Looksmaxxing Is Not About Looks
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the advantages of being a dude are only
held by a certain amount of dudes,
right? And if you're not one of those
dudes, like then what? So, the deck is
stacked against you. Men are judged
based on their appearance. It used to be
that obesity didn't really matter at
your workplace. Now, it matters a lot.
Now, we have these billionaires who are
all ripped and injecting peptides.
Billionaires are no longer fat slobs who
eat like whatever all day. They're
people who have nutritionists and
personal trainers and stuff like this.
So, I think this kind of represents how
people feel about it.
>> But your vanity, self-obsession, and
insecurity certainly will.
>> This is really what women are doing.
They're clowning looks maxers, turning
off their phone, covering their face
with makeup, and then swiping left on
95% of dating profiles while calling you
vain, calling you insecure. Women were
the original looks maxers. What's more
insecure than covering your face with a
bunch of toxic chemicals every day and
telling other people looks don't matter?
Are we living in reality? Do we actually
lack this much self-awareness? I don't
know. This is this is crazy work.
>> So like I think this is the sentiment
that it's a really interesting sentiment
because what we I think a big part of
looks maxing is there is like
equilibrium between men and women around
appearance that's growing. But I think
what what's happening is that people
feel out of control. And so if I want
you all to think about this for a
second, okay? So if my job is being
stolen by AI and there's inflation,
there's uncertainty. I was planning I'm
I'm in my first year of prochemical
engineering, but I don't know what's
going on. There's war in Iran. People
are moving off of fossil fuels. You
know, electric cars are growing. I don't
know if the industry that I'm in, I'm a
programmer, but now AI is taking my job,
right? So, like the world is
fundamentally out of control. And I
think a lot of things that people we
don't realize is, you know, you can make
arguments for the patriarchy. Fair
enough. But I think what's really scary
is the patriarchy in some ways helps
men. And this is not my area of
expertise either. So, like this is just
what I've observed as a clinician,
right? So, there's some advantages to
being a dude, but like a lot of like the
advantages of being a dude are only held
by a certain amount of dudes, right? And
if you're not one of those dudes, like
then what? Right? So, the deck is
stacked against you. There's no way to
get people to fall in love with you,
right? Which I think is true, but we're
going to try to educate y'all with the
guide to love, sex, and relationships.
That's why we built that thing because
we want to teach y'all what actually
works. But then, like, what do you do,
right? How can you exercise control?
There's only one domain that you have
control over which is yourself. And so
the more out of control we feel, this is
something that we learned from a paper
from 1979 about anorexia is there's a
relationship between the more out of
control you feel in the outside world,
the more brutal you will be with
yourself, right? And there's this weird
perverse angle to this which like I want
to go back to this idea of is like I
don't know if this makes sense. There's
a certain like if you're a dude, there's
a certain like nobility to going out
with a bang. I don't need to be a
candle. I'mma be a [ __ ] firework. And
if the price that I pay is the sacrifice
of my own death, this is something that
men, we have been, we are raised in a
culture where sacrificing ourselves is
to be lauded. Band of brothers, you pay
the price, but you ain't weak, right?
Like, does that kind of make like I
don't know if women in the audience are
going to get that. If you're a dude,
hopefully that makes sense. I don't know
how else to say say it. Like the size of
our sacrifice increases the moral value
of what we do. I'm going to go hard. I'm
going to go extreme. I'm going to
research. And the more effort that we
put in, the more we sacrifice, the more
more more more. We're getting over this
insecurity. And there is evidence, for
example, that if I am better looking,
then my financial outcomes are better,
my dating outcomes are better, my
relationship outcomes are better.
There's some evidence of that. When
people learn this stuff, they're blown
away by how little appearance matters. I
want you all to understand this because
it's kind of confusing. You can look at
a study and you can say people who are
more physically attractive make more
money than people who are less
physically attractive. That can be true,
but that's not the right question to
ask. The right question is which are the
variables that contribute the most to
financial success? And how does
appearance rank against other things
like showing up every day like EQ,
right? So for example, what I observed
when I was working a lot in banking and
private equity and stuff, all these
startups out of Harvard and MIT is like
e a balance of EQ and IQ is what it
takes to get to the top. EQ, IQ,
perseverance, work ethic, high amount of
conscientiousness, a fair amount of
anxiety, by the way, because if you're
not worried about stuff, you're just
going to kind of chill, right? Right?
So, when you have very very very low
neuroticism, it's hard to get your ass
up in the morning. People who are super
chill are not super successful. It's not
harder. There's just a different way to
do it. Right? So, I think the problem
with a lot of this research on okay,
appearance does all of these things is
that it it doesn't include the rest of
the variables in the equation. So, as a
simple example, we showed this this cool
paper, you know, several like maybe
about a year ago about the drive for
muscularity. And the drive for
muscularity is inversely correlated with
length of a relationship. So what this
basically means is that the more
muscular more swole length of
relationship. That's what it looks like.
I'm sure it's not actually like that.
I'm sure it's it's probably more like
this actually. So a certain amount of
drive for muscularity probably improves
your relationship. And then after that
and then if you average this out, right?
So the overall trend of this line is
still going to be like this. So it's
still going to be an inverse
relationship, but I don't think it's a
straight line down. It's a random aside.
So a big part of it is control. Next
thing, so let's talk about
objectification. So this is the other
big thing that's happening right now. So
objectification theory posits that girls
and women are typically a culture to
internalize an observer's perspective as
a primary view of their physical selves.
Okay? What this means is that the way
that people see me is the way that I see
myself. This perspective on self can
lead to habitual body monitoring. Sound
familiar? Which in turn can increase
women's opportunities for shame and
anxiety, reduce opportunities for peak
motivational states and diminish
awareness of internal bodily states.
Okay, I want y'all to remember these
things. They will become relevant later.
So, what is self-objectification mean?
Okay, so it's basically I have an
opinion of who I am and when somebody
else sees me, this determines their
opinion of me. Let's say they think I'm
attractive and then this becomes this.
Does that make sense? So they see me,
they form an opinion. That opinion is
this opinion. So normally what we
consider healthy is that I have an
opinion of myself which is let's say
this and then someone else sees me and
they have an opinion of me and these two
things can be different. And then I can
even understand that they think of me in
this way. But I'm able to hold a
simultaneous opinion that is different.
And I'm not trying to be alpha beta
about this. I'm just using those as
representations. Okay. And this is the
interesting thing about objectification
theory is like this came out of like
feminist psychological research. This
idea what people started noticing in the
70s and ' 80s is like okay we're like we
have magazines, right? We have like lots
of you know media about women and women
were portrayed a certain way and then
people were objectifying women and then
women started objectifying themselves
and they started determining their
internal emotional state. internal
emotions and peak motivation started
being influenced by this. Okay, so let's
take a closer look at the the paper and
we'll see if we can map on. Right. The
common thread running through all forms
of sexual objectification is the
experience of being treated as a body or
collection of body farts valued
predominantly for its use to or
consumption by others. Did you guys see
this? Job applications at JP Morgan are
up 686,000%
this morning. Okay, so for those of you
that don't know, there was an alleged
scandal, we don't know what's true or
not, that there was a junior member at
JP Morgan, a junior banker who was um
basically repeatedly sexually assaulted
by a woman who made all kinds of
suggestive sexual remarks and uh there
was a allegation, right? And this is
like I I think this is a kind of it's
funny. I was on my friends and we were
actually laughing about it on Discord
and I was like this is not funny, right?
But we're we're sort of like it's it's
so weird how much we've been programmed
where it's like the things that this
senior female banker did to this junior
banker is something that men would love
to happen to them. They think that until
they're actually in that situation. It's
just a psych. It's not doesn't feel good
to be sexually predated. Even though men
will joke about it, they don't
understand. They have no frame of
reference. Right? Thankfully, most of us
don't have a frame of reference. We've
never been sexually assaulted. But the
idea of being forced to do all kinds of
things to your relatively attractive
female boss is something that men will
joke about like applications are up
700,000%. Right? So this is this is
what's so interesting I think and this
is what's so hard and fascinating to me
is that we live in a culture and this is
not just true of men, right? Where like
this is something that many men I've
worked with long for, right? So, this
paper is talking about how sexual
objectification leads to
self-objectification. But there are so
many men I've worked with who would want
nothing more than to be treated like a
piece of meat that is desired by women.
This is something I strive for. And it's
not just men, right? There's lots of
women who feel this way, too. I want to
be the object of someone's lust. I don't
care about them loving me as a person. I
want to be that which is hungered and
thirsted for. Now, the question is, why
on earth do they feel that way? And this
is where I'm going to go off the rails
again. So, when we grow up, we develop
templates of human interaction. And one
of the most common templates that a lot
of dudes develop is when they hit
puberty and they get really horny, there
is the object of their lust. And we can
say that this is not good and it's
dehumanizing and all this kind of stuff,
which is true. We'll get to this in more
detail when we get further into the
self-objectification. But then in this
template, there's the horny incel and
then there's the sexually available
person who gets their pick, right? I'm
looking up at this thing. So the
template that I have is that there's the
high sexual marketplace value and the
low sexual marketplace value. And so
what happens with human beings is when
they develop a template, they don't try
to scrap the template. They're actually
very resistant to scrap the template.
What they try to do is elevate
themselves to the high position. So this
is why people kids who are abused at
home become bullies because the template
that they learn is there's a strong
person, there's a weak person. The
strong person hits, the weak person
cries like a little [ __ ] and then when
I go to school, which one do I want to
be? They reclaim the power that they
lose in this relationship by inflicting
that pain on another person. This is how
the cycle of trauma perpetuates. And
when you have a lot of horny kids who
aren't able to get dates and aren't able
to get laid, they strive to be they
objectify this person, right? And then
they want to be objectified. I want
women to surround me and want this body.
Not necessarily who I am, but want this
body. And then there's really
fascinating science behind this. Okay.
Diminish awareness of internal bodily
states. This is another important
element. Okay. We'll get to that in a
second. So objectification theory posits
that the cultural millu of
objectification functions to socialize
girls and women now men at some level
treat themselves as objects to be looked
at and evaluated. Right? So does this
apply to looks maxers? Do looks maxers
treat themselves as objects to be looked
at and evaluated? Women now looks maxers
often adopt an observer's perspective on
their physical selves. And then there's
a certain sequence to this that we can
get into if you all want. begins with
compliance to minimally sufficient
external pressures. So what does this
mean? This means that the first stage so
stage number one diminished internal
signal. This is going to become
important too. Okay. So this starts with
external signals compliance with
external pressures. So everyone wants me
to be beautiful, right? So people want
me to be beautiful and then I'm going to
comply with that. I'm going to become
beautiful. Then this leads to
internalization and identification. So,
this isn't like really rocket science,
but basically people say I should look a
certain way. I start looking that
certain way and then I start to believe
that I'm that way. Okay? And then what
that ends up with is claiming ownership
of socialized values and attitudes. So,
we live in a world of dating apps where
like this is another huge selection
pressure. Why is this changing for men?
Part of the reason it's changing for men
is because men are objectified on a
level now, right? That like women were
objectified in in the 70s and 80s. Men
are judged based on their appearance. It
used to be that obesity didn't really
matter at your workplace. Now it matters
a lot. Now we have these billionaires
who were all ripped and injecting
peptides, right? Billionaires are no
longer fat slobs who eat like whatever
all day. They're people who have
nutritionists and personal trainers or
and have testosterone replacement
therapy and stuff like this. Right? So
the the male uber mench is a
self-actualized individual who is sexy,
attractive, the object of everybody's
lust and rich and in control of their
lives and then it gets incorporated into
their true sense of self. Okay, this is
where we end up. So now this goes back
to this thing where like now the way
that I think about myself is the way
that other people treat me. So, I think
this is just a cool capture this idea of
the phrase of the looking glass self.
So, this is a self that is determined by
what I see in the mirror. Okay. Pointing
out, however, that only one in 40,000
women actually meet the requirements of
a model's shape and size argues that the
fem the ideal female body myth is
unrealistic and vers virtually
impossible to attain. So, this is where
looks maxing comes in, right? So, back
in the 70s and 80s, the ideal image of a
woman was not attainable. And now we see
why some of this hard maxing stuff like
bone smashing and mewing and stuff like
that, right? Leg lengthening surgery,
cosmetic surgery has accelerated. We
have face contouring, we have makeup, we
have all these things that are
attainable. So back in the day, what
happened is the psychological process
for a woman who felt objectified was
like, okay, we got to do that internal
work because the external work isn't
possible. There's nothing that you can
do to become a supermodel. But in a
world of cosmetic surgery, steroid use,
testosterone
like h boine growth hormone injections,
leg lengthening surgery, we no longer
have to do the psychological work
because oh, there is a system. There's
almost a protocol with steps that you
can do, right? There are all of these
things that you can do to attain this
what used to be unattainable standard,
right? We can [ __ ] inject IGF
peptides, insulin derived growth or
insulin like growth factor, not derived,
insulin like IGF which boosts muscle
growth. Then there's a couple of other
things. So shame is a big emotion here,
right? A desire to hide to escape
painful gaze above others or to
disappear alongside feelings of
worthlessness or powerlessness. Right?
So I want to I'm going to ask you all a
question. What do you think is the
emotion of the person who is
experiencing this?
Uh
what
>> right? So we see like anger but like
right when someone looks like this and
then this happens right and then they
look like this like what do you think
when you have a looks maxing influencer
we don't know maybe he just was
responding to the fact that he was
assaulted and someone put hands on him.
So here's what I would really like to
happen. I want you all to finish
listening to this lecture and then I
want you all to go back and look at
clips of these people and look at how
important it is for them to appear a
certain way. Make sense? So it's there's
shame. Okay, there's a couple of other
elements. Okay, so this is another thing
that we find from self-objectification
theory is that when you objectify
yourself in this way, it is very
motivating. Okay, how is it motivating?
because now you're like working really
hard. So now we get to the BPD element.
Okay, so let's talk about BPD for a
second. So borderline personality
disorder is a personality disorder that
is characterized by a chronic sense of
emptiness and has an internal sense of
self that is unstable. Okay, so the two
things are chronic emptiness and a sense
of self that is unstable. I don't know
who I am. And what happens in BPD? Uh we
have a our second most successful video
on the channel on the YouTube channel is
me explaining BPD. I love working with
patients with BPD. A lot of people will
avoid them because supposed to be
difficult, but I have a lot of
compassion. They're just amazing
individuals who are just struggling
because they don't know who they are. So
then what happens with BPD is the way I
feel about myself is determined by the
way that people treat me. So being in a
relationship with someone with BPD is
very difficult because if I get angry at
you and you've got BPD, my anger towards
you is not me being angry. That becomes
your sense of selfworth. So if someone
is angry at me, me that means I am bad.
So basically the problem in BPD is this
step right here. This happens a lot
where if someone thinks about me in a
certain way then that's the way that I
feel about myself. Okay? So then people
with BPD have a challenge because the
way they feel about themselves is
determined by the way that people treat
them. So then what happens is people
with BPD become very manipulative
subconsciously for the most part. But
they do all kinds of things to
manipulate other people's reaction to
them. Don't ever get mad at me. Often
times the women that I work with will
almost like this is not really the right
word but it's the best word. They will
weaponize sex. they will discover. So,
people with a history of BPD have high
coorbidities of substance use, which
we'll get to in a second. And they also
tend to have a history of intense and
unstable relationships, engage in a lot
of high high-risisk sexual behavior.
Okay? And one of the reasons that they
engage in high-risisk sexual behavior is
because when a woman has BPD and she
engages in a sexual activity, it changes
the way that people react to her. It
changes the way that she's treated,
right? So when some when I have sex with
someone, it increases the likelihood
that they will like treat me well and
they will hold me and I'll feel good and
we'll feel good together and it'll be
amazing and it'll be like in the movies.
So they become dependent on other
people's evaluation to to determine
their own selfworth, right? And I think
what we see in a lot of looks maxers is
a piece of that. This is when we take
self-objectification and we kind of
elevate it a little bit more. We sort of
end up in this BPD kind of character
structure. I'm not saying looks maxers
all have BPD. I have no idea. There's a
whole set of diagnostic criteria. What
I'm saying is that there is a core
element of BPD that I think predisposes
people to look maxing. Because when I
don't feel good about who I am, when I
don't feel confident in who I am, when I
don't know who I am, and I start to
change all of my appearance because I
feel out of control and stuff like that,
and then then the most dangerous thing
for a looks maxer is for the world to
respond the way that they want because
now I know how to evoke this response.
Now I know how to get respect. Now I
know how to feel desired. Now I know how
to be the person that people lust after
instead of the one who is doing the
lusting and it feels amazing, right? So
the more dependent you are on that kind
of feedback from other people, the more
addictive this is going to be. And then
something cool happens for these people
because if we look at the stuff that
looks maxers do, there's really cool
research on something called behavioral
activation and depression. So when you
have someone who's suffering from a
major depressive episode, they don't
feel like doing anything. But the more
that you do, the better you start to
feel. See, a lot of people think you
cure the depression or treat the
depression, then you feel like doing
stuff and then you do more stuff. It's
actually the other way around. You force
yourself to do things and when you force
yourself to do things, your mood
actually elevates. You start to feel
more in control of your life, which by
the way is very attractive by the way.
So, number one thing, not number one
thing, but one of the top three things,
this is in the guide, too, that people
are attracted to, men and women, is a
sense of direction in someone's life,
being in control of your life. You don't
want to be in a relationship with
someone whose life is directionless in a
dumpster fire. You want to be in a
relationship with someone who knows
where they're going, right? It doesn't
have to be like a career. It can even be
like you want to be a stay-at-home mom,
stay at home dad, you're devoted to, you
know, being a homesteader. Like, that
works, too. This is the kind of stuff we
cover in the guide. But going back to
motivation, like it's so cool because if
you're someone who's like life is
falling apart and you don't know what
job you have and you don't know what's
happening to your degree and you you
don't know if you can find a job, but
you can start taking control and you
start doing stuff, right? You start
liking the way that you look in the
mirror. You start hitting the gym. Your
cortisol levels are better. These looks
maxers will will uh say, "Hey, you got
to get eight hours of sleep every night.
You got to reduce your cortisol levels.
Reduce your inflammatory burden. Start
eating healthy." and you get motivated
to do all of these good things. And when
you start doing these things, you start
to feel really motivated, too. This is
the self-help part of it. This can feel
really good. It can be really good and
be really healthy. And so that stuff I
think is fine, but then we also have the
sense of diminished internal signals,
right? And then we get to stories like
this one, which is really sad. I just
got home. That was brutal. All the
substances are just to cope. Trying to
feel neurotypical while being in public,
right? But obviously this is that isn't
a real solution. This is the sentence
that really like I I felt for this guy
trying to feel neurotypical in public,
right? What does that mean to y'all?
Like we don't know what it means to him
exactly, right? We don't we haven't
talked to him or anything like that. But
like this is the thing. It's like this
is an attempt to feel normal, right? And
this is the scary thing is like people
with BPD have a higher risk of of
substance use. And this is exactly why
because they don't like the way they
feel on the inside. The way that they
feel on the inside is determined by the
way that people treat them. When we're
talking about self-objectification
theory, what we know about these people
is that they have diminished internal
signals. So the reason that this is the
case is because this is blocked. Their
ability to determine the way they feel
about themselves is actually blocked.
And this internal feeling, being blind
to your internal state, is also a risk
factor for addiction. It's one of the
fundamental risk factors for addiction
is when you don't know who you are on
the inside. So, you can't self-regulate
internally naturally or you haven't
learned how to do it. There's a lot of
negative emotions, shame, anxiety,
judgment. You feel bad about yourself.
And so, there are two things that people
will do. They'll either change their
appearance to change the way that people
treat them or they will use drugs. But
the fundamental thing, this is what's
really kind of sad and I think this is
the basic work that I try to do with
people when I'm working with someone who
has this kind of structure is, you know,
if you're with body dysmorphia or
anorexia or whatever, right? Like it's
all about connecting with who you are
within. Because once your sense of
identity, once your sense of selfrespect
is independent of the way that people
treat you, then you're golden. You can
receive the judgment of others
acknowledging its real world impact
which is like okay if I like don't look
good then my chances of promotion are
lower that is factually true but there
are also many other things that I can do
to increase my likelihood of promotion
outside of my appearance if someone
doesn't like the way that I look that is
okay at the end of the day what is my
interaction with this person for the
rest of my life it's minimal people can
think I'm ugly and it's like not that
big of a deal I can go on and live my
life I can eat food that I enjoy. I can
lay out in the sun. I can go swimming in
the ocean. I can read a good book. I can
play a good video game. I can still
enjoy working out and feeling healthy,
right? Like all of those things are
fine. I can wear SPF skincare to try to
optimize my appearance some. Not against
the optimization of your appearance.
It's a fact that human beings like to
look good. Human beings like to be
desired. Nothing wrong with that. It's
just that when we're not careful about
these psychological substrates, that's
when we get into trouble. So there's
absolutely an element of of muscle
dysmorphia, body dysmorphia in looks
maxing. I think a lot of this stuff that
is uh you know about like facial
structure and stuff like that there is
like there is science that shows that a
certain facial structure is attractive
but there's also like just because
that's true doesn't mean that some
people don't overindex for the
importance of that. And that's what I
think is going on. So I think there's an
element of body dysmorphia. But the the
tricky thing about looks maxing is that
once again what we're kind of dealing
with is not body dysmorphia, not
borderline personality disorder, maybe
some amount of self-objectification
theory, some amount of pressure, like
almost like an eating disorder kind of
makeup of like feeling out of control
and wanting to be control. I think this
is what's kind of difficult and for me
personally like exciting is that we're
living in a world where like these
labels don't you can't apply those to
looks maxers. At least I don't think you
can. And it's not even everyone in it is
pathologic, right? This is where
self-help meets self harm. And what is
the pathology? It is a combination of
all of these things. And so what what
you know when I work with people like
this, it's not like I've worked
specifically with looks maxer
influencers by the way, which is an
important disclaimer, or looks maxers in
general. I've worked with lots of people
at body dysmorphia, lots of people who
are incelss, you know, are very
hyperconerned about their recessed chin
and all kinds of stuff. But I think
that's what's like so tricky about this.
This is not like one thing. This is like
a new thing. It's these fundamental
aspects of psychology that we learn from
like feminist psychology studies in the
70s and 80s that are now happening to
men. We are doing to men what we did to
women 40, 50 years ago, arguably longer.
That's when there was an awareness of
it. This idea of acceptance if you
weren't a supermodel, that you don't
have to have kids, that you don't have
to have a job, that you as a woman have
the right of self-determination and your
value as a woman is not determined by
how you look or what you do or whatever,
right? that self-determination is a
thing. And now this level of judgment we
are seeing because of the rise of social
media the the you know people are kind
of getting hammered by all of these
images and then this sense of being out
of control it's turning into this soup
that results in looks maxing
Everything.
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This video explores the phenomenon of 'looks-maxing'—the pursuit of physical perfection through extreme measures like surgery, peptides, and intense training—and its connection to deeper psychological patterns. Drawing on objectification theory and clinical insights from work with conditions like BPD and body dysmorphia, the speaker argues that 'looks-maxing' is often a maladaptive response to feeling out of control in an unpredictable world. He highlights how men are increasingly subjected to the same objectification pressures previously focused on women, leading to a cycle where external validation is used to regulate internal worth. The speaker emphasizes the importance of developing a sense of self independent of others' opinions while acknowledging that while appearance optimization can be healthy in moderation, the pathology arises when it becomes an addictive replacement for true self-determination.
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