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all around the world. Straight ahead on

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the program, we look ahead to August

1:59

jobs numbers in the US. I'm Nathan Hager

2:01

in Washington.

2:02

>> I'm Caroline Heper in London where we're

2:04

looking ahead to the state elections in

2:06

Eastern Germany, what it could mean for

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>> Good day to you. I'm Nathan Hager. We

2:44

begin today's program with some key

2:45

economic data in the US. Non-farm

2:48

payrolls for the month of August are due

2:50

out this Friday, 8:30 a.m. Wall Street

2:53

time as it is the first Friday of every

2:55

month. And for more on how this month's

2:57

numbers could affect Fed policy, we are

3:00

very pleased to be joined by Edward

3:01

Harrison, senior strategist for

3:03

Bloomberg News and author of the

3:05

Everything Risk newsletter. Ed, what's

3:07

the risk of the kind of negative

3:09

surprise that we saw from the July

3:12

non-farm payrolls print?

3:14

>> I think the risk is relatively high,

3:16

Nathan, because of the temporary um

3:20

protected status workers who have now

3:24

left the payrolls. I think that that's

3:26

the big question. How many of those

3:29

workers uh were working under temporary

3:32

protected status? And uh what does that

3:35

mean for non-form payrolls? It could

3:38

actually be such a large number in the

3:40

hundreds of thousands that you see a

3:42

negative number for uh for the next

3:46

month as as well as last month.

3:48

>> You're talking about the impact of

3:50

tighter immigration policy on this labor

3:53

market. Is that part of what we've been

3:56

seeing in the overall trend uh whe when

3:58

it comes to labor market growth of this

4:01

low hire low fire environment?

4:04

>> It definitely is. I mean there are two

4:06

factors that come together. One, as uh

4:09

an economy tightens and it gets closer

4:11

to full employment, you naturally have

4:14

uh fewer opportunities. uh you know the

4:19

the the massive gains that you have at

4:21

the beginning of a cycle just aren't

4:23

there at the end of a a business cycle

4:25

or in the middle of it. Then secondarily

4:28

you see uh in the United States in

4:31

particular recently that we've tightened

4:33

immigration policy in a way that will

4:37

mean non-farm payrolls are closer to

4:40

zero on average than they were before.

4:43

meaning that you can get these negative

4:45

numbers and it's not necessarily a sign

4:48

that the economy is weak in the way that

4:50

it would have been when we had a large

4:53

uh growth of immigration. The case of

4:56

the Haitian workers who have lost

4:58

temporary protected status in particular

5:00

that is an encapsulation of that

5:04

immigration policy in a very single

5:06

month and that's why this particular

5:08

number is uh volatile and could surprise

5:11

to the downside. Is that the main factor

5:13

at play here? Uh is it immigration

5:16

policy? What other factors could

5:17

potentially be at play here when it

5:19

comes to what we could see?

5:22

>> I think uh there are some benchmark

5:24

revisions uh that are coming into play.

5:26

Uh so that's going to muddy the waters

5:28

somewhat. Uh and then you also have the

5:30

participation rate which has been going

5:32

down uh as baby boomers age. Uh and so

5:37

that also plays a factor. So there are

5:40

multiple factors but I think just

5:42

because of the uh how quickly the uh the

5:46

status change happened that will

5:49

probably be the main factor and I would

5:50

say that the benchmark revisions are

5:53

going to be the secondary factor and

5:56

then sort of trend factors uh add on to

5:59

that.

5:59

>> There's been a lot of talk as well about

6:01

whether artificial intelligence is

6:03

having an impact on the labor market as

6:04

well. Are you starting to see that come

6:06

into play? you know, I haven't really

6:08

seen that come into play in particular

6:10

because it's not clear whether or not

6:12

that's a positive or a negative factor.

6:15

Uh there's been such a huge boom in

6:18

artificial intelligence related

6:20

positions that it could be a positive

6:23

factor there, but then taking away

6:25

potentially in displacements that uh

6:29

we're starting to see pop up as a

6:31

negative factor. and therefore it's not

6:34

clear if the trend is net positive or

6:37

net negative at this point.

6:38

>> So is it your base case then that when

6:40

we get those numbers on Friday that we

6:42

are going to see a negative print?

6:45

>> I think my base case is that we're going

6:47

to see a very close to zero print and it

6:49

could be negative. I think that that's

6:51

not going to be reflected per se in the

6:55

uh the unemployment uh number which is

6:58

4.1%

7:00

presently and is projected to be 4.1% uh

7:03

for the coming month but uh it will be a

7:08

demonstrabably negative effect on

7:11

non-farm payrolls and that could it

7:13

makes the chance very high that the

7:16

number could be negative again. Thank

7:18

you, Ed. As always, good to get you on

7:20

before a jobs Friday. That's Ed

7:22

Harrison, senior strategist for

7:23

Bloomberg News and the author of the

7:25

Everything Risk Newsletter. Let's take a

7:28

look now at some stocks making news in

7:30

the week ahead. I'm Nathan Hager, joined

7:31

by Bloomberg equities reporter Matthew

7:33

Griffin. So, we're kind of at the tail

7:36

end of the earnings parade, but we've

7:38

got some uh pretty big names reporting

7:40

this week, including Palo Alto Networks

7:42

out with its results on Tuesday. Where's

7:46

the bar for PaloAlto after the strong

7:48

results we got from a crowd strike when

7:51

it comes to cyber security, Matthew?

7:54

>> Well, Nathan, the bar is pretty high. I

7:56

was looking at analysts expectations for

7:58

Palo Alto. That's ticker PW,

8:01

and they're looking for about 30%

8:04

year-over-year revenue growth. This

8:07

comes as all of these cyber names are

8:10

now considered AI beneficiaries.

8:12

companies are spending more on cyber

8:14

security because they're worried about

8:16

things like this trend of models hacking

8:20

companies like Anthropic's decision not

8:22

to even release the Claude Mythos 5

8:25

model to the general public because of

8:26

its cyber capabilities

8:29

and it's really remarkable what's

8:30

happened in the stock market as a result

8:33

you know the first couple months of this

8:35

year these were considered AI disruption

8:38

candidates they were SAS apocalypse

8:41

names and They all traded down as a

8:43

result. Now they have rallied. And so my

8:46

question would be what is the buy side

8:48

looking for here? The valuation has

8:51

spiked above 90 times forward earnings.

8:54

Those are levels not seen in more than a

8:56

decade. So I am wondering what will be

8:59

enough for investors here.

9:01

>> Yeah, I mean that's a really good point

9:02

given that you know since the start of

9:04

the year we've already seen just Palo

9:06

Alto alone nearly double its stock

9:09

market value. I mean you have to wonder

9:10

whether there is further upside from

9:13

here.

9:14

>> Yes. I mean with AI you know you you

9:18

look at what's happened to a lot of the

9:19

AI winners. You can never discount it.

9:22

But we have seen some of the names for

9:24

example uh some of the chip names

9:26

moderating uh their own share growth in

9:30

recent months. And so the question I

9:32

guess would be when will that happen for

9:34

the cyber names?

9:35

>> Absolutely. Um, we're going to hear from

9:37

another one of those uh names and at

9:39

least in the tech space on Wednesday

9:41

when we get results from Broadcom after

9:44

that day's closing bell. Another AI bell

9:46

weather after the the blowout outlook we

9:49

saw from Nvidia this past week. Can we

9:51

expect something similar from from

9:53

Broadcom, do you think?

9:55

>> Well, the real question here is what is

9:59

Broadcom going to say about, you know,

10:01

whether they see blowout revenue in the

10:04

future. So the bar for this company

10:09

that's ticker AVgo for their key revenue

10:12

stream the AI chip revenue is not

10:15

necessarily that high in terms of

10:18

analyst expectations for this quarter.

10:20

It's about in line with their $16

10:23

billion outlook for the quarter. But for

10:26

next year analysts are expecting revenue

10:29

from AI chips of about $120 billion.

10:32

that would imply six-fold growth over

10:35

two years, you know, compared to the

10:37

last full year we have numbers for. And

10:39

so, City says that 2027 outlook or

10:42

commentary or anything we get from the

10:44

company is going to be really important.

10:47

The quarterly outlook for that revenue

10:50

stream really disappointed investors

10:52

when they gave it in June. The stock

10:53

fell 13% in a day. So, we'll see if this

10:57

report can reignite optimism. We could

10:59

also learn more about their sales deals

11:01

with major AI players or these chip

11:03

financing deals. Our colleagues have

11:05

reported the company's in talks with

11:07

lenders to raise more than $60 billion

11:09

in debt for a deal that would benefit

11:11

Anthropic and other companies and

11:12

investors are going to be eager to hear

11:14

if there are any developments on that

11:16

front.

11:16

>> Yeah, absolutely. And you know, given

11:18

what we heard, like I said, from Nvidia

11:20

just this past week about, you know, how

11:22

much revenue they expect to get from the

11:25

uh still continuing AI demand here. Uh I

11:28

guess I wonder whether uh it's one of

11:30

those uh rising tides that lifts all

11:32

boats kind of situation that could

11:34

benefit for Broadcom. Is that kind of

11:35

what analysts are thinking right now?

11:38

>> It's what Wall Street is hoping.

11:40

Broadcom has positioned itself as a key

11:42

competitor to Nvidia, but Nvidia is

11:45

still the market leader. And so we do go

11:48

into these reports wondering how much

11:50

they will benefit from the rising tide.

11:53

That positioning though as a key

11:56

competitor, it does mean this report

11:58

will tell us a lot about the broader AI

12:00

infrastructure complex. So, anything

12:03

that confirms that bullish outlook from

12:05

Nvidia, which was for about 70% revenue

12:08

growth in the next fiscal year, that

12:10

would be a positive and it would start

12:13

offsetting some of the concerns about

12:15

the AI trade that are growing. We're

12:18

seeing falling token prices that

12:21

complicates the return on investment

12:23

question. And something I've been

12:24

reporting a lot on a lot is these

12:27

regulatory concerns, the public push

12:29

back to data centers and what that can

12:31

mean for AI infrastructure spending.

12:32

>> Along with the chip names, we're also

12:34

going to hear from a retail name uh the

12:38

athleisure company Lululemon on

12:41

Thursday. It feels like the turnaround

12:43

just keeps waiting for Lululemon,

12:46

Matthew.

12:47

>> Yes, Nathan. And this stock, ticker LLU,

12:51

it really is a case of low expectations

12:53

this quarter. Analysts are expecting

12:55

revenue to just barely grow to be up

12:57

about 1%.

13:00

But even clearing that bar is not

13:02

guaranteed. I mean, we could list a lot

13:05

of headwinds facing this company.

13:07

Increased competition from companies

13:09

like Vori, product launch issues like

13:11

the see-through leggings, criticism from

13:13

their founder, Chip Wilson. And then

13:16

there's the question of how much credit

13:18

investors are going to give anything

13:20

that they say about those issues this

13:22

quarter because they have a new CEO

13:24

Heidi O'Neal taking over next month.

13:26

That could change the narrative. It

13:28

could change the strategy. Maybe it will

13:30

finally put that turnaround into effect.

13:33

One thing that I am going to be

13:35

interested to see from this company is

13:37

what they say about tariff refunds. They

13:39

have spent a lot on tariffs. It's been a

13:42

key cost bucket. They've said they're

13:43

applying for refunds, but that they

13:45

didn't factor that into guidance. So,

13:47

that could be a source of upside to

13:49

consensus here if those refunds come

13:51

through. Maybe not high quality, durable

13:54

upside, but something that would help

13:55

investors as they wait for a broader

13:58

rebound in their sales.

14:00

>> All right, really appreciate this,

14:01

Matthew. Thanks for coming on with us.

14:03

That's Bloomberg Equities reporter

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Matthew Griffin. And coming up on

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>> This is Bloomberg Daybreak Weekend, our

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global look ahead at the top stories for

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investors in the coming week. I'm Nathan

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Hager in Washington. Up later in the

17:34

program, we'll look ahead to some key

17:35

economic data in South Korea. But first,

17:38

in the coming days, voters head to the

17:40

polls for state elections in Eastern

17:42

Germany. The far-right alternative for

17:44

Germany party is set to put in a strong

17:46

performance in the industryheavy state

17:48

of Saxony on halt. So what could the

17:50

vote mean for Germany's future, its

17:52

politics, its economy, and for the rest

17:54

of Europe? For more, let's go to London

17:56

and bring in Bloomberg Daybreak Europe

17:58

anchor Caroline Heb. Nathan, you might

18:00

be wondering why regional elections in

18:03

Germany could change the outlook for

18:05

European politics. While the far-right

18:07

AFD party, the alternative for

18:10

Deutseland, is comfortably ahead in the

18:13

polls for the Saxony Anhalt election in

18:15

the next few days. And if the Aft wins,

18:19

it would see the far right gain control

18:22

of a German state government for the

18:24

first time since the Second World War. A

18:28

strong showing for the anti-immigration

18:30

party could further complicate

18:32

policymaking for Chancellor Friedrich

18:35

Mertz's flagging government coalition.

18:38

Debates are live in Europe's largest

18:41

economy around migration, the war in

18:44

Ukraine, and the cost of living. And to

18:47

make matters worse for Chancellor Mertz,

18:49

one of the key automakers in the

18:52

country, the industrial giant Volkvaren

18:55

says that Germany will have to shoulder

18:57

tens of thousands of additional job

18:59

carts. That's bad news for regional

19:02

economic disparity and for Mertz's CDU

19:06

party ahead of this vote. Here is

19:09

Bloomberg's industrials reporter Will

19:11

Wilks. for workers and maybe more for

19:14

the German state. This is an urgent

19:15

problem for them. The German state is

19:17

already part of Volkswagen through lower

19:20

Saxony and what the German state wants

19:22

is the best possible outcome for jobs.

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Obviously, German politics is very

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regional election coming up where the

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That was Bloomberg's industrials

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reporter Will Wilks there. Chancellor

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Mertz says that he can spearhead a

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German economic recovery saying that it

19:50

has the potential to exceed 1% GDP

19:53

growth next year. But what do voters in

19:57

Saxony and Halt think? Joining us now is

20:00

Camille Kavula who is our German finance

20:03

and economy ministry reporter who also

20:06

covers AFD the party and Jenny Tier who

20:09

is our deputy bureau chief in Germany.

20:12

Welcome to both of you and thank you for

20:13

speaking to us. Jenny, can I start with

20:16

you? First of all, why do these state

20:20

elections in Germany actually matter for

20:23

German politics and for the future of

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the country? Yeah, they matter because

20:28

they'll send a strong signal to the

20:29

government in Berlin and Chancellor Mays

20:32

basically saying we don't like what

20:34

you're doing and we feel neglected. So

20:37

if the far right really wins, that means

20:40

getting an absolute majority and

20:43

actually being in executive power, then

20:46

this would be historical for Germany and

20:48

and definitely send waves to the

20:51

government in Berlin and yeah, the

20:54

pressure will definitely increase then

20:56

and that's going to be a problem for an

20:58

already quite fragile coalition there.

21:02

>> Yeah. So maybe a protest vote in some

21:05

senses, a big signal to the government

21:07

in Berlin. Camel, tell us about AFD's

21:11

controversial, it must be said,

21:13

candidate Olri Sigund in terms of why

21:17

he's important as a figurehead and the

21:19

issues that he's been campaigning on.

21:21

>> So what are the Sigmans? The the FD's

21:24

top candidates, he's also the FD's, you

21:27

could say, more approachable face,

21:29

right? He's he's young. He's

21:30

charismatic. He's highly effective on

21:33

social media as well. And he doesn't

21:35

look or or sound radical, which which

21:38

makes him also an option for voters who

21:41

might otherwise hesitate to support a

21:43

farright party. But in terms of

21:45

policies, um he's he's quite in line

21:47

with the federal AFD. He campaigns for

21:50

tougher immigration controls, more

21:52

deportations, opposes support for

21:54

Ukraine, saying that it's at the expense

21:56

of of German taxpayers while also

21:59

calling for rebuilding relations with

22:01

with Russia.

22:02

>> What does the polling look like at the

22:04

moment currently in the last few days?

22:07

>> The FD is far ahead. They're at around

22:09

42%

22:11

so it's like 20 20 percentage points in

22:14

front of the conservatives, Matt

22:16

Conservatives. So, it looks like they're

22:18

going to win. The only question is if

22:20

it's going to be an outright majority.

22:22

>> Jenny, what does the polling look like

22:25

for Fredick Mertz's CDU? And why has

22:29

Mertz shown sort of difficulty? Why do

22:32

you think that there is this popularity

22:35

it would seem for the AfD?

22:37

>> Yeah, I think a lot of people are quite

22:39

frustrated which is also showing in in

22:42

the national polling numbers the AFD is

22:45

ahead. um I think 8 to nine percentage

22:48

points of the conservatives and this is

22:50

obviously a problem for for Mads and his

22:52

coalition. I think one of the root

22:55

causes on the one hand is the German

22:58

economy been stagnating for quite a

23:01

while pretty sluggish growth and also

23:04

there's a lot of insecurity because

23:06

especially in the industry sector in the

23:09

car industry which is under a lot of

23:11

pressure from China and tens of

23:13

thousands of jobs are in danger. So

23:16

people are not really certain about

23:17

their future and this is what kind of

23:20

draws them of course to seemingly easy

23:23

solutions um and and populism from from

23:26

either side.

23:27

>> So yeah, I think this is why the the

23:30

government is really looking um to the

23:33

east and hoping for the best.

23:35

>> Yeah. Camel AFD supporters oppose also

23:40

more aid to Ukraine and they maybe think

23:42

that the money should be spent on

23:44

domestic issues. How important is that

23:47

issue to think about uh in the

23:49

motivation of of voters the Russia

23:52

Ukraine issue?

23:53

>> It's quite important. It's quite a

23:55

polarizing issue like migration or it

23:58

has become a quite polarizing issue. DFD

24:01

or Sigman, they use Ukraine as a symbol

24:03

of of of a government that finds money

24:06

for international commitments while

24:09

local schools, roads and hospitals in

24:11

Germany deteriorate. So he he draws on

24:14

also on on on a kind of East German

24:17

grievance, the belief that the former

24:19

East has been neglected by Berlin. And

24:21

the message also draws on a stronger

24:24

pro-Russian sentiment in in parts of

24:26

Eastern Germany. also concerns about

24:28

energy prices and the deep distrust of

24:31

the political establishment in Berlin.

24:33

>> So a lot of maybe some concerns also and

24:36

different attitudes maybe towards

24:37

Russia. Having said that, Germany's

24:40

counter intelligence have warned of a

24:43

Russell linked influence campaign on

24:45

these elections. So that also remains

24:47

something of an issue of of whether that

24:49

influence campaign is is going to

24:52

deliver some results.

24:54

>> That's true. Um, German intelligence has

24:56

warned about Russia linked

24:57

disinformation campaigns, but currently

25:00

there's no evidence that the election

25:02

itself will not be free or or fair. So,

25:06

it's true it's taking place in a rather

25:08

manipulated and and hostile information

25:11

environment. And that's all like

25:13

Russia's broad hybrid war strategy,

25:16

right? like weakening trust in

25:17

democratic institutions and helping

25:20

parties that are maybe less critical of

25:22

Moscow and social media makes of course

25:25

all those campaigns more effective but

25:27

yeah as you know Germany is not alone

25:29

facing this problem it's it's other

25:30

European democracies and especially the

25:33

United States are confronted with with a

25:35

similar problem right

25:36

>> yeah absolutely then to a thought about

25:40

what in Germany is called the firewall

25:43

do you think that that cracks in Germany

25:45

this is the idea that other political

25:48

parties won't work with the AFD even if

25:50

they are elected, you know, that that

25:52

has happened in the past. Do you think

25:54

that that is eroded if the AFD does

25:57

particularly well at a regional level?

25:59

I don't expect the firewall to fall. I

26:03

expect it to remain at least formally in

26:05

place after the election. But an AFD win

26:09

would definitely put it under enormous

26:11

pressure, especially if the party falls

26:14

just short of an outright majority and

26:17

need a governing partner because then

26:18

the whole discussion about the firewall

26:21

and this could trigger a serious debate

26:23

inside the Conservatives um over whether

26:26

this refusal to cooperate with the FD is

26:29

still sustainable and if this strategy

26:32

which Matts put in place um has already

26:34

failed. So the pressure especially on

26:36

merits would be particularly intense

26:39

because also parts of the conservatives

26:41

um are ideologically closer to the AFD

26:44

than the social democrats or the greens

26:45

are. Um there might also be some CDU

26:47

lawmakers who jump ship and and join

26:49

AFD.

26:51

>> Yeah. Yeah. And of course there are two

26:53

tests aren't there coming up. There's

26:55

the election in Saxony Anhalt which is

26:57

on the 6th of September and then there's

26:59

another regional vote on the 20th of

27:02

September. Jenny, let me bring you in

27:04

then. What do you think an AFD victory

27:08

would mean, not just for Germany, but

27:10

also for Europe and for the far right

27:13

and this sort of whole process? So if

27:16

the AFD wins, the government will be

27:18

under increasing amount of pressure and

27:21

also specifically MATS and he will be

27:24

basically fighting for his political

27:26

survival and of course his focus then

27:29

will probably shift more to the domestic

27:32

side and because M is a very strong

27:34

supporter of of Ukraine this might have

27:38

an effect on yeah basically the EU's

27:41

support of of Ukraine because if they

27:43

lose Germany as a supporter then of

27:45

course I'm going to have a huge problem

27:48

and and in general I think people will

27:51

be especially of course Germany's

27:53

neighbor will be very suspicious because

27:57

they might think okay have the Germans

28:00

um forgotten their history because the

28:02

AFD is saying well let's let's move on

28:05

let's not remember all what's happened

28:07

in the past you know we're different

28:08

people now let's move on and I think the

28:12

majority of the Germans still very much

28:14

remember the history. We have a huge

28:16

so-called inong school tour um the

28:19

remembrance culture here in Germany

28:22

where the Nazi pass is definitely huge

28:25

part of our education and and people

28:28

know about it and are aware about it.

28:30

But of course, as a German neighbor, um

28:32

I can definitely understand if if some

28:34

of Germany's neighbors are not feeling

28:36

particularly good about these kind of

28:38

developments.

28:39

>> Well, we'll leave it there. Camille

28:41

Kavula, our German finance and economy

28:44

ministry reporter, and Jenny Tier, our

28:47

deputy bureau chief in Germany. Thank

28:49

you for your thoughts. I'm Caroline

28:51

Hepker. You can catch us every weekday

28:53

morning here for Bloomberg Daybreak

28:54

Europe beginning at 6:00 a.m. in London.

28:57

That's 1:00 a.m. on Wall Street. Nathan,

28:59

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29:01

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Hager in Washington. South Korea will

31:59

report on inflation in the week ahead.

32:01

The question is whether the numbers

32:02

point to another rate hike from the Bank

32:05

of Korea. For more, we turn to Doug

32:07

Krer, host of the Bloomberg Daybreak

32:09

Asia podcast. Thanks, Nathan. Consumer

32:12

inflation in South Korea has remained at

32:14

or above the central bank's 2% target

32:17

for nearly a year now. A key driver of

32:20

those higher prices has been the robust

32:22

exports of semiconductors. For a closer

32:25

look at what's happening on the ground

32:26

in South Korea, I'm joined by

32:28

Bloomberg's Cat Barton. Cat is our

32:30

bureau chief in Soul. She joins us now.

32:33

Thank you for being here. There is a lot

32:35

to look at and a number of different

32:36

aspects that I'm hoping to get to. But

32:38

if we can start with the macroeconomy

32:40

since we are expecting this inflation

32:42

data in the coming week. Give me a sense

32:45

of what is happening and what the market

32:47

is expecting.

32:48

>> We're definitely uh expecting some

32:51

interesting data next week. The key

32:53

thing for the August inflation figures

32:55

is actually going to be that we know

32:56

that we're going to see a surge or we we

32:58

expect to see a surge partly because we

33:01

had SK Telecom last year was giving huge

33:04

discounts due to a whole bunch of leaks

33:06

and issues like that on mobile charges.

33:08

So once those significant kind of 50%

33:10

discounts are eradicated, we know that's

33:13

going to uh hit the August figures. But

33:16

obviously as you say overall the Bank of

33:18

Korea flagged that they're they're very

33:21

worried. The projection is obviously

33:22

2.5% both for 2025 and for 2026 for core

33:27

and it's a lot as you say due to these

33:29

absolutely roaring um exports of

33:31

semiconductors. The export figures for

33:34

July were extremely robust. We were

33:37

seeing nearly like 180% surge in the

33:40

chip exports while shipments you know of

33:43

kind of computer related more generally

33:44

products were 400%. I mean it's this

33:48

incredibly strong um external demand for

33:50

South Korea's semiconductors because

33:52

obviously Samsung electronics SKH highex

33:55

are key suppliers for Nvidia and for the

33:57

other hyperscalers um and that demand

34:00

remains really robust which is really

34:02

impacting the economy here.

34:03

>> So I want to take a closer look at the

34:04

chip story in a moment but let's reflect

34:06

back on the last week in the Bank of

34:08

Korea raising its policy rate by 25

34:11

basis points. I believe it's now at 3%.

34:13

That's after a rate hike in July. So, if

34:17

I'm reading this correctly, that's the

34:19

first time that we have seen

34:20

back-to-back rate hikes from the Bank of

34:22

Korea in more than three years. And I

34:24

found it very curious that when the head

34:27

of the BOK was kind of describing the

34:30

rationale for the move, he likened

34:33

monetary policy to a gardening tool.

34:35

Help me understand what unfolded.

34:38

>> It was probably the most interesting

34:39

Bank of Korea press conference we've had

34:41

in a long time. governor reached for

34:43

this uh gardening metaphor to explain

34:45

what was going on uh for his

34:46

back-to-back rate hikes. In Korean,

34:49

there's a local proverb that warns

34:50

against kind of delaying action. I guess

34:52

the English equivalent would be like a

34:54

stitch in time saves nine. But

34:56

basically, he was saying if we don't

34:58

contain a problem with a homie, which is

35:00

like this very small handheld Korean

35:03

plow, you will eventually need to use a

35:06

far larger shovel implement to fix this

35:09

problem. So he's basically saying we

35:11

need to act now otherwise this problem

35:13

is going to get a lot worse and we're

35:14

going to have to throw a lot more at it

35:17

to contain it. So that was he returned

35:19

to this gardening metaphor about half a

35:21

dozen times during the the press

35:23

conference to explain why he's hiked

35:26

rates back to back because they really

35:28

really really want to prevent inflation

35:30

from becoming entrenched and they want

35:31

to reduce the kind of eventual economic

35:34

cost of bringing it under control. So

35:36

you mentioned a moment ago the

35:37

inflationary forces that are tied to

35:39

what's happening in the semiconductor

35:41

industry in South Korea. Obviously we

35:43

have seen globally this buildout of AI

35:45

data centers. It's created enormous

35:48

demand for high bandwidth memory chips

35:50

made by companies like SKHix and

35:52

Samsung. And I'm wondering how much the

35:56

wage story is a part of the inflation

35:58

story, whether workers at these

36:00

production facilities are being

36:02

compensated increasingly well. And that

36:06

perhaps is one of the drivers here of

36:08

what's happening with inflation in South

36:10

Korea.

36:11

>> That is absolutely the case. It's not

36:14

even hit yet really, but that is what

36:17

the Bank of Korea is really worried

36:18

about because we're seeing workers at

36:21

Samsung Electronics, workers at SKH

36:23

Highix being offered these huge bonuses

36:26

that could um equate to, you know,

36:29

$400,500,000

36:32

like enormous bonuses and annual bonuses

36:35

which could continue for years as long

36:37

as the companies continue to hit uh

36:40

certain performance targets that were

36:41

agreed with the with the unions.

36:43

So definitely that is what the Bank of

36:46

Korea is is worrying is going to to

36:48

percolate through that demand side

36:50

pressure because of the sharp increases

36:52

in wages for semiconductor workers. And

36:54

remember that hasn't even actually

36:56

started hitting yet. The wage agreements

36:58

were announced, the bonus deals were

36:59

announced, but they won't actually be

37:00

getting those bonuses until 2027. So

37:03

it's already just anticipation that

37:05

we're seeing like property prices in the

37:07

areas around the FABS starting to rise

37:10

really steeply. We're seeing all of that

37:12

kind of anticipation of these huge

37:14

payouts percolate through even to the

37:16

dating sites like um if you're a Samsung

37:19

electronics or an SK um high

37:21

semiconductor engineer you're now one of

37:22

the most desirable people on like a

37:24

matchmaking site in South Korea. So it's

37:27

really starting to to trickle out

37:29

through the whole economy through the

37:30

whole of South Korean society because

37:32

they are one of the few countries

37:34

globally who are already making like

37:36

tremendous amounts of money from this AI

37:38

buildout. So with that, are we expecting

37:40

these companies, whether it's an SKH

37:42

Heinix or a Samsung, to expand chip

37:45

production overall? And would that not

37:48

then feed into the inflation narrative?

37:50

>> It's a really big question in South

37:52

Korea because the government recently

37:54

announced that they want to invest $880

37:58

billion in building out a new chip hub

38:00

in the south of the country. So at the

38:03

moment, all of the semiconductor

38:04

production is clustered around Seoul. So

38:07

the government's argument is that, you

38:08

know, we need to diversify. There's too

38:10

much pressure on this area already.

38:12

There's not enough, you know,

38:13

electricity. There's not enough

38:14

infrastructure. So they've proposed

38:16

building out this huge new um chips hub

38:19

in the south in Guangju. Samsung and SK

38:22

have have agreed. They're they're on

38:24

board with this massive project and that

38:26

it certainly they see very robust

38:29

demand. The the companies are saying

38:30

that they see it extending through 2027,

38:32

2028, 2029, etc., etc. So expanding

38:36

capacity could be a huge thing but again

38:38

already the impact of that on the local

38:41

area on the South Korean economy will

38:42

have to be very carefully managed indeed

38:44

but it's a huge priority for the

38:46

government because they view South

38:48

Korea's position in the kind of global

38:50

semiconductor chain as like a you know

38:51

it's a national strategic asset for them

38:54

and this administration is extremely

38:56

eager to capitalize on South Korea's

38:58

place in that semiconductor supply chain

39:01

and use this kind of momentum to help

39:03

balance regional development velment in

39:05

the country.

39:05

>> So what about moving production to the

39:07

United States? Where are we in that

39:09

process? I know that there have been

39:11

some commitments made, some

39:13

manufacturing is happening. I mean,

39:15

where are we in that process right now?

39:17

That is a very good question because

39:20

South Korea has obviously signed a $350

39:23

billion trade deal with the US but they

39:25

haven't actually started any of the the

39:28

deals under that massive agreement

39:31

unlike Japan for example which has

39:33

already you know announced a lot of a

39:34

lot of projects that are going ahead. So

39:36

what we are hearing is that the US is

39:39

not particularly happy about that and uh

39:41

they're not especially not happy. I mean

39:44

South Korea has denied some of these

39:45

reports but we've seen local media

39:47

reports here saying that Soul is coming

39:49

under quite a lot of pressure from

39:50

Washington to announce kind of big built

39:53

semiconductor projects in the US.

39:55

Obviously, there are some already. We

39:57

have groundbreaking this week with an

39:59

SKH Highix project, but I think from

40:01

Washington's perspective, they would

40:02

like to see a lot more investment state

40:05

side to see this the these these fabs

40:07

being constructed there, to see South

40:09

Korean companies investing more and

40:11

announcing bigger projects, especially

40:12

under this trade deal, which has been,

40:14

you know, progressing far more slowly

40:16

than US President Donald Trump would

40:18

like to see. And I think some of that

40:20

may have come through last week when

40:23

Trump announced this very unexpected

40:25

move to to cail um joint military drills

40:28

with the South. Some of that was uh

40:30

reportedly linked to dissatisfaction

40:31

about how slowly they were moving on the

40:33

$350 billion trade deal.

40:35

>> But I'm curious about how Trump's effort

40:37

to revive diplomacy with North Korean

40:40

leader Kim Jong-un is being received in

40:42

Soul. Well, it's a tricky one because it

40:45

actually chimes very well with what

40:47

President Liam Jamyong of South Korea

40:49

himself wants to do. Since he came into

40:52

office, he's taken steps to reduce

40:54

tensions with North Korea. He's taken

40:55

steps to, you know, to to stop things

40:58

like propaganda broadcasts at the border

41:00

to stop, you know, floating activists

41:02

floating balloons with um propaganda

41:04

into North Korea, which infuriates the

41:06

Kim Jong-un regime. and Li Jayung hailed

41:09

Trump's announcement saying yes I mean

41:12

because from the perspective of the

41:13

South Korean government they see that

41:15

Trump in his very unorthodox way does

41:17

perhaps have the best chance of anyone

41:19

of making some kind of breakthrough with

41:21

North Korea and potentially helping to

41:24

to end this war. Remember that that

41:26

South Korea and North Korea remain

41:28

technically at war even um since the the

41:30

1950s because the the conflict ended

41:32

with an armistice not a peace treaty. So

41:35

actually the government in Seoul is

41:36

quite happy about it. But at the same

41:38

time they fear very much being cut out

41:40

of that process because North Korea does

41:42

not show any signs of wanting to talk to

41:44

Soul. They were refused basically to

41:46

engage directly. They prefer to engage

41:49

with the US which is you know what they

41:51

want. Although in fairness after Trump

41:53

posted his social media uh screed saying

41:56

that he was you know had very good ties

41:58

with Kim Jong-un, Kim Jong-un's very

42:00

powerful sister Kimo Jong came out and

42:02

said actually you know casting doubt on

42:05

whether there had been any direct

42:06

communication saying that they still

42:07

regarded the US as hostile saying uh

42:10

yesterday they were complaining about

42:12

potential arm sales by the US to to

42:14

South Korea. So it doesn't seem that the

42:17

that President Trump's move have paved

42:20

the way for an imminent breakthrough,

42:22

although obviously every every little

42:24

helps in this in this tricky situation.

42:26

Kat, before I let you go, I have to ask

42:28

about how South Korea is cultivating a

42:31

deeper relationship with Japan because I

42:34

recall reading in the last week on the

42:35

Bloomberg terminal that SKH Heinix is

42:39

exploring ways to deepen its cooperation

42:41

with the memory chip maker Kyoka

42:44

Holdings. Give me a sense of what's

42:46

happening in the relationship right now

42:48

between Soul and Tokyo.

42:50

>> It's interesting. they are looking at

42:52

how they can kind of deepen cooperation

42:55

with Japanese customers and and

42:56

suppliers. SKH Highix did indeed say

42:58

that um earlier this week um because

43:02

obviously it's a very important you know

43:05

it's a very important market for them.

43:06

They're very important uh you know

43:08

customers but they basically they don't

43:10

have any what what the SKH was saying is

43:13

that they don't have any kind of fixed

43:15

plans uh for their kind of indirect

43:18

stake in the in the Japanese. I think

43:20

it's uh what they would like to do is

43:22

see basically Japan you know develop

43:24

more because much as they're doing like

43:26

for example they were doing this

43:27

groundbreaking in Indiana uh where

43:29

they've invested obviously more than

43:31

like I think 4 billion they would like

43:33

to help develop you know in the Japanese

43:35

semiconductor industry also which is a

43:38

key um a key part uh of maybe boosting

43:41

the their neighbor helping to to um

43:43

diversify but yes it's not direct

43:46

competition for SK it wouldn't be you

43:49

know that they would necessarily be

43:50

losing out as a result of this. I think

43:52

they see it as a win-win. They see it as

43:53

some, you know, that they can help their

43:56

neighboring uh Japanese chipmaker to

43:58

kind of uh to develop and grow. And you

44:01

know, as they are doing in the US, it

44:03

works it works with the chimes with the

44:05

kind of Lee Jamyong administration's

44:06

priorities to boost ties with these two

44:09

security allies. Both, you know, Japan

44:11

and and the US are very important

44:13

security allies for them. They've just

44:14

announced that they're doing, you know,

44:16

joint uh trilateral military drills. And

44:18

I think the growing economic

44:20

cooperation, you know, feeds into that.

44:22

Uh, also

44:23

>> Cat, we'll leave it there. Thank you so

44:24

very much. Bloomberg's Cat Barton. She

44:26

is our bureau chief in Soul. I'm Doug

44:29

Krer. You can catch us weekdays for the

44:31

Daybreak Asia podcast. It's available

44:33

wherever you get your podcast. Nathan,

44:36

>> thanks Doug. And that does it for this

44:37

edition of Bloomberg Daybreak Weekend.

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Interactive Summary

This episode of Bloomberg Daybreak Weekend covers critical economic developments, including an analysis of upcoming US non-farm payroll data and the potential impact of immigration policies on labor markets. The program also highlights high-stakes state elections in Eastern Germany and their implications for European politics, as well as an in-depth look at South Korea's economic landscape, specifically the central bank's inflation concerns and the booming semiconductor industry.

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