Welcome to the standup. This week we

have with us some legendary guests. We

have a trash dev. We have Tev and first

time pod on the podcast, Bash Bunny.

Longtime friend though.

Uh anyways, sorry. This is going to be a

unique week because it is going to be a

little bit faster paced. We're going to

cover a couple more stories than normal.

And uh that's because this week has just

been super strange and I'm not really

sure how to describe it other than

probably this image right here. Maybe

this is the best way to describe what

has been going on. For those that can't

see, this is Gary Tan, president and CEO

of Y Combinator in a full bodysuit

lobster outfit. Uh let's just say that

people have open claw fever right now.

Uh, second off, there's another really

great uh, tweet that I thought would be

kind of fun to show, which is that like

40ome thousand accounts are currently

just completely wide open with OpenClaw,

>> where that means that anyone can just

log on and have admin privileges to your

entire life. And there's just thousands

upon thousands of these available on the

internet. And just one more, the head of

AI alignment and safety at Meta

accidentally had her inbox deleted and

then after having her inbox deleted by

OpenClaw decided, I'm going to tweet

this and went on the internet and told

every I you wouldn't be able to get that

out of me no matter what. I would be

hiding that information forever.

>> Cold dead hands.

>> Yeah, I got a quick clarification on

that, Prime. Yeah,

>> there is 0% chance you wouldn't leak

that that happened.

>> Well, yeah, but it'd be by accident, not

on purpose.

>> Okay. There's a huge difference between

the two.

>> We would find out.

>> All right. Uh, so I guess I guess the

real question is has I know we're we're

going to probably have a much different

experience in the Y Combinator podcast

uh of everyone dressed up as a lobster.

Has anyone here tried out one of these

AI personal assistants?

>> No.

>> No, cuz I'm terrified of myself.

No, not yet. I mean, I run I run a lot

of accept all dangerously permissions on

my computer, but I'm I'm at the screen

for when that happens. Like this virtual

cam I'm on right now because I'm calling

in from Linux today. OBS didn't have it

and I just said install all the packages

you need to make that work. And then it

did.

>> I don't know if it installed anything

else.

>> But you did,

>> but I have working virtual cam in one

try. So that was cool. That is actually

huge.

>> Yeah.

>> On Linux.

>> On Linux. On Linux. First try. Arch

even.

>> Hey, is that HTTP? Get that out of here.

That's not how we order coffee. We order

coffee via ssh terminal.shop. Yeah. You

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>> I hear video is getting easier these

days. Not that I'm actually going to do

anything with it, but I hear it's still

easier than audio. That's like the

general consensus. Okay, but real

question. Are any of you in the next

little bit going to be trying out these

autonomous bots?

>> I think I will be. I was moving myself.

I was talking to some people will be.

>> Yeah. I was talking to some people and

they were like giving me like a little

demo and I was like, "Man, that's pretty

cool." So, uh, if I could just like

build stuff while I'm just like

chilling, eating pancakes somewhere, I'm

going to try it. So, actually this past

weekend, I started embracing vibe coding

more. So, I started vibe coding a lot of

like iOS apps. So, I'm going to start

using like these agents so I can just

start prompting from wherever I am. It

does.

>> It's pretty different though than the

the assistant thing. Like, I've been

doing a lot of remote like cloud stuff.

I I've done like two billion tokens in

the last

>> Oh my god.

>> Um but but that's different than the

assistant stuff. The assistant stuff is

like I want to hook it up to my email so

it can like book a reservation for me

and my wife and then remind me that it's

Valentine's Day today or something. You

know what I mean? Like

>> so my primary use case for that is I

currently get spam calls from like all

these financial like debt loans or

whatever. So I'm trying to see if I can

use like OpenCL or whatever to just like

somehow block all those or just like

them all for me. It's like

>> question. Why do you get those spam

calls, trash? Is there anything that you

wish to tell us?

>> Well, I'll be honest. I thought it was

real at first and I started freaking

out.

>> But after about five about after 500

calls from the same woman, I assume

they're fake at this point. So, we need

I just need to get them out of my inbox,

dude. Seriously, 10 like 10 times a day,

I got to delete my voicemails all the

time. I don't know how to stop it.

>> You are You're not blocking the You're

not blocking the the number. There's you

block it, but they just call from a

different number.

>> Oh, okay. I thought you were saying

though you were getting a call from the

same lady. Is it like it was the same

number every time you're

>> That's how I knew they were fake. I was

like, there's no way this woman keep

calling me this this many times. It's

impossible.

>> I didn't know this many people wanted to

talk to me.

>> Trash, maybe you leaked the shirtless

pick. I don't know. You know,

>> I don't know. Possibly. Possibly.

>> All right. So So Trash, you're actually

going to give it a try. And your current

try is to do something that other

software already does. Are you going to

try to do a little bit of personal

assistance on it? Like, have you done

any research?

>> That's my personal assistance. It's to

make my life better. Dude, the software

on the on the Apple phone, it just

silences the call, but it doesn't like

go through your inbox and like

automatically clean it up.

>> Oh, can you make it go into your Dude,

that seems crazy. I do not I do not need

it going through and deleting.

>> Can open call do whatever it wants.

>> That's true. It's a It's It's uh

Everything's open to it, I guess. I

don't know.

>> Can you do this intelligence skill for

it? I think it it is open. But TJ,

>> yeah,

>> obviously obviously you can go through

inboxes and delete stuff.

>> Great point.

>> Like I mean it just

>> Well, that's your email. I didn't know

if it could do like your local voicemail

on your phone or something, but I should

I should just assume that yes, it can do

absolutely everything. Poor

>> To be fair, I haven't set up voicemail

in over 10 years. So, I don't know how

it works these days. I don't know if

it's changed cuz before it used to be

like with your provider would do your

voicemails. Now it could be like local

and people could get transcripts and

things are a lot different than they

used to be.

>> You What do you mean set it up, dude?

It's just like you get a phone and you

can leave a voicemail on someone's

phone.

>> Call me right now.

>> I'm I can't

>> Dad. Seriously, call me right now.

>> Okay. Not

>> Does Does Android not come with

voicemail?

>> Don't Don't show the screen when it

rings.

>> Yeah.

I'm calling right now.

>> That would be like the worst bumble of

all time.

>> I'm calling right now.

>> It does say your number, so

>> Yeah. Yeah, that's like there's no way

he probably doesn't hear

>> people. People People are so respectful

on

>> Hit ignore so it goes to voicemail.

>> No, no, no. We're going to play it out.

I want to make sure that people All

right, TJ,

>> that was the worst.

>> Put it up to Hey, TJ. Put put your phone

up to the microphone.

>> Okay.

>> All right. I'm I'm going to ignore you.

>> It's there.

>> Stop. Don't show your phone screen.

>> They definitely enhance.

>> The person you were trying to reach has

a voicemail that has not been set up

yet.

>> What?

How do people reach you? What if there's

an emergency?

>> Then I I will either answer my phone or

I won't. [ __ ] text me. I don't need I

don't need you leaving me voicemails.

What is this?

>> It feels like that's something that you

have to actively go do. I just got a

phone and it has voicemail.

>> No, you have to set up.

>> Yeah,

>> you have to set it up.

>> It's been so long that I don't even

know.

>> I've switched services. I'm not setting

that. I'm not setting that up.

>> Yeah. Don't

>> I don't I don't

>> This guy's an emergency contact for

somebody. Can you believe

>> I believe it. Open Clock could set it up

for you.

>> Open Open Clock could set this up. I

ain't set it up. I'm never setting it

up.

>> Okay. Well, mine works. Maybe I did

something I guess a while ago. I don't

know.

>> Yeah, you actually set it up and then

you forgot about it. And you're just

like, I don't

>> It doesn't have my It doesn't have my It

doesn't have my It doesn't have my voice

message. It just says a Google Fi user

has not been able to get to the phone.

Here you go. That's what it says.

>> Okay, that might be a Google thing.

Google might actually automatically have

it set up for you.

>> The original Open Claw.

>> The original The original.

>> I could use Open.

>> What are these iOS apps that you're

vibing

>> since we're here? What are these iOS

apps that you're vibing?

>> It's a secret cuz I'm have a big L. I'm

just kidding. Uh, one specifically one

specifically for me and my wife. So,

there's like this uh we we get these

arguments where I'm like, "Man, you just

left food in the sink again?" She's

like, "Oh, I left food in the sink

again. When's the last time I did that?"

And I was like,

No.

>> And I'm like, I don't know. She's like,

she's like, that's right. You can't tell

me. And I'm like, [ __ ] I'm making an

app to log this [ __ ]

>> This is literally episode 3, season 1 of

Black Mirror where the the entire

history of you. You're like trying to

like rewind and be like, "Oh, yeah. You

did do this last week."

>> Literally, I'm literally like I'm so

close to like $100 in and it's almost

done. I swear.

>> Trash. Pro tip. Can I give Can I give

you a pro tip? Just a quick pro tip.

It's actually

>> trash automated.

>> No, it's actually not about vibe coding.

The pro tip would just be you say,

"You're so right, honey. My bad. I'll

clean that up."

>> Well, well, so this is that this is the

other aspect of it is like I don't want

to cause an argument, so I'm using like

AI to tell me how to frame it better so

I don't sound like a douche.

>> Okay, here. Can I Can I also hop in on a

pro tip?

>> Are you ready for this one?

>> You see some dirty dishes in the sink

>> and you just clean them up?

>> I do, but I'm still not. Oh, kids, you

dishes in here. And if they say yes, you

go, you clean those up and you learn

yourself some responsibility.

>> And if it's not your kids, you go, I'll

clean these up. Not a big deal.

>> I thought you were going to say if it's

not your kids, you say, "Hey kids, you

want to earn your room and board?"

>> Yeah, for

>> you can also do that.

>> Yeah. But no, but that's that's my uh

that's my app idea that I'm currently

building right now. So then I can

>> I originally called it receipts. So I

could be like, "Here's the receipts to

like

>> Oh my god, is so funny." But the but the

AI was like that's a little too

aggressive for a title.

>> Trash. Quick question. Does she know

that you're building this?

>> No. She tried to She like walked up one

time and I closed my laptop. I was like

I'm I'm just going to hit you with like

photo evidence and she's probably either

going to divorce me or she's going to

use it against me. So I'm going to let

her use it too and we're just going to

like battle test each other.

>> The problem is it's going to you're

going to find out afterwards. You're the

one that's always doing it 10 times as

often.

>> I think my wife's listening. Are you

outside the door listening?

My wife is literally listening to the

conversation. She get

>> My wife is literally listening outside

the door right now.

>> Bring her in.

>> Bring her on the pod.

>> Bring her on the pod. Trash. Come on.

>> Don't do it. Trash. Come on.

>> I'm not exposing my wife to the

internet.

>> Go away.

>> I heard you're like eating a bowl of

cereal outside on the door. Ridiculous.

>> That I'm putting that on the app.

Another instance. going in. Receipt

number

>> receipt number one.

>> Your days are numbered, woman.

>> You should call you should have like the

subtitle of your app receipts be

speedrunning divorce any percent.

>> Yeah, for real.

>> But yeah, that's that's what I'm doing

with my life.

>> Nice.

>> Okay,

>> I love that. Bash, do you have anything

going on?

>> Hey, Bash, what are you doing?

I am I have not been uh I have not been

vibe coding. Actually, I guess I did

technically vive code a little something

for for stream.

Um just I I added a little schedule

command that went with uh that works

with Nightbot so that when because

everyone gets confused on time zones. So

I did that

>> and then I've been working on a little

um a little blog post management thing

for myself as a little personal project.

uh no vibes

and that's been good except I'm now at

the point where I'm like experiencing

all of the all of the foot guns that

previous me has uh has set out for

myself. So I'm at that point where I'm

like it's forced refactor.

>> If you if you like experiencing foot

guns, you should really try vibe coding

>> literally.

Tell me more trash.

>> I don't know. I'm a swift expert at this

point. So,

>> at least you have a quad skill that says

you are. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Okay.

>> I haven't even looked at the code yet.

>> So, you don't do much vibing at all

then. You're still all you're all

trading.

>> Well, I think it's kind of like I think

I would I would do it more, but I feel

like right now I feel like my my main

goal is actually that like friction, you

know? My main goal is like learning

right now. And like I I want to just I'm

happy. I I enjoy the the struggle.

Um yeah, I I think that if it was

something where I like just want the

results, then that's like I'd be happy

to do it at that vibe. But yeah, with

this project, I'm just like, nah, I want

to I want to feel it all.

>> Smart.

>> I'll tell you what though, I'm in I'm in

Prime's old codebase at work. AI cannot

help me in that codebase. Insane.

>> That's a wonderful absolutely insane.

>> Did you figure out how focus works? No,

you didn't.

>> I don't know. I don't know anything. I

don't know anything about anything. It's

insane.

>> Okay, for those that don't understand,

uh, Gibbon, which is what he's dealing

with, NRDP, Netflix ready device

platform. Uh,

>> oh, is that what that means? Never knew

that.

>> Okay, team, bro.

>> Anyways, just been there for many years.

You've been there since the great crash,

which you caused, and you still haven't.

You didn't even know this. Uh, okay. So,

NDP is like a browser. It is almost up

to date with all browser standards, but

there's also things that browsers do

that you just don't realize, such as

focus. Have you ever thought about the

fact that when you like you like hover

your mouse over something like there's

focus? When you click on a box, there's

focus. If you try to move around,

there's no focus. Oh, it's focused. So,

there's this uh if you look through

there, I think they used to use Powowski

distances. I don't know if it's changed,

but they do like programmatic

calculation of focuses and all that kind

of stuff. And so if you can figure out

how focus works and here's the best part

is since everyone got react pled focus

works through react.

So props there's like selected and all

this it is beautiful. It is a be like

everything's a higher order component.

How great is the higher order component

thresh

how how much fun are you having?

>> Zero.

>> I'm trying to have like AI help me like

dissect the codebase. I'm like what does

this do? And I don't care. I don't even

know if it's telling the truth or not to

be honest. But I'm believing it. So,

we'll find out. Ask me again in six

months.

>> Okay. All right. We'll put it on the

calendar. You know what I just what I

put on the calendar that's just about to

come up that I know

>> to put it on the calendar. Remind me in

six months.

>> Open. Remind me in six months. Uh is

about the Apple iPhone strap thing. I

know Casey's gonna get make fun of me so

much next week for saying that. But I

thought Apple people were going to buy

it and I've never seen one in public.

>> It's coming next week.

>> Wait, it's coming as in it's dropping or

you bought one and it's

>> No, no, no. I'm saying the six-month

reminder that we're I I told Casey it

you will see one public by now and he

said definitely not. And um

>> it's been 6 months

>> I think. So yeah, sorry Tra

>> That was like three weeks ago.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry to break that

to you.

Um, Prime, I want to hear more about the

stories that you had.

>> Which stories?

>> The ones at the beginning. I thought we

were going to talk about them.

>> Oh, yeah. We can talk about the stories.

All right. For those Yeah. I mean, I

That's That's totally cool. Uh, I think

this is my I mean, this is obviously the

probably the the most hilarious of them

all. Do you want to hear about this?

>> Is this Is this a video on it, so that's

why I wasn't sure if you actually wanted

to hear about this, but this is Oh, no.

I just moved my chat. There we go. Oh,

yeah. We're back into place. Uh this one

right here that you can see uh obviously

on the screen cuz it's very clear and

it's definitely the proper size and

everything and you're not having

problems seeing it. That

>> is uh a text message back and forth. So

this is a a head of safety and AI

alignment at Meta. So this person should

be knowing a lot about how AI works.

How's that?

>> Open claw zoom. Open claw enhance. Open

claw. Sorry. Go ahead.

>> Oh my god.

>> It's Why do people trust this?

their data.

>> Great question, Bash. Great question.

>> So, this is the most confusing part

about the whole thing is that they it is

that any like so many people are

launching into this so fast to kind of

put into perspective. Linux has 218,000

stars. Open Claw has like 221,000 stars

last time I checked.

>> That's insane.

>> So, that's how it came out in November

or October.

>> So, it's like a straight up curve. they

are immediately like everybody's jumping

on to this idea of a personal assistant.

And I think I understand why it'd be

convenient if I just had somebody that's

like, "Yo, find me flowers and make

their sure they come on this date." And

I could just like say that and then it

just goes off and does things like I see

the appeal of having something I can

just tell to do a bunch of stuff to.

>> Yeah.

>> But also if you just read the text in

here which is it it says no, do not do

that. No, stop. Stop. Like just over and

over again.

>> Just a little more context. People do

not know the story.

>> Okay. The story is very very simple. uh

the head of alignment and safety at

Netflix decides to give OpenClaw a

whirl.

>> No,

>> sorry at Meta. Gives OpenClaw a whirl,

hooks it up to uh her email and then I

assume the thing that happened before

this was please clean out my inbox for

all like a bunch of old junk mail or

something like that. and it decides that

effectively 24 hours and older is bad

emails and just starts deleting

everything that's 24 hours and older and

just keeps on going as fast as possible

until she can get to her computer and

control C it

>> cuz she didn't know how to stop it from

her phone.

>> Yeah, I love exec nuclear option nuclear

options sends me.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Do not do that. Like

>> it's like it's like when you're when you

have a dog and your dog is like eating

something. You're like no stop. Don't

eat the trash. Like it's like you're

This is like a dog in this in this

dog to stop it, but you can't.

>> Yeah.

>> You're trying to grab the chicken bone

out of its mouth like while it's

>> They're pooping on the carpet. DON'T

POOP ON THE FLOOR.

>> For me, nuclear option.

>> Nuclear option.

>> Trash. That is so funny. For me, it's uh

when the dog starts making the throat

sound

and you're laying in bed and you're you

YOU'RE LIKE YOU'RE RUNNING out of bed,

the blankets on you and you're like,

"No, don't do it." It's just like on the

carpet. My dog always runs for the

carpet as opposed to running for like

the the hardwoods. So, because you know,

it's like grass

>> and so I think she's like trying to be

helpful or something. I'm not really

sure what's going on, but every

>> No, she's fighting you, bro. She's

fighting you. This is like, dude, my cat

did that, but my cat would jump off the

bed and go underneath the bed to where I

can't grab him. And I'm just And I'm

just like I'm like trying to reach like

underneath the bed. I'm like, "No." And

my cat's just like

I'm just like, "No." I'm And then after

like a minute. I'm like [ __ ]

fantastic. Guess I'm cleaning that up at

4 in the morning. I hate it.

>> So open PTSD from that

>> that people are giving all of their

ether.

>> Yeah. You know what? I don't even want

to try open call anymore.

>> It might puke on the rug.

>> It might puke on the rug.

>> There is one I forgot I forgot to put

this one in, which I am a little bit uh

surprised. I can't tell if this is

actually real or not real. Like at this

point in life, I can't tell when things

are actually just we're we're faking

stuff. I forgot I had my transitions on.

So, just

>> transitioned on us, bro.

>> Sick transition, dude.

>> In case we forgot his name.

>> Oh, you're the private jet. Oh, okay.

Okay.

>> Holy [ __ ] That's the private jet.

>> Yeah. Welcome, guys. So, I know that

this is from programmer humor, but this

is the state of affairs we're currently

in with OpenClaw, which this one's

kernel mode. You just they're jokingly

or this is actually dead serious. I

never actually went and figured it out,

which is that it can just apparently

operate as pseudo. You just give it

pseudo privileges at all times and it

just can go in and out of any privileged

access that it needs. I know this is

generally a joke, but people would use

this immediately.

>> Yeah.

>> And go and be like, "Oh, yeah. We should

just give it always have it have as much

access as possible." So if it just needs

to delete root, it can just delete root

or read anything from anywhere. Like we

should just let it have that. Like that

is going to be the final state of this

all. Even though I don't think this I

mean I I don't believe that's real at

all. Uh I think someone can even build

it right now. I don't even know if it's

possible to build.

>> It will be.

>> Are people like self-hosting the the

model?

>> No.

>> Yeah.

>> Not usually.

>> Minis, right? I thought everyone's

buying Max.

>> You guys You guys are so All right,

let's break out the whiteboard.

>> Yeah. Can Yeah, someone someone in chat

is also confused about the Mac minis.

Where do they fall into this?

>> So, okay. So, you buy one of these.

Okay. You buy one of these.

>> Oh, you got one. Okay. Club local host

later. So, he has to have his cloud bot

ready.

>> This is my This is the key card that I

use to get into Club Local Host. Okay.

You can't just show up and say, "Oh, I'm

running it in the cloud." No, no, no.

You have to have one of these.

>> What do you buy this for? It's so that

it can do iMessage. That's the only

reason people are buying this. They are

paying on their their clawed pro max

$200 a month to then run this

separately. Okay. They're not going to

This is just a box.

>> Yes.

>> Why aren't they using WhatsApp?

>> What models do you think they have that

they can run locally fast enough to go

do everything in their life and go do

modal things and everything?

>> Very fair.

>> $600.

>> There's no [ __ ] way. one one

trillion% one trillion%.

They are not hosting their models

locally on this.

>> So, let me get this straight. People are

buying thousands of dollars worth of

computer to get access to iMessage.

>> Yes. And the other thing, the other

thing, the other reason you use this,

all the websites check to see if it's

coming from a stupid Safari browser on

Mac and say, "Oh, it's probably not a

bot." cuz no one's stupid enough to buy

hardware to run their bot farms on a

Mac. So you get captured less and other

things less. That's the other reason

that people are doing that.

>> God.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm I'm one I'm one trillion% serious.

They are not running local models. You

cannot run a serious model on just one

of these.

>> Yeah, but you could probably want to run

a 1.5bit quantized Kimmy K on there.

>> Quick question, Prime. You It's already

stupid to hook up your whole life to an

AI model. You want to give it to a one

that's an imbecile. Is that Is that your

contention?

>> Okay, fair point. Fair point.

>> Okay. Oh, I want to put it on the

slowest dumbest version of the personal

assistant possible that

come on.

>> Wait, so what model are are people using

different models with with Claude?

>> Open AI bought basically bought they

hired the guy. You can use any model you

want. You just put in a different key

and it will just say, "Oh, I want 5.3

Codeex to run it or I want 4.6 6 Opus or

I want whatever, but they're definitely

not local hosting the model.

>> Okay. I thought because there are some

people that have like the series of Mac

minis all hooked together. I think those

ones are because they have 64 uh gigs of

unified memory on them.

>> Yeah, but that's not the same person who

buys this, turns openclaw on, hooks it

up to the internet and says, "Please,

anyone access my whole entire life?"

>> That's insane. Oh my god, the privacy is

dead. There's there's not only they are

shipping their entire life up to the

model to the cloud provider saying every

every single thing every email that you

have every single question you have

everything not even just like oh what I

happen to type in Chetch they're like

have my whole life put it in there yes

it is one trillion% people are not

running these locally

>> the FBI is like finally

>> yeah yeah right NSA has never been

happier ever they're like oh there's

that many people with open okay cool

>> yeah with completely completely open

open clause. They just go troll around

on the internet. They can find them.

Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> So, that is that is kind of like the

part one of the insanity that's

happening in the Silicon Valley. I

figured it's a good time to kind of move

on to part two.

>> Yeah.

>> Which part two uh this one's going to

have many points, but I think the one

that we just need to really just focus

in on is this right here.

>> This is my favorite one.

>> For those that have not seen this,

>> seen this. This you first off you'll

notice that if you look right next to

the guy in the center in the white I

forgot his uh name. He's the prime

minister of India, right?

>> Yes, that's correct.

>> Can you enhance this for?

>> No.

>> Uh no, there's this is

>> this is not going to get enhanced. This

is I'm playing this off of Windows Media

Player.

>> We see that, but I'm wondering why don't

you just press full screen.

>> I was going to say some press full

screen it freezes Riverside.

>> Okay. Well, don't do that. Don't do

that. You may have forgot how crazy uh

all

>> I'm 90% done with vibe coding a

riverside replacement. So

>> that by the way TJ that's every single

app ever created is Dude. Bro, I'm 90%

done.

>> Yeah. Well, check me out next week.

Don't need it anymore.

>> Check me check me out next week. We'll

be on We'll be on ours.

>> All right, let's do it.

>> I think Claw bot can make this less J.

>> Open Claw. Sorry. One sec. One sec. One

sec. be a Riverside clone right now.

>> All right, here we go. So, let's play

this. So, first uh Bash from our

perspective

uh the the guy on the right to the prime

minister of India is Sam Alman. The

person to his right or to our right is

uh is a CEO of anthropic Dario.

>> This is at a big AI summit in India.

>> Yes.

>> So, you can see behind it it's impact

summit. So this is like the biggest

thing. And so for whatever reason,

>> the prime minister has decided that

everybody needs to hold hands

>> at the end to show that they're

>> Look at that. And look at Sam. Look at

Sam put his hand away. Pull it away.

>> And then look at them. There's only two

people in there that are that are not

holding hands with the person next to

them. And it's Sam and Daario. Their

hands are spread apart right at the top.

Right there. Th

>> This is what I'm wondering. If you go

back like a couple frames, he looks

behind Daario to like the guy next to

him. Like, did he want to hold the other

guy's hand instead? Cuz he knew that

Dario's standing next to him, but he

still looks

>> Look at Sam. Like Sam is watch. He's

looking for someone else. See that?

Like, who's he? Look, he's looking

behind him. I think

>> Look at his looking over there.

>> That's my expression when I

>> He's like, "Yo, someone else trying to

hold hands. Like, where is he looking?"

>> That's actually such a good point. Did

he think he was going to just go around

Adaio and Dario just by himself? He's

looking. I honestly think that was going

through his head. He's like, I got to

hold someone's hand and it ain't his. So

maybe it's the other dude

>> because look at this. He starts with his

hand down. He look at him. He's looking.

He is contemplating Daario.

>> I wish this was pulled back just a

little bit further and we could see

Daario's expression at the same time. Is

Daario recoiling even more?

>> You know, is Daario is Sam like, "Oh,

maybe we will, maybe we won't." AND THEN

DAARIO'S LIKE, "OH MY GOODNESS, I WISH I

COULD."

>> Maybe Sam was like looking like Look at

that. Maybe he was getting ready to

>> They're both looking down at the hands.

Look at her. They're both looking down.

>> They're both They're both

They both see They both see that they're

the ones not holding hands, though.

That's for sure. That's for sure.

>> This makes me cringe so hard. Oh my god.

>> Oh, it makes I love it. Maybe. Okay,

hold on. So, now I'm actually I'm going

to actually have to say that Sam is

vindicated

>> and that it was Daario cuz here's why.

Cuz look at them. They were both looking

at the hands, right?

And then Sam looks like he's like,

"Okay." And he like leans it up and he

goes and he looks for like help like hey

like who am I am I supposed to hold your

hand?

>> Yeah.

>> Like maybe that's what's going on there.

He's just like uh they turn

>> look at the prime minister. He's like

Jesus.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I know.

>> I like

>> it's like it's like your dad watching

like your brothers fight or something.

He's like, "Oh my god, can't believe."

>> Do you think the prime minister was a

theater kid? Cuz this is kind of giving

theater kid energy. It is big time

theater kid energy. Great

>> in the show. You all hold hands and you

raise your hands up and you bow together

>> and then they got to say up to the crew

down to the pit. Thanks everyone for

coming. Exactly.

>> Yeah. Same energy. I like I don't know I

don't know if India has the same play uh

cultural mechanics that we do. So this

may just simply be

>> they're pretty timeless.

>> We are all No, I don't know if it's

timeless. We're all going to uh we're

all trying to shape the future together.

Everyone hold hands in unison is how I

read that. Not as a theater kid ends a

show.

>> I like Bash's interpretation better.

>> Okay,

>> fair.

>> And then they're the two kids that were

in the in the crew that were mad at each

other because they both didn't get head

crew member because they don't play nice

with others and they're like, I deserve

that spot. I should have been manning

the spotlights.

>> Wait, what was the song with Michael

Jackson where they all hold hands? Heal

the world or something.

>> Beat it or we are the world. No,

>> it's not beat. I know what it is. It's

It's I know. It's a black or white. It's

black or white.

>> No, it's like a song where everyone has

a part in it and they all sing like

their own section.

>> Ebony and Ivory.

>> Heal the world. Isn't it Isn't like

something in the world? Heal the world.

Someone in chat knows.

>> It's like we are

>> Hey, we're not allow We're not allowed

to uh like Michael Jackson.

>> Oh, we are the world. I was right.

Someone the world. This is like the

modern day we are the world but for AI.

>> And then they didn't hold hands

>> and then no one

>> Oh, you don't want to you don't want to

like solve

Can you play it out in real time, too,

to get a feel for how long they're

standing there at the end? Because it's

a long time where they're both just

going like this.

>> Yes. Hold on. Let me let me get Let me

get it back. Let me get it back on there

because that at the end.

>> Yeah. They start touching forearms. So

weird.

>> They are. That's

>> They're literally just rubbing forearms

together, dude.

>> So, there we go. We're multiple seconds

in at this point.

Oh, but I do like this right here. Hold

on. I'm going to slow it down. Daario

still has not done it. Sam's cheering by

himself, but Daario still has his hand

down.

>> There you go.

>> Oh, and they just hit shoulders and then

they stand here at least for another

five seconds for photos and then my

video cuts off, but they continue to

stand there for photos.

>> Yeah, I love that.

>> Okay, I will say Dario is has his hand

aggressively down.

>> That's See, that's kind of what I was

saying. I it kind of looked like

>> number one they're probably surprised

cuz I'm sure their PR teams would have

told them you guys have to hold hands or

not stand next to each other like if you

can't play nice don't play at all

situation here but so they're surprised.

It looks to me like Sam is trying to

figure out how to hold Daario's hand and

Daario's like I'll sue you. I will say

that you were trying to distill our

models. Okay. You were trying to osmosis

steal my energy you demon.

It is. Yeah, Dario was working for

OpenAI at one point. He left over safety

concerns and now he runs Anthropic,

>> which is kind of surprising.

>> They just get rid of their safety stuff.

Didn't they just like water down their

safety box?

>> Yes. Which is very, very funny because

Open AI watered down their safety stuff

not too long ago and now Anthropic just

got done watering down theirs.

>> All right. You know what? I'm team

Daario.

>> What?

your team Dario.

>> Wait, how did that how did that work

with Dario?

>> Oh,

>> like nobody likes Sam. Everybody hates

Daario. There's a big

>> Oh, well.

>> Oh, sorry guys. I'm I'm I'm under a

rock. Okay. This is the first time I've

ever heard of Daario. I don't know who

he is.

>> I'm team I'm team open Code. There we

go. That's what I got.

>> They're actually, believe it or not, not

competitors.

>> I'm just saying I'm just talking about

AI people with AI monies right now.

Okay.

>> Okay. Got it.

>> I'm going to come over a model. I'm

calling it prediction.

>> DJ, are you going to explain to Bash the

things because you looked like you were

getting ready to explain.

>> Oh, sure. Well, sort of. I mean, we've

talked about this a few times, so sorry

uh chat and or audience if you're bored

of us saying this, but in general, I

always get the vibes from Anthropic that

they really want to be my dad. Like, I

already have a dad who actually loves me

and wants the best for me. I don't need

Daario thinking that he knows what's

best for me. So, I I'm not a fan of them

because it always feels like as soon as

they get one step ahead, they'll pull

the ladder up as fast as they possibly

can, lock everyone else out, and make

sure that they're the only people

allowed to make AI cuz they know best.

>> Oh, true. They did that.

>> And I don't that's I'm not in if we're

going to have AI, I would rather have

like competing models or like open

models or some other stuff where they're

trying to serve me the best that they

can to get all my money as opposed to

thinking that they're my dad. I don't

like that very much.

>> Yeah,

>> that's fair.

>> Yeah. And every interview I see with

Daario, he just gives me that feel of

like, well, I know better than Well,

it's more like, well, I know better than

everyone.

>> I feel like I've kind of concluded I

don't want to be in a room with any of

the any of these AI CE.

>> That's probably the best take. Yeah,

that's smart. That's smart.

>> So, I don't I don't watch any of their

interviews or follow any of their stuff

on Twitter. I like I I like mute it, you

know? I'm like I don't

>> Good. I I got the monkey on my timeline.

I'm I'm living peacefully.

>> Yeah, me too. Punch the monkey, baby.

Let's go.

>> Poor poor little guy,

>> dude. He got He was getting hugged now.

Now he has best friends. Uh, by the way,

someone just said anthropic bros are

what? Kickier

would have

kavicular kavicular kavicular.

>> You're so close.

>> You're still believe it or not.

>> Tropic bro is what looks maxing bro

would have been if he would have went to

Harvard. Very very funny.

>> Josh, put me in a put me in a Sigma Chad

face and do an edit quick.

>> All right. Uh, also, by the way, did you

know I don't know if you guys know this,

but this also feels like a Silicon

Valley episode. Does anyone remember the

uh Son of Antoine from from Silicon

Valley? I did not get the video, so I'm

very sorry because I thought I'd get

DMCA, so I just have to describe it as

opposed to to playing it on the show.

But

>> uh

son of Antoine

>> is the AI machine that Gilfoil creates.

>> And Gilfoil in one of the later episodes

tells it to clean up the code base and

ensure that there's no bugs. So it

deletes all the code

>> from the from the repo because that of

course would be the safest way to have

no bugs is no code at all. And then

right afterwards it orders 4,000 lbs of

hamburger because it wanted to find a

cheap way to have lunch for everybody.

That's so good.

>> Ahead of its time.

>> It's ahead of its time. Like this is

where Crazy watching Open Claw happen,

>> but it was actually Son of Antoine this

whole time.

>> Unbelievable prediction, honestly.

>> Best character.

>> It is actually a kind of goated move. I

would do that.

>> Yeah,

>> sounds like the move.

>> Yeah, delete the code base.

>> Delete the code base.

>> Stoked on the hamburgers, man. 4,000 lbs

of meat. Let's go.

>> It's a good day. community.

>> Hey guys, if you like this episode, you

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