I would like to say you have dropped the

fbomb three times on

>> I know. I know. I know. I know. You can

do it anytime.

>> I'm zero.

>> Hi everyone. This is Pivot from New York

Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast

Network. I'm Cara Swisser. Scott is off

still. I don't know where Scott is. He's

just off rambling around. Actually, I'm

going to see him tonight at the premiere

of my uh new series for CNN. Uh, but I

brought on another incredible co-host.

He's been ambassador to Japan and the

mayor of Chicago. It seems like he's

running for president. It's Rahm

Emanuel. Hey, Rah. How you doing?

>> I'm good. How are you?

>> Good. Good. You have been everywhere.

What What's happening?

>> Try to tell us what's happening besides

lecturing the Democratic party, which

we'll get to in a minute. But what what

what are you doing?

>> Well, um, first of all, I'm listening to

American people. been out and uh talking

to them about things like how to make

sure they get ahead, their families get

ahead on the community college plan. Uh

but also, you know, like a young man I

met in Spartanberg who's going to

community college, he's got a job

waiting at GE for 33 an hour with

benefits and he was unemployed. And what

they're doing at that community college

is exactly what I want to see us do

everywhere. Something similar we did in

Chicago, something similar lacrosse. but

also, you know, listening to the nurse

in Iowa who's talking about that she now

spends close to 50% of her time arguing

with the insurance companies. So, and

about how to make sure that people get

the healthcare that they're actually her

and the doctor are prescribing.

>> You've been a public figure, but often

in the in the in the national way,

you've been a sort of behind this and

you've been a congress person, but how

do you how is it different what you're

doing here in terms of running for

president or trying or thinking about

running for president?

>> Yeah, I mean that's fair. Look, I mean,

I've been a congressman. I've been a

mayor of both.

>> Not insignificant.

>> Front facing. Yeah. Front facing.

>> Yeah. Also chairman of a leadership in

Congress. But that said, I mean, you're

evaluating uh and one of the things I

know about running for office uh is you

got to make sure your head, your heart,

and your gut are all align.

>> Uh I I'm going to just say it up front.

I don't need a title.

I got more titles. I can auction them

off. I'm also I'm about getting stuff

done. Like take something I'm very proud

about. You know this because from our

many conversations, we raised our

graduation rate from 56 to 83%. 98% of

our kids had a pan post high school

college community college branch of the

armed forcification school. I'm not I'm

about getting stuff done, not about

getting another title. and do I think I

actually understand what it takes to

move this country and move help the

American people get ahead and their kids

get ahead and do I have the fortitude to

do that and so that's what what I'm

looking at I'm not I don't need as I

said titles is for other people getting

crap done is what we did in Chicago

20,000 kids went to community college

for free every child had a plan post

high school on education we started prek

and kindergarten so I'm into moving

stuff and as I We like to say in

Chicago, taking the garbage out, getting

stuff done. And

>> so what

>> do I think I do? I So you evaluate that,

>> right?

>> But you know, this also takes I jokingly

said when I was recruiting candidates

for Congress,

>> takes a a little level of a little kind

of irrational act because you're jumping

over without uh any nothing below and

nothing above. Mhm. So if you're like

Ram Rahm Emanuel evaluating you as a

competitor, what would be your biggest

asset and your biggest negative from

your perspective? If you were like, I'm

going to get this. Let's go ahead. This

I'm getting on the couch and we get to

make sure Blue Cross covers that at one

level

on the positive side and here's how I

stand it is

>> putting out ideas from like we did on

elementary uh school and learning and

reading and addressing the 50% of our

kids can't read. went to Mississippi

how to reform our high schools so

they're less about diploma more about

college career planning and community

college educational ed to social media

ban basically a wealth of ideas I am

tired of having a debate about how to

restore a past and about how to build a

future and that is what I'm so on that

point get an A uh on the kind of

strength and energy that is determined

not only for the job

>> Mhm. uh bringing there uh an agame as

well. And I also think more importantly

>> telling people the truth.

>> I'm not going to tell you what you want

to hear. I'm going to tell you what I

think you need to know and we're in this

together rather than trying to fight

each other all the time. And that's a

rare moment for a middle child to say

that. Uh on the other side is you have a

campaign which is slightly about it's

not slightly there's a big debate about

generational change and I've been

around. Now, the good news of that is uh

I I think I know the family room. I know

what I could call uh the classroom, the

break room, the boardroom, the situation

room, and I want the Democratic party to

get out of the bathroom. I'm tired of

being there. That said, you're all your

strengths are your weaknesses. So, the

long resume, I can hit the job one. The

problem with the uh resume is in a

period of change, you're you kind of

don't represent that from one level. The

other part of change though is for a

party known for its weakness.

>> I don't bring that. I bring a different

level of strength.

>> Sure. Right.

>> So that's how I evaluate it.

>> Is it I'm just curious. Is it Do you

ever worry about like you and I are both

I would say difficult people in a good

way necessarily and I'm I'm saying that

about myself too. And

>> we're let's just let's do it smoother.

We're we're acquired taste,

>> right? That's what I mean. We're

acquired taste. Do you I mean cuz you

know there's there's a there's a a

likability kind of thing and I I like

you but do you think about that or has

that changed in in in

>> No, you know uh no because uh first of

all I know how I am out with I'm out

about people where I was in Lacrosse

Wisconsin in Grand Rapids Michigan in

Franklin New Hampshire or in the uh what

is referred to in South Carolina as a

corridor of shame and Abbyville etc. all

the black counties that were ignored by

uh Colombia, South Carolina. So, I know

that on the other hand, I am I am I

mean, again, this gets back to this is

true for you, it's true for me, it's

true for everyone, which is your

strengths, your weakness. I'm direct.

I'm forthright. Nobody walks away from

me and go, "Boy, was he subtle? We

didn't really know what he said." Uh,

now that one level

>> that works. At another level,

>> it doesn't. And that, but here's the

thing. I'm at a point in my life

This would be the last race. I'm going

to tell you what I think has to happen.

As I said, in 2024, you didn't have a

choice. 2028, it's going to be Baskin

and Robbins. And I plan on being Rocky

Road.

>> Right. Rocky Road.

>> I'm I'm going to say this is in this

moment of where I'm with my therapist,

Miss Dr. Swiss or

>> Yeah, right. That's me.

>> I am liberated at a different place than

I've been as President Obama's chief of

staff or as mayor or ambassador or

whatever.

>> I'm going to This is it. Final race. I'm

going leave it on the field in the sense

of we as a country

literally have hunger games. I'm This is

about the future. We've had two

presidents who've argued about restoring

a past that's not coming back and either

we're going to build that future or

we're going to talk about America in

past tense and I don't want to do that

and I'm not going to selines commenting

about it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You've run out of but

you never had Fox Rom. So that's that's

kind of an interesting situation. This

is really interesting. I really am

fascinated. You know, a lot of people

ask me, I'm like, I don't know. Maybe

it's appealing to people, right? You

don't have to be slick. You don't have

to be likable, you know, and obviously

Trump has turned from he had a charisma

to something else. That's really good.

>> But I don't, you know, the one thing I

know about presidential politics,

President Obama was an answer to George

Bush. George Bush was an answer to Bill

Clinton. Bill Clinton was an answer to

the Reagan Bush years.

Not where is Donald Trump. You're

interested in clicks.

I'm not that. I'm interested in kids

knowing calculus. You're interested in

social media posts. Great. I'm

interested in making sure we know our

social studies. So, that's not it. And I

think where the puck will be in 2028

isn't about how do you how do you

imitate Donald Trump? It's actually how

do you act like an adult? And I think if

we're all honest with ourselves, I do

look, President Biden, uh, Build Back

Better,

>> Donald Trump's MAGA is about restoring

something that is not coming back. The

sooner we get to figuring out a future

and then how to work together to get

that done will actually matter. And the

reason all the things I happen to think

education is a ticket to the middle

class and to families making it and your

kids making it.

>> The reason I've been so focused on it is

you're not getting there with 50% of our

kids not able to read at grade level.

You're not getting there when we don't

have a plan how to make sure that we

have the electricians, the carpenters,

the sailors, the nurses,

>> or the chemical engineers. not just

people who know how to do fast trading

on the stock market, but the engineers

that know how to actually build

something for the future. Uh that to me

is more important. And if it's not

rejected, my ego is not hurt. I'll have

done what I think I think is important

to shape the debate and get us focused

on the future in a way that I think the

last 20 years focused on the past.

>> It certainly can't be anti-Donald Trump

or it can be a little bit as you said. I

remember you said let's make the to 2026

anti-Donald Trump and then we leave him

behind in the dust bin like if they win

2026 is we just coming in the shadows of

Wisconsin. It is a referendum on Donald

Trump and a rubber stamp Republicans.

2028 is a choice election and unless we

have a compelling story to tell about

the future and what we're going to do,

we won't win that. We have to have a

compelling story and that is my focus

not only for the campaign but more

importantly for the country and that

also I can tell you from being all over

the country we have to make common cause

with the largest party in America which

is independent non-aligned

stop talking to ourselves and start

talking to the people that will

determine because in the last three

presidential elections seven states

700,000 voters have determined who's

president of the United States and if we

don't find common pause with quote

unquote independent voters, right?

>> We will continue to be a minority party.

>> That was exactly what my political just

told me in an interview I did with him

last week. Same thing. Um, so let's get

to the news then. Let's talk about

what's happening right now and we'll

talk a little bit more about the future

after that. But as of this recording,

the Iran, this is an important thing for

the future. The Iran war ceasefire is

looking a little shaky. There's

confusion around the status of the

Strait of Hormuz and the disagreement

over whether the truce includes Lebanon.

Uh the truce includes Lebanon. Trump

announced a two-we ceasefire on Tuesday

night. Two weeks is always his magic

number. He backed down from his threat

of a whole the whole civilization would

die if the deal wasn't released. Um

reached. Jimmy Kimmel called it the taco

Tuesday of all. Taco Tuesday. Um and

then of course, you know, it's um you

know, walk back Wednesday essentially.

Uh Megan Kelly, I'm going to play her. I

don't usually do it because she gives me

a headache. Wasn't too happy either. Um

but listen to this. Listen to this.

Let's play it.

>> I don't know about you, but I am sick of

this I'm just I'm I'm sick of it.

Can't he just behave like a normal

human? I mean, honestly, like the

president, 3D chess, just shut up.

shut up about that You

don't threaten to wipe out an entire

civilization. We're talking about

civilians just casually in a social

media post.

I don't often agree with Megan, but

there you go. I think she's sort of

articulating what's happening on the

right.

>> Donald Trump's bringing people together

rather than dividing them. You like

Megan Kelly. Think of the upside of this

a new a new level of humanity in you

that's been found towards people you

disagree.

>> It's not humanity. It's like are you I

agree with her. And I I find

common cause with Marjorie Taylor Green,

right? Until I start talking about some

other topics. But Pope Leo is also

weighing in calling the threat against

Iranian people truly unacceptable. He's

in a his for some reason Trump's gotten

in a beef with the pope which is

terrible. In terms of what happens next,

Vice President JD Mance is traveling to

Pakistan to for peace talks this weekend

along with Steve Witco and Jared

Kushner. Uh Dumb and Dummer Trump says

that all US military personnel and

assets will stay near Iran until real

agreement is reached. Talk a little bit

about this. You've been in these rooms.

Like what is It seems like he's not

playing chess. he's eating the pieces

like or or something or maybe he's not

getting good advice or else he's

cognitively has

>> I don't want I don't want to just say

about the room but

>> it's clear there isn't a situation room

they've moved it into the oval office

and whoever walks in there's a couple

doors there's four doors there's there's

one outside there's one to the uh you

know where the assistant lit sit there's

one to the goes to the roseell room and

there's one that also goes to the uh

first president's library and they've

moved

all in there. There's not a serious

analysis. Uh think about this. You have

Vice President B is going there. You

have Wickoff and uh and Jared Kushner

with no diplomatic uh support. Go back

to when they're meeting uh in Geneva.

There was no experts around the nuclear

capacity or everything. Wikoff and

Kushner were winging it and it clearly

showed because the UK intel officer who

was there

>> said Iran was actually offering us

something very serious in the sense of

concessions to avoid the military

confrontation and neither Kushner or W

>> understood it. Now

>> I said this jokingly but I'm very

serious. if they ever do a sequel to

Dumb and Dumber, there's going to be a

lot of competition for who gets to play

the lead in this administration.

>> Right

>> now, the other piece is, and you led on

this, and we're talking about what Megan

Kelly uh said. Um, look, there's a lot

of different roles to the president.

There is the moral voice of the

presidency when the challenger goes

down, you know, bringing the country or

9/11 like President Bush. There is the

commanderin-chief

which is the most solemn position of the

president of the United States.

The president the commanderin-chief

Roosevelt understood it when he said

America would be the arsenal of

democracy.

Lincoln understood at the beginning of

the war. He understood it midway when he

did the Emancipation Proclamation

changing the definition of the war. We

have a president of the United States

who has asked 50 plus thousand

servicemen and women, not counting all

the other pieces that are supporting

those 50,000 on the front line to

achieve a mission of national security

importance for the United States. And

he's talking about obliterating a

civilization. You owe the troops a

definition of why. You owe the

servicemen and the country. You owe the

servicemen here's what victory will look

like. So, we've accomplished our goals

and here's how it's going to end and

this is how we know we have succeeded in

one and two. None of that by the

commander-in-chief has been

accomplished.

>> Right. They declare they have been

declaring victory over and over in

Carol.

>> But but but but this is what I say. But

here, step back underneath what you just

said. You know, and everybody else in

the world knows except for people of

1600 Pennsylvania. Nobody believes our

president. Now, this has been overused

as an anecdote. When Stevenson goes to

see De Gaul during the Cuban missile

crisis, he's about to take photos out.

>> De Gaul says,

>> "I have the word of the president of the

United States. I don't need those

photos." Nobody would do that here.

Everybody is looking at our our Keystone

cops at 1600 Pennsylvania. They know a

president of the United States who

literally truth is the most flexible

thing he's ever seen. He doesn't believe

in truth. He believes in spin. And so

this is the degradation of the word, the

credibility and the and the mantle of

the president of the president of the

United States and more importantly the

United States of America because this is

a baton that gets handed off. So at

every level, not only did they start not

knowing that they actually had

accomplished something, they were too

foolish and stupid and arrogant to know

that. B, they go into a war without

clear objectives

and then they literally talk about a

victory here. Now I have I thought about

the you know there's two points I would

make right now

>> because they went into a war to

obliterate degradate whatever word you

want to use the nuclear capacity of

Iran.

>> They already had even we obliterated

then we obliterated it again and then

now we're going to obliterate it. He was

even making fun of the of

>> Iran discovered they have a nuclear

operation called the straight of

hermoose. So, first and foremost,

declare a policy either all ships get

out or no ships get out. That would cut

off Iran's economic lifeline to China

and would put pressure on both of them.

two m medium-term

the United Nations international

maritime uh group would run the straight

of Hermuz in the sense of a fee that

would be split between Iran, Bahrain,

UAE,

Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, all the countries

affected. So they don't collect it. The

United Nations and international

association does. And it's split because

the war affected both parties, not one

party. Third and doesn't allow Iran to

control the straight arm which is an

international body of water body

long-term

take the Abraham Accords for the United

States as a party to and do three things

and use it which doubles down on America

as a permanent power in the in that part

of the world which is the Iran's goal

which is to get us out to build

pipelines for Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, UAE

and other countries in that region out

to the straight of Hermuz to the Red Sea

or to Oman uh Gulf, the Gulf of Oman

that would have a short-term,

medium-term, long-term plan and would

also reinforce that the Abraham Accords

the United States has is the vehicle for

our Gulf allies and countries that don't

become now subjugated to Iran's

blackmail and corrosion uh coercion. To

me, that is the most important. Now, I

don't think, in fact, I can tell you

this since I haven't seen a single idea

where except for the president says,

"Well, Iran's 10 points are pretty

good." I can't believe a president of

the United States, a commander-in-chief,

a leader of the free world, a person

with a military uh instruments that he

has, just said the other party,

their term sheet is the term sheet we're

going to work off of. Everybody in the

quote unquote art of the deal, you don't

use the other side's term sheet. So at

every level I find this uh incredibly

dangerous, reckless. What is it?

>> What's occurring here? Because his own

people are like he doesn't know. Like

what was really interesting about the

the New York Times piece is like they're

all running for the hills cuz they're

all telling them wasn't me. Wasn't me.

It was him.

>> They're pointing fingers at him

directly, not or at BB Netanyahu, but

they're certainly trying to say, "I

thought it was Farc." That's obviously

from the head of the CIA. I thought it

was wrong. Susie Wilds, etc., etc.

>> Yeah. No, they're going to let they're

going to let one guy wear the the guy

with the duncap gets to keep the duncap

at the end of this process. Here's what

I would say to you is there are four

tools in your national security uh

toolbox. Military power, economic

statecraft, political persuasion, and

cultural attraction. And you will

assemble them

differently in different parts of the

world, in different areas, etc.

somewhere in the second term. The now

the president degraded the first three,

but in the second term as opposed to the

first term, he's decided military power

is the most not only the most important

tool, the tool he's most comfortable,

which was not true in the first term. He

is degraded through tariffs. He's

degraded through belittling our NATO

allies and not consulting them and the

brand of America from a cultural

standpoint. So all three of the four

tools have been totally drained of any

capacity and a person who was risk

averse in the first term is now reduced

America's national security to a single

tool and made it the toolbox and what is

dangerous about that is obviously the

servicemen and women uh are becoming

literally a play toy for the

commander-in-chief with no respect for

the what he's asking of them who have

volunteered ed to serve the national

interest of this country and more

importantly the other tools are

atrophying at this very time and we

economically politically culturally as

you can see the way he's banging out of

NATO are more isolated than leading you

can't be a leader if nobody is following

that was the casualty here our NATO

allies and our Gulf allies and our Asian

allies are not following the United

They're distancing themselves

in that case. What is what happens next?

Cuz his own people are distancing

themselves. Also, speaking of leaders,

>> watch what he does. He's going to blame

somebody.

>> He's now going to the next thing is who

he tries to blame. And that's kind of a

palace coup type, palace, you know,

intrigue game.

>> I'm into not that. And I understand the

lore of that. My thing is what do we do

to take a generational approach to

restore the trust, credibility, and the

capacity of this country?

>> Well, how can we with him in the seat?

He's in the seat. Whether I mean some of

the seat

>> and this is my argument both to

Democrats but also Republicans as a

country.

>> Mhm.

>> We're Americans. There's no reset button

at the Resolute Desk. I try to lay out a

different scenario by different parts of

the world. How do you assemble these

different tools into different kind of

stacking orders of priority? There's no

reset. So the when Carne when Prime

Minister Carney in Canada says this is a

rupture, you're not getting superlue and

reassembling. We have to earn not only

the trust, we have to build our

strengths that have been atrophying.

Where is the political uh power? Where's

the cultural persuasion? How do we

recreate the economic state craft where

again the American economy is central to

the world not sidelined and I do think

the last 25 years when you look at this

war if you look at covid you look at uh

different things that have happened in

the last 25 years this will be the era

of supply chain uh and will be known as

the era of supply chain you took oil

take uh ammonia take the petrochemicals

of the region you take what happened

during covid medical gear

etc. and the pharmaceutical products to

deal with the vaccines. This is the era

of supply chains, little things that

hold the entire whether it's the

straight of Hermoose or whether it's the

products coming out of the straight of

Hermoose or whether it's medical

supplies and vaccines, little things

take the entire global economy to a

whole drone. A drone a $50,000 I said

this the other day and I'll just repeat

this. You have two countries Mhm. with

no navy, but they control both

waterways, Ukraine and Iran,

>> without a navy. We have a theory in

America's national security being able

to fight two wars simultaneously.

>> We're going to have to rewrite it to be

able to fight two different wars

simultaneously. One conventional and one

unconventional.

>> That's it. He's still president for a

long time. Even, you know, you've got

maybe to the midterms where he loses a

lot of power

>> or three more years. What happened? What

from your if you had to guess what

happens next because they're not these

people look like they're not going to

keep. You have Megan Kelly saying

you. You have people in the cabinet

clearly leaking saying not us.

Something's got to give. Or does it?

>> Well,

>> I mean someone did stop Nixon, right?

Someone walked up to Pennsylvania.

I mean

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I mean, I don't want to look. I

didn't listen to the podcast with

Senator Tillis.

>> Mhm.

>> But, you know, I I this is a criticism.

You were the you were the key vote for

headsets becoming Secretary of Defense.

I'm sorry. Like, you know, okay, fact is

you have a person with a drinking

problem and other types of problems who

now the head of a military who's

involved right now

>> in a military political purge of the

military. The greatest turnaround in

American history was the armed forces

post Vietnam. I've worked with the the

head of the seventh fleet, head of

Indopaccom. These are incredible men and

women. Amy and I I just want to side

note. We do a ROC scholarship named

after Lisa Franchetti, the former CNO of

the Navy. She's an incredible capacity.

Fired out of political retribution. This

is stuff you read in China,

>> right? and Senator Tillis who obviously

has found his conscience and that's good

>> but you confirmed this person that you

knew in your gut

>> was not right and I want to say one

thing when I was chief of staff I was an

employee when I was senior adviser to

president I was an employee how many

times I've walked into the Oval Office

daily and said no and here's the

consequence of you you're a US senator

you're independently elected you're

independently elected congressman you

have your own voting card you have your

own pin for security what are you doing.

>> Mhm.

>> You imagine they'll do it or are they

just waiting for the end?

>> I think what's going to happen is the

United States Congress is going to flip.

The Senate's 50/50 and you're going to

finally have the third branch of

government that has been basically in

deep freeze for the last two years.

>> I said this once privately couple

months, right? That's

>> Yes. I said this privately to a

Republican senator.

>> I said, "You're going to want a

Democratic president."

>> He goes, "Oh, no, no." I said, "Yeah,

the reason is you put your manhood in a

lock box and you're finally going to

take it out in about three years from

now, right? That's what's going to

happen. You I can't believe these

individuals who know better and say it

privately under cloaked force of course

and what will happen is elections have,

as to quote my good friend and my former

boss, President Obama,

>> elections have consequences. Yes, we got

X months till November.

>> Republicans doesn't hear the hear the

sound of the footbeat coming. You saw

that in Wisconsin. You're going to see

it in Indiana. Saw it in North Carolina

the other day. You saw it in Georgia.

>> And the fact is you're going to have the

third branch of government, co-equal

branch, finally exert its

responsibility.

>> You are you are it's just it's a matter

of time. We're going to move over this.

But I would agree with you. They're

suddenly appearing on my podcast. So,

you know what I mean? Like suddenly

they're like I do I wanted is so

frustrating. Take the take a look at the

center of Louisiana. Mhm.

>> You confirmed a guy, Health and Human

Services, Kennedy. You as a doctor, you

know, was wrong.

>> The president turns around, flips on

you, and and you try to do that to

encourage favor or, you know, bring

favor to yourself, and he's going to

mess with your reelection, and you knew

Kennedy was not right. Senator Tillis,

I'm glad he's speaking up. I'm I'm glad

he found his voice,

>> but when your vote was needed,

>> Mhm.

>> he decided, you decided to go somewhere.

out. Maybe you're making up for lost

time, but the rest of us, most

importantly,

>> the men and women in uniform

>> have to deal with a secretary of

defense.

>> And so now therefore, I mean, he

certainly did the I hate to use the term

killshot to gnome, but he did. He did.

And some people are like, it's too late.

I'm like, but he did it, so he has to

keep doing it is what you're saying. I

like that.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. He has to keep and not only have

to say that, you have to work with

others to finally uh get your vote and

your voice to kind of line. Your vote

was not where your voice is or your

conscience.

>> Yeah, reach down and grab it. Okay,

Rahm, let's go on a quick break. When we

come back, Democrats keep the momentum

going with another string of election

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Rom, we're back. Democrats notched their

biggest shift yet in the House special

election, dramatically narrowing the gap

in Georgia's 14th. Trump carried the

district by 37 points in 2024, but even

in the race, the margin shranked around

12 points, a major swing, even though

the Republicans took the win. Democrats

also expanded their majority on

Wisconsin's Supreme Court, very

significant, from 4 to 3 to 5 to two,

and that'll last for for a decade, I

think, for something like that or a very

long time. You recently wrote a piece in

the Wall Street Journal titled How

Democrats can use their coming majority.

You say investigations of Trump won't

satisfy voters and that energy be better

spent on a positive agenda. You and I

have talked about this. Talk about, you

know, your ideal plan. You just sort of

vaguely mention it up to the midterms

and assuming they have a strong showing

without any um nonsense from Trump or

any hijinks or whatever he's trying to

do, but it doesn't seem like it's going

to work. Um in recent days, over 70

lawmakers have said Trump's cabinet

needs to invoke the 25th Amendment. Um,

>> uh, that's he's supposed to be in a coma

apparently for that, but we'll we'll

see. Um, I don't I don't see them doing

that. They can hardly speak up in any

way. Talk about the distraction of it

because one of the things is if you

spend all your time investigating and

certain people, by the way, should be

investigated for corruption.

>> No, let me let me be really clear,

etc. Yeah.

>> As I said in that piece, I said there's

a difference between corruption and

dishonesty. I'm for absolute

investigation of all the corruption.

This is crony capitalism run a muck.

People trading on inside information.

They abnormalize corruption 100% for

that. I the c you cross the line when

it's all about retribution, vindication,

and not addressing what I think is not

only the affirmative agenda, but I do

believe the their corruption. I've said

it two years ago. That's the backdrop.

So, I'm 100% for what did Christine

Gnome do at DHS? I'm 100% for everything

the inspector generals have reported and

all the type of corruption both inside

outside members of family

>> or the Trump kids

100% for that.

>> Don't get caught in a game of politics

of retribution where then the people go

it's just more Washington.

>> Right.

>> Now, on the affirm I think on the

affirmative and this was part of that

piece. If you go back to the

presidentials of both President Clinton

and President Obama first terms '08 and

1992,

what George Mitchell does in 1990,

forcing President Bush to raise taxes

and break his pledge on read my lips,

and what we did in forcing Bush to veto

the children's health insurance

initiative in 2007 sets up 1992 Bill

Clinton and sets up President Obama

2008.

2027.

I look at the uh kind of landscape of

all the issues from minimum wage to

predictive markets to health care cost

control andor a rateayers bill of

rights. I lay out a number of piece

ideas in that piece. you now a part of

this politically is determining you have

the Senate or not is get a bill on the

desk that one creates divisions within

the Republican party and two

either force the president like Bush

does in 1990

signs a bill or vetos a bill like

President Bush does in 2007 on the

children's health insurance program that

creates divisions inside the Republican

party and advance

your agenda that you're ready to take

and secure the future. So, I do think

Democrat, let's just just fast forward.

Democrats win both the House and the

Senate. What they do in 2027 will be as

determinative as who we nominate in

2028. My view, this is mine,

is go to those predictive markets and

put a piece of legislation on the

president's desk that ban all members,

Congress, Senate, executive branch,

judicial branch, staff, family from

participating in the predictive markets

and that there's a division of the

criminal market. Right. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And the reason is and first of

all, all that can be done by executive

order.

>> Mhm. president will not do it because

his two sons are investors in it

>> and you drive right there because the

Republicans are there, independent

voters are there, the president of the

United States is not there. And I would

take that bill and run it right down

through one end of Pennsylvania Avenue

to the other and put it on his desk

because everybody and I can tell you

this from Lacrosse, Wisconsin to

Franklin, New Hampshire to Abbyville's

partner,

>> everybody in their gut

>> knows that these prediction markets are

being played and manipulated with inside

information. And yes, and people other

people are putting their lives at risk

while little Nepo babies in Palm Beach

are making money. Most importantly, Don

Jr. and the rest of the family and

Lutnik's kids and Wickoff's kids. Put it

on his desk. Make him pick his wealth or

the American people's democracy and

political and economic.

>> I already know the answer to that.

>> I mean, you ask me that's what I would

do because you were talking about things

that you wish would happen probably

won't pass. You should do like all like

$25 minimum wage, whatever it happens to

be. It doesn't have to win it. You just

have to make a stance is what you're

talking about right now.

>> In 1990, in 1990, President Bush signs

the bill. It actually does help reduce

the deficit, but it creates Pap Buchanan

and a Republican revolt. And 20

Republican senators support that, but

the other 25 do not. In 2007 when we do

the children's health insurance bill,

President Bush 43 vetos it, but 60

Republicans in the House and Senate

align themselves with Democrat. What

brings us together? What divides the

other side? And whether it's signing or

vetoing as I would say to quote that

great philosopher, when you get to a

fork in the road, take it.

>> And that's what you want to do to the

Republicans,

>> right? And you want to constantly be

saying what you're for. And that says

what you're for

>> and even if you fail,

>> says what you're for,

>> who you're going to fight for

>> and what the other side

>> is willing to do. And I think this

president

>> is running a crony capitalist system.

It's from everywhere. It's how much you

pay and how much he gets. And what you

want to do is drive your

car right to that division point inside

the Republican party. And the

Republicans

know they're not in on this prediction

market in a sense

the way the Trump kids are. And the

president and I would also taunt them.

>> Sign an executive order.

>> Yeah. Do something.

>> No, Mr. President, you signed all these

other executive orders. I mean, yes,

here's one that you can do,

>> right?

>> He won't do it. And so drive right

there.

>> What do you make of these shifts in in

the the Democrats have done rather well

all over the place, right? Even

including in Palm Beach. Speaking of

Palm Beach, no babies, they now have a

Democratic.

>> I actually think one thing that slightly

uh didn't get the coverage. I mean, I

went up to Wisconsin 6 weeks ago for the

Supreme Court for Rebecca Cook in the

third district, Southwest Corner. In

Wisconsin, battleground state. First of

all, the Supreme Court candidate does

better than any of the other two from a

year ago.

The Democrats in Wisconsin win the

important county outside of Milwaukee.

That's the Republican base that counters

the Milwaukee vote. We now have the

county executives. The Supreme Court

nominee in the third congressional

district, the southwest corner where

Lacrosse is, etc. that Ron K used to

represent and is a Republican there that

Trump won. The Supreme Court Democrat,

not Democratic, but the progressive

candidate takes 57%.

Donald Trump won that with overwhelming

amount. That tells you if you win that

seat, you're winning the majority. So

when you look at Wisconsin at the top

all the way down and all the races

between, it's a unbelievable

victory and it says the same thing.

>> It's the independence.

>> Massive energy in the Democratic vote

base and Republican turnout depressed.

>> Mhm.

>> The two the election in North Carolina

>> Mhm. when Donald Trump uh endorsed a

state senate majority leader, the most

powerful Republican, he loses the

Republican primary.

>> Mhm.

>> That was more important than Mara Lago.

I get the value of Mara Lago. It's kind

of I get it. But the fact is power over

the Republican primary voters,

>> right?

>> You want to call liberation day, that's

liberation day. So all you Republican

congressmen and senators, Senator

Tillis, that you were scared of your

shadow for the last four year year and

four years ago, you don't have to be

scared of your shadow,

>> right? What about Texas? Obviously,

that's

>> Well, now in the Senate in Texas, I

think that you have a Republican primary

that ends up it doesn't matter who who

wins in one level, they're going to both

be a weakened candidate for the general

election.

>> Mhm.

>> That's what I think. Can I you know and

I happen to one thing I would also say

to my fellow Democrats

>> when you look at the healthc care for

President Obama

>> or the IRA the clim the climate bill

under President Biden

under the healthc care bill. Senator

Nelson from Nebraska

helps us pass that. It's the 60th vote

and the senator from West Virginia

helps pass the IRA.

If you don't win in purple to red states

as a Democrat, we're not going to get

the type of economic and political legis

and social legislation we want. The two

most significant pieces of legislation

Democrats passed in the last 20 years,

they clinched the vote

>> with a Republican,

>> with a senator from a state that is not

quote unquote safe blue. So winning in

Ohio, winning in North Carolina, winning

in Texas, winning in Iowa,

>> winning in places Democrats have not

presidentially won

>> is how you secure the type of

legislation.

>> Interesting. And I just met Telerico. I

call him the baby Jesus.

Anyway, what one of the things, of

course, look, Democrats are not

slathering himself in perfection right

now. Um, as Trump waited into the

California governor's race this week by

endorsing former Fox News host Steve

Hilton, who I know very well, actually,

mostly as a husband of someone I know

very well, but I actually know Steve. My

favorite Steve thing is he was lecturing

me on populism and the elites when he

was staying at the Bair Hotel and I was

like I can't afford this place

my friend like and you're telling me

about like elites. Um anyway I he's a

funny guy actually. There might be um

good news for Democrats the the the

Trump um backing there. But Democrats

have been worrying about a doomsday

scenario with the state's jungle primary

and people don't know there it's there's

there's not primaries is who the top two

are. If the two GOP candidates, Hilton

and Sheriff uh Chad Biano, and ex

exactly what he sounds like, um first

and second in the primary, Democrats

would be locked out in the general

election. It's a concern. And there's

eight Democrats in the race with no

clear front runner. Um but by

consolidating G support behind Hilton,

Trump may have helped reduce the

chances. And I've noticed both Jane

Vaugh and Ro Con are backing the

billionaire, which is unusual, Tom

Styer. Um uh which is fine. like all the

left went crazy, but I'm like, well,

he's he's he's different. He's he's not

like there's he's not Mark Zuckerberg.

Let me just be clear.

>> But um that said, there's all kinds of,

you know, issues there um um with with

what's happening there. And you've got,

you know, a number of candidates that

each have a little chunk. It's not like

one has the biggest chunk. So, I'm

sitting there, I'm like, where's Nancy

Pelosi hitting heads or where's Nuome or

what's what is happening there? And you

I'm sure you've spoken to them. If

you're running the Democratic party

>> mean what's happening in the Democratic

>> party. What has to happen there in order

to like knock people out? They don't

seem to be leaving any of them. It looks

like

>> Yeah. I don't I Well, that you know,

California is not

>> Chicago,

>> right?

>> We would find something wrong with their

signatures and knock them out that way.

>> Yeah.

>> You're not getting on the ballot on this

one. You want another race? That's

evidence. You know, uh I don't you know

I have no idea what I think the

leadership of the party has stood back.

I part of me wonders whether Kla Harris

thinks again like maybe I made a

mistake. I should have gone for that

office etc. Given when you look at the

field I think this is a jump ball. You

got a uh I look at it from a distance

but about four candidates all kind of

hovering within two points from each

other. And so my guess is the leadership

of the party doesn't want to put their

thumb on the scale prefer looking like

they don't have the leadership that they

thought they did.

>> So what happens? It could be. Is that a

bad thing for the

>> you know I I uh I I do buy the

conventional wisdom

>> that the president's endorsement of uh

Mr.

is a kiss of death.

>> Mhm. And I think that will uh bear out

uh and I what happens

eventually there's a co coalescing

that trigger hasn't happened yet but I

instinctively believe it will happen

well how the papers endorse what

something will happen that will tri that

will be a conversion that will convert

the moment it will be a catalytic

conversion of the moment and then there

will be a coalesing around a singular or

two candidates that catapult to the

front of the class

>> possibly.

Do you remember the movie Face Off where

they're all pointing guns at each other?

That's what it feels like. Someone's got

to put the gun down, you know, and then

the the pigeons fly.

>> It's a little early for that, but you'll

get that.

>> You'll get that. You'll get Is there any

candidate you think

>> will emerge of all those? I'm not close

enough to uh to uh I'm not close enough

to that race to I mean in the back of my

head I'm it will be a Democrat

>> and you know there's 90% of them agree

on the same thing so it won't uh matter.

Now it could I could you know obviously

this is electoral politics so it could

be totally wrong. Mhm.

>> Uh but so far I believe that there will

be a coalescing at the very end at least

around one if not two candidates and the

rest will really

>> be seen as a wasted vote. Um the one

good news is uh the president's

endorsement is going to uh force the

Democrats to kind of shape up real

quickly.

>> Shape up real quickly. Yeah.

Interesting. It's a real it's a real

wrinkled Steve is like are you kidding

me? I mean, my thing my thing is

>> Mhm.

>> look, take Iowa and take Ohio

and then take Florida and Georgia. And

I'll tell you why on those is

>> Ohio. The Democratic nominee for

governor, which was in Governor DeWine's

public health official, she's ahead. In

Iowa, you have an open senate, also an

open governor. And the a state auditor

in Iowa is in a very strong position. uh

been elected twice already statewide for

the governor's race and we're going to

have a pretty competitive uh nominee I

think for the Senate and I think what's

happening because of what the president

did to the rural economy the corn

soybean wheat farmers

>> business and the gone out of business

the rural economy is really hurting this

war has really touched them fertilizers

etc

>> you're going to see something in the

Midwest in the prairie states that's

going to come and bite the Republicans

right where they need to be bitten and

kicked

Yeah.

>> Then you go down to Georgia and Florida.

In both cases in the Democratic primary

are former Republican- elected officials

who've decided the Republican party

under Donald Trump's not their home

anymore. The Democrats are. Whether they

get out of the primary or not, I'm not

sure. But there is a 10 to 12% of

Republicans and I've also seen this

going all over the country who don't

identify

with Donald Trump.

Not sure about the Democrats. They all,

you know, they say way too left for them

culturally, politically, economically.

But you have a fraction of what we I

call traditional Republicans that rather

than a look at this election or the

future elections as transactional,

we should look as transformational.

They have chosen those two candidates in

Florida and and Georgia to see

themselves and their future politically

more at home with the Democratic party

than Republicans.

>> At least for now.

>> That tells you the beginning, right?

Well, that is the first steps

>> towards a realignment of coalitions.

>> And we as a party have to look at these

elections, right?

>> I'll give you one analysis. I Okay.

Because we're going to move on and

stuff. Yeah. Go ahead.

>> Okay. I'll be really quick. In 2020, you

had what I call Joe Biden Republicans.

And the real question was, were we going

to govern with the idea of making that

transformational or transactional? And

one of the mistakes I think made in the

Biden administration was rather than try

to unite the country, a lot time was

spent trying to unite the party

>> and we lost the bigger narrative in that

process.

>> Right. That's a very fair point. Um, I'm

going to move on to some business stuff.

Um, lots going on in this area of AI of

something that you've written about a

lot and you and I have talked about

social media and everything else. Now,

in this case, Elon Musk wants to have

OpenAI CEO Sam Alman and President Greg

Brockman removed from the company as

part of a case claiming the company

deceived him to donating $38 million. I

was there when that happened, actually.

Meanwhile, OpenAI sent a letter to the

California and Delaware AGs alleging

Musk has been working to undermine

OpenAI through various attacks,

including by working with Mark

Zuckerberg. I mean, this is true. Um,

Serge jury selection begins in this

high-profile trial where the tech is

sort of eating each other. Like, it's a

really interesting time. And while we're

talking about AI, hopefulness among AI

among young people has dropped to 18%

from 27% last year. You're welcome every

at tech. I'm I'm glad to help it do

that. Almost a third of young adults uh

say AI made them feel angry. Um, and

speaking of Elang, shortly after he

filed his SpaceX IPO last week,

speculation is growing about a merger

with Tesla. Um, I've been saying this

would happen. Let's listen to a clip

from last April. It looks like he's not

interested in making cars anymore or

he's making other things. He wants to

shift Tesla and I I think you're going

to merge XAI

X and this together in a big on the

whole.

>> Yeah. Mhm.

>> Yeah. I had already predicted that he

would put Twitter into Grock and then

they would put it into SpaceX and it

made sense for a lot of thing. Um, so

>> there's a whole new meaning of rollup.

>> Yeah. And actually there there there's a

story in Reuters they're going to

possibly make a cheaper EV which he

should have done four years ago but

that's another issue. Talk a little bit

that's the only answer for Tesla given

how the numbers are declining. He has to

either have a great car or he has which

he's not seemingly interested in a

really great car that sort of wins

everything or he has to merge them all

together and then he can hide the losses

pretty easily in this spectacular IPO

that's going to happen with SpaceX. Um

so which is hugely overvalued but that's

all right. people are going to buy into

it. So talk a little bit about what's

happening here in AI because there's a

whole shift of people not trusting these

people. You know, it's sort of like a

pox on all their houses. Which side do

you want to pick? Altman or Musk or

these people or David Sachs who's like

pushing the president even as the

numbers are declining?

>> I think there's three categories that I

kind of take back from this week. One is

the tech bros all basically urinating on

each other's leg telling you the other

guy it's raining outside and Americans

aren't going to stand for sit on the

sidelines literally

>> while Alman and Daario and Alam Musk all

play and fight with each other like

little kids in the sandbox without adult

supervision. The second

is both open AI and anthropic withhold

product because it's too risky to the

>> right. I was going to mention that too.

These are these are new products

>> that they have coming that they're

worried about security issues and now

they brought a coalition together to try

to patch things but quite dangerous. But

go ahead. And then the third thing which

is whether forget the motivation for say

Sam Alman puts uh out a kind of updated

AI New Deal social contract to compete

in my but again I shouldn't do that

because I said don't put aside the

motivation with Daario

own's view which is this is going to be

so disruptive we have to figure out not

only how the product and the and the

industry, but also how we include the

American people in this. So, it's a net

win rather than three guys win and 333

million lose. Those three boxes are

they're all overlapping.

Now, I step back also as a former mayor

and chief of staff to a president in

massive changing times. the government

is set up to kind of set up a

regulation, wait 30 years to see if it

work, which is an industrial model, and

you're good. You're in the post analog,

postdigital into something totally

different. And I do think when you look

at Daro and and Open AI deciding not to

put a product out, forget the boys

acting like boys,

they're

they are begging

for oversight and rules and they're

making it up as they go. The government

needs industry leaders, academics,

and comments in real time to be making

decisions in real way. We can't rely on

two CEOs social conscience to say I'm

withholding a product because it's

dangerous. While I appreciate that they

did that, that is not how this is going

to work. So, we're going to have to have

a a board that is required to update its

rules and regs and oversight in real

time with an industry that's changing at

a pace the government's not used to.

There's going to have to be principles

that guide it. Now, is a threat from

China real?

>> 100%.

from a competitive standpoint

>> which I find one side note

>> we're a country with a lot of social

whether you think it should be expanded

social insurance our country is fearful

from AI China has none of the social

infrastructure underneath it so if you

fail to get support healthcare

unemployment insurance etc and yet

they're hugely optimistic about AI

>> the countries are in different places

given the support that the public sector

and I find that just as a polit as a

>> they do a lot more monitoring of it. The

c the government does much more

monitoring than we do.

>> Well, there's a confidence since

somebody's going to control and that

you're not going to be left out on the

sideline. So to me, we're going to have

to have a real and I do think this

regardless of whatever my personal

the

two Sam Alman's kind of social contract

Dario's view that uh from anthropic that

we need a kind of a new agreement which

is the difference between kind of

capital versus labor but how AI will b

what I say democratize the benefits of

AI to more people from both skills but

also jobs and economic opportunity and

if you don't the American people are

going to data center rebell you know re

rebellion against it's just minor

compared to what's going to happen

>> and the government's going to have to

step in and do this from an executive

branch standpoint

>> but the tech the tech people are still

aside from those guys like David Sachs

was like how dare you do this this is

our greatest thing and is pushing Trump

even as this is happening and he has

been integral to what I think has been a

disaster for the tech industry in terms

of their imagery, right? They look like

villains now. They're villains now.

They're the villains.

>> Well, they are babies,

>> right? I mean, they're they're villains

and they're actually also they want to

take all the benefit and you're just

going to live in their world. Now, I'm

sorry, that's not how a democratic

capitalist system works. There is real

opportunity.

Look, given the competitiveness with

China, this is going to be one one like

fusion, like quantum computing, etc.

like life sciences, one of the dominant

uh technologies of the future, but it's

not going to be three winners and 333

million losers. That is not how we're

keeping score.

>> I think that in the end of the day, like

everywhere else,

>> industry likes regulations because it

sets rules, guidelines, and principles.

Correct. when you go back to what's

happening like insider training

>> that for the fact that businesses are

not calling that out this is going to

come back to bite you right in the butt.

>> That's what I said. I you know it's

interesting when I saw those statistics

and then David Sachs yammering on about

it. I was like you know David sit the

down because the American people

don't like what you're doing. So and

Trump is stupid to listen to.

>> What?

>> You have dropped the fbomb three times

on that side.

>> I know. I know. I know. I know. You can

do it anytime. That's more your

brother's thing. That's more your your

elderly brother's thing.

>> You will never find me ever saying it

publicly.

>> I know.

>> In my whole career. Do not do that.

>> I know you don't. That I'm just telling

you that's your brother. I have a tape.

Even though my mother Even though my

mother is deaf, she'll hear it and come

and grab me.

>> I have a voice of your brother saying,

"Caris Swisser, you." So, I'm going

to keep it for the rest of I'm making

thinking of making it my way.

>> That was probably a term of endearment.

>> It was. It was. It's because he didn't

invite me to some party. Anyway, I don't

want to go to his party. It doesn't

matter. But happy birthday. Um, all

right, Rahm, let's go on a quick break.

When we come back, we'll talk about very

quickly RFK getting into the podcast

game. Rahm, we're back with just one

more quick story. I regret to inform you

that RFK Jr. is launching a podcast. You

know, it's trouble. Now, the pod will

focus on telling the truth, especially

when it's uncomfortable in confronting

the spiritual malaise. Let's watch a

clip of the announcement. I guess it's

not quite as bad as his as his strange

porn movie with Kid Rock, but let's go.

If we want a healthy nation, we have to

confront the lies that have made us

spiritually, morally, and physically

sick. The time for half measures is now

over. We're launching a new era of

radical transparency in government here

at HHS. I hope you'll join us in our

mission to make America healthy again.

>> Oh my goodness. And of course, just as

there is news in the Washington Post

that they're trying to suppress a CDC

report that vaccines are good for you,

uh, COVID vaccine. So, just transparent

>> gives a whole new me. Yeah. Yeah. I was

going to say it gives a whole new

meaning to what transparency is not.

>> Yeah. So, is he just preparing for his

next career when he gets bounced or what

what is happening? And I hope are you

co-hosting his podcast?

>> First of all, two things. One is he's

preparing that, but it's also to uh

airbrush his past. He has been an

absolute horrible secretary of health

and human services on every measure

>> outside of what's happened with opiates

and he has nothing to do with it. United

States.

>> Best friend to measles is what I call

him. Best friend to measles.

>> Yes. measles, the lack of confidence in

the American CDC, our other types of our

life sciences, our capacities, our

health care cost, everything that he has

touched in the great tradition of this

administration is broken. It needed

repair. It needed to be strengthened.

And across the board, you cannot walk

from a single agency or department. And

he's been the kind of a point of

despair. It's the largest domestic

agency in the United States, health and

human services. and he has made a mess

of it and the people he's appointed have

made a mess of it from CDC to NIH to

what Medicare Medicaid

>> and they have done nothing

>> to measurably improve the health of the

American people

>> and

>> I will say having dealt with this as

both chief of staff but more importantly

when I helped pass the ACA or President

Clinton's children's health insurance

but as mayor of the city of Chicago 8%

of our workforce was driving 70% of our

healthare costs around chronic

illnesses, heart, obesity, etc. He could

have focused on something that actually

moved the needle in both dropping health

care costs and improving public health.

>> Yeah.

>> And rather than bring the country

together like everything in this

administration, never lose an

opportunity to divide Americans. They

have they have from the president to his

cabinet have found m multiple

opportunities

>> to divide people and and literally

repressed examples where they could

actually bring people together of

different political views to work on a

common issue

>> and shame on doctors in the Senate who

voted for him. I mean I just the

Republican would

>> well that gets back to you know Senator

Ga Senator Cassidy is going to pay the

price like Senator Tillis

>> for having basically taking your

conscience and put it in a lock box when

the vote came and you knew what was

right. You took the polit politically

expedient case and I don't want to draw

this to myself but since I'm on I'll

draw it to myself. I can't tell you how

many times I used to walk into Clinton's

office or President Obama's oh I said

you're out of your mind if you do this

this is the Christ. I'm going to let you

lay it out to you. You'll have a debate

about it, but understand the

consequences of this. I was an employee.

Get out of here. This You're an

independent US senator. I was a

congressman. I was You got elected.

>> You have a responsibility

to what the

>> trust has told me, you know what a

martyr is? He's dead. Like he was he was

like, you can't you can't operate from a

position of dead. And that I still was

like, I don't care. Be dead then.

>> You know what I mean? Cuz you'll you'll

say that politically. Yeah,

>> he may say that politically,

>> Mhm.

>> but that vote gave a license to a guy to

do a political purge of the greatest

military forces this country did, the

greatest turnaround this country did.

I've worked with these men and women at

all levels. The amount of dedication,

the amount of understanding of politics,

culture, history, working

diplomatically, working militarily.

Hex doesn't hold a candle any of the

people.

>> Same thing with RFK. So, you won't be

listening to his podcast. In other

words, all right. Uh, one more quick

break. We'll be back for predictions.

Okay, Rahm, let's hear prediction.

There's so many things. Keep it brief.

We got just a little time. I want to

play one thing at the end from NASA um

from the Artemis. But what is your

prediction?

>> Prediction that nobody will be held

accountable for playing the games in the

prediction market with inside

information. The CFTC, the SEC, the

Justice Department not only are asleep,

they're in on the scam.

>> Nobody for now.

Nobody for now under this administration

until they're held accountable.

>> And

>> can I do one thing personal?

>> Sure, please. Absolutely.

>> All right. My son runs a 2hour 39minut

marathon. He did it in Boston.

>> Amazing.

>> He's going to run the Boston Marathon

again. I think he'll have a personal

best.

>> Oh,

>> he ran a 2-hour 39 uh which was

incredible

>> in uh marathon.

>> I think I think this coming Boston he's

running again. He's going to get a

personal best. Oh, that's very

>> a prediction, a hope and a wish. And I'm

very proud of him.

>> Oh, that is amazing. You should run with

him. You should run with him. No, I

couldn't do it.

>> I'm not that. No, that Amy runs

marathons. As I always say, we're going

to have to do a test because I don't

know who your father is. I have no idea

about this man.

>> The kid's an incredible runner.

>> Uhhuh. Okay. And that I want to leave a

thing of hope. Speaking of hope, that's

wonderful. I one of the things I did

feel I think Americans really start

really watch this Artemis flight done by

NASA. It was sort of a wonderful moment.

All all Americans it was the numbers are

quite high which is wonderful. Um NASA

and they did a great job on social media

and this crew is just so wonderful. Men

hugging and crying and saying wonderful

things and laughing and it just has been

a real it's a wonderful group of people

up there and it sort of represents the

best of America in that regard. Kind and

good-hearted. NASA is preparing for the

return of Artemis 2 after this historic

moon flyby. These pictures are

delightful and amazing and astonishing

and it also makes you appreciate Earth.

So, let's listen to a clip from crew

member Christina Cook after the

spacecraft passed by the moon. I thought

it was just one of the most beautiful

things. Let's listen.

>> We will explore. We will build. We will

build ships. We will visit again. We

will construct science outposts. We will

drive rovers. We will do radio

astronomy. We will found companies. We

will bolster industry. We will inspire,

but ultimately we will always choose

Earth. We will always choose each other.

>> Just what you were talking about, Rahm

Maker, the head of NASA.

>> I actually think it was a a perfect

antitheical spirit to what you're seeing

uh out of this administration.

>> We'll choose Earth and we'll choose each

other

>> in a period where we did a war of

choice. Yeah, it was a act and it

touched. Look, I do think there's this

yearning

out there to actually not see our fellow

Americans as the enemy or the it could

be an opponent but from a political

standoint but it's not your enemy and I

thought she touched that human

conspirator and also most importantly

for uh the United States that's

something we can unify around I I don't

know about you I get on the you know

open my iPad first thing I do is see the

pictures they're sending

>> they're beautiful

>> and uh look at the I looked at the earth

from that eclipse photo which I Mhm.

>> was most beautiful

>> shot. And then there was also

complimentary the web telescope put out

new pictures of the galaxy.

>> Yeah.

>> And it's just it it it there's it

kindles and it's and it has that little

light that illuminates in you of

something that

>> uh you can as you said hopeful, proud

and optimistic about

>> and I thought her message was uh just

>> beautiful. It's a beautiful

>> family like the popes.

>> We have a beautiful planet. Anyway, we

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