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>> It's surreal being here.

>> Is it?

>> Yeah. I've been listening to the show

for years.

>> Well, I've been watching your show for

years. Yeah.

>> Are we rolling, Jamie? All right.

Beautiful. I love your [ __ ] show.

It's great.

>> A thanks, man.

>> It's really awesome, man. Espec Well, I

haven't watched Marshalls yet. Is it out

now?

>> It is.

>> When did it come out? Uh March 1st.

Okay. So they just had the second

episode air.

>> I like to binge, man. I like to wait

until stay offline. I like to sit down

and binge them

>> for sure.

>> Yeah. But Yellowstone's [ __ ] awesome.

It's such a great show. Did you have any

idea it was going to be what it is?

>> Uh not. No, I don't think anybody did. I

thought it would find an audience for

sure. I mean, Taylor was really, you

know, hot at the time. He he he'd been

nominated for Oscars and I was kind of

like surprised he was even writing a

television show. He was just like so hot

in the the film business.

>> How the [ __ ] does that guy even sleep?

>> I don't know, man.

>> Where does he have the time? Every time

I look in the news or there's a new show

that he's doing, a new thing he's doing

is like, how are you doing all this?

>> It's impressive. You know, I feel like

there's a lot of people I've worked with

where they do things that are

impressive, but his is impossible,

>> right? You know, like someone would be

like, "Could you direct a movie as good

as Unforgiven?" I'm like, "Maybe, maybe

if I tried real hard." But like, could

you write 10 television shows

single-handedly? No. No way. Not

possible. He directed Unforgiven.

>> No, I'm just saying like people that I

look up to that I'm impressed by. It's

like his is a different level, right?

His is like it's like impossible.

>> Who did direct Unforgiven?

>> Clinty SW.

>> That's the [ __ ] greatest western

movie of all time.

>> It is. It's the best.

>> Yeah.

>> It's like, you know what it was like to

me? It was like he was making up for all

the silly westerns and was like, "Let me

show you what it was probably really

like."

>> Yeah.

>> What was really like when a man was

about to get shot? What was really like

when a dude was a stone cold killer?

What was it really like? The hardships

of living back then.

>> Yeah. And it's interesting, too, because

he starts out kind of a loser.

>> Yeah. those first, you know, like the

first three quarters of the movie, he's

this sort of timid guy who's lost his

power, you know, and then he takes that

one sip of whiskey and it's all over for

everybody else. It's a crazy premise.

>> It's such a good movie, man. It's such a

good [ __ ] movie, man. But yeah,

Taylor is a he's a real freak and

there's not a lot of humans like him and

it's his background story is so

interesting, you know, like he was just

kind of scrambling around till he was

almost like 40. Yeah, it's like a real

life Rocky story or something. Like rags

to riches, the whole the whole thing.

>> I know, man. It's just I just don't I

guess that's why he has so much ambition

because he knows what it's like to be

poor,

>> right?

>> You know, he knows what it's like to

like barely make it,

>> right?

>> Then all of a sudden, he's got a kid on

the way and he's like, "Oh [ __ ] I got

to buckle down

>> and really get moving." And he kept his

foot on the gas.

>> Absolutely. Do you guys keep in touch?

Yeah.

>> His buddies.

>> Yeah. Yeah. All the time.

>> I love Taylor, man.

>> I love him. He's an awesome dude. I just

worry about him. Like, you know, you do

so much. Like, don't have a [ __ ]

heart attack, man. Don't go crazy.

>> You know what's weird is he does he does

like have a good time, too. It's not

like he doesn't hang out with his family

or friends or, you know, that's the the

craziest thing to me is like the guy has

a really fun life and is able to do all

that. I guess like the moral of the

story is don't play golf. You know,

that'll take up all your time.

>> No [ __ ] man. Tell that to Jamie.

>> If I can get out once a week, it's

great.

>> Yeah.

>> He's an addict. Jamie's an addict. He's

got a simulator back there. He's always

whacking golf balls. Yeah. All my

friends are trying to get me to play.

I'm like, I'm not doing it, man. That's

a six-hour commitment. [ __ ] off.

>> No, man. The the the amount of time it

takes to get good enough that it's not

the worst thing ever is too much time.

>> Right. And my problem is I'm I'm an

addict. Like, when I start doing things,

I just start like, "Okay, I need to play

in the PGA."

I start I start going crazy. I'll start

getting lessons and [ __ ] that.

>> Yeah, don't do it. We need your show,

man. We need you.

>> It's Well, I'm never doing it.

>> We can do both.

>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

>> Try it. We try it. Try it out.

>> No, I know. All my friends who play

[ __ ] love it. Ron White and Tony

Hinchcliff, they go out every day. It's

like, it's too much, man. I can't do it.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's You can't play golf and do

what Taylor's doing. That's for damn

sure.

>> No way. No.

>> Well, how is how the [ __ ] is Trump doing

it? Like he's in the middle of

everything. He's always playing golf.

>> But that's sort of the criticism, right?

Like he he's playing too much golf and

not running the country enough.

>> But don't they say that about every

president?

>> Yeah.

>> Like I think it's almost like a

prerequisite to be president. You have

to play golf,

>> you know? Don't they all do it?

>> I guess so.

>> It's like one of those weird businessmen

things. Like they make deals out there.

They have a couple of cocktails. They

talk a little [ __ ]

>> right?

>> Do a bump.

>> Not my thing.

>> Make some deals.

>> I I just don't I don't know. something

about being on like a manicured lawn

that I don't I don't know. I'd rather be

out in the middle of nowhere.

>> I'm sure I'd love it. I'm sure. Which is

why I don't do it.

>> But I play pool and I'm addicted to

pool. Like I play pool all the time.

It's it's a real problem. When I lived

in New York, I was playing like eight

hours a day.

>> Yeah.

>> I was playing in tournaments. I was

traveling around. It was like

>> I can't I can't get another thing like

that in my life.

>> Are you done playing pool?

>> No, I play all the time. Okay.

>> Yeah. But you could play pool for like a

couple hours and stop.

>> Maybe I'll try that.

>> Pool's fun.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Like real pool, like tournament

pool, you know, like competitive like

real tournament pool. It's legit. But

it's like it's another thing. It's It'll

get in your blood and then you'll be

thinking about it all the time and

watching videos and taking lessons. And

>> I'm ready for something though.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Not golf. Pool sounds like

>> Well, you have you have music and you

have acting. Like you said, that's got

to be kind of hard to manage.

>> Yeah, it's proving pretty difficult. And

I have an 18-month-old

>> Oh, that too.

>> Mix. Yeah.

>> So, no sleep.

>> Uh yeah, we're we're getting there. I I

you know, the the music thing is sort of

it's kind of nice because there's not a

lot of pressure on it. You know, for me,

I'm I have a day job. You know, I have

this thing that supports my family and

the music I can do to like my passion

level. uh you know and I and I wouldn't

do it to the point where I'm like away

from my family too much you know so I

can I like making the music touring is

kind of hard and it's and it's also new

for me so learning how to do that at 40

was uh kind of interesting you know I

feel like in my 20s that would have been

the most fun ever

>> sleeping on a bus with 12 dudes and just

going from city to city and you know

drinking backstage and playing country

music that would have been a blast but

I'm you know too old for to do that the

right way.

>> Yeah. When you tour, do you go out or do

you do like a weekend and then come

back? Or do you

>> When you're on a full-blown tour, the

the the way that it financially works

the best is to just stay kind of going.

So, you're doing like three shows like

Thursday, Friday, Saturday because

you've got the bus rented, you've got

all the equipment rented, you got the

guys, you know, on salary. So, you just

have to keep going. It's actually really

hard to for it to pencil out when you're

just doing a show here and there,

>> right? Yeah, that's standup comedy so

much easier in that regard. I've only

done one standup comedy tour tour. I did

it with Charlie Murphy and John Hefron.

We we did this Bud Light Maxim tour back

in 2007 and we did like 22 dates in a

month. And so it was like I would wake

up and I wouldn't know where I was. I'd

look at the ceiling. I'm where the [ __ ]

am I? I don't I would have to think uh

Columbus, you know? I'd have to like go

through my head and figure out where I

am when I woke up.

>> Was there ever like a period of stage

fright when you started doing standup?

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The first day I

was more afraid the first time I got on

stage than I was the first time I

fought.

>> It was nuts. Yeah.

>> I was like, why am I so nervous?

>> I was like I was thinking about

chickening out. I was thinking about not

doing it.

>> I do that every time I play a music

show, dude. I'm like, can I just call it

off?

Do you still get stage fright right now?

>> Really bad. Really?

>> Well, that's the thing, man. I' I I'd

always played music, but and when I was

playing in bands and playing out, I was

the drummer.

>> Oh.

>> So, but I always wrote songs and stuff,

but I never thought I had never had

ambition around like I want to be the

guy in front of the microphone. That was

never, you know, the plan. And then, you

know, to be able to make an album, which

I wanted to do, you have to go stand in

front of the microphone. And that's the

hard part for me. I love being in the

studio. I love writing the songs. I love

making the music, recording the music.

But there's something about knowing that

all these people have shown up and

bought a ticket

>> to see you and you're like all of a

sudden this thing starts happening in me

where like

>> they bought a ticket imposttor syndrome.

You're not good enough for them to have

spent their money. You know, it's just

this whole thing and it's like dude shut

up. I know it's going to be okay but it

doesn't matter.

>> Every time I still get a little bit of

the, you know,

>> I think everybody who's sane gets

imposttor syndrome.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Everybody that I've talked to

that's sane. It's like the really cookie

ones don't like I don't think Kanye's

ever gotten imposttor syndrome.

>> You know what I'm saying? It's like the

the better be also he's a genius but

it's like the ones who were sane like it

doesn't make any sense. Like none of it

makes any sense.

>> Yeah. Well, I I get it in droves and and

way more for the music than the acting.

But it's again I've I've been acting in

film and TV for over 20 years now.

>> When did you first get on stage to sing?

How old were you?

>> Um, the very first show I played I was

39.

>> Oh my god.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Like I had done karaoke

before, right?

But, you know, I it kind it came about

in the weirdest way. I I literally was

on set one day and get a call out of the

blue from this manager, this music

manager, uh, Matt Graham, who's a great

manager and a really good friend of

mine, but he called and said, "Hey, I

know you don't know who I am, but I know

that you're a musician and you know, I I

love Yellowstone. I love you and that

show. Would is that something that you

would want to take seriously?" And I was

like, like, what does that mean? He's

like, I bet I could get you a record

deal. And I was like, no, man. That's no

I don't want to do that. and we talked

for two years and over the course of the

two years I really started to trust him.

He sort of like explained to me what you

know what would be required and long

story short my my father passed away

somewhere in there and sort of one of

the last things he sort of conveyed to

me was like if there's anything you want

to do while you're here do it you know

and

something about that moment I was like

I'm just going to [ __ ] do it you know

I don't care what's what's the worst

thing that can happen I'm another actor

who made a goofy album

>> right

>> so what I got to do it you know

>> um so So I did and then immediately it's

like well now you have to go tour it

otherwise you know they're not going to

put up the money for you to make these

things if you don't go sell it you know

so the tour is sort of to get the music

out there and get people buying it. Um

and so yeah first show it was in

Billings Montana for I think it was

1,200 people.

>> Whoa.

>> Um at this place called I think it was

Pub Station.

>> What was that like first time doing it?

Dude, I blacked out. Like, not drinking.

Like, I just blacked out on nerves,

dude. Like, it, you know, it started, my

knees were shaking, my hands were

shaking. This is before I knew about

like beta blockers or anything like

that. And I the show was over and I was

like, how was was that okay? How how did

that go? And everyone was It was good,

you know. It was good. I was fine. The

fourth show I ever played was Stage

Coach.

>> Whoa.

>> Yeah. Um, that's nuts.

>> It was crazy. I mean, it was earlier in

the day. It's not like I had, you know,

100,000 people out there, but still,

that's a big stage.

>> That's a big stage.

>> And, um, yeah. So, but, you know, little

by little, it got somewhat better. I

don't black out anymore. I kind of I

know where I'm at and I'm there, but

it's still something I deal with.

>> Oliver Anthony, the first show he ever

played live in front of people was like

20,000 people. That's insane.

>> It's so nuts.

>> That's insane,

>> wasn't it? Like that. It was huge,

right? It was like it was some it was a

gigantic crowd. I I don't think I'm

exaggerating because he got really

famous before he ever went on tour. That

one song Richmond north of Richmond that

that song like in instantly made him

famous.

>> He wrote a rocket dude. That rarely

happens. There's you know few people

know that feeling. I I I can't imagine.

>> Bro, he he was freaking out. like uh I

became friends with him like right when

it was happening cuz he was like a

little lost and he said a bunch of

people I go let's talk so we got on the

phone like it was before he had you know

he had gotten a ton of record deals and

all these different people were saying

you know hey sign with me we'll give you

x amount of money in advance I go don't

sign nothing and he was like everybody's

telling me that I got to act strike

while the iron's I go no no no no no I

go dude

>> you got talent I go you got real talent

You're always going to have talent. It's

just a matter of putting in the work and

you're going to be huge. You don't need

these people. These people are all

vampires. They're all just trying to

suck on your neck. Don't let them. Don't

let them.

>> Thank god he listened because he was

getting offers like $7 million and [ __ ]

And he he was a [ __ ] heavy equipment

salesman, you know? And so then all of a

sudden he's like, "What the [ __ ] is

going on?" One song with him and a

guitar just standing in a field and

that's all it took.

>> That's amazing. I mean, that's how it

should be, right? I have the complete

opposite story. My story is not cool at

all. I'm like, I'm a successful actor

and I got a record deal for no reason.

>> Yeah, but you had a record deal because

you wanted to do it. Cuz you're

interested in that, too. Like, you can

do anything you want to do. Like, just

because you're a successful actor

doesn't mean you can't do it,

>> right? But I think, you know, a lot of

the thing with music is the story of the

person.

>> So, I knew going in like I don't have

the best story. I I I I do come from

nothing and I did work my ass off to

become an actor and all that, but you

know, the my way into the music was a

little wonky, but

>> Well, sometimes that's good because it

makes you work harder to prove to people

that you're legit,

>> you know, because you have this thing

over your head where they're like, "Fuck

that pretty boy [ __ ] TV star

[ __ ] [ __ ] that dude.

>> [ __ ] Casey Dutton."

>> There we go. So, the music's going to

have to be good enough. That's just sort

of the thing.

>> That's all it is. It's just it just will

force you to work harder, but it's just

>> everybody's story is different. That's

what makes it fun. If everybody had the

same story, you know.

>> Yeah. I mean, you're kind of the the

king of following your passion, right?

You you've done that.

>> Yeah. I've been super lucky, you know. I

just lucky that there's a job for all

these things I like, you know?

>> There wasn't

for this one.

>> This one there was other people doing it

already, but it wasn't a job for the

longest time. It's kind of a fun story

that me and my wife always joke around

about because like one time she was

taking the kid, we were all supposed to

go to Disneyland, but I I had to do this

podcast. I'm like, she was like, "You

don't have to do it." I go, "But I do. I

do it every week." But it wasn't really

making any money back then, but I was

like, "I promised people it would be

out." Like, "I got to do it." Now she's

like, "Thank God you didn't listen to

me."

>> It's just I mean, I got lucky. I I came

in right at the right time. There was

only a few people doing it back then and

I just did it for fun. I just thought

that would be fun to do.

>> Yeah.

>> And then all of a sudden it became a

job.

>> Yeah. And with the UFC stuff too. Yeah.

>> That too. That was fun too.

>> Did you think that would become what it

became?

>> Yeah. When I first started doing it was

in 1997

and it was uh in a high school

auditorium in Dothan, Alabama and we had

to take a propeller plane to get there

and uh it was banned from cable so you

could only watch it on Direct TV. This

was UFC 12 and wow there was no one in

the audience and no one was watching it

and I was already on a TV show. I was on

news radio and the people on news radio

the actors and the producers they were

like what are you doing? you're flying

to go do cage fighting. It was almost

like I was doing porn,

>> you know? It's like or [ __ ] snuff

films or something. It's like, dude,

dude, you're gonna ruin your life doing

this.

>> I was like, I don't I don't know what

you guys are talking about. This is what

I've always wanted to see. I've always

wanted to see all the best martial

artists of different styles get

together. Nobody ever did it. These guys

are doing it. I'm going to go.

>> Yeah.

>> Like, this is

>> I remember renting the like first few

from Blockbuster. Remember that? Oh, it

was the best. It was like Blood Sport

back then.

>> Oh, yeah. Oh, it changed my life. I got

UFC 2 was the first one. The first one

wasn't available. You had to get two was

the only one. And it was on VHS tape.

And I had a buddy of mine who told me

about it. He's like, "Dude, you got to

see this thing, man." He goes, "They got

these guys. They're fighting in a cage

and this one dude's just choking

everybody and he's wearing a ghee." I

was like, "Really? What is it?" And then

I watched it. I was like, "Holy shit."

>> Yeah.

>> I was hooked like right away. I was

like, "They [ __ ] did it. They

actually did it." Cuz like when I was a

kid, everybody thought that what they

were if you did karate, you thought

karate was the best. If you thought

judo, you thought judo was the best. And

nobody really knew what was the most

effective martial art because nobody had

ever put together anything like the UFC,

>> right?

>> So once it happened, I mean, it was just

such a huge part of my life. I was like,

I'm not going to not do this just

because it's bad for my acting career.

I'm like, if my acting career goes away,

I I don't, you know, whatever. I'm only

doing this for money anyway. So I was

like, I'll just figure it out.

You were the only person in LA with that

mentality, by the way. That really

served you well.

>> Well, I wasn't supposed to be in LA, you

know? I mean, I only came to LA for

money. I And I would have moved back. I

was living in New York and um I did a

show called Hard Ball and that got

cancelled. And the only reason why I

stayed is cuz I got a lease on an

apartment. I was fully ready to get out

of there. I was like, I got to get the

[ __ ] out of this place. I hated it. I

hated being around actors. I hated being

around producers and casting agents. I

was like, "These people are so fake."

>> I was used to being around fighters and

comedians and pool players, like the the

rawest, funniest, like outcasts of

society. Like those were my people. I

was used to like cracking jokes with

friends and everybody was like busting

on each other and everybody had a great

sense of humor, just silly weirdos. And

then all of a sudden I'm around these

people that like all had these like

predetermined things that they thought

they should say so they would say them,

you know, and everybody had like it was

all group think. It was like, "Oh, this

is [ __ ] horrible."

>> Yeah. I always say that felt like when I

lived in LA, I lived in LA for 16 years

and and you know, I don't want to

complain about it. I was obviously good

to me. Like it, you know, helped my life

quite a bit, but it always felt like

everybody was trying to become the same

person.

>> Yeah.

>> But they don't know who that person is.

I'm like, can we can you just tell me

who the person is so I can right

>> you know what I mean? There's like a

memo that went out that I didn't get or

something. Yeah.

>> So,

>> nobody got that memo. They were all

playing it by ear, you know, and they

were just it was all dependent upon what

the producers and the casting agents

wanted you to be.

>> So, everybody would sort of adapt like

whenever you got a place where everybody

has the same politics,

>> that's not a good sign.

>> Like that something's gone wrong. and

everybody has these progressive

left-wing politics regardless of whether

or not any of their positions make

sense. They all just sort of spit it

out.

>> Well, I think it's just that there is

sort of a desperation that gets bred

from I mean, these people left their

families. They moved away. They

>> left everything they've ever known and

gave up a lot of comfort and security

and love to to follow this dream.

>> And so that that dream becomes more and

more and more important. You need it

more and more because now you have

nothing else. Yeah,

>> you've given everything else up.

>> And so I think at that point you can you

can sort of mold people into whatever

you like.

>> It ruins comics

>> because when comics start doing well,

one of the first as soon as they start

getting on television, the first thing

they start doing is tempering their

material. They tone it down a little

bit, take the edge off, don't say

anything that can get you in trouble.

And you know, generally those are the

funniest things. Yeah, the funniest

things are the things that can go

terribly wrong, you know, and get you in

trouble. So, they do that and then just,

you know, they become like an I I always

call it the velvet prison because you

get locked into that velvet prison. You

get get on TV, you get get money, but

also you become just one of everybody

else.

>> Yeah. It's hard it's hard not to do. I

mean, I'm that's where I'm at. You know,

I still have a boss.

>> Yeah. you know, my my checks are written

by a very specific company that, you

know, I have to be careful sometimes.

>> I know.

>> You know, even doing this today, I'm

like,

>> just a little bit. I don't want to do

that to you and sit here and like police

myself the whole time, but I got to be

like, just don't say this, you know,

right? Oh, yeah. No, I'm firmly aware of

it. People come in here and I I could

see it in their face like, please don't

bring up anything crazy. No trans talk

>> for sure, dude.

>> Stay away from that today.

>> Yeah. I mean people I mean it's it's you

know it's a tricky situation and the the

thing about LA too is everybody has to

get picked for stuff.

>> Yeah.

>> It's not like even like music like

especially like look at Oliver Anthony.

No music deal, no nothing. Just put

something on YouTube blows up. Yeah.

>> That's a real in this day and age that's

a real thing. But in acting it's still

you have to get chosen. You have to get

cast for something. And just that weird

thing alone where you're going into this

thing and these people have to approve

you and most of the people that get

involved in acting in the first place, a

lot a large percentage of them, they did

it because they didn't get enough

attention when they were younger. And

this is like they they just want to make

up for well that's why I became a

comedian. I'm pretty sure

>> you know it's all the same kind of

mindset. Like there's something about

you that wants to be famous, right?

once, you know, unless you're like

someone who's just in love with the

craft of acting, you know,

>> right? Which how could you be when you

know I made the decision that I wanted

to be an actor when I was like 5 years

old.

>> I didn't know what the craft of acting

was.

>> My thing though, honestly, was

>> I loved movies so much. I think I just

because I I I liked them more than my

life,

>> you know? I wanted to live in the movie.

>> I didn't know what making them would

actually be like. I didn't know what

that career looked like. I didn't know

what acting was. But I would go to the

movie theater and want to be in it. And

I'd also see the guy and I I don't know,

whatever the skill set was, I was like,

"Whatever they're doing, I think I can

do that. I I think I have whatever that

is." And, you know, thank God I was at

least somewhat right or I'd be waiting

tables in LA right now.

>> Well, it's an interesting thing, right?

because

it's a craft that seems like you're just

doing normal life, right? Like you're

you're pretending, but you're you're

acting and behaving in a way that people

do act and behave. Like that's the key

to it. It has to be believable.

>> Yeah.

>> So most people watch it go, I can do

that. Like it's this is normal life.

They're act just acting like they're in

normal life,

>> right? But what you don't realize is

that there's like a dude with a beard

with a microphone in your face and 200

people standing around waiting for you

to be done so they can do their job

again.

>> Sipping coffee shaking their head

right at their lot.

>> Maybe you [ __ ] up a line like, "Oh

Jesus, this [ __ ] guy [ __ ]

unprofessional." Yeah,

>> exactly.

>> Yeah. It's a weird gig, man. It's a

weird gig. And it's not what most people

think it is. And you could tell that by

like the masters, the real masters. You

know, when you see like a Daniel D.

Lewis do it, you're like, "Okay,

whatever he's doing, I'm not doing

that." That's that's a [ __ ] totally

different thing, right?

>> This guy's in some weird place where he

becomes Gary Oldman becomes a different

person every movie and you believe it.

>> Yeah.

>> That's the real craft of it, right?

Where like I [ __ ] know that's Gary

Oldman, right? But he's different in

every now. He's Dracula and I believe

it.

>> He's amazing. Both of those guys

amazing.

>> You ever watch that show um Slow Horses?

>> I love it. It's

>> [ __ ] great show, right?

>> It's really good.

>> It's a great show. I can't wait for the

new season. I was hooked. Somebody told

me about it and I was a little skeptical

at first. I was like, "All right."

>> And you never see like a lead your your

number one be like a total piece of

[ __ ]

>> right? Total piece of [ __ ] Yeah. Except

Tony Soprano.

>> There you go. Yeah.

>> Yeah. That he that was a weird show,

right? Like a guy was a murderer and a

thief and you love him.

>> Loved him. He was so good.

Yeah, there's another guy, Gandalfeni.

Man, that you [ __ ] believed him.

>> And there wasn't acting like that in

television yet.

>> No,

>> that was like the first of its kind.

>> Yeah.

>> And even within that show, he was doing

something no one else was doing,

>> right?

>> And that's hard to that's hard to keep

up for, you know, you can if you do it

for a film, you're doing it for a couple

months,

>> you know, at that at that level of

intensity, but to do that for seven

years for months and months at a time is

impossible. Well, there was a danger in

his eyes. Like a real danger. Like

there's something about that dude that

that dude's got or while he was alive,

he had demons but in his brain. Like you

could tell, right?

>> Like there was moments the these

menacing moments where he was like

threatening someone or doing something.

You're like that's coming from a real

place. Right.

>> That's that guy a you know there's some

guys who play tough guys in movies like

I'm not buying it.

>> But with that guy you're like oh okay

this this guy could kill somebody.

>> Yeah. You don't want to piss him off in

real life.

>> Well he's also out of [ __ ] control.

You know if you ever uh see the list of

the things that he consumed before he

died.

>> I have seen that.

>> It's bananas.

>> Yeah. I mean he was just off the rails.

Just out of his [ __ ] mind.

>> Have you seen the Hunter S. Thompson

one? Oh, dude. We narrated it. We read

it and then this guy, what was the dude?

What's the guy's name that turned it

into a song?

>> I don't know.

>> There's a there's a a dance song like a

electric music dance song.

>> I haven't heard that.

>> With me and my friend Greg Fitz Simmons

were reading off Hunter S. Thompson's

like his daily routine with his beardy

man. Yeah. Shout out to beardy man. It's

pretty dope. Play it. [ __ ] it.

>> Can we

>> I

>> We get in trouble.

>> Can isn't the right word to ask.

>> We can.

>> What would happen?

>> We lose like revenue changes and stuff

like that

>> for sure.

>> Yeah, 100%.

>> All right. Don't play it. I'll listen to

it after. Sorry.

>> Yeah. Well, I'll send it to you. But

it's uh it's a bananas routine. And you

know, at the end of his life, I'm a

giant Hunter S. Thompson fan as you

could tell and walking through the all

the artwork,

>> but at the end of his life like he

couldn't even talk. Like he did an

appearance once on Conan O'Brien and it

to me it was like one of the saddest

things. Like he could barely understand

what he was saying.

He's just mumbling and he when he was

young he was so [ __ ] smooth and

articulate and interesting and

fascinating and and it just drugs just

drugs and booze just cooked his brain.

I'll have to do a deep dive on him. I

I've never read any of his stuff.

>> Really?

>> No, I haven't.

>> Oh, just read just start off with Fear

and Loathing.

>> Okay.

>> Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was a he

got a assignment to cover I think it was

a motorcycle race. That was the job.

>> So, I think it was for Sports

Illustrated or something like that. He

got a job to just cover a race and he

goes down there and just brings every

kind of [ __ ] drug known to man.

Drives through the desert in a

convertible with his friend and just

writes this insane book. It's completely

insane. Has nothing to do with this

motorcycle race. It's just all about the

chaos of being out of your [ __ ] mind

in Vegas. And it's brilliant. It's so

good.

>> Check it out. Do you like Vegas?

I mean, I'm there a lot for fights. And

when I go, we go to a restaurant. I go

play pool. I go to the fights. I don't

do anything else. So, it's like for me,

it's like, yeah, there's great

restaurants. You know, the fights are

awesome. I love doing that.

>> So, it's like, but

>> there's something about it where I ever

every time I go there, I like could I

live here? Like, I was actually talking

to my friend Tony Hliffe about it this

past weekend. We were just there for the

fights. And um I was saying like what if

a I was because you know Kill Tony is

this gigantic show now. It's huge. He

sells out arenas all over the country

with it. It's on Netflix. And I was

saying like what if a a Vegas casino

offered you a [ __ ] pile of money?

Would you do you think you could ever

live here? And we were just sitting

there. He's like I don't No. I don't

want to do it.

>> I don't think I could do it either.

>> Cuz I I think it's like sleeping next to

a vampire. Like even if you know that

the vampire's in the other room and he's

not going to bite your neck, it's like

he's right there,

>> you know? I don't think it's good for

you.

>> Vegas to me is like, you know, when you

>> you have a big night out on a certain

type of booze and you get sick and then

then anytime you drink that booze after

that, that's Vegas to me. Anytime I land

in Vegas, I'm like, I just feel gross

>> because I remember the last time I was

there or the first time.

Yeah, it's I think the people that live

outside of Vegas, like people live in

Henderson and places like that, they

love it because it's really nice out

there. Like you go out to the outskirts

of Vegas, there's beautiful

neighborhoods and nice communities and

like great stores and restaurants and

stuff. It's nice, but you're still next

to the Death Star,

>> right?

>> It's like this big neon [ __ ] vacuum

just sucking people's money out of them.

>> I've never been off of the strip. Maybe

I should try that out.

>> Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's there's

great restaurants and great

neighborhoods. Like it's it's fine

outside, but the reason why they're

there is because of the Death Star. Like

that's what brings everybody there. You

know, everybody's there to just lose all

their money.

>> Yeah. Make really bad decisions.

>> Yeah. Like I all my friends who gamble,

when I would go there with them, I go,

"Look at this place. See how big it is?

How do you think they got that money?"

Suckers like you.

This isn't This isn't like a fair

exchange. Like they're giving you goods

and you're giving them money. No, this

is like they're giving you this like

crazy proposition where you think you're

going to play blackjack and win a

billion dollars. Like it's

>> And if you win too much money, they kick

you out.

>> Did you ever gamble? Was that ever?

>> No. No.

>> No. No. No. No. No. Not really. I mean,

I've I've bet some money on fights. I've

I've played blackjack a few times, but

I've never lost any real money. But my

friend Dana White, he's a [ __ ]

degenerate. Like a crazy degenerate. I

went to visit him recently.

>> So he was at Red Rocks Casino and uh a

couple of my other buddies were there.

So we showed up and went into the

blackjack room. He was there. And when I

got there, he was down $600,000

when I got there. And it was a normal

night for him. And he wasn't even

nervous. He was like, "Hey, what's up?"

He's shake like shaking my hand, give me

a hug. All these other people are there.

And I got [ __ ] massive anxiety.

>> Yeah.

>> I was like, "This is crazy. How are

you?" And then so him and and Jamie was

there, too. And him and uh Taylor Lewan,

the football player, he he coaches

Taylor how to how to play blackjack. And

so they got together. He tells him when

to hit and when not to hit. And they did

it right next to us. Within five

minutes, Taylor was down $125,000.

>> Jesus.

>> I was like, "What are you doing?"

>> Oh, man. Yeah. That makes me nervous

just thinking about

>> he got up and then they quit. So he quit

ahead. I think he won like 100 grand and

then he quit.

>> You know they move on the back because

you can bet more per hand.

>> That that's what they're doing now.

>> Yeah, it's like up to 500k per hand or

something like that.

>> Which one's backarat?

>> How do you play that?

>> I I I've tried to watch it. I don't

really quite understand. It's apparently

not hard. You you're betting on the

dealer or the player.

>> Is that the big long table with all the

>> I don't understand it. It's not like

it's not as long as uh like roulette.

>> So Dana is on to that now or Taylor?

>> Yeah, I think that room they've switched

them all to back. I don't think it's

black.

>> So you could gamble more.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Definitely more faster.

>> He's mainlining the gamble now.

>> He told a story on um I think it was uh

was it Flagrant? It was Flagrant where

he talked about losing like $6 million

in one night.

>> Yeah. What?

>> Yeah. That's my theory about Slap Fight.

Why they're doing Slap Fight. I think

it's Dana's gambling money.

>> That's what I think. I think it's like

he needs some source of revenue outside

of the UFC so doesn't lose his UFC

money.

>> It's tough to watch, man. I

>> I don't watch it.

>> Yeah,

>> I've watched a couple of clips.

>> Sorry, Dana. I know you, but it's tough

to watch. You just people getting brain

damage over and over again.

>> Yeah, it's not my thing. I don't get it.

It's And it's all like the saddest

people getting whacked in the head.

>> It's not a good thing.

>> Not good. Yeah, they call it fights,

too. Like, okay. Okay, I know. I mean, I

guess you should come up with another

name. It's kind of insulting to an

actual fight,

>> right?

>> But that's my theory is that that's his

uh gambling money cuz that [ __ ] dude

gambles. Cuz I asked him once, I go,

"Oh, you like living here?" He goes, "I

love the action." Okay.

>> He's a good friend of mine, but he's a

different person than me.

>> That's awesome.

>> I'm not That's not me.

>> Yeah. If I lived in Vegas, I'd live way

outside of Vegas. And even then, I don't

think I could do it because we've talked

about um you know, we have a a comedy

club in town, the Comedy Mothership, and

we talked about doing another Mothership

somewhere. And the two most likely

places that we would be able to do it

are New York and Vegas. So, we talked

about doing one in Vegas, but I was

like, man, the only way it would work is

I I'd have to be there a lot. Like we'd

have to be there a lot and we'd have to,

you know, we'd have to make sure that

it's run right, that let's like run with

the same vibe that we run it here where

everybody's cool, there's no [ __ ]

everybody's real friendly and real

supportive of new comedians and then I'd

have to spend a lot of time there. I'm

like, I don't want to do that,

>> right?

>> This is

>> Wouldn't New York be like returning to

where you cut your teeth or something?

Is that where you started doing?

>> Yeah, I mean, I started in Boston, but I

I did spend a lot of time in New York.

Um, New York would be a better option

really because there's a lot more talent

there and in order to have a really good

comedy club. You you can't you can't

just start it out like you can't just go

like to Columbus, Ohio or Cincinnati or

I guess Columbus has like a little bit

of a scene, but you'd have to have a

real scene with like real headliners and

like top level talent,

>> right?

>> And the way we were able to pull it off

in Austin is everybody moved here during

the pandemic. Like me and Tony moved,

Ron White moved here first and then me

and Tony moved here and then once we

started doing shows, we were talking to

all our friends in LA and LA was shut

down during the pandemic. And so

everybody just kind of moved out here at

least temporarily cuz comedians are

junkies. Like they want to go on stage

and and it was taken away from them for

a year and a half in LA. Couldn't

perform in in LA for a year and a half.

Made no [ __ ] sense. And out here we

were just doing shows like in November

of 2020 like it was indoor shows and

super spreadder shows and so because of

that

>> super I forgot about that word.

>> Tom Sigura moved here Christina Pazitki

moved here. Tim Dylan moved here. I was

just like Shane Gillis moved here. It

was like we had so many like national

headliners we could pull off a club.

>> Yeah. But you have to have that kind of

thing where it's not just the weekends,

but you have to have like Tuesday shows,

Wednesday shows. It has to be like a lot

of people around that you could have a

show with

>> the infrastructure.

>> Yeah.

>> I randomly lived in Austin during co

>> Oh, really?

>> My wife and I, we got married in

November of 2019. She's from Brazil and

I'm from Ohio. So, we had no there was

nowhere we were going to live or it was

going to feel like home. But we, you

know, I'd lived in LA for 16 years. I

was ready to get out. We wanted to start

a family somewhere else. And uh we

didn't know where to go. So, we we came

here and December of 2019 and we had the

best two months ever and then everything

shut down and we're stuck in an

apartment, don't know anybody and you

know, it didn't really get a fair shake.

We loved it while it was going. And then

uh yeah, I I did about two months of

lockdown, couldn't do it anymore, and

then we bought an Airstream and just

started traveling around. And then I had

to be in Montana for work for

Yellowstone

>> and we parked the Airstream up there and

never left.

>> Oh wow. So we've lived

>> Montana's [ __ ] awesome. It's the

best.

>> It's so great. It's so beautiful. Last

time I was there was in the summer.

Well, actually, last time I was there, I

was hunting with Bourdain. We went

feeasant hunting there. That was pretty

cool.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it was one of the last times

I saw him.

>> What part?

>> Uh I forot I forget where we were. I I'm

pretty sure I flew into Boseman, but I

think we're outside of Billings.

>> Okay.

>> I forget. Um but the the summer there is

insane.

>> Yeah. Perfection.

>> It's so beautiful. Like everything's

green and you see the mountains and we

heard wolves howling one one night and

you see elk herds just chilling on the

side of a hill like god this place is

magical

>> and it doesn't get dark till like 11 at

night

>> right

>> yeah it's very confusing to know like

when to eat dinner because you're just

like it's light for so long but then in

the winter time the you know the

exchanges it gets dark at 4:30 p.m.

>> Right.

>> Um but yeah we love it man. It's the

best thing that has ever happened for

me. I'm just sort of like all the LA

stuff we were talking about.

>> It's the opposite of that.

>> The opposite. There's I have no FOMO

about anything anymore, you know? Oh,

that's great.

>> I I can just think and sleep and read

and watch films and it's the best.

>> Yeah. Well, your show made a lot of

[ __ ] people move out there, though.

>> That's true. Yeah. And they're not happy

about it. The valley that I live in, we

had some people come visit us. our

friends from California drove out and we

went on a hike and uh we were in their

car and they had you know Cali plates

and we get off the hike and someone had

written go back in the dust on their car

like people are super weird about so I

don't tell anyone like exactly where I'm

at because they would get really mad at

me.

>> Dude, that happened in 2012. I was

hunting in Montana. We went to the

Missouri Brakes and um we we were going

to this restaurant and one of the guys

in the restaurant had he had his car

parked outside and it was like a rental

car and someone had wrote go back home,

you know, like Montanas for Montans or

something like that. They rode it in the

dirt,

>> right? Which is dumb because if they

have the plates, they clearly aren't

living there, you know?

>> Right. Yeah. They're visiting.

>> They're going back.

>> Yeah. But it's just retards. You're

going to get retards in every state.

Like if you have a hundred people, one

of them's a [ __ ] idiot. Sure.

>> Right. And if you got a a town of, you

know, x amount of hundred thousand

people, you're gonna have a good amount

of [ __ ] dumb asses. For sure. Those

are the ones like, "This is our place.

We own it. This is our dirt."

>> Meanwhile, someone moved there at some

point.

>> Exactly.

>> You know, like somewhere along the line,

someone moved there and all you did was

stay.

>> Exactly.

>> You didn't do anything that cool.

>> Exactly.

>> You know what I mean?

>> Exactly. Exactly. And that one guy, I

can't go to bars there anymore cuz

whatever that one idiot is is at the bar

>> of course

>> and he can't wait to start a fight with

me. Just like can't wait to do it cuz

like it's a win-win for him, you know?

He gets to sue me or something. I don't

know, you know, but it's a lose-lose for

me. So,

>> well, it's just like his life is empty

and it's like all of a sudden there's

purpose and it's like you ruined

Montana.

>> [ __ ] off.

>> Right.

>> Yeah. Or my favorite is when they call

people colonizers. That's my favorite.

Like, bro, if you don't live in

Ethiopia, someone in your ancestor was a

colonizer.

>> Oh, 100%. Yeah. We all had to come from

somewhere. Also, isn't it like the most

American thing ever is that I can choose

where I want to live? That should be

celebrated.

>> It should be. Yeah.

>> The idea that, oh, we were here first.

Those are the same idiots that hate when

a band becomes successful cuz like, oh,

I knew them when they were underground,

now they sold out.

>> Yeah.

>> Just it's just a [ __ ] mentality. You're

always going to have that no matter

where you go. But Montanaans are like

fiercely proud of being from Montana.

>> Yeah. They'll always tell you what

generation they are, which is really

third generation Montana.

>> That's so silly.

>> Yeah. And I'm not Montan, but my son

will be, you know.

>> Yeah.

>> He can say that he is first generation,

>> right? It's like an anchor baby.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. He can go fly fishing and no one's

going to give him a hard time.

>> That's right.

>> I was born here. Okay.

>> Yeah, you're good.

>> You got a hall pass.

>> Yeah. But like people that live in like

that Yellowstone place, you know that um

>> Yellowstone Club.

>> Yeah, that place. Like those are like

fake Montans to Montan. I have a buddy

who lives up there. And he was saying,

"I don't know what the [ __ ] anybody

would live up there." Like cuz it's

awesome. What's wrong with you? It's

still Montana. Like let let it go.

>> Right. They just had some problem with

uh sewage being dumped into the river or

something like that.

>> The Yellowstone Club.

>> The Yellowstone Club.

>> Oh god.

>> Yeah. The the locals were very angry.

And I don't know if that's locals like

making some stuff up to sort of cause a

problem, but they were saying that they

were finding sewage from the Yellowstone

Club in the in the local river there.

>> Whoa.

>> Yeah, you have to look that up.

>> Oh, whoa. Yeah, that's not good. That's

the problem with rich people.

>> Yeah,

rich people are like, "Fuck everybody

else." I haven't been to that place, but

I heard it's awesome. And the views, I

mean, I've seen photographs of it. God,

the [ __ ] views there are insane.

Yeah,

>> I have multiple friends that live in

Montana and the the thing about it is

like everybody will tell you like when

you're surrounded by those mountains and

you look out at them every day, it like

centers you and it humbles you.

>> That's exactly right.

>> It's like the most spectacular natural

art you're ever going to see and it's

around you all the time.

>> And I drink my coffee every morning

looking out the window and it looks like

a painting and it never gets old. you

know, if if if we need to go to the

grocery store, I I'll do it because it's

so fun to drive there. You know, you get

out, you put some tunes on, it's the

best thing ever versus like living in LA

to go anywhere was the worst thing ever,

>> right?

>> Um yeah, everything's a pleasure up

there, man. It's really It's something.

But if you if you if you need any sort

of like fast pace or socialization or if

you're like trying to meet a babe or

something, it's not going to happen.

>> There's no people, dude.

>> Yeah, I get that. There's a little of

that in Austin. They're upset that the

Californians moved here.

>> Yeah,

>> they were upset. They a lot of people

blamed me and Elon. Sure.

>> They blamed us for for moving here and

ruining Austin. Like,

>> sorry we made it more awesome. [ __ ]

[ __ ] Shut your mouth. It's It's all

the same thing. It's like people that

want credit for being here first. Like,

[ __ ] off. Now you have more restaurants,

way more comedy. There's like seven

comedy clubs on my street now. on the

street where my club is. There's seven

comedy clubs now.

>> That's amazing.

>> It's like one of the the big hubs of

live comedy in the world now.

>> Did it have it at all before?

>> It had a couple places. There was a

place uh called Cap City that actually

went under before the pandemic or

actually like right at the beginning of

the pandemic. When I got here, it was

for sale and so I was looking at that

place to buy it and but it didn't work

out. And then there was another there's

another place that's been around forever

called the Velvita room. It's a real

small room. I think it seats like a

hundred or so. And then, you know, I

think there was maybe a couple other

bars that maybe had comedy and there was

like a small scene of some comedians,

but nothing like what it is now. Like,

it's not even not even comparable. I

mean, there's like 17 18 worldass comics

that live here now.

>> Wow.

>> It's crazy.

>> And talk about stage fright. I think

that is that would be the hardest art

form.

>> Getting up. You have no help. There's

nothing to hide behind, right? There's

no music,

>> right? There's like, you know, it's just

silence and you and a microphone.

>> You can't just get into your tune and

[ __ ] just play and close your eyes.

>> Yeah.

>> No, there was a there was a film

actually one time that I was attached to

to play a stand-up comedian. And I I

promised the director that if we got our

funding and got the green light to go

that I'd go do it, that I'd actually go

out and like work up 15 minutes and

just, you know, do it until I understood

what it was like. And that movie fell

through and I was very very happy about

that because I didn't want to do it.

>> It's hard.

>> I bet. Man,

>> it's it's confusing because the people

are just talking. You're like, why is

that hard to do? Everybody talks, you

know, like everybody could tell a story.

Everybody could and it seems easy to do

until you do it and then you're like,

"Oh, this is

>> But I was hooked right away cuz right I

I sucked the first night I did. I

bombed." But I was like, I got a couple

of laughs on some things and I was like,

I think I can figure this out. But I

was, like I said, I was more scared than

when I was fighting. I was more scared

before like a big fight. Like it was

weird. I was like, why am I nerv? It

didn't make any sense.

>> My friend Whitney Cummings explained it

to me. She said, "People have this fear

of public speaking because in tribal

societies

back in the day, the only time you spoke

in front of a large group of people was

when you're being judged because they

were going to kill you."

>> Oh, interesting.

>> Right.

>> Yeah.

>> Doesn't that make sense?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, like if you're front in front

of the people, they're all like, "What

did he do?" You know, so you have to

like, "Guys, I didn't steal the

tomatoes."

>> Yeah. I never thought about that.

>> Yeah. Weird.

>> That's what it is. Yeah. No place to

hide, man. I don't know that that sounds

scary. And especially if like it starts

going bad, like if you start to bomb

>> is there is there any way out of that or

is it

>> People have recovered? Yeah. People have

started off bombing and then pulled

themselves out of it. I've done it a

couple of times. Most of the time when

I'm bombing, I'm bombing forever.

>> Like but you're going down. But the

there's a good to that. All right. The

good is you have to reexamine your

material and you every time in my career

in the like the early days when I bombed

I always got way better afterwards

because I was like whatever the [ __ ]

that was I don't want to experience that

again and I really focused and really

really wrote like crazy and went over

recordings and buttoned down and trimmed

things and changed things around and

>> you need losses. Losses are very

important. They're important in

fighting. They're important in they're

important in they're important in life.

Like uh one of my kids just had a

breakup recently and I had a

conversation with her and I go, I know

this sucks,

>> but this is actually important. Like it

has to happen. And I told her like about

like first time a girl broke up with me

when I was 17. It was devastating.

>> Oh, the worst.

>> Oh, the worst feeling.

>> Couldn't believe my life was over. I'm

only 17. I can I'm never going to

recover. I'm like, it's so important

because you realize like as time passes,

you understand that this is just a

moment in time and there's other people

you're going to meet and it's just you

have to develop some resiliency, some

emotional resiliency,

>> right?

>> And so, you have to experience that. And

you also have to realize that, you know,

people, they don't know what they're

doing either. Like, boys don't know what

they're doing, girls don't know what

they're doing. They're kind of figuring

it out as they go along. The people

break up and they make up. And these are

these lessons that you have to learn in

life. And loss is important because it

makes you understand like why this

person gets sick of me? Why am I

annoying? Why, you know, what, you know,

am I selfish? Like what is it? Like what

is wrong with me? You know, why, you

know, why am I picking these people that

are going to break my heart? Why don't I

adjust? Why don't I like maybe I should

spend some time alone and figure out

what the [ __ ] is wrong with me or figure

out who I am? And those moments where

you have to kind of go through things

and figure them out, they're so

important for you in life. And for a

comic, bombing can often times be one of

the best like motivating factors to take

you to another level in your career

>> or wreck your confidence forever.

>> Right.

>> Just like fighting.

>> Yeah, I was going to say it happens to

fighters as well.

>> Oh yeah. Some fighters lose and they're

never the same again. And some fighters

lose and then a new version of him

emerges in the next fight. You're like,

"Whoa, this dude dialed in."

>> Who would be a good example of that?

>> Charles Olivera.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Yeah. He's the best example of it

because for the longest time, everybody

thought he was a quitter. Like he would

just break and now he's like one of the

scariest [ __ ] alive.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, especially this last weekend,

the fight with Max Holloway. Like good

lord.

>> Like Max Holloway was a two to one

favorite in that fight. He got shut out.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Like literally every round was a

dominant performance by Olive Vera. It

was crazy.

>> It's funny people complaining about that

fight, too. It's like the

>> Cuz it was on the ground,

>> right?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> My daughter complained about it.

>> Did you? She like the main event was so

boring.

>> You're a casual. My kids a casual.

>> People love a slugfest, don't they?

>> Oh, yeah. They do. They do. They do love

a slugfest. Yeah. But, you know, that's

that's the sport. sport is like

sometimes it's going to be exciting and

sometimes it's just going to be a ground

battle. But for me it was exciting

because I was trying to figure out

whether Max could get up, what he could

do to prevent from getting taken down

and whether or not he could figure out a

way to reverse the position and get on

top and you know when you're watching

like a guy dominate a world champion

like that, it's just you're in Marvel.

You're like, "Wow, this is crazy. I

can't believe he's able to do this. This

is nuts.

>> I wish I would have started jiu-jitsu

when I was small cuz I tried like you

know late 30s and I was like it was kind

of like the golf thing where I was like

well first of all it's way cooler than

golf but I was like the amount of time

it's going to take me until this doesn't

feel like being smothered.

>> Yeah.

>> Is going to be a long time and I don't

know if I have I I don't know if I can

start now. You know what I mean?

>> Takes forever.

>> I'm sure.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Like if how long would it

take for like a grown person until it

until you actually know what's going on

intuitively and it doesn't feel like

chaos? Like how long?

>> Well, there's there's layers of knowing

intuitively. Like there's guys like even

as a black belt, there's guys that I

could roll with and I would just get

humiliated

>> cuz they're just so much better than I

am. Like my friend Gordon Ryan, that's

his belt up there. Abu Dhabi champion.

He's the greatest of all time. Like and

he's 30. Yeah. the the greatest grappler

that's ever lived.

>> That looks like man.

>> He's a He's a freak. He's amazing.

>> But he trains 365

days a year. He does not take breaks

off.

>> Christmas, [ __ ] you. It's your birthday,

[ __ ] you. Happy Easter, [ __ ] you. He

trains every day. And he trains like

twice a day, three times a day. It's

like that is the only way to be the

greatest. And you know, and he's

obviously a lot bigger than me, but it's

not the best example, but he does that

to heavyweight black belts. It just

humiliates them. They have no He writes

down on a piece of paper what he's going

to do to them and hands it to the judges

before the fight.

>> So he's like I'm gonna triangle this guy

like and he's doing it to world

champions.

>> Amazing.

>> Like guys who have been like multiple

time world champions.

>> Wow.

>> And he's just predicting what he's going

to do and then he passes on every

submission until he can get him in that.

Like he's having fun. He's like he's

playing with his food, you know? So

there's levels to stuff. So to be

competent in rolling, you could get

there in a couple years depending on how

often you train. Like Bourdain got

really serious at 58.

>> Wow.

>> At 58.

>> That's when he started.

>> That's when he started. Yeah.

>> Oh.

>> When I first met him, he wasn't training

at all. When I first met him, um he came

to the UFC. His wife was really into the

UFC and she was she had just started

doing jiu-jitsu and um she was getting

him into the sport and he really got

interested in it. And then she took it

him to jiu-jitsu classes and like [ __ ]

this is actually kind of fascinating.

>> Yeah.

>> And he had never done any kind of

athletic things in his whole life. And

then like when he was six, there's a

photo of him like in his 60s and he's

walking down the street with his he'd

gotten divorced and he was dating some

new girl and he's got this six-pack and

he looks shredded. And when I when I

first met him, he was like doughy and he

had a thumb ring and he was like, you

know, a chef and, you know, was into

drinking and he just became a jiu-jitsu

addict and he was training every [ __ ]

day and sometimes twice a day. He would

do a private lesson and he would take a

class every day.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. He got a And then he he told me he

was taking his like when we were hunting

in Montana, he we were on the ground in

Montana, he wanted to like learn some

stuff. So I was explaining him certain

like I'm like when you go for a dar

there's a way to get there's a thing

called the Japanese necktie and I was

explaining to him on the dirt. I was

like

>> you guys all camoed out doing

>> jiu on the ground but he was like he was

so interested in it that he was he was

like constantly asking questions and he

had guys that were in the crew that had

also gotten interested in jiu-jitsu

because of him. So like while he was

there filming his show, he also went

down and was training. He found a local

jiu-jitsu gym and he went down there and

trained while he was there. He would

train everywhere on the road. Yeah. He

would go to like foreign countries and

train. Like he didn't even speak the

language. And you know, he's this

[ __ ] famous guy from TV and he's just

rolling in there with like normal people

and getting strangled.

>> 58. Man, that's incredible. I have no

excuse. I'm I'm gonna start.

>> Yeah. Do it.

>> I want to put it in front of my kid for

sure.

>> Oh, definitely.

>> I mean, as soon as he can do it, I want

him to try, you know, if he likes it or

not. But it's like I feel like it's one

of those things. It's so good to connect

with other people in that way from such

a young age. It gives you confidence and

then

>> if you if you love it, if if he has a

passion for it, you don't have to worry

about him becoming a drug addict or

something because you can't be both.

Like you know, there's a few things

where like you can't be both. You've got

to really give that everything.

>> Also, it becomes like a real source of

confidence for kids if they know that

they can fight like they can avoid

fights. people won't want to fight them

because they'll have a reputation. They

can It's very good to know. It's also

like you can get out of things just by

knowing how to fight because you know

like what people are doing, what they're

not doing. You don't say anything stupid

because you're trying to trick a person

into thinking that you're a tough guy.

There's a quiet confidence that comes

with these guys. And also, if something

does happen,

>> most people have zero idea of how to

fight. Zero. And they think they're just

going to swing and hit you in the face.

And you see all this [ __ ] coming way

before it happens. Like you see them

moving their right foot back like oh god

like here we go.

>> Like it's it's like they're playing a

game but they don't even know the rules.

Like they don't even know the skill.

They don't know anything but they've

seen it on TV and they think they're

going to be able to pull it off,

especially if they're drunk.

>> Oh yeah. There's a whole uh Instagram

channel that's uh dedicated to fights on

Sixth Street here. Have you seen this?

It's amazing, dude. It's incredible. You

can just watch it for hours. I've seen a

bunch. Yeah, a lot of them taking place

right in front of my club. Fights on the

street are so scary because guys fall

and they hit their head. That's it's

that's how people die. People die where

they get punched in the jaw and they go

out and they just bang their head off

the ground.

>> Or there's a lot of people out there

that'll when you're already out step on

your head or kick your head. We see that

a lot.

>> That's I don't understand anyone who has

the impulse to do that.

>> That's crazy to me. Like if you've won

the fight already, move on. You know,

that's that's scary stuff. That's evil.

>> Well, some people that get red with rage

and they lose their mind and then they

wind up in jail for the rest of their

life and they're just sitting in a cell

going, "What the fuck?" One night drunk

doing something stupid and now I'm here

forever.

>> Yeah,

>> it's crazy.

>> And there's And someone's dead.

>> And someone's dead. And someone's

parents are crying and someone's missing

their father. Like, [ __ ] man.

>> Because he looked at my girlfriend.

>> Yeah,

>> that's crazy.

>> I know. People are [ __ ] Yeah. The

best thing about fighting is it teaches

you not to fight. Very few of my friends

that know how to fight have ever been in

street fights. It's almost never

happens.

>> Just like just it's such a stupid thing

to do.

>> How many times in your life have you had

to use it like practically in a real

life?

>> Really?

>> Never. Not since I was in like high

school. I've I've never been in a fight

fight like an actual fight since high

school. I'll avoid them.

>> Yeah. I'm not like if if I know I could

[ __ ] you up and I could just get away.

I'm like I just get away. I don't need

to prove like what's the point? Also,

here's the thing. People always say,

"Oh, if I could fight, I'd [ __ ] people

up." Great. And then they're going to

come back and kill you,

>> you know, and then they're going to run

you over or shoot you or don't be

stupid. Like, it's it's pointless. It's

pointless. You know, I've had situations

where I thought I was going to have to

[ __ ] somebody up and I didn't. But you

have to have self-control. You have to,

you know, you have to be able to know.

And also like most people, like if they

want to fight you, all you have to do is

kind of like put your hands up and move

a little bit. Like they're not going to

be able to do anything. They'll be

swinging and you're just like, "Come on,

man. What What are we doing here?" Yeah.

What are we doing? And

>> it's it's The only time people get hurt

is when you engage. Like you're both

swinging at each other. If someone's

swinging at you and they don't know what

they're doing, they have almost no

chance of hurting me. Like zero. Unless

I'm asleep, unless I'm really drunk, you

have almost zero chance of hitting me,

right?

>> Unless you really know what to do. If

you really know how to fight, most of

those people really know how to fight

aren't fighting people any street

fighting.

>> Yeah. And I'm not going to provoke

anybody. I'm not going to start a fight.

>> So, it's like,

>> I mean, I know a few of my friends that

have had to [ __ ] people up. Gordon had

to beat the [ __ ] out of a homeless guy

in Austin. What?

>> Yeah.

>> No way.

>> Oh, yeah. some homeless guy. [ __ ] the

wrong dude.

>> Boy, did he. And Gordon tried to get out

of it, but the the guy wouldn't. And he

put him to sleep.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah.

>> Put him to sleep and then called the

cops and the cops came and picked the

guy up.

>> Humiliated.

>> Oh my the wrong guy. But that shows you

how [ __ ] stupid people are cuz

Gordon's a gorilla. He's this big giant

240 pound jack dude who's uh you know I

don't know how many time jiu-jitsu world

champion and some [ __ ] idiot

>> right

>> you know probably high out of his minds

are

>> picks a fight with him I think he picked

a fight with his girlfriend first I

think he [ __ ] with his girlfriend and

[ __ ] with another guy and just a problem

just some guys are just nuts man yeah

>> and you know mental health issues and

>> but fights are stupid they're they're so

pointless you know organized fights is a

different thing. I mean, that's high

level problem solving with dire physical

consequences. That's what I call it.

That's what a real fight is. Like a like

we both agree we're going to

>> make a certain weight. We're going to

meet se September 7th. Here it is.

That's a different thing.

>> It's a beautiful thing. It's like a

chess match and you can't breathe, you

know?

>> Yeah. It's crazy.

>> Yeah. It's a good way to put it. Yeah.

But in chess, the the pieces can only

move a certain way, right? In jiu-jitsu,

what's nuts is there's like so many

different variations and then you add in

striking and wrestling and like oh my

god, it's so I love it. I I'll never get

tired of watching MMA. It's the most

exciting thing ever for me. I like other

sports like I've really grown to love

football since I moved to Texas and I

can watch a good basketball game.

Baseball's hard, but to me it's all just

downtime unless fights are on,

>> right?

>> If fights are on, I'm not watching

anything else. Like I've been at

football games like at the UT games with

the UFC on my phone sitting there while

I'm watching the UFC.