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>> Hello, Rachel. What's happening?

>> Hello, Joe.

>> Very nice to see you again. Um, so when

your husband Andrew came in here, he

told me about your book and then I

talked to you and you seemed very

interesting and you gave me like a

little brief synopsis of it and so then

I listened to it on audio tape and it's

crazy. And it is the occult

feminism, the secret history of women's

liberation. Um, you know, I didn't

really have much of an opinion on

feminism. I my my opinion was, you know,

unfortunately you run into some

feminists that just seem to not like men

for whatever reason. And you know,

there's a lot of people in this world

that aren't happy with their position or

station in life. But I didn't really

think too much into how this all got

started until I listened to your book

and I'm like, this is kind of bonkers.

So before we get into your book, like

how did you decide to write about this?

like what what was your little journey?

>> Oh,

>> or big journey.

>> Yeah, it's kind of a big journey. So, uh

when I was growing up, I was like a in

all the advanced kid classes and from

the time I was in like kindergarten, it

was just pounded into my head like

you're going to college, you're going to

have a career and you know, you're smart

and you have to do something with that.

It was like the only option that was put

before me. And so, I followed that path

like all the way through school. And by

the time I got done with 12 years of

regular school, I realized a couple

things. One is uh school is not where

you go to learn things. Uh school isn't

ne public school is not so great for

smart people for the most part. And that

I really didn't like like another four

years of school just sounded like hell

to me. And I really just wanted to get

married and have kids. That's kind of

what I always wanted to do. much to the

horror of my Marxist feminist mother um

who who did not like

>> indoctrinated at an early age.

>> Well, she tried, but I was the why kid.

I was the kid that's just like why? Why?

But why? Um and I had like a Rush Limba

dad.

>> Wow.

>> They got divorced. Shocker. Who could

have seen it coming? Um so they got

divorced when I was like nine. And I had

So I grew up in like two worlds. I had

like Republican business owner Rush

Limba dad and I had Marxist feminist

crazy mom.

>> Was the mom always Marxist feminist and

was the the the dad always like a Rush

Limbbo Republican? Yep.

>> How did they fall in love? How did all

that happen?

>> They didn't. I was an accident.

>> Oh, so they just fall in lust.

>> Yes.

>> I was like a an oops baby. And my dad

said that when he saw me he was like,

"Well, I don't want anybody else right.

Like this is the only thing that matters

to me. So, I'm going to make this work.

And he tried his best.

>> How did they even hook up with such

radically different ideologies?

>> I don't think they were talking about

that sort of thing when they got

together. They were probably hanging out

at a bar.

>> Oh, so they didn't really know each

other very well.

>> Not really. No, they were kind of like

they worked in the same place and met at

work and then had like a fling and then

>> I was born. Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, I had divorced parents. Yeah.

It was it was really rough because my

mother like hated my dad. She couldn't

ever tell you anything he did wrong.

>> Yeah.

>> It was just like he's a evil white

patriarchist. Bad bad Republican man.

One of my earliest memories is them

fighting over the Bush Daucus election

in 88 and like threatening to lock each

other in the house so that the one

couldn't cancel the other one's vote and

stuff.

>> Yeah,

>> I know. Fun. It was fun. Was this before

after Kitty Dukakas drank mouthwash or

what did she drink? She drank something

like that after shave or mouthwash to

try to get drunk.

>> Like she would the pressure of the

election must have been so insane. And

this is preocial media, right? And this

lady was already struggling with like

alcoholism and uh I think she was

hospitalized for drinking something that

was not a drink. Well, can we find out

what that was?

>> Sure.

>> It was really crazy, right? remember? Do

you remember that?

>> I just remember that whole election

being pretty nuts like as far as like

the Democrats versus Republican. And

this was when Democrats were more like

how Republicans are right now. They

weren't like ride in a tank to make

everybody think he was like a pro-war

tough guy. Remember that?

>> Yeah. Yeah. And I remember read my lips,

no new taxes, and all that stuff. So

like I I had this going on like as a

kid. So I think my brain was already

thinking about this sort of stuff from

the time I was little. Rubbing alcohol.

Yo, that's crazy.

>> Nail polish remover.

>> Oh my god. She drank nail polish

remover.

>> Holy

>> She couldn't just huff paint like normal

person.

>> Very open about her struggles with

alcohol and addiction to amphetamines to

reduce the stigma surrounding these

issues. Later detailing these

experiences in her books.

>> Huh.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So, my parents were like

ready to kill each other over that. And

so, they divorced right right after

that. They divorced. And so, I'd spend

time with dad and I'd spend time with

mom. And I had to two completely

different realities and worldviews. And

I think growing up like that, you're

trying to sort out what's true. You're

trying to figure out like, is there any

merit to what mom's saying the world is

or any merit to what dad's saying the

world is? And I think dad was more

persuasive and and better at pulling me

his direction because I never really

absorbed like I always thought Marxism

was, you know, faking gay and stupid. I

just never bought into it at all.

>> Why Why at an early age did you think

that?

>> Uh because I already had seen that, you

know, we're not all born equal with

equal things and some people work much

harder. Some people have natural gifts

and talents. And to think that cuz my

mother would literally say stuff in the

house like from you know from each

person according to their ability to

each person according to their need. And

I was like even when I do that in class

like if there's a group project

everybody wants me on their team because

I'm the smart kid who's going to do the

homework. I end up doing everything and

everybody else gets the A even though I

did everything. So I was

>> those are the people that are really

into socialism people that halfass

stuff.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. And so like from a being a little

kid, I even noticed like no things

aren't equal and things aren't always

fair and it depends on you know your

natural skills and abilities and then

what you do with those things because

there's lots of people like my mother

was super talented, really intelligent

person, but she was so like emotionally

chaotic. She never applied them to

anything. She never really got anywhere

or did anything. She had big dreams of

what she thought she should have and and

never really got there because

>> she was so like emotionally unregulated

and kind of chaotic. So,

>> I just kind of saw that no, there's not

this like thing where you can just even

the playing field and make it all equal

for everyone. That's not how it works.

There's also a thing that if you're

locked up in something like Marxism, you

you if that's your ideology, you're in

this constant struggle with the rest of

the world all the time where you want to

bend it to your ideology. You want to

change it. And so even if you're a very

intelligent person, your daily mindset

is struggle. Your daily mindset is

conflict and existential crisis. like

you know people

>> that is exactly that was that was the

picture that was laid in front of me.

>> Yeah. It's such a

>> I go to dad's house and he's like he

started a business after the divorce and

he's like hustling. He's working 12 to

14 hour days. He's doing everything he

can to make it work. He's not

complaining. He's just like this is what

you got to do if you want to make it. If

you want to, you know, do your own thing

and prove that, you know, you're good at

what you do, you have to compete. You

have to get out there. You have to work

hard. Why complain about it? And then my

mom's whole world was she ended up being

very bitter and resentful because it was

like this view of but I deserved this.

That should have been me. I got robbed

of it because whatever reason and often

it was like if I was more attractive,

you know, the men at work would have

given me a raise if I looked like the

other woman in the office or something,

you know. So it was like this

>> bitter, resentful. She was kind of like

at war with the world. So seeing those

two things, neither of my parents are

perfect. Who is who has perfect parents?

But it was kind of like I'd rather play

over here where there's a purpose for me

working hard and giving it my best shot

and trying in life and figuring out

what's important to me and then

tailoring, you know, all my efforts

toward that. And I just thought that um

having a family was so cool. And I

wanted to have the family I didn't have.

So,

>> uh, I I had this dream of like getting

married, having kids, having an intact

family, and making it like a place where

kids can grow up without all the

screaming and yelling and chaos that I

had and that a lot of kids have

nowadays. So, um, didn't go to college.

I had a full ride scholarship and I

didn't go, which everybody thought was

the end of the world. It was like, how

could you do that? Your life is over.

You'll never be anything. And I was kind

of like, we'll see. You know,

>> it is very weird that we're convinced

that the only way to get educated is by

an official institution with all the

information that's available now. I

mean, even back then, like that's the

whole premise of Goodwill Hunting. Like

you can get very smart from a public

library. You really don't need

>> it's just the books are available for

everyone. The information is available

for everyone if you chase it down. It's

not like the only people that get any

information are the ones who go to these

colleges.

>> It's one of the biggest lies that

education like we can just educate

everyone. The problem is we're not

educated enough and if everyone had

enough access to education, everyone

would be intelligent, everyone would be

thriving. It's like the internet's kind

of proved this.

>> I had a teacher,

>> it's not an information problem, right?

>> I had a teacher in high school that said

something. I don't know if this is his

quote or he was quoting someone else,

but he said, "Education is something

that allows you to get along without

intelligence, and intelligence is

something that allows you to get along

without education."

>> I like that. That's pretty good.

>> And I was like, "Oh, I get it." There's

there's certain people that are just

dumb at certain things. Like I remember

being around intelligent people that had

no knowledge of how a car worked, of any

of the workings of a car. You would

tell, well, this is back in like spark

plug days. You explain to them like, oh,

one of the cables for your spark plug

got loose. You're only firing on five

cylinders. The six the whole six is not.

That's why it's like shaking like that.

Like if that if it was anything else, if

you're talking about the economy, if

you're talking about the political

process, that guy would think the other

guy was a but now this guy thinks

he's a I remember like being like

autoshop class going, there's a lot of

different kinds of intelligence. We've

just done this weird thing where we've

categorized like you have to go to

specific schools, you have to go to the

you got to get a degree. Everybody

wanted to go to Ivy League schools. I

lived in Boston. It was like very

important. Did you get a higher

education? You

>> you go on to make everybody proud. And

they were all miserable.

>> Well, my dad said this to me. He was the

only person that when I graduated, I

said, "I don't think I want to go to

college for this. I don't think that's

what I want to do." like any of the

things I'm looking at when I think about

like having a career in in that thing.

I'm not very excited about it. I don't I

don't get like ooh hyped up to go do

this. I was like I really just kind of

want to you know maybe someday but I

would love to have a bunch of kids and

stuff and my dad was like you know a lot

of the people in my office have degrees

and you know they have careers and some

of them are very miserable people. So if

you don't want to do that he's like you

could always decide to go later. So, I

was like, I'll I kind of like bargained

with everyone. I was like, I'm just

going to give it a year.

>> You know, I'll do that, too.

>> Yeah. And if it, you know, if I feel

like I want to go to college after a

year of no high school, um, then I'll

go. You know, I could still do it.

>> But I ended up having a baby at 20,

>> which again was the end of the world. Oh

my god, Rachel, your life is over.

You'll never be anything. You'll never

do anything. It's over for you. It's

such a tragedy. It was like treated like

this horrible thing. And I thought it

was great. And when I had her, the job

that I had did not matter to me anymore

at all. It seemed so stupid. I was like,

"Anybody can go." I was a hair stylist

at the time. Anybody can go do haircuts.

Someone else can cut Debbie's hair, but

only I can be her mom. I want to do

that. And everybody was telling me, "You

have to go back to work. You have to go

back to work. That's what we do now. Two

weeks after the baby's born, you got to

go back to work. You need the money. You

need the security. you need the income.

And I looked around and thought, this is

insane. Like, who came up with this

system? Because I am going to go drop

her off at 2 weeks old and let some lady

who doesn't know or care about or love

my baby the way that I do, take care of

her all day long. You know, if you

factor in the commute, it's like 9 and

1/2 hours that I'm away from her. By the

time I get home and feed her and give

her a bath, it'll be bedtime and that'll

be it. I'll get like maybe two hours

with my baby all day, you know? Um, and

I get to pay half of what I make to this

other random person to raise my child.

Who came up with this? This is stupid.

And I have to pay taxes, you know, and I

have to have a second vehicle and

insurance and a work wardrobe. And I

just thought, this is the most

inefficient, stupid system. And everyone

around me is like, this is this is good.

this is what we all need to do. Even

like Christian conservative women that

were friends and family members were

like, "Well, you don't want to depend on

a man because then you're going to get

abuse." They they fear-mongered me to

death about staying home with my kids.

And at the time, uh this was my high

school boyfriend who I had my first

child with. Um because I was kind of a

libertarian at this stage and both my

parents at this point my parents have

multiple divorces between the two of

them. And I always I know I always

heard, "Oh, marriage is just a piece of

paper. What really matters is that you

love each other." And that sort of

thing. And I'd known this guy since we

were kids. We we'd known each other

forever. We'd been together for a long

time. So, I thought this was great.

>> And my goal was, let's get us to the

point where I can stay home and be like

a full-time mom. And he had stuff going

on. It did not work out. He took off.

Devastating, horrible, terrible for me.

No big fights, no cheating, nothing like

that. Um, you know, he's a private

person, so I don't want to tell his

business, but he had his own personal

things going on and left. And it was

back to, you know, I had to work and be

a working mom, and I didn't like that.

And I still thought that there was

something wrong here, but I hadn't

really like looked into

where do we get this idea that women

must be working. Like my grandma didn't

work. Bless her soul, by the way. She's

going to be turning 100 April 1st. my

grandma who's still with us and she's

probably my ace in the hole and the

reason I kind of turned out normal

despite my chaotic family upbringing cuz

she was super grounded, nice Christian

lady, only an eighth grade education,

but she knew how to do everything. She

could go out back and like pluck a

chicken, cook it up for dinner, can

everything in the garden, preserve all

the food, and she had more done by 8

a.m. than most human beings on Earth.

So, I had like grandma as a pillar to

really help me through this stuff. So

shout out grandma. Uh

>> which is work.

>> Yeah.

>> It's housework.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Which is like really important.

Like it has to get done.

>> Yeah.

>> And most people think someone else

should do that. I need to be in an

office.

>> Yeah. This is for uh wages like low low

paid wagey people to do. I need to be

doing something important. But I always

thought she was really important. She

was super important to me because when

you know my parents were off doing

whatever they were doing, I'd always get

dumped at grandma's. So, I spent a ton

of time with her growing up and she was

full of wisdom and like I said, she knew

how to do everything. Like her practical

skills were crazy. She can cook

anything. She can clean anything. She

can can and preserve food. She grew up

during the Great Depression. She was

born in 1928.

>> Oh, wow.

>> Yeah. And she's she had been through

some stuff like she had lost her husband

to cancer. She lost her daughter to

kidney disease. Like she had been

through it. So, she had a lot of like

good advice and wisdom. And she'd always

say, "Oh, I wish I was smart like you. I

wish I was smart like you and I could go

to school and stuff like that." But I

thought, "Grandma, you're the only

person that knows what the hell they're

doing. You're the only person in my

world who

>> Well, the grass is always

>> seems to know what they're doing. Yeah.

>> The grass is always greener. You know,

>> when you're looking at a a woman that's

entering into the workforce who's really

intelligent, you start thinking, "She's

going to have a career."

>> Yeah.

>> And she's going to be a CEO someday and

everyone's going to respect her. you

well that person's on pills and suicidal

and

>> can't sleep and

>> well we're going to get into that. We're

going to get into I'm sure like how it's

turned out for women pushing them into

the workforce telling them they can have

it all and how they're dealing with

that.

>> But I didn't I didn't deal with it well

when I was at work I felt like I should

be at home and I was missing my kids and

like I was really failing on the home

front. And when I was at home I felt

like I should be giving more to work and

I felt constantly torn. And that's

something I hear from pretty much every

woman I talk to who has kids and a job

>> that it's really tough that you always

feel like

>> you're not able to give enough to each

thing. You just can't spread yourself

that thin all the time. And I think it's

bad advice. I think we give women

backwards advice.

>> I think we tell them spend all your

fertile years, all your youth building a

career, going to school and building a

career. Then by the time you're like 30,

35 and you're you've got all that

established, then you can think about

getting married and having kids. Well,

by then you better find somebody quick

and get on it because you got a handful

of years left.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, and you might need IVF and all

these other things. And a lot of women

struggle. And it's one of the it's

actually nobody wants to talk about

this. This is the conversation no one's

ready for. Women's access to higher

education is the number one correlate

around the world, regardless of

economics, race, culture, status,

anything to falling birth rates.

>> Wow.

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Isn't there also a practical

consideration for a lot of people?

Because the cost of living is very

different now than it was like say in

the 1950s or the 1960s. It's very

difficult for a lot of people to get by

on one income.

>> Yes, it is. But have you ever asked why

that is?

>> Uh I I have, but I'd love for you to

talk about it.

>> So, prior to the 1970s, we had 5% of

mothers with school age kids working

outside the home. And for all of human

history, even during the industrial

revolution, you know, 17, 18, 1900s,

like you said, in the 40s and 50s, you

could be a a janitor and support a

family and have four kids on one income.

And something shifted in the 1970s, and

it's never shifted back. So, it can't be

like how the stock market's doing. It

can't really be like all these other

independent economic factors that have

shifted and changed and been so

different over the course of the last 50

years. The one big thing that we changed

is we pushed women into college and into

the workforce. And by the 1980s, they

were on par with men in work force

workforce participation. So in the span

of about 20 years, we almost doubled the

labor force by pushing all the women in.

And men's wages have never recovered. So

now you are stuck in a two-income trap

where even women who want to stay home

and even dads who would love to have

their wife home with their kids, it's

really tough.

>> So what why did women entering the

workforce keep men's wages stable or

keep them from going up along with the

in with the inflation?

>> It really fundamentally changed the

economy. I have a friend named Aaron

Clary who wrote a book about the about

this. um it's an analysis of what he

calls a female-based economy where it's

more consumer-driven. Uh women are like

responsible for 80% of consumer

spending. And now that they're all

educated and in the job market, we have

a lot more of things like HR

departments, uh, psychology, sociology,

like um, the economy shifted away from

being like manufacturing and production

and more maledominated things to we have

all these women coming out of university

and you know they what do they get

degrees in? I think 80% of psychology

degrees are earned by women. And then

despite all our efforts to push women

into STEM, they're still like maybe 20%

of STEM degrees. So we have all these

very educated women. And we have a lot

of kind of fluffy jobs like office jobs,

HR jobs, social media managers. Uh and

mostly women do a lot of the same things

they used to do in the home. So they're

nurses, they're early childhood

educators, they're retail workers,

they're cooks, they're um they're

housekeepers. They're doing a lot of the

stuff they used to do, which uh the

Marxist feminists called unpaid labor,

right? This is the myth of women's

unpaid labor. So instead of cleaning

your own house, educating your own

children, cooking meals for your family,

maybe for your your parents or

grandparents who can't cook for

themselves, all the things we used to do

for our own family, clerical work,

bookkeeping for your husband's business,

things like that, we're doing those

things for corporations.

So that and and this was kind of by

design. Uh, a lot of the book is about

the fact that there were people who

pushed feminism and it wasn't because

women were oppressed and they cared

about the position of women necessarily.

It's because the same people who pushed,

you know, the 19th amendment and pushed

progressivism and feminism were the same

people who drafted the Federal Reserve

legislation, came up with the income

tax, came up with the compulsory

education system. And especially on the

Marxist side, they they pushed feminism

because they said if we can push mothers

and women into the workforce and we

double the workforce, workers of the

world unite. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like we have this huge

workforce. And through the university

systems, we can kind of propagandize the

young women to be socialists and to be

Marxists because they kind of tend that

way anyway. The way that women's brains

work is very like communitarian for a

reason. We're moms, you know, so it's

very easy to radicalize and this isn't

my opinion. Like I go over in the book

how you can just read the writings of

these people and they tell you August

Babel, Alexander Colintai, Margaret

Fuller, like all these early 1800s

writers were saying we need to get women

away from the home and away from being

mothers and push them into the workplace

because then we can politicize them. we

can motivate them into becoming

revolutionaries

and that's how we'll get the numbers to

make this work.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. So now instead of staying home

with your kids and doing all these

things for your family, for your

community, you're doing them for a

corporation and you're paying income

tax, you're paying all the other taxes

associated with having to work outside

the home, gas tax because you're driving

back and forth to work, um payroll

taxes, all that kind of stuff. and you

are away from your kids all day. Where

do they go? They go to public schools

where the public school system then can

dictate to them what the values should

be uh how you know the what the world

view should be instead of the parents.

>> Yeah. It just makes you wonder like

there there's all these giant shifts in

culture and it makes you wonder what

what would we look like if that had

never taken place.

>> Well, that's so you asked like how why

did I start writing about this? That's

why cuz I had like an aha moment where I

realized feminism is far and away like

it's not even close. It's the biggest

social revolution in all of human

history and it happened in one century.

We took the whole social order that was

in every culture around the world for

all of the rest of time that's recorded

and we flipped it upside down and

completely changed it in one century.

Everything about your life is different

now because of feminism in ways that you

don't even think about. you know, the

way that you act in the workplace, the

the way that legislation works, the way

that school systems work. Like, every

single thing about life has changed as a

downstream result of feminism and

pushing this model of women's equality,

which it's really not. It's really not

about equality. And all you have to do

is read all the first everybody thinks

first wave was just, oh, they just

wanted rights. They just wanted a few

rights. That was good. you know, and the

average person would say, "Yeah, I think

that that was good." But that's because

they don't know the real history. And

the reason they don't know the real

history is because when they invented

gender studies and women's studies,

which were created by the Ford

Foundation with some help from the

Rockefellers and the Carnegies, uh, in

the late60s,

they literally rewrote the history of

how women's suffrage happened. So

there's a professor named Joseph Miller

who did an examination of 12 the main 12

textbooks that are most commonly used in

all the western universities to teach

women's history. And he's not even like

a right-winger. He's like a liberal

college professor. But when he looked

and examined those 12 textbooks and

compared them to the actual writings,

uh, you know, newspaper articles,

writings of feminists themselves, public

debates held between suffragists and

anti-suffragists, all of the writings of

anti-suffragist groups, which far

outnumbered pro-suffragist groups, he

found that they left out huge chunks of

what really happened or intentionally

misrepresented what actually happened on

purpose to kind of sell feminism as

something different than what it what it

really was.

>> So what did they leave out?

>> So the most important thing they left

out was that women did not want women's

liberation. They were Yes. Everybody

assumes and believes that it was a

grassroots thing that women kind of

looked around in the 19th century and

they went, you know, we're oppressed. We

don't have any rights. I wish I could

work. I wish I could get away from my

bastard husband who drinks me drinks and

beats me. I need I need rights. I need a

bank account. I need credit cards. I

want to go to university. And and they

marched and they picketed until they had

voting rights and and equality in the

workplace. That's the story everyone's

heard. And it's not correct at all. It's

it's in in fact, it's the opposite. So,

this is hilarious. When the So, we had

this big fight in the late 1800s between

pro-suffrage groups and anti-suffrage

groups. Most women in the United States

and England, if they were a member of

either, they far outnumbered by joining

the anti-suffrage groups. They were very

much against it. It was only a small

minority of women who were pro-suffrage.

And these groups would debate publicly.

They would write pamphlets. They would

write tracks. So, we have a really good

written historical record of what

actually happened.

And women didn't want it. They thought

they thought they had a lot of great

things going on already that were going

to get ruined by suffrage. For example,

here's some let's do a little myth

busting. People have this idea that

prior to the 19th amendment, women were

denied an education. Completely untrue.

Some of the first universities in the

United States were exclusively female

universities and seminaries and

secondary schools. more women actually

probably had the opportunity to go than

men because men always had to work in

the fields in the mines, go to war,

build the infrastructure of the nation,

work on railroads, you know. Um, so

women were seen as like, well, you're

going to be teaching the kids, so you

should probably do a little extra

education, whereas Jimmy and Billy, they

need to work the farm with dad,

>> you know. So, there was never any law

that prohibited women from higher

education. What happens, what feminists

do, they rely on framing. So, they'll

say because there weren't co-ed

universities, because it was women's

universities and then men had separate

ones, it was mostly um segregated.

They'll say women didn't have equal

access to education.

>> Were the better schools men schools?

>> No. In fact, I'd say so. I guess you

could say some there were a handful of

Ivy League institutions that didn't let

women into certain programs. Um, but it

was mostly like medical stuff, things

like that. And that had already changed

before the passage of the 19th

amendment. Women were already being led

into Ivy League education, being allowed

to do biology and and become doctors.

Many of the women in my book who were

first wave suffragists had degrees, had

educations. Um, the other one is like

women weren't allowed to like leave the

house. They weren't allowed to, you

know, sex out of wedlock or children out

of wedlock. Oh my gosh, it was so

terrible. But most of the women in my

book who were traveling the world

promoting women's suffrage had children

out of wedlock, had extrammarital

affairs or multiple sex partners or were

even lesbians,

>> open lesbians touring the world making

money, giving speeches, writing

pamphlets and tracks, raising money for

the suffrage movement. Nobody put them

in jail. Nobody whipped them. Was there

some stigma? Sure. But I don't think

that you can argue that stigma against

those sort of things equates to

oppression of women by the patriarchy.

It's always framed that way, but that's

not true.

>> So what year did they pass the 19th

amendment? And the 19th amendment is

what gave women that gave women the

right to vote, right?

>> So there were women that said, "I don't

want the right to vote."

>> Yes. In fact, when they

>> Why Why wouldn't you just want the right

to vote? Even keeping a traditional

household, like the right to have a say

if it's about the world, it's about the

United States. It's about our laws and

how we're going to govern.

>> Yeah. So, I'll tell you what their

reasoning was. They said, um, we're

going to lose a lot of the protection

and provision that we currently enjoy.

So, for example, in the state of New

York in the 1800s, as a woman entering a

marriage, if you had money, if you had

an inheritance that came with you when

you got married, if your husband cheated

on you or left or divorced you, um you

he couldn't take any of that. Your

inheritance was protected from, you

know, your husband leaving and taking

it. Um and only men could be held

responsible for debt. And there was

something called breadwinner laws that

the courts, it was like a systemic law.

It wasn't like one specific law. It was

like a whole legal framework that said,

"Look, women have to raise kids and be

pregnant and have babies. So, we have to

hold men responsible for financially

taking care of women and children. So,

women couldn't be thrown into a debtor's

prison. They couldn't be held legally

liable for repaying a loan or anything

like that. They could own property.

People don't believe that either. People

believe women couldn't own anything. And

the reason they say that is because once

you were married, you were considered

one legal entity. But even then, a

married man in the state of New York in

1800 couldn't sell a property that was

owned after he was married without his

wife's written consent. And the court

had to be assured that she was not being

like coerced into it. So there were

already like the anti-suffragists

themselves argued we kind of have

everything we want. You know we we have

like most of the benefits of this you

know they didn't call it a patriarchy

but what we would call a patriarchy.

They said we're the primary

beneficiaries of this system.

>> We have a lot of protections and if you

make us equal we're going to lose those.

Like what if we get drafted? What if we

have to go do jury duty and hear like

the gruesome details of like murders and

rapes and things like that? It's going

to pit the family against each other

>> just with the right to vote.

>> Yeah, just with the right to vote

because

>> So,

>> why couldn't you keep all those things

and just be able to participate?

>> Well, unfortunately, they were right.

So, one really good example is the

women's temperance movement. You guys

remember prohibition? That was primarily

women who pushed for prohibition. It was

the women's temperance union. It was

like a Christian uh movement to ban

alcohol. and women didn't have the right

to vote, but they got prohibition

passed, which was huge. Like, it was one

of those things that nobody thought was

even going to happen. And and it

happened largely because of their

political motivation. And the reason

that it worked is because they could go

to Congress or they could go to the

Senate and say, "We're not a political

voting block. We have a moral high

ground from which to ask for these

things because you can't buy our vote.

you can't, you know, um,

like, uh, offer us things and kind of

seduce us into voting for you based on

promising us things that we want. And

they didn't want to lose that because

they felt like they had a lot of

influence. And the things they predicted

would happen, they, the anti-suffragists

said, you're going to see a lot of

divorce. you're going to see broken up

families because it's going to pit

husband and wife against each other just

like it did with my parents where you've

got, you know, mom wants to vote for the

Democrat, dad wants to vote for the

Republican or vice versa. Now they're

fighting about it. They want to split.

They have separate worldviews. Um, and

political interests will be used to

drive a wedge between men and women and

break up families and then we're all

going to be a bunch of single moms.

We're all going to have to work. Like

they they literally predicted this

stuff. It's in one whole chapter of the

book is dedicated to their arguments.

>> How do they have such amazing foresight?

I mean, I just would ignorantly I would

think, okay, well, I think women should

have the right to vote. They're human

beings. They live here. There's these

are laws that are being go like why

would that

>> Well, I think uh one of the problems we

have when we look back at history is the

fallacy of presentism. We're looking at

it through like our eyes now with the

with all of the presuppositions that we

have about the world kind of baked in.

And at this time, so in 1920, people

don't realize that men had only

universally gotten the right to vote

very shortly before women got it. So in

the UK, uh, most men couldn't vote until

about 10 years before women got the

vote. In the UK, there was all kinds of

restrictions on voting in the United

States for men. You may have to pay a

poll tax. You might have to take um a

test like a a literacy test or a

political literacy test. There might be

a religious requirement of some kind.

There might be a racial requirement of

some kind. There could be um all

different kinds of restrictions on men

voting. You might have to be a property

owner. You might have to be a certain

age. So, there was a lot of men. It

wasn't like all men could always vote

and no women could ever vote.

>> And at the time of trying to pass

suffrage, there were already a few

states in the west that had granted

women suffrage like Utah and Wyoming.

And in Utah is a fun case because it was

mostly settled by Mormons at the time

and they were mostly polygamists and

there was this big fight between the

feds and the state of Utah because the

feds did not they were like this

polygamy thing is getting really popular

out there and it's going to cause us

some problems. And uh they want to give

women the right to vote and the Mormons

thought if we give women the right to

vote we can keep polygamy because

they're going to vote for it because

it's beneficial to them in whatever ways

that the LDS church thought it was. The

feds were betting on the fact that nah,

I think if we give women the right to

vote, they're going to say no more of

this polygamy, so let them have it. Just

let them have it. Well, the feds lost

the bet. And the Mormon wives kept

voting for the polygamy stuff. The feds

didn't like it. So, what they did, there

was also a little bit of stuff going on

with the finances of the LDS church that

was a little sus. They passed an

amendment or yeah, a law through

Congress in uh 1878, I think. I could be

wrong on the date to take away women's

suffrage. They took the vote back from

them. They said, "No more voting for

you. Can't do that

>> because you're voting for polygamy."

>> Yeah. And so women in Utah had suffrage

granted and then had it removed for 50

years. It it was from I think it was

about 1870 to 1920 that they didn't have

the right to vote. And the

anti-suffragists, this was a big deal.

So pro-suffrage women would go to Utah

and anti-suffrage women would go to Utah

and they'd talk to the women and try to

because everyone's trying to get them on

their side. And they kind of found that

like women really didn't want to be

involved in politics. They felt like we

have so much going on at home. They were

the community organizers. We don't have

this anymore by the way. I'm taking care

of my grandparents. I'm taking care of

my uncle who, you know, has a disease

and is infirmed. I've got seven kids and

so does my cousin and so does my sister.

And we all raise them kind of together.

We're very busy. We're doing all the

church stuff. We're teaching the kids

together. Politics is just like you have

to know so much about it and you have to

be so informed and we just we don't have

time and we we really don't have

interest. Most of them were really

indifferent. But more were either

indifferent or against it than we're for

it by such a margin. So this is the

test. They let them vote on whether they

wanted the vote in a huge the biggest

referendum was in Massachusetts.

So they let women vote on whether they

wanted the vote in a referendum. Of the

women that showed up, not a lot of them

showed up. It was a fairly smallish

number, but of the thousands that showed

up to vote, only 4% wanted suffrage on

the ballot.

>> That's crazy.

>> Only 4%. So guess what Elizabeth Katie

Stanton and Susan B. Anthony did after

that? All the pro-suffrage leaders, they

banned women from voting on whether they

wanted to vote.

Isn't that crazy?

>> How did Susie be Susan B. Anthony get

involved in all this? Because she was

one of those people that was like, what

was she on the $2 bill or something?

Yeah. And she was one of those people

that always held up as this like amazing

woman. And then I started listening to

your book and I was like, wait, what?

>> Yeah. A lot of these women like her and

and Elizabeth Katie Stanton were kind of

the two big figure heads in America.

There were a lot of other important

people, but those are the two most

people have heard of. They're the ones

who wrote the history of women's

suffrage, which is this giant like

multi-olume history that they wrote.

Now, they wrote it from a very biased

perspective to make themselves the rock

stars of this movement. They wanted to

be remembered in the history books as

being these awesome badass kind of

revolutionary strong independent women.

They in fact came up with the strong

independent women narrative um that

women were victims who needed to be

unvictimized. They had other suffragists

that they were trying to cut out of the

history when they were putting together

this history of women's suffrage. Lucy

Stone was one that said, "Wait a minute.

You guys are leaving out huge chunks of

important information like the fact that

our main support comes from men,

progressive men and socialist men and

polygamist men. Like, why are you guys

leaving this out? If you do, like

everyone's going to know you just didn't

mention any of that." Because at the

time it was like super well known. They

had a lot of PR problems in the suffrage

movement because it was known as

something that prostitutes, socialists,

Marxists, polygamists,

and revolutionaries were into. And she

was like, you can't leave that out. It's

like a main point. Maybe you don't like

how it portrays us, but you got to

include it. So they like reluctantly did

include some of that, but they were

going to try to leave it out altogether

and frame it as we know it now as a

fight of women against men. This fight

of oppressed women against the

oppressive patriarchy that was

systemically trying to keep a boot on

women's necks

>> and even their own colleagues were like

that ain't how it happened.

>> It's crazy that progressive men were a

problem even back then.

>> These the simp problem is

>> rich ass men have always been a problem.

They're a giant problem.

>> Mhm.

>> And that's one thing that feminism does.

It gives them a way to be like I always

call them like vampire familiars.

>> Yes.

>> Like they never really get to be a

vampire, but they do all the deeds for

the vampire so the vampire loves them

and they they hang around the vampire

and they you know

>> it's the sneaky mating strategy.

>> Yes. Yes. What is that? Cuttlefish.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Cuttlefish do that. like sneaky

ass cuttlefish pretend they're

female so they can hang around the

females.

>> Yep. And that's exactly what was

happening. There were other motivations

too like uh Victoria Woodhull was a

famous feminist. She was the first one

to have like a big newspaper. She was

known as Mrs. Satan because she was into

free love. She wanted to make

prostitution legal. She said that

marriage was just a legal form of

prostitution. She saw it to be no

different than regular old

run-of-the-mill prostitution. She was

like really radical. She was also a scam

artist. Like the thing I found when I

was looking into the histories of all

these women, they were into the occult

or very anti-Christian because they saw

it as patriarchal and oppressive. They

were usually con artists or scammers. So

spiritualism and snake oil salesman was

like really big and popular at the time.

This lady sold fake cancer cures. She

was wanted in like four different states

for selling fake cancer cures to dying

people and scamming them out of their

money. And by pushing suffrage, she got

a lot of people to fund her and give her

money. And one of them was Cornelius

Vanderbilt.

And she would pretend to be able to

contact the dead. She would say she

could contact like ancient Greeks and

and all these spirits, like the spirit

of Abraham Lincoln was coming to her in

dreams and stuff. I don't think

Cornelius believed that at all. But what

he did know about her was that she did

run a prostitution ring and all her

friends were hookers who worked the Wall

Street gentleman. And so she basically

had a spy network of prostitutes who

would give her insider trading

information.

He used that to game the stock market on

the first Black Friday. I think it was

like 1889

for today's equivalent of $26 million

according to the New York Times. And

when the New York Times interviewed him

and said, "How did you do how did you

come out 26 million, at the time it was

1.3, but today's money 26 million. How

did you pull this off when everybody

else has just lost their ass?" And he

said, "Do as I do, consult the spirits."

So he said that this woman had contacted

the dead and given him the tip that way,

but it was really just she had a

prostitution ring. So these were the

these were the people involved, okay?

And this is what they were really doing.

But when gender studies departments got

a hold of this history, they're not

going to tell you any of this. Their job

was to become the PR branch in the

universities to sell Marxism and

feminism to young women to revolutionize

and radicalize. And they had help doing

that from the CIA.

>> Yeah. at the same time because we were

in the midst of a cold war. And

I'm not saying communism is good. I'm

definitely not. But according to the CIA

at the time, they were trying to push

Western liberalism as being superior to

communism in Russia and the Eastern

block. So they thought feminism was good

for that purpose. So they helped fund

the beginning of Miz Magazine. Um they

granted scholarships. They made up like

fake scholarships, one of which was

given to Gloria Steinum, you know, and

then they had her employed for years um

going around the world pushing feminism.

So, it was it was never that the average

woman was like, I want to vote. I want

to listen to political debates. I want

to learn about economics and foreign

policy. I'm really concerned about these

things and I want to know and I want to

vote. women were concerned about things

like having clean water, drinking water,

clean milk, safe parks, um you know,

less crime, all those sort of things.

And one of the other things they

predicted would happen, they said, if

you give women the vote and you

politicize us like this, it's all going

to become it's not going to be about the

welfare of our children and communities

anymore. It's going to be about things

like abortion and birth control. What

are the only women's issues that you

ever hear about anymore in politics? The

right to abortion and things like access

to birth control, access to abortion.

It's like the only thing you hear now.

Where are all the women even on the

right like fighting for the things they

were fighting for 150 years ago?

Nowhere. It's all about, you know, uh

like even Trump Trump frustrates me on

this because he wants he's like, "We got

to have more programs to get all the

moms back to work." And I'm like, why?

Why do you want to do that? Why do you

want to push all the moms back to work?

That's a terrible idea.

>> Why do you think he's saying that?

>> He's a liberal and he's a feminist. He

loves hiring women. It's probably his

biggest Achilles heel if he would stop

hiring women and get rid of a lot of his

problems. But he loves hiring women and

he's very pro-working woman. He like his

first wife, one of the things he loved

about her was she was very like

successful in business and and things

like that. Ivanka, same thing. And yes,

they have kids, but they have nannies

and they have all the money in the world

to like support them while they're off

doing this sort of thing. But what

happens to the average woman? The

promise of feminism looks something like

you're going to have the corner off. It

looks like sex in the city. You're going

to have the corner office and you're

going to be in Paris over brunch having

champagne and, you know, signing the ink

on the next deal and you're going to be

doing all this exciting boss babe stuff.

And then you can also have a kid and you

know the nanny will take care of the kid

while you're doing all this important

stuff at work and it's just going to be

amazing. The average woman like me ends

up working a basic like I'm a retail

manager. I'm a waitress, you know, um

I'm a school teacher. I work a nursing

sh a 12-hour nursing shift four nights a

week and I have to come home and take

care of my kids and my family and I feel

like I can't do it all. It's too much.

So, a lot of women just aren't even

having kids anymore. I don't I'm sure

you've looked at birth rates.

>> Yeah. It's kind of weird. It's weird

that no one's talking about it. And

there's there was always this narrative

about overpopulation. Yes.

>> And it's only been over the last decade

or so that people start talking about

population collapse

>> and the catastrophic impacts of that

particularly on some foreign countries

like South Korea, Japan. They do not

have a replacement rate,

>> right? They're going to be there won't

be a South Korea in the near future if

something radical doesn't happen over

there. But this is uh there's a whole

another chapter in the book dedicated to

this whole thing and where this came

from. The Malthusian population agenda.

Margaret Sanger gave me nightmares

writing the chapter about her. I

literally had nightmares about her

because she was so evil. Like it's hard

to Everybody's heard what she said about

black people by now. Most people have

heard that. Oh, that they're the lowest

of the low and we just need to get rid

of them. That it would be best for

humanity if we could just convince all

of the lower races to just stop

breeding. So, they Planned Parenthood on

purpose focused on African-American and

indigenous communities and poor whites,

too. But, um, she was part of the

Rockefeller Bureau for Social Hygiene.

It was a eugenics program and Planned

Parenthood was a eugenics program. And

she was so antiatalist. You can find

clips of her on the internet now where

they would interview her on the radio

and she'd say, "If it were up to me,

nobody would ever have babies anymore.

We just would stop having them because

life is terrible and life is hard and

it's suffering and bringing children in

the world is a terrible thing.

Especially, she said the most, this is a

famous quote of hers, the most uh kind

thing a large family can do to one of

its young members is to kill it."

And her whole her whole shtick was sold

on lies. She told lies about her mother.

She said that her mother died from

overbreeding, that she had so many

children it just it just destroyed her

body and she died. Not true. Her mom had

tuberculosis

and died from tuberculosis like half of

everyone back then. So she lied about

that. She told a fake story about a

woman named Satie Saxs who didn't know

how she kept getting pregnant and the

doctor refused to tell her because the

bad male doctors just wanted the women

to just keep having babies so they

refused to tell them how that worked.

Which I went and asked my grandma. I'm

like grandma you were around like in

this exact time period. Did you and your

mom like not know how babies were made?

She was like what are you talking about?

Of course we knew that. In fact, she

said after my sister was born her her

younger sister was the fourth kid in the

family. The doctor told my parents like

you guys need to be careful like time

things and like try because it's you

know she had some health problems and

he's like another baby might be risky so

if you want to avoid that here's how you

avoid that. She's like of course we knew

this idea

>> have known that since the beginning of

time.

>> Of course they have. But she wrote a

whole book that purported to have

thousands of letters from women around

the world writing to Margaret Sanger

saying, "I'm only 23 and I'm on my 14th

baby." I'm not kidding. She would she

the numbers were insane. She was

alleging that there were 23 year olds

who were on like their 11th pregnancy

and dying from uh over birth and that

they just didn't know how to stop it.

And so she was like, "This is why we

need abortion clinics.

is for this reason. Now, I looked into

this because there's something called

the Margaret Sanger Papers Project. They

have everything she's ever done. If she

wiped her mouth on a napkin, they've got

that in the archives. They have

everything. Do you think out of the

thousands of letters she said that she

got from women saying, "I just can't

stop having all these babies and it's

killing me and I'm miserable." How many

do you think are preserved in the

Margaret Sanger Papers Project?

>> How many? Zero.

>> Three.

>> Three. three out of thousands. And I

emailed them directly and I asked,

"Seems weird. You guys have like

literally letters that she wrote to her

friends. You have like all this

documentation on everything she ever

did. Certainly, if she was getting

thousands of letters, you've got more

than three." And they said, "Well, we

think it was mostly lost to time or she

sent them to abortion doctors to

encourage them to keep going because,

you know, people didn't like abortion

doctors." We think she sent it to a lot

of abortion doctors to like, you know,

give them a pep talk and uh yeah, we

just don't really know. It's just lost

to time.

>> So, you think she made a lot of it?

>> Oh, yes. Yes. Especially because if you

read the book, nobody reads this crap,

you know, except me. I'm crazy. Nobody

else wants to read all of their horrible

writing. But in the book, if you're

reading these letters, they sound

literally like they're all written by

the same person.

>> So, it's extremely dubious at best.

I would love if hey if the Margaret

Sanger Papers project folks want to come

and tell me like where all these are or

if there's any proof of this I would

love to see it because I looked for two

and a half years and couldn't find

anything. In fact, the most popular uh

Sanger biographer in the world who like

knows everything about her admits that

she lied about tons of stuff. She's

like, "Oh, she lied about the Satie

Sachs story. She lied about why her

mother really died. And she probably

lied about, you know, those other

stories and letters, too.

But she believed it was for a noble

cause. She thought what she was doing

was good. And the other big secret is

she was getting a lot of money. She was

getting paid by the Rockefeller

Foundation and promoted by people like

HG Wells, who she was also having an

affair with. They're all a bunch of

creepers, Joe. I'm telling you, she was

she was

>> sound like it. She sound like an insane

person in the book.

>> Yeah. She was married and had three

kids. She left her kids in like hippie

bohemian communities. One of them died

from neglect in one of these

communities.

Didn't care about her kids at all. In

fact, one of her sons grew up and said,

"My sister would not be dead if my

mother gave any shits about us

whatsoever." But she didn't. She was

anywhere except where we were. Any

excuse to leave. She let her ex-husband

take the wrap for her distributing

illegal um illegal stuff about like

abortion and birth control that the

Comtock laws didn't allow that back

then. So she was wanted in court and was

going to be put in jail for distributing

that stuff. She let her husband take the

fall for it while she went to England

and had affairs with people like HG

Wells and Havlock Ellis and they were

all uh bisexual and they were all a

cultist and doing all this crazy stuff.

But people HG Wells called her the most

incredible woman ever to live and said

that she was going to have more impact

on the future of humanity than any other

person.

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>> Why do you think he thought that?

because he was a eugenicist who loved

the idea of millions of abortions a

year.

>> HG Wells, the War of the Worlds guy, was

a eugenicist.

>> Yep.

>> You should have Jay Dy on to tell you

about HG Wells some I brought you.

>> I don't want to know. I I love the War

of the Worlds.

>> He He wrote some great fiction, but he

was a diehard Malthusian. These people

really believed it was actually a very

popular thing that we're talking like

right after Darwinism. We're talking

about just before the Nazis. We're

talking about the Kaiser Wilhelm

Foundation. It was very popular position

to be a in favor of social hygiene as

they called it, which was, you know,

anybody with birth defects shouldn't be

able to reproduce. Anybody of the lower

races or inferior mentally um any of

those kind of people shouldn't reproduce

because we want, you know, a cleaner,

better human race going forward.

>> Yeah. So, feminism was instrumental in

that. That's actually where the birth

control pill came from as well. Margaret

Sanger, the Rockefeller Foundation, the

Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation, and a lot of

Nazi scientists are the ones who started

synthesizing human hormones to make

birth control pills. And their the way

they sold that was they said, "Look, I

we know abortion is very unpopular.

People don't like it. It's a very

terrible thing that we have to do. We

have to do it because we don't want all

these babies.

But, you know, if you let us have the

birth control pill and you make it like

widely available and socially

acceptable, abortion will be a thing of

the past. Nobody will need one ever

again. That's how it was marketed and

sold to the world. And it sounds right.

It sounds reasonable. H maybe it's

better. Maybe it's better just to

prevent all the pregnancies and then we

don't have to worry about abortions. But

here we are in 2026. You can get

abortion or um you can get birth control

pills for $4 at Walmart. You can go down

to your local health department in your

county and get them for free if you're

under a certain income status. And we

still have well at least before they

overturned Roie Wade, we still had about

a million abortions a year in this

country even with the shot and the pill

and all these types of birth control and

more e education than we've ever had.

That was the other thing when I was in

school, right? more sex head, more sex

head, and then no more teen pregnancies.

It hasn't that hasn't panned out

whatsoever. It turns out that if you

take all the stigma away from sexual

activity, you tell everybody premarital

sex is actually good. You got to you got

to get in there and figure out how

things work before you get married. You

don't want to just get married. That's

ew. That's weird. Uh we still have a

million abortions a year. We still have

uh Plan B pills and things like this. Uh

there's been more babies aborted in the

last century than all the men that have

been killed in all the wars of the 20th

century. Like far and away.

>> Yeah. It's crazy. So,

>> um the

the glorious Dynam CIA thing is nuts.

>> Yeah,

>> that's nuts. Yeah,

>> because the real tinfoil hat, people

want to think that the CIA has been

involved in every single social aspect,

including like the rock and roll

movement of the 1960s. And there seems

to be some evidence in that.

>> And and and when you see like how far

the tentacles actually go and then you

see it like in feminism, you go, "Wait,

what? What was she was?"

>> Yeah.

>> So explain. So,

>> Gloria Steinham was recruited out of

Smith College in the 50s as all women's

college. Um, she already had some pretty

like left progressive kind of feminist

uh leanings. And this is generally how

this works. If you want to know how the

left has taken over academia, I have a

whole paper about this on my Substack.

How NOS's and universities have just

swung completely left and they have just

captured the university systems. They do

it this way. So they recruit her out of

Smith College. You know, she's writing

papers about women's rights and and

feminism and stuff like that. And they

go, "She's pretty good at this." So they

approach her and they say, "We're

willing to offer you something called

the Chester Bulls Fellowship." And she

goes, "What's that?" And they're like,

"Well, it doesn't really exist. We made

it up for you because what we're going

to do is we're going to give you this

fellowship. We're going to send you to

India. We're going to send you to

Europe. We're going to have you tour the

whole United States. Do a media tour.

Start a magazine to promote women's

rights. the things that you believe in.

So, it's it's a little more sneaky than

everybody sitting in a dark back room

and like plotting some evil plan to like

uh make America into a feminist hell

hole. It was more like we're trying to

promote liberal democracy around the

world because it's part of the Cold War.

You're really good at this feminism

stuff. Um, and if we can get a lot of

women voting, and if we can get them

into universities and mobilize them as a

political uh group, just similar to what

they did with black people, convince

blacks that you're all oppressed, you're

all victims, um, and and radicalize them

and make them permanent Democrat voters.

Same thing that they did with feminism.

So, they sent her to India where she

worked for the Ford Foundation. Again,

the same people who created gender

studies. um learned a lot of interesting

things over there in India. Not sure

what's going on in there. I said in my

book it's like a hotbed of like

theosophy and like crazy like the Daly

Lama and there's a lot of weird stuff

going on in India. I don't know why they

send everybody there and then when they

leave India they go and promote this

weird stuff. It's what they do. So they

sent her to like Eastern Europe to a

youth festival where she promoted

feminism. And this is at the time where

the Eastern block is still communist and

it's hard to get in there. But as a

woman, this is something uh

traditionally they always do with women.

It's very easy to sneak female spies or

propagandists in rather than men because

they're less suspicious.

>> Mhm.

>> You know, it's like, oh, she just wants

to promote education for women. And

they're like, fine, she can come, I

guess, whatever. Um, so she's promoting

feminism there. Then she comes here.

She's undercover at the Playboy Mansion.

Weirdly

>> undercover.

>> Yeah. She like people didn't know she

was CIA at this point. She was like a

Playboy bunny for a little while.

>> What?

>> Yeah. She was at the Hugh Hefner mansion

and

>> undercover as a Playboy Bunny.

>> Yeah.

>> That's hilarious.

>> Yeah. To promote. She was kind of hot

for like back in the day in the 70s,

late60s, she was kind of hot. Well,

compared to the other feminists we had

to choose from. Who else did we have?

Betty Fredan.

>> I don't know if is there any photos of

Gloria Steinum at the mansion? Yeah,

there's a picture of her in the bunny

costume.

>> Oh, we got to see that.

>> Yeah, maybe Jamie can pull it up.

>> Well, I'm trying this video, too. I'm

trying to see which is better.

>> Yeah. So, um and that was to promote the

sexual liberation stuff, right? Hey,

women can

>> for the CIA.

>> Yeah,

>> well, yeah, it doesn't say for the CIA

here, but

>> Undercover Playboy Bunny. It's an HBO

original.

>> Wow. There's a documentary on it. That's

correct. I wonder how they frame it.

>> This uh says it's for going about

>> exploiting women and low wages. And

>> see, let me see if the photos of her

down there

>> where

>> below right where it says images. Click

on one of those where it's her.

>> Yeah, she's pretty.

>> Yeah, good enough.

>> Yeah, that's her.

>> That's on her.

>> Christy Ali?

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, is that Christy Ali playing her?

>> Must be.

>> Oh, yeah. She played her. Glor. And that

was in

>> for What year was that? 85. Wow,

that's crazy.

>> She did come out in her memoirs and talk

about it.

>> Interesting.

>> And she also talked about

>> Did she talk about that she was working

for the CIA?

>> Yes. So, she started Miz Magazine with

CIA funding. She was working with like

Clay Felker and a couple of other

>> Is that her?

>> No, that's not her either. She was okay.

I mean, it was nothing thrilling, but it

was it was good enough to to get her in

there. And like I said, her and Betty

Friedan had like this rivalry, this

vicious rivalry in the press because

Fredan was a Marxist. It's all there's

always been this battle between like the

the liberal capitalist type of feminist

and the Marxist type of feminist.

>> And Betty Friedan was not attractive.

She was very frumpy. She was older. Um

and the press loved Steinum because she

was like stylish and cool. She had like

highlights in her hair and she was kind

of a hippie. Um so she got all the press

and she started Miz Magazine. um which

there's a whole bunch on that in my book

as well. But yeah, it was like it was

part of the Cold War. It was part of

pushing like the liberal democracy stuff

to contrast it against like the

communist Eastern block at the time.

>> And it was very useful. There's

extensive writing from so many people in

this movement about how, hey, if you can

get women, young women into

universities. They're very easy to

propagandize. They're very easy to

program with whatever worldview you want

to give them. And if you want to make

them into revolutionaries, they make

excellent revolutionaries. This is why

right now you see women in Minnesota and

Portland and LA going up to ICE agents

and getting in their face and calling

them names and oh you got a small dick

little man. You think you're tough

If you're wondering why why is it women

why are women trying to like fight ICE

agents in the streets? It's because we

send them all to college. They get

indoctrinated with this Marxist feminist

worldview that masculinity is toxic and

bad. that men are inherently violent and

oppressive and women are inherently like

mother nature, earth types who bring

goodness and and fairness into the

world, make sure everyone has enough to

eat. This is the like false dialectic

that everyone gets taught. So they see

what what these women see when they see

ICE arresting, even if it's a a sex

criminal who has warrants, they don't

care. They see him as a sweet innocent

victim of the evil white patriarchy that

these are fascist Nazis coming to arrest

the beautiful baby immigrants who are

helpless and need protection from mommy.

>> So they weaponized that.

>> Did you see the there's a video of this

guy um going up to people to try to get

um people that ICE has deported brought

back into the country. Have you seen

this video? No. Is it? Let me send it to

you, James, because it's it's quite

funny because uh he's explaining how one

of them uh the one he wants to get back

in the country has committed five

murders, but he thinks he needs a second

chance, and they're 100% agreeing with

him. It's like it's one of the funniest

things. It's like you you just you see

how kooky people are with this

stuff that it it's not like, "Oh, wow,

he's a bad person." It's like, no. in

their little tiny blinders ideological

bubble, anybody that get gets deported

should be brought in. ICE is bad.

Immigrants are good.

>> Yeah.

>> And without any regard whatsoever the

consequences of bringing over murderers

and rapists and drug dealers and gang

members. Put your headphones on real

quick

>> cuz this is kooky.

>> Bring back illegal immigrants who were

deported by ICE. We're with the Br

campaign. Could we get your signature

for our petition? Just need your name

and email address. Specifically, we're

trying to bring back uh Edwin Hernandez

from El Salvador.

>> Yeah.

>> We do have to disclose to you though

that he is an admitted member of MS-13

and he did kill five people back in El

Salvador, but we think he deserves a

second chance and we want to get him

back. That's him right there.

What do you guys think about what's

going on with ICE in this country?

>> Oh, it's um appalling, I guess, is maybe

not even a strong enough word. So, yeah,

we're from Maine. Um there's been a lot

of ice activity in Maine.

>> Up in Portland, right?

>> Yep. Up in Portland. Yep. That's where

we live. Yeah. So, um I'm a teacher and

um

>> we there were lots of students that were

afraid to come to school.

>> Thank you so much.

>> Hopefully we can get uh Edwin Hernandez

back.

>> Yeah.

>> So, he doesn't have to be criminally

convicted in El Salvador. Right.

>> All right. Thank you so much. Thank you.

>> Good work. Good work. Good work. Bring

that murderer back. MS-13 gang member

was killed five people. Yeah. I'll bring

them back.

>> She's the perfect She's the perfect

example. She's a school teacher.

>> What school teacher do you know who's

not liberal?

>> Very few. Very few.

>> And most of K through 12 is female

teachers. By the time you get to high