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>> Oh man. What's happening, baby?

>> Everything. Nothing all at the same

time.

>> I was just explaining all the [ __ ]

that's on this desk. It's like everybody

likes to give me something that sits

here, which is kind of cool. Like uh Ed

Calderon gave me this. It's like a WD40

with a lighter attached to it. You can

[ __ ] blast people.

>> Is it like a self-defense?

>> I don't. He's always got these things

like cartel things.

>> That looks like the cartel 3D printed.

Yeah.

>> Yeah, I think it is.

>> Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.

>> Yeah. I mean, it's a little portable

flamethrower.

>> Holy [ __ ] I love

>> from two common items. And then um I

think it was Luke Caverns gave me this.

Is that who gave me this? the the

Mechac.

>> It's from the Mech.

>> Oh, is that what it is?

>> Yeah. And then, of course, my man John

Reeves has always giving me these

mammoth things. I got mammoth. Oh, this

is actually from Colossal, but he gave

me a a 1911 handle.

>> That's legit.

>> Yeah.

>> Even though, do you have any 1911s?

>> No.

>> Yeah,

>> I got 2011s.

>> Yeah, of course. It's a It's a huge

upgrade.

Yeah, but you know, I'm sure it'll

probably be able to fit. Like you could

bring it to a gunsmith. It could make it

fit.

>> Yeah. Well, you know what you could do?

You could have them make one for your

bow. So, you could put the the bone on

each side of your bow.

>> Oh, I have that. You have it?

>> Yeah. From uh Rattler Grips.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> This is another piece.

>> Shout out to Handsome Rob the Rattler

Grip Grips. He always hooks me up. Gives

me those uh keep hammering ones.

>> Yeah, those are cool.

>> Yeah. It feels better, too. Feels better

in the hand. It's interesting like Hoy

doesn't have a whole lot of option. Like

Ultra View doesn't make their their

handles for Hoy, but they make them for

uh Matthews cuz he he shoots Matthews.

>> But it's a nice handle upgrade. It

really does like the way it sits in your

hand. It really does feel like a little

better.

>> Are you still Are you still putting them

on your your Hoy for everyone? The ratt.

>> Yeah. Yeah. He just sent me some new

ones.

>> It feels better. And the bone there's

something about the bone. It's more

tactile in your hand than the plastic.

>> Well, I've been wrapping mine with that

camouflage athletic tape.

>> Oh, really?

>> Yeah.

>> BMAR sells stuff like that. He sells

specific bow grip, right?

>> It's got a little bit of tackiness to

it. But some people think you shouldn't

have that. They think your hand should

be so relaxed that it should be able to

slip around your hand. So, there's like

no torque whatsoever in your front hand.

>> I don't like that. I like to feel I like

to feel the the uh dexterity of it,

right? I like to have a little bit of

>> relief in the hand in the context of I

got to have some grippyiness to it. Just

like a

>> baseball bat or any of the things any

even all of the like Glocks and 2011s.

>> I'll still do an upgrade on the

stippling and create a little bit more

but

>> I've also got giant hands for a

>> a well I shouldn't be I shouldn't say

I'm small like I am two inches taller

than the average Asian woman. So I I

don't like to brag about it. I don't

want to come out with that right away.

It just might seem a little bit

egotistical.

>> Yeah. But if you um if you do anything,

I think it's just like whether it's with

archery, with anything with shooting,

it's you just it just has to register

with you. It's not it's not going to be

the same with everybody.

>> You I know dudes who just can't get used

to finger triggers and other some dudes

just love finger triggers and some guys

just have to shoot a hinge and some guys

just can't do it.

>> I I shoot them all, man.

>> Yeah. Like I just have so I got that

that dump bag now that I'll basically

I'll wear on the side and then I'll do

the the hinge roulette. So I just like

reach in and then I got to shoot a hinge

or I got to shoot this and the only way

that's that you don't

>> or the the mixup part. You've got to

shoot the wrist wrap, right? You have to

put that on. So you can't just do

shooter roulette with all of that.

>> But that's the the wrist straps a little

bit more involved. But I love having

I've been using the wise guy. I've been

ever since our last hunt, I've been only

using the wise guy

>> and I'm used to it now. It took it took

a while. I was like hammering the

trigger for a little bit. Like after the

thing is it's like with archery once

your form breaks down and then you try

to compensate cuz you're tired. Like I

think I should just limit myself to one

hour and after one hour just stop.

>> So is that what you're doing every day

is basically an hour?

>> Yeah.

>> A little bit more, a little little.

>> Yeah. But it's when it's more it's when

things go sideways. Like I'll give

myself like a few minutes break to let

my arm relax and then I just I'm just

it's too much compensating because my

arm's tired and not enough. Especially

because the bow's 84. Now I got the new

one that's 90 lbs.

>> Is that what you're shooting every day?

>> Yeah.

>> You're shooting 90 lb every 84 every

day.

>> Yeah. I haven't I haven't set up the 90

yet. It's still got archery country.

>> And then do you are you going out to 100

plus every day too or you stick 85? 85

is my standard in my backyard. As long

as there's no no one wandering around

>> when people are wandering around, I tend

to I got, you know, like this

landscapers. I I don't do the long bomb.

>> I I've got my uh my wife is re redoing

this uh little garden house in the back

so she won't let me shoot at it anymore

because she's afraid I'm going to put an

arrow through her little hut that she's

making. She's she's actually doing all

the work, too. She's got like a tool

belt on and she's out there hammering

away.

and everything. She's doing all the

work.

>> Wow.

>> So, she's like, "You can no longer use

this as your back stop." Cuz it was just

a pile of [ __ ] that I could basically

shoot arrows.

>> Oh, that's a bad trade.

>> That's a super bad trade.

>> Yeah. I I need a back stop. You got to

[ __ ] off. Like, we were talking about

like musthaves for backyards. Like, I

got to I'm I'm not living in a house

where I can't shoot at least 50 yards.

>> No.

>> I go out in the backyard. I get my

rangefinder. I bring a rangefinder when

I look at houses. No [ __ ]

>> Are you serious?

>> 100%. I've been doing it for the last

like six, seven years. Before I bought

this house in Well, the b when I bought

the house in Austin, it was a big yard.

I'm like, we're good. I just had to find

a spot. I was like, this is at least 100

yards from here to here.

>> Have you ever Have you ever punched

punched the trigger and put one out in

the the river? I I guess you shouldn't

tell me.

>> No, I never shoot towards the river

because kayakers, you never know when

some cuz like the kayakers, they like to

go like real close to the shore

>> and it's like if you hear ah Yeah, dude.

[ __ ] That would suck. Oh my god. I'd be

in such deep [ __ ]

>> I would never do it. I I wouldn't such

>> Yeah.

>> deep [ __ ]

>> Deepest of deep [ __ ] An [ __ ] like me

who's always promoting archery. I I

shoot a kayaker with a field tip right

through the [ __ ] forehead.

>> You see some poor lady

>> like

a unicorn

>> running through running off the river.

>> Oh god. Oh my god. But I very rarely I

mean if I'm shooting broadheads I really

know where I'm going. I don't I don't

[ __ ] around.

>> But with field tips I'll I'll launch

some bombs but it's never in an area

where there's anything behind me.

>> No,

>> I don't. It's just too risky.

>> I had So I had an archery little archery

range in the back of my Salt Lake City

building

>> and every like and I used to let

everybody use it in the company and then

after you've worked for the company for

a while you'd get your choice. you get

like a staccato or a rifle or a bow and

then we're doing we still do, right? We

still do a lot of veteran adaptive

athlete shoots and the tactical or

tactical games and the total archery

challenges. So I've given away 100 bows

probably the company.

>> Do you let them brand and the whole

deal?

>> No, no, no. We partner We partnered with

Hoy on the last batch and then we

partnered with PSC. We partnered with

kind of Oh, nice.

>> anybody that wants to like

>> go in 50/50 on us, right? And um

>> but then we'll make them black rifle

custom, right? So it's cool camouflage,

a little branding on it.

>> But here's the downside to that is when

you got a bunch of people shooting in

the back and I had a storage facility in

the back. There were always arrows in

the in this like storage. And so finally

my my uh our general counsel came to me.

He's like, "No more. You got to stop.

You can't shoot any more arrows." So, a

bandit for everybody except for me that

me, Logan, you know, Matt, basically the

people that could either absorb the

legal fees or at least like explain it

away.

>> Well, the thing about archery is it's

such a it's it's a skill that 100%

degrades.

>> Yeah.

>> Like, you have to stay on it and you

just can't trust that everyone's staying

on it. No, it's it's even hard for me if

I take three weeks off or

>> I was I was having that um a little bit

of tenonitis in my left elbow. So, I

took like a month off after running

season and like you put it back in your

hand and it feels almost like a foreign

object. I know

>> it feels horrible. It's it's just gross

until you have

>> at least three or four days of shooting

consistently back into the groove. You

can't put the arrow where you want it.

It's just three weeks off.

>> And it feels to me like the more

consistent I am in offseason, like the

entire year,

>> that's the those are the years that I

where I'm really shooting my best. You

can't just get back on the bow like a

month before you have to go hunt. You

can't do it.

>> I can't. I know guys that can. Guys that

I grew up with that have been shooting

since, you know, they were nine. That's

>> right. But they're really good shots.

Imagine how good they would be if they

did it all the time.

>> Like a guy like Cam, like he's not

taking any time off. Like he's shooting

every day.

>> But that's part he he he takes pleasure

in the pain, too. He doesn't take time

off because he's that would be relaxing.

>> Yeah, it'd be relaxing. Like imagine

just just imagine that like Cam Haynes

on vacation. His feet up, you know,

drinking on the beach. Is that even like

a No,

>> that's not even a thing.

>> I've gone on vacation with him.

>> Have you really?

>> Yeah. But when we went vacationing in

Lai where we could bow hunt

>> so we would bow hunt at least once a day

cuz Lai you know you've been you've been

it's cra it's one of the craziest places

on earth. Great.

>> For people that don't know there's 3,000

people and 30,000 deer.

>> Yeah.

>> And they were given uh by uh King Kameha

to King Kamehameha by the um whoever the

head dude was in India. He's like gave

him a gift of access to

>> Is that where they came from? Mhm.

>> I didn't realize that that was the

actual timeline. I didn't realize that.

>> Yeah. And they're everywhere. They tried

they tried to reintroduce them, tried to

introduce them to the big island. Like I

know Shane Dorian was all pumped about

it, but then they eradicated them.

People killed them. They said they were

invasive. But

>> I think they need to be everywhere they

can be.

>> They're delicious.

>> They're the delicious. They're the most

delicious

>> meat of the deer.

>> Of course, next to elk. It's like it's

for me it's elk and then axes. But axes

are the most challenging to hunt.

They're the fastest things I've ever

seen in my life.

>> They move so fast it doesn't even make

sense. It's like, how are you doing

that? You could dodge an arrow from 30

yards away and the arrow's not even

close to them when it when it gets

there.

>> I had a female bedded at 30 and she

jumped the string on her bed at 30

yards. That that was my first shot and I

realized, holy [ __ ]

>> Yeah, they're different, man.

>> I've got to up my game.

>> Well, it's like they evolved with

tigers.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Yeah, that's the thing. It's like you

got to be able to go. You want to

>> Can you imagine how tough you would be

if you involved with tigers?

>> That would be sick.

>> Well, that's the problem with America,

period. It's like there's not enough

There's too many people running around

with zero physical challenges. And

they're so soft. Like there's a giant

percentage of our population that is so

soft. And if like if there was like a if

the world went nuclear, we lost

everything and then it was like

hand-tohand battles, every country could

invade America if we ran out of bullets.

Once we run out of bullets, every

country can [ __ ] us up.

>> Yeah. Like you can walk around I think

Well, that's you know with with coffee,

right? The best coffee shops are like

there's so much stuff on Instagram. It's

so funny cuz you walk into a coffee shop

and if you see the craziest looking

freak, it's going to have the best

coffee. Yeah. Let us think about

baristas.

>> They're so leftwing weirdo [ __ ] lip

rings.

>> Oh yeah. How many nose rings do you

have? How like how many colors do you

have in your hair? And how many pronouns

do you have? Because that's like you're

going to make the greatest espresso I've

ever had. And that's the joke, right?

Cuz I'll go cruise around like in Austin

for the last couple weeks.

>> Yeah. You see a dude who's jacked with a

hand tattoo, he's going to make you a

[ __ ] coffee. It's like I can make

you pour over. I mean, I can just pour

it over, you know, like what?

>> He'll make you some cowboy coffee. He's

got a [ __ ] one of them tin pots that

you put on the fire.

>> Take his sock off or something. Like, I

I'm good. I'm all set, man. I'm all set.

>> Yeah. What is it about baristas like how

did that become such a leftwing safe

place?

>> Uh, you know, I don't know. I think it I

think the origin of it comes from San

Francisco, Seattle, right? all the uh

we'll say the left wing, left coast, all

of the wokas. Yeah. Because that also

>> drove most of what I would say is the

third and fourth wave because there's

one, two, three, four basic waves in

coffee. The four third and fourth wave

are the most recent. Fourth wave would

be considered single origin, very

lightly roasted coffees. And you've been

to these coffee shops. You know what

they look like. Mhm. It takes you 15

minutes to go get a cup of coffee. They

typically won't even talk to you. They

look down at the computer screen, but

it's going to be decent cop, right? So,

if you go first wave, which is going to

be like folders, Maxwell House, that's

like been around for 100 years. That's a

commodity coffee. It's going to have

Robusta. It's going to be darker

roasted. That's going to be first wave.

And then, uh, second wave would be

experiential. So it' be more like

Starbucks kind of second wave would be

experiential dark and then third wave

would be more artisan microlot single

origin and then fourth wave is kind of a

mix of the the best in third wave that

really activates your senses in the

sense of like now they're doing

anorobics so they're using things from

like wine and beer and they're

developing all these different profiles

but that artisan craft the genesis in

like San Francisco and Seattle from

Third Wave. They took on identity polic

politics and then drove it through the

trade. It's pretty impressive. It's so

It's so weird because if you go

anywhere,

>> you can get amazing cups of coffee.

You're just going to like wade through

the wokeism to go get it.

>> Yeah.

>> I can't go there.

>> No.

>> I was at a a Starbucks the other day and

two lesbians walked in. They saw me and

they left.

>> What?

That's how bad it They said, "We can't

we can't do this."

>> And they looked in in my face and they

said, "We can't do this." And they left.

I was like,

>> I'm a big fan.

>> Yeah.

>> Big fan of your work.

>> Big fan of your work.

>> I had a cup of coffee from Starbucks,

which I rarely go into, but I was with

my family. And it was so bad. A cup of

black coffee. It's all I drink. I don't

put anything in it. I was like, "This is

like not drinkable. It tastes like

shit." which is like everybody throws a

bunch of cream in there and a bunch of

sugar in there and you get your caffeine

and it tastes like what you like,

>> but when if you just try to just drink

coffee at Starbucks, it is such a bad

product. And that's that doesn't have to

be like that.

>> Well, it's part of the problem is is

overroasted because they know it's going

to have cream and sugar in it. And

>> but why overroast it then? because you

can make a consistent profile and it's

just consistently very dark and

extremely acidic basically and that

becomes the consistency in the product.

>> Do you think people have this thing in

their head that the darker the coffee is

the stronger it is?

>> Yeah, of course that's one of the huge

misconceptions right. So like let's just

bucket the misconceptions in here which

is you know coffee is not a bean it's a

fruit so it's a cherry and then you

roast the pit. So the second one would

probably be um the darker you roast

something the more caffeine it's going

to have which is absolutely not the

case. It's completely opposite because

you got two genetic strains. You've got

Robusta and Arabica. Robusta is smaller

bean. It's got more caffeine. It's also

more bitter. Arabica probably

constitutes probably 60 to 70% of the

world's coffee but it's more flavor.

It's got less uh caffeine and it's less

acidic in general. And then when you

overroast it, you can kind of combine

multiple lots, multiple variants of

Arabica.

>> And then you can consistent, you can

make this consistent profile.

>> So it consistently sucks.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're going to

put cream and sugar in it,

>> Yeah. Nobody cares because they're like,

"I just need something that's going to

serve as a caffeine

uh vehicle for my cream and sugar."

>> I know, but wouldn't that be okay if you

just had good coffee and did that and

didn't burn it?

>> Well, I do. I I think that's where third

third wave and fourth wave, it's more

directly related to the quality of the

coffee. It's no cream, no sugar, and

it's more first and second wave. It's

cream and sugar cuz you're you're going

to have to cover up the inconsistencies.

>> Well, some people just like it anyway

because what they're getting is a treat.

It's not they're not thinking of as like

I'm drinking coffee. Like they're

getting a treat,

>> right?

>> Like if you have order a Frappuccino,

>> it's a milkshake.

>> It's a milkshake.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. There's tons of sugar, tons of

caffeine, too. You're like sitting in

your cubicle.

>> You got like 100 gram of sugar, 200

milligrams of caffeine. You're like

you're you're skyrocketing with just

energy until you crash and then you need

another one in the afternoon.

>> Yeah. And then you're just doing that

all day and frying your central nervous

system and then when you get out of work

you just die. You just go home and

>> go home and melt on the couch and watch

some sports, man.

>> Yeah. Your insulin's all [ __ ] up.

You're falling asleep.

>> The coffee the coffee nerd conversations

just put half the [ __ ] audience to

sleep, too.

>> I don't care.

I don't care.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it's so funny, man. I'll

start talking about it. I'm like, h I

should not cuz I was a comms guy

back in in my previous profession, my

previous life. And it's so funny because

when you talk about communications and

just technology in general, and you

start analyzing like, you know,

frequencies and and uh spectrum

analyzers or whatever, whatever you want

to talk about, people's eyes would just

glaze over in the team room.

>> And I'd be like, "All right, well, you

guys want to go blow some [ __ ] up?" like

why don't we shift the topic because you

guys don't want to talk about this. I

know you don't want to hear about it. So

in cross training it's just

>> you try to keep people awake basically.

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Well, there's a lot of people that have

a hard time focusing on something that

isn't exciting.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> For whatever reason, even if it's like

important technical details that'll help

you do things that are exciting, you

know, it's it's the delayed

gratification, right? They're the same

type of people that don't like to do

cold plunges or don't like to do certain

things that like you're not going to

feel an immediate benefit. It's going to

suck while you're doing it, so you put

it off. Like you got to you've got to

have a mindset that there's some things

that suck that will make the things that

are exciting way better.

>> Yeah.

>> Like for comics, it's writing. Like

sitting down and writing, you know, I

always because a lot of comics don't

want to write. They just want to come

out with ideas through the day and then

work them out on stage. I'm like that is

great. You can do that, but you should

also write because the ideas that come

to you while you're writing, they won't

come any other way. And those are like

little gifts from the universe. And you,

the only way you get them is you got to

sit down with a [ __ ] pad of paper or

a computer in front of you and come up

with them. You got to sit down and start

working and let the mind just

>> just slowly but surely pop them out.

>> How how often do you do that?

>> At least four days a week

>> for an hour or two hours.

>> Yeah. Yeah. at least at least an hour. I

try to write a thousand words. So, it

might be an hour, it might be two hours,

and then out of those thousand words, I

might get a paragraph. Like, there it

is. That's what I was looking for.

You're basically looking for arrowheads

in a field.

>> You know, you're picking up a giant

clump of dirt and you're shaking it out

and washing it over and ah, got one.

>> So, do you try that out on anybody

before you actually No, you just like,

okay, this is

>> I'm pretty sure I got something. When I

got something, I'm pretty sure I got it.

But I don't know what it's going to be

until the audience tells me

>> like

>> when you have your own club, so you can

just try helps. That helps a lot.

>> You just like drive in. Matt's

Wednesday. Let me try.

>> Even when I didn't, I would go to the

store. I would go to the like if I have

a bit and it's exciting. Like, oh, I

wrote something that's good. I would go

to the improv, then I would go to the

store and maybe I go to the ice house. I

bang out a few sets at least two in a

night some. You know, you could travel

around. Like LA was really good for

that. Austin's amazing for that. There's

seven clubs on my street now.

>> What?

>> Oh, yeah. Between my street and the

neighboring streets. So, you got us and

then right down the street is the Sunset

Room, which uh Redban owns, and then

right up across from that, you got Creek

in the Cave, which is awesome. And then

you got the Vulcan, which is right down

the street. And there's a bunch of other

small rooms. There's the Black Rabbit.

There's all these rooms that have comedy

at least three or four nights a week.

>> So, if you're like a guy or a girl

coming up right now in Austin, you could

really work. You could work. And they're

all paying. So you're, you know, you're

collecting 50 bucks here. My club pays

more. My club plays the most. But all

these different places, they pay, you

know, like actual money for you to do a

set. At the end of the night, you got a

few hundred bucks.

>> You can get something to eat. Like

there's all these comics that don't have

to do the road now, right?

>> So like they used to just have to do the

road to pay their rent and for food. You

don't have to do that anymore. You could

like stay in town and really build up

material and then go out on the road.

>> Is is the material going to shift? I

know it's like regionally you've got to

have your I'm not saying like left or

right. I'm just saying does the material

have to shift based on where you're at.

So if you're in LA,

>> is the crowd a little bit different? The

people are going to be more accepting,

less accepting, expect something a

little bit different.

>> Think of that. You can't

>> you just like here's the joke. Let me

run it. Well, the good thing is if

they're not accepting of an idea, maybe

you should reexamine that idea and maybe

figure out like why am I maybe I should

figure out a better way to make this

idea acceptable,

>> you know? Because there's ideas where

I'll start it off and it just like this

this ain't going anywhere. And then I'm

like, there's got to be an angle in

here. And then I'll find a whole another

angle. I'm like, haha, now I have it.

And then I have to find an angle. Like

what if I was a woman and I was watching

this and I'm looking at this [ __ ]

meathead on stage and I'm like okay like

I got to figure out a way to get them to

understand that just cuz I look like

this doesn't mean I'm a bad guy. Like

like let me like work this into your

head first and then explain it from my

perspective.

>> It's funny cuz I look like this it

doesn't mean I'm a bad guy.

>> It's an automatic assumption. Yeah. You

know, I mean, it's an untold prejudice

that like men with muscles in particular

are [ __ ] right?

>> Like instantly.

>> Yeah. You're you've got a you've got a

very definitive look and then as soon as

you open your mouth, they're assuming

that you're going to be just the

>> Yeah.

>> complete [ __ ]

>> right? A mean person, you know, covered

in tattoos.

>> Cage fighting commentary. I I know that

you can craft a joke because you've been

doing this for forever, but is there a

certain amount of pleasure that you get

now from bombing sometimes?

>> Smoking in

>> terrible.

>> Really?

>> I always say bombing on stage like

sucking a thousand dicks in front of

your mother. But the difference is like

there's probably a guy out there that

likes sucking a thousand dicks as far as

you made me do this, Mom. Come on, mom.

99.

There's a guy out there that would like

take some I mean there's people are into

[ __ ] porn and all kinds of nuts things.

You

>> you're you're drawing the same parallel

to like bombing and people are just [ __ ]

porn.

>> Yeah. Yeah. If you like bombing you

you're into people [ __ ] in your

mouth like

>> it's not fun. You don't want people to

have a bad time. They're there to have

fun. These people work. They're working

all day. They're [ __ ] tired. You want

them to have a good ass time. And the

only way for them to have a good ass

time is for you to do your job,

>> right?

>> You know, but it's uh it has to

sometimes not work well. And there's

like this moment when I'm about to do a

new bit. I'm like, "God, I don't even

want to do this. I don't know where this

goes." But I have to. You got to trot it

out there and and hope that you could

find an angle.

>> So, you don't try those on on your uh

like with your wife or

>> she the worst. She'd be the worst. She

tear you down.

>> She would just stare at me like, "What?

What is wrong with you?

>> It's like she and I have a very good

balance cuz she's so different than me.

She's so but has a lot of the same

values as me,

>> you know, like disciplined and she's

very smart and she's interested in

things, but she we're we're very

different.

>> Well, it's so funny because my wife and

I will walk around, right? And I'm a

very amateur comedian to surround my

friends. I try to I try really hard,

right? I'm not even close. I'm just

like, you know, I specialize in stupid

[ __ ] that I say. Basically, that's where

I'm going with this.

>> And she when I get her to laugh, that's

like that means way more to me than than

like But my friends, sure, I can make

them laugh. Like I can make my employees

laugh. I kind of pay them to, you know,

but

>> like when my wife laughs, that means

it's [ __ ] funny. Like it means it

means something, right? It's like it's

legit. She's like a oneperson crowd,

right? So we were walking around. I was

talking about um have you seen that

Bertr Cryer Freebert? Have you seen his

new series?

>> I've only seen trailers, but everybody

that saw it loves it.

>> It's so it's it's really funny, man.

Like, and so I I was like, "We should

watch this. You should check it out."

You should watch like 5 minutes. She's

like, "This is such a dude show. [ __ ]

you. I'm never watching this."

But it's the same. It's like what I want

to watch and I think is funny.

>> She's like, "Absolutely not." But then

she's wants to watch some like true

crime thing around it. You know, a dude

that killed his wife. And I'm like,

>> they love

>> they love it. Why do they love that?

>> It's so weird.

>> It's like genetic that they love it cuz

my kids love those shows.

>> They love serial killer expose shows and

all these true crimes.

>> And I don't like any of that. I was

talking to my daughter about it and she

said because girls don't do things like

this. So, we kind of want to see like

what's going on in a man's mind that

makes him it's a such a mystery. You

know what I'm saying? Like it's such a

mystery. Like most men can imagine a

scenario where there's a bunch of people

that did some horrible [ __ ] in a room

and you just go in there and [ __ ]

kill all of them. Most men, most men can

say, "Oh, yeah, there's a place. There's

a place." Like, if someone did something

and I knew they did something and

they're in that room and they need to

go, they need to go. Most women can't

think like that. They don't they don't

think like that. It's not inside their

head. And then there's the darkness of

it. Like, these aren't men that are

doing something to someone who deserves

it. They're just doing it to vulnerable

people. They're just evil creatures who

just want to go out and hunt vulnerable

people. And I think women want to know

that there are men like that out there

that are so different than them so they

can put it in their head like, "Okay,

serial killers are real, right?

>> Like these true crime shows have showed

me this and I want to know like what to

look for,

>> right?

>> That's what I think."

>> Whereas, have you ever spent a second of

your life in fear or fearing a serial

killer?

>> Not really.

>> No. No.

>> It's not a realistic fear. But if I was

at a truck stop and there was some

[ __ ] shady dude that came into the

bathroom after me and he was like

waiting outside and it didn't look like

you needed to use the bathroom, I'd be

100% on guard.

>> Like there's people that will just

randomly kill people just for a thrill

and get away with it. And I think

there's way more of them getting away

with it than they'd like us to know.

Like here's a here's a good example

in Austin.

What is the actual number of people who

have uh bodies that have been found in

lady? Put put this into our wonderful

sponsor perplexity before it becomes the

digital god that takes over the

universe. This AI um what are the

numbers of people that uh have been

found drowned in Ladybird Lake over the

last 3 years? It's something crazy.

>> Is it really?

>> Yeah, it's like 30.

>> I thought this was just a funny joke for

Tony to talk about the landing and the

No, no, no. It's real.

>> It's real. So, the cops don't want to

say it's a serial killer. They think

there's it's cuz it's over by Rainy

Street. A lot of people are partying,

but there's

>> the bodies keep piling up. 38.

>> What?

>> And they they want to say it's not a

serial killer.

>> 2022

data showing at least 38 bodies found in

or around Ladybird Lake.

um separate map based analysis of uh

Ladybird Lake deaths downtown area

reports. Four deaths in 2022, five in

2023, five in 2024, two in 2025.

The So this is

downtown area. These map numbers focus

on a specific stretch of the lake while

the 38 body figures covers all bodies

found in or around the lake in that

period.

>> These might be right near that bar area

on Rainy Street.

>> Right. Right on Rainy Street. 38

>> or other parts of the lake.

>> So, they're basically saying

these guys get drunk

>> and they end up passing out in the

water.

>> I mean, all you would have to do is get

someone drunk enough where you could

hold them under water.

>> Yeah.

>> It's not I mean, if you were a guy who

wasn't drinking or you had a really good

tolerance or you're a big person,

>> no evidence of serial murderer says the

patterns match typical accidental

drowning risks. young adult men, night

life, easy water access, or

some guy who's drowning gay guys.

>> Could be.

>> There's a lot of them are gay. Like a

giant percentage of these guys are gay.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz it's near a gay

area. That's the gay Rainy Street is

like the party area where there's a lot

of gay bars.

>> Got it.

>> That's why it's such a funny joke for

Tony.

>> Yeah. Well, it's it's a weird thing,

man. It's a weird thing because at what

point in time does someone have to get

caught before they say, "Oh, Jesus,

these these weren't just a coincidence.

Someone was drowning people." Cuz I

don't think it was a common thing. I

think like, you know, you maybe get one

a year, some [ __ ] drunk hops off a

boat and doesn't know what he's doing

and drowns. That does happen. But this

is not that. This is way more. 38 bodies

in a few years is kind of kooky.

>> Well, and how many of those, if you

think about it, right? How many serial

killers are out there? Cuz the FBI

obviously they've done the analysis on

it. There's probably like a 100, 200,

300

>> active serial killers.

>> Ask any point in time.

>> Always. There's always Yeah, always has

been.

>> And it most of them Well, I'll say,

"Yeah, I wanted to get caught." Or,

"Yeah, it took you long enough." Like I

was I was getting sloppy, right? My

murder lust took over.

>> There was 200 since 2004.

>> Oh my gosh.

>> What?

Oh my god. Autopsy report found alcohol

present in a large share of the cases,

sometimes at levels above the legal

driving limit, which is not much by the

way. The legal driving limit is like two

drinks. And police specifically desri

describe most rainy street area

drownings as alcohol or drugrelated.

>> Also, I've heard people getting, you

know, dosed. They get like roofied and

whatnot and they're like I've heard a

lot too many cases. Never in a city have

I lived I've heard that many people

saying they've been roofied. Yeah. No, I

I think it's I don't think it's uh

specific to here. I think it's

everywhere. It's GHB I think is a lot of

it. People are dosing people up with

GHB. That's a big one.

>> Who's the How many serial killers are

there quit? Not

>> Yeah. How many active serial killers do

they estimate

>> are in in America right now?

>> Let's guess. Let me say 10.

>> You think 10?

>> Yeah,

>> I think 100.

>> Whoa.

>> Yeah, I'm going 100. This is like a

Wheel of Fortune type scenario. Yeah,

man. Holy [ __ ] 100's nuts. If it's 100,

>> I think it's 100.

>> That's crazy.

>> 300.

>> Interesting,

>> huh?

>> 25 to 50 at any given time.

>> Wow.

>> Range reflects killers who have

committed at least two murders with a

cooling off period and are still

operating undetected. I like the cooling

off period. Maybe I need to take a

break. scrubbing the [ __ ] blood out

of the inside of your fingernails.

>> Serial killings make up less than 1% of

US homicides overall. Numbers peaked at

around 300 in the 1970s and 1980s. There

was 300 active serial killers in the 70s

and the 80s.

>> I bet that was because that was when

there was like Son of Sam, you know,

>> was it trendy?

>> Yeah.

>> I think it was probably a lot of bored

dudes just didn't like working in an

office. It's

>> like Ted Bundy and Son of Sam. All those

guys were like the green

>> all over the news. All over the news.

Yeah, it was huge.

>> Why are there fewer serial killers now

than there used to be?

>> What was the answer?

>> That's probably just cuz it's easier to

get caught now. People probably more

afraid to try.

>> Well, yeah. Cuz you think about all the

technology and the surveillance like you

get rolled up.

>> Yeah. You get a

>> I think the creepiest one was that dude

who studied um serial killers in college

and then went and killed those girls at

that dorm house.

You never you know that story? What was

that in Seattle? I think Idaho. Yeah, it

was Ted Bundy, right?

>> No, no, no. Recent

recent. Yeah. Um he knew the people that

lived there. Uh he studied What did he

study exactly in college? Like he was

studying it like he was trying to learn

how to not get caught.

>> Oh

>> yeah. This guy, this [ __ ] creep.

>> He horrific new details about the final

moments of the four University of Idaho

stabbing victims.

>> Oh gosh. So that's where I went to

school. That's University of Idaho.

>> He stabbed the four victims at least 150

times in total.

>> I didn't realize that was like the case

from Moscow.

>> Yeah. Jesus Christ.

>> Yeah.

>> This sick [ __ ] So this guy, he was

studying it in college. So I forget what

criminal justice uh

>> say it.

>> Let's see if uh we can find out. But it

was very clear that he had been planning

this a long time. And there was also a

possible connection to him and some

murders from the Pacific Northwest that

they he knew the people the people died

in a kind of a similar way. He might

have gotten away with it up there,

right?

>> So he tried it up there and then went to

Idaho.

>> PhD criminology student.

>> Oh my gosh.

>> Well, that makes sense.

>> It does. Right.

>> So he's he's educating himself on how to

get away with it.

>> He was that guy that if uh you had your

comm's class, he'd be sitting there like

this.

He's like way into it.

>> Yeah. Way into it. Way into Okay. Yeah.

>> Yeah. He wanted to know all the details.

>> The Pacific Northwest is like that's a

spot. These guys love it up there. I

don't know if it's like the rain, you

know, like

>> Well, we had a lady that was connecting

it. She came on the podcast and she was

connecting a bunch of serial killers

from a very specific area that did a lot

of It was mining, right? Wasn't it?

Mining and the the the uh industrial

pollution. Oh, so it's like increased

the increased lead or something, right?

In the water or something.

>> What was the the the the processing of

it

>> like

>> Oh, the

>> what are those when they're burning it?

Yeah.

>> What's that called?

>> Leading is what this

>> Yeah, it was lead, but it was other

stuff. It was other stuff like there's

arsenic in it and there's a lot of But

what am I looking for? Not what is it?

What? Why? Why can't I come up with that

term? The plants where they burn all the

[ __ ]

power plants. What What's the term? God

damn it.

>> Caroline Frasier is her name, though.

>> I don't know. What's her name?

>> Caroline Frasier.

>> Yeah.

>> Maybe Paul would know if he got stam on

here and she could talk about he could

talk about the mushroom or the fungi in

the Pacific Northwest. Maybe it has

something to do with it.

>> I don't think so. I think that that'll

probably stop him from doing it. But her

take was that there was all these

places. What am I? What is the term I'm

looking for where they incinerate [ __ ]

like a power plant, like a coal plant?

There's a term. I can't remember what it

is.

>> Anyway, um they're releasing an

incredible amount of toxins in the

atmosphere and a lot of the [ __ ] is

coming down in rain. It's getting in the

ground. All the ground around there is

all polluted. Everything's polluted. And

so what her take is that all these

people have suffered chemical pollution.

And a lot of that chemical pollution

leads to all sorts of weird

psychological disorders and psychosis

and all kinds of [ __ ] depending upon the

levels of exposure.

>> So this is why you have an increased

serial killers in the Pacific Northwest.

This is what you're saying.

>> Yeah, there was a bunch of power plants

up there.

>> Interesting.

>> Coal plants and smelting and you know

just a lot of mining.

>> There's a lot of mineralrich resources

up there and

>> so I should be concerned because I spent

most of my life up there. Well, half of

it at least. Yeah,

>> it depends. I think now they've cleaned

it up though. Like she was connecting it

to a long time ago, but there's areas

back there where she was saying that

they they do an analysis of the soil and

it's just completely [ __ ]

>> How long's it been since you've done

like Seattle?

>> Oh, I haven't been back in a while.

>> Like

>> I did the Tacoma Dome with Dave

Chappelle. We did that right before the

pandemic popped.

>> Oh, okay.

>> And I really haven't been back. It's

just like once that whole Chaz thing

went down and they locked off the block

and the mayor said maybe it's the summer

of love or or or maybe you've got some

[ __ ] crazy people that you've

empowered to take over a giant swath of

your city and you're cool with it and

you're the [ __ ] mayor. And by the

way, she is an upgrade compared to their

current mayor. The current mayor is the

that choice is insane. Woman who's never

held a real job. She's been living with

her parents. She's 40. They pay her

bills. She's a socialist. She rides a

bike. She doesn't even own a car. And

now she's in charge of what? Seven

billion dollar budget. Like what is

>> that? Makes sense.

>> Yeah.

>> I Two thumbs up Seattle.

Congratulations. You've done a great

job.

>> I don't know where those places go.

Those places that have gone like full

into wokeville. Like a buddy of mine

just went to Portland and he was like,

"Bro, it's bananas. It's like a complete

mental asylum like spilled out onto the

streets." Not just the campers, not just

the open air drug users everywhere

because for a long time they

decriminalized everything in Portland.

So everybody ramped it up a notch and

moved to Portland because that was a

place where you could do drugs and not

worry about anything. But he he was like

all the regular people are cracked.

>> The place like spending as much time as

I have in Seattle, which I used to live

there. I loved that city. Late 90s,

loved it.

>> Oh, it was great. It was one of my

favorite places to live.

>> Such a cool spot.

>> Cool people. And then you saw this flip

and it was right around 2010 is when

things really flipped over and that to

your point they had your car was your

doicile so you couldn't get a parking

ticket so you could basically live in

front of somebody's house in a parking

spot and they couldn't write a parking

ticket

>> that started in 2010

>> give it give or take a couple years and

so I went back to my my I had a house up

there for a while and the the week the

day I decided that I was going to sell

this place like we fly up there. I've

got my daughter, she's like a year old.

My wife and I are walking down the

street and this is a part of the city.

It's called Ballard, which is beautiful

part of the city. Tons of like old bars.

Awesome place back late 90s, early 2000.

But then there was a camper in front of

my condo and then there was a naked man

with a tennis racket with his

my daughter's a year old. his dick's

flying around and my my my

one-year-old's like I'm holding her like

walking away from the other end. He's

got a tennis racket. He's like playing

the US Open in his head, whatever he's

doing. And then on the corner, no less

than 50 ft away, there was a half- naked

lady like taking a [ __ ] And you're

like, "Nah, time to leave. I think this

is uh I think we're we're all good

here."

>> We had an issue like that in California

for a while. Oh, yeah.

>> Where um when the economy started to go

south, now this is pre pandemic as well.

We started having these campers camp out

right in front of our studio and they

would uh the studio where we had in LA,

you've been to that place. It was the

warehouse. We had a big lawn in front of

the warehouse and these guys would

spread out on the lawn. So they would

park their camper there and then they

would like cook out and they would lay

out and so like you're in this build,

you're asking people to walk past these

people to go do your podcast in this big

ass warehouse that I had leased. And I

was like why are you doing this? like

you can't be doing this. You can't just

use my lawn as your front yard. Like

this is crazy. I mean spread out, dude.

They had [ __ ] laying out there and all.

>> There's nothing you can do.

>> Well, there was. Oh, really? Yeah. We

contacted the police and the police

eventually they realized this is not a

good thing and they moved them all. But

they moved them to different parts of

town and so then you would drive to like

the more industrial areas of town that

didn't like our place was like

semi-industrial. there was a bunch of

warehouses, but there was also a bunch

of like foot traffic businesses,

restaurants and stuff like that. And so

they moved them out of there. But if you

go into the deeper industrial places

where they have factories and stuff,

they were they were there like whole

blocks of them where you just have

campers laying out and just open meth

smoking. These people are just full-on

methheads that had just started a

community of fellow meth enthusiasts

with campers. And a lot of their campers

didn't even run. They could just get it

to the spot wherever it was and then

they would steal power. You know, every

now and then a dude would die because he

didn't know how to do the wires right

and he'd get cooked.

>> Yeah, that's right. That's it's the same

where where we were at in Salt Lake. I'd

have full-time security out in front of

the like literally in front of the

building.

>> Our concern was when we left it was like

if we left at night and someone broke

in, it would take [ __ ] forever for

cops to show up and do something about

it. And so I was like, you can't just

you just can't have these guys knowing

that like famous people and, you know,

high-profile people are going to be at

that spot and you've got like open meth

smoking right in front of the place.

Like this is too crazy.

>> Yeah.

>> They're too too unpredictable. You know,

I look I don't care if you live in your

truck. It's probably cool. If you're a

guy who's like you've checked out of

society essentially and you just like

playing pickle ball all day and you live

in a camper, who cares? Go ahead and do

that. But once you start engaging in

meth smoking and then it's always theft,

theft comes with meth smoking and

there's a lot of breakins in the area

and it was it got to a point where the

cops had to do something. So, credit to

them that they did.

>> It's almost a difference between

#vanlife and #methlife. Yeah.

>> There's a big difference,

>> right? Van life is like you want to be a

guy who's not saddled down to one

particular spot. You have a place that's

in this van that has a bed. You have a

little tiny kitchen area. You have a

little portable fridge. It's all you

need. I don't need a [ __ ] house. Just

travel around. It's probably fun.

>> Yeah.

>> The freedom of it, you know? Like Alex

Hnold, that crazy dude that just climbed

that tower in

>> in uh Chinese Taipei. He uh used to live

like that for a long time.

>> He had a big van. and he would park in

his friend's driveway sometimes and he

would just travel to trail heads and

live

>> live out of his van.

>> That's like the the minimalist

attraction, right? Where you're like, I

I don't have anything other than what's

in my van or on my back where life is

simple. I don't have to organize

anything. I can stay focused.

>> I think that's a it's an interesting

thought exercise, especially when you're

younger. You're like, "Okay, cool. I can

wrap my head around that."

>> Yeah.

>> And it's completely respectable. A lot

of these hippies, I shouldn't say that

in the context of like hippie dance

around in flowers in my hair. A lot of

these like climber crunchy guys,

>> they are hard committed like bad mofos

like when they're

>> when they're living on dog food. Like

there's this great story about the

founder of Patagonia where he went to

the store. He was climbing Elcap. And

I'm trying to recall a story from

outside magazine from, you know, 20

years ago. But in general circumstance,

that's what it is where he went to the

store. He's going to be climbing LCAP

for months and he's just working on a

specific route and he went to the store

to buy food. He only had a hundred bucks

or whatever it was. And dog food was

less expensive and he was like, "Me,

I can live on that." And he bought dog

food and lived on dog food.

>> He just lived on kibble

>> and Yeah. so he could climb and stay out

there longer.

>> His farts were like,

>> "Bro, like you wouldn't want to be

behind that on his route, right? He

would not want to be climbing behind

that guy. I'll tell you that."

>> Because I stopped giving my dog regular

dog food a long time ago. But when he

was younger, uh, all my dogs, I would

just buy the most expensive dry dog

food. I was like, "Oh, this stuff is

good."

>> And then somewhere along the line, it

clicked. I was like, "Wait, what? How

can it sit there? How can it just sit in

that bag for a month? That's crazy. How

could it sit on the shelf for years?

That's nuts. That can't be good for you.

And then I started feeding them frozen

food. And then they like that. But then

I switched to farmer's dog, which is

human grade food, which is lightly

cooked. They [ __ ] love it. That stuff

I would eat. Like you smell it, it

smells like food. It doesn't smell

disgusting, right?

>> But

>> regular dog food is [ __ ] terrible for

a dog. It's It's not good for them. So,

if you have to eat that stuff, that

kibble stuff, and you're going to travel

around, your gut must be going like,

"What are you doing? What kind of

chemicals are in here? What kind of

preservatives are They're just nuking

your gut biome."

>> The la the level I I But I love the

level of commitment. I love like when

people drift over into

>> like crazy.

>> Yeah. to where their level of commitment

and their passion like translates

directly into nothing else exists in

their life and they're willing to live

on dog food to do the thing that they

they love.

>> Fun.

>> That to me is like

>> you're you're you're an extremist and I

respect it. Like you know what I

>> No, I can respect that.

>> Do you ever see that movie Dirt Bag?

>> No.

>> Um pull up that movie Dirt Bag. It's a

great movie. It's about a guy who

essentially did that till he was dead.

This guy just camped out on the ground

in front of his friends houses most of

the time. Didn't have a car. Just would

just just climb. That's all he did. He

was always mooching off people. And he

had very detailed What was the dude's

name?

>> Fred.

>> Fred Becky.

>> Fred Becky. The dude's a legend. So he

had been doing this from, you know, the

19 [ __ ] 50s. Like he was an old ass

man and he still Look at the gnarled

hands. Look at his [ __ ] handsid

>> from just climbing. Imagine if that guy

got a hold of your dick. Just rip it

right off.

>> Do you know who Mark Twight is?

>> No.

>> Okay. So, Mark Twight,

>> look at this [ __ ] guy.

>> He was I mean one of the like foremost

names in Alpineering. Like he's he's

written several books on it. He wrote a

book called Kiss or Kill Confessions of

a Serial Climber back in the day. Very

very similar like in the context of I

would imagine the the psychological

makeup. And he started a a a gym called

Jim Jones back in the day. And like it

was where a bunch of people you had it

was invite only. So you could only get

invited and it was like a lot of special

operations guys, CIA guys and

professional climbers like everybody

that was trying to push the envelope

physically would go out and train with

Mark. And uh I've been friends with him

for years. But anything Mark does, he

moves from like I'm going to be the best

climber like Alpineering. I'm going to

be the subject matter expert. He was a

professional uh he shot Ipsick for a

while. So he's a professional, you know,

pistol shooter for a while. He's a

professional climber. And now he's a

photographer, writer. Everything he

does, he does it to a level of

perfection that it probably drives

everybody else in his life bananas. Like

he's fascinating. He's a fascinating

human.

>> Those people that go really to the outer

level of whatever's possible with

whatever the [ __ ] they're doing are

always fascinating cuz it makes you go,

I don't know if I want to do that.

>> Like what is the sacrifice to get really

good at rock climbing? You never have

kids. You never have a life. You never

have a job. like this this dirt bag guy

like everyone around him both admired

him and felt sad for him,

>> right?

>> Because like he died a dirt bag. He

never had a family and it's like all his

ex-girlfriends talking about how an

interesting guy he was. He was really

fun, but eventually I have a [ __ ]

move on. Like this dude all he wanted to

do was like sleep on the ground and get

up and start climbing rocks his whole

life. But there's if you think about

everybody around us in the in their

profession or their thing, right? You're

at the apex of a your professional your

your profession. And your level of

commitment, I'm not like boosting you

up. I'm just saying like your level of

commitment is unparallel to a huge

percentage of other people. So you have

a portion of whatever that is. And there

are all these other people that have

that thing where their pursuit of

passion around that specific profession

or product or whatever it might be,

they're so committed to it that it takes

over. It's all consuming.

>> Like

I mean I've seen it because when even

when you go play pool, I'm like the when

we were in Vegas a couple months ago,

they're like, "Oh, we're going to play

pool. I'm going to come out. He's going

to be there till like 6:00 in the

morning. I'm not going to do that." And

Green Tree was like he was he was there

till like 6:00 in the morning. He played

for like 8 hours straight. I was like,

"Yeah, I could see the writing on the

wall. I'm I'm out of here."

>> The pool is my number one problem.

That's my biggest one.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. That's the one where if I if I

ever wanted to not do anything else, I

would just become a professional pool

player. If I just said, "Okay, I am

done. I'm done podcasting. I'm done with

the UFC. I'm done with everything. I'm

just going to travel around and do

tournaments."

>> Huh.

>> I could I could go crazy. I could go

crazy and just do that 100%. Is it just

the the the game fascinates you? The the

angles, the the ability to like just

continue to evolve within that all the

time. You can't ever be the best.

>> You definitely never achieve full

perfection, but to be really good

requires this level of laser focus and

concentration and an understanding of

what's going on. M I mean you're taking

a stick and you're hitting a ball into

another ball with pinpoint accuracy into

a pocket that is on my table it's 4 and

a/4 in.

>> So you've got the cube the ball the

object ball which is about that big and

then you got that much space on each

side. Just a tiny little space on each

side. You got to slip it through there

often times like 8 feet away 7 feet away

6 feet away with English. So you're

putting spin on the Q ball, which

imparts a throw on the object ball. So

if I put right hand spin on the CQ ball

and I hit the object ball, I have to

calculate for the fact that it's going

to throw the object ball slightly to the

left because of the right hand spin

because it clings to the ball a little

bit and shoot. So all this is playing in

my head and then I have to have it at a

speed where once the Q ball then

collides with the object ball pockets it

then it's got to go one, two, three

rails for perfect position on the next

ball. And I have to have an angle. I

have to make sure that I have an angle

for the following ball, right?

>> And you don't want to be trapped on the

rails. You want to be off the rail. It's

like all these different thing. You

can't think about anything else. Your

mind has to be clean. It cleans your

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>> So, have you gotten I I'm sure you have

like professional

>> players. Yeah. Coaching guys have come

out like the best in the world have come

out and played with you.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> How do you hold up? Like what's your

>> Well, I can never beat them, right?

>> Uh but I beat them some games. I I can

break and run out. So, I break and run

out one two games in a row sometimes.

But they'll make so like if you have

like a score of uh accuracy it's called

like a Fargo rating. It's based on a

thousand points is you never miss.

>> Uh I am in like the 700 on a good day

750 range but a real worldass pro is in

the 800 plus range. Like um Fedor Gors

is probably like 850. The Joshua filler

is probably like a little higher than

that. They get into this rate where they

so rarely miss. And again, they're

playing on 4 in pockets, which is like a

quarter inch smaller than the pockets

I'm playing on. Although, they are

playing on new cloth,

>> which helps a lot.

>> Makes things more slippery. They fall in

more, more worn out cloth, like when

it's broken in for a couple of weeks, it

gets tougher.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. Yeah. The cloth gets a little less

slick and you got to hit a ball a little

bit more pure. But on the plus side,

English takes better.

>> So when you play with these guys, is it

one of those things where they like

instantly humble you in the context of

you start feeling I'm really confident

in my game and then you step in?

>> No, not really. No,

>> there's not that big of a delta between

>> there's a gap. There's definitely a gap.

I mean, they're just way better than me,

but it's it's a lot of it is just time.

They spend eight hours a day playing

every day. If I spent eight hours a day

playing every day, I think I could play

at a professional level.

>> I wouldn't be able to beat the best

guys. No, I would never be able to beat

like the coping chunks and the the the

guys that are at the very top top cuz

those guys have been playing eight hours

a day for decades. They never stop.

>> What what's a what's a guy like that

make annually in tournaments

>> now? More than ever. Really?

>> Yeah. Because of matchroom pool. So,

Matchroom, the same company that Eddie

Hearn owns that does a lot of boxing

promotions, they're involved in a lot of

sports. They've done an amazing job with

pool, specifically with nineball, and

they they put on these huge tournaments.

Saudi Arabia has a big one every year.

They have this big world championship

where they pay a ton of money. And so,

you know, a good player, like a top of

the heat player is making half a million

dollars plus a year. Okay? And then also

endorsements. So they have endorsements

like companies like Predator Q's pay

them and QEC and all all these different

companies pay them x amount of dollars

per year. They have a sponsor for the

chalk they use. They have a sponsor for

>> the tips they play with. All all these

different things. All that adds up.

>> So what's the difference then between

what is it snooker? Is that the English?

>> Totally different game. Totally

different game. It's a big table. It's a

12x6 as opposed to a 4 1/2 by 9. So,

it's a much bigger table, but the balls

are smaller as well. And then their Q's

have these tiny little tips on them.

They all play with ash Q's, which is

like a very stiff wood, and they play

with like a solid wood queue, whereas a

lot of like pro pool players have

switched to carbon fiber now. They play

with carbon fiber cues because it's like

it move it's a little bit more dense, so

it moves the ball differently.

>> Fine. Have you played it?

>> Snooker? Yeah, I played it when I was in

Scotland a little bit. Uh, but I only

played by myself. There was just a table

and I was just whacking balls around.

It's very difficult to pocket balls. But

I don't even really understand the

rules. I would have to really pay

attention. I watch it a little bit

sometimes because I know how hard it is

to do what they're doing cuz you do have

this enormous table. Their cloth is a

lot slower, too. It's a It's not as

slick of a cloth.

>> So, is it It's got to be older then,

right? Is it

>> Oh, it's way It's old. Snooker's old.

Um, so the original Billyard's game had

no pockets. The original billiards game

was three cushion billiards or bulk line

or there's a a bunch of different

billiards games where you play on a

table like say it was like this table.

There's no pockets in it and there's

just rubber rails all around it and it's

all about knocking one ball into the

other ball going three rails and then

colliding with the third ball.

>> Huh.

>> Yeah. It's just about scoring points.

And I've watched a bunch of that online,

too, cuz it helps you understand angles

like as you go into a rail because the

angles change depending upon how much

English you put on it, how hard you hit

it, whether you hit it with follow or

draw. There's a bunch of different like

parts of the Q ball that you can contact

with that radically changes the way the

ball moves around on the table. So, it's

like you're calculating so many

different things. There's geometry

involved. There's touch and feel.

There's like there's all these factors

that come into play when you're playing

really well.

>> So that explains why archery is also

somewhat of a fascination then because

you have very similar aspects to archery

and pull that directly translate.

>> That's like why those things snap

together real well for you.

>> Oh, for me they they're handinand

they're they're basically the same

thing. It's basically the same thing.

You're just doing it in a different way.

you know, you're it's the same thing.

It's like having everything just flowing

together perfectly after like years and

years and years of meticulous practice

and then it starts to come together

and then you pull that group out and

it's nice and tight at like 65 yards

like yeah, you got it dialed in. It's

that feeling and it's the same thing was

the world goes away. There is no room

for anything when you're about to pull

that trigger. Whether it's in pool where

you're about to make the shot or whether

it's in archery, there's no room for

anything. That's what I like about it. I

also like that there's no [ __ ]

There's no shenanigans. There's no

personality. There's no nothing matters.

Nothing matters. Did the ball go in the

hole? If it didn't, you lose. If it did,

you win. It's really clean.

>> I like that.

>> Yeah. Like that's the thing I love about

like like shooting just in general,

right? Like if I'm hitting a target, it

doesn't matter. I took my kids to the

arcade the other day and uh ski ball.

>> Oh yeah, I love ski ball.

>> I can like spend an hour on that thing

just like

>> just trying to get the perfect lob in

there and it's it's like I used to tell

people I'm like I'm just a projectile

enthusiast where

>> I I love hitting center mass of whatever

target. I'm still a six-year-old kid

with my BB gun, right? It's like at the

end of the day now my tools are are,

>> you know, much more advanced and I've

got, you know, the millions of dollars

of government funded training behind me,

so I'm a little bit more effective at

hitting what I want to shoot at. But it

still has the same the same exact

feeling

>> like

>> if you're 6 years old hitting a pop can

with your BB gun or ringing a piece of

steel at a mile with a rifle or hitting

a you know the the heart of a foam elk

in your backyard. It's the same, dude.

It translates and it like pulls you into

something that's like pure. I guess

>> it is pure and it's also a really good

mind exercise. Just like you know when

you work out you're cleaning your mind.

There's a lot of what working out is is

not just physical. It's mental clarity.

You uh relax the mind. You calm the mind

through hard exercise. And there's

something where you're calming your mind

through shooting because it requires so

much of you. Everything else just gets

get the [ __ ] out of the way. Bills, this

that, you know, oh, I got to call that

guy. I don't want to call him. [ __ ] I

got to deal with this thing. Oh, that's

falling apart. This deal sucks.

>> It all goes away. It has to go away. If

it doesn't go away, you miss. And then

you go, [ __ ] Why did I miss? You miss

cuz you're distracted. Like, let's

focus. Put the [ __ ] arrow on the

knock, you know? Put it in there. Draw

it back. Center it. calm, relaxed.

At that moment, like at that moment,

there is nothing else in your [ __ ]

head. There's nothing. And then, and it

goes in there, you get this

this nice burst of happiness when you

watch that [ __ ] arrow just drop right

in exactly where you want it to, like,

and then you go and pull the arrows and

you go right back and start it again.

And at the end of that practice, I feel

way better. I just always feel better. I

always feel clearer.

>> My my head works better. It's just like

it's a focus exercise with ex which

excites all your synapses.

>> And then on top of that, it's a mental

clearing thing. Like Fred Barry used to

talk about that like something about I

forget the quote, but it's something

about there's nothing like shooting a

bow that clears a man's mind. It's

totally true.

>> There's something about archery in

particular that just cleans your mind.

>> Yeah, I I I 100% agree. I I used to have

this traded.

Have I told you the story? Like

>> so I'd stuff the old coffee bags, the

burlap coffee bags. Stuff them up and

fill them up and then I started shooting

a trado originally

>> while the roasting cycle takes about

eight eight and a half minutes.

>> So I couldn't really do anything. I'm

like watching the, you know, coffee

roast, which is just tumbling in a big

dryer. And so I'd just shoot a tad bow

in the back to just focus something

other than the business, uh, you know,

family, whatever it is. I could just

shoot my tad bow. And then Dudley was

like, "Why do you shoot that thing? It's

so stupid." Like, "Don't you like to hit

what you shoot at?" I'm like, "I'm just

doing it for fun, man. Like, you know,

I'm I'm a happy golucky guy. I just want

to like active form of meditation." But

what what I did realize was it was such

a pure to your point it would flush out

all this negative [ __ ] that I was like

either working through or dealing

dealing with that's like so being able

to translate that to other people

especially veterans huge huge