Every day I wake up, I'm one day closer

to death. So, what you going to do with

the time you got left? Six time Grammy

nominee. Big Sean.

One of the biggest blessings is going

through a time where you are feeling at

your lowest or depressed or whatever the

feeling is because that is just

confirmation that you're not in

alignment and that you're meant for

something different, something greater.

What's the difference between attracting

energy and chasing energy? Oh, boy.

The number one health and wellness

podcast. Jay Shetty. Jay Shetty. The

one, the only Jay Shetty.

Please welcome my dear friend, someone

that I believe is so inspiring, deeply

insightful, philosophical, a guide, a

teacher, a leader, Big Sean. Man,

brother, thank you for having me. You

know, first of all, I just got to say

Jay though, I'm so proud of you, man.

Even even since our first interview,

like, of course you did you sparked the

idea of me writing a book, but not I'm

not making it about me, bro. You've

interviewed the president, man. You've

interviewed like the you have gone to

the moon and back. There was a part of

the book where I said like

the mental health space and you know,

like that that space is dominated by a

certain crowd, bro. You are dominating

this space and I just got to say

it's it's deeper than that. It's

wellness. It's all of it and I just got

to say I'm super proud of you, man. Like

very, very proud of you. I know like

where you come from. I know your

journey. I know how you grew up. You

know, I know the household you came from

and I just got to say, man, I'm very

proud of you and I see I see like so

much for you and you're still so young

and you still so have so much to offer.

So, thank you so much, man.

Oh, man, the feeling feeling is mutual

and honestly, it was people like

yourself who came on the show so early

and trusted the space, opened up,

and made it a safe space for so many

that followed you as well. And so, I

have to give you a lot of credit back

because you came on the show when it was

so much smaller. We were starting out.

But, it was people like yourself who who

trusted me, trusted the space. And I'm

so proud of you for putting this book

together because,

you know, you've manifested

success.

And when I spent time with you today,

and I see you with Renee, and I see you

talking about Noah,

I also feel you've manifested happiness.

And I think those two things are very

different.

And so, I wanted to ask you, what's been

different about manifesting success,

career, profession, and then manifesting

happiness? One of the things about

success is you have to define what your

idea of success is. You know, I don't

think if like, say somebody had a

billion dollars, I wouldn't say that

he's more successful than me. I would

just say he has more money than me. And

I think that's the power of separation.

Uh we tie so many things into

definition, right? Success to me

is a feeling of it's an emotion. It's

something that when your purpose is

activated and you are impacting people

in any way, shape, or form. There's so

many ways to impact people, right?

Now, there are byproducts of success.

Like, money can be a byproduct of

success, you know, if when you do

something

and it you create a supply and demand,

you get paid for it. But, I don't think

because you make money that you're

successful. You know what I'm saying?

And I don't think, you know, there's a

lot of things that you could tie to

that. Just like I don't think just

because if your life isn't going the way

you are, that doesn't mean that you let

that make you unhappy. Those are two

separate things. It's really the power

of separation. So, for me,

success is a feeling, and And when my

purpose is activated. So, I remember I

did an interview and they asked, you

know,

successful talking about success and I

said, "Well, I'm not the most successful

person in the world." Then I was like,

"Well, maybe I am actually because

I love so many aspects of my life and

I'm living in

uh the life that I've always dreamed of,

you know,

uh times 10. I I only wanted to have a

song on the radio and like

a platinum song and bro, I've sold 185

million records or something crazy. I've

like taken care of my mom, my dad, a lot

of people and

s- lived 10 lifetimes already, so

everything is just been sprinkles on

top. So, to me, success

is really activating your purpose

and happiness is something that you can

choose instantly.

Your happiness is something that you

could choose instantly and it's

something that I learned the hard way

because when I have

fallen into like a dark time, you know,

we all go through these ups and downs.

When I've been down bad and like the

depression comes in, the anxiety comes

in, the self-sabotage comes in,

and you can hold on to these things and

they will

they they will stick with you your whole

life. You have to decide to let them go.

And I And that's one of the things I

talk about in the book. A lot of people

don't may not know how to do that and

there are a lot of ways, but one of the

first ways is to choose how you feel.

You're in control of that. And it's

easier said than done because when

things aren't going your way, you're

pissed off at everybody. You're like

blaming everything. Well, first of all,

you have to quit blaming everything else

and realize that you're a magnet. You're

magnetizing your whole world to you, you

know? So, if that's the case, obviously

you switch it to an emotion that

resonates with you more of how at least

how you desire to feel, right? And you

can choose that and I'm telling you,

your whole experience will change. So,

happiness is something you can choose

immediately. Yeah, one thing that stood

out to me listening to you was the power

of separation. I've never heard it like

that before. Yeah. And I really like

that term because we have to learn to

separate society's views and our views.

We have to learn to separate, as you

said,

our definition of success and other

people's definition of success.

And separate what you control and what

you can't control. And how So, how do we

develop the power of separation? What

What does it take to cultivate that

within ourselves to have that ability

because I feel most of us don't practice

the power of separation. Well, it's

being is just the recognition to me.

One of the

biggest blessings

in your life

is growing pains.

One of the biggest blessings is going

through a time where you are feeling at

your lowest or depressed or whatever the

feeling is because

that is just confirmation that you're

not in alignment and that you're meant

for something different or you're meant

for something more, something greater.

You know, if you were satisfied with

where you're at, then that's just is

what it is and you know, you probably

wouldn't even be depressed. But because

you are, because you feel a certain way

or like you're not all the way there,

that is just confirmation that you are

truly, truly meant for more

or something different. So, to me, I

think that when you recognize

uh okay, you know, once you start

recognizing things of that nature, you

could say, "Okay, what's the first step

of getting out of this?" And so, that's

part of the book. I say, you know,

accepting where you are. That doesn't

mean you have to like

you have to like stay there. That just

means accepting the blessings and all

the things that come along with where

you are

to open up space for more. And you're

letting go of all the baggage that is is

holding and weighing you down. I used to

be like that. I used to be like when

things don't go my way, I'm terrible.

Oh, this doesn't happen the way I wanted

it to or the way I saw it, you know, my

whole mood is shot, right? And I'm not

not to say that things don't affect me

when they don't go my way, but I have

the armor on now. I know how to deal

with it. I know how to get over it and

get back to it.

Mhm. That's how a lot of my heroes deal

with things, too. You know, when you

think uh of like a Denzel Washington,

like say he has a new movie out.

Say the movie does amazing and it's

incredible and he wins an Oscar. Say the

movie comes out and it bombs or it

doesn't do as well. He he's not going to

give up and quit. It's not going to ruin

his life. He's going to move on to the

next thing and sep- and and use that to

the power of separation to me, you know,

that's a real thing. Yeah, I you

reminded me of I love Denzel, too, so

Yeah, I know. You you reminded me of I

can't speak for Denzel. That's just like

an example of something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of what you're

perceiving.

Yeah. I remember my football coach

growing up gave me this piece of advice

Mhm. and it's stayed with me ever since

then. He would say to us, if you lose,

cry for a night. Yeah. And he goes, if

you win, celebrate for a night, mhm, but

then get back to training. That's right.

So, if you lose, cry for a night, but

then get back to training. And if you

win, celebrate for a night and get back

to training. It was always about getting

back to training the next day.

Yeah. He was like, you can't just sit

there and cry for a week

Mhm. or cry for a month. And you can't,

in the same way, celebrate for a month.

You can't just live off your past

success. That's right.

Get back to training and I love that

mindset. Someone was asking me

mindset almost, right?

Yeah, yeah, fish go on. You know, I know

you got a chance to talk to Kobe before

and um I've actually got a chance to

talk to him as well and

you know, he's he's incredible and his

mindset was something that I admire so

much and I I got a chance to talk to him

literally

a few months before he passed

and he was just telling me about how he

meditates and what it does for him,

right? And I just resonated with that so

much. It's really It's really cool

because we all are reflections of each

other, not just me and you or whoever.

It's like

everyone that's in your vicinity, in

your environment, is a reflection of a

you or a part of you, even if you like

them or don't like them,

you know? And it's something to

recognize that we are all

interconnected. After you go down to the

layers of it, right? You get past the

singularity of like career,

the uh you know, family, house, this and

that. We're all You go really deep

inside and we're all very similar. We're

all the same. We We We have the same

system of order of operations, you know?

And it's really a a true testament of we

all are Everything physical is made of

that same I don't know what you want to

call it, prana or love, energy. And as

I've gotten older in my life, I see the

similarities. I have friends that are

in their 60s, 70s, you know? I have

friends that are all races and things,

and I see myself in all of them. And I

think that's something to recognize um

in such a world of separation.

I know that kind of is like a far reach

from talking about the interaction with

Kobe, but it's just it's just crazy how

in everyone that I've been meeting

lately, and even just from growing up

that I've seen,

it's like a mirror almost in a lot of

ways. Every day I wake up, I'm one day

closer to death. So, what you going to

do with the time you got left? I always

say that's a business you'll never be

successful at is the business of trying

to please everyone. And then and when

you do please everyone, it's like, are

you pleasing yourself? I can't control

what people think of me, their

perceptions of me, and when I try and

control that, it takes me off of my path

that I'm on or I need to go. Talking

about Kobe,

I think what resonated with me most

about him is that he was at peace in

retirement. Mhm. And athletes who are

retired don't always find peace because

naturally it was so important to be on

the field.

Right. Right.

And so no judgement towards anyone, but

it's so hard to not be on the court

anymore.

Mhm. And not miss it and want to be

there. And he had found a new purpose.

And that's the most interesting thing is

that you don't get to peace by

pursuing it and you don't get to peace

by trying to pursue more prizes and more

wins.

Yeah.

You get to peace by finding your purpose

and that's what he did.

Mhm. And so I want to talk about in your

book cuz you really give people these

five practices.

Yeah. Yeah. And I want to give people a

game plan, a road map today in our

interview so that when they read the

book

Yeah. they can kind of connect the dots

between things you've said today. And I

want everyone to go out and grab a copy

of the book because I really feel it

simplifies Mhm. I feel like so much of

this space is like mystical, complex.

Yeah. Like and and it can take a long

time, but what you've done is you've

really demystified in Go Higher, your

book, the pathway to get there. Yeah.

And and I love that you start at accept

Mhm. because I think even though it's a

hard step, it's such an important step.

This idea that your journey only begins

when you accept that where you are is

your starting point.

Mhm. That your experiences made you

exactly who you're meant to be with the

skills, the talents, the gifts. So if

someone's sitting and listening and

going, "Sean, that's so hard for me to

accept that I am where I need to be

because my life's just been full of

you know, the worst horrible, difficult

things. How do I accept and start from

there? Mhm.

What would you say to them? I would say

that I I understand some people's lives

are not ideal. I'm someone who

has seen that, experienced that, can

relate to that first hand, and what I

can say is that when you accept it, that

doesn't mean

that

you are giving up.

Those are two different things.

Accepting it just means, "Okay,

I'm ready to go somewhere else. And I'm

thankful for all the the all that this

has taught me, all that this has brought

me. I accept where I'm at, but I know

I'm made for something else. I know I'm

made to go to go higher, right? But no,

but really I'm made to to be

somewhere else in the world, some you

know, and I think that until you accept

that, you can't move forward because

you're just in the middle of it. And I

think when you accept something, that's

how you get ahead of it.

Yeah. Yeah, I I agree. I feel like

it's the resistance to acceptance

Mhm. that blocks us. Exactly.

Right? It's like when we're fighting,

yeah, when we're fighting,

we're going in the opposite direction.

It's like it's telling you it's going in

this direction.

Mhm. And you're trying to force it to go

in the other direction, and that's

what's causing tension. And accepting it

means, like you said, not that you're

giving up and you're like, "All right,

well, I'll just do what you want." It's

going, "No, this is how it's flowing.

Mhm. Now, what am I going to do?"

There's always a like thread of where

you are to where you desire to be at, no

matter on what situation. There's never

not a way.

Or else you wouldn't feel it, or else

you wouldn't be have a desire for it.

But it wouldn't even be in your

consciousness. You know what I mean?

Like I don't have a desire to go to

Saturn because I'm that's just not in my

thing, right? But

I have a desire to the things that I've

had a desire to, I always knew that

there was a way. So always know that, no

matter what opportunity you're in,

against the impossible odds,

or against odds, you know, whatever it

is, you always have your way to get to

where you are. There's always a thread

leading you. And there are maybe

multiple threads. So, never be down and

out and think that it's impossible. It's

really not. I mean

Mission Impossible is is a movie that

where he defines impossible missions,

you know? But my point is is like

there's nothing that's impossible for

you. It's all meant for you.

And it's it's up to you. You know, one

of my favorite quotes is every day I

wake up, I'm one day closer to death.

So, what you going to do with the time

you got left? It's like understand that

this is

our time right now. The moment is now.

These moments we only have the moment.

So, a lot of us live in the future and a

lot of us live in the past. And that's

something that we have to get out of the

habit of. And I think when you accept

where you are, you're kind of letting go

of that and making an action plan to

putting your attention on your

intention. And you of course you have a

idea where you would like to be, but God

doesn't always give us what we want. God

gives us what we need. And sometimes

those are the same thing and sometimes

they're not.

And

it it all works out, you know? Yeah, for

sure. What what's the uh

you know, when you're manifesting as

we're talking about this like finding

your path, what's the difference between

attracting energy and chasing energy?

Oh, boy.

Attracting energy and chasing energy,

well, like I said,

uh when you're chasing something, you're

already implementing the energy of

it running away from you.

You know what I mean?

And I'm not saying you can't get it, but

it's a lot of effort to chase something.

It's like even police on a high-speed

chase, it's like they might have to

crash into other cars and they're

chasing you. And when you attract

something,

it's uh you are using the powers that

have been granted to you from God,

universe, whatever you call it or

believe in,

of

it magnetizing to you. And you have that

power. It's been the power that's been

you know, we use it on a level on small

levels every day. Even if you just said

in the say, "Hey, I'm today I need to

take a shower." That's literally you set

a goal, you did it, it's done.

You can do that on a scale of anything

that that happens. And some things may

take a lot more time than others.

You know, we all we have these ideas and

expectations we set for ourselves, but

that's on us. Mhm. You know, that's our

ego sometimes. That's our

our you know, wants and desires and our

minds sometimes getting the best of us.

And I think that things do take time,

but there's always a way.

And

you know, it's you can never count

yourself out. Mhm.

What's been the most difficult thing

you've ever had to accept? The most

difficult thing that I've ever had to

accept is that I the things that I can't

control. Mhm.

I used to let the things that I can't

control control me. Give me an example,

like

how someone perceives your art.

Mhm.

As an artist, like Erykah Badu says,

we're emotional about our [ __ ] you

know? I think she said something like

that.

Yeah.

That never changes. But you can't

control how someone perceives you, you

know? All you can do is put

First of all, to make something, to

write something, to

have an idea and then actualize it is

like that is really the win for real.

I'm not just saying that like that is

like, come on. You know what I mean? You

literally manifested something. How

people consume it,

if you impact anyone, you that's

literally a a bonus to it, you know?

That's why we do it, but that's

that's you're literally changing the

world. So, that one thing I've had to

accept is like yeah, how people

like I can't control what people think

of me, their perceptions of me. And when

I try and control that it takes me off

of my path that I'm on

of where I need to go. Yeah.

You know? So, that's been that's that's

that is something hard and you have to

separate like that said that power of

separation of

um

doing what you love to do and not tied

it into how people perceive it. Those

are two separate things. Which is so

hard. It is.

It's so hard, isn't it? And and I loved

what you said that

when you get fixated on what other

people think of you Mhm. you're just

getting distracted from your path. Of

course.

you're placing energy on and then you

might even shift what you're doing to

try and appease them and then they still

won't like it.

Mhm. And that's the craziest part,

right? You do what you want Mhm. and

they don't like it.

Yeah. And then you do what they want and

they still don't like it.

And then you don't know who you are

anymore and no one likes it and you

don't like it either. Yeah.

end up not liking yourself trying to get

everyone else to like you. And that's

where you don't want to be at.

And that's where you don't want to be

at. And then you're kind of like back to

a square one you know, position of like

okay, having to reestablish yourself and

you know, you got to be right with

yourself first.

So, you you you nailed it right on the

head, man. It's like

you know, you can't you can't really do

you live your life for other people.

I always say that's a business you'll

never be successful at is the business

of trying to please everyone. And then

and when you do please everyone, it's

like are you pleasing yourself? It's a

hard it's a hard lesson as well for

people because

It is.

we all naturally want to make the people

around us happy and and our childhood

has so much to do with that. Mhm.

You know, we were speaking a bit earlier

and I was talking about how like I was

the peacemaker in my family. I was the

mediator. Yeah. I was the person

one. As a young

As a as a 10-year-old. Wow. And so I was

always trying to

keep the peace Mhm. and listen to people

and understand them and Mhm. understand

what was going on and so I always had to

read in between the lines, and I always

had to have a great sense of when

something was going to kick off, and how

to and I wasn't trying to make peace in

the sense of like everyone just got to

get along. Mhm. I was always trying to

get to the root of it and go, "What

healing's needed here?" And I don't

know, I just always did that.

And You know what's You know what's

special about that, man? Is that um

I think that we choose our parents

before, you know, I think as spirits we

choose our parents. It's just what I

believe, right? It's just a concept that

I believe.

And some people be like, "Well, that's I

was in a family where it wasn't easy.

This I would have never chosen that."

But you don't understand that

you know,

to be one of the billion of sperm that

make it into the egg and come sexual

like you really fought to be in this

world, right? And

I truly believe that God doesn't give

you what you want. God gives you what

you need, first and foremost. And you

don't know how the development There are

some people who need a nurturing family

that's perfect, right? And then there

are some people who actually learn

maybe even more and become more of a a a

positive force for the world to change

it by learning

of what not to do from their parents

directly all the time, or not all the

time, but like in certain situations,

you know? So, I just think that you

know, you being the mediator you you

were you were on a course. You were

learning at such a young age of things

to apply or what not to apply to your

marriage. And the fact that you were

that, cuz we talked about it off camera,

the fact that you were a mediator, the

fact that you were that for your family

at such a young age, it's just

incredible. Because look at the path

that has led you to.

Man, you're impacting everybody, man.

You're impacting like the world, you

know, and me and families, and you're

really changing it with like the the

person you are and the heart that you

have have, you know? So, wow. I'm just I

just got to pay my respect to you.

No, you're too kind, man. I I got lucky.

I met good men I feel like

important people we've talked about in

previous interviews when you've come on

about your mother's role in your life.

Oh, yeah.

And and how pivotal she was. And for me,

my monk teachers you met Radhanath

Swami. Yeah. When when he came to my

studio in Jamaica came over a couple of

years back.

Amazing. And you met him and meeting him

was so pivotal to my whole spiritual

journey. Yeah, look at this, man. Look

at this, man. Come on. Yeah. That's

Radhi's genius. She's

She's She's super smart when it comes to

figuring out how to help people. But I

was going to ask you I mean talking

about kids picking their parents. Noah

picked you? Yeah, he did.

Talk talk to us about how fatherhood has

transformed your views on the learning

experience of what you've learned from

fatherhood that you couldn't have

learned from anything else. Well, when

you have a kid and you see them and they

look like you and they look like their

mom, you see that they smile like you or

smile like her how you know, you see all

these things and you realize, okay, and

then they kind of look like

my brother and they kind of look like

her granddad and her you know, all these

different family members, right? And

you're like, this is really crazy and

he'll do something that is like

reminiscent of what you used to do,

right? So, then I realized that, okay,

the DNA is like a computer.

It's information that gets passed on

on and on and on, right? So, you're

really the culmination of a whole

lineage, right? In in you. So,

one of the things that I learned from

him

cuz there are times in my life where I'm

like, man, I wish I could talk to my

grandma. You know, my grandma was a

female black captain in World War II,

man. She was crazy. She was an

incredible. And like I my or my

granddad, they met in World War II,

right? Or like I wish I could like I'll

be like, man, I wish I could like speak

to them or like get advice from them

now, you know?

Wow.

I've only known them as a little kid and

then I realized that the information is

already in me. All I have to do is just

go deeper within

and really it with that. And that's

something that I learned from my son

being born.

Somehow that clicked is like

he is the culmination of our lineage.

All the DNA from my side, from his mom's

side, and so on and so forth.

And he's he got he's got something

special going on. So, that's one thing I

learned. And another thing I learned is

to go back to the simplistic beauties of

life. We're on walks out in nature. He's

so fascinated with like

the flowers and the birds and like just

like oh this this or that or bug be, you

know. He's like

And it just is it giving me a whole new

excitement for that. Yeah. And I really

appreciate him for teaching me. I feel

like he's teaching me as much as we

teach him.

I feel like he's teaching all of us a

lot as well. And he's also teaching all

of us that like

hey

we can be happy right now. He's he's

like even if he's like distraught or

something, he'll go do something and be

happy right there. He chooses it and I

love that. Man, I'm so glad I asked you

asked you that question because I knew

you'd have such a deep answer for it.

Like your answer the first part of it

the idea that

your child has all of that within. Like

you were just saying you wish you could

talk to your grandparents.

Yeah. Which I wish I could interview

your grandparents. I mean, that sounds

like a phenomenal Yeah, thank you.

journey and story to hear about it. And

I want to know how much more you know

about what they did or how much you

don't. Mhm. But I love the idea that we

actually have it encapsulated within us.

Mhm. Like it's coded in us.

It is.

And even if we're unaware of it. And I

was

talking to a researcher the other day. I

was doing some research for my next

book. And she was talking to me. We were

finding this research that was talking

about how when kids are told their

ancestral stories

Mhm. they have a much deeper sense of

belonging. Yeah. And so the reason why

so many of us feel so lost today is

we've never told deep stories

Mhm. about where our parents come from,

where our grandparents come from, what

they went through. Not in a way to make

us feel like a victim or a feel at a

disadvantage, but to hear a story from

the perspective of this is your

heritage.

Yeah. And then you feel like you belong

to something so much more bigger and

beyond you. Mhm. Whereas most of us are

just like, oh yeah, I'm from West

Hollywood or whatever, right? It's like

it's such a like, you know, it's like a

it's like a temporary residence.

But like when you know you belong to

something eternal, like I was talking to

the researcher, I was saying that in my

life

the things that have helped me the most

when I'm going through a tough time, a

difficult time, a a real low Mhm. is

recognizing that I'm part of a

5,000-year-old tradition. So when I'm

repeating the Gita, which is a

5,000-year-old scripture, which is the

text I learned as a monk

Mhm. when I realize I'm connected to

that lineage

I feel unstoppable. Yeah. Because I'm

like that survived for 5,000 years, I'm

going to be all right. Like I'm going to

be okay.

Right. Whereas when you just think like,

oh man, I've, you know, I've just been

on the planet for like 30 years and I'm

trying to figure it out, it it can feel

quite uncomfortable. Facts. And so I

love what you're saying that actually

inside your son Noah there is the coding

Yeah. of his grandparents

It is in all of us. It's like time

traveling. People always try and figure

out how to preserve themselves. You know

this expression, oh I'm living through

my kids or I'm living you that's real. I

realized how much power these simple

expressions have. Tell me more, I like

this. Like communication can save a

nation or like, you know, but like yeah,

I really feel like

we always try and think like oh there's

not enough time, there's not enough

time. There's a real

real real truth to I'm living through my

kids or whoever whoever you choose to. I

don't even think it has to be your kids.

I think that

your blood, your lineage, it's like you

really are

you really do time travel, you know? A

thousand years from now, there may be

some

descendants that look like us. Mhm. You

know, or like slight You know, you'll be

like, "Oh, you You know, I I look like

my dad's dad."

You do? Yeah.

Yeah. I've never met him, you know? He

unfortunately passed, you know, when I

was super little, and I never even met

him. But, he's a part of me, too. And I

think that's also why it's important to

work on yourself and to heal

certain traumatic experiences because

with all this information we pass on,

you also pass on

the the good and the bad, you know what

I mean? So,

you know, you you heal

things health-wise and you heal things

traumatic-wise, you know, or

trauma-wise, and

you know, it's really important to work

on yourself physically, mentally,

emotionally, and spiritually because you

pass on all of that Mhm. as well. Just

because you understand something doesn't

mean you have to accept it. And that's

something that I had to learn the hard

way. When you feel like you're all over

the place and things aren't happening,

sometimes you just need a little bit of

structure and strategy to jump-start it

and build a foundation to build on. You

do have to set your boundaries and

respect who you are because you will

lose a sense of yourself by trying to

take care of everyone else. You will

lose a sense of yourself if you don't

set these boundaries. That's what's so

interesting, right? Like, within you you

have the coding of the greatness Yeah.

and the heritage, and you have the

coding of Yeah.

the unhealed generational trauma that

keeps being passed down. What was What

was something you had to look at

in your background and past

generationally, traumatically

that wasn't healed that you were like,

"I'm not going to pass this to Noah.

Like, this has to stop this time."

Wow, so many things. So many like

uh

worry one thing. I used to worry so

much, create all of these scenarios in

my head.

And I think that's like a double-edged

sword, you know, when you have an

imagination

and you're creative, you create, right?

So, you can create good, you could

create bad, but there there the one of

the experience that life has taught me

is to never worry.

No matter what, you're going to be fine,

you know? I think one of my biggest

fears used to be like, what if I lose

everything, right? And what if I have to

go back to,

you know, growing up in Detroit in the

hood, blah, blah, blah, and I and then

it's just like, well, I was I could I

was happy there, too. Like, I shouldn't

be scared to lose any of this stuff

because this stuff is conditional.

And it's like, I'm going to be good

wherever I'm at. I remember when I

talked to Sadhguru, I was like, "Where's

your favorite place in the world?" He's

like, "Wherever I'm at." And I was like,

"Damn."

You know? So, it kind of goes back to

that that like, that's one of the things

I don't want to pass on to my son. I was

like, "You never have to worry, you

know? And you know, you could you could

be fueled, you could let something

inspire you to be greater, you could let

something light a fire under you, but

like, don't ever worry because you

have what it takes to to get to wherever

you got to get to, you know?"

Yeah, yeah. How do How do How do you

kind of imprint that in a young child?

Like, how how do you You do you imprint

that in a young child by building up his

confidence. Mhm. And that's one of the

things I love about my boy is like, he's

so confident. He's like,

you know, I never am like, that's

something that I want to keep feeding

him. Um,

even on the song I wrote about him on my

album, I said, "I see my inner child in

him is still the remnants. Will he lose

it to the world is it imminent, or is it

something that me and his mom have

instilled in him? And the confidence you

lose, you could build again." Oh, so

so good.

Yeah, and

like, I would just want to water that.

I think that when I was kid my my mom

and my dad came up in like a civil

rights moment in the country. Like my

mom had to drink from like a different

water fountain.

You know, my my family has been through

a lot.

My mom's great aunt, who was like a old

woman

my mom would go visit her in North

Carolina, was born a slave. So, that

just goes to show you how close that

that lineage is, too, right? It's like

it kind of feels like it's so far away,

but it's not.

She was an old woman and my mom was a

baby, but my mom is alive now, so the

connection of that is like few and far

between. My point being is that

my mom and my dad did the best that they

could, but they came from a era where

they had to really be

don't be too loud, be controlled, don't

do get out of line. Like, you know, my

mom would be like, "When you get pulled

over, like make sure your hat is off and

like you they see your face and you be

respectful." And

and I think there's a lot to that, but

it was it was coming from a little bit

of a of a fear-based place sometimes.

And that's something that I've

recognized and that's something that my

mom has helped me recognize, too,

through all of the knowledge she's given

me and my dad. But, like

one of the things I want to pass on to

him is that like be confident in who you

are because you have what it takes. He

has you could already tell he has a

great heart. He has a great spirit. He

loves making trying to make people

laugh, you know. Not even at 2 years

old, he was like before like 1 year old

like telling, you know, trying to like

make you smile and it's just like

just want to keep watering that

confidence in him, you know. Yeah, yeah.

And and that confidence kind of talks

nicely to the second practice in your

book. You talk about strategizing. And

I love that you went there because I

think a lot of people see spirituality

and strategy as opposite opposites or Or

separate them. Right. And I know we've

always vibed on the fact that to me they

go hand in hand.

Absolutely.

Because strategy is just intentionality

in action. What's right. Right? Like

that's that's what it is. Strategy is

intent intentionality in action. I love

that.

Right. Yeah, so you have intention and

then you get activated around an

intention and that's how you strategize.

But I think often people think strategy

has to be conniving or like some sort of

manipulation or

Right. But but that's not what you mean.

So when you say we need to get

strategic,

Mhm. how do we build the skill of

becoming strategic and what does it

mean? Well, I think you recognize like

you said is just um strategy to me

is the key to

getting is is one of the keys to move

from where you are to where you

have to be because you identify

where you desire to be because you

identify so much and you get to

you get to research, you get to plot and

plan. Nothing you know, nothing

that is really amazing in life

is uh

doesn't come without a plan. You know

what I mean? Uh there are a lot of

spontaneous things and I do believe in

the energy of spontaneity and like but

uh strategizing to me is so important

and there's so many ways to do it, you

know, you could like study someone

from afar. That's kind of one of the

beauties of the internet is like you can

kind of study and know someone you

really respect or you may have someone

in your family or you may have someone

in your neighborhood or you may have

someone but even say it's someone from

across the world that you really

respect, you can study a lot of their

um what they have put out in the world

and sometimes that's all you need. There

have been times where when you get to

know someone fully, you might get let

down a little bit. Yeah. It's like cuz

you have all these expectations and you

meet them and it's like wait, what? You

know, but I think

there comes again the power of

separation. Like, you got to separate

that and

you know, so I know I'm talking a lot,

but I do think Yeah, I do think that

like strategizing

uh is a real key to uh happiness, you

know? And strategy It doesn't have to be

like a deep thing. Strategizing could

just be as simple as

writing your intentions down,

strategizing your day, how are you going

to approach this? I always like, before

I get into a studio session or anything,

I always like meditate and I write down

what I would like to

experience in the session, you know?

What am I What would I like to get done?

How would that feel? And I kind of lock

onto that feeling before I go and do do

what I got to do. Yeah, I'm glad that

you pointed out that strategizing is

starts with studying

Mhm.

because then it becomes you study

something and then you apply it and

that's what strategy is. You study it

first and then you apply it and and I

was thinking about it as you were saying

like strategizing your day, I was

thinking about if you think about New

York, it's a grid system. That's a

strategy.

It's a strategy. Like, that's what it

is. If you look at If you travel to

Europe, you'll see there was a strategy

in how towns were built where like the

church would be in the middle of the

town.

Exactly.

river flowing through the middle.

There'd be a bridge over the river.

There was a strategy in how it was built

in order to create an experience of the

city and I feel

you know, that's what it is. It's

thinking about your life and thinking,

what are the pillars and priorities in

my life? Yeah.

Like like what are the things that are

like almost like building a city?

Exactly.

Right? Because okay, well, a city needs

a fire station cuz sometimes there's

going to be a fire.

Right.

It needs a school because I need to

learn. It needs a hospital because

sometimes you're going to get ill. Like,

what does a city need? And you got to

look at your life in the same way and go

Exactly.

life need?

that's exactly what your life needs, a

structure. Yes. You know,

you feel like you're all over the place

and things aren't happening, sometimes

you just need a little bit of structure

and strategy to jump-start it and build

a foundation to build on, you know? So,

that's a perfect analogy.

Yeah. What was the best strategy you

ever built to achieve something in your

life? What example would you give from

your own journey? When were you most

strategic effectively? Mhm. There have

been times where

I was very strategic and times where I

wasn't. And

um one of the times in my life where

strategy really helped out was just like

I would say securing my first record

deal. I always knew I would get a record

deal. I would talk about it frequently

with my friends in eighth grade. I would

talk about when I Hey, when I sell out

the

this the this the when I was when I sell

out the Palace of Auburn Hills, all

these things that I did ended up doing

later. I just knew it was going to

happen. I just didn't know how.

And you We all know that like you can

make plans and God laughs at it, but I

really feel like when your heart's in

the right place and you have the

intentions

and you put a little bit of strategy to

it, okay, like

one of the things that I always wanted

to do is like, okay, how can I

get on the radio? You know, how can I be

How can I How can I be on the radio?

Then I

you know, did some homework and my

friend Oh, there's a radio show where

you can battle rap and end up rapping on

the radio.

You know, and people would Okay, that's

a way to get on the radio. So, how do I

get down there? Okay.

Oh, so I need a ride down there. I would

like plan out every aspect. I need to

get make sure I have a ride to get to

the radio station to be able to battle

rap. Okay, I need to plan I need to

write a rap for the when I get on the

radio so I have something to rap over.

You know, and so it's like you

strategize every aspect of it. And it

can be fun.

Strat It doesn't have to feel like

homework. It don't got to feel like

schoolwork. None of us want to do more

work. In fact, when you strategize, you

probably are eliminating a lot of work,

a lot more work. Don't get fooled

thinking that like you're getting ahead

by not doing the work. I'm telling you

when you strategize and plan things out,

you're eliminating hours

of work. So, that is the reason

you know, a lot of us may not have time

to read this book. You think like I

don't have time to read a book. I'm

telling you like reading a book, not

just my book, but a book that impacts

you, saves time. It doesn't take time.

Oh, I I'm I'm so glad you said that

because

Yeah. that's all it does. All it does

when you're learning, all it does is

save time. It stops you from making

mistakes. It helps you avoid the ones

that someone else made before you.

You'll probably make some new mistakes

for sure.

Yeah, of course.

but but you'll avoid so many. And I

loved what you said, the way you broke

it down like ultimately strategizing is

building steps to that goal. And you're

trying to break it down to the step that

I can do today and now that is small and

easy all the way up. And I love the way

you work backwards where it's like all

right, I want to be on the radio. All

right, let me break that down way a

minute. That means I need to go this.

That means I need to do this. That means

first I need to do this. Okay, that

means right now I just need to do this.

And I think sometimes we live

on level 21 of where we want to go,

but then we haven't got the elevator

down to level zero to go up, right? Like

we're just Our mind is in level 21. And

we get so mad that we're not on level

21. And I'm and I'm a I'm a victim of

that and I think that you know, I've

I've gone through experience I'm not a

victim. I have done that before. I've

experienced that. So, I know how

frustrating it could be,

but

don't let it stress you. Unless you let

it unless it's you stress. There's

distress and then there's you stress and

that you stress can motivate you. It

really can. It could light a fire under

you go through it. Distress can kind of

weigh you down. So, you have the power

to take any aspect, even depression, and

let it either weigh you down or let it

fuel you. You know what I mean? So,

yeah, I think that I know it's a lot of

people frustrated. I get frustrated

still. I'm nowhere near perfect. I'm not

talking to you as an expert in any way,

shape, or form. I'm literally talking to

you as a reflection of you and someone

who has gone through these experiences

and have just like and giving the game

that I've learned, you know, in straight

black and white and examples of how I've

done it, you know? So,

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. What you've gave

us an idea of when you were strategic.

What was What was the time when you were

chaotic?

All right? So, there are times where

yeah, I've let things go.

Um

I didn't strategize like There's always

things you haven't thought about that

you got to come back to later. Like when

I had a fell out with some family

members like even my mom, our

relationship got tainted for a long

time.

And it was like I was not calling her. I

was not checking in. I wasn't doing

anything that a son and now having a

son, I really feel the the the depth of

that. You know what I'm saying?

And I didn't I could have strategized

that better. You know what I mean? I

could have strategized a lot of things

better and you always have 20/20 in

hindsight.

Totally. Totally. Totally. No, and and I

agree. It's It's just good to know

because

yeah, it's the same for me and I love

how you said that strategy is also

sometimes with people. Mhm. You know,

like we we say the wrong thing at the

wrong time. Or you say the right thing

but at the wrong time. Or you say the

right thing but in the wrong way. Or you

say the right thing but in the wrong

place. Or you say the right thing and

you know, to the wrong person, right?

Yeah. It's like it has to be strategic.

It does.

Because otherwise it's not digested. We

just think as long as I'm saying the

right thing

Mhm. everything will be okay. Yeah.

But if you say the right thing in the

wrong place to the wrong person at the

wrong time in the wrong way with the

wrong word, the wrong language, it

doesn't matter how true the thing you

said was. And that's what strategy is is

going, wait, how do I make sure this

lands? Wow.

Like what what is it what is required

for this to actually have an impact on

someone and to serve them and help them?

Yeah, and that's what we're here to do

is to serve really in every aspect. It's

always comes down to being of service,

you know? And anything we put out there

in any interview, in any book, in any

song, it's really of service to whatever

the moment it relates to, you know what

I mean? So

Yeah and that Yeah, you're right saying

the right thing to the wrong and the

thing is you're kind of the only one who

can dictate

you know, right and wrong is so

opinionated depending on who you talk

to. For sure. You know, there are a lot

of people who think that

you know, any anything that we could

think is wrong, somebody could argue how

it's right, you know? Even down to black

and white, somebody can argue that this

text that says the exact same thing

means this thing and or this means that

thing.

Mhm. You know, so I think it's important

to

come from a place of understanding. Mhm.

And this leads to something else I want

to talk about because

just because you understand something

doesn't mean you have to accept it. Ooh.

Just because you understand it and

that's something that I had to learn the

hard way. I thought that I was being

this spiritual guy by if I get into a

disagreement with someone, understanding

where they come from. And then

ultimately

turns to me not respecting myself. Mhm.

Because I'll understand where they're

coming from and be like, okay, like I

get it. But if the fact that I still get

it, it doesn't mean that I can't express

myself and I'm not valid.

Yes. So I I to make sure that everyone

knows that because

I think that that was something that I

learned is to set boundaries.

And that's like that big B word.

That's like the biggest B word there is

is boundaries that I've learned this

year and like that has really really

really changed

a lot of dynamics with people and it

changed

uh a lot of uh it's it's really created

a lot of happiness in my life. Mhm. Why

did boundaries become so prominent in

the last years you said? I think I was

trying to be a hero in every situation I

was in. I'm such an empathetic person so

I love to

I really can feel when people are going

through something even when the world is

going through something it's like I kind

of really have to like really protect

myself energetically because I take on a

lot of people's problems. You know what

I'm saying? I can't help it. And it's

not a good I don't look at it as a bad

thing. I just look at it as how I am.

You know, um do I wish sometimes that I

could just cut things off? Yeah, but

it's it's taught me that I can. I just

have to set boundaries on what I can and

can't accept. And this year

yeah, there are a lot of things that

I was tired of feeling uncomfortable in

certain situations. I was tired of

letting people walk all over me.

And just because I understood or I get

it I'm not respecting myself.

And I didn't realize that I wasn't

respecting myself in that. You know,

there are times where yeah, I need to I

can't go to this thing. I can't do this

or you know what? I can't go here. I

can't go

to Dubai and do this show because I have

to be here for my son. I got to take my

son trick or treating. You know, I had

to set some of those boundaries

that may have cost me one thing but I

gained another. And one of the most

important things I gained uh back from

setting boundaries is the trust in

myself. You know, the confidence that I

feel like I have been building up so for

so long. Yeah, and I think

we're scared of setting boundaries

because we are scared of what we lose

when we do. I know.

And it could be FOMO, it could be

you know, the fear of becoming

irrelevant, the fear of becoming

insignificant, the fear

of losing a person.

of losing a person.

But

I I learned that, too. I remember a time

in my life where I had so much

compassion fatigue where I just felt

like

I was there for everyone else, but I had

no

And when I say income, I don't mean

financially, I mean there was no energy

income coming in.

And you were just a piece of you. You

were just a part of you at that point.

Exactly. And you're just

And it's what you just said. You're

trying to be a superhero and you're

trying to be

the guy. Not in a egotistic way. You

actually just care about people.

For real. But I realized very, very

quickly at that time that unless I was

full, rested, complete you know, I

wasn't actually able to help anyone. I

was just giving people my leftovers.

Yeah. And not the best of myself.

And how do you enjoy it? And you got to

enjoy your life, too.

Totally. Totally. And And I just found

that what what really helped me

was remembering that

I

didn't have enough to give anyone else

if I wasn't in a good place myself.

Period.

And that didn't mean I wanted to get to

a good place just for myself. The reason

I wanted to get to a good place is so I

could give more good to others. Mhm. And

therefore there had to be a structure.

There had to be an order of, all right,

well, I need to take care of myself.

Right.

to be full. I need to be ready, and then

I can extend myself. But if I keep

extending myself to everyone else,

chances are I get bitter at them. I'll

get mad at myself, and then I won't have

anything to give. Yeah, that's right.

Right. Yeah, and it just it's it's an

interesting one, boundaries, because I

feel like

I think we also think we set boundaries

for other people, but we do it for

ourselves.

We do it for ourselves.

Because people always be like, "Oh, this

person is breaking my boundaries." And

I'm like, "Well, no, you keep breaking

your boundaries."

Exactly.

Right?

No, yes. It's you know, it's like

the boundaries, forgiveness, they're not

just there for you, you know?

Forgiveness is for you as well, and

boundaries are

for you as well. Yeah, it's been tough.

I think that I grew up letting people

walk all over me. I think I grew up by

letting people take advantage of me,

straight up, you know?

Just to be real. Um and I saw that in my

parents,

especially my dad. He let He would let

people take advantage of him. He was a

very nice guy.

And there's nothing, like I said, right

or wrong. It's an opinion, you know?

It's just a perspective.

So, it's I'm not criticizing him or

saying he was wrong in any way. It's

just the kind-spirited, hearted person

he is. But along with that, you do have

to set your boundaries and respect who

you are, because you will lose a sense

of yourself by trying to take care of

everyone else. You will lose a sense of

yourself if you don't set these

boundaries. You will lose a sense of

yourself if you don't take the time out

to keep connecting with yourself.

Yeah. Even if it's something you love. I

lost like the passion of like watching

anime. I remember when I was working so

hard. It's like I hadn't sat and watched

anime. I love watching anime. I love

Dragon Ball Z. I love like

My Hero Academia, Demon Slayer, and

Evangelion, and all these things. And

that's just one thing that I love,

right? So, it's like I have to take time

out to do that because it is really

important to me. Yeah. So,

I know all of us have demands. Some of

us have family. Some of us work two

jobs, three jobs. Some of us

and you say it's impossible, but I'm

telling you, if you

make that time,

you will create more time to be the

better version of yourself in any of

those situations. I promise you. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. The other thing

that

really helped me as a boundary, and this

doesn't apply if something's

life-threatening or urgent.

Mhm. But sometimes someone would call me

up and be like, "Oh, I had a fight with

my wife. I had a fight with my husband."

And my natural inclination was to like

fix it. So like, "Yeah, let's jump on

the phone. I'm going to help you through

it right now."

Because that's how you were as a

10-year-old.

Because that's how I was as a

10-year-old.

Yeah, and so on and so forth. Yeah, go

ahead though. And then I realized that

actually my new response started to be

"Yeah, let's talk in 3 days."

And the reason was A because maybe I had

stuff on and I couldn't run to it. Like

I said, it doesn't apply to

life-threatening.

Of course. Of course.

If someone calls me and goes, "I got to

go to the hospital." Obviously, I'm

going to be there. But if someone's

saying, "Hey, this happened. That

happened."

I realized I may not be in a position to

quit everything in my life to go and be

on this call.

And those 3 days, that person actually

had to do some processing for

themselves.

And when I was just jumping on the phone

with them trying to save and solve their

problem, I was actually just enabling

them to not have to process it

themselves. So most people in 3 days

would say to me, they'd text me and go,

"Jay, actually I think I figured it

out."

Exactly.

be like, "Great. I'd love to hear it.

Let's jump on a call."

And now they'd talk to me and be like,

"Look, I thought about it. You know,

they said this. I said that. But I've

You know, and it's It just showed me

that so much of the time we think we're

saving people, we're actually just

enabling them. And every time we think

we're going to solve their problem,

we're actually just creating more issues

for them because

everyone needs to learn to process

mentally and emotionally themselves.

Wow. And so sometimes like jumping in to

help someone, you actually end up

hurting them. Wow, man.

Because It's a big one.

Yeah, cuz they need to do it themselves.

And so sometimes I had to set that

boundary with myself. It wasn't like I

don't want to be there for my friend or

a family member. I just realized being

there for them meant not being there

right now.

Mhm. And they didn't know that, but then

when I saw them benefit from it, I

realized that actually space sometimes

gave them what they needed more than my

words could.

Yeah, because it goes back to that what

we were talking about. A lot of the

answers are in you.

You know, a lot of the the the

things you're looking for, the

resolutions, they are in you and

sometimes it may take a little while to

rise to the surface and sometimes

they'll figure out, but one of the worst

things you could do is impact somebody

in the moment of them being emotional or

in the moment of rage or in the you

know, influencing them. It could it

could you could really ruin something,

you know, because you're feeding off of

their emotions. It's like

Yeah, yeah, I should I should just

leave. Yeah, you should just leave. Like

instead of just being like, "Hey, take

some time to you know, talk through it,

you know?" It's really that's a that's a

real important great lesson, man. Yeah,

it's it's helped me a lot.

Mhm. That's a great way of of um

of exercising boundaries. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. What What other daily habits

You talked about journaling and

meditation in the book and I want to

talk about both of them.

Mhm. Because I think they're talked

about a lot today, but I want to hear

about your deep specific habits and how

it's become such a ritual for you. So,

let's start with journaling. Like

obviously you're a writer. All right.

Anyway, Doesn't make it easier, I would

say.

yeah,

I was going to say like what's different

about writing music, writing the book

versus journaling? Like Oh, completely

different. So, music, I don't even like

I kind of just like when I get in the

studio, I kind of just let it flow

through me and I learned that from like

Kanye and Jay-Z and Common. Um

Now, there are a lot of people who do

write on pads like Eminem, you know,

who's

amazing to me and a lot of people I

know, but how I do it personally is I

just kind of like feel through it and

let it stream to me and I like go on the

mic and like

not necessarily freestyle it, but yeah,

just piece it together. You got to come

for a session one day, but then when it

comes to journaling,

that's my time where I put like my

sword, you know, your pen is like your

sword to paper

and

you are setting your strategizing and

you're setting your

intentions of, you know, things you may

would like to experience, but I also

like to do like gratitude. For some

reason, gratitude just seems to

magnetize

more of the things

um that I'm thankful for in my life.

Um I've seen it work in a lot of ways

and that's my belief, you know, so the

things that you are grateful for, you

have to let the world know that you're

grateful for because how else is it

going to know to give it back to you,

you know, or to bring it to you or to to

the people around you and um it also is

a great way for me to, you know, and I I

practice I am. There's so much power, so

I am grateful. I am this. I am happy. I

am confident. I am

happy that I get to sit down

and talk to my friend Jay today, you

know, I'm I'm happy I get to

whatever the case is, right? So that's

what I do and then at the end of it of

the the journal of the when I do the

gratitude stuff. And there are other

times where I write how I feel, not as

much. I also speak out loud by myself.

You know, there are a lot of processes I

do, but when I do that journal, I sign

it at the at the bottom of it

like a contract and I like I sometimes I

put it is done or I put like so be it

because it's a declaration

when I do that.

And I sign it because it's that

important to me. I have to sign my

contracts. I have to sign things that

will be upheld as an important thing.

And that's how the level of importance

even more

that I hold that to. So, I sign it every

time. That is so good, man. I've never

heard that before. I'm going to start

doing that.

It's powerful. Yeah, I've never signed

it. That's dope.

It's powerful. And Jada, does everything

I write down come to fruition? No.

Sometimes it does. A lot of them do. And

then I realize that I am also on God's

time. So, the things that I've always

wanted, the things that I've desired, it

may not just be the right Yeah. moment

in my journey for that. But, that's the

beauty of it, man. I'm like

I'm still here. I'm still able. I'm

still inspired. I'm still

passionate, you know? Beautiful.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, that's how I

That's how I do my journaling.

I also have like a There's a book I have

of like poetry, too, that I like write

poems and stuff.

I've only I only write a few a year,

honestly. But, like I'll like

fully write and draw around the poem and

like

It's really like a beautiful art. It's

just some Something I do for fun. I I

haven't actually I've only written one

this year. And last year I wrote a few.

So, maybe I'll Maybe it'll inspire me to

write one today. But, that's kind of all

it is. But, I don't spend too much time

on it. Mhm. Takes me about

5 to 12 minutes.

That's great, man.

max. And then I meditate after that cuz

it kind of like it's kind of like a good

transition to like the energy is set for

me to like to meditate cuz when I

meditate, I feel like I'm attracting

these things more and giving myself the

best shot of being the most productive,

the most um impactful that I can be.

Mhm. You know? So, that's that's kind of

the first thing I do when I wake up, if

I can.

Being a dad, though, there are times

where I get I get woken up and I have to

go immediately, you know? And I so I

come back to it later on. It's not

preferred that way, but

it's a good trade-off.

Yeah.

What does your meditation look like? I

love because I've learned so much just

in how you journal. I've never heard so

be it it is done Mhm. or or the

signature at the end. I'm going to start

practicing those three. I like those a

lot.

Yeah, because it's that important. I

That That is beautiful, man. Like I get

that. Like what you just said about we

sign contracts, sign checks. Like

there's very few things we still sign.

Exactly, right? And they are supposed to

important things.

Yeah, they're important documents, and

that is an important document, too.

that. And then so what about your

meditation? What does your practice look

like for meditation? It depends. I love

doing guided meditation sometimes. Um I

love doing

I kind of have my own process where I

like and visualize the light of

creation, like the the light of the sun,

and it like really filling my whole body

up, and literally

everything that doesn't align with that,

anything that isn't that light and

bright, you know what I'm saying,

immediately leaves my body and goes back

into the earth, and like

so, you know, there are times where I I

if I'm not in nature, I imagine myself

in nature, and like things going back

into the earth, and I like surround

myself

you know, from my I forgot the word the

esoteric body. I think it's like 1 in

off you, then your emotional body, then

your mental body,

and like I just do the same thing. Like

it's like a shower of light. It's like

hopping in the shower after you work

out, like all but of light. And whatever

it it is, I kind of like cater to how

I'm feeling. So, from there I'll like if

I have like something wrong with my

stomach, I'll like for some reason I

associate green with healing energy,

right? And this comes from years of like

practice, or I associate royal blue with

power, you know, the power of the

universe. I associate like

uh red with the love of the universe,

the love and support of the universe,

and like I represent like the violet

flame of Saint Germain like to cleanse

things that are holding me back. Wow.

Right? So, I do I have like quite a

process and I break it down in the book.

And afterwards, I feel just it really

makes a big difference.

And you know, I read this book The

Hidden Messages in Water, I believe it's

called.

And it talked about

you know, there's like itty-bitty

microscopic crystals in water. And

they one of the part of the book they

experiment of like

how positively when you speak to water

like hey, you're amazing. I love you.

Keep going. Like you're beautiful. And

then they had another

water glass or container of water where

they said like you suck. It's never that

you know, real negative. And you look at

the crystals and one is like a beautiful

snowflake looking crystal and then the

other one is like

distorted and all damaged.

And we are 70 80% water. So, these

things when you write these affirmations

down or when you say them out loud or

when you journal, these things have a

real effect on you tremendously. Like

scientifically. It's not even like a

woo-woo type of thing. It's not even

like it's not even up for debate. You

know what I'm saying? It's literally

scientific for the people who are more

you know, need the proof as opposed to

it you know, more analytical than like

opinion based. So,

I just want to stress the importance of

it. It really is. And by the way, the

most the most honorable people that I've

met and like what I consider to be

successful and I don't mean riches. I

just mean successful in like the impact

what they're doing, how they are. Yeah.

They meditate. They all, you know, from

my favorite rappers down to my favorite

down to you, you know, down to anyone

who I just really admire. Yeah, yeah,

Yeah, and they and and and and and you

can meditate in your own ways.

They're like, I know like Janelle does

different meditations, you know, through

sound healing or mirror meditations. I

know people who do shower meditations,

walking.

There's no wrong way to meditate,

either. That's another misconception.

There's no wrong way to do it. The fact

that you take the intention out, or if

you focus on your breathing, the fact

that you take the the time out to be

that conscious of yourself, over time

you will get more and more into it. It's

like anything you do, and it will you

will see the effects of it. Yeah. What

was uh What was Have you ever meditated

with another rapper that was interesting

or anything like that? Like Anyone that

had an interesting practice that I

wouldn't know about? Does Eminem

meditate?

You know what? I have never meditated

with Eminem, but he is a very

Eminem is a very like

amazing person, so I wouldn't be

surprised. I know Jay-Z does. Wow. I

haven't meditated with him, but I know

he does.

Yeah.

And you know, there are all different

ways and forms. You know, sometimes just

sitting and visualizing and like seeing

these things

is a form of meditation. Could be your

way. So, you have to find out these ways

that work for you. Just like therapy,

it's like I can't I can tell you how

therapy worked for me, but you may go to

a therapist that isn't right for you and

be like, "Oh, therapy is whack." But

that's not That's just, you know, my

specific situation. A lot of times

therapy for me has pushed me to the edge

of realization and has been the extra

push that I needed to Sometimes I

already knew the answer, but sometimes I

needed to talk it through, and sometimes

I needed to really exercise, and

sometimes I did learn something new that

awakened the truth in me um through

therapy and having someone that I could

confide in that wasn't a family member,

that wasn't a best friend, that wasn't a

that I wasn't in a relationship with and

was able to apply it to to of those

other relationships and in in a very

successful way. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I

mean, in the book you talk about how I

think it was like in 2016,

you said you nearly got addicted to

Adderall when you were touring with

Rihanna. Uh-huh. And I was thinking

like, how do you stop yourself? Like, in

that moment, like what was the habit or

the tool or the practice? Was it

therapy? Was it meditation? What was it

that

helped you recover from that?

Man, so first of all, Adderall is like

synthetic

you know, I don't know. They say like

heroin. All these things, right? Like,

it's a lot to it.

And I'm really into Eastern medicine,

personally, you know? I I used to have

heart of real bad heart problem that I

fixed through literally taking magnesium

and some other supplements that a doctor

told me that I had to get surgery for.

They told me they had to cut my heart

open and put a pacemaker in it, you

know?

So,

when I started taking Adderall, it's

because

I was putting myself on a clock that

didn't exist.

I was putting myself under pressure and

I was living in a fear-based way.

And I started taking Adderall because I

wanted to accomplish more.

And it was very

It worked, but at the expense of

so many things. I honestly the expense