All right, Alexander, we are here with

Matthew Erit joining us on the Duran

once again. Matt, how are you doing and

where can people follow your work? Oh,

it's always a pleasure. I'm I'm doing

okay and uh people can follow my work on

canadian.org

or risingtidefoundation.net.

>> All right, I will have those links in

the description box down below as well

as a pinned comment. So, Alexander Matt,

we got uh some interesting topics to to

get to. So, I'll pass it off to to you

gentlemen.

>> So, Ma Mast has been very very active

and very busy and you've been doing work

on um documentaries and articles.

Perhaps we could start by asking you to

tell us a little bit about those, Matt.

>> Most certainly. Yeah. My wife and I

recently unleashed a new documentary

called Black Sun Rising. uh just two 3

weeks ago and uh we accompanied that

with a special report a 200page

uh large scale booklet uh to just

accompany the documentary which deals

with the disturbing rehabilitation of

the figure of Adolf Hitler and Nazis

more generally amongst a big chunk a

growing array of the conspiracy-minded

community that we tend to interface with

who tend to think a little bit more

circumspect about the official

narratives of uh that that attempt to

explain big things in history. Um which

is useful to look for behind the scenes

for agendas behind assassinations,

revolutions and wars as we all know.

However, uh as my grandmother had once

said, if if you uh

allowed your mind to open too much, your

brains could fall out. And sometimes I

think that there's a a space for Trojan

horses as people begin to doubt official

narratives. They throw the baby out with

the bath water. increasingly whether

it's through Nick Fuentes and his uh

provocator nature but the narratives

he's been putting out over the past few

years consistently portraying Hitler as

the uh the hero of World War II or the

Europa films which have been

increasingly I mean these went quite

viral again showing a certain degree of

unacceptable truths about uh what caused

World War II but then infusing a lot of

Trojan horse to again make Hitler seem

like the good guy and that the the real

bad guy was the uh was Stalin and the

Russians. And we've seen this again and

again, but it's becoming more and more

popular. Um

increasingly also Templarism, this idea

of a new crusader idea to bring back the

the ethic of uh of the of the lost

masculinity which woke doctrines have

have washed away in our feminized

society. And now we need to bring back

man men's masculinity for for the you

know the new the new nationalism of

whether it's in Europe or whether it's

in the United States and all of this. I

just smell reeks of the type of

propaganda and hypnotic inductions

imposed onto the German people in the

years leading up to Hitler's acquisition

of power. And uh and so we decided to

make this documentary to really just

showcase well what was really

um what was Nazism really all about? Uh

what what allowed this to rise? is what

allowed the culture to become so

radicalized both on the left and on the

the right alike that created this schism

out of which the synthesis of uh of

Nazism could be introduced funded by

those same Wall Street and London

financiers and backers that uh continued

to exert great influence over the world

after World War II was finished and and

still to this very day. So, you know, it

was it's a fun exercise.

>> So, a few things here. I mean, I think I

think you're absolutely correct in

saying that there's been a a a great

flowering of what some people call

revisionist history, which can take many

forms about the 1930s and 1940s. Some of

it is valid historical research and

people looking and asking themselves

about a lot of the um estab you know the

establishment narratives that have

existed about the Second World War. a a

a comprehensive thorough history of the

Second World War, in my opinion, has

never been written because so much of

the archives relating to it have either

been lost or destroyed, purposefully

destroyed or remain closed. And

certainly in Britain, a lot of the

archives remained closed. And if we're

talking about Germany, the Germans

systematically destroyed their archives

as is well known amongst scholars in the

last months of the war. So, um, a huge

amount of material. I mean, uh, Hitler's

private archive, he destroyed himself,

for example. He the last few weeks he

went and took out all his papers from

his safe and he burnt them. So, there's

an awful lot we don't know. Um so c you

know looking trying to understand what

happened trying to understand the

interconnections of what took place that

is valid history and a lot of it is real

other parts of it are history that

clearly are based on some people's

agendas and I have to say that a lot of

what this so-called revisionist history

is all about is exactly what you said

trying to turn the story of the Second

World War completely upon its head. The

generation that lived through and fought

through the Second World War is now

either very old or dying. So, they're

not living witnesses in the way that

they used to be. And at a time when we

have a crisis with Russia,

I think that there are particular

attractions, as I said, to turning the

whole the whole thing the whole balance

round and to trying to find explanations

to this war which are not there. And as

you rightly say, some of it is very

attractive because it it opens the way

you the way you hook it in is by um

appealing to people who have critiques

and criticisms of certain established

realities, the power of you know finance

in the world today and those sort of

things. And you can argue and you know

there are some arguments that can

valably be made that some of the things

that happened in Germany in the 30s and

40s were antagonistic to that and people

use that fact as I said to to reshape

the whole discussion and the whole

understanding of what happened. So I

think we can we can talk about that but

actually even more interesting in my

opinion was what you said at the other

point which is that um it's useful to go

back still further and to look at the

shaping of thought in the late 19th and

early 20th century because this is the

time when intellectually speaking much

of the modern world, what we've come to

think of as the modern world was

created. The the period basically mostly

between about

1870

or so, maybe even 1850

and extending all the way up to 1950,

but especially the decades on either

side of the start of the 20th century.

And absolutely I mean um the movement

that you mentioned Nazi movement is

entirely a product of that time and it

draws on lots of ideas that were

floating around Europe in exactly that

period in Vienna in Paris in London

perhaps actually surprisingly a little

less in Berlin but in Berlin too in all

of these places and of course in New

York where um a lot of that was going

on. So shall shall we initially focus on

that and do you want to tell us a bit

about these intellectual roots

>> not just not just of Nazism but of the

comm

you do you got context right it's it's

everything

>> exactly yeah

>> and uh I think the what you've zeroed in

on is key the end of the 19th century

and uh the the battle over the two

identities that were very very in

opposition over what Germany would be

how it would define itself was very

important you had people like Ottawan

Bismar who was a great admirer of

Abraham Lincoln and and and spoke very

sorrowfully of of the death of Lincoln

and what that meant geostrategically for

the world because he was a part of a

broader international discussion that

was underway amongst statesmen in the

1864 1865 period over breaking free of

the system of British imperial

geopolitics

um you know that had done so much damage

to the world. Obviously the Creman war

was was an orchestration largely of

certain British and French imperialists

to suck in and weaken Russia in their

own wasting war leading up to the civil

war. But at the same time Britain had

exposed its hand in India really

carrying out vast

genocidal atrocities trying to put down

the the various up you know the 1855

uprising which was murderous what the

what the British did to put that down.

um you know the the opium wars were

still waging and people were beginning

to really wake up to the dis the

disgusting agendas behind what Britain

was really about both with the opium

wars in China at the same time you know

in the 1850s but into the 1860 period

but then also stimulating China's own

civil war the Taiping heavenly kingdom

which was all being um uh fueled by

manipulations sort of protocol color

revolutionary kind of manipulations

using the cover of of missionary groups,

Jesuitical groups inside of of southern

China organizing this civil war that was

weakening China on a on a number of

flanks and at the same time also you

know the awareness of Britain support

England's support for the Confederacy

was uh quite well known and uh we all

know the story of Russia coming in and

and saving the the day when the

Americans were at their weakest moment

in 18 1863 but there was what's little

less known and and the and Bismar was

privy to these discussions was Lincoln's

uh endorsement of the bearing straight

rail or actually of the bearing straight

telegraph lines of which there was a

congressional resolution passed in 1864

and December uh and there was a big

discussion around exporting this this uh

greenback system that Lincoln had

revived in the middle of the civil war

based upon building big projects for the

future the foundation upon which the

monetary system would be based through

the bearing straight into Russia.

The the German industrial faction, the

followers of Frederick Lists were

rallying heavy around heavily around

Bismar, who was working very hard to

keep Germany from falling into traps.

There were all sorts of of setups in the

1870s to to get Germany to fall into

into uh conflict with Russia and to

other, you know, other other neighboring

uh powers. Sidi Calnau uh the the

assassinated the president of France who

would soon be assassinated by an

anarchist uh in 1895. He was also very

closely aligned with this grouping

around Bismar who were trying very hard

to create a positive pro-industrial

Russia uh German US and also French to a

very degree alliance but then Bismar was

ousted you know um that that eliminated

a major figure behind the scenes who was

a diplomatic genius working to always

build back channel discussions and

negotiations. So with with him gone,

there wasn't a lot of leadership

available and traps that he would have

avoided began to get, you know,

[laughter]

the Germans began to trip over their

shoelaces as uh as worse and worse

decisions were made leading up to um an

absurd an completely absurd top that

Germany didn't even know about. and uh

and Bismar's enemies th those who were

more of the vaginarian

uh mindset, you know, were were

increasingly winning in their effort to

try to convince the German people that

our uh our true identity must be

involved with or must have something to

do with some form of uh rehabilitated

vulk spirit of the po pure pagan ethos

of the the you know the the Viking

the Viking pre-Christian spirit, maybe

with a little bit of a Christian veneer

on the surface to give it a bit of

civilization, but we have to touch back

into our our ancient heritage. And that

that grouping, which seemed fringe,

began to take more and more of a of a of

an active tone. And with World War I, a

complete trap set for the Germans and

the Russians, you know, completely,

there is no need for World War I to

happen. It was such a wasting absurd war

that destroyed the morale of so many of

the German people that accompanied the

the breaking of their economy with the

Versail debt treat debt repayments and

the the brutalization of what the

Germans had gone through under

Versailles and the the hyperinflation of

VHimar resulted and also the

assassinations, right? There was like

300 German leaders who were assassinated

from 1819 to 18 to sorry 19 199 to 1924.

Walter Henhau the the grandson or the

son of of Emil Henhau the great

industrialist and again Lincoln support

Lincoln promoter in in Germany in the

1890s his his son was a leading

industrialist who was working with the

Russians to create the Rapollo Accords

to break free of the Versail debt treaty

repayments in 1922. he was assassinated

and that would have resulted in in

Germany avoiding the hyperinflation and

the destruction by creating a special

positive friendship or relationship with

Russia. Uh that would have been a great

idea had it not been sabotaged. And that

whole organization of assassinations,

the organization console after it was

illegalized, it just changed its name

and became the paramilitary branch of

the SS or what became the SS a little

bit later on. and uh and you know the

Germans were going crazy and camel uh

Camela Harris even said in one of her

speeches during in 2024 something that

struck me uh this blabbering idiot. She

she rarely said things that were useful,

but this stood out when she described

how great German was, Berlin was in

1924, 25,26 because she said, "Look,

they were pro the most progressive

nation in the world. They drag shows in

every second bar. It was wonderful." And

then you couldn't have expected that

just in a few years the Nazis were going

to take over. of course inferring that

Magga was going to be the new Hitler uh

was the way she's framing it. But it's

true. Germany, the Germans, so many of

them did go crazy. And they were led to

believe that it was the belief in in

right and wrong moral values that caused

World War I to happen. And that if they

could just let go of those those

illusions of the nation state, of

nationalism, of male and female as

concepts, then we could just live and

let lived and everyone could just be the

hedenistic pure creature they were meant

to be. And sure enough, there were very

liberal drag shows and other things in

Germany in the 20s. And it did create a

disgust, a repulsion amongst many of the

more conservative-minded of the

population who were able to then be be

nudged into more radicalization as a

counter response to this disgusting

extreme left. And whenever you get

extremes, they tend to meet in some

convenient form of conflict, which is

exactly the type of thing that I think

was the the desired outcome by uh some

of the manipulators above the scenes

pushing to uh to create the more extreme

uh expression of of Germany with the

with the Nazis.

>> Indeed. Well, let's start with Bismar

because Bismar is somebody I've studied

extensively, by the way, and I know

quite a lot about him. So Bismar Bismar

um a lot of people have a very false

idea about Bismar. They imagine him as a

militaristic leader. He did in fact

fight and win in a very short period

between 1864 and 1873 wars. Um but as he

always made clear and he says this

clearly in his memoir the point about

those wars was to resolve the problem of

Germany which is very divided and very

unstable. He wanted to offense

essentially um create a Germany that was

stable and economically secure and

admittedly at the heart of Europe. Now

the point about Bismar and the secret of

his success

is he was both an extremely intelligent

man and a very much of a realist. He did

not like ideas that put at risk the

Germany that he created. And his whole

policy after 1870

for far the longest period of time that

he was chancellor of Germany was to

preserve peace in Europe. For him the

objective was not dominance in Europe,

not control in Europe. It was peace in

Europe and his objectives for Germany

were very much linked to the

preservation of peace and he gave

Germany a constitution which gave the

German people universal male suffrage

and he was the first leader in uh Europe

in fact to create a social security

system a very sophisticated social

security system and to promote universal

secondary education very much by the way

on the American model. He was very

influenced by what was happening in the

United States at that time and of course

he also had a policy for for

industrialization

and [clears throat] that was where you

know all the ideas of list and all of

that come into play. So that was Bismar.

Now what Bismar opposed and was very

very hostile to were um ideas that began

to develop in Germany rather

mysteriously in the late 19th century

for what were called politique Germany

assuming a global role as a great power.

He was absolutely against that. He was

also against policies that sought German

dominance in Europe. He thought that was

unachievable

and would undermine peace. And he also

was despite being of course an intense

German patriot, he did not like ideas

that made uh that sought any kind of

German supremacy or anything of that

kind um cultural, ethnic, whatever. So

he was very very strongly opposed to all

of these things. In other words, he was

in the best sense a very rational man.

And one of the uh moments I remember of

him is that when Germany launches after

he's been overthrown this massive

program of naval construction, he goes

to the shipyard at Keel. He sees all

these warships being built. He shakes

his head. He says, "You've all gone

mad." And that was Bismar. He also above

all sought good relations with the

Russians. And he maintained throughout

the time that he was chancellor

extremely good relations with the

Russians because he understood that

relations peace between Germany and

Russia was the key to peace in Europe.

So that that is Bismar and that was the

policy that he stood for in the late

19th century. Now there's a lot more you

can say about Bismar. He had all sorts

of faults which are not going to explore

here but that was him. And by the way he

was very interested in the United

States. He did admire Lincoln. He uh

admired American industrialization.

And a lot of what he did you can see

reflected in the fact that he had this

sense of affinity for the United States.

The big question is how did we slip away

from Bismar's Europe to the Europe that

launched the first world war? And about

that there is an enormous academic

literature and no clear resolution and

no agreement as to how it came about.

But what all I think the historical

scholarship agrees about is that there

were certain things that were going on.

Firstly,

>> and one has to say this, there was worry

in London about geopolitical

developments. I mean the fact that

Britain seemed to be losing its position

as of global supremacy as countries like

the United States, like Germany, like

Russia, like France or be but especially

Germany, Russia and the United States

were on the rise. So there was that and

there was already incidentally some

feeling in some parts of the world that

colonialism the creation of colonial

empires was a bad idea. So that's that's

one thing that made the British very

nervous. The other is a development of

extremely strange I mean looking back

very very strange um

pseudo religious

mystical you can call that kind of thing

movements in Europe at about this time.

um the importance of which I suspect has

been understated

but which are not easy to understand and

whose origins nobody has been able to

satisfactorily explain. Now I know

you've been touched a little bit about

that the last do you want to say a bit

more about those?

>> Yeah mo most certainly. Yeah, these

weird there was this weird occult

revival that was happening at the end of

the 19th century all over Europe. Um,

Germany was by far no exception. And

there's seemingly a strange

co-development and we go through this in

our documentary on the black sun rising.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, to some extent, we have a chapter on

this in that film um, regarding the

co-development of King Edward III. Well,

at the time he was still Prince uh

Edward Albert uh at the time that he was

uh setting up the Palestinian

Exploration Fund in uh 1862

with uh Sir Charles Warren to uh explore

and excavate uh the area of Solomon's

mines. You know, there's always this

idea of of Solomon's temple, the Ark of

the Covenant. A lot of the what became

both biblical archaeology as a field of

study emerged out of this grouping um as

well as the laying out the re the the

the profiling of different tribal groups

living there in the region of Palestine

to set up the stage for what would also

become the Zionist cause or the Zionist

project also found a very big role to

play there. But the the co-development

at the same time of this German new

Templar society which was uh one of the

most enthusiastic Armageddonist

um sects that emerged in Germany in the

1850s or actually it it it set up

officially in 1861. They began their

colonization of Hifa in 1868. They were

always interfacing very closely with

this network around Charles Warren and

the British Empire in Palestine. And so

you had this weird thing that I think by

the turn of the 19th of the 20th century

they had some upwards of 18 different uh

pretty well advanced colonies or de uh

communes all around uh you know

Palestine and part of their idea was the

revival of the ancient kingdom of not

even ancient whatever it was the the

Templar you know kingdom of Jerusalem

was their big ambition to revive that as

this millennialist idea of of of somehow

a invoking some of the very allegorical

commentaries within the book of

Revelation which they were just obsessed

with trying to interpret and and and

help help advance or accelerate that uh

you know cataclysmic imagery that's

located within that pro prophetic book.

I'm not saying I I believe that that

book is literal prophecy, but I I think

that people do believe that and act

accordingly sometimes with a little bit

too much political and economic uh

capacities uh to make the unnatural

become uh realized. So that's what they

were really all about and they were very

much obsessed with um or they they this

grouping

became part of something that that

bubbled to the surface in the form of

something that followers of theosophy um

were doing in Germany at that time. Uh

there was a guy named Guido von list who

had set up the German high aran uh order

in uh 1903 or 1904 with his own sort of

Germanic

spin on some of what Bllovadski and

theosophists were pushing as far as you

know the theosophical idea of a new

synthetic world religion as a

perennialist philosophy taking elements

of the different mystical traditions of

every every world philosophy and putting

into this hodgepodge stew for this new

world uh unifying religion that would

absorb everybody as the idea was but it

was very anti-Christian but the Germans

were still very Christian so it wasn't

selling very well and so guidelist had a

solution he said well so we need to

appeal to the the German psyche more

which means we need to utilize more of

the the uh some of the rooms that were

found in the forests you know and

excavations around uh German territories

and use some of these elements for uh

for our spin but we'll still have the

ascended masters. We'll still have

oracles communicating with ascended

beings to guide humanity to a new

destination. We'll still have all of

that good stuff, but we'll just like

refocus. We'll we'll downplay the

Hinduism. We'll we'll bring the swift.

We'll keep that. And that played a big a

big role in the armament and order and

uh what became he he was a co-founder

with lon von libenfelds a teacher of

Hitler actually a young young

10-year-old Hitler was a student at this

abbey in Austria which was a hub for new

temp for new templarism in the from the

1860s to the 1890s and this is where

young Hitler would have been seeing his

first experience of swastikas that are

still to this day carved in the walls of

the uh an anak I for I I I bring it up

in the documentary in this particular

abbey and this and Lonzenfelds

who's a cistorian a defrost cyersian

uh monk is teaching at this very school

who becomes the co-founder of the new

templars in 1907 that that's sort of

like an expansion of the existent

templar uh colonization project uh in

Hifa and uh and he starts a journal

called Oara and it's basically just pure

you know pagan spiritual eugenic

uh infused in in in a monthly uh

subscription that you could get. And

Hitler was also from 1910 onward a young

subscriber to the OAR journal. So he was

getting radicalized by these ideas after

having been radicalized by Leenfels in

school when he was still like pre high

school. It was already kind of bubbling

inside of him. Uh and and it wasn't

wrong. Like it was it still was very

fringe this movement. But again, World

War I, which was, you know, a war, like

you said, it's very difficult to get any

historian to have some competent

explanation of why the war happened, it

does seem to have something to do with

the ouster of von Bismar, who once he

was gone, you know, and it had see it

seemed I don't know, I'd ask I'd ask you

this. Um, I had read a a book some time

ago. I forgot the title of it. That was

uh going through the uh the the the

gossipers, the courters around of uh

Kaiser Wilhelm.

>> Yeah.

>> Which persuaded him that that Bismar

wanted to steal his thunder and and

maybe usurp the throne and and made him

very paranoid to the point that he

flushed Bismar. Um did you ever

encounter that that opport?

>> Oh, absolutely. the and the so-cal

kamaria that existed around the Kaiser

undoubtedly existed and he did play a

role and there's no doubt that um um the

Kaiser himself uh you know was very

resentful of the fact that even though

he was supposed to be the leader of

Germany most Germans obviously didn't

think of him in that way because there

was this towering figure Bismar who was

attracting all the attention so there

was that element as well which one

should not overlook. But um

this is to some extent also linked to

the development of many of these ideas

that you've just been talking about. um

um these ideas of sort of strange

movements and also um you know which

somehow blend in with the sense that

there is a there there should be a

German politic that Germany um should

have its place in the sun. It should be

a great power at least equal to or

greater than the British Empire and that

it must rival Britain in that sort of

way. And um Bismar's departure

does accelerate hugely the trend and the

force that's gathered around this group

of people. Whether it is enough by

itself to explain the first world war is

very difficult. Um when I studied

history this period long ago, the

dominant

the dominant

theory about the origin of the second of

the first world war was that of a German

historian called Fritz Fisher which was

that it all started in Germany that it

was a German desire for world power um

which was shared by the Kaiser that was

what drove it that the German government

in 1940 14 made a particular and

decisive decision to start war as part

of this um bid for world power.

Um since then um Fischer has never

completely gone away. I mean, I think he

still has his a lot of support and many

people still think as he does, but I

understand that there's been a lot of

um, you know, push back and people

saying that it wasn't just Germany.

There were other players, too. There

were the French who wanted revenge for

the fact that they'd been defeated in

1870.

There was um the British,

but again, as with the Second World War,

the archives are very incomplete. We

don't have very much knowledge. The one

government which paradoxically has

opened up its archives fully for that

period is the Russian. This happened

fairly recently. There's been some

studies about this by especially by a

man called Dominic Leven. And um the

conclusion is that the one government,

the one government of a major power that

in 1914 did not want war was actually

the Russian. That the Russians

understood perfectly well that if there

was a world war, they would be putting

the entire stability of their social

system and of their empire at risk and

that they wanted to avoid it, but they

felt that they'd been trapped into it

and that they had no real way out from

it. So it's an interesting book to read

and it's by the way its title is Vera

Flam towards the flame and [snorts] that

references a

musical composition by a composer called

Sclebin who coming [clears throat] back

to the very strange ideas that were

floating around at that time was of

course a theosophist just saying

>> there's a there's a quote that I just

found um I was going to [clears throat]

use it in a class I delivered earlier uh

this week, but I I chose not to, but it

it falls in very nicely where Kaiser

Velhelm wrote desparingly in in August

of 1914. Um [snorts]

and I'm just going to read the quote

because it's a good quote. Um but he

says, "England, Russia, and France have

agreed among themselves to take the

Austro-Serbian conflict for an excuse

for waging a war of extermination

against us. That is the real naked

situation." slowly and cleverly uh set

going by going by Edward V7th and

finally brought to a conclusion by

George V. So the famous encirclement of

Germany has finally become a fact

despite every effort of our politicians

and diplomats to prevent it. The net has

been suddenly thrown over our head and

England sneeringly reaps the most

brilliant successes of her persistently

persecuted prosecuted purely anti-German

world policy against which we have

proved ourselves helpless while she

twists the news of our political and

economic destruction out of our fidelity

to Austria as we squirm isolated in the

net. A great achievement which arouses

the admiration even of him who is to be

destroyed as its result. Edward IIIth is

stronger after his death than I than am

I who am still alive. Kind of a pathetic

character. Um,

this Wong guy, but uh, but you know, I I

I think it's it's interesting that a lot

of historians, they just overlook these

different letters in their

correspondences between Edward and

Nicholas II saying, "Okay, there's this

there clearly there's a plan to try to

get us to fight each other, but we will

not fall for it. And no, we will not go

along with this plan. Sure enough,

there's the forces turn turned out to be

more more uh influential than both of

these uh individuals realized, it seems.

And um I was just thinking about again

these these strange

the overlap between intelligence,

occultism, theosophy. It's it's it's

always kind of present. And you see it

also penetrating even the courts of

Russia where um I was in my research.

Not only does it seem that people like

uh Gerardan Kaus Papus who becomes the

leading philosophical order of the

Golden Dawn, Martinist, everything. This

guy's just an everything guy. He's all

of a sudden positioned somehow to be the

physician and adviser of Nicholas II at

a very sensitive time when Nicholas is

already kind of psychologically becoming

more and more unhinged and paranoid,

probably for good reason, and is

persuading him to take more seriously

the the uh this protocols that were just

introduced to him by one of the

followers of Lavadski. I'm forgetting

her name, but she's in my documentary.

um and another another uh confessor um

not a confessor but another um monk

adviser who's were all kind of working

together to to get Nicholas to read the

the these this revelatory protocols of

the lost the lost protocols of the

learned elders of Zion to convince him

that it's a Zionist Jew conspiracy out

to overthrow the noble monarchies of

Europe and um and and and that's what

assassinated his you know Alexander III

and Alexander I was these Jew Zionist

types and they're like, "Look, it's all

in here." Now, it turns out the whole

thing's a fraud. It's not to say that

there aren't truthful things infused in

this limited hangout talking about how

conspiracies work and their ambitions.

That's true, too. But it's been proven

that the text and the the lines of logic

the arguments the the sequencing the

chapters of it were all taken lifted

directly from a work by Morris Jolie uh

the dialogue of Montescu and uh and uh

Mchavelli

a dialogue that that was written as kind

of a pmic against Napoleon III in France

and they just kind of like respun it

rewired it for the sake of convincing

Nicholas II number one to fire anybody

who seems to have any type of connection

ction to international financiers to get

money. Like for example, Sergey Vita got

to fire him. He's he's a Rothschild

Zionist stoogge, don't you know? So he

Vita gets fired like twice

before being brought back in to clean up

the mess that uh that was caused by his

being ousted and the the 1905

revolution. But uh but he then

reinstates the pilgrims. He's induced

out of his paranoia to then clamp down

even further on the Jewish populations

that have been sort of, you know,

suffering quite a bit in in Russia. And

uh and this then creates this this it's

like this this revolutionary kind of

steam pressure cooker is just the

pressure increases with expected results

of more destabilizations, more directed

energy of of abused peoples that could

then be weaponized in a in a protocol

revolutionary kind of way to uh to

destabilize Russia ever more. And

Nicholas II has no clue what the hell is

going on. But again, these occult

intelligence overlaps, you get it also

in in the Crowley networks, like there's

this book by Richard Spence called

Secret Agent 666 on Crowley and British

intelligence, uh, which appears that

there's there's some good evidence that

he was recruited to British intelligence

by Lord Glascoin Cecil in the 18 right

before he became a member of the

Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Um,

and he was deployed first into Russia to

set up networks there, interfacing with

with Papus' networks. then went went

into to the United States

uh through the invitation, it seems, of

this Sleepy Hollow Club, which is the

same Sleepy Hollow Club of William

Rockefeller that he bought in in New up

upper state New York as sort of this

upper crust blueblood funded club that

created this massive private

intelligence service overseen by Cloud

Dancy. the St. Claw Dancy that was like

the co-founder of MI5 or it wasn't

called MI5 then it was called something

else but he that St. Cloud Dancy was

also invited with Crowley around the

same time with the same people that they

were interfacing with at the Sleepy

Hollow Club to set up an intelligence

network in America that Crowley turns

out to be uh shaping before and during

World War I. And in his book the this

historian Richard Spence did did a great

job piecing together with original

sources and letters archival work like

heavy lifting that um that Crowley was

largely the one responsible for the

propag for the sinking of the Lucadia

the actual like false flag where this

passenger ship was laden with with

weapons which would have broken

America's neutrality in World War I. and

he it was through his networks that the

information was passed on to Germans

German intelligence that there was

weapons on the ship making it liable for

an attack by Ubot which is what happened

and the idea was to then create such a

an emotional situation that would

trigger the psyche of the Americans to

break out of their isolationism and want

to insh themselves into World War I. It

took a couple more years for that to

happen. that the Crowley Crowley's

directing head this this creepy creepy

Satanist guy who's like sort of

everywhere um with you know organizing

Irish

independence or trying to redirect I

guess the focus of Irish anti-British

Irish independence movements with like

WB Yeets and Casement who are all

members of the hermetic order of the

Golden Dawn all of them are all members

of the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn

just like Papus is in Russia. And it's

like this thing is just kind of again,

they're not just philosophical occult

things that like doing weird rituals in

the in the in the cupboards. They're

they're engaged in realworld political

processes, organizing anarchist communes

that are also being used to kill a lot

of statesmen from 1865 to 1914. You

know, there's so many of these very

useful idiots who are shaped in these

anarchist cult communes that for

whatever reason get in their heads that

it's their divine mission to go and

assassinate William McKinley or Nicholas

II or Garfield or, you know, the

Austrian Duke Ferdinand or whatever. So

there's a big list of of statesmen who

are offed in that 25 30 year period by

these things that seem to also have

strange directing hands from like what

who's who was hosting the inter the the

anarchist uh conference international in

1871 that was like organizing all of

these international anarchist communes

and the representatives it was it was in

London. So there seems to be something

that is that is subtly but directly

though in influencing these seemingly

different groups that all have similar

effects of eliminating qualified

statesmen. City Calo, you know, in

France and then introducing incompetent

in their place who then all

seem to have no capacity to avoid

falling for traps that result in totally

unnecessary wars of of of destruction

like World War I. It's uh it's

mind-blowing stuff, eh?

>> Well, indeed. Can I just say a few

things here because this is very

interesting. But let's let's first of

all about about Nicholas II. I mean, the

thing to understand about Nicholas is

that he was a very very straightforward,

very devout Orthodox Christian. He had

no time for the occult at all. We do

know that he did read the protocols.

Apparently, he read them with very, very

great skepticism. he was not personally

greatly influenced by him. Uh

unfortunately

the reality is that there were all sorts

of other people in St. Petersburg in the

power structure in the court who had

completely different outlook at that

time and it's important to remember

theosophy basically originates in Russia

with Lavatski and people of that kind.

So it had a very great deal of influence

in Russia at that time and these occult

ideas that are there. Certainly they

existed and had a lot of influence in

Russia at that time too. Um there's a

lot that could be said about the

protocols. We know an awful lot more

about them than we used to and you're

absolutely right. They were a forgery

and they were not a forgery by the

secret police and we the the sort of

people who probably forged them are

exactly the millia that you are talking

about and they were used politically

mostly in court politics to get rid of

people like Vita in exactly the way that

you said. So that that that is one

thing. The other thing to say is,

however, that this is the time when

occult ideas are at their peak influence

in European society and in European

governments. Lots of people um are

drawn to them at this time. There's a

very strange book, by the way, that

comes out in Britain at about this time

called The Golden Bow. I don't know if

you've come across it, but it's very

>> James Fraser's book.

>> Exactly. Exactly. I mean, which which

>> it's super useful. It's like it's like a

guide book for like

>> grand strategists who are going to

manipulate

>> international like like various occults

tropes and and myths. Exactly.

>> Yeah. It's like a guide book for social

engineers.

>> Exactly. So, one of the people who was a

great fan was Winston Churchill. Just to

say he he he read this book extensively,

took it very very seriously. And um you

mentioned Alistister Crowley who by the

way my mother once met. He died in 1947

so they just over overlapped. Anyway, so

um

his influence

in Britain is again a very understated

thing. He was absolutely part of the

British establishment. He was perhaps

the single most prominent occultist

um in the English-speaking world

um in the 20th century. An awful lot of

what you um you see as occult today. The

ideas of the occult basically originate

with him and he did have a great

political influence and is widely

believed to have been involved with um

um British intelligence in all sorts of

ways. So absolutely all of these things

do do come together and by the way they

still exist today. I say that because

when I was working at the royal courts

of justice, um I was the person in the

royal courts of justice who used to have

to get the read the reports about

various archal groups that still

function in Britain. And I remember

reading them all and I remember reading

about the very strange things that some

of these people got up to and being very

surprised that the police who knew

exactly who these people were. I mean

literally knew exactly who these people

were weren't interfering in any way with

some of the things that they were doing

which were clearly criminal activities

just to say. So it does exist. It still

continues to this day. I don't think it

has the influence that it did at the

time that we have just been talking

about. So that's that's one thing I

would say. Um London

I suspect was the center of much of this

in early 20th century Europe. And it's

perhaps not surprising. The British

Empire is starting to weaken. It is in

decline. It faces all of these various

challenges. It's perhaps it's looking to

enlist other powers to support it. We've

discussed in previous programs how they

try to draw the Americans in. And they

do very successfully, by the way. They

get the Americans to come in and help

them in the first world war and help

them in the Second World War and then

help them after the Second World War

through NATO and all of that. Um but as

a declining power it's perhaps not

surprising that the British who are

looking for power

start thinking about the occult and you

again I I know a lot about this because

I you know I've met people who were

involved in that sort of thing in uh uh

London especially during the inter war

years. So the idea you know you you you

you you find power uh one of the things

about occults occult groups is that they

are almost by definition extremely

elitist.

So that appeals to people who are who

imagine themselves or who sometimes are

the elite and

>> you can only learn the arts of the

mystical powers and stuff if you're part

of the bloodline and you're special and

then you can be taught kind of like

Harry Potter.

>> Exactly. Exactly. And so they appeal

very much to sort of upper echelon of

society and um it is also an instrument

of power and control as well. I mean you

you have groups of people who meet in

this way and as I said they do exercise

a very very great deal of sway and they

are there. They're still there. As I

said, they I know that they do exist,

but just as London today is a very

diminished force compared to what it was

in say 1900 or 1920 or 1930 or even

1950.

So the occult itself in Britain at least

has declined in proportion. I mean it is

still there but it doesn't have the sway

that it once did.

>> Yeah. On the note of what the

fascinating that you were directly like

uh studying these groups while you're

while you were working in the in the

field. Um

>> well ab can I just say I mean you were

talking you were talking about uh uh uh

national socialism the German movement.

I mean some of these some of these

movements one in particular is

straightforwardly

uh um adheres to this ideology. It has

it has combined the German ideology of

the 1930s

with the arult. it it I mean the two are

completely fused in the mind of his

followers

>> and uh that by the way also involves

criminal activity that they are very

much involved in criminal activity and I

believe I mean it was obvious to me by

the way and this is again I'm saying

things which are I've said in many

places that the people who were mostly

drawn to this were former army officers

British army officers just to say so

that gives you some idea so uh um you

know this these ideas do exist. They

still continue to to command some

traction.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I there's so

many thoughts, but and I and I know we

are running to the top of the hour, so

we'll have to but um there's so many

thoughts that that awoken my mind as you

were speaking, but number one, uh the

tendency of army officers who have been

through hell to become uh or to get

recruited into the occult seems to be a

phenomenon. We saw this after after the

Vietnam war where there was a massive

spike in satanic ritual killings and

this is what led into the satanic panic.

But the satanic panic in America was

being done because there actually was

this greater preponderance of actual

satanic ritual activity all across

America that manifested in a number of

ways. And a lot of that seems to have

been correlated to the return of broken

men who had to do terrible things, you

know, like Operation Phoenix which was

overseen by who?

Colonel Michael Aquino, the second in

command of the Church of Satan, who was

working with Colonel Landdale,

responsible for mo most of what became

Operation Phoenix that murdered and

tortured and then murdered mostly

civilians, 40,000 at least, but probably

much larger. This the the statistics are

are hard to come by, but at least 40,000

conservative.

um [clears throat] my massacres, things

like that were all being orchestrated by

this guy who then goes comes back home

to America. Goes to Bevelburg Castle

first in 1975,

carries out his famous Vevelberg of

working ritual, which he was he somehow

got by reading some documents that that

persuaded him that this is what Hinrich

Himmler was doing because this was

supposed to be the center of the

thousand. Handler had built this as the

center of the as the headquarters of the

new Templar uh movement that he had

overseen as the High Templar. You know,

there was going to be there was like a

you can see it today. They've got the

black sun in marble on the floor and

you've got this this ritual around an

eternal flame where the 12 leading

knights were uh would do their their

weird incantations for the spirits. And

uh this is what what this is exactly

where Colonel Michael Aquino goes does

his thing is persuaded through his his

rituals that he is initiated or has been

chosen or whatever like Alistister

Crowley was when he somehow feels that

he invoked Iawas an emissary of Horus to

invoke the age of Horus the age of the

sacred child the sacred superstition.

But that has to always happen through

some form of calamity that where most

people have to die. Very like I don't

know why they always think there has to

be some calamity that kills most people.

And then Michael Aquina got the same

idea that no it's going to be actually

the age of set the age of chaos and lies

that he has to usher in as the new

prophet. But then he goes on and starts

working for major major general Albert

Stubblebean at the US military after

setting this setting up the temple of

set. He's still a very like very highly

placed green beret operative, right?

Working with the SC groups. He then

works with he's employed by General

Stubblebean who's like head of military

army intelligence throughout the in the

1980s overseeing the revolution and

military affairs to then write the from

SCOP to mind wars uh program with Paul

Valet, another colonel who's heading up

the seven SCOP groups. They write this

thing which calls for a different kind

of train involving um a fusion of

uh you know uh ESP operations, occults

type of of training. I guess this also

goes with psychedelic drug use as part

of the occult idea, but then also

technologies that involve uh you know

electromagnetic pulses and things like

that. And this be but this training

program seems crazy. that this actually

is what is defining the actual programs

like the the Jedi mind wars program the

the uh first earth battalion that Jim

Shannon that other people that are

portrayed in the Jim Ronson book men who

stare at goat goats it's actually a true

story they portray in the movie as if

it's a as if it's a joke but it's that's

all real stuff the the movie with George

Clooney that's that's actually stuff

that was done that these if you follow

the the um the careers of a lot of these

graduates of these new training programs

They they don't want to become the

overseers, the new vanguard

uh Jedi super soldiers as they think of

themselves, very elitist again because

you're you're you're a super soldier

now. You're more than human, right? It's

very uber mentioned that then go on to

play dominant roles in Desert Storm in a

lot of the insane decisions around the

post 911 age. Um and and it's like there

is something to do with war trauma like

this apocalypse now type of stuff that

we saw doc like portrayed in that film

that that does lend itself to recruiting

people into unhuman experiences we saw

in the World War II where tons of Oxford

young men came out of that that process.

So did Dansancy as sort of new men where

they something happened to them where

they did things that no human should

ever do. They saw things, they

experienced things that you should never

experience. But somehow they they became

new men out of that where they became

this this sort of you know vanguard

uh Templar warriors or whatever

organizing a roundt like with again very

the language of the the Milner Roads

round table uh society was directly a a

play on the the arththerian legends that

were part of the the recruitment the

ideological sort of uh mystery plays of

the trouidors and other things of the

medieval ages that were a big part of

recruiting highv value targets into

becoming initiated into these Templar uh

crusader mystic orders where they would

first have to go on a quest, you know,

face death, face the guardian at the

threshold, integrate with the darkness

inside of them somehow, overcome

whatever. And if you survive, you get to

you get to whatever pick up Excalibur,

which is language that Aquino is

directly using when you read that that

document. He's talking about the the new

mind wars program as being Excalibur. He

literally calls it that. So this is the

type of weird coloring in their

imaginations that is defining real world

world policies that impact the lives of

billions of people. So when I hear

people like Peter Theel or you know the

the um Palunteer CEO Lou Mosley who's

you know talking about how when Louis

Mosley talks about how he got the job

with Alec Hart to become the CEO of

Palunteer UK I get a little trepidation

because as the official story goes told

by these two guys he was afraid he

wasn't going to get the gig cuz his

grandfather was Oswwell Mosley whose

second in command was uh JCR

JFC 4 a guy who like innovated out, you

know, Blicks Creek tactics and whose

whose manuals are still taught in

training programs across West Point and

and military colleges to this very day.

This guy is the second in command of

Louis Mold Mosley, the head of the

British Union of Fascists. He's the the

grandmaster of the Argentum Astron

Crowley lodge from 1907 onward and he's

doing back channels with the Nazi high

command. He's the one who's the He would

have been like the secretary of defense

for for England had Oswald Mosley been

successful at becoming the fo of

England. But it's this guy's grandson

who's going in for a business meeting to

become the CEO to see if he can get the

job. He's afraid he's not going to get

the job. And as he tells it, Alec Karp

goes and recites from memory a full

speech by Oswald Mosley from 1939. And

he's like, "Wow, we're friends." And he

got the job. Now, of all the people in

the world, you got this guy positioned

overseeing contracts with the USA as of

2025, some of the biggest to grant

Palunteer the like all sorts of of

influence. I think 300 uh billion. I I

forget the numbers off the top of my

head, but immense record-breaking uh

military contract deals where Palunteer

is now going to be granted the rights

and has been to increasingly control the

AI decision-m of Britain's, you know,

big military intelligence decisions,

even municipal policing efforts.

Predictive policing is a big part of

their ambitions as well to be able to do

thought uh preventative thought crime

where you could just measure the metrics

the the banking activity the uh the the

online you know commentaries of people

in order to act on future crimes before

they happen very minority report and

that's actually part of an active

project that Palunteer has been doing

since 2013 that they're trying to spread

around the the western world so I'm like

now there's some continuity I don't

think that it's all one grand conspiracy

but I think that there's some bad habits

and too much continuity to overlook

between these, you know, things that

were happening a century or more ago and

the uh this obsession that Peter seems

to have with the book of Revelation, the

Antichrist that I don't think is just a

a fetish. I think he's he's seriously

obsessed with this idea that he thinks

is tied to what he has to bring into

being.

>> Barsome stuff, man. I I don't know.

>> Indeed. Indeed, the resonances are

remarkable. And of course it's a flight

from reality. I mean it was a flight

from reality.

>> A a genuine flight from reality in the

late 19th early 20th century which led

to disaster and um with a deeply

misanthropic

and anti-humanist and I would say

anti-Christian quality about it.

>> And you see exactly the same today. And

it's unsurprising that the two share

very very much in common. and perhaps

that there is a direct line of

connection between the two. Yeah.

>> Well, um M Matt, this has been an

extraordinarily interesting program.

Again, was always with you. We cover

huge amounts of ground and it's always

intellectually uh very very interesting.

You you you reminded me of things that I

you know have read and experienced um

you know various times in my life. But

anyway, thank you again and let's look

forward to having you again on our

programs. Thank you.

>> Absolutely. It's always a pleasure. All

right. Bye, guys.

>> Thank you, Matt. Before you go, before

you go, where can people follow your

work real quick?

>> Yes. Uh, okay. So, the the new film can

be watched currently only on my

Substack. So, matthew eric.substack.com.

It's under a $5 payw wall. Not not the

end of the world, but it's worth it. I I

encourage people to check it out. Uh, we

will eventually make it for free. Um,

also it's on atlux if you want to go

there. It's at lux. Also our our u our

book. Hold on.

So the book that [clears throat] I

mentioned that we the special report

that we uh put out has a crazy ass

picture of Hitler pointing up to the

black sun. A little UFO there for a

reason. You'll find in the in the book

cuz a bunch of theosophical pro-Nazi

movements ended up creating the entire

UFO cult movement after 19 after 1945.

That's there's a chapter in that.

adminoski's right there. So, that book

is available on Amazon or they can write

to me if they want a signed copy.

Cynthia and myself and our friend Mike

King co-wrote that thing. So, that's uh

they can send us a message through our

website canadpatriot.org

uh or risingtidefoundation.net

uh as well.

>> All right. Thank you, Matt.

>> Thank you very much, Matt. Have a very

good day.

>> Bye.