THAT THERE HAD BEEN RECONSTITUTION EFFORTS AT SOME
OF THOSE KEY NUCLEAR SITES. THEY HAVE BEEN REBUILDING UP
THEIR BALLISTIC MISSILE CAPABILITIES IN ANTICIPATION
OF, PERHAPS, WHAT COULD BE MILITARY ATTACK FROM THE U.S.
AND IRAN. AND HERE WE ARE TODAY. HAVING THE ABILITY TO ENRICH A
LITTLE BIT OF URANIUM IS ALSO VERY CORE TO THEIR IDEOLOGY.
THEY NEVER SUGGESTED THEY WERE GOING TO ACTUALLY CONCEDE TO
THE U.S.'S DEMAND OF MAXIMUM PRESSURE, WHICH IS A ZERO
ENRICHMENT POLICY. DAVID: WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT POPULAR
SUPPORT FOR AN INITIATIVE LIKE THIS IN ISRAEL?
WE HEARD A LITTLE ABOUT THIS FROM YOUR COLLEAGUE ETHAN
BRONNER WHEN WE SPOKE TO HIM EARLIER THIS MORNING.
YOUR SENSE OF THE POPULAR REACTION TO WHAT HAS TAKEN
PLACE IN THE LAST FEW HOURS IS LIKELY TO BE IN ISRAEL?
DAN: BUMPER STICKERS, GRAFFITI IN
ENGLISH, CONVENIENTLY AIMED AT TRUMP, AMERICAN VISITORS, THE
MESSAGE WAS "TRUMP FINISHED THE JOB."
THAT APPLIES TO THE MAJORITY OF ISRAELIS GIVEN THAT THEY ARE
STILL ON A WAR FOOTING 2.5 YEARS AFTER OCTOBER 7.
A HAMAS ATTACK THAT WAS ASTONISHINGLY SUCCESSFUL.
ASTONISHINGLY BRUTAL FROM AN ISRAELI PERSPECTIVE, THE
BLOODIEST DAY IN ISRAEL'S HISTORY OF THE WORST DAY FOR
JEWS SINCE THE HOLOCAUST IN TERMS OF THE DEATH TOLL.
AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT AND ISRAELI
PEOPLE MOBILIZED NOT JUST TO DEFEAT HAMAS AND DESTROY IT,
AND THAT IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT TO CHANGE
ISRAEL'S POSITION IN THE REGION SUCH THAT THE THREAT STRUCTURE
AGAINST IT IS PROFOUNDLY DIMINISHED.
MANY ISRAELIS WILL SEE THIS AS, IF YOU LIKE, THE CROWNING
OPERATION OF THAT 2.5 YEAR MULTI-FRONT CAMPAIGN.
I AM HEARING THE WARPLANES BEHIND ME AS I SPEAK AND YOU
MAY KNOW THAT I MAY HAVE TO CUT OUT ANY TIME.
WE ARE EXPECTING MORE SIRENS EMINENTLY.
THERE ARE MORE MISSILES ON THE WAY. GIVEN THE SAMPLING OF MY
NEIGHBORS IN THE BOMB SHELTER, A SENSE OF HIGH SPIRITS.
IF WE CAN JUST OPEN UP, RELIGIOUSLY, ON A RELIGIOUS
NOTE, AND THIS IS A REGION NOT SHORT ON RELIGION, FOR MANY
MUSLIMS THIS ATTACK WILL BE SEEN AS A HUGE AFFRONT, NOT
JUST BECAUSE OF THE TARGETS AND POTENTIAL KILLING OF THE VERY
TOP OF THE TOP OF THE IRANIAN ECHELON, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT
TOOK PLACE DURING THE HOLY MONTH OF RAMADAN WHICH IS BEING
MARKED WITH FASTING AND PRAYER BY MUSLIMS ACROSS THE REGION.
TODAY IS THE JEWISH SABBATH AND AWAY FROM A FESTIVAL WHICH IS
HISTORICALLY MARKING TURNAROUNDS FOR THE JEWISH
PEOPLE. THAT IS WHAT MANY ISRAELIS WILL
BE THINKING ABOUT WHEN THEY HOPE FOR SUCCESS AGAINST IRAN
IN THIS CAMPAIGN. DAVID: STAY SAFE, BOTH OF THEM JOINING
US FROM THE REGION THIS MORNING. CHRISTINA:
WE WANT TO BRING IN JOHN BOLTON. AMBASSADOR, YOU ARE A LONGTIME
CRITIC OF IRAN. I WONDER WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT
THE STRIKES AND HOW THEY WERE CARRIED OUT AND IF THEY WERE
LEGAL UNDER PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY? JOHN:
THE OBJECTIVES OF THE STRIKES ARE CORRECT AND PROPER.
ELIMINATING THE THREAT OF
IRAN'S NUCLEAR THREAT PROGRAM, IT'S A LONG HISTORY DATING BACK
TO WHEN IT CAME TO POWER IN 1979 OF INTERNATIONAL
TERRORISM, PARTICULARLY AGAINST AMERICANS, AND ITS REPRESSION
OF ITS OWN PEOPLE WHICH DONALD TRUMP TO A REDLINE AGAINST IN
JANUARY AND SAID THE HELP IS ON ITS WAY.
I THINK THAT THE OBJECTIVES ARE CLEAR THAT THIS IS MANIFESTLY
WITHIN THE PRESIDENT'S COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF AUTHORITY.
THE GANG OF EIGHT WERE BRIEFED ON THIS ON TUESDAY.
IF CONGRESS DOESN'T LIKE IT, CONGRESS CAN CUT OFF
APPROPRIATIONS. THAT'S WHERE CONGRESSIONAL
POWER COMES IN. DAVID: IF YOU WERE TO TAKE JOHN
BOLTON'S PLAN FOR REGIME CHANGE IN IRAN BOOK OFF THE SHELF, I'M
CURIOUS WHAT YOU MAKE OF THE MEANS BY WHICH THE PRESIDENT
DECIDED TO DO THIS. THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE IF
THERE WAS ONE HERE. AND THE COOPERATION WITH ISRAEL
ON THESE ATTACKS. JOHN: A COUPLE OF THINGS WORRY ME.
IN HIS STATEMENT IN THE VERY EARLY MORNING HOURS TODAY WHEN
HE TOLD THE PEOPLE OF IRAN THAT HE WAS FINALLY DELIVERING, HE
SAID, NOW YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS GIVING YOU WHAT YOU
WANT, SO LET'S SEE HOW YOU RESPOND.
THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE COOPERATION WITH THE
OPPOSITION, IT SOUNDS LIKE A CHALLENGE.
I'M WORRIED THAT THIS CAMPAIGN IN THE AIR, HOWEVER IMPORTANT
IT MAY BE FOR OTHER REASONS, HAS NOT BEEN MADE CLEAR TO THE
PEOPLE OF IRAN, HOW THEY CAN USE THE TIME FOR DEFECTIONS
WITHIN THE REGIME TO TRY TO PULL IT APART AT THE TOP.
WHEN AUTOCRATIC REGIMES BEGIN TO FOR ALL PEOPLE SAY I WANT
TO BE ON THE WINNING SIDE. IF THEY THINK THAT THE REGIME
IS IN DANGER THEY COULD WEALTH EFFECT TO THE OPPOSITION.
I THINK IT'S THAT COORDINATION
WITH THE OPPOSITION LEADERS, A DISORGANIZED OPPOSITION TO BE
SURE, BUT I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF I KNEW THERE WAS MORE TO
THAT. SECOND, I WORRY ABOUT THE
POTENTIAL THAT AFTER A COUPLE, THREE DAYS, TRUMP DECLARES, OK,
THAT'S A VICTORY AND NOW IT'S UP TO THE PEOPLE OF IRAN.
THAT WON'T BE ENOUGH.
ITS NOT A ONE AND DONE OPERATION.
THESE ATTACKS AS THEY DESTROY THE INSTRUMENTS OF IRANIAN
STATE POWER CAN BE VERY EFFECTIVE, BUT IT REMAINS TO BE
SEEN IF TRUMP WILL CARRY THROUGH. CHRISTINA:
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU BREAK IT, YOU BOUGHT IT. IF THE U.S.
DESTROYS THIS REGIME, WHAT SHOULD THE U.S.
SET UP IN ORDER TO FACILITATE SOME SORT OF DEMOCRATIC
TRANSITION IN THE COUNTRY? IS THAT POSSIBLE GIVEN THE
DECADES LONG OPPRESSION OF CIVIL SOCIETY?
WHO LEADS IRAN IF THE AYATOLLAH DOES NOT? JOHN:
THAT WILL BE UP TO THE IRANIANS. I DON'T BUY THE POTTERY BARN
RULE. I BUY AMERICAN NATIONAL PROGRAMS WHICH WERE THREATENED
BY THE NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND BALLISTIC MISSILE PROGRAM AND
DECADES OF TERRORISM. I THINK WE COULD HELP THE
IRANIANS IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO
THEM. I THINK THE MOST LIKELY NEAR
TERM OUTCOME OF THE FALL OF THE AYATOLLAH AND REVOLUTIONARY
GUARD WILL BE A MILITARY GOVERNMENT, SECULAR MILITARY
GOVERNMENT. NOT THE REVOLUTIONARY GUARD,
BUT CONVENTIONAL MILITARY THAT WILL HOPEFULLY ALLOW THE
IRANIAN PEOPLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS
TO DECIDE ON WHAT THEY WANT THEIR NEW GOVERNMENT TO LOOK
LIKE. DAVID: YOU HAVE A SOMEWHAT UNIQUE
VANTAGE ON THE WAY THE PRESIDENT THINKS ABOUT THESE
MATTERS, AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT THAT.
THERE WAS THE STATEMENT HE PUBLISHED LAST NIGHT THAT HE
TOOK PAST PRESIDENTS TO TASK FOR NOT DOING WHAT HE DID,
SAYING THAT HE HAD THE GALL, THE MIGHT, AND THE WILLINGNESS
TO DO WHAT THEY HAD UNWILLINGNESS TO DO IN THE
PAST. I DON'T NEED YOU TO BE AN ARMCHAIR PSYCHOLOGIST, BUT WHAT
CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE WAY THE PRESIDENT HAS VIEWED THIS
ISSUE IN HIS EVOLUTION ON THEIR BEING STRIKES LIKE THESE
AGAINST IRAN? JOHN: HE DIDN'T DO IT IN HIS FIRST
TERM EITHER. THAT WAS DESPITE MY BEST
EFFORTS TO CONVINCE HIM TO. I THINK IF WE HAD DONE THIS 25
YEARS AGO THE WORLD WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE.
IT ALWAYS GETS HARDER AS TIME GOES BY.
IF WE HAD DONE IT BEFORE IRAN'S SUPPORT TO HAMAS, THE HOUTHIS,
MAYBE THERE WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A HAMAS ATTACK ON ISRAEL
OCTOBER 7, 2020 THREE. MAYBE THE TERRORIST GROUPS
WOULD HAVE NEVER HAD THAT CAPACITY THAT IRAN HAS GIVEN
THEM OVER DECADES.
WHY HAS TRUMP COME TO THIS POINT?
I'M NOT A PSYCHIATRIST. I'M NOT EVEN SURE A PSYCHIATRIST COULD
TELL YOU IT'S BROUGHT INTO THIS POINT.
EVERY ARGUMENT THAT HE MADE IN HIS SPEECH IN THE EARLY HOURS
OF THIS MORNING WERE POINTS THAT WERE MADE TO HIM DURING
HIS FIRST TERM. I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT,
BECAUSE I WAS AMONG THOSE WHO ARE MAKING THEM. CHRISTINA:
DO YOU THINK THIS IS NETANYAHU'S INFLUENCE? JOHN:
NETANYAHU HAD THIS VIEW FOR A LONG TIME, TOO BUT HE MADE
THOSE POINTS DURING THE FIRST TERM AND THEY DID IT TAKE
EFFECT THEN, FOR SURE. DAVID: HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THERE
BEING A WIDER WAR HERE? THAT WAS THE WARNING FROM THE
SUPREME LEADER BEFORE THE STRIKES TOOK PLACE.
THAT IF THEY WERE TO HAPPEN WE WOULD SEE THIS ESCALATE AND
ESCALATE WIDELY. AS WE HAVE HEARD FROM
COLLEAGUES AROUND THE REGION THIS MORNING, IT SOUNDS LIKE
THAT IS HAPPENING. THERE HAS BEEN ALL MATTER OF
MISSILE DEFENSE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS ROILING BEYOND
IRAN ACROSS THE REGION. HOW MUCH DOES THAT WORRY YOU AS
YOU TALK ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S CAPACITY TO STICK WITH THIS AS
LONG AS HE NEEDS TO STICK WITH IT?
HOW MUCH DOES IT WHERE YOU HE MAY HAVE THAT IN? CHRISTINA:
IF I MAY, WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT OF HOW MUCH
FIREPOWER IRAN HAS LEFT AND HOW LONG THEY CAN LAST? JOHN:
I THINK IT HAS BEEN DRAMATICALLY REDUCED BY
ISRAEL'S RESPONSE TO THE SECOND ICBM ATTACK AGAINST ISRAEL.
THE ISRAELIS RESPONDED IN LATE 2024 AND DID A LOT OF DAMAGE.
BETWEEN ISRAEL AND THE UNITED STATES AND THE 12-DAY WAR LAST
SUMMER, A LOT OF DAMAGE WAS DONE.
IRAN'S TERRORIST SURROGATES, THEY ARE PALE SHADOWS OF WHAT
THEY WERE BEFORE.
WHEN WE CAN SEE, APPARENTLY, IS AT LEAST SOME MISSILES HAVE
BEEN LODGED AGAINST THE GULF ARAB STATES AND AGAINST ISRAEL.
THEY ARE REPORTING THAT THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THEY
WILL JOIN THE UNITED STATES AND RESPONDING TO THE ATTACKS FROM
IRAN, AND APPARENTLY QATAR HAS SAID SOMETHING SIMILAR.
IF THE IRANIANS WANT TO TRY TO RIDE THE WAR, THEY ARE SIGNING
MORE DEATH WARRANTS FOR THEMSELVES, I THINK. DAVID:
IN A BROADER CONTEXT, WE SAW THE STATEMENT FROM RUSSIA THIS
MORNING. A LOT OF WHATABOUTISM. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS OVER THE
COURSE OF THE MORNING. IRAN FOR A LONG TIME ENJOYED
THE SUPPORT OF RUSSIA AND WE HAVE SEEN RUSSIA GREATLY
REDUCED BY ITS ADVENTURISM IN UKRAINE AND THAT IT HAS BEEN
MARGINALIZED ON THE WORLD STAGE. HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THESE TWO
POWERS IN COMPLEMENT, IRAN AND RUSSIA, AND WHAT DOES THAT TELL
YOU ABOUT THIS MOMENT AND WHY THIS HAPPENED NOW? JOHN:
YOU NEED TO BRING CHINA INTO THE PICTURE TOO BECAUSE OF ITS
DEPENDENCE ON IRANIAN OIL DESPITE OUR SANCTIONS.
THE RUSSIANS COULD NOT SAVE THE ROSATO GENE -- CANNOT SAVE THE
ASSAD REGIME WHEN FORCES SWEPT INTO POWER IN DAMASCUS RUSSIA
WAS NOT ABLE TO SAVE MADURO. THE REGIME ITSELF STILL IN
POWER IN VENEZUELA, UNFINISHED BUSINESS IN MY VIEW, BUT RUSSIA
HAS BEEN SEVERELY DEPLETED BECAUSE OF THE UKRAINE WAR.
NOT ENOUGH TO STOP THAT WAR, BUT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT VERY HARD
FOR THEM TO GO AFTER THEIR PUNITIVE ALLIES ELSEWHERE IN
THE WORLD.
IN THE PAST WEEK OR SO, IT WAS REPORTED BEING ON THE VERGE OF
SIGNING A CONTRACT TO SELL IRAN ANTISHIP MISSILES WHICH ARE OF
GREAT CONCERN TO US. THIS IS ONE REASON WHY ACTING
NOW AGAINST IRAN SAVES US FROM POTENTIALLY EVEN GREATER RISK
IN THE FUTURE. CHRISTINA: AMBASSADOR, BEFORE WE LET YOU
GO, WE'VE SEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP GO AFTER THE LEADER OF
VENEZUELA, NOW GO AFTER THE LEADERSHIP OF IRAN.
IT'S STILL UNCLEAR HOW SUCCESSFUL THOSE EFFORTS WERE.
WHY DON'T WE SEE THAT SAME APPETITE TO GO AFTER OTHER
AUTOCRATS WHO HAVE CAUSED CONFLICT?
THE FIRST NAME THAT COMES TO MIND IS VLADIMIR PUTIN.
WHY DOES THE PRESIDENT HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO MORE
PRUDENT THAN OTHER LEADERS AROUND THE WORLD? JOHN:
HE THINKS HE AND PRESIDENT PUTIN ARE FRIENDS, HE AND XI
JINPING, KIM JONG-UN, RITA BAIRD -- ERDOGAN, THEY ARE
FRIENDS. THE EFFORT TO OVERTHROW THE
GOVERNMENT OF MAJURO, WE TRIED AND FAILED IN 2018 AND 2019.
TRUMP IS JUST GETTING BACK TO I THINK THE THINGS THAT I WAS
CERTAINLY HOPING HE WOULD DO THEN, AND MAYBE THE GOVERNMENT
-- THE POST-CASTRO GOVERNMENT IN CUBA WOULD BE NEXT.
CHRISTINA: WE APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHTS.
DAVID: FOLLOWING AMBASSADOR BOLTON,
MARK CHAMPION, A BLOOMBERG OPINION COLUMNIST AT THE CENTER
FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES.
MARK CHAMPION, YOU ARE OUT WITH A PIECE THIS MORNING FOCUSED ON
WHAT THE U.S.'S OBJECTIVES WERE. TO SUMMARIZE THE PIECE THE
OBJECTIVES WERE EVERYTHING. I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU MADE OF
THE STATEMENT FROM THE PRESIDENT THIS MORNING.
TO READ A LITTLE, THE U.S. HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT CANNOT WORK THIS TIME.
ONE THING IS CERTAIN, THERE IS NOBODY IN WASHINGTON WHO CAN BE
SURE WHERE THIS WAR OF CHOICE LEADS.
HOW DID YOU PROCESS WITH THE PRESIDENT SAID?
AS YOU RIGHTLY POINTED OUT WE'VE GOT MIXED EXPLANATIONS
FROM THE PRESIDENT ABOUT WHAT THE OBJECTIVES ARE FROM THE
MILITARY OR DIPLOMATIC TRACK. YOUR SENSE OF THE SPEECH FROM
THE PRESIDENT THIS MORNING? MARK:
YEAH, I WAS STRUCK BY HOW MANY DIFFERENT GOALS HE PACKED IN
THERE. THE ONE THAT HE WAS SLIGHTLY
HEDGED ON WAS THE NUCLEAR GOAL, BUT ONLY BECAUSE HE CLAIMED
DURING THE LAST ATTACK THAT THE PROGRAM WAS OBLITERATED.
SO, THAT WAS DIFFICULT TO MAJOR ON THIS TIME, BUT NEVERTHELESS
DESTROYING THE NAVY, DESTROYING THE BALLISTIC MISSILE CAPACITY,
THE FACTORIES FOR THE BALLISTIC MISSILES, AND ULTIMATELY REGIME
CHANGE. TO ME, THAT IS THE KEY.
IF THE U.S. WERE GOING TO ATTACK IN A BIG
WAY AND WANTED TO ACHIEVE THESE THINGS THAT I COULD NOT ACHIEVE
IN THE NEGOTIATION, REMEMBER THEY DID GO AND TRY TO
NEGOTIATE. THEY DID SAY TO THE IRANIANS WE
NEED A COMPLETE END TO YOUR NUCLEAR ACTIVITIES.
THEY WANTED ALSO TO TALK ABOUT MISSILES AND PROXIES.
THE IRANIANS SAID NO. THAT WAS FAIRLY PROTECTABLE,
BUT NEVERTHELESS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING NOW IS WE WILL DO THIS
BY FORCE, BUT IT ONLY REALLY WORKS IF YOU GET REGIME CHANGE.
THAT'S THE LESSON OF WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE.
THAT WE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL SET, IN MILITARY TERMS, OF
ATTACKS LAST SUMMER WHEN THE ISRAELI AND U.S.
AIR FORCES ATTACKED THE NUCLEAR SITES AND OTHER MISSILE
LAUNCHES, ETC. THEY TOOK OUT A LOT OF THE AIR
DEFENSES WHICH HAS MADE THIS ATTACK MUCH EASIER.
THE LESSON OF THAT WAS, WE'RE BACK.
WE ARE BACK AT DOING IT AGAIN. WHY? THERE WAS NO REGIME CHANGE.
AND IS THE SAME REGIME. THEY HAVE THE SAME GOALS.
THEY HAVE THE MEANS TO REBUILD THEIR PROGRAMS. THEY REBUILT
THEIR BALLISTIC MISSILE STUFF THAT WAS DESTROYED FAIRLY
QUICKLY. THAT'S REALLY THE KEY HERE.
EITHER IT WORKS IN WHICH CASE YOU GET REGIME CHANGE, OR
NOT. CHRISTINA:CHRISTINA: MONA, WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT
OF HOW REGIONAL ALLIES FEEL ABOUT REGIME CHANGE?
IF THERE IS A POWER VACUUM, A CIVIL WAR, THEY WILL FEEL THE
CONSEQUENCES OF THAT FIRST. QATAR, THE UAE, BAHRAIN, THE
OMANI'S WHO WERE FACILITATING THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT WERE FOR
NAUGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY READ OF EVEN IF
THEY ARE NOT FANS OF THE IRANIAN REGIME FEARS THEY MAY
HAVE AROUND IT IMPLODING? MONA THEY ARE NOT FANS OF THE
IRANIAN REGIME AND YOU HAVE SEEN SHARP STATEMENTS COME OUT
OF BOTH SAUDI ARABIA, THE UAE WITH RESPECT TO STRIKES THAT
IRAN HAS ALREADY TAKEN, RETALIATORY STRIKES COME ON U.S.
TARGETS IN THEIR COUNTRIES. THAT SIAID, THERE IS NO DOUBT
THAT THIS IS A NIGHTMARE SCENARIO FOR THE NEIGHBORING
GULF COUNTRIES. THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT THEY HAD
BEEN HOPING AGAINST AND HAD BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY BEHIND
THE SCENES IN ORDER FOR NEGOTIATIONS AND DIPLOMACY TO
BE SUCCESSFUL. I HEARD EARLY THIS MORNING FROM
AN OMANI CONTACT WHO SAID THIS IS THE WORST SCENARIO THAT WE
FEARED PLAYING OUT. IT IS STILL EARLY DAYS.
IT'S HARD TO SAY EXACTLY HOW THE VARIOUS REPERCUSSIONS ARE
GOING TO UNFOLD, BUT I THINK THIS IS
GOING TO GET A LOT MORE COMPLICATED IN THE COMING DAYS
AND PERHAPS WEEKS. DAVID: LET ME ASK ABOUT THE POLITICS
OF IMPATIENCE. PRESIDENTIAL IMPATIENCE HAS
BECOME A JOKE AS WE TRY TO COUNT HOW MANY WARS THE
PRESIDENT SAYS THAT HE SOLVED. DRAWING THAT TOGETHER IS THE
SPEED WITH WHICH HE SAYS HE HAS DONE IT.
VENEZUELA, THAT WAS A MAJOR EVENT THAT HAPPENED OVER THE
COURSE OF NOT EVEN 24 HOURS, 12 HOURS.
WE SEE THE AFTERMATH OF THAT, THE DIFFICULTY ON THE GROUND IN
VENEZUELA OF PLOTTING A PATH FORWARD.
YOU HAVE AN INTERIM PRESIDENT TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WHO SHE IS
RESPONSIBLE TO. HER PARTY, THE PEOPLE IN
VENEZUELA, OR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
TO WHAT AMBASSADOR BOLTON SAID, THIS IS A PRESIDENT THAT WILL
HAVE TO HAVE SOME STICK WITH IT -NESS IN IRAN GOING FORWARD.
DO YOU SEE THAT IN LIGHT OF OTHER ADVENTURES AROUND THE
WORLD? MARC: NO, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND HE
MAY NOT HAVE A LOT OF CHOICE. THAT'S THE THING ABOUT STARTING
A MAJOR WAR. THIS IS NOT A SPECIAL OPERATION.
WHAT YOU HAD IN VENEZUELA WAS A COMMAND OPERATION.
IT COULD HAVE GONE BADLY WRONG IN A WAY THAT THE OPERATION
ORDER BY PRESIDENT CARTER WENT WRONG IN 1979 IN IRAN.
IT COULD HAVE GONE WRONG, BUT IT WENT VERY WELL AND I THINK
THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS IS HAPPENING NOW.
BASICALLY, THE PRESIDENT HAS HAD TWO VERY SUCCESSFUL
MILITARY OPERATIONS. THE FIRST IN VENEZUELA AND THE
SECOND LAST SUMMER WHEN THEY BOMBED THE NUCLEAR SITES IN
IRAN. THEY DID THAT SUCCESSFULLY.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DESTROYED EVERYTHING, BUT THE
PLANES WENT HOME AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DAMAGE DONE.
I THINK THAT ENCOURAGED HIM TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE A GO NOW.
IT'S JUST THAT I'M VERY DUBIOUS HE HAS A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF
HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO CONTROL EVENTS ONCE YOU BEGIN A
LARGE-SCALE CONFLICT. AND ALSO HOW DIFFICULT IT CAN
BE TO END THEM ON YOUR TERMS. CHRISTINA:
I WONDER WHAT YOUR ASSESSMENT WAS ON THE IMPACT OF IRAN'S
NUCLEAR PROGRAM AFTER THE FIRST ROUND OF STRIKES?
THE PRESIDENT SAID WE DESTROYED THOSE FACILITIES.
WE OBLITERATED THEM. NUCLEAR EXPERTS THAT I TALKED
TO WERE LESS SURE. WE ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT IRAN
BEING ABLE TO BUILD THOSE BACK QUICKLY.
IS THAT ASSESSMENT ACCURATE? WE HEARD THE PRESIDENT SAY THAT
THERE WAS AN IMMINENT THREAT. WAS THE BREAKOUT TIME THAT
DIFFERENT THAN 3, 4, FIVE WEEKS AGO? MONA: I DON'T THINK SO.
SURELY THE PRESIDENT SAID OBLITERATED FOR HIS OWN
POLITICAL REASONS LAST JUNE, BUT BY ALL ACCOUNTS THE NUCLEAR
FACILITIES DID SUSTAIN SOME AMOUNT IF NOT SIGNIFICANT
DAMAGE. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE WERE NO
INTELLIGENCE REPORTS SUGGESTING THAT IRAN WAS EMINENTLY GOING
TO HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON CAPABILITY.
ON THE CONTRARY, THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT WERE ONGOING
WORK, IN FACT, FOCUSED ON WHETHER AND HOW IRAN MIGHT BE
WILLING TO COMPROMISE ITS AMBITIONS, POTENTIALLY EVEN
DOWN TO ZERO ENRICHMENT. IT'S NOT AT ALL CLEAR THAT WE
WERE THERE. BY MANY ACCOUNTS WE WERE FAR
APART, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S VERY HARD TO MAKE THE CASE THAT
THERE WAS AN IMMINENT THREAT OF IRANIAN NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES.
CHRISTINA: WE HAVE SOME LINES COMING IN
FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT FROM U.S. OFFICIAL SECRETARY OF STATE
RUBIO. LAID OUT THE SITUATION AND
CONSULTED THE GANG OF EIGHT TUESDAY IN AN HOUR-LONG
BRIEFING. SECRETARY RUBIO THEN MADE CALLS
TO ALL OF THE MEMBERS TO GIVE THEM A HEADS UP AHEAD OF TIME.
THEY SAID THAT HE SUCCESSIVELY CONNECTED WITH SEVEN OF EIGHT
AND ONE WAS NOT REACHABLE. DAVID:
JOHN THUNE THE LEADER IN THE SENATE WAS ONE OF THEM AND HE
PRAYS TO SECRETARY RUBIO FOR THE INFORMATION HE GOT IN
ADVANCE OF THIS. LET ME CLOSE BY ASKING ABOUT
THE GRAVITY OF WHAT HAPPENED. WE SEE THE PRESIDENT GO TO A
PODIUM THAT MAR-A-LAGO NOT WEARING A NECK TIE, WEARING A
WHITE BASEBALL CAP WITH USA EMBLAZONED ON IT, RELEASING A
STATEMENT TO NO CHRIS, NO ONE WAS IN THE AUDIENCE, POSTED ON
SOCIAL MEDIA, AND HE'S NOT SCHEDULED TO SPEAK TODAY.
-- TECHNO-PRESS, NO ONE WAS IN THE AUDIENCE, POSTED ON SOCIAL
MEDIA, AND HE'S NOT SCHEDULED TO SPEAK TODAY.
HE IS A PRESIDENT OF WORK NOW. HE HAS CHARACTERIZED THIS AS A
WAR. HOW DO YOU CONTRAST THAT, THE
GRAVITY OF THE MOMENT, WITH THE WAY THAT --THE WAY THAT HE IS
APPROACHING THIS? MARC: I CAN'T SAY THAT IT'S A
SURPRISE. THIS IS THE WAY THE PRESIDENT
TRUMP HAS APPROACHED THESE THINGS.
IT IS AN EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFERENT FROM PREVIOUS UNITED
STATES PRESIDENTS. IT IS NOT MY TASTE THAT THAT IS
HOW I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MY LEADER ANNOUNCED THAT HE HAS
TAKEN A COUNTRY TO WAR. MY PREFERENCE WOULD ALSO BE
THAT HE WOULD GO FIRST TO
CONGRESS AND GET PERMISSION, AGREEMENT, FOR A WORD OF CHOICE.
AS WAS SAID BEFORE, THERE WAS NO IMMINENT THREAT HERE.
EVEN IF THE IRANIANS HAD BEEN ABLE TO RECONSTITUTE THEIR
NUCLEAR PROGRAM, THE PROGRAM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS AN URANIUM
ENRICHMENT PROGRAM. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS
BUILDING A WARHEAD AND PUTTING IT ON A MISSILE.
IT'S NOT YET -- THERE IS A DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE THINGS.
IT IS IMPORTANT, THE BREAKOUT THING IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE BUT
NOT AN IMMINENT THREAT. IT IS TRUMP.
IT IS ENTIRELY TRUMP.
I IMAGINE THAT HIS BASE LIKES THAT.
HE THINKS THAT IMAGE WILL WORK FOR HIM.
NOT TO MY TASTE, BUT THAT IS WHO HE IS.
CHRISTINA: THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US
TODAY. DAVID: TURNING TO MARKETS AND THE
ECONOMY. A FOCUS FOR US AS WE WATCH THIS
UNFOLD. WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PRIME
MINISTER OF THE UNITED KINGDOM NOW SAYING THAT U.K.
PLANES ARE IN THE SKY FOR DEFENSIVE OPERATIONS AND WE
WILL MONITOR WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER IS SAYING.
TOM KEENE ON BLOOMBERG RATE AND YOUTUBE JOINS US.
I WONDER HOW YOU ARE PROCESSING ALL OF THIS.
YOU AND I HAVE BEEN IN THE STUDIO FOR MAJOR EVENTS LIKE
THIS ONE BEFORE. HOW ARE YOU FRAMING THIS IN THE
CONTEXT THROUGH THE PRISM OF MARKETS AND THE ECONOMY? TOM:
THE MARKETS WILL VOTE, NOT MONDAY MORNING NEW YORK TIME,
WITH THE TRADING OF THE
JAPANESE YEN OPENING AT 7:00-ISH SUNDAY EVENING NEW
YORK TIME. WE WILL GET A VOTE ON BRENT
CRUDE. $100 A BARREL CLOSING AT $73 A
BARREL ON FRIDAY. I HAVE NO INFORMATION ON IF WE
EXPLODE UP IN THE PRICE OF OIL, BUT THAT WILL BE THE FIRST
MARKET THAT PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT. THE OTHER IS THE SWISS FRANC.
IN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT DAVID AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH, GOING
BACK DECADES AND DECADES, THE SWISS FRANC BECOMES THE
ULTIMATE MONITOR. CHRISTINA: WHEN POLITICAL EVENTS HAPPEN
LIKE THIS, WHAT HISTORICALLY MATTERS MORE?
THE HEADLINE OR SOMETHING MORE? THE DURATION? WHAT MATTERS MORE?
TOM: HISTORICALLY IT IS THE SUPPLY
LINES. IT IS STARK.
DAVID, YOU HAVE COVERED THE ALLOCATION OF PETROLEUM
PRODUCTS FROM IRAN USED TO BE A BLENDED MIX.
NOW, AS THE PRESIDENT WOULD SAY, IT IS CHINA, CHINA, CHINA.
IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE PETROLEUM DISRUPTION TO
CHINA PLAYS IN HERE. NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT CHINA
YET. MAYBE ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY WE
WILL LEARN MORE ABOUT BEIJING. CHRISTINA:
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW PRESIDENT TRUMPS POLICY IMPACTS
MARKETS BUT THIS IS A PRESIDENT THAT WATCHES MARKETS AND
NUMBERS CLOSELY. HOW DO YOU THINK THOSE NUMBERS
WILL IMPACT THE PRESIDENT'S POLICY IF THIS CONTINUES AND
THE NUMBER START TO LOOK BAD? TOM:
ALWAYS HE MONITORS THE STOCK MARKET.
TO SEE WHAT NOT ONLY THE STOCK MARKET HERE DOES BUT A BOOMING
SOUTH KOREA AND A MASSIVE BULL MARKET.
HE WILL MONITOR THE EQUITY MARKETS.
I THINK THAT THE BLOOMBERG WORLD WILL LOOK AT INTEREST
RATES TO CLOSE ON THE U.S. 10 YEAR YIELD UNDER 4%.
A BIG DEAL. 3.94%. LIKE THE BANK OF MONTREAL MAKES
CLEAR, HE'S NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT FOR A DISTANT 3.7 5%.
WILL IT BE PRICE UPCOMING YIELD DOWN ON MONDAY AND THE BOND
MARKET? NO OBVIOUSLY, OIL, BUT I WILL
GO OLD SCHOOL AND SAY TO WATCH THE SWISS FRANC. DAVID:
A FEW PEOPLE HERE READ AS WIDELY OR DEEPLY AS YOU.
I WONDER WHO YOU WILL BE LOOKING TO FOR ANALYSIS?
I THINK PETER TCHIR WHO WRITES A LOT ABOUT GLOBAL MACRO RISK.
I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU HAVE READ IF ANYTHING THIS MORNING THAT
YOU WOULD WANT TO BRING TO THE TABLE.
WHO YOU ARE LOOKING TO HEAR FROM WHEN IT COMES TO MARKET
VOICES, ECONOMIC VOICES. WHO WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER
SENSE OF THE IMPACT? TOM: ALL OF THE STAFF WORKING ON
SATURDAY CAME TO ME WITH THE SAME QUESTION.
THE FIRST NAME OUT OF MY MOUTH IS MY BOOK OF THE YEAR A COUPLE
OF YEARS AGO. THE LOOM OF TIME, THE VIEW
ACROSS THE ARAB WORLD. FROM MOROCCO TO PERSIA, WHICH
IS NOT PART OF THE ARAB WORLD. THE ONE PERSON THAT I WANT TO
TALK TO YOU RIGHT NOW IS ROBERT D KAPLAN. CHRISTINA:
BITCOIN IS DOWN -- JOHN: BITCOIN IS DOWN, WHAT DOES IT
SAY ABOUT THE RISK APPETITE?
TOM: IT IS ALL WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
TO BREAK DOWN UNDER A 63 PRINT, 59,000 PRINT, LISA, I WOULD
ASSUME WOULD BE A HUGE DEAL. I WISH THAT KATIE GREIFELD WAS
HERE. BUT THE ANSWER IS, THAT'S ALL
WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW. THE CHANGES AS WE GO INTO THE
UNITED STATES EARLY SUNDAY EVENING. DAVID:
LET ME ASK HOW YOU LOOK AT THIS IN CONFIDENCE WHAT HAS BEEN
DRIVING THE MARKET OVER THE LAST WEEK OR TWO.
SO MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIVATE CREDIT SPACE, THE
PROSPECTS FOR AI BEING REVOLUTIONARY OR A BUBBLE.
HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THOSE THREE THINGS?
WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE OTHER TWO STORIES? TOM:
THE NEWS FLOW ON FRIDAY WAS EXTRAORDINARY.
I THOUGHT THAT I CAME IN FOR A THREE-HOUR SHOW. CHRISTINA:
NEVER SAY THAT IT WILL BE A SLOW NEWS DAY. YOU KNOW THAT.
TOM: IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE FRIDAY AND
NOW WE HAVE THESE EVENTS. MARC CHAMPION WAS RIVETING.
WE WILL HEAR FROM THE PRESIDENT, FROM THE SECRETARY
OF STATE MARCO RUBIO, AND OTHER VOICES THAT WILL SURPRISE US.
I KNOW WORKING OFF THE BLOOMBERG TERMINAL ON THE PHONE
THAT THE NEWS FLOW WHICH YOU HAVE TRIED TO HARNESS THIS
MORNING, IT'S FRANTIC. I HAVE THREE OR FOUR STORIES
THAT I CAN SAY HERE IS THE NEWS ITEM BUT I DO NOT HAVE IT
PROPERLY SOURCED. DAVID: TOM KEENE, ON A VERY BUSY
MORNING HERE COME THE DEBUT OF OUR SHOW BLOOMBERG THIS WEEKEND.
WE WOKE UP TO THE NEWS THAT THE U.S. ATTACKED IRAN AND WE HAVE
WATCHED IN REAL TIME HOW FRENETIC THE NEWS FLOW HAS BEEN.
LOOKING AT STATEMENTS FROM WORLD LEADERS, FROM
CONGRESSIONAL OFFICIALS. CHRISTINA, THAT WILL BE
SOMETHING THAT PERSISTS OVER THE COURSE OF THE WEEKEND.
WE WILL BE BACK HERE TOMORROW ON BLOOMBERG RADIO, BLOOMBERG
STREAMING, BLOOMBERG.COM, THE BLOOMBERG APP, MORE ON THE
ONGOING CRISIS IN IRAN STARTING TOMORROW AT 7:00 A.M. EASTERN.
CHRISTINA: WE WILL SEE YOU BACK HERE AT
THE SAME TIME TOMORROW.
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On a Saturday morning, the U.S. and Israel launched joint military strikes on Iran, which quickly retaliated with missile attacks targeting U.S. bases and Israel, escalating into a regional conflict. President Trump announced the operation via social media, emphasizing the goal of preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and encouraging Iranians to overthrow their regime. The strikes and subsequent retaliation led to airspace closures and shelter-in-place orders across the Middle East. Discussions revolved around congressional authority for the military action, the potential for U.S. casualties, and the economic impact, particularly on oil markets. Unconfirmed reports from Israeli media suggested the death of Iran's Supreme Leader. Analysts debated the U.S.'s long-term strategy, the timing of the strikes amidst ongoing negotiations, and the implications for regional stability and U.S. credibility.
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