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>> We're up.

>> How are you, sir? Pleasure to meet you.

>> It's great to be here. Thanks for having

me. Great to be back in Texas.

>> I'm glad we finally did this.

>> Yes, me too.

>> I wanted to do it the first go around.

>> Yeah, I know. Uh well, when I got the

invitation, we were in the middle of the

election and we just don't leave the

country during election campaigns.

>> I get it. And uh the problem we've had

is we can't get you to come to Canada.

>> And so uh we've actually hatched a full

strategy to get you into Canada cuz we

think it's going to do big things for

our tourism numbers. So do you mind if I

present you with something right out of

the gate?

>> Sure.

>> All right. This is uh

>> this is from a gunsmith and machinist in

Calgary, Alberta. His name is Jay, and

he's designed uh

>> Look at this kettle bell. Guess what the

weight is?

>> Uh 70 pounds.

>> 70 pounds. That's the That's the weight

you cabinet. It says on the front here,

Jamie, it says here on the front, Jamie,

pull it up. So, we've got that. We've

got uh you see here some other stuff. Uh

for a stand.

>> Oh, that's really cool.

>> Look at this stand here. So, we've got

seeing is believing, which I think was

the slogan of the first UFC that you

were the commentator for. I think it was

number 13.

>> 12.

>> Number 12. Right. And then we've got

here your favorite quote from um

what's his name? The Japanese uh martial

artist.

>> Yes. And it says,

>> "If you know the way broadly, you will

see it in everything."

>> So that's here. And then Morris code.

There's a thank you letter for you. And

we've got

>> you've got your flying saucer.

>> And we've got your logo here, too. So,

but most important of all,

>> we've got a subliminal message, which is

the Canadian maple leaf.

>> Oh. Every time you do a kettle bell

swing, you do a snatch, you do a clean,

you're going to be seeing that maple

leaf and you're going to be reminding

yourself that you need to come back to

Canada.

>> All right.

>> All right. I'll present that to you

there.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Go on there, too.

>> Very cool.

>> Is that in the way, Jamie?

>> I can take it off.

>> We'll take it off.

>> Put it down.

>> So, uh,

>> I saw your I saw your, uh, interview

with Pavle. And I'm a I'm a big

kettlebell freak.

>> Are you really?

>> Yeah, absolutely. And I started

researching him after you had him on and

I was trying to I love history. So

>> I was thinking why did the Russians come

up with this? And uh it it turns out

they used it as a counterweight at the

farmer markets. So they would say, you

know, you come in, you have to say this

is how much potatoes you're buying. But

instead of trying to do it by eyeball,

they would put what is now kabel on one

side of the scale and then the produce

on the other. And then at the farmers

expeditions, you had these big Russian

farmers who want to show how strong they

were. So they would pick them up and do

all kinds of um displays with them. And

then then the Russian army took it on,

the Soviet army took it on. And then

that's where Pavle picked it up and then

brought it over the Atlantic and uh

introduced it to America.

>> Wow, that's crazy. So it was just

accidental that they made this very

functional tool for fitness. Yeah, it

was the it was just you'd go to a

farmers market, you want to buy some

barley or some potatoes, but you don't

know if you're actually getting the real

weight. So, they'd have a scale, a

balancing scale, and they put the kettle

bell on one side and the produce on the

other, and then you knew you got the

right amount. And then, of course, they

have these big farmers um farm fairs,

and they're showing off their their

horses and their cattle and stuff, and

they want to do strength displays. So

these farmers are throwing these things

around and the Russian military picked

it up and then the Soviets of course

took over and they took it on and then

Pavle I think he was a Bellar Russian

though if I'm not mistaken Pavl

>> and he brought it over to uh North

America but uh the ancient Chinese did

it as well. You got uh really yeah the

ancient Chinese the Shaolin monks have

used them but they didn't do it with

cast iron. They had theirs were sort of

a concrete a concrete block and uh they

they did it for strength training as

well.

>> Oh wow. Little history.

>> Yeah. So I'm a big kettlebell freak. I I

love it. And uh I really I started to

study what Powell's teaching. I wanted I

think he has an accreditation or

something. If I ever get time I might

take it.

>> Yeah. Strong first. Yeah. That's his uh

organization.

>> And you're doing you have a whole

program. I think you you do clean to

press and then

>> Yeah. I do a bunch of different things.

squats, overhead squat and all that.

>> It's a great functional tool just for

your whole body,

>> right?

>> You know, it's really one of the best

pieces of exercise equipment I think

I've ever found.

>> Yeah. I think he calls it a a cannonball

on a handle. Um and uh the thing I like

about it is the it's like a cat

catapult.

Like it all of the lift is in that that

instant where it flips over your hand

>> and uh the original ones. Wow, that's

crazy.

That's so interesting. So, the handle

was just to pick it up and carry it

around.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> That had a real functional use.

>> Well, it's just amazing how good it is

for a piece of exercise equipment that

was accidentally designed that way.

>> Absolutely. And uh I think it's far

superior to uh to a dumbbell exercise

because there's no uh a dumbbell you got

a you get a consistent lift, but that's

not real life. If you're in a fight or

you have to pick something up heavy, it

doesn't lift consistently. It's it's

explosive in that small range and you

know when you're doing a snatch, by the

time you get up to your shoulder, the

thing's weightless because the catapult

the catapult effect has taken over and

now it's actually negative weights

lifting your hand up in the air if

you're doing it right. But like if

you're in a fight or if you're in a

wrestling match or you're you're trying

to push really hard against a heavy

object, it's all about explosive power

and that's what kettle bells give rather

than just this sort of uh freeze and

contract thing that you do with with

dumbbells.

>> Have you always been a workout guy?

>> Yeah, look, I I was um big into sports

until my mid- teens. I was on the

wrestling team. I wasn't great. I was

good, but I wasn't great. Um then I got

a a wicked uh tendinitis in my shoulder

>> and it ended my athleticism for like

four years and that's how I got into

politics. I was so bored. I got get home

from school I had nothing to do

>> so I took I told my mother

>> tendinitis got you into politics?

>> Yeah that's what it was. I just couldn't

get rid of it. Like I every time I

thought I had it beat I'd go in and I'd

train and it would be full of

inflammation. No one could do anything

about it. And so I was like bored out of

my mind and I said to my mom like, you

know, you go to these local meetings

with the conservative association, like

take me to that because I'm going crazy.

And

>> that's nuts. Yeah. So that So what what

what were you interested in when you

first went there? Like we just

didn't like the way things were running.

Like what what was it about it that got

you so curious?

Well, I grew up in a suburban

neighborhood in south south end of

Calgary. You know, my folks were

teachers. I was adopted. My mom was a

16-year-old on she she was a obviously a

single mom. She put me up for adoption

to two school teachers. There was

electricians and oil workers and police

officers lived on our street. Normal,

hardworking, good folks. And I always

grew up with the impression they were

getting screwed over and that um the

government didn't listen to people like

them. didn't listen to people who grew

up on streets like ours. And living in

Western Canada, there was a greater

sense of that. We called it Western

alienation at the time. And there was

this guy, kind of a quirky guy, but a

really brilliant guy named Preston

Manning. And I saw this billboard of him

and he had his fist up and it said

enough. And I said, "Yeah, I like that

guy." So I got involved in politics and

I started reading about different

things. I start I read a biography on

Fidel Castro and then I read

>> Justin's dad. No, no, no. Not Justin's

dad, right? No, no, no, no. His dad was

Pierre. His dad was Pierre. His dad was

Pierre. I had issues with Pierre

Trudeau, too, because

>> it's a great conspiracy theory, though.

>> Well, it is a hell of a I don't think

it's a true one, though. his dad is

>> unfortunately

>> his his dad um was very controversial

where I grew up because he did a lot of

damage to the oil sector and we're from

oil country and so that was one of the

things that I felt kind of resentful

about the national government and one of

the reasons I got involved is because

the west deserved a fairer deal and uh

but I read a lot of books like you know

Milton Freriedman capitalism and freedom

and and I came to to to develop a

philosophy based on just maximizing

personal financial, religious freedom,

let people make their own decisions. And

that that animated me to get involved in

politics and fight for that, and I've

been doing it ever since.

>> Wow. That's a fascinating transition

from wrestling and tendonitis, getting

deeply involved in politics.

>> Yeah. I mean, like, you know, you're a

sports guy. If you had suffered an

injury that took you out of taekwond do

when you were young and you you simply

couldn't compete at anything, you'd

probably be looking for some other

adventure.

>> Yeah, that's how it was.

>> Well, we're lucky that stem cells

weren't around back then or you never

would have gotten into politics.

>> That's right. I would have been a

wrestler. I don't know if I would have

won any awards, but uh but yeah, that

that was how I got started and and I got

very active very quickly. I got my first

internship making 600 bucks a month. uh

when I was uh 16 or 17 years old and uh

would you know take uh two trains and a

bus and an hour and 45 minutes each way.

But I was so thrilled. My dad bought me

a used suit and a used pair of shoes.

And I thought this I'm this is so

incredible. I'm an important guy. I wear

dress shoes. I wear I wear a tie. Didn't

matter that the tie was bad bought from

some dead guy whose family had sold it

to a a used store. But uh that was my

start and I loved it.

Well, uh, I'm really excited to have you

in here because I've seen you speak

multiple times and you're a very

reasonable, intelligent person. That

makes a lot of sense. And that is that

is a rare thing in politics. And I love

Canada. Like I I just say I don't go up

there anymore, but it's because I I I

think the government went horribly wrong

over the last, you know, x amount of

years. But the people are amazing. It's

like I was always I've always said that

Canada has like it's like America with

like 20% less [ __ ]

Like every time I would go up there like

people are so nice. They're they're like

the nicest people. And I think that's

part of what went wrong for Canada is

that people are rule followers and you

know they're trusting and kind people

and you know this wolf in sheep's

clothing snuck in and you know was

pretending he was a sweet guy and

passing all these crazy laws and just

when we saw what happened with COVID

with just with what happened with the

truckers and people's accounts getting

shut down for donating to the truckers

Like the whole thing was so concerning

because it's our Canada was like a part

of America almost. I mean, you're a

different country, but it's like you

used to be able to go over there with

just a driver's license, you know? It

was like it was such a cool place to I

started going to the Montreal Comedy

Festival in like 1993. I loved it up

there. It's like one of my favorite

places.

>> Just for laughs.

>> Yeah.

>> Good. How's your French?

>> Not good.

>> Okay, we'll work on that. We'll get you

some French lessons.

>> It's terrible. Well, I don't know any

French words. My wife is learning

French, though. It's interesting. She's

got this app that she's learning French.

Um, but it's just an amazing place. It's

It's a great country. And, um, to see it

go the way it's been going and sliding

the way it's been happening over the

last, you know, x amount of years,

there's just so many things that concern

me. You know, one of the things that

really concerns me is this um, assisted

suicide thing. that one in 20 deaths in

Canada is now assisted suicide. That's

insane.

>> Well, listen, my my view is that people

should have the choice, but uh the

concern we have is the suggestion that

it would be offered to kids or offered

to people whose only condition is me

mental illness,

>> right?

>> I don't agree with that. My concern as

well, I mean, if someone's got a

terminal, like a good friend of mine

>> went to Oregon to end his life because

he had ALS, but I mean, he was gone. I

mean, he could barely talk at the end of

his life. His name is Michael Lair. He

was a regular guest on Kill Tony. Great

guy,

>> right?

>> And

>> it was horrible. I mean, watching him

fade away and he wanted to go out on his

own terms. So, he went to Oregon for

assisted suicide. I mean, there's a

place for it. Yeah,

>> but I mean there was a kid recently in

Canada and he did it for seasonal

depression.

>> You I'm sure you're aware of that case.

>> Like who who allowed that to happen? Who

didn't counsel this young guy? Who

didn't give him a hug? Who didn't tell

him about diet and exercise and changing

your surroundings, your lifestyle and

just do something, right,

>> to give you some hope and happiness?

Like seasonal depression? Really? You're

going to end your life, this beautiful

life on this planet for seasonal

depression. That's

>> that's why we have to do more to give

people hope when they're suffering with

mental illness. Yes. You know, give

people the the sense that they can take

back control of their lives. Uh I think

we do have to promote fitness more

because it gives people it turns them

into a subject that controls their their

surroundings rather than an object being

controlled. It teaches people to that

that hardship is temporary and that the

aftermath is positive. And uh and we

have to give people reinstill people

with a sense of meaning when they're

going through hardship rather than than

to say that it's all over. And uh you

know I think uh we have to our system

needs to be geared towards giving people

all the best options to live on rather

than just suggesting maid as the as the

easy as the as the automatic path for

the system to impose on people. So, uh,

one of the things our party is pushing

for is to make clear that public

servants who are getting phone calls

from people who are in need of help for

something. They shouldn't be offering

that. They shouldn't be offering. People

can seek it out if they want, but when

you're calling up saying, "I'm poor or

I'm struggling or I'm having a mental

illness or I've got an injury." Uh, we

shouldn't have a a government worker

saying, "Well, consider maid." Well, the

the unfortunate thing is that any

organization that gets formed

>> wants to grow and you get financial

incentives

>> and then you hire more people and then

it gets bigger and then what do you have

to do? Well, you have to keep doing what

you're doing. What are you doing? You're

killing people. So, you're going to kill

more people because you're actually

financially incentivized to put more

people through this program and end

their lives.

>> That's that's very sad. So I think we

have to get to get to a point where

people have the freedom to make their

own decisions but they also have hope

that there is an option for them and

that's what we're trying

>> pathway you know and like the exercise

thing is not just give them you know

control of their life. It makes them

happier. It's it's it show there's been

studies that show it's much more

effective than anti-depressants.

>> Absolutely. Well, it's the first of

there's the phys physiological side

which affects the brain, but it's also

the sensation of discomfort that you

push through knowing that you have to

focus on the thing you have to do. And

uh that I think it helps us in anything

we're encountering whether you're going

through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an

injury or an illness if you know that

pushing through to the other side

because you've got a meaning there that

can give people hope for for for a

better life. You know my favorite

psychologist is u Victor Frankle Victor

Frankl and he developed this um logos

treatment which was basically giving

people a sense of meaning. He survived

the Holocaust in the concentration camp

because he had a sense of meaning that

he wanted to his book was stolen from

him in the concentration camp about this

this theory and he wanted to live on so

he could survive and write that book.

And then he found his in his teaching

that it wasn't so much people's

circumstances that determined their

happiness. It was whether they had a

meaning in life. And he tells this

incredible story of a group therapy

session where he had this very rich

woman who was married to a very rich

man. And he had next to him another lady

who was living in terrible poverty.

She'd lost a son and had a second

severely disabled son. And he said to

both them, "What will your life look

look like when you're 80 years old and

you're on your deathbed?" And the the

wealthier lady said, "Well, I will look

back and think that while I had some fun

and enjoyed the simple the the the

luxuries of being very wealthy and

having an easy life that there wasn't a

lot of meaning to it." And whereas the

mother who was struggling with a

disabled child and had lost another one

said, "Well, I gave my first child a

great life, a short one, but a great

one. I struggled to give my disabled

child a good dignified existence and I

leave this world satisfied and happy

that my life had purpose and meaning.

And the lesson that I take from that is

that it is not about whether you have a

gazillion dollars or whether your life

is easy. It's whether you have some

meaning to invest your your your life

into. And I think we have to infuse

people's lives with with meaning so that

they that they can they can live a good

life. Well, that's a great message and I

think that's one of the most important

parts of being a leader is having a

great message and having a great

philosophy and having a great

perspective. And I mean, that's what

disturbed me the most about when Trudeau

was running the country that I I didn't

feel like I thought I felt like he was

manipulating people with woke politics

and ideology and that it was just this

weird slippery slope that people were

falling down where they're losing rights

and you're you're losing your ability to

express yourself.

>> And it just it just really disturbed me

because I always felt that Canada was

like one of the freest places and one of

the most open-minded places. And it just

I I didn't understand how it could fall

so quickly.

>> We we still, you know, we are a free

country and we we are a democracy. We

have preserved that. Um you know, my

leader my this funny moment when Joe

Biden came to Parliament Hill and I

said, um, Mr. President, I'm Pierre

Paul. I'm the leader of his majesty's

loyal opposition. And he said, loyal

opposition? How can you be loyal and

opposition at the same time? I like what

the hell are you talking about? And

because you know you guys have a a

system based on the a republic whereas

ours is the British system and in our

system

the the opposition is an act of loyalty.

That's what our system it means that if

you are opposing the government

you're doing it out of loyalty to the

good of the people and our house of

commons. You have a half circle in your

congress. We have two sides in our

parliament. It's two and a half sword

lengths apart because they used to

literally kill each other in the old

English days. But the idea is the

opposition is to prosecute the hell out

of the government. Make the mighty low.

The most powerful people in the country

are supposed to tremble every time they

walk in that place because know every

mistake they made, every abuse of power,

every corruption they might have done

can be exposed and in front of all eyes.

So our system is really designed to

constrain the power of government

through what we call parliament. Like I

don't work for government. I work for

parliament and parliament works for the

people. We call it the house of commons

because the it's the house of the common

people. It's green in there because they

used to meet in the in the fields of

England. And so I really view the world

of our parliament to limit the power of

government to maximize the power of the

people, make people bigger, stronger,

and more fulfilled by having the

government narrowly focus on the on the

things it's supposed to do, roads,

military, basic social safety net,

borders, police, etc. but then leave

people alone to live their lives. If I

were to start a political party from

scratch, it would be the mind your own

damn business party, you know, just get

the government to do its job well, do

you know, do four or five things really

well and then let people live their

lives.

>> Well, that sounds very reasonable.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I mean, anybody that doesn't go

along with that, anybody that's opposed

to that, that doesn't even make sense.

No, look, uh, like I said, the way I

grew up and everything I've seen ever

since, when I talk to farmers or factory

workers, electricians, I find they know

just as much or more than the so-called

experts I encounter on Parliament Hill.

Like back during CO when all these

governments were printing money, uh, and

all the politicians and bankers said,

"Oh, this is great. Uh, well, look at

all this money we get to spend." I'd

walk around communities and I'd have

like mechanics say, "You know, we're

going to have inflation."

And I would say, "Yeah, it makes sense

to me." And I'd go back to Parliament

Hill and the experts would all say, "No,

no, there's not going to be any

inflation." And sure enough, all that

money filtered into the economy, bid up

all the goods we buy, and and everybody

got smoked with higher prices. But the

point is that it was the it was the

common people who don't study this stuff

for a living, who don't read endless

reports and studies, who could just

figure out that if there's money pouring

into the economy that's not matched by

goods and services, it's going to bid up

the cost of everything. So that's my

experience in my my ideology is the

common guy knows how to make his own

decisions. We need to empower him to do

that.

>> Yeah. And just stay out of people's

lives.

>> Exactly. So there's a narrative in

America and the narrative is that you

were about to win and your party was

about to win but then Trump came along

and said he was going to turn Canada

into the 51st state and everybody went

crazy. Is that accurate?

>> I wouldn't say they went crazy. I mean

it like they got very upset though. I

mean

>> it's a crazy thing to say.

>> It is a crazy thing to say. Canada's not

for sale. We're never going to be the

51st state. Uh, you know, we love

Americans as neighbors and friends, but

we we want to be can uniquely and we

want to be sovereign as Canadians. It's

our country. It's where we grow up.

You're a patriot as an American. I'm a

patriot as a Canadian. It's where my

grandfather arrived. It's where our

collective ancestors uh put on military

uniforms and sailed to fight wars. It's

where our grandkids are going to live.

We're very proudly Canadian. So, we're

never going to be the 51st state. And I

I just wish he'd knock that [ __ ] off so

that we can get back to talking about

the things that that we can do as two

separate but but two separate countries

that are actually friends.

>> Did that really have that much of an

effect up there? Like did people take

him seriously?

>> I think at first everyone thought it was

a joke because we've always had these

jokes like you know one day we're going

to take over Vermont and Detroit should

be part of Canada and all that stuff.

But then he kept saying it and saying it

and uh you know it became un it became

uh a lot of people got upset about it

and I think understandably so.

>> Understandably. Yeah. I mean it's a

crazy thing to say.

>> It is a crazy thing to say.

>> I talked to the phone about it. It was

like so funny. It's like at first I was

joking but then people were like it's a

good idea.

>> That's not a good idea.

>> Nobody's saying that. I can assure him

of that. But uh and and and the tariffs

aren't a good idea either. We should get

the tariffs out because there's so much

we could be doing together as neighbors

and partners if we got rid of those

tariffs. Um, you know, the I think what

are the biggest problems in America

today? Affordability, security, and we

can help with both. We knock the tariffs

down. Let's look at affordability. We

got the fourth biggest supply of oil

anywhere on Earth. You guys pay a huge

price discount for our oil because we're

effectively all our infrastructure to

ship it is north south. And it's a very

unique heavy oil. So we accept uh

unfortunately and for now a price

discount on the oil we send you which

can translate into more jobs and

paychecks but also lower energy prices.

You've got $5 a gallon right now in lots

of places in America. Uh you're buying I

want to produce more so we can sell 2

million more barrels of Canadian oil

into the US market. And then there's

there's housing. You've got huge housing

uh pressures on young people. they can't

afford a place to live. We're the

biggest supplier of of lumber for home

building uh of any country that imports

to the United States, exports to the

United States. Uh we've got very low

cost but high quality softwood lumber we

could be shipping or the best truck the

bestselling truck in America for 45

years now is the Ford series. It's

aluminum. It's a it's a militaryra

aluminum body. You guys can't make

enough aluminum here. don't have enough

boxite or electricity to to convert it

into aluminum and aluminum. You get your

your aluminum from us. A tariff does not

bring the production to America. It

raises the price of the aluminum and

therefore the F- series truck. Get rid

of that tariff. You lower taxes. You

lower the cost of an F-ser truck for the

for the miner in Appalachia or the

electrician in Ohio. And and that's just

on the affordability side. There's a lot

we can do with our minerals to make the

continent a hell of a lot safer as well.

So, I think it's in America's interest

to to come towards a a tariff-free deal

and and trade freely as friends and uh

that will be good for both of us.

>> Have you had conversations with Trump

about this?

>> No. I I I believe in the rule of uh one

prime minister at a time. So, I fought

like hell to win. I didn't win. We came

very close. So, I I've said, "Listen,

I'll leave it to the prime minister to

do the negotiating." and I've said I'll

support him anyway I can. Even in my

visit down here, I'm sending him text

messages to tell him what's going on to

try and support his work cuz what we

want we both want what's best for

Canada.

>> Where are your elections now? When do

you have the next elections?

>> That's um this is a a strangely hard

question to answer because

>> I know you have a weird system.

>> Yeah, it's

>> weird in comparison to ours rather.

>> Yours are fixed. Um, as you know, ours,

we have technically fixed election

dates, but they but the government can

fall at any time. It's very simple uh

rule is that if the opposition parties

bind up and they can vote down the

government, that is to say, the majority

of MPs in the House say we've lost

confidence in the government, the

election is now. Or if the prime

minister uh decides he wants an

election, he can call it and the

election is now. But uh he it has to be

sometime in the next roughly 3 years.

>> Oh, so you have a deadline where it has

to take place. Yeah, that's right. So,

>> but it could happen tomorrow.

>> The it wouldn't necessarily be tomorrow,

but like you know in the next few weeks

if there were a non-confidence vote and

they government lost it, then then they

then they go to an election. So, it's

kind of like the British system.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah. Well, it is the British system

really. We we we adopted the British

system almost identically.

>> So, when you're campaigning, you're

essentially this is like a long game.

>> Yeah. You're you're just laying out your

strategy, laying out what you would do

to make Canada a better place.

>> Yeah. Well, we have two roles. So, I I

said I'm the leader of the opposition,

but I'm also prime minister in waiting.

So, the notion is that the Canadian

people should not only have a

government, but they should have an

alternative. And that alternative has

two functions. Official opposition, it's

actually called that. I think it's a

proper noun, capital O official, capital

Opposition. And also government in

waiting. So you have to be prosecuting

the government, but you have to present

to yourself yourself to people in a way

where they say, "Yeah, that guy or that

team could actually be the government."

Those are the dual roles that I have to

carry out.

>> Interesting. And how long have you been

attempting to become prime minister for?

How long has this been going on for?

>> Uh almost exactly four years because I

launched my campaign in uh February of

2022. Was this something that you had

always had in the back of your mind or

>> I I I I'd say in the back of my mind,

but it wasn't something I was set on.

Like uh I I thought maybe, you know,

when I'm in my 50s or 60s, I would try

it. Uh but I was in no rush to do that.

>> How old are you now?

>> I'm now 46.

>> And so what motivated you to do it?

Well, you know, in after CO uh as CO was

unfolding, it wasn't just the the the CO

policies themselves. It was the economic

policies because I've been very focused

on economics in my parliamentary career.

And I was seeing the size and cost of

government, not just in Canada, but all

around the world growing so much and

that inflation was just destroying the

workingclass people and that it was

going to get a lot worse. And so I I ran

on the platform of making Canada the

freest country on earth. Uh that we had

a a tradition of freedom in Canada. Our

our one of our earliest prime ministers,

Wilfrid Laurier, was asked what's your

what's Canada's nationality. And he

couldn't actually list an ethnicity or a

religion because we were already mixed

up even 100 years ago. We had Scots and

Irish and

>> first peoples. So he said, "Look, yeah,

French, French, most of all French and

English and first first nations." So he

said um

Canada is free and freedom is its

nationality. And I wanted to reinstate

that idea. I wanted it to be the freest

country anywhere on earth. And uh so I

ran on that platform and won the

leadership and then uh ran in the last

election and stayed on after that

election. So that's kind of the the last

four years of my journey. And so the way

your elections work now, so you you're

essentially just stating your case and

going around and talking about what

policies you would implement and how you

would do things differently and just

waiting to see how it all plays out.

>> It's we have um see our our our prime

minister is different than than the

president. He's actually part of the

legislative branch. So he comes in to

the House of Commons and we debate

multiple times a week, he and I. So it's

not just, you know, in your system the

the Republican and Democrat hold like

four debates right before the pre the

election. In our system, we're always

debating. So he comes in, he's on one

side, I come in, I'm on the other side,

and I ask him like six consecutive

questions, and then he answers, and we

go back and forth, and that's called

question period. Then we have these

committees where we prosecute and

propose uh on finance, natural

resources, healthcare, you name it. So

we're constantly prosecuting the

government, also proposing better ideas

at the same time. So like the other day

I proposed to to bring back the auto

pack between Canada and the US to have

tariff-free trade going both ways across

the the border. So that's an example of

how I'm in a position to actually offer

solutions even though I'm not in the

government and then hopefully government

actually steals my ideas and I've been

encouraging them to steal my ideas.

>> So what

>> is this coffee by the way? I need some

caffeine. Yeah, some caffeine there.

>> I'm a terrible caffeine addict.

>> Me too. Cheers.

Cheers.

>> Oh, and shout out to George St. Pierre

for hooking this up.

>> Yes, George is a good man. Great guy. Uh

he uh he said he's going to have me do

some pad work with him at some point.

Really? That's pretty dangerous.

>> Oh, that's awesome. He's here all the

time.

>> He's a fantastic guy.

>> He's the best. He's one of the best

representatives of martial arts you you

could ever hope to meet. He's got

humility. I remember he came to

Parliament Hill uh years ago and I

thought, geez, he's going to be because

he's I thought he'd be cocky and

swagger, but he was so down to earth. So

much humility

>> for what he's accomplished in MMA. I've

I've introduced him to people and they

have no idea who he is. And then I go,

that is one of the greatest fighters

that ever walked the face of the earth.

Absolutely. No way. He's so nice.

>> And that's the Canadian way though. Like

it's softspoken and gentle and kind but

>> tough.

>> Don't don't piss us off.

>> Yeah, but tough.

>> That's where Trump [ __ ] up.

>> I wonder what would have happened if he

didn't go along with that 51st state

nonsense, you know? I mean, that that is

the narrative in this country, like I

said, that if he didn't do that, that

you would have won.

>> Well, you never know. But I I try not to

cry over spilled milk. I focus on what I

have to do and live in the present. Um

but uh but this new guy um

Mealot, have you have you followed him?

Mike Malot.

>> Oh, sure. I know Mike.

>> Yeah. He's going to be fighting in

Winnipeg. I think he's the next GSP.

>> He's very good.

>> You like him?

>> Yeah, he's excellent. Yeah,

>> he did a great job in Montreal if you

saw him there. But maybe

>> Oh, yeah. I've been to many of his

called bunch of his fights. Excellent.

Yeah, he's excellent.

>> Yeah, he's uh my buddy is his trainer,

Crew Crew Allen Hamalg

>> uh in um in Hamilton. He's a Hamilton

steel uh steel town guy and uh anywhere

we're hoping that he has a big win in

Winnipeg. So

>> well you guys have one of the best gyms

in the world, Tristar in Montreal. Is

that right?

>> Fasa Habi who's the

>> if there there's like maybe a handful of

great masterminds in in MMA as far as

coaches and Kas is at the top of the

list.

>> Is that right? And what's his

>> He trained GSP.

>> Is his discipline karate or kickboxing

Muay Thai? I mean, he's I mean, he's a

true mixed martial artist. Black belt

and jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, every I mean,

he can do everything. And he has an

Tristar is a place where a lot of people

from America go up there for their

camps.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah.

>> I have to drop in and see those guys.

>> Oh, it's phenomenal. I mean, like I

said, GSP trained up there. A lot a lot

of fighters trained up there. And he

also had a great working relationship

with a lot of people in America. So he

would come down and, you know, they

would exchange fighters back and forth

and train with each other.

>> Yeah. Well, we have a great martial arts

tradition in Canada. Um, I don't know if

you know Mike Miles, he brought Muay

Thai from from Thailand to uh Calgary

like back in 7 in the 70s or 80s and he

still got a great gym there. And uh,

>> do you know who Jean Tero is?

>> Yes, he's a buddy of mine. Really? From

Ottawa? Yeah.

>> Oh, no kidding.

>> Yeah, he

>> he was a hero of mine when I was a kid.

>> Yeah, he's incredible. When I was

kickboxing, he was like my idol.

>> Really?

>> Yeah.

>> Does he know that?

>> I never talked to him.

>> Well, he's going to see this.

>> I bought his book.

>> Yeah,

>> I bought his book. I started running

stairs because of his book cuz he was

talking about how it increased his leg

muscles and his kicking power.

>> I remember that. It was in one of his

documentaries or something. He said his

kicks weren't strong enough, so he would

do stairs. But I went and trading at his

dojo a few times. It's in South Ottawa.

>> Uh he was incredible. He was uh he was

one of the truly elite kickboxers of his

time.

>> He he he was a great boxer. Like I know

he he never competed as a boxer, but his

his hands were fantastic. And

>> well, that's really what separated him

from a lot of other people was like his

accuracy and his technique was pristine.

>> He told me that he would spend hours

studying the the distances that your

limbs would have to travel depending on

how you moved. He was kind of uh like a

scientist in the way he learned and

studied and he was all about simplicity

and removing anything unnecessary. Uh I

think Bruce Lee said that he said

simplicity hack away at the unnecessary

>> and uh you know how do you what's the

shortest distance to to hit the strike

>> and um he's got a great he has a really

good heart too you know he had um

>> he has a jiu-jitsu club as well

>> and when I went in there there was a

blind fellow who was into jiu-jitsu

which you can do as a blind person

because it's so much about feel

>> but with co he couldn't do jiu-jitsu

anymore because they they they

disallowed that kind of up close contact

so He actually found a way to train this

guy with focus mitts even though he was

blind. It was really incredible. Oh wow.

>> Yeah. It was just but it it was

incredible amount of patience he had

invested in making sure this this young

man could keep doing his physical

activity throughout co

>> Wait a minute. So they allowed pad work

but they didn't allow jiu-jitsu.

>> I don't know if it was a government

policy or if it was just it was a policy

at the gym because you know you're just

so wrapped up and sweating and I'll le

the gyms in America everybody just

>> just kept going.

>> Kept going. They hid. They would like

put foil over the windows and like hide

or come in through the back door. A lot

of the gyms in LA, that's what they did.

>> They just plowed ahead.

>> They just figured out a way to not get

in trouble and and some people did get

caught and get in trouble and nothing

ever came of it because it's pretty

unconstitutional to tell people that

they can't work out together. Like the

government really didn't have the right

to tell people that they couldn't do

what they wanted to do. That was a legal

thing that you can do. Like all of a

sudden there's this

mandate, there's this law or rule being

passed down or at least it's being

promoted that you're not allowed to go

to a gym and work out with other people.

Like, but those are the healthiest

people. Those are the people that are

least likely to get sick. Like this this

is crazy to say. And you know, if you're

sick and if you just have a good gym

with good people, say, "Hey, don't show

up if you're sick." Everybody should be

okay. These are the people you should

worry about the least.

>> We need to have common sense again. And

uh too many governments in the Western

world have gone way too bossy. They're

just looking for every excuse to boss

people around. And uh that's what we

have to push back again. and it's you

know EV mandates or um you know

excessive uh control of the internet or

um the massive increase in the cost of

government which is really like

appropriating the private voluntary

economy into the coercive government

economy. Uh that's uh that's what we're

seeing across Europe in the UK parts of

the United States as well as uh back

home. So we need to we need to reverse

that trend and get people back in charge

of their lives. Well, the narrative has

always been that

rights lost are never regained or are

very very difficult to regain them. So,

how could you reverse that?

>> Well, you have to keep fighting. I mean,

we did regain uh our rights uh after co

and you know the the people have to look

look at the history of it. How did

>> which rights did you regain?

>> Well, the all the mandates are gone now,

>> of course, but those were ridiculous

anyway.

>> Yeah, they were ridiculous. But uh a lot

>> and they also impeded business. They

they ruined people's lives, social

lives.

>> But freedom has always had to be taken.

Like you go our tradition goes back to

to 1215 with the Magna Carta, the great

charter. And most of the freedoms we

have today were in that original

document. Right to a jury trial, uh no

arrest without charge, no conf comp

confiscation without compensation, no

taxation without representation. All

comes from that one document, the Magna

Carta. And uh it was because King John

was taken aside by the barrens and they

said, "Listen, pal, this is the choice.

Either you sign this and follow it or we

overthrow you." And as a result, we got

the Magna Carta and all of when you guys

had your Boston Tea Party and said, "You

can't tax our tea cuz we don't elect

you." That was an appeal as you were

Englishmen saying I'm not we're

Englishmen. We have the right not to be

taxed unless we vote for it and we're

going to throw you out otherwise. But

that came out of the fields of Runny

Meat in England in 1215. So it's a long

march towards freedom and it's never

actually done. Like there's no permanent

victories or defeats. You just have to

keep going forward.

>> So if you were elected, let's say you

get in right now, what what's one of the

first things you would do?

>> I would unblock our resources. So we

have the most resources of any country

in the world per capita, bar none. We

need to have to make it happen though.

We need to have the fastest permits

anywhere in the world and the lowest

taxes on producing those resources.

We're the fourth in oil, the number

number one in uranium, number one in pot

ash for fertilizer. We have the fifth

biggest supplier of natural gas. We have

um the longest oceanic coastline. Like

we are we have 12 of NATO's

um sorry we have 10 of 12 of NATO's

defined defense minerals. So, you know,

you had that guy Palmer Lucky on. I

don't think he can make his stuff

without Canadian minerals. Maybe I'm

wrong, maybe he'll correct me, but like

night vision technology, you need to

have uh you need to have germanmanium

for that. You need to have ga galium to

make uh semiconductors and radar. You

need to have aluminum for armored

vehicles and uh airplanes. You need

cobalt for heat resistant alloys and

fighter jets. You need tungsten for uh

body, sorry, um uh armor-piercing ammun

ammunition. We have it all. And what I

want to do is unblock those resources,

produce them in abundance for ourselves

and our allies, make, you know, $200,000

paychecks for our trades workers, build

up an enormous strategic stockpile of

it, so that we have tons of leverage in

international relations, and if, god

forbid, there is ever a global conflict,

we would have all the resources

necessary to win it. So uh but we need

to we need to pass we need to get rid of

a lot of laws that are blocking and and

replace them with laws that have fast

permitting so that we can produce this

stuff uh on scale very quickly. So is

the concern the environmental

impact of extracting these things?

>> Is that what's holding it up?

>> That is the

that's the ostensible reason. But I just

think across western the western world

like Europe, UK, parts of the US and

Canada, there's a problem with

bureaucracy just growing way too damn

big. Like, you know, the First Nations

in our country are incredibly

forward-looking. The Squamish built

6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of

land. You can believe it. In a town in a

city of Vancouver where it's very hard

to get a permit to do anything because

it was their land, so they did it.

They're trying to build they're building

now an LG liquefaction plant where they

replaced uh an old 30 mil. They cleaned

it up and put an LG plant there, but the

federal government took a lot of time,

14 years to give them a permit. So, we

need to think like they're thinking,

which is entrepreneurial, speed of

business, get it done quickly. Um,

that's how you develop like we have this

community in my my district. It's called

Hardesty, 600 people. They manage a

hundred billion dollars of oil in a town

of 600 people. Why is it there? because

their municipality offers a permit in

one week with one page. And I wanted to

tell this story. So I called them and I

said, "Can I have someone come and do a

video with me?" And they said, "We don't

have anyone here. We don't have like

bureaucrats that can help you." Like

they're all out on their farms right

now. They come in, they stamp the

permit, and they go back to their farm.

Well, that's why we have a hundred

billion dollars of energy moving through

the area, which is bigger than the GDP

of many countries because they have fast

permits. And that's what we need in

Canada. We need to be the fastest place

to get things done. But don't you think

you need some safeguards to protect the

environment? And how do you balance that

out?

>> Protect it quickly. We can figure out

what what whether a project is damaging

to the environment in weeks and months

rather than decades. Like there's

nothing you're going to learn in year 14

of the review that you couldn't have

learned in in month 14. So there's ways

to protect the environment. when the

Germans So when the Germans had to break

their dependence on Russia after it

invaded Ukraine, they approved an an LNG

import terminal in 60 days. They

completed the whole damn thing in less

than 200 days. And guess what? No

environmental problems. They they got

their engineers to sit down and figure

out how to do it quickly. And that's the

that's the mentality that we need to get

in Canada.

>> So what would you be able to do to

bypass all this bureaucracy? How could

that be done legally?

>> Well, you slim it down to one project,

one environmental review instead of 20

or 30. You have uh a fixed timeline that

the bureaucrats have to give an answer

of 6 months rather than just as long as

they want to drag it on for. Um, and the

other thing I would do is study areas

where they're they're perfectly situated

to have a project like a pipeline or a

mine or an LG export terminal or a port

expansion. And I would pre-permit it. I

would say to our officials, go in,

study, make sure that the environmental

aspects are all in good order. I will

issue a pre-permit and then anybody who

comes along and wants to build it, as

long as they follow the terms and act

responsibly, has a guaranteed permit

before they even apply for it. Uh, and

uh, that I think we would have a roaring

economy if we did that.

>> That sounds awesome. But the the great

fear is that if you do have an impact on

the environment, that impact is often

permanent and that it's devastating. And

I I've seen some of the oil extraction

that they've done up in Alberta. When

you look at the area, it looks like like

scorched earth.

>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's the

most responsible oil extraction in the

world.

>> But when you when you see these, what is

that one area that often gets

criticized?

>> Fort Mac.

>> Is that what it is?

>> Yeah. It's they're open pit mines. You

you open up a mine, you take out the you

take out the bumen. um you subtract you

you separate the sand from the oil, you

you make it less viscous by putting

diluent in it and and you ship it off

and then after the oil is after the

mining is done, they they resurface it

and you wouldn't even know there was a

mine there

>> and there's no impact to groundwater, no

impact to the environment.

>> I mean, there's an impact no matter what

you do, but at the end of the day, the

people who live there are very healthy

and very happy and they're the strongest

supporters of the expansion of the oil

sands. It's an incredible

>> because economically it's

>> Oh, it's incredible. It's the best

resource in the world. So, it's like uh

there's no decline rate. You guys have

shale here, but you know, as the years

go by, you get less and less out of a

shale uh reservoir. We we have very

little decline. We can keep producing

and producing. Uh we have um what's

called insitu where there's an entire

oil sands operation under your feet. You

could be out in a forest hunting and you

wouldn't even know that under your feet

they're extracting it through a whole

system of pipes where they inject just

steam steam vapor that loosens up the

oil. It sinks down. It goes into another

pipe, comes up to the top and you can

have beautiful pristine nature. The

bears, the the uh the deer, the birds,

they don't even know that there's

extraction happening under their feet.

So, we have the best industry, the most

responsible industry anywhere in the

world. It's been a a really disgusting

PR campaign by extremist

environmentalists and frankly some of

our competitors to try and make our

industry look bad. But it's the best

industry in the world.

>> Yeah, they got me.

>> Yeah,

>> I saw some videos on it and I was like,

"Oh my god, what are they doing to the

ground? What are they doing to the

earth? It looks horrible."

>> They're all It's It's all [ __ ] We

have the

>> It looks horrible.

>> Yeah, but I mean that's just a

superficial look at it. You I'll take

you for a tour in the oil sands. You'll

be amazed. We have the best engineers in

the world. And by the way, the First

Nations people absolutely love it

because it's lifting their people out of

poverty. They're getting enormous job

opportunities out of it. One of our MPs

is a former chief uh where they took uh

18% unemployment, brought it down to

three, balanced their budget. Another

one of my members of parliament in

Northern British Columbia negotiated a

$40 billion LNG plant on his uh on the

Heisla territory. It's completely

eliminating poverty for the First

Nations there. And by exporting clean

Canadian natural gas, which we can

liquefy 25% cheaper because it's cold as

hell in Canada, um they uh actually

displace dirty coal overseas. So instead

of Asia burning coal, they're burning

clean Canadian gas uh that's delivered

by First Nations partnership. So this is

the best way to do it. Makes everybody

richer and makes our entire continent

better off. Well,

>> it seems so simple the way you're laying

it out. I don't understand why this

hasn't been implemented.

Yeah, this is this is the the story of

my life. Uh it's frustrating.

>> Is it that but it's if is it that

simple? Is it really that this is what's

holding everything up? The bureaucracy

and the the time it takes for permits

and

>> Yeah. Like a lot of things. We have the

same thing in housing and and so do you

like if you look at

>> you look California is terrible. Like

why is there such a housing shortage in

California? It's because it takes

forever to get a permit and there's

always bureaucracy standing in the way

and it totally screws over the

workingclass youth who can't find a

place to live because they're not being

built. And uh we have that challenge in

Canada as well. So that's why I proposed

ideas to cut the bureaucracy and the

taxes so that we can build affordable

homes for our youth cuz right now we

have a whole generation that can't

afford homes. And that was one of the

biggest issues I ran on. Home ownership

is necessary for family formation, for

civil peace in society where, you know,

everybody feels like they have a piece

of the pie. Um, we need to expand home

ownership. But to do that, you've got to

get the government gatekeepers out of

the way, speed up the permits, free up

the land, cut the development taxes.

>> So, let's assume that you got in office.

How much time would it take to start

implementing these things? And how

quickly would that impact be felt by the

Canadian people?

>> Look, I think a lot of them could move

very quickly. There's a lot of projects

that are pe that that investors are

sitting on, but they don't have uh

certainty and permits. So, I would

unblock that. And I think in the first

year, you would start to see immediate

benefits uh for the working people who'd

be getting these jobs. Um, some of it

would take more and more like a

medium-term. Like the second thing I

would go after is just the inflationary

spending which is a big problem all over

the western world. Like people just

can't afford to live. I don't know if

you you do do you you encounter that

around here?

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean inflation is crazy

>> and it's I mean the national debt in

America just went up to 39 trillion,

>> right? Which is bigger than your GDP.

>> It's a lot of money. So, so explain this

to me. 50 years ago, a barber and a a

barber and a waitress could buy a house

with a big yard for a dog and raise four

kids, meat and potatoes on the dinner

table every night. And now an accountant

and a lawyer can't do that. Why is that?

>> Well, there's a lot of spending and a

lot of making money. lot of just

turning, you know, just just making

>> dollar bills

>> with nothing behind it, nothing to back

it.

>> This is the biggest fraud perpetrated on

the workingclass people in the last

hundred years.

>> Printing money is just insane. It's just

the the idea you just print more money.

It's like and people go, "Oh, okay."

>> Well, it looks it looks painless at

first, but if you have an economy with

10 apples and $10, it's a buck an apple.

You double the number of dollars to 20,

but you still only have 10 apples. Well,

all of a sudden, it's two bucks an

apple. It's not that the cost of apples

has gone up. It still costs the same

resources to grow the and pick the

apples. Is that the the price has gone

up because the value of the money has

gone down, right?

>> So, in America over the last 55 years,

you've doubled the number of homes in

America from about 70 million to 150

million. You know how much the money

supply has grown? 30 times. So you have

twice the homes but 30 times the cash.

So what's happened? Housing costs have

gone up 15fold in 55 years. And now an

entire generation of kids can't afford

homes. We have exactly the same problem

in Canada. Uh this is the biggest wealth

transfer from the working class to the

the elites from uh I say the h have nots

to the have yachts and Washington and

Wall Street love it by the way because

it inflates the stock market inflates

the bureaucracy. Politicians get to

spend. CEOs get their stocks uh

inflated. Um but it destroys the working

people. And we need to get back to to

hard money. Everything should be getting

cheaper by the way. You know, it takes

80 60 to 80% less resources to grow

food. We grow four times the food on the

same acre, get four times as much milk

from the same cow. We use 80% less water

and fertilizer. So why isn't it that

food is not less expensive? It's because

all of those gains are being erased by

monetary inflation. So it's not that

food is more costly, it's that the

value, the money we use to buy it has

less uh purchasing power. And uh we need

to do what the Swiss do, which is they

don't print money. They have balanced

budgets. They have almost no deficit.

And they have almost zero inflation in

Switzerland. They have the strongest

money in the world, the Swiss Frank. And

uh we would all be better if we operated

like the Swiss when it comes to our

money.

>> So in a real world scenario, it's like

you you take over Canada. How would you

go about implementing this?

>> You got to cut bureaucracy, consultants,

which consume, by the way, $26 billion

of spending.

>> How big is your debt in Canada? uh

1.3ish trillion.

>> Oh, that's baby debt.

>> It's comp compared to you. You guys are

you guys are ridiculous.

>> Wild. But you know, you've gotten away

with it because the dollar the American

dollar is the reserve currency.

>> So all these countries prop up the value

of the US dollar by keeping it on

reserve. Um better hope that doesn't

change.

>> Yeah, better hope.

>> We we we don't have that luxury. And so

uh but we do have a lot of debt and we

have a lot we have provinces too.

They're quite indebted. But um I would

cut the bureaucracy. I would cut uh

consultants, foreign aid. I'd cut way

back on foreign aid. Uh the we give out

corporate welfare, these checks to

corporations. I believe business should

make money rather than take money. So I

would get rid of that. We're giving a

lot of money to fake fake refugees. Um

people who come in and don't uh actually

or they're not actually fleeing danger.

Um like I love real refugees. My wife

was a refugee, but I have no time for

people who are pretending, but they're

not really.

>> And what do you mean by pretending to be

a refugee? How are they doing this?

>> They're not actually endangered in their

home country. So, they've come to be

declared themselves as students and then

wanting to stay, declaring a refugee

status.

>> Oh, and this is common.

>> Yeah, it happens. It happens. And I

mean, they just want to have a better

life. So I don't I don't begrudge them

as people, but we can't we can't spend

money on social service to enhance

social services, advanced programs that

we as Canadians don't get for people who

are not paying into.

>> So you're not opposed to them being

there. You're opposed to them getting

>> I'm opposed to them if if they're not

real refugees, they shouldn't be brought

in as refugees. I think we have to

distinguish between those people who are

actually in danger in their home

country, which is the definition of an a

refugee, and someone who just wants to

come uh in in excess of uh of their

their proper immigration.

>> Is it that common that it's actually

affecting our economy?

>> Right now, it's a challenge because um

we had a big number of international

students and temporary foreign workers

that came in in very large numbers in

like 2 or 3 years. um we were bringing

in about a million people a year which

in in America's terms would be 10

million like just if you're doing per

capita and it really caused a housing

shortage um like some places where you

have 26 of these students living in one

basement. Um so we're trying to unwind

that now

>> and how how do you do that?

>> Well, when their work permit and their

visitor visa runs out, then we have to

encourage them to to head back um

lawfully,

>> right? But you don't want to do it ICE

style.

>> No. No. I don't think we need to do

that. I just think we have to be orderly

and lawful about it.

>> And is that supported by the Canadian

people?

>> Yes. Because we're a very welcoming

country. We're a nation of immigrants,

but we're also a nation of laws. And we

the there's a general consensus like

across the the spectrum in Canada that

there there was the the population

growth was too fast for like four or

five years. And uh so we're we're trying

to unwind that. Now,

>> um what are what are the other things

that you would have to do to drop your

debt and sort of balance your budget and

begin to turn things around?

>> Well, in addition, so I I I like this

idea that actually, believe it or not,

the Clint that Bill Clinton and the

Republicans did in the '9s in the US. It

was called the payo law. It was a very

simple principle. Every time the

administration wanted to bring in a new

dollar of spending, they had to match it

with a dollar of savings. So there was

no extra net spending for like eight

years. And that's when your government

balanced its budget and paid off $400

billion of debt. That law elapsed in

2002.

And immediately after that, America went

back into deficits. And you haven't

emerged. You've been in deficit now for

25 years. This is about internalizing

scarcity. Every creature in the

universe, every bird in the trees, every

fish in the seas has to live with

scarcity, maximizing use of scarce

resources. The only creature who doesn't

do that is the politician because he's

always using someone else's money,

>> right? It's like, oh, I'll just print it

or borrow it or tax it. It's not my

money.

>> And so, they routinely show up to their

cabinet meetings and say, I've got a new

idea. It's $100 million. Where are you

going to get it? I don't know. We'll

print it. We'll borrow it. We'll we'll

tax it. Not my money. But if you had a

law saying you can't actually bring a

proposal to cabinet unless you have

matching savings to pay for it, well

then you'd have these politicians

walking up and down the hallways in

their departments looking for waste and

like rooting it out. So instead of

making the single mom, the senior or the

small business owner live with scarcity,

I want the politicians and bureaucrats

to live with scarcity. And that's what I

would impose by law on my government.

>> Well, it's just a rational way to deal

with the problem. like don't spend money

unless you could save money.

>> Exactly.

>> That's how you balance things out. I

mean, Clinton did balance the budget.

>> He did

>> during his time. And people forget that

because we've always assumed that

there's always been this extraordinary

debt, but that's not the case. During

the 1990s,

>> I mean, it he did a fantastic job at

that.

>> Yeah. They I mean, it was that Congress

was was very disciplined as well, and

the American people just got fed up and

said, "We're not tolerating these

deficits anymore." And and they imposed

scarcity from the center. And by the

way, the economy boomed because the

government was restrained. Then the free

market economy could just roar. And

that's uh another part of the equation,

by the way, is unlock the power of free

enterprise. Like this is the 250th

anniversary, not just of the Declaration

of Independence, but also of Adam

Smith's Wealth of Nations, where he

basically for the first time in human

history described the free market

system. And um that was starting to

flourish in the states and in parts of

Europe. And that system

basically started to come into place

after you know the late 1770s. The

growth since the free market system has

came in come into place in in the world

has been 200 times faster than it was

before because there's is the most

powerful system for generating material

benefit for the people and that's what

we need to restore in Canada. I want to

make it the freest economy in the world.

Well, that all sounds amazing. How the

hell did you lose?

How can a rational person not vote for

that? I mean, you're not saying anything

that's restrictive. You're not saying

anything that is in any way infringing

on people's rights or liberties or It

just sounds like it's all just 100%

positive for Canada.

>> That's what I think. That's that's my

mission and I think it will be positive

and we'll get there, you know. Um,

Canadians do things through evolution,

not revolution. So, I'm just going to

keep pushing my ideas and I think that I

think overwhelmingly we'll we'll win the

next election.

>> Well, it sounds like

I I just can't see how someone would

listen to what you're saying and say I

find fault in this. Other than like the

the potential environmental impact of

extracting resources, I could see how a

lot of the greenies would get like

really upset and get their panties in a

bunch about that and and be very

incredulous to the idea that you're

going to protect the environment while

you're extracting all these resources.

But if you could lay it all out and also

lay out this enormous economic impact

and how it would uplift impoverished

communities, how it would completely

change the economic landscape of the

country,

>> it just only makes sense. That's why I'm

baffled.

>> Well, listen, the people render their

judgment, but I it means I have to do a

better job of uh processing.

>> What were the criticisms of you? like

what did your opponent say that like

people that resonated with people?

>> Um

>> what were they trying to say?

>> It was funny because they all disagreed

with my ideas and they said these are

all very scary ideas.

>> Scary

>> and then they said first of all they

said they said that I had no policies

then they said uh they're scary policies

and then they stole my policies right

before the election. So uh but hey

listen if the government that's in power

now steals all my ideas and does the

things I want to do then I then I've

won. That's why I came here. I didn't

just do it so that I could have the my

name on the door. So, I keep saying to

the prime minister, "Seal my ideas."

>> Right. But he doesn't want to.

>> Well, he uh I I won't criticize him on

foreign soil. We'll uh but uh

>> Good for you.

>> Yeah. I mean, uh we have a mutual

respect.

>> That's such a Canadian thing to do.

>> That is a very Canadian thing to do.

>> So polite, you know,

>> that's what I'm saying about Canadians.

They're so polite. It's funny, your

security guy was talking about the

Canadian standoff of uh, you know, when

you get to a door, you go first. No, you

go first. No, you go first. You could

stay there all day. I actually looked

this up the other day. Ontario actually

has an apology act. It's a law that

defines the apology because we always

say sorry in Canada. So, they wanted to

clarify that sorry is not a legal

admission of guilt. So, like if we get

into a car accident, I say, "Oh, sorry

man. I was terrible at your bumper. It

doesn't mean that I'm guilty."

So, it's actually in law. Even if

somebody else screwed up, you say sorry.

That's funny. That's so Canadian.

>> But you know, the the great thing about

Canada is we've always sorted our [ __ ]

out peacefully. Like the the the the

Protestants and Catholics tore each

other's eyeballs out in Europe for like

hundreds of years. And then we came to

Canada and just got along. And and

that's the great thing about Canada is

like you can come you know Muslims and

Jews, Christians uh and uh uh sorry um

Protestants and Catholics uh Hindus and

Sikhs they come to Canada and they just

get along. They live on the same streets

eventually. We all start intermaring and

uh it's a it's a great thing about

Canada.

>> Well, it really is a great melting pot,

you know.

>> Yeah. And and like folks get to keep

their their cultures like uh at the same

time as uh blending into the Canadian

identity. Like my wife my wife's from

Venezuela and uh so like you know

oftentimes I like I'm I'm in the house

and there's like 16 Latinos and they're

all speaking Spanish. I have no idea

what the hell's going on and uh they

have this food. It's called a jackass.

And I said you know when they start

start cooking this stuff I thought my I

said to my wife did did your mom just

call me a a jackass? Um cuz that's what

it sounded like.

>> I don't speak any Spanish but uh

>> you should probably learn.

>> I should now.

>> They're yapping in your house. It's a

great It's a great uh My kids are

starting to learn Spanish, so I'm going

to be outnumbered.

>> Yeah, you better learn it.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> But

>> um so what else is uh an an issue in

Canada that you would like to fix?

>> Talk to me those napkins. I got a I got

an allergy I'm dealing with.

>> We we got to toughen up our justice

system. Um it it got way too soft.

And uh

>> What's wrong with your justice system?

>> Basically bail. Um I I mean we all

believe in the basic principle that

you're innocent till approve pro proven

guilty. But if someone's convicted has

have like 150 prior convictions and

they're newly arrested on their latest

crime.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't think we should be releasing

them onto the streets. And uh so we got

two lakhs on bail. So there's now a

consensus in Canada that you should have

severe restrictions on repeat offenders.

Like in Vancouver, they had to arrest

the same 40 guys 6,000 times in one

year. 40 guys, 6,000 arrests. So,

they're basically being released within

hours of their latest arrest. So, we're

we're we now built a bipartisan

multipartisan consensus to fix that. And

uh we're pushing to toughen the bail

system um and ensure that it's the

repeat offenders. It's a tiny group. We

don't have a lot of criminals in Canada,

but they do a tremendous amount of

crime. So, if you take them off the

street, you put them in prison, you can

basically reduce the crime rate

dramatically.

>> Well, we probably have more crime

percentage-wise in America, but it's

still a small percentage of the

population that commits the crime. But

it's the same issue. Like in New York

City, it's extraordinary the amount of

people that are repeat offenders. Yeah.

>> And they just let them go. In

California, no cash bail, let them go.

It's like it is bananas. And it doesn't

make any sense and it doesn't make

anybody help. I understand you want to

be empathetic and I understand these

narratives that the prison system is

racist and the justice system is racist

and these people never been given a a

great shake in life. Well, if you want

to fix that, start in these impoverished

neighborhoods, establish community

centers, establish better education,

fund that, but don't let hardened

criminals back on the street when they

>> they're habitual. They've been if you've

been arrested 40, 50 times, it doesn't

seem like you're getting any better. So,

whatever rehabilitation process they

have going on there, that's not working.

So, keep doing the same thing over and

over again. Unless you like crime, I

don't understand why you would do that.

>> This has been, you know, it's imposed by

these so-called experts. They tell, oh,

we've done all these studies that show

that the soft on crime policies work,

but everywhere it been, it's been tried,

it's been an absolute disaster anywhere

in the Western world. We have a town

called Pentictton. There's one guy who

the police can tell by looking at the

the crime rate whether he's been in jail

or not. He comes out of jail. The crime

rate for the entire town of actually

goes up.

>> That's so crazy.

>> But you just keep him in prison though.

>> That seems so simple to solve. It's like

there's so many of these problems with

government that it's just like rational

thinking is one of one of the great

interviews that I loved about you. you

were eating an apple and you were

talking to this guy who was being

completely ridiculous and you were

asking him to define what the the issues

that he had and it was so funny. It was

like this is what happens when a

rational person meets a person with

empty narratives. It was such a weird

moment because

>> you just kept eating that apple.