You said you think you visited hell.

>> I know I did. And it was more real than

anything I've experienced. It was the

most amount of fear I'd ever felt in my

life. My body was contorted. It was

doing things that the human body

shouldn't do. [music]

>> Do you think you were possessed? Because

subsequently, you've had several

exorcisms.

>> Yes. The things that are happening are

just undeniable.

>> What happened?

>> I'll tell you what I experienced.

>> Just before we get into all of that, you

have lived a remarkable life. I was in a

US Navy, went to Iraq, Haiti,

Afghanistan, and done some insane

missions. I mean, you learn a lot of

critical life lessons, but there's

another side, too. I [music] mean, you

get addicted to those type of

environments. Adrenaline.

>> And after your CIA contracting role, you

moved to Medlin, Columbia.

>> Yeah. It was probably the most dangerous

thing I'd ever done.

>> Did you get involved in the drug dealing

networks?

>> Yes. I never really dealt. It was more

setting up the network, figuring out who

the players are that gave me the rush.

There's not very many people that can

pull some like that off. But then this

guy Freddy, he said, "The police [music]

were after me." They had planted a bug

in the light fixture outside of my door.

And then they

>> You now have built one of the biggest

podcasts on planet Earth.

>> Yes, but my show will not appear in

popular podcasts because it's something

that I was saying a long time ago. It

had to do with

>> That is very [ __ ] weird. Do you think

podcasters are being compromised by

guests being planted on their shows or

in other ways?

>> Yes. Here's one example. Trump

administration crushed it in the

election cycle, right? Really utilized

the podcast. They saw the power of it.

It was a great tactic and so I think

that [music] they have people inside of

all the platforms that we use and this

has happened to me because one time I

had a guy come on and we can talk about

that.

>> And you endorsed Trump before the

election.

>> I wanted him to win. Have you changed

your opinion on Trump now?

>> Oh yeah, for a multitude of reasons. I

probably shouldn't be satisfied.

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>> [singing]

>> Sean Ryan, you have lived a remarkable

life for so many different reasons. Um,

I feel like you've lived several

different lives as well, dare I say. But

for anybody that might not be familiar

with your smash hit show and your

incredible journey through the military,

can you give me a a topline on the

career that you've had before you got

into podcasting for those that might not

know? Yeah, joined the US Navy. It I

think I enlisted at age 17, went

straight to into the Navy Seal program,

went to BUDS, went to SEAL teammate,

spent 5 and a half years in the Navy,

and then left that, became a real estate

agent. I had read a book by Donald Trump

way back then on this is it, how to get

rich. It inspired me to become an

entrepreneur and failed miserably.

[laughter] So then I looked at

government contracting, started

contracting for central intelligence

agencies, started a small state

department gig, got picked up for the

CIA contract, did that through

Blackwater, then jumped over to a

company called Socked and then uh wound

up getting picked up direct contractor

for the agency of No Middleman.

>> And you said that you wanted to be a

Navy Seal. Now, for for international

audiences that might not know what a

Navy Seal is relative to just like being

in the army, what is the distinction?

>> A Navy seal stands for sea, air, and

land. So, you operate in the sea, air,

and the land. It's uh special

operations. So, it is uh one of the most

prolific special operations units in the

world. You go through a training

pipeline that's a couple years long. you

go through buds, which if you make it um

without getting hurt or without getting

rolled back, that's 6 months. I didn't

make it without rolling back. So, I

think I spent about 9 months there. Then

you go to jump school. Then you go to

SQT SEAL qualification training, which

is kind of where they turn you into

I guess I shouldn't say they turn you

into a special operator, but but that's

the the final school. Then you get your

SEAL trident and then you spend another

year or two, year and a half training at

your SEAL team before you ever even get

the opportunity to to to deploy uh for

the country. Diving, jumping, land

warfare, demolition, small unit tactics,

lots of time in a kill house, lots of

time in land warfare, all different uh

operational environments, desert,

winter, jungle, you name it, we're in

it. Is it equivocal to the SAS which is

like the British version of the special

operations team?

>> I would say yeah SAS or SPS.

>> Okay. And you must have seen some pretty

horrific interesting

unforgettable things while you were on

those tours of duties around the world.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Oper.

The first thing I ever saw uh that was

that that that

was warfareish. It wasn't really hot. I

thought it was hot at the time, but uh

2004 we went to Haiti when Aristid got

pulled out of power. It was the first

time I'd really seen true poverty. And

uh I don't know if you've ever been

there, but I mean, you know, the sewage

goes right into the streets. All the

prisoners had broken out. We there were

dead bodies floating around the water,

bullet holes everywhere.

Every once in a while, I'd see a car on

fire. I mean, it was just vast chaos. It

really wasn't anything compared to what

I would see later on. But uh [sighs] but

that was the first place. And then

Afghanistan uh we went there after

Operation Red Wings uh happened. That

was uh the biggest loss in SEAL team

history at the time.

>> What was Operation Red Wings?

>> Have you ever seen the movie Lone

Survivor?

>> No.

>> Okay. There was a a sniper element on a

mountaintop that was that was

surveilling a town that had a highv

value terrorist in in there. And um the

sniper hide was compromised by a goat

herder. Goat herder went back to town

and told everybody what he had seen and

then and then they ambushed the element

up there. Helicopters went down and then

there was one guy that survived it. And

so it was it was the biggest loss ever

in Seal Team history at the time. That

happened in on June 28th and I think we

were there by late late September, early

October, I believe, is when we were

there. We did some uh hit some targets,

but they were pretty much all dry holes.

Grabbed a couple of prisoners. Um stuff

like that. And then we actually went

home early. And then I went to Iraq.

Well, I went to Iraq. My platoon went

home. I decided I wanted to get out at

that point. Uh it just for me it wasn't

really what it was uh what I thought it

was going to be.

>> What was it?

>> I thought it would be a lot more combat.

I wanted to go out every night and do

the job, do direct actions,

do CQB, do sniper stuff, whatever. I

just wanted to work. And uh we weren't

getting that in Afghanistan. It was few

and far between. This was 05 time frame

and 0506

time frame. I can't remember what

happened. Uh but the elections were

dragging on and so I had a OIC which is

kind of like the leader of a of a SEAL

platoon. He had found a way to farm us

out to conventional units that were

getting hit were getting hit on supply

routes with with roadside bombs, uh

suicide bombers, stuff like that. And so

we would attach into these conventional

units and train them up. Hey, this is

how you this is how you run

surveillance. This is how you come up

with a mission basically. And we would

teach them everything from how to plan

the mission to how to set up a sniper

hide, how to shoot, how to insert, how

to Xfill, uh how to position all the

different teams. And then we would go

out there. We would take them with us

and uh hunt the people that were killing

our guys. And every time we went out,

we'd

we had killed the bad guys, uh, the

terrorists within within 24 hours of

being out there. And then we move on to

the next unit and that was my last

deployment.

>> When you came back from the SEAL team,

were you a different man?

>> Definitely.

>> In what way were you changed?

>> A lot of ways. you learn uh a lot of

critical life lessons uh in the SEAL

teams and being in environments like

that and your personal drive just goes

through the roof. Uh what you realize

that you can accomplish as a human being

uh is far more than I think what the

normal person thinks. [snorts] your

ability to to work in stress uh in

extreme stress uh goes through the roof.

There's another side too. I mean you get

addicted to adrenaline. You get addicted

to

those type envir of environments. You

succumb to the culture that comes with

that which is a lot of drinking,

fighting, all those things.

>> So you're in the Navy Seals.

>> Mhm.

You contract with the CIA for a while

and then I guess the other, you know,

pretty tremendous accomplishment is you

now have built one of the biggest

podcasts on planet earth where you

interview people just like I do here.

That is correct. Do you think podcasters

are being compromised by sort of guests

being planted? Yes.

I have no proof, but yes. And in a in a

couple of different ways. So here's one

example.

Not just podcast. Let's go influencers,

not just podcasters.

So Trump administration

[sighs and gasps]

crushed it in the elections in the

election cycle, right? Different

podcasts, they they really utilized the

podcast. They saw the power of it. They

utilized it and uh it was a great

tactic. And then afterwards, you know, I

think a lot of podcasters and

influencers, they felt powerful because,

you know, the they got close to the

president, they got close to the

administration. And if you saw what

happened, you know, do you remember the

ep the first Epstein file release?

>> Yes.

>> When they had all these people show up

and they're holding up the binders and

[ __ ] you know, they did not understand

that the minute that happened, they were

captured.

>> Who was

>> the everybody that was in those

pictures?

>> Oh, okay. Yeah. they can no longer be a

freethinker because maybe they are a

freethinker but the appearance that they

just gave off is that they are in a

tribe you know and they were smart to do

this and and I've had several invites I

always turn it down because no I don't I

don't know I'm not doing that

>> invites to where invites to wherever

>> the white house

>> football games the white house this that

you know public events where you'll be

seen where you'll be photographed where

it looks like everybody's on

>> one team and we're all having a party

and we're all friends and all this [ __ ]

You know, that's a way to capture what

you're doing without you even realizing

it and showing the world, hey, look, we

have we have Steven. We've got him.

We've got pictures of him holding

binders up. We've got pictures of him at

dinners with us. He's on our team. And

maybe you didn't want that, but you were

so fixated on being close to power

>> that you didn't even realize it was

happening. M. And now those those people

those people are all captured. It feels

like once in a lifetime stuff. Hey, we

want you to come, you know, ride on Air

Force One, ride on Marine One, do this,

do this with us, do this.

>> I'm not doing any of that [ __ ] I know

what this is. You're trying to capture

me and put me into a group. You know,

you can't allow that to happen.

Otherwise, you hit a ceiling. And and

the minute that happens, you've hit the

ceiling. and you don't know what kind of

decisions these people are going to wind

up making later on.

>> So that was one of the ways you can be

captured.

>> That's one of the ways you're talking

about people being inserted into the

podcast circuit.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I think there are definitely

people that are in the podcast circuit

that are planted but maybe they don't

even know

>> guests or hosts or both.

>> Probably both.

you know,

but like you said, we were talking about

it offline, but yeah, I think there are

guests that [gasps]

come out of nowhere and all of a sudden

you see these these people that nobody's

ever heard of and they get just

unfathomable traction and numbers, but

it's not because they have a good life

story. It's not because of something

miraculous that they've done. It's just

they're talking about current events,

you know, and I think the way that this

works is, you know, you could talk to

somebody for 2, three, four, five hours,

you know, but the mission, you know, the

piece of it may only be one sentence

>> that they know is going to hit

that they know, you know, they're hoping

gets clipped

>> or they can clip

>> and then that goes viral or maybe we've

done something. This has happened to me.

These people can come on and they'll

make predictions about what's going to

happen in different geopolitical uh

events that are going around the world.

You know, Ukraine, Israel, Iran,

whatever it is, you know, whatever the

thing, and then you get a text, you

know, hey, you know, I call I told you

this was going to happen. And it's like,

you did tell me. How the [ __ ] did you

know that?

>> You know, and and it's like, how do you

how do you even remember

>> Yeah.

>> that you said that? Because you did 50

shows, you know, you did 50 different

podcasts and in a two month span. How do

you remember you said that on mine?

>> Mhm.

>> And when I have things like that happen,

I'm like, "Oh,

they got me."

>> I wouldn't have believed any of this. I

wouldn't, as an ordinary civilian, I

wouldn't have believed any of this stuff

even existed. until I started learning

about the spy organizations around the

world and because I don't how do I say

this? You kind of grow up thinking the

world is as it seems and then you learn

and then you see I don't know James Bond

and you go okay that's a movie and at

some point I realized that these things

were actually true like that there are

lots of different um sort of spy

agencies and networks around the world

and they use all these operations. They

compromise people. They put them in

certain situations. There are people

living here in New York City right now

that are living lives we assume are

real. They've got families. They've got

jobs. They've got businesses. They've

got all these things. but they're

actually planted from another country

and that other country is like funneling

the money to support them and prop up a

fake life. Like when I learned all these

things, I suddenly became very cautious

generally about like calling anything a

conspiracy.

>> Mhm.

>> And then you sit here with these spies,

I mean probably you've interviewed a lot

of CIA spies. If someone had heard

someone saying this on a podcast, I

would have thought they were a

conspiracy theorist.

>> I would have dismissed it and gone

[ __ ] idiots. Now maybe from doing

this, no, no, no, no. I it makes logical

sense to me. Like if I was insert

adversary,

that's what I would do. I would get

insert great uh podcast guest. I'd get

them because I'd know that the minute

they have one good podcast performance,

every podcast calls them.

>> You can do a 100 million views off just

one good podcast performance. And can

you [clears throat] influence a podcast

performance? Can you send traffic to a

podcast? Theoretically, could you? Of

course you could.

>> I think you could.

I think that you I think that they

>> I think that they have people inside of

all the platforms that we use. Here's an

example. I started talking about a

certain subject very early on. And I'm

not going to say we got shadowbanned,

but there was a lot I'm still not even

in the top most what what is that

section in YouTube? The most popular

podcast. We're number three on Spotify

today. We've been the number one on

YouTube uh several different times, but

I can't get into the my my show will not

appear in popular podcasts because

something that I was saying a long time

ago. It was it it had to do with um

terrorism.

>> Oh, this section.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh,

>> you'll never see mine in there.

>> H

>> we get like 150 to 200 million views a

month.

It's not in there.

>> Yeah. Hey, you've got more US views this

week than Rogan has.

>> Isn't it? But anyways, so I

[clears throat] think that there are

people inside, you know, and I'm not

saying that the companies even know, you

know, cuz that's how that's how this

game works. This is the intelligence

work is, you know, is the primary job,

but the cover is, oh, I'm just an

employee at YouTube.

>> Mhm.

>> You know what I mean? Oh, I'm just an

employee at Meta. Oh, I'm just an

employee at Tik Tok. Oh, I'm just an

employee. But it's a mole inside the

organization that nobody really realizes

is happening.

>> You know, Annie Jacobson calls it uh

speculative narratives

instead of conspiracy theories.

>> Speculative narratives.

>> Speculative narratives. I love that.

>> I mean, she knows a lot about conspiracy

theories herself. I mean, she's like

basically studied and proven a lot of

them aren't conspiracies. So, I'm

guessing she she's saying that in a way

that is supportive of the idea that

these speculative narratives are often

true.

>> Mhm. I'm not complaining. I have a great

I have a great partnership with YouTube.

I love they've been great to me. You

know what I mean? I don't really give a

[ __ ] if I'm in that or not. I just find

it very odd that we're not,

>> you know? [laughter]

It's just like, well, this doesn't make

much sense. I think with all platforms

there is there's a there's a human

element where there's someone at the

office picking.

>> Mhm.

>> I mean that's the case with all it seems

to be the case with all these platforms.

Did you endorse Trump before he before

the election?

>> I was supportive of him. I wanted him to

win. I don't think I gave any official

endorsements or anything. I did get put

in that that sphere. What nobody

remembers is I've I offered the

Democratic party I mean you can look it

up. I think it's on the Washington Post

and we were talking to Kamla's team. I

wanted to have her on. I wanted to have

everybody on.

>> So they said no. Comma Harris's team

said no.

>> They said no. But it wasn't just a hard

note. We were talking about it. We were

coming up with an outline. They I had

all these things that I wanted to talk

about. They said, "Well, we don't want

to talk about that. We don't want to." I

said, "I'll tell you what. You guys just

tell me what you I don't care what you

want to talk about. I know I can hold my

own. So you you give me the topics and

I'll develop the outline. How about

that?

>> And when Trump came on, was there

anything he didn't want to talk about?

>> There were no guidelines.

>> I think this should be a little bit of a

sort of a a lesson for the Democratic

party about how to navigate in this

these environments.

>> Yeah, they're learning.

>> When Kamala came on my show, which was

after the election and after she'd lost

and all that stuff, no guidelines.

>> Oh, really?

>> Is there? That's good.

>> She didn't tell me there was anything I

couldn't talk about, but I think at that

point she had they had nothing to lose.

I actually think at that point she

didn't even have the same team anymore.

>> That's good. She came in, she was, in my

view, she was honest. She She said Joe

Biden kind of screwed me over. She was

swearing.

>> She There was none of this sort of like

cookie cutter polish politician

[ __ ] She just was super relaxed.

>> That's good.

>> And I just wish you'd offered that side

of her to shows like yours beforehand

cuz it would have been good to see the

comparison. Yeah, that's what I wanted

to do, you know, and uh I I had RFK on

when he was still running as an

independent, but yeah, we we got very

close to Camala and then at the last

minute uh they backed out. I wish it

would have happened. I don't think it

would have changed the outcome, but um

but I wish it would have happened.

>> Have you changed your opinion on Trump

now?

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Really?

>> Yeah.

>> Why?

>> Oh, man. for just for a multitude of

reasons. I'm just, you know, to put it

plainly, I'm I'm not really [sighs]

happy about anything that's happening

right now. I think he's totally gone

against what he said he was going to do.

And what do you think? Are you happy?

>> I'm not an American, so I tend to like

try and you know, but I think I mean,

one of the things I think a lot about is

this situation in Iran and um how much

of a blunder that appears to be. I you

know I don't know a ton about the

military or war or conflict but

logically I can't reason my way out of

that situation like I can't find a good

outcome at this point to what's going on

there and because you have been a

service person you served served for

America I was curious to get your

perspective on what you think is going

on there and do you see a a golden

bridge or a positive outcome?

>> No.

>> No. I I don't at this point I I don't I

don't know what's going on there

anymore. Nothing seems to make any damn

sense to me. I don't think there's any

positive outcome for America.

>> When you talk to your former colleagues

in the military, what's the general

sentiment around the deployment and the

situation there?

>> They think that they are involved for

for another country's uh interests.

>> Whose interests is it for? I think

Israel probably has the majority of the

interest here.

>> I sat with JD Vance. He said that, you

know, we're the he said we're the we're

the senior partner, but it sounds like

your colleagues are saying that maybe

that's not necessarily the case.

>> It doesn't seem like that's the case to

me.

>> Did you buy the narrative that Trump

invaded or started the war for reasons

related to nuclear weapons?

>> No.

>> No. What do you think the real reason

is, Sean?

>> I don't know. You know, anything I say

would just be speculative, but I don't

think they're for our interests.

>> And so, why would Trump be sucked into

doing something for a non-American

country's interests?

>> That's a great question. I don't know

the answer to.

>> Do you think America would have be

better off if the Democrats had won? I

think that

these are

seemingly more and more to be one and

the same.

>> And this is why you're sort of

retracting from politics is because

you're sort of you sounded like you're a

bit disillusioned by one of these

candidates. Yeah, I've had I mean it

just

pretty much every one of them that I've

had on has just slied straight to my

face

>> really until everybody who watches. You

know what I'm interested in is is I

think that there is a possibility that

maybe it's already happened but I think

that there's a possibility that America

uh may no longer be the superpower or

will not be shortly for a multitude of

reasons. I mean, if you look at, you

know, the the power that that China's

power structure, nuclear, they're going

nuclear, and we're still batting around

this [ __ ] here in America. Should we go

nuclear? What are we going to do about

our power grid? And the petro dollar. I

mean, you've had um what's that guy's

name? He does a great breakdown on it.

Professor

the game theory guy.

>> Yeah. Professor Chung.

>> Yeah. He does a great breakdown of it.

And I I mean when you think about it,

it's like holy [ __ ] And and you think

about everybody that we've pissed off,

you know, in America. I mean like Canada

for example,

>> you know, they wanted to pipe in uh what

is the Keystone pipeline. Biden said no.

They don't want to.

>> Trump says so they start to make deals

with other countries, China.

[sighs and gasps] Now Trump is

penalizing him for it. I can't remember

the exact uh tariffs, but it went from

somewhere around 25% to 50% to 100% or

you know, whatever. But we're penalizing

them and it's like [ __ ] man. 4 years

ago or less. They wanted to pipe it in.

Now we got this new guy. He want And now

we're going to penalize him because

they're not going to pipe it in. And

they're looking at us like, "These

people are [ __ ] crazy. They're like

dealing with a schizophrenic. How do you

do business with that? I mean, as a

business owner, as an entrepreneur, you

can't do business with with with an

entity like that. You can't. And I think

the whole world is is seeing this, you

know, because it's happening to damn

near the whole world

except one country, Israel.

But everybody else, you know, we're

destroying our relationships with and

and yeah, does does the US, you know,

put in the majority of the money and

take the, you know, like put in the

majority of the risk, you know, with a

lot of the things? Yes, we do. But we

still need allies, you know, and and you

can't just [ __ ]

and ruin everybody's trade

infrastructure and oil trade and and and

and penalize people for

making changes for some for something

that they tried to do earlier, you know,

with you and and it's happening all over

the world. And so one of the things that

I'm interested in uh that I'm looking

for is I want to start talking to

starting with the UK. I want to talk

about when you know what did it look

like for the UK when when the US took

the the superpower ship you know back in

World War II. What did that actually

look like? Because all we hear is all

this doom and gloom and you know oh you

know it's going to be lawless. It's

going to you know our currency is going

to go to zero. Look that that all might

happen. It might. I don't know. I'm not.

But it might be. Maybe it's I don't

know. Maybe it's a good thing. Was it

that bad in the UK when So, I want to

bring on a historian to actually find

out what what exactly did that look

like. I'll tell you one thing. If we do

lose it, it's going to take a lot of

these a lot of pack money, you know, out

of US politics. is going to, you know,

hopefully force politicians to actually

look at our country

and and concentrate on our country. You

know, another thing I want to do, I I I

probably shouldn't even be saying this.

I want to do a thing called 50 states in

50 days where you go to the poorest

parts of each state and just film it and

look at this [ __ ] Look at this [ __ ]

Why are we sending all of our money to

all of these other foreign countries

when this [ __ ] is happening right here

in New York? Tomorrow we're going to be

in New Jersey and the next day we're

going to be in Wisconsin. And then we're

going to go to California, Alabama,

Mississippi, Florida, every single

state, and just show how much poverty

and how disgusting certain parts of this

country are. And why the [ __ ] are we

sending all of our money to all these

foreign countries?

instead of taking care of our own

people. It's disgusting.

Our politicians have totally abandoned

us. They're just

they're runaways.

And then I want to call out every single

senator, congressman, governor, and just

look at this. This is your state. This

is your state. This is the state that

you represent, and this [ __ ] is

happening all around you. Look at this.

H there's both I guess a disrespect

here at home but there's also as you

point it like a disrespect of allies and

you know you can put the tariff there

and whatever but I think one of the

things that made the US the superpower

that it is still but you know that's

increasingly in question is there was

this sort of peace by strength or

whatever the phrase is

>> like you're strong because you never

really have to like say you are you

don't act like a bully

>> but we just know [clears throat] you're

strong and then the minute you start

acting like a bully, we start going, is

that strength or is that insecurity?

>> You know, this the minute you start

insulting countries and being rude about

their leaders and saying that I don't

know, Canada is the 52nd state or

whatever Trump said, that's when it

starts to look a little bit more like

insecurity.

>> And also, that's when I think some of

these nations go, [ __ ] like maybe we

need to band together ourselves instead

of banding together with the United

States. And I think you're seeing that

in Europe now with what's going on with

Iran. The European leaders are now

coming back together and saying, "Fuck,

like we might not be as safe as we

thought we were um with in the US's, you

know, with the US's leadership. And so

we need to form a new type of

leadership." It's it's it's an interest

really interesting time. And you know

what? One might say that China are

playing it very smart, not making

enemies with anybody. That calm

strength.

>> They don't need to do anything. They're

watching us self-destruct right now. in

real time.

>> Do you care about the 2028 election? Are

you going to get involved in it if the

politicians will want to come back on

your show?

>> I don't know. I mean, [sighs]

it depends. Right now, I think probably

not. If there were to be some type of a

third party, then I would probably get

involved.

But right now, uh, with what I see, I

just don't really see any strong

candidates. You mentioned you had

someone on your podcast called Blair

>> who said something which was slightly

suspicious to you.

>> Blair Skoro.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I think that ICE got him and

they're trying to deport him out of the

country or something. We got an email

about it, which if he was uh an asset,

actually did all that stuff for us,

which, you know, I think he did.

>> What happened?

>> I guess I I don't know the full scope. I

just know that uh he got wrapped up by

ICE and it sounds like they're going to

deport him and that he's worried that if

they deport him that he's going to be

killed. Apparently ICE doesn't care

about that. But [snorts and gasps]

yeah, you know, he came on and we were

talking about it was a life story

basically in a nutshell. He came on and

he was a he got recruited out of prison

to infiltrate the Islamic terrorist

cells, the Muslim Brotherhood.

>> He's an American. He is from uh I can't

remember uh eastern block country. He

was able to infiltrate all these uh like

huge like terrorist cells that had huge

weapons cachets and he would go and and

he was a CIA asset and he would go and

and do the deal and then all of that

those caches would get shipped to

another country where it would and then

it would be in CIA's hands. And so we

had this we long conversation about this

and then all of a sudden he starts

talking about uh Russians

getting nukes into the US and it was

just so out of left field. It made me

think,

you know, I just said earlier, you know,

you you could talk to somebody for two,

three, four, five, six, however many

hours and maybe they just need one thing

inserted into the podcast, you know, to

start a new narrative or to reinforce a

current narrative. You know, there's a

big back then, still is today, you know,

big narrative. We we all need to we all

need to hate Russia. Maybe we do, maybe

we don't. I'm not saying either way, but

you know, for us to be talking about the

global war on terror and his time is a

CIA asset infiltrating terrorist

networks and and and derailing massive

weapons caches back to uh wherever they

were going, you know, and then all of a

sudden for him to talk about the

Russians

bringing in nuclear warheads or whatever

it was into the US, it was like and I

think I challenged him right on the show

and I said, "You know, how do I know

that you weren't sent here just to put

that one sentence into the show? That

came out of left field.

That doesn't fit anywhere with any

conversation that we've been talking

about."

>> What did he say?

>> He was, you know, taken back. I don't

remember exactly what he said. You could

probably find the clip somewhere, but

that's that's how it happens. That's how

it happens. I'm not saying that he is or

isn't one. I'm saying that's what it

looks like when it happens. And your gut

sometimes tells you that you're

interviewing someone who is probably

still working on behalf of an agency.

>> Uhhuh.

>> Do you delete a lot of episodes?

>> No. I've had I've had episodes that I

didn't delete or that I never aired.

I've had I don't know, not very many,

but I've had a handful. You know

>> what is the reason typically?

Well, one time I had a guy come on. This

was about the COVID vaccine. And he

comes on and and he's talking about how

the COVID vaccine was was developed in a

lab and was patented way before CO even

came out. And it it was very compelling

and I didn't really think about it until

afterwards. But afterwards when I was

thinking about the interviews, some of

these interviews I'll think about all

weekend or you know days to weeks

sometimes after they happen. I mean it

sounded super compelling and maybe it

was real. I don't know. But every time

he would it was co 19 co. But then when

he would say he wouldn't say the covid

vaccine was patented prior to

2020 he would say the sars vaccine was

patented prior to you know so but but

the narrative was the covid-19 vaccine

was

patented long before co 19 ever even

came out. But like I said, he would

switch it. He would switch. We would be

saying co CO, but then he would say the

SARS vaccine. And so he left and I was

like, I mean, there's got to be like a

million different there's there's like

thousands of variations of SARS and CO.

And so why did he keep switching it? Why

didn't he just say the COVID 19 vaccine?

Why did he switch it to SARS? And so

that that clicked and I was it just made

me think maybe this isn't factual and I

don't want to you know I've done

speculative narrative interviews lots of

them but I

once again we were talking earlier you

know we have an audiences of millions

and millions and millions of people and

I don't want to put something out that's

not factual and then have somebody make

an important medical decision based on

>> Yeah. based on [ __ ] and I just

didn't want to gamble that. So I never I

never released the episode and I'd

talked to lots of doctors and you it was

a it was a charged subject, you know, at

the time and so I didn't like the vax. I

took it but I regret it but but

whatever. You know what I mean? It

doesn't matter. I didn't want anybody

making that type of a I know that people

trust me. I I couldn't live with myself

if I found out that guy was totally full

of [ __ ] feeding feeding a [ __ ]

narrative for whatever.

>> And then you got people, you know,

either taking it or not taking it based

off what he said. So I never aired that.

You know, I've had another guy

I had I was interested in a lot of the

stuff going on in the World Economic

Forum and and I had this guy that I

thought was an expert on the World

Economic Forum come on and he couldn't

even tell me what it was. I was like,

"Well, what is it? Is it a business? Is

it a nonpr What is it?" He couldn't even

tell me. And then he would just start

talking about all this conspiracy [ __ ]

and I'm like, "Look, if you can't even

tell me what it is, like you really have

no business being here." So, let's just

end the interview right now.

>> And recently, I had one where [sighs]

this woman on supposedly she worked for

the agency. Then when I started talking

about agency stuff, of course,

everything's classified. So, we hide

behind the classification system. And

the only thing she wanted to talk about

was like the polygraph. And I'm like,

for the polygraph? Who gives a [ __ ]

about the polygraph? Like, everybody in

there has to take a polygraph. Why are

we talking about the Is this like

something that you researched really

hard on what a polygraph's like? So to

make yourself sound legitimate because

you're not talking about anything else

>> and you know something that may be

classified that they don't want out is

how to defeat a polygraph. So and that

was within the past couple months and

you know we we ended that one pretty

quickly and I think she knew exactly

this. So, we'll never release that one.

But I don't care. You know what I mean?

I just I don't want to knowingly put

things that are [ __ ] out there. I

mean, it's going to happen. We're going

to make mistakes. I've made mistakes.

But, you know, knowingly, just for

views,

nah, I have no interest in that.

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And then once you did your stint um

through the sort of security era of your

life and through the after your CIA

contracting role at 34, you moved to

Medigene, Colombia and spent two years

with taking out drinking alcohol. Yeah,

I started in Cardahana and uh ultimately

just decided I'm going to camp out in

Medigene.

>> Did you get involved in the the drug

dealing networks while you were there?

>> Yes, I did.

>> How do you categorize this season of

your life in Colombia? Because before

then you, you know, you're a SEAL,

you're doing contracting work with the

CIA, and then it appears that in this

season of your life, when I look at it

from sort of a bird's eye view, that it

represents instability.

I think what it represents is, you know,

just talked about addiction to

adrenaline. Yeah. And I wasn't getting

that adrenaline anywhere. And, you know,

I would be in the States and it was

boring to me. You know, it was it was it

was boring going to the bar and that

life just it had no appeal to me. It was

boring. And then on top of that, I was

tired of listening to everyday average

Americans talk about the war, give their

opinions on what we should be doing when

none of them have done anything. It just

didn't sit well with me. So that's why,

you know, when I said I went down to I I

didn't want to hear English. I didn't

want to hear people asking me for my

opinions. I didn't want to hear their

opinions. I don't think their opinions

mattered. I didn't think that at the

time anyways. And so I went down there

and it became like a game to me. It

wasn't the dealing. I never really

dealed uh dealt. It was more setting up

the network that gave me the rush and

infiltrating networks and figuring out

who the players are and all that and

being able to insert myself into the

middle of all of that. You know, in

retrospect, it it was probably the most

dangerous thing I'd ever done. Uh I

didn't care. you know, I just I I didn't

really have any value for my own life. I

wouldn't say I was suicidal at the time,

but I just I was in it for for the

thrill. And to me, there was nothing

else that was going to give me a thrill,

a bigger thrill than that. And I figured

if if this gets boring, then I'll

probably just die down here.

>> I'll probably just die down here.

>> Yeah.

I mean, it sounds like you came pretty

close to getting in significant trouble.

At one point, your apartment was bugged

by the police.

>> Yep. Yep. I uh

I had come home and I was probably I did

I did a lot of a lot of drugs down

there, a lot of cocaine. And I don't

know, I was on three, four, maybe a five

day bender.

And there was this bridge down there

that was called in in this area called

Bario Antio. I don't know what it's like

now, but back then you couldn't you

couldn't get in there. You couldn't get

a taxi to drive you in there. You

couldn't get in there without going

through several police checkpoints.

Um, but that's where the cheapest and

best coke was and that's where all the

the players are. It's all it's all

coming out of that specific

neighborhood. And I used to go in there

for a thrill and and

like go up the chain, go up the dealer

chain, find whose boss is whose boss is

whose boss. Anyways, I went down there

uh with a bunch of girls and uh we went

to this bridge called the Poente de los

Locos and it was all these

[clears throat] it was like a homeless

camp and

of just

insane people and I went down there with

a huge stack of cash

and just threw the money up in the air

cuz I wanted to see what would happen.

Of course, they all got up and it was

like a mad dash

and we almost didn't get out of there uh

cuz they had surrounded and there was

hundreds of people. And so we we we

wound up getting out of there and in a

car and we got back to my building where

I was staying at my penthouse.

And one thing I always did was I always

took care of the door man at the

building. you know, all the security

guys that the the door man, they control

who comes in and out, they can inform

you if people are hanging around that,

you know, maybe shouldn't be, people are

looking for me. And so I built that was

part of my network, you know, was taking

care of them. And so I anything I got,

if I got Coke, they got Coke. If I got

booze, they got booze. If I went clothes

shopping, they got clothes. If I got

groceries, they got groceries. They

always got tipped. They, you know, when

I was leaving, I would give them a bunch

of my clothes. like I just always took

care of those guys. And I came back and

uh this guy, his name was Freddy, and he

said that uh the police were after me.

One thing being a foreigner in Colombia,

it's almost like a sin for them not to

try to take advantage of you. And I had

built a lot of trust with with Freddy.

He was my favorite uh guy.

And I was pissed. And I started yelling

at him like, "Man, I I give you like all

kinds of stuff. Like, why would you lie

to me to try to get more out of me? I I

I always take care of you." And he said,

"I'm not doing that." He said, "They

came by and they wanted uh they wanted

copies of your passport. They wanted to

know where you came from, who you are,

who you work with, all these things."

And I was I just thought he was full of

[ __ ] And he said, "Look," he said,

[clears throat] "they told me that they

have pictures of you throwing money up

at a bridge in Bario, Antioquia,

and that was we had just come from

there." And so I was like, "Oh [ __ ] he

is not lying." [sighs]

And what he was telling me was that

they had

supposedly planted a bug in the light

fixture outside of my door and that they

had set up a observation point in a

building across from me. And so I went

up and scrubbed myself of everything. uh

kind of scanned around to see if I could

pick up, you know, who was who was

looking at me, who was watching. I'm

pretty sure I saw it and got rid of

everything. Got rid of all the coke. Got

rid of everything. And then uh I did a

SDR to a couple of different internet

cafes.

>> An SDR.

>> An SDR. That's a surveillance detection

route.

>> Okay. and uh it's it's it's it's a route

that you develop to to figure out if

you're being followed or not. So, I did

that. Didn't pick anything up. [sighs]

Bought a couple of different tickets to

different places and um was out of there

within 12 hours, never to go back.

>> And when you got back to the United

States, presumably, had you changed? Was

that was that enough of a close call for

you to give up the the cocaine and the

habits that you had at the time?

>> No.

>> No.

>> I tried I I had cleaned it up a lot. I

had cleaned it up a lot, but I went I

started getting bored and so I did a

couple of trips uh a trip or two maybe

to Panama. Panama was a lot tamer than

Colombia, but it's just as easy to get

in the middle of it. And then I did one

to Costa Rica. And then I I can't

remember exactly how many. I had gone a

lot of different places. I went to

Honduras. I went to San Pedro Sula

because it was uh it was literally the

do most dangerous place on the planet at

the time. So I wanted to go there and

feed my adrenaline. I had toned it down

a lot, but um

but I didn't clean it up 100%.

What was the turning point for you in

that season of your life?

>> There were a lot of turning points. One

turning point that made me clean it up

quite a bit was uh my best friend

uh was was leaving contracting and and

he had a horrible addiction to opiates.

And so he became my purpose. He became

my purpose. I wanted to help clean him

up. And so in order to clean him up, I

had to clean myself up.

And um

I think we made a lot of headway.

Ultimately he did uh succumb to his

addiction uh years later. But that was a

turning point. And in in the middle of

that journey, I met this uh I had

started my therapy myself.

>> What was the catalyst for you to go to

therapy?

I just knew I

I needed something and I had to

set an example for my friend like I'm

doing it so you should do it too.

>> There was this call on Mother's Day as

well which I've heard you talk about.

>> That was in Colombia.

>> That was it while you were in Colia.

>> That was while I was in Colombia.

>> What was that phone call?

>> That was a

I always thought I was oding down there.

like my ankles would swell up, you know,

from lack of blood circulation

and that would freak me out and lots of,

you know, things. And and I remember my

friend told me early on, he said, "You

don't you don't have to worry about

Odian on Coke until

things start to slow down. If you're on

speed

and then everything seems slow, that's

when you're riding the edge. And so that

started happening. I realized it was

Mother's Day once and I I called my my

mom in the middle of that cuz I thought

it was going to be my last day alive.

And um

so that's yeah, that's

that that was a realization point.

>> And then you found this therapist. And

then I found this therapist.

>> Was that a challenge to go to a

therapist? You know, there's there's a

lot of stigma associated to with going

to therapy, especially at that time.

>> Yeah, I mean, it was definitely a blow

to my ego, but at the same time, you

know, I didn't really have any friends.

Most of my friends were still

operational at the time, and I didn't

have any friends where I lived in

Florida. And so, nobody really knew me,

and I didn't have anything else to do. I

was like, "What the hell?" You know, I

might as well try this. And it did help.

It helped a lot.

How did it help?

>> You know, I think

it's amazing how many of your own

problems you'll work out yourself in

your head just by telling somebody who

has a, you know, seemingly unbiased

opinion, you know, just with a couple of

a couple of questions. Kind of like how

both you and I interview. you don't say

much and people just spill it. Yeah.

>> And that you can see them working things

out in their head as they go along.

>> For me, that's what therapy was. And

it's also

somebody that can hold you accountable,

you know, for for different things. And

around that time, you did I began

treatment, which I'm somewhat familiar

with just after that time because I

worked in psychedelics for a couple of

years. Well, a year while

>> you worked with psychedelics.

>> I worked in psychedelics in the

industry. Um, okay. And I just when I

was between leaving my first company and

really starting this podcast, I did a

year in working in a psychedelics

business.

>> Interesting.

>> That was focused on mental health. So

Ibegan was one of the uh therapies that

I came across and studied and saw the

huge efficacy around addiction. But I've

actually never met anybody that did IEN.

But I remember at the time when I was

working in psychedelics, they they told

me that there was this thing called

Iberane you could take. It was quite a

intense treatment, quite a long

treatment. But there are several cases

where people do one dose of ibeane in a

therapeutic setting and their addiction

is cured. That's what I was told and I

was like this is crazy.

And you you you did I gain right?

>> I did I gain done twice now.

>> Oh wow.

>> And yeah the first time was amazing. I

went down there actually that was

actually after I'd started the podcast.

I have a feeling we're very similar. you

probably wrap your entire life up into

what you're doing. And we were having I

had a a six-month-old at the time, my

son. And I wasn't present with him

because my mind was always in business.

It's just all I thought about was

business, business, business, the

podcast, business. I needed something to

just to slow my mind, you know, so that

I could be in the moment and actually be

present with my with my wife and with my

son. You know, at the time I had kicked

I kicked a lot of things. I wasn't

drinking hard alcohol anymore. I I was I

mean, I was still on there was no coke

for a long time before that, but there

was still some pharmaceutical meds that

I would um dabble in sleeping meds, but

I went down there to be in the moment.

That was it. like like help me

compartmentalize or manage business

stress because so many opportunities are

coming and if you you know the deal you

feel it's like do I need to do all these

opportunities are these all

opportunities all good for whatever am I

a fool if I turn this down and I went

down there for that and when I came out

of it had no interest in drinking again

I quit all the sleep medications I had

quit the aderall and it was effortless

>> it was effortless and I was able to be

present uh with my wife and son.

>> And where do you find yourself today as

it relates to alcohol, the substances

we've talked about, and your mental

health?

>> I've never been better. You know, I

haven't had a drop in over 4 years. I

don't take sleeping medications. I don't

take Adderall. I don't I have I actually

have no vices.

None. And then I went to do it again and

uh the next one didn't didn't work out

so well for me.

>> The next I gain journey.

>> Yeah.

>> Was this recently?

>> This was about I guess about 3 months

ago now.

>> And this is the one where I saw on your

show you said you you think you visited

hell.

>> Yeah. Yes, that would be the one. So,

for anyone that doesn't know what

Iberane is and what the journey is like,

is it a drink that you take and then

it's sort of like a 12-hour?

>> For me, it was a pill.

>> It was a pill.

>> It's from a group in I think Gabone,

Africa.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. They they they say it's the most

powerful psychedelic you can do.

>> And I believe it that and and and then

uh at this particular place, you do 5

MAO DMT a day after uh your I gain

journey. And it's some extremely

powerful stuff.

>> Has it changed you

>> that second?

>> Yes.

It's changed a lot of things.

>> I saw you had uh Dr. Huber been on.

Yeah. You know, the other day he was

talking about his faith and all that

stuff and and I'm on my faith journey as

well. And but you know, one thing is

when it comes to psychedelics

is I've done Ibis Gain twice. I've done

psilocybin a handful of times. I've done

5 MO a handful of times. And I got so

much out of the first one and I had a

very healthy respect. You know, I really

prepare for them. And then I forced

myself to kind of get looser with it. uh

because I I saw all these other people

doing it and and I would get these

answers to things, you know, really

tough business decisions or or something

that, you know, might seem really uh

beneficial to you, but you don't

understand why it's happening or you

think there you think there might be

something else behind it. You know, I

would do maybe a psilocybin journey and

think on that and and it would be like

everything became clear like all of it.

You could see what the motivations are

behind the person that wants to do

business with you. You could see the

thing over here that's going to happen

if you if you take that that step and

and commit or maybe you see what happens

if you don't. It would be like problem

solved, you know, and this has happened

multiple times and not just with

business, with family, with

relationships, with with friends. You

would be able to piece together uh these

super complex problems and and and and

it would make sense and I believe it was

real. But also at the same time, I

believe that, and I always have, I

believe that you are

potentially

[sighs]

opening yourself up to a spiritual realm

that maybe [clears throat]

we should not have access to. And that's

something that I always took very

seriously. Even when I did loosen up, I

would always pray before it. And as my

journey through Christianity became

stronger and stronger, I would take it

more and more seriously. you know, the

praying before and during

[snorts and sighs]

and

which led up to this last one, which

was, "Yeah, I thought I think I saw

hell. I know I did."

>> You know, you saw hell.

>> Yeah.

>> Give me some context on how how one

would know that was hell and and if you

can at all. I know it's difficult to

sort of say these things in human words,

but like what was it?

>> It was total

emptiness.

When I say I saw, I didn't see fire. I

didn't see any of that. And and where I

really felt it was in the five MAO

experience. And there was nothing. It

was

the most amount of fear that I had ever

felt in my life. It was the most amount

of anxiety I'd ever felt in my life.

There was no God. There was no Christ.

There was [sighs and gasps]

and it felt like eternity and this went

on for an hour and a halfish.

It felt like I was going through the

most intense exorcism you could ever

imagine. That's what it felt like. And

[sighs]

it felt like things were trying to maybe

leave. Maybe not trying, maybe I was

trying to get these things out and they

wouldn't leave. But it felt like

abandonment. It it it it's it's the most

horrific feeling you could ever even

imagine. And it was more real than

anything I've experienced in in in real

life.

>> What could you see

>> in this specific experience? I couldn't

see anything.

>> Okay.

>> I mean, my body was contorted. It was

doing things that the human body

shouldn't do. There was a a friend of

mine with me. Told him I didn't want him

to come down when I did it. And uh I

talked I didn't want to talk to anybody

for weeks after this except my wife, a

guy that um is a spiritual mentor of

mine and some priests.

And uh but I I so I called him several

weeks. He kept checking on me and he

said, "Man," he goes, "I know you told

me not to go down there, but he goes,

"When I heard uh you down there,"

he he said, "I didn't know if you were

hurting people. I didn't know what I

didn't." He's like, "I had I just felt

like I had to check." And he goes, "I

peered around the the the stairwell."

He just said, "I've I've I've never seen

a human body doing what you were doing."

And this is a Mars

GWAD veteran who has

seen it all in the Marine Corps. I've

seen horrific [ __ ] It was a It was a

really bad experience.

>> What do you think it was? Because some,

you know, people say you had a

psychedelic experience, but you think it

was something more than just a

psychedelic hallucination, per se.

>> Yeah, I think it's what I told you. I

think that when you dabble in

psychedelics,

there can be benefits.

And I also think that there are you are

opening yourself up to a realm that we

were never supposed to have access to

spiritually.

And I think

that you are

naked in a world that you or I or nobody

living today truly understands.

And with that comes

I mean you're just you're at a

vulnerable point that things can can

access you that and you can access them.

And from what I saw from watching your

videos over the last couple of weeks,

your life has been different ever since.

>> Mhm. It's been different. All right.

It's been

dark.

>> Really?

>> Yeah.

It gets better. It's been a lot of

supernatural things. Things that I just

I mean, I can't even believe I'm saying

I I talk about some of this stuff, but

it's it is real. And uh

I don't really care what anybody thinks

about me, but it has been supernatural

things that have happened. It has been

nightmares. It has been very odd

coincidences,

uh synchronicities,

um

lots of that kind of stuff. And you know

what it's all done, it is it has drawn

me much much much closer to Christ.

I heard you describe that some

supernatural things that were going on

in your physical environment,

>> but you know, I think you one of the

videos I was watching maybe a week ago,

you said that things were like falling

off the walls in your house.

>> Not in my house.

>> Not in your house, in other places.

>> Mhm.

>> Your use of the word dark is really

fascinating to me. Is the darkness

because of the nightmares or is it

because of your mental state or is it

something else?

>> The darkness is because of all of it

together. So, I'll I'll give you a I

don't want to talk too long on this uh

to be honest with you, but I'll give you

the example of the picture frames coming

off the wall.

>> So, I was in Maine.

I did a podcast up there

>> and I was at my in-laws house and I had

been put on this uh I mean, it's no

secret. I I had done some exorcisms now

uh with two different priests who've

also been spiritual mentors of mine.

>> [snorts]

>> And I went up there and I I've been I I

kept having these nightmares, these

these reoccurring nightmares, different

scenarios, but it would it would destroy

my family. I'm sure you've had dreams

like this. You wake up and it takes you

a couple minutes to realize it was just

a dream.

Well, I kept having these.

And what all this has done has drawn me

further into Catholicism. I grew up

Catholic, fell away from it. Now I'm

back in because I think they're some of

the only ones that have an understanding

of this realm. [sighs and gasps]

And I've been thinking about having this

bishop on from the Catholic Church.

And

I had had this dream where

he kept uh kind of like we were about to

do the podcast

and he kept like sending me these like

cryptic

homosexual messages like he wanted to

get with me or something. This was in my

dream and it was just making me furious

and and it made me hate the Catholic

Church. made me hate it. I woke up from

it. I was like, [gasps]

I don't want to be a part of this

anymore. This is disgusting. Why, you

know, it was vivid dream. And uh but it

was all Yeah, I never met him. And then

I still have never met him. And and but

I I I just kept getting, you know, it

was it was vivid. It was like what?

We're coming here to do the podcast to

talk about the So I wake up. These

priests had put me on this uh prayer

regimen. It's called the Libra Cristo

method. And so you say it at 6:00 a.m.

12 uh p.m. 6:00 p.m. So I go out, I kind

of shake it off and I'm like, "All

right, I'm going to go out and I'm going

to start my prayer regimen." And so I

start the prayer regimen. And in the

middle of it, I start the St. Michael's

prayer and a picture frame flies off the

wall.

And I'm like, "Holy shit." All right. I

just had this weird dream that makes me

hate Catholicism.

Now I'm doing this prayer and this

picture frame flies off the wall and

then it's Sunday. So then I'm going to

mass. So I go to mass

and I'm with this guy uh we'll call him

Hendo and uh he he he protects me,

protects my family and has turned into a

spiritual mentor of mine and a good

friend. And we're going to mass together

and I'm telling him about these things

that are happening

and he knows all the prior stuff. whole

bunch of stuff had had happened prior to

this too. And we get into mass and and

uh I go and I take communion and

immediately after I took communion I had

an allergic reaction like immediately.

And so this is all I think we went to

8:00 mass. So this is all within about 2

hours from end of the dream to the

prayer to now we're at mass maybe 7:00

a.m. I don't know. So, I go up, I take

communion,

come back. I'm kneeling down. My face

feels like it's on fire. And he looks at

me and and he's like, "What?" He's like,

"What? What's wrong with you?" And I'm

like, "Is my face is my face red?" And

he's like, "Yeah." He's like, "Your He's

like, "Your veins are like popping out

in your forehead and you look like a

tomato."

I'm like, "Man, my face feels like

really hot. I'm having a [gasps] I think

I'm having a reaction to communion and I

mean this is like seconds after I it's

not even enough time for an allergic

reaction to happen. and it happened

seconds afterwards. And so, you know,

it's these weird And right before that,

I had told him we had we had got there a

little early and I was like, you it's so

weird cuz these things seem to happen in

like

>> in sequences.

And I was like, it's just like one after

the next and then nothing happened for a

while and then we went into mass and

bam, there it is.

That kind of stuff has been happening to

me for 3 months now. Ever since that,

>> ever since that

>> I guess the outstanding question I have

is there's this experience you had three

months ago. There's these experiences

you've had thereafter and like what is I

guess the audience will be thinking like

what is the conclusion of this?

>> It's really interesting because I've

I've done I've been a huge proponent for

the psychedelic community and and all

the good that it's done. But the minute

you do something and you say something

negative about it

>> pisses everybody off. They they don't

want you to talk about it. How dare you?

You know, and and it's

there's two sides to it. And people need

to know that. You know what I mean? And

make their own decisions. Like it's not

all good. I just I just prove that, you

know, and and do I know what it is? No.

Do I know for certain that it came from

psychedelics? I'm not saying that it did

come from psychedelics. That seemed to

be the trigger point, but it kind of

appears to me like I'm the only one

that's willing to talk about both sides

because people are really upset, you

know, that I'm talking about what

happened to me, my journey. And um like

I said, I think that

it opens you up to a forbidden realm

that we maybe we shouldn't have access

to. I mean, a lot of people say, you

know, it lifts the veil. Yeah, it lifts

the veil. All right. But maybe we have

that veil over us for a reason.

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Subsequently, you've had several

exorcisms, which you've talked about

over on your show. What is an exorcism?

Cuz many of us only know a movie called

The Exorcist, and that's only sort of

reference point for an exorcism, but I

from what I understand, it's a priest

that does a sort of a process on you

with the intent of removing something

that is demonic. Is that broadly what

happens?

>> Yeah. the movies, you know, are are very

extreme to compare to to in comparison

to what I've been through. I didn't, you

know, do a backwards spider crawl up a

wall or or anything uh even close to

that. But and and I don't really want to

go too far into it cuz I'm I'm still in

this process.

>> To my knowledge, there are two types. Uh

there are possession which is where

you're not

really in control of your body and your

mind and then there is oppression

which is things start happening around

you and it could be

all the things that we just talked

about. It could be financial. It could

be health. It could be trying to destroy

your family. It could be trying to

destroy your faith. It could be all of

that, you know, but it's not. But you're

still in control of your mind and your

body. And so [snorts]

from the from the the the priests that

I've talked to, they all think that it

is oppression,

>> oppression, not possession.

>> What is it? I mean it is uh it's a

series of prayers. They try to figure

out what it is. I don't know exactly

everything that they're doing. Some of

them have been done in Latin. Uh some of

them have been done in English. One of

the commonalities seem to be, hey, we're

going to do a series of these. And we

want to see if we get any reactions um

to certain prayers or certain parts of

prayers. And if we do see a reaction to

a certain part, then we can eliminate

certain things and and and and

kind of dial in on on what we think

exactly is going on.

>> And you are right in the middle of this

at the moment.

>> Yeah.

>> How has it been for your family, for

Katie?

>> I mean, it's it's it's been rough.

>> Brilliant.

>> Yeah. I mean, imagine uh coming home to

your wife and kids and saying, you know,

just being honest. I just got done with

my fifth exorcism today.

>> Yeah.

>> And then thinking about the things that

are going through their head because,

you know, you think about, you know,

what goes through your head? Exactly

what you said, the movies,

>> you know, what is he what like is he in

control of his own mind? What is going

to happen? And I have the same

questions. How bad is this going to get?

What's going to happen next? Is this is

this is this ever going to go away? Is

this just mine to carry for the rest of

my life? What does my wife think? What

does she think when she goes to bed next

to me every night?

>> Does she think I'm I'm I'm a crazy

person?

>> I was just imagining my fiance's she

actually I think it's probably one of

the first time she's ever been here, but

she just happens to be here today. She's

in one of the other rooms and I was just

thinking I was imagining coming home and

saying that to her. She is very

spiritual. She's very religious as well.

So I imagine she might pray for me. Um I

imagine I imagine she'd want to pray for

me.

>> Mhm.

Well, then you have an amazing woman and

so do I. And she's been with me every

step of the way. She's been there for

some of them. Uh she's seen some of the