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Is this really a good time to be investing?

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I recently had a call with a client of

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mine, Mark, who said, "James, I've just

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received a bonus, and I'm not sure what

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to do with it. Normally, I would have no

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problem investing, but right now, yeah,

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Trump is being Trump, but what really

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concerns me is how high the stock market

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is. With what I'm seeing online, we're

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in an AI bubble with reliable warning

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indicators suggesting that future

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returns are likely to be poor. I'm only

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5 years from retirement, and with

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everything that's going on in the world,

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is this really a good time to be

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investing?" Now, I know I'm not the only

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financial adviser to have got a call

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like this recently. Specifically, what

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Mark had been seeing online is that

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compared with the past, stock market

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valuations look extremely high. This is

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the Schiller Cape ratio for the S&P 500,

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which is a commonly used indicator for

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assessing how expensive the stock market

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appears to be. And on this measure, US

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valuations are back up to where they

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were before the dotcom bubble burst.

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After which it took 12 years for the US

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market to recover back to its previous

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high in pound terms. That was one event.

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But more broadly, if you look back in

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time, periods that started with a high

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Schiller PE ratio have on average gone

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on to produce significantly lower

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returns over the following 10 years. So

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on one hand, Mark is seeing data like

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this, which clearly does not look good,

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but what's making him even more

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concerned is the narratives that come

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with it. The big narrative of 2026 is

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AI. We have a small handful of tech

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companies spending hundreds of billions

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of dollars building out data centers and

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infrastructure for AI through a complex

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web of deals that makes it seem like

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they're just passing revenues around

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between each other. Money is being made,

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but it looks like the people who sell

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the shovels are just selling them to

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each other. The question is whether

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there's actually any gold. Is this

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spending actually going to turn into

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practical applications and profits

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anytime soon? If they don't, the fear is

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that markets have got so far ahead of

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themselves that they'll have to come

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back down to earth in a big way. This is

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the narrative that had really got its

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teeth stuck into Mark. And with what

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we've just seen, it's easy to see why.

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But what if I told you there's other

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explanations? Clearly, by this measure,

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valuations are much higher than they

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have been in the past. But can you see a

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trend here? Since the 1980s, valuations

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have continually been drifting higher

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and higher. And what if that's

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representative of structural changes in

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the stock market? That means higher

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valuations are here to stay. Over this

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period, financial literacy and access to

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stock markets has increased

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dramatically. There's hundreds of

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millions more people who understand the

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importance and the the reassuring mass

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that sits behind long-term investing. I

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mean, this channel is a prime example of

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that. And with the advent of apps and

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index funds, investing is easier than

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ever before. With more and more money

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flowing into the markets, this could be

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pushing up prices. And think about this.

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Since the great financial crisis of

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2008, we've seen the Federal Reserve and

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other central banks and governments prop

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up stock markets in ways we've never

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seen before. Bailing out banks, buying

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assets, providing liquidity when it's

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needed. And the knowledge that central

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banks are willing to step in may be

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acting like an insurance policy, making

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markets inherently less risky and

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perhaps deserved higher valuations.

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Since the 1980s, we've also seen another

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fundamental shift that has reduced risk

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for businesses. Back then, defined

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benefit pensions were the norm, where at

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retirement, companies would pay an

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employee a guaranteed income for the

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rest of their lives. These were often

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extremely generous and put the onus and

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the risk of saving for an employes

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retirement on the business. So, if the

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business did not save enough or invested

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poorly, they either had to pay more into

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that pension scheme or go bust, as many

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of them did. But over the last 40 years,

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we've seen a fundamental shift away from

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defined benefit pensions to defined

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contribution schemes, which are

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typically much cheaper for companies and

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put the risk of investing and retirement

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on the employee. It's really hard to

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stress just how big a liability to find

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benefit pensions were for companies back

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then. But today, S&P 500 businesses are

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largely free of those risks. So, that's

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three trends there that could be behind

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a structural shift towards higher

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valuations. And who knows when they'll

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stop. They could be providing a tailwind

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to markets for decades to come. Now, I

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wanted to tell you this to show you that

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there is always another narrative,

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another way of looking at the same data

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and how convincing a smart sounding

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narrative that appeals to common sense

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can be, especially when it comes from

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someone like me who has a big platform

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on YouTube. I guess the only thing that

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damages my credibility is the fact that

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it looks like I'm in a basement right

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now. But the truth is that I don't know

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if these factors are actually making

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meaningful differences to valuations

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right now. Maybe they are, maybe they're

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not. Now, don't worry. In a second, I'm

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going to tell you what I really think

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about these high valuations and the

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exact advice I gave to Mark. But I just

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wanted to make this point to demonstrate

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the power of a good narrative and how

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easily it can affect our perspectives.

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These days with index funds, getting

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invested is easy, but staying invested

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is a lot harder, perhaps harder than it

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has ever been. Because not only are

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there a million smart sounding, emotion

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hacking narratives on social media, but

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the algorithms are built to push the

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most extreme view. And the more you

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click, the more you get until you get

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stuck in an echo chamber where any story

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can feel true. Whenever I see a comment

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on YouTube from someone saying, "I'm

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selling all my US stocks. This is 2000

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all over again." or I'm all in on gold.

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Fear is dead. My first thought is what

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content have they consumed to push them

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to that point because no one wakes up in

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the morning thinking this stuff. That's

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a narrative that they have absorbed from

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somewhere else, from someone else whose

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incentives might not be clear. Stock

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markets are notoriously hard to predict.

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So, if you ever find yourself feeling

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certain about what's going to happen

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next, you need to take a step back,

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audit the content you're consuming, and

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deliberately go and find a different

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perspective because there is always

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another side to the story, which is

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exactly what I wanted to show Mark.

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According to the Cape Ratio, US stock

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market valuations are high right now.

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And in the past, there has clearly been

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a relationship between cape ratios and

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subsequent returns. But the question we

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need to ask then is can we use high

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valuations as a reliable signal to get

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out of the market. As you can imagine

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given the number of people looking for a

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reliable way to time the market there is

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a lot of research looking at exactly

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this. In one 2017 paper, they looked

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back at over a 100red years of stock

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market data to assess the performance of

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a simple buy and hold strategy invested

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in US stocks to a systematic strategy

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which varied its stock market exposure

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from a minimum of 50% stocks and 50%

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cash to 150% stocks by using leverage

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when the cake was low. And they thought

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this would work well, but the results

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were mixed. Between 1900 and 2015, the

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buy and hold strategy produced an excess

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return above cash of 6.6% per year on an

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annualized basis, whilst the timing

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strategy achieved a 7.4% return, which

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may sound better, but the timing

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strategy was more volatile to the extent

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that the risk adjusted returns, which is

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the important part, were almost

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identical. However, over the second half

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of this period from 1958, these two

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strategies were pretty much identical in

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terms of return and riskadjusted return.

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Now, when looking back over the full

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period, not only were these differences

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in return not statistically significant,

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but these figures are gross of fees when

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in reality the timing strategy would

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have had trading and margin costs which

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have not been factored in here. Given

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the apparent link between cape ratios

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and subsequent returns, this is a

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puzzle. The explanation that the authors

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gave was that the problem with valuation

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timing strategies is that valuations can

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drift higher or lower for years or

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decades, making it difficult to

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categorize the current market

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confidently as cheap or expensive

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without hindsight, which speaks to

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exactly what I was talking about

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earlier. Because valuations have drifted

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higher and higher over the last 40

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years, any timing strategy calibrated on

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what's happened in the past and what was

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normal before would have given premature

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signals to get out of the market. So the

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takeaway is that in the short term, no.

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Cape is not a reliable indicator as to

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when to get in or out of the market. And

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if you want recent evidence of that,

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just look at what's happened since 2022.

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The last time the Cape ratio was this

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high. Since then, the S&P 500 is up 43%.

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Although Cape can't tell us what is

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going to happen in the short term, it

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does appear to have some predictability

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over long time periods. We're talking 10

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plus years. So if the market seems

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expensive, and again it's hard to assess

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what expensive means, but if that seems

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to be the case, it's sensible to assume

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that stocks will deliver a smaller

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premium above cash and other lower risk

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assets than they have done in the past.

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But with that said, although US

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valuations look high right now, that's

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not the case for much of the rest of the

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world. The UK is trading at valuations

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lower or on par with the past, as is

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Europe. With all of the research my firm

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has done, we've not seen evidence of any

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reliable way to time when to get in or

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out of the markets or switch between

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countries. So, as I said to Mark, we

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need to focus on what we can control.

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Firstly, diversification. Mark, this is

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why you are not invested in a single

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country. You're invested across the

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world in big companies, small companies,

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tech, healthcare, energy, the lot. And

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although cape ratios can't tell us

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what's going to happen in the short

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term, in the long term, there does

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appear to be some predictive ability.

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So, it makes sense for us to assume that

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a globally diversified portfolio of

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stocks will deliver a lower premium than

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it has in the past. Which is exactly why

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when we've built your financial plan, we

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did not assume that stocks are going to

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deliver 10% returns per year. We stress

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tested the plan using conservative

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assumptions. And the good news is that

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even with those, your plan still works.

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And for this bonus, when it comes to

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investing a lump sum, it is so easy to

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get caught up in the narratives that you

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read online. But again, we need to focus

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on what we can control. Although you're

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planning on retiring in 5 years, we've

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already started to set aside money in

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lower risk assets for that eventuality.

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So the vast majority of your money,

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including this bonus, is going to need

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to remain invested for the next 10, 20,

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30, hopefully 40 years. So the question

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we need to ask is not what are the

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markets going to do over the next few

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months or years because the honest

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answer is no one knows. What we care

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about is where it's likely to be 20

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years from now. And because you're

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investing across the entire globe,

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you're not betting on a single country

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or sector, you're betting on the

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continued growth, prosperity, and

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ingenuity of the human race. And despite

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the negative narratives you hear online,

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that's not something you should bet

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against. Now, for anyone, even seasoned

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investors, investing a big chunk of

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money can be nerve-wracking. No matter

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what your head is saying, when your

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finger hovers over that button, your

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emotions can easily get the better of

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you. So what we decided to do in Mark's

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case, and I don't recommend this for

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everyone, but because Mark was feeling

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nervous, we decided to systematically

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phase the money into the markets over a

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period of 6 months. Not because we think

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it's going to deliver a better return.

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In fact, the chances are that it won't

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simply because markets tend to go up

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more than they go down. But just in case

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markets do fall straight after we start

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this, it's easier for Mark to then view

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that as a good thing as he gets to buy

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in at a lower and lower price. And then

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on the flip side, if markets do rise,

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yes, he's buying in at a higher price,

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but because he's already got a lot of

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other money invested in the markets, you

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know, that's a good news story, too.

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When I first started investing, I can

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remember that markets were at an

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all-time high. And I was thinking surely

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markets are going to fall below where

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they are now at some point. So why don't

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I just hold on to my cash and then buy

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in when they're lower. At the time it

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felt so intuitive. But of course I ended

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up sitting there in cash whilst the

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markets just went on higher and higher

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and higher. And this is something that I

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expect most investors can relate to.

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It's probably something you've done at

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some point. So, a few years ago, I

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decided to do some research, looking

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back into the past at whether it's been

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more likely for stock markets to fall

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after setting an all-time high on that

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particular trading day compared with any

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other normal trading day where it's not

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at an all-time high. And all I can say

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is that you're going to need to watch

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this video here because I was shocked by

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what I found. I'll see you there.

Interactive Summary

This video addresses investor concerns about high stock market valuations and the prevailing AI bubble narrative. It examines the Shiller CAPE ratio, historical data, and the potential reasons for persistently high valuations, including increased financial literacy, the role of central banks, and the shift from defined benefit to defined contribution pensions. The video argues that while high valuations might suggest lower future returns over the long term, they are not a reliable indicator for short-term market timing. It emphasizes the power of narratives in shaping investment decisions and advises focusing on controllable factors like diversification and long-term goals rather than trying to time the market. The speaker shares personal advice given to a client named Mark, suggesting a phased investment approach for lump sums to manage emotional responses to market fluctuations.

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