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freeberg choth P hoaa David Saks and

myself is the one and the only Mark

cubin how you doing buddy what's up guys

I'm doing great thanks for having me on

of course of course and you here thank

you I've been practicing my virtue

signaling so I'm ready ready to go all

right go I think we're going to have

Twice The Virtue signaling as normal in

this episode

promise you I don't virtue signal I'll

say you to

anybody let your winners

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David and instead we open sources to the

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crazy you have gotten very vocal about

politics during this cycle uhhuh and you

seem to be I don't know if it's official

you know speaking on half of the comma

ticket so why why are you this active

what what is the um reason that you've

decided to get this active during this

election I'm proud to be an

American that's exactly why I mean you

know we all make choices and think

what's best for the country and show our

patriotism in different ways and you

know I'm not a Democrat I'm not a

republican I'm an independent through

and through oh my God like jcal he's an

independent

too is it that all the Democrats are

afraid to call themselves Democrats well

look I've said this many many times if

if it wasn't Donald Trump running it was

a non-m Maga candidate particularly if

it was Joe Biden still I'd vote

Republican I've voted Republican before

if it was a non-m magaga candidate

versus KLA Harris it would be you know

let's look at the policies let's look at

the character of the people involved and

let's make a decision it's it's just

Donald Trump is not a republican

Republicans are Donald Trump you know

the Republican party is now the family

business for Donald Trump and to me I

just think KLA Harris is a better choice

for the

country on a percentage basis how often

have you voted just a level set Democrat

versus Republican would you say out of

10 elections presidential probably I

voted for George W twice then I voted

for um Obama twice and then I voted for

um Clinton and Biden but before that I

voted for um Ros proo Jr my first vote

was for a guy named um something um John

Anderson so I mean I literally worked on

Ros Pro Jr's campaign way back when tell

us about that that's fascinating he got

19% of the vote as an independent

candidate yeah I was living out in LA

and this was 92 and this is when

computers were relatively new I sold my

company and I was taking acting classes

and just living by Manhattan Beach and

just loving life and you know being from

Texas I knew people there and they were

like look we need somebody who

understands PCS and computers and

software can you help us and I was like

definitely um I mean I wasn't to the

point where I was involved in his

decisions but I actually had met him um

my first company was a company called

micr Solutions where we did systems

Integrations local and white area

network I wrote software for you know

single multi-user app white area Network

apps and we literally helped Pro systems

um get into local and wide area

networking and so you know one of my

favorite stories from back then is you

know I'm terrified I'm a 26y old kid I'm

in Dallas I'm going into Pro systems I

get to meet Ross pero Senor the man

right and I'm walking through him and

he's got the original the the model for

the um no he had the original Magna

Carta one of like the 13 Magna cartas

and he had the original um model for the

eima um statue right with the flag up

and everything and I'm just terrified

I'm going to trip and just wipe out

American history and I walk up to him

and I said hi Mr

Cuban and reverse that yeah you know I

was so nervous um and he like had made

fun of it and you know got to be friends

and did a lot of business helped those

guys a lot I made them a lot of money

they made me a lot of money did you have

any more interactions with them when you

were on the campaign did you get a sense

of no did not no I was just a little

plea just trying to do little pley stuff

in La I didn't know that you took acting

classes that's interesting did you want

to be an actor or before a businessman

or what no no no this was after I sold

micro Solutions I bought a lifetime pass

on American Airlines mov to La got a

place right in Manhattan Beach um right

on the beach get two flight attendants

as roommates and I was just loving life

and I was like how else can I meet women

I'm gonna take acting classes and it was

like one of the best things I've one of

the best things I've ever done because

you know being a business guy you it's

always right brain right brain right

brain and acting it's like don't think

just be don't think just be just let it

go so it was a totally different

experience and that's why you see me do

all these cameos and stuff um because I

like to do it because it's the one place

where you just have to completely let go

and it's a completely different approach

to life so you know little backstory

yeah yeah you got a good character arc

on Entourage I think that was probably

the best one seven episodes plus the

movie yeah yeah yeah yeah that that was

uh pretty memorable so uh saak lead us

off here I don't know if you've been

following Mark cubin on social media at

all or if you guys interact I can't

resist asking so is your um is your

acting as a surrogate for kamla is that

acting too or

when they go Li when they go low we go

high no no at no obviously I truly

believe in it and look it's always

relative it's always relative to the

other candidate um and so obviously as

you guys know I'm not a big fan of

Donald Trump I gave a shot eight years

ago didn't work out okay wait wait could

we can we get into this because I you

obviously have like a LoveHate

relationship with Trump going back 20

something years so yeah let's just go

through the the um the timeline here

here I'm just all I don't hate the guy

at all if he was running for president

and we all got together and you know

just shot the like we are now he's

a blast he's fun to talk to you know

he's got Charisma he's got personality

he's easy to like I mean you know he's

used to SM smoing he's a he's one of the

world's best schmoozers and so he's easy

to get along with it's not personal but

that doesn't mean like you guys with

each other it doesn't mean you can't you

know as different things happen over

time you can't go back and forth and you

know he did this same thing so the whole

history of it was back um right when um

we went public at broadcast.com no right

after we announced the sale in 2000 um

was it 2000 yeah after we announced the

sale in January 2000 he threw a Super

Bowl party at marago and one of my

buddies um who um knew him invited me

and I was like cool I'll go Mar lagogo I

hadn't seen it Donald Trump maybe I'll

meet him and so you know you guys have

seen marago and beautiful po beautiful

view there's a veranda up there and he

had like a bunch of um Hooters and um

what's the suntan lotion that always had

girls whatever oh Tropicana Tropic no

but Sun Tropic Sun one of those right

and so they were all dressed in Orange

and they were walking around and it was

just like a big deal and it was funny as

hell and so not that that's a bad thing

it was actually kind of entertaining and

um

so he comes up to me and I'm with the um

VP of Visa my buddy and Jerry Yang I

think it was maybe it wasn't Jerry but

um co-founder of Yahoo yeah co-founder

of Yahoo and um he was like Hey guys

nice to meet you and I'm like hey I'm

Mark Donald da d da and just you know

not to be mean just in a flipping way he

was like Hey someday you'll be able to

sit up there with the rich people

pointing to the veranda and walked away

and I'm like okay fine you know ever and

so um then um not long after that

through my friend he got back in touch

with me and you know this is the early

days of the internet early 2000s and um

still I guess still 2000 and um I get an

invitation to go to um his office in

Trump Towers and I'm like this is cool

of course and you know he wants to talk

to me about business and I'm like you

know what Donald I'll help you all I can

he you know he's getting donaldtrump.com

and he wants to sell chachis a

merchandise I guess some things never

change um and so you know so I'm in

there trying to tell them about what you

can and can't sell online and what works

and that was all fine and good met aanka

it was all really cool but the one thing

that left with me if you've ever been or

seen pictures of his office every inch

of his office is covered with pictures

of him every single inch of the office

meeting celebrities right stuff like

that yeah yeah or you know whatever um

covers he was on and just whatever right

and I just remember walking through

there and afterwards you know it was it

was a nice meeting and we had some

follow-up calls and everything but it

never went anywhere in terms of the

online stuff but I just remember

thinking to myself if I ever become you

know visible or famous you know to that

level don't let me get so caught up in

just having pictures of myself and you

know I'd had conversations with my

buddies about it just like you know you

guys would and so then in

2004 um I got a chance to do a show

called the benefactor ABC called me and

said okay wait let's show this we have

this uh this was got tweeted so so so

this is after we got you did Oppo

research saxs you got Oppo research this

is on Twitter this all on people Tred to

with me on on Twitter they so so anyway

so when I got the gig um he was like

congratulations good luck and everything

I was like thank you and whatever and

then when I got cancelled he sent me

that letter basically saying you suck

and so well he was he was dancing on the

grave of your show but so you're saying

you didn't have beef with him before

that letter no yeah it was not a beef

but it was just like that's what it was

and so it was just like okay whatever

and um okay but then when he ran in 2016

you were supportive can we show that

let's show the there's more between

there's more in between there's a lot

more in between okay okay so that's 2004

2007 um Eric reaches out to me and goes

hey there's no hard feelings with my dad

or anything I'm like no I don't care he

goes we're working with um these Russian

MMA fighters this guy named Fedor emili

Yenko who was like one of the best ever

at that point in time and Josh Barrett

and kind of the irony of all this is we

were competing with Dana Dana White and

the UFC in some respects because a lot

of Fighters felt like they weren't

getting paid enough there was no Health

Care there was no nothing right and so I

had a TV network we had started the

first all highdefinition TV network

called hdnet back in 2000 back when TVs

cost 20 ,000 and everybody thought we

were idiots but slowly but surely it was

taking off and so they came to me and

said we like to put um we're partnering

with these guys who are putting on this

MMA fight um with Fedor and Josh Barrett

and some other folks and we'd like to

broadcast it on on hdnet because we had

a show called um this week in MMA so we

were promoting we had fights that we

were already putting on every Friday

night so it actually was a good fit so

you'll see pictures of me sitting with

them and actually and I couldn't find it

I so pissed because I was going to with

him some more um what he said in the you

know during the time we were sitting at

that Podium was everything Mark hban

touches turns to gold and so I was like

that would have been so great to to have

out there and so and anyway so we were

friends again and so it's 2007 and we're

friends and nothing happens between then

until whenever he started going crazy on

Twitter and um all the Obama stuff and

everything and the birth certificate and

the birth birth stuff so he's on Twitter

and he started with me like saying that

so let me just preface this by saying I

golfed once in my life in 1989 and I

hated it so bad I was throwing clubs

because I'm one of those really super

competitive guys I'm like never again

but I went and worked um I auctioned off

myself to be a caddy at a golf

tournament that he also was at but he

starts tweeting that I saw Mark cubin

and he swings like your girl and this

and that it swings like your girl like

nobody saw me swing because I don't Golf

and so I started back with him and so we

went back and forth on Twitter for years

for years and then he comes down to um

escalator in 2015 and I'm like all right

this guy's got no chance to win um but I

think it's great because I don't like

traditional politicians I'm not you know

there's nothing about me that thinks

that the way we do politics or the way

the government is run is a good thing

not at all I mean I my heart is

libertarian but I realize you can't Li

Arians are not problem solvers they're

ideologues you know like you look at

Rand Paul everything's only one way he

doesn't try to solve problems so anyways

um I digress so he comes down the I'm

like that's cool right he doesn't have a

chance to win but um I'm like he's the

best thing ever you know you know how

you know I forget where I was but I was

like he's the best thing that ever

happened to politics he's not a

politician he's not going to be a stepf

candidate I may not agree with his

positions but you know just the fact

that he's not a politician is a good

thing and so from there he called me and

we talked a lot probably 10 to 15 times

on the phone he would call me you know

and he tweeted one time mark cubin would

try to call I never had a number there

was no way for me to call him right he

would you know and you know the way he

emails he refuses to send an email

because he doesn't want any proof of

anything he's done right and so you know

he would write it up like you had one of

those pictures so bring up the one on

the CNN where he says what happened so

right there CNN nasty what happened see

see what he does there his email he

writes on a piece of paper and then

scans it and sends it as an image via

email and so what happened just so just

so the audience can understand so the

the email is from you to him saying tell

the boss I said congrats on his sweep

and then and then his assistant printed

it out and then wrote back to you and

like this is one of many emails that we

went back and forth on this there but

just to be just as a weird point he

literally prints out his emails writes

on them has them scanned in and sent as

an image to you Mark wow saw you on CNN

nasty how did he send this to you he he

mailed this to you or or what he mailed

it an image he doesn't use email I mean

the guy emailed it back right so he

writes on the piece system prints it out

he reads it he writes on it she scans it

she scans the sends the image to me now

the big question there you can't just

let that slide why do you think he does

that he's just a different generation at

least that's my interpretation no

absolutely not nope I'm with Mark he

don't want Paper Trails or anything he's

doing Shady stuff man I I think you're

reaching there obviously there's a paper

trail if he writes hold on if he writes

it on a piece of paper hold on if I

write right now on a Post-It notes scan

an email to you there's a paper trail no

no you can't search for it and it's not

his you know yes to your point he I'm

just telling you he won't send emails at

all he doesn't want any assistant

created an electronic record what's the

difference you have to ask him on that

but he said generational thing this is

my interpretation I think it's a

generation David he has literally said

it out loud that he doesn't want a paper

trip but anyway so let's go back so so

now we're talking back and forth and

we're having legit conversations I

remember asking him you know you realize

as president you're going to have to

make decisions where people can die and

he really wouldn't respond yeah I get it

I get it I'm like Donald you don't have

a ground game what are you g to do how

are you going to get through this beat

him yeah I got the evangelicals doing

all that I'm not worried about it I'm

like Donald you know and we would I

would bring up things about there was

this one thing where um

the FBI used used this device to break

into an iPhone and there was a big thing

about you know privacy and I tried to

engage him on a conversation on it and

it's just like I don't know I you know

just didn't want to talk about that at

all and that would that would happen

multiple times where I would try to

engage in conversations about some some

type of policy and there just it never

got anywhere and there was never a

conversation and I said to him I'm say

there's another email where I said

Donald at some point you have to learn

these things you literally have to learn

these things in order to be president

and he didn't respond to that and that's

when I went on CNN and I said basically

look I like the guy but he he's not

learning he doesn't make any effort to

learn anything and I think that can

carries on till this day because you

can't look at things he says and say

that's really an in-depth response or

that's a nuanced response and so that's

what I said on CNN and that led to the

um image that you you guys posted so

that was the falling out that was the

falling out yeah or maybe but it wasn't

a complete fall if you want me to

continue so it's not a complete falling

out because okay after that he gets

elected I send him a congratulatory

message um and I say congrats you know

um you know if I can ever help I'm happy

to and so when they were starting to

look at replacing the ACA I was starting

to get into Healthcare and and being in

excited about Healthcare and so they

invited me to the White House and I

spoke to Jared I spoke to this woman

named Brooke Rollins I think her name is

um and I spoke to a whole group of

people I went to CMS and I spoke to the

head of the agency I spoke to the head

of CMS all talking about this thing I

created called the 10 plan which is a

means tested ability to support anyways

um and so they brought me back in and

then when the pandemic hit I sent them

some ideas on you know backstopping um

bank accounts and credit card accounts

so everybody doesn't just default and he

had manin call me and then when they had

with the pandemic he connected we with

with Peter Navaro and I worked with him

and actually found a company here in

actually outside of Fort Worth that um I

put together with them and I helped that

company increase their output and Peter

Navaro worked with them closely and we

you know really made a dent in all the

PPE issues and you know he invited me to

the White House and then I went to the

White House one time went into the

overal office and there's pictures of me

talking and again I tried to explain the

healthc care stuff he just wasn't having

any type of in-depth conversation he

wanted to tell me about how much money

he saved on um on from Boeing you know

how many billions and this and that and

then it was a short conversation and

then I was leaving he goes look are you

still on that show and he goes I'm like

yeah Shark Tank he goes yeah that's

Baron's favorite show and then as I'm

leaving further he goes wait a minute I

really like that suit so you know and

and you know he's called me since um not

since he left the White House but you

know in the you know later in his tenure

at the White House and invited me to

dinner I mean and so it's not like we

left as foes and it's not like I don't

like him I just don't think he's the

best person to be president I don't

think he was a good let's just TR test

that what how would you think about the

four years that he was president in

hindsight what what would you say was

done well what would you say was done

poorly just those two things I think the

way he dealt with the zit isn't the

right word just the vibe of the country

was really really really bad I think the

hate that he conveyed I think the fact

that what he tweeted negatively you know

so companies didn't know what was coming

next you know he tweeted negatively

about me he tweeted negatively about

other people I thought that was a real

bad thing when the BLM um protest

happened and turned into riots when they

went into Minnesota he was like when the

Looting when the Looting starts the

shooting starts who the says that as a

president and so we had more people die

during riots during his term than than

Biden by a long shot and I think he

misrepresented where he stood in terms

of being anti-war if you go back to

2019 um and look at the war in Yemen um

there were hundreds at least 100,00

people plus died and there was a

bipartisan resolution to say we're not

selling any more to the Saudis we're not

selling any more weapons to the Saudis

and a bipartisan resolution including

Mark Meadows and ran Paul and others

said you know passed it and it went to

his desk and he said we're still going

to sell these um Munitions and this um

these weapons to Saudi Arabia even

though these people continue to die so

when we talk about it's you know it's

not all that much different than Ukraine

and in some respects only Saudi Arabia

got the Glen Gary leads and Ukraine got

our old stuff and we replaced it and so

when he Tod comes out now and says look

you know I'm against all wars were no

Wars that's right the

mainstream media well okay so there's

two things there so just just on the

2020 riots I don't know how you blame

Trump for the BLM Riots of Summer of I

blame him for the riots what I said was

how he dealt with it I get you don't

like the Mean Tweets I get I totally get

me twe no don't diminish it David don't

diminish it as just mean tweets people

pay attention to what happens and when

you are have people whose lives are I

think it's far worse to actually have

riots going on in the streets that's

what needed to be controlled how many

people he wanted to hold on he wanted to

send in the National Guard to Minnesota

it was actually Waltz who rejected the

National Guard he had no problem and

there were plenty of ties between oh

there were plenty of ties between

Democratic activists and the BLM

organizers of those riots Time Magazine

did story on that I'm not saying he's at

fault that the riots happened I just

yeah but I can't believe they using the

the riots throughout the summer of 2020

as an argument against Trump when it was

the left no I think what he's saying is

the leadership that he shows is of low

moral character

did he do anything right Mark well I'm

not done with the wrong stuff okay but

wait there's more right let's go back to

the the the foreign policy for a second

Trump is correct that he did not start

any new wars during his presidency you

agree with that right

um that no new war started or he didn't

start any um he didn't start any he was

like the first president in 20 years not

to start a new war well he inherited

some for sure and he inherited Syria and

Afghanistan and he wanted to get out and

the generals didn't let him and there

wasn't really a war that happened in

turkey and then when we got shut down um

he didn't know there wasn't really a war

I'll agree with that he didn't his

argument is that he did not start any

new Wars has Biden started Edy well I

would argue that Biden provoked the

proxy war in Ukraine yes I mean you can

disagree whether he provoked or not but

there's no question the US has been

deeply involved in a war with Russia in

Ukraine and I'm saying what I'm saying

is the correlat that the analogy to that

is what happened in yen and that we had

a chance to get out of Yemen and reduce

the deaths in Yemen much like they're

talking about getting us out of the out

of Ukraine now and we had the

opportunity to stop selling um weapons

but he looked the best I could tell he

looked at it as a sales opportunity to

sell to MBS all these weapons and he

thought that was a positive so a lot of

people died and we're still in there

today so it's not he had a chance to get

us out and he did not so I'm not arguing

that he's perfect and Biden's perfect

and it's tit for T it just is what it is

I'm just saying State making this

statement of fact you know and that's it

yeah okay well look we did we did

support we did support the Saudis in

their war with with with Yemen so wait

let me give you the one last thing and

then we'll yeah keep going so then I'll

go to some positives so the the next

thing you can actually Trace that y War

I I can't say you actually I'm I'm a

little bit hyperbole but I can trace

that from that Yan War to the start of

inflation and here's how I explain that

and so in Yen he did a deal with for his

boy in Saudi Arabia and sent them all

the weapons in 2019 fast forward one

year and you're in May uh no AP April

let's say of

2020 and you're looking at the price of

gas the lowest it's ever been the price

of oil just collapsing at one point

people were paying you to take their oil

and so there was an opportunity he made

a decision because there was a situ

ation that came up the oil companies

came in and said this price of oil being

so low is killing us right we're losing

a lot of money we anticipate losing more

because with the pandemic now starting

demand is dropping like a rock and so he

and that was coming from the oil

companies and so what he did he said

okay MBS owes me a favor over in Saudi

Arabia that's the connection and Putin's

my boy I'm going to go to them and ask

them to reduce

production now what happens to the price

of gas when the largest producers of um

largest producers of oil and

energy decrease their

production the price starts going up and

up and up and so you can track the

increase in the price of gas and how

that impacted the price of goods the

entire time that the production from the

10% reduction until the they increase it

like 300,000 barrels a day for two years

what is your argument here you're saying

that Som Trump caused the inflation yes

and I'm I'm explaining to you I'm again

the mainstream media first all by the

way the the war in Yemen started on

March 26 2015 according to chat GPT

which is under Obama no I started under

Obama that's fine but he had a chance he

was asked to end it by Congress he was

at he we were sending he was selling

$660 billion I I don't know the number I

I can't remember exactly in weapons to

Saudi Arabia and he there was how did

the fact that we had 9% inflation in

2022 so two years after Trump office

glad how in the world is Trump

responsible for that and not Biden Harr

so glad you asked that because the

mainstream media never talks about this

stuff and so she a little dig there so

Trump goes in and says we're going to

cut the production by 10% demand is

still relatively low but you know in

April May June as people start venturing

outside their house until the end of

2020 the end of his term that there's an

increase in demand but the increase in

demand the increase in production

doesn't match the increase in demand

they limited as part of this deal that

Trump put together between um um Russia

and um Saudi Arabia and um that led to

other people in OPEC plus um

participating they only increased the

the production of oil by 300,000 barrels

a day which didn't keep up with the

amount of demand that was happening that

started increasing the price of gas that

price of gas continued to increase for

the two years this program was in place

this program wasn't like let's just cut

it for 60 days and go back at it it

wasn't let's just do this for 90 days

let's just do this during the Trump

Administration no no no no no this deal

went before they got it took two years

before they got back to pre-pandemic

levels of produ ction and so listen to

what Trump says about drill baby drill

why does he say drill baby drill will

lead to lower costs because oil and

energy costs are part of everything and

you know what matches up perfectly what

matches up perfectly is that 99.1% in

2022 and the day that that agreement

ended where MBS and Russia limited

production that agreement ended it like

this if you did your little V diagram

that like and increase production

decrease production

bam that is the answer to your question

so just to summarize what you the

argument that you don't like about him

is you got to know him like many people

do you worked with him on projects and

like Pence bar Matas Tillerson Bill bar

and Mike Cohen and the mooch Omarosa you

realized this person is out for

themselves they don't care about the

people they work with and you fell out

of friendship with him or whatever

there's a long list of people who don't

who worked with him who think he's an

idiot and don't like him now you're on

that list yeah I mean I don't think he's

an idiot I'm not saying that's my

position I'm just summarizing it look I

don't think he's an ID not your position

no I haven't work with him he's one of

the greatest salespeople ever he's one

of the greatest you know um motivators

in terms of crowd motivation ever but

can Ro J he's Roy con Jr that is who he

is if you read books about Cohen

everything Roy Cohen says to do tracing

back to the McCarthy hearings in 54

everything Ro Roy Cohen says to do that

is exactly what Donald Trump does I just

want I just want to paint this thing and

then i' I'd like to hear the glass half

full version to the extent you have one

but basically I just I just want to

understand so my understanding was in

2020 what happened was not that Saudi

Arabia and Russia were cooperating to

cut prices but they got into a fight

because it wasn't really it wasn't

really Saudi but it was OPEC which

includes us and which versus Russia and

we initiated against them which they

counteracted a price War they they

initiate against so Saudi Arabia

initiated against Russia but what but

what I'm so what I'm trying to

understand is there's a war in Yemen

right we don't stop the armaments of

Saudi and I guess what you're saying is

that then

triggered an OPEC no no what sayings o

Trump

won MBS owed Trump one so MBS starts the

price war with Russia one year later and

the oil companies come to Donald and say

look we're getting destroyed demand is

dropping they've increased because of

this price war between um Saudi Arabia

and Russia Saudi Arabia decides to take

it to Putin and increases their

production significantly so in order to

keep their revenues up Russia's got to

do the same thing meanwhile all the all

the demand is dropping because of the

pandemic and so Donald gets asked by the

insurance comp the um oil companies to

go to MBS and to Putin and say we need

to stop this price War we need to reduce

production and to his credit if if you

think that's a positive to Trump's

credit he did it and so by reducing

production over a plan of two years and

you can go look at the production

numbers right and when that sto by doing

that that increased the price of gas the

price of oil the price of energy and

that was bad for American consumers who

utilize gas who you know paid pay for

gas for their cars really bad for him

but he decided to work with his Oil

Company buddies and protect them you can

say that's a good decision or bad

decision maybe it's strategic we really

he really felt they could go out of

business and he wasn't willing to give

them money to help them but the bottom

line was that that matches up exactly to

that 99.1% that David Sachs mentions it

also menes up matches up to okay does he

fully support the oil companies over the

price of gas and will that influence

what he will do as president again so

when he says I'll just get out of

Ukraine depends on who's making the

money and where it is when he says I'm

going to get people to drill baby drill

okay well we already learned a lesson

wait wait wait wait sorry okay so look

this is very hard to hold on a second

this is very hard to fact check in real

time because I've never heard this

Theory

before have a theory on the Pod

lete has a question yet so let mey the

point the point is that you know this is

like totally novel I don't even think

I've heard you make this theory on X

before I was waiting okay you're

Dro hasn't been able to get involved

let's have free going to let him

basically site this nonsense and I don't

get to interrogate it a little nonsense

David you no no but I just wanted to

include freeberg in the discussion 40

minutes ask question let me ask question

go chat GPT go Google it go look it up

however you want okay what about the

fact that Biden's first day in office he

cancels the Keystone Pipeline and a

bunch of leases he makes it harder to

drill in the United States so he reduces

the ability for for domestic producers

to produce you don't think that that

would have an impact yeah but it wasn't

on the price it wasn't on the price of

gas because it's the price of gas is a

global phenomenon right the price of oil

rather is a global phenomenon it's we we

are the largest producer of energy in

the world but we're still only about

133% I think it is don't quote me on

that but that's that's a range and so

the other 87% has more of an impact and

even to that there was still an

unlimited amount of drilling available

on public lands and leases available

that weren't fully used now that said I

think Biden did mistakes did make

mistakes wait okay guys hold on let

let's just finish one thing before the

other I would just like an answer of

what is the good and the bad of Donald

Trump and then what I was gonna ask you

is what was the good and the bad of

Biden I just want

those ansers guys just just just give me

one sec can I just ask make one comment

I've been here for like 40 minutes um

yeah trying to get you in I want to

respond to the inflation point mark I

you know I just shared two images first

was the US crude oil production chart

and more than half of this oil is

exported so you can see the the

reduction in production but the the

domestic oil

production

capacity remained High relative to our

consumption so us consumption if oil was

the biggest driver it really would have

affected the profits of the exporting

companies not necessarily the cost of

energy

domestically I will however point out

that the federal balance sheet the

Federal Reserves balance sheet swelled

during from4 trillion to8

trillion as we all know there was

significant fiscal stimulus meaning the

federal the federal government bought

the only Char David I didn't say it was

the only cause I didn't say it exclusive

CA well I would argue that flooding the

world with dollars which is what the

Federal Reserve did because they bought

up all the bonds as the federal

government started to issue money in

lots of different ways cause the supply

of dollars to go up which causes the

cost of anything that's dollar

denominated to grow up and I think many

economists would argue and make the case

that the fiscal policy and the monetary

policy of the federal government and the

Federal Reserve is largely to account

and I'm not going to use the word blame

but to account for the inflation we saw

in the cost of everything from energy to

production to labor to assets and so

they're not mutually exclusive they're

not mutually exclusive they're not but

there was also sign ific as we can all

acknowledge massive in a dynamical

system Global Supply chains are a

dynamical system stuff is made in one

place move to another place when one

thing breaks or it slows down it all

breaks and we had a massive shortfall

ability to move Goods around the world

and that was the biggest driver of the

inflationary effects that we saw in the

I agree 100% but even if you go back to

those the first two charts you put up it

matches up with exactly what I said

production went down demand went up and

the net result was that price of gas

went up and price of gas is in

everything is it the only but no but

production went down in everything Not

Just Energy but everything and not

because of energy but because of a lot

of other reasons and then and then and

then we had a whiplash problem where we

had over demand relative to the Natural

and none of the production systems could

keep up with demand because of the fisal

stimulus I agree 100% with you all I'm

saying you can try trace it back to

maybe it's 1% of the price maybe it's 3%

of the price maybe whatever the

percentage is I'm not saying it's

exclusive but you can trace it back to

the decision being made to support the

energy companies and say we are going to

reduce production rather than just

letting the market play out and saying

we'll let gas prices stay as low as they

are based off of supply and demand now

are do I agree with you that supply

chain disruption transitory yes of

course and fiscal and monetary policy

like stimulating the world economy by

pouring a t of money out that's never

happened in history right for sure 100%

the question is in propor you think

Larry Summers was wrong when in q1 the

first quarter of the Biden Harris

Administration Larry Summers warned that

if you pass another two trillion of

covid stimulus like they were planning

to do that could set off inflation that

we were on the brink he he said that he

did make that declaration against his

own party Mark and he said this is the

wrong thing as a Democrat he said this

is the wrong thing to do and they went

forward with what they plan to do for

various reasons some would argue

political some would argue that they

thought it was the right thing to do and

the effect was precisely as Larry had

predicted yeah and KLA Harris cast the

tiebreaking vote for that inflation

explosion act otherwise was the American

otherwise known as the American Rescue

plan actually I agree with I agree with

free B really the cause of this massive

20% inflation we've had over bid four

years is a secret deal between Trump and

NBS and like Putin's in there somewhere

you can dismiss it all you want David

just look at the data and look at the

numbers and they match up now to free

BG's point the free BG's point is it the

only thing that caused inflation of

course not when you spend too much money

when you inflate the economy when you

have Supply train chain disruption all

those things contribute but we're also

not having the conversation to say okay

how much of the supply chain disruption

contributed to inflation was it % of

that 20% was it 5% was it 7% was it 1%

we don't know it's impossible it's all

the supp the supply hold on the supply

chain was constrained during covid and

it was healing it was getting better and

then they pumped all the stimulus and

everyone got these s level let me Mark

has an opinion let's leave the opinion

I'm just really curious I just want the

high level report card on the last two

presidence what is the high level report

card Mark to put a cap on this just for

the audience here is our national debt

over the two presidencies the two terms

and as you can see with the taking out

the bump for covid it's pretty much

they're both wild Spenders I think we

can all agree they both are spending too

much money and we need to have more

fiscal discipline we all agree on that

now to Cham out's point is steel man

anything you like about the Trump

presidency and then we'll go to commo I

mean I think there was good elements of

the tax cut I think he went too far but

I think they needed to come down from

35% yeah what whatever the corporate

rate 35% I think was corporate that was

too expensive it made it difficult for

us to compete globally I thought 20 um

and I thought bringing down cap gains um

again I forget exactly what they were

maybe 29% I forget was also smart but I

think he went too far but you can argue

that there's no right answer on what

that is going to be it's a guess right

you just put it out there and you hope

what you what you plan and what you

propose and what is implemented works

and you don't know until it does so I

didn't I didn't have a problem with him

trying that yeah 35 to 21 you got it

exactly right yeah you've acknowledged

that kamla's unrealized gains tax is a

disaster well I'll acknowledge that it's

not real and you're making it up that

you've never heard her say that I made

it up yeah you made a her it was in it

was in the Biden the last Biden Harris

budget it was in the Harris platform at

the DNC it was that was the Biden

platform at the DMC right you never

heard her talk about it search place on

his name and put her name in there but

you're you're reaching David you're

reaching right you never heard her talk

about it at all she's been very specific

that cap gains goes to 28% that um that

what has Biden what has Biden done well

and what has he not done well and then

the follow-up question is if it were an

open Democratic primary would you have

voted for kamla Harris I don't know but

then again if Donald Trump participated

in the debates on the Republican Primary

in the Republican primary would you have

voted for Donald

Trump you

know you're saying you're saying it's

analogous the Republicans had an Open

Primary no but they did s

competed Nikki Haley competed that an

Open Primary Trump was 50 hold on a

second Trump trump was 50 points ahead

maybe he should have debated I don't

know no I mean look I would have been in

favor of him debating but he was 50

points ahead and everybody had a chance

to run

Democrats pretended on let me finish

then you can get your response okay the

Democrats pretended that Joe Biden was

just fine that he was sharp as attack

that he was the best version of Joe

Biden and when the primary came and you

had um Outsiders like Bobby Kennedy uh

try to compete not only did he not only

did Biden not debate they basically use

lawfare to keep Bobby Kennedy off the

ballot they did not allow him a fair

shot at the nomination which is why he

had to leave the party and run as an

independent then we find out after the

debate that actually Biden is not fine

he's actually appears to be a

significant cognitive decline so somehow

Nancy Pelosi gets him out of there and

then KLA Harris is Anointed she's never

won a primary vote ever she in 2020 she

ran and dropped out before the first

primary and then this time around she

never had to compete in the primary and

Som

the question is I don't think well the

question is how can you liken this to

what the Republicans did having an open

and competitive primary so first of all

the Republicans do not have an open and

competitive key word competitive primary

because if one of the candidates refuses

to participate because they have a lead

look what happened to Joe Biden for all

we know VC VC would have destroyed Trump

as much as Trump destroyed Joe Biden

Nikki Haley would have destroyed Trump

as much as Joe um Donald Trump destroyed

Joe Biden I don't I was supporting Des

santis at that time and it was

definitely I think Des santis would have

crushed him too right they those allow

to compete their names were on the

ballot you're talking about a very SE

would you do you think Des santis Nikki

H or VC would have beaten Trump in a in

a debate no I think when if you look at

them okay well hold on I'm saying it's

unclear I don't think you can just say

that they would have won I mean Trump

you so that means it's not a truly

competive Len when Trump when Trump was

in a crowded Republican field and

debated he crushed everybody so I just

don't know what would have happened that

was

2016 this is just debate this is just

debate okay what about the point that

the Democrats kept other contenders off

the ballot they use lawfare and moreover

they lied about Biden's cognitive

condition and then they anointed KLA

Harris through a process that is opaque

and we still don't know what happened

okay so here's my answer right first

going back to Republic it wasn't a

competitive primary if the contender

doesn't participate and yes he did well

against 15 other candidates in 2016 but

I'd be willing to bet that he's also had

cognitive decline everything he says and

does is reflective of that if Joe Biden

had said the same thing we would be

having a lot of qu we would we don't

judge Donald Trump and his cognitive

ability the way we did Joe Biden okay so

we'll put that behind now let's go to

Joe Biden I can tell Democrats lied

about Biden's condition let's just put

Let me I'm going to tell you my personal

experiences with Joe Biden right I

didn't talked to him a lot twice during

that period And I can tell you from the

first time I saw him a year before the

last time I saw him which was you know

probably in March or April I forget

there was a decline but the decline was

in his sharpness right his quickness of

response if you sat down and you listen

to him speak about something which I did

he wasn't forceful he wasn't you know he

looked like a Walking Corpse um he

looked awful right um but in terms of

content it was there and so I understand

why they positioned him the way they did

it's just to sell it was impossible so

that's part one so I don't think the

decline is nearly what you're saying it

is but I do agree why they get rid of

him why they get okay so that's now

we're moving forward right his ability

to respond in real time you slow down we

all slow down right I'm 66 years old and

I've slowed down versus where I was at

45 you so you know at 81 and at 78 you

were going to be slower Joe Biden in

just was not as quick that was a real

problem he got destroyed in the debate

by Trump because of that not because he

didn't know the the materials and the

content but he just couldn't respond and

think fast enough so I think that's

where the the misunderstanding is it's

not that he had cognitive decline in the

purest sense it's that his ability to

respond quickly was gone and he looked

like he had cognitive decline so now

let's go forward to the Democratic

National um convention where um and

right before that where they replaced it

I was curious about just the um

mechanics of the whole thing so being

the curious person I am I went and

pulled up the bylaws and the rules of

the democratic party and the Democratic

National Convention and they reset those

every four years prior to them pulling

out and it's very very clear that the

only Mission and the only task and it's

pretty much the same in the Republican

because I look that there's too the only

mission is to win you want to to win the

presidency you want to have control of

Congress that's all they care about and

they give themselves every bit of

flexibility to do whatever they damn

well please to put themsel in that

position they are a private organiz are

they the party are they the party then

of democracy as they claim to be or are

they the party of winning at all cost so

now you're trying to you know play

branding games right it start I'm just

saying that their rhetoric is at odds

what they actually did hold on a second

there were 14 million AR voters in the

Democratic primary that's the mainstream

media discussion of this right they say

there's 14 million voters I say Trump

didn't debate at all there was Zero

debates with Donald Trump which one open

primary though people got to vote for

their candidate it's not an Open Primary

because it's Donald Trump's family

business he controlled what happened in

the yeah look listen I mean I was again

I was supporting someone different

during the primary and the reason why

danus lost is he didn't get enough votes

okay the Republican Prim voter Donald

Trump

that's why won the Primary fair and

square whether he debated or not he was

up 50 points on everybody else and I bet

I don't not what happened with Biden

what happened with Biden is B bid let me

finish David let me finish Biden won the

Democratic primary he got 14 million

votes and then they threw at that threw

out that result and put in KLA Harris

because they didn't like his we ever in

a

fraternity what's that were we ever in a

fraternity were we ever in a fraternity

no okay in a fraternity they get to vote

on all kinds of but at the end of the

day if the chap

the the National Organization says no

right doesn't matter who won the

election right so you're saying the

Democratic party is a click I get it

it's meain just to just DAV you're just

talking branding you can brand it

however you want no the Democrats said

they're the party of Dem Democrat I'm

not a Democrat I don't care what they do

I don't care supporting them you're

supporting them supporting can you

acknowledge hold on can you just

acknowledge that their rhetoric is

hypocritical I don't care what the r is

I don't pay attention I don't pay

attention to their rhetoric we're not

going to get progress I really want to

hear what Mark thinks yes here we Gove

forward move forward two okay two things

seem to uh be true at the same time if

I'm recapping your position here mark

one you would have liked to seen Trump

debate two I think you would have loved

to seen a speedrun primary perhaps maybe

kamla you know battled it out I honestly

didn't care I want once Donald Trump was

the candidate I wanted the best person

to beat Donald Trump what I cared about

let me go back to my question so I'm

just going to give you a succinct

summary of Mark Cuban's position his

evaluation of the Trump presidency the

positives were tax cuts and warp speed

and operation War spe and warp speed the

negatives were continuing the war in

Yemen when they had a chance to and then

this and actually the negative wasn't so

much that sorry TR stum the negative

wasn't so much he continued it the

negative is the hypocrisy and his okay

right in the style okay now tone of how

he governed can we do Biden what are the

things that Biden and Harris did well

that have helped the country and what

are the things that they could have done

better did not do well so I'll start

with the negatives first so just so you

know that there's a lot of them one the

way they handled the Border was

horrific there's no way to you know to

say it any differently now I understand

why they took the approach they did

literally if if I were in a central a

Central American company country and my

family was at risk getting shotgun

because there's a drug war I'm doing

everything I can and I Rec I recognize

you know that if I just set foot on

American soil I have a chance for Asylum

and I get that and I get why Biden and

his administration might say just for

human humanitarian reasons we're going

to increase the number of people that we

allow to do that I understand why he

would do it but at the same time he

opened the door too wide and he made it

so that there were too many people that

came through and that created cascad

problems now to his credit down back in

June I think it was he he signed an

executive order which he now has made

permanent or is permanent as you can as

president that changed um that there's

no longer the option to just set foot on

American soil and be eligible for um a

hearing for Asylum you can't do that any

longer and to her credit she worked with

the um head of um The Mexican government

and they have taken steps to reduce the

flow of people to the border and so now

the number of encounters at the border

is about the same as what it was right

before the pandemic under the Trump

Administration so while he was too long

to do it while he um handled it

incorrectly overall and messaging was

horrible I think they got to the right

place but now we have a problem right

that he created where we have too many

um non-citizens illegal aliens however

you want to call them however you want

to Brand them and we have to understand

how to deal with them I think that they

have talked about Comm has talked about

first and even JD Vance said this first

we're going to get rid of the criminals

which makes sense but Donald Trump says

we're just going to deport everybody any

illegal were just going to deport them

now Obama was the deporter and- chief he

deported more people than Trump or Biden

over three million people but he had a

specific process in place that everybody

could understand and I think with Trump

remember um that or oron Gonzalez kid

the six-year-old kid in

Miami Gonzalez right where you all a

sudden you had these these cops with you

know riot gear on and machine you know

and AR-15s or whatever they use pointing

them at a six-year-old kid cowering in a

closet if Donald Trump does that and

that's not contrary to how he approaches

things we could have another series of

riots and protests that go really really

bad and so while I think Biden handled

things completely wrong at the beginning

I think with Harris now and she's saying

she'll support the um the immigration

bill that was bipartisan etc etc you

guys know that I think she has a more

common sense approach to dealing with

deportations and getting people through

the Asylum system and the Asylum that

bill I think said that it would reduce

the amount of time to adjudicate Asylum

to 90 days which means that there's a

chance to get control of this turns into

a r okay so that was border was bad

anything else bad or should we shift to

the good I think the spending was bad I

think um that we overspent and I think

we went through a period where uh and

I'm not trying to make excuses for him I

just think you know you guys mentioned

this before he did overspent and I think

the the infrastructure bill was good I

think the Broadband bill was good and

everybody says we spent $42 billion on

broadband and got nothing we should have

gone to Starling but the reality is the

money went to the states and they could

buy um staring from Elon all they want

so that's just kind of the mainstream

media poo pooing something they

shouldn't poo poo but the EV stuff the

EV Chargers that's a cluster you know

and there's no way around that and so I

think that was bad um so pork barrel

spending basically unaccountable

spending yeah no I think you know what

they did in health care um you know you

can take Lena KH con and say what she's

doing for the mergers you know Alberton

and kovers I think is too much I think

you know and I even told her this I sat

on a panel s right next to her and I

said the most important thing from a

technological perspective in this

country today is that we win AI that is

going toine everything militarily for us

and economically for us and that when

you try to break up companies like

Google and Facebook you diminish our

ability to compete globally with AI and

she told me now that she didn't didn't

impact her at all that she understands

that and she's heard that before I think

their approach to that is wrong I think

that what she's done with the FTC

against Pharmacy benefit manager ERS has

been good right Pharmacy benefit

managers are ripping off more companies

and costing and increasing the cost of

medications more than anything else

that's happening in healthcare and she's

called them on the carpet with a recent

report and just sued them I think that's

good um I think in terms of other

negatives like K Harris now I think um

the um um filibuster I think that's a

mistake to try to get rid of the

filibuster because then somebody else

gets rid of it for something else and

it's just cascading problems um on

spending we talked about I think he

spent too much and what have they done

well I think he changed the tone of the

country I think that was really really

important no one woke up you know and

David calls it mean tweets but not

waking up concerned about Mean Tweets is

important not waking up concerned about

there being some random um tariff on

your company that you didn't expect not

waking up being accused of of doing

something I think those were all huge

positives I think um supporting workers

I think you know just having just a

sensibility of okay we're we're not in

the middle of everything there just

wasn't this uncertainty like every

single day that every business woke up

with with Trump just removing that was

the biggest positive of all so let's

look forward now to AA Harris candidacy

for president of the things so we know

the Donald Trump track record because he

gets the credit for the things he got

right and he has to take ownership of

the things but how it's been defined

I'll use the Yon example again I'll use

the price example on oil again the you

know we have Trump nesia right we

presume that what he did in terms of the

economy and everything and no Wars you

know no everything was just Rosy under

Donald Trump and I think that's another

thing that's NE I'll be honest I've

never heard this specific Theory I'll

take the time to look and figure it out

for myself and I'll

but what I'm curious about is that track

record is there now how much of the and

do you think it's important for us to

give credit for the good things to kamla

and responsibility for the bad things to

kamla in that so that you have an

equivalent AB comparison do you think

about it that way or no no I don't and

I'll tell you why okay I'm assuming all

you guys have had a boss at one point or

another yes yeah yeah and do you all

agree with everything that that boss did

all the

time no no no no but you had to do what

the boss told you to do yeah and that's

Common's job but I like I like to take

credit for when the boss tells me I'm

owning something and then I do it well

but at the same time you get credit for

doing it but it doesn't matter you know

if it turns out to be wrong it's still

the boss that's on the hook for what

about the Border mark because you made a

comment about the border and she was

declared the borders are yeah again that

that's branding I mean we play branding

games with politics all the time if you

look at what her specific responsibility

was I alluded to it earlier her job was

to go to Central America and talk to the

heads of the countries there and try to

reduce the reasons why people were

leaving their countries to go to the

United States why do you think they uh

open the border so much I'm wondering

Mark there is a conspiracy theory or

Theory um you can you can pick how you

want to frame it that this is to

increase the number of democratic voters

at the same time we hear that a lot of

the folks coming in who are the working

class that the Republican part is now

the populist party so those votes would

to the Republicans so you know I've

heard this argument from both sides what

is there's another theory an economic

theory Mark which is that it increases

the base of workers when we're at our

lowest unemployment rate in history and

inflation is Raging so by bringing in

lowcost workers at that you're that

you're able to get to work at a lower

wage rate you actually have a

deflationary effect and a stimulatory

effect because then they end up being

tend get the logic there I don't think

there I think maybe they might have

thought of that earlier and that's why

they let too many people in but I think

they realize now that they screwed up

and that shouldn't be that shouldn't be

an executive Authority right I mean that

should be like a legislative

Congressional Authority that makes that

decision and that determination on

whether to change immigration policy do

you think that the executive branch

should be able to unilaterally determine

who comes into the country without

following laws no I prefer that the

Congress does it unfortunately that's

just not what works look at the SEC with

Gary gendler the guy's a and but

you know they

that actually yeah so that's an area we

we can agree on but before we get to

that so so your claim on Border we

finally found ground truth here we go no

we we can agree on we can agree on

that'll we'll get to that but but before

before we do that I just want to finish

up on Border here so your claim is that

KLA Harris really wanted to seal the

Border but she was prevented no doing by

Jo didn't say that David you're really

good at trying to position things so you

have you know you have talking points to

go out with um no I'm just you said that

this was a case of a VP who was thwarted

by her boss who do not what I said that

is you ad the king of virtue signaling

David you the k for virt okay so the

truth is she was on board with Joe

Biden's agenda I don't know she's doing

what she was told which is it

there's no you're creating false choices

David you're creating so David if you do

the job your boss told you to do does

that you make a declaration before you

do it if I agree or disagree how do you

know she disagreed with Joe Biden about

these policies because I see what she's

doing now well because she changed the

policy right she has a different polic

it's an election year conversion she

realizes what a disaster it's been so so

when Trump does it it's brilliant when

let me give you the proof okay her own

words okay she flipped her position she

called Trump's border wall unamerican

and medieval and mocked it and this is

before she became Biden's Vice pres so

when Trump hold on when when she was in

the Senate and Trump was trying to build

the wall remember Democrats tried to

thwart that they subjected him to years

of litigation to prevent him from

building that wall and she multiple

times was on record saying the wall was

unamerican medieval mocked and so forth

she also compared ice to the KKK she

said that images of border patrol agents

evoke slavery okay this is her rhetoric

I don't think Joe Biden made her say

that she suggested that we abolish ice

and start from scratch okay and now she

wants to talk about how tough she is on

the border ridicul maybe she talked to

JD Vance back then and was taking his

positions people changed their mind for

whatever reason people learn you're

positioning as okay so for so hold on so

so throughout her whole time in the

Senate she was arguing against a border

wall okay in the strongest possible

language she then becomes bordar or you

could call it Point person for the Biden

Administration and for three years they

GID us that the Border was not a problem

that it was not an open festering wound

like the videos were constantly coming

out I remember on the show we talked

about it and I was told when I would

raised the issue of the boorder that was

a conspiracy theory that Fox News was

just cherry-picking videos remember that

Jason in any event yeah well people were

actually it was interesting bring that

because people were sharing people were

sharing videos and playing them on Fox

that were from like 10 years ago so

there was a lot of misinformation

Democrats the whole Dem about Caravans

David all those Caravans never made it

to the Border how many Caravans did we

hear about that over 10 million migrants

have entered the country during the

Biden Harris Administration the first

thing they did hold on when Biden when B

no we know about no no we do know those

those 10 million are just the Border

encounters those are the recorded

crossings that they led into the country

the number we don't know is whether how

many more were not recorded that number

could be 20 or 30 million what happened

why why did this happen I'll tell you

why when Joe Biden took office he

repealed all of trump executive ORD no

we did not what is it

section2 of them title title 42 title 42

stuck around until the end of 23 and in

addition they got rid of Trump's remain

in Mexico policy and they changed the

meaning of Asylum so that anyone who

went to the border and said that they

were suffering economic hardship which

is basically the whole world okay could

now qualify for Asylum and they were

given they were given like a ticket to

appear in court one day like three years

5 years and they were ushered into the

country and then they were like

nonprofits working with the B

Administration to put on buses I agreed

that they screwed I agreed they screwed

up on the border you're I'm not AR screw

up no fine they screwed up but now we

are back defended it so yeah but she she

changed just like Donald just like JD

Vance JD Vance called him Hitler JD

Vance in 2020 and and after diminish

Donald Trump that was in private

Communications in 2016 and JD Vance

explained including last night why he

changed his mind about that right and

that's fine so he talked to people so so

do she representing state of the people

this was her position like six months

ago and now all of a sudden she's the

nominee so

she's you're you're trying you're virtu

signaling like a mother right you're

trying to put you're trying to Brand

anything you tried to Brand anything

that you disagree with that you think is

a negative and just put it on her which

is politics 101 right but you're not

looking at what she's actually doing

what she's she was the point person for

the administration okay look when does

it matter if she was if if she was in

charge does and she said you know what

what you want her to do was like JD van

said about um abortion right I talked to

somebody and my you know they proved it

great that was a smart move by him would

it be smart for her to say I was wrong

now I I've learned more and I've picked

up more information now that's actually

a good question for you sax if JD Vance

can Lobby and want a National Abortion

ban and then change his mind as the

number two for Trump can kamla change

her mind when she is is no longer

running for you know the number two seat

as Biden I well I think I think JD

explained why he changed his mind about

that he said that there was a referendum

in Ohio and his side lost and he so he

can change his mind can Kamala and do

you have the grace for Kamala to change

her mind or not hold on a second he's

taking a learning from that KLA Harris

has never explained why she changed her

mind fact the media hold on a second

when will the media even ask her this

question she doesn't submit for

interviews and certainly the the debate

moderators like on ABC never asked her a

question mark if she's going to change

her mind if she's going to have this

election year conversion why doesn't the

media ask her what is the basis of this

when did you change her mind was it five

minutes ago why then did you uh support

Biden throughout your entire last three

and a half years why don't they ask her

these questions if you were part of the

Biden Administration why did you

volunteer to be the borders are if you

disagree with Joe Biden about these

policies when exactly did you change

your mind those are the questions that

she should be answering why won't she

those are the question why W she submit

to an adversar interview are the

questions that you want so that you

think you can put her on the defensive

and get and

have know no look you want to know but

let me just tell you what's important

put yourself put yourself in the shoes

let's just call this a business right

and The Business of this business is

getting votes and winning this election

and you came in and the the product that

you originally had new Coke failed right

Biden's new Coke in this example and you

come in and you say I'm you know I'm

bringing it back this is the new new

Coke and we we're going to test to see

if that's working well when you brought

in KLA Harris she had no favorable

ratings whatsoever she was behind in all

polling right where Joe Biden was and

now she's either even or ahead or a

little bit behind in every single poll

and why do I bring it up because it

means what she's doing is working you

don't I think actually we agree I think

we actually have found a point to agree

on which is I think comml Harris is just

saying whatever takes to get elected you

can say the same thing about her true

belief hold on she stated her true

belief years ago and throughout the

Biden Administration which is she never

believed the Border was a problem she

thought the border wall Trump's wall was

unamerican and medieval and she thought

that ice needed to be abolished I think

that was her true belief now if it's not

her true belief I would like her to

explain when she changed her belief and

why the same way that JD Vance did and I

think the American people are entitled

to know that and I think if the media

was doing its job they'd be asking her

those questions she she's never been

asked that Stephanie rule that latest

interview did not ask that and the

debate moderators did not ask that let's

just go outside of America for one

second because Mark you're Jewish you're

of Jewish Heritage I would really like

your opinion on what's happening outside

of America there was some crazy pictures

over the last few weeks coming out from

the Middle East there's still all this

complication complicating stuff with

China where do you stand on all of these

things where do you stand on the Mir

shimer Sachs Jeffrey Sachs kind of

school of logic that there's a military

industrial accomplice that tends to just

push us towards these War zones and

these forever Wars where do you just

stand on those issues and how do you

think about that I mean honestly I don't

have enough information to give you a

qualified response I'm I'm pro-israel to

the core because I'm Jewish um I'm anti-

Hamas to the core I think you know

they're terrorists they are terrorists

um I want to see Israel to succeed I

want to see Israel succeed I want to see

the United States support them and help

them in that um but you know when Israel

was going into Gaza I thought it was too

blunt an instrument but when they went

after heala I thought they did the exact

right way and so you know I'm I'm always

only gonna resp you have a nuanced

opinion of this yeah and Ukraine yeah um

Ukraine I don't want to see American

blood spilled and as long as there's a

NATO and I agree there should be a NATO

I'd rather see us spend money than put

soldiers In Harm's Way and so U does

does the Harris campaign agree on that

point or do they have a I haven't had

that conversation I haven't had that

conversation with them I don't Mark let

me ask

you just a point on arithmetic which I

think is the most important arithmetic

we should all be talking about today is

the first uh yesterday was the first day

of the uh Federal year fiscal year right

and here's a little uh image for us to

all look at together as a group an image

that everyone should wake up every

morning in the United States and look at

the first thing they do instead of

looking at Twitter is they should look

at the image that I'm sharing on the

screen right now which is federal debt

in the United States I thought screen of

you taking a bath this is on the first

day on the first day of the new fiscal

year federal debt jumped by $24 billion

in one day federal debt now stands at $

35.7

trillion and the biggest challenge we

have in the year ahead is that 10

trillion of the outstanding debt comes

up for refinance it's going to refinance

at around 4% so we're going to be adding

another $300 billion in new interest

expense next fiscal year plus the Biden

Administration has proposed a $7.2

trillion budget for next year which will

inevitably lead to another $2 trillion

of deficit spending which means that by

the end of 2025 we could be staring at40

trillion of federal debt and if you do

the math on that at 4% interest it's 1.6

trillion a year of interest expense a

year just on interest expense on the

outstanding debt which effectively

begins to eclipse the entire federal

budget very quickly and gives us no

ability to maneuver to meet the needs of

all the policy demands that are being

described and shaped in all of these

elections and all of these debates and

all the that's going on is

really not fundable what is the Harris

campaign say about the situation with

respect to deficit spending and debt and

I don't know how high can raise taxes

and not cut spending to even make a dent

in the challenge ahead without

driving a massive recession what is what

do you think like the Harris versus the

Trump campaign's kind of intentions are

as we look at this Abyss that we're now

kind of jump I can't speak for them I

can only tell you the conversations I've

had and what they've said to me whether

or not they take these directions is

completely up to them and I don't know

but I've said the exact same thing they

know that the um the deficit is a

problem

it won't be a budget b a Biden budget

there's no Biden Administration to

happen they've already you know just the

tax rates are completely different than

the Biden budget proposals where there's

no you know um unrealized capital gains

Etc they went to 28 and 28% so it's not

going to be what was proposed by Biden

there's a limit on tax basically right

like that that that people will there's

only there's a point of diminishing

returns and raising taxes and they

realize it right so when we talked about

unrealized capital gains and I gave

thousand reasons why not they're like we

already know this um y y now to David's

Point why don't they just come out and S

say it because the 1% of high

information voters don't know the

difference of unrealized capital gains

or not and don't care the 99% want to

hear about the things that they're

talking about so that's why people like

me can go out there and talk about it

but to your point and the bigger Point

David um da that they realize that

there's only a couple ways to reduce the

deficit one you get inflation under

control and that reduces interest rates

and that's going to work in our favor

and I think that's happening now if it's

$1.6 trillion then you know if interest

rates go below 4% that saves a lot of

money probably the most you can save

they realized efficiency is an important

element in her last speech in Pittsburgh

she talked about how long it took it

only took one year to build the Empire

State Building that is crazy there's too

much friction in the government to be

able to do building the right way

they're going to reduce friction I've

had conversations with them about AI as

a service and being able to

optimize integrating um um artificial

intelligence into all these processes so

that they don't have to keep on hiring

people I don't think their mindset again

I'm speaking for myself and my

perspective of my conversations with

them I don't think their mindset is to

just go out there and just cut a ton of

people but I do think the mindset is how

can we Implement technology to become

more efficient so that we can provide

more value to the citizens of this

country at less cost I think that's

important to them I think um you're

going to see a lot of redu I'm trying to

think of the best way to say it she

knows that technology is the ultimate

driver of success and if she supports

new technologies and you heard that

again in Pittsburgh she wants she

mentioned blockchain but more

importantly she mentioned Ai and how AI

is key to us being a dominant military

um to having our mil um our military be

dominant and to have our economy grow

because the other way to get results

isn't just to slash and burn like a VC

wants to do but to grow the economy and

that there truly are ways to grow the

economy without just more spending but

do yeah do you supported Elon Musk going

in like if you're saying shed regulatory

burdens shed inefficiency improve

productivity don't we need an Elon Musk

style model that you know Trump has

talked about with Elon send someone in

and let's go fix the inefficiency across

all of the administrative efforts run by

the federal government what first of all