Hey, uh, Prime, do you want to do an

intro to this week's episode of The

Standup?

>> Yeah.

Uh, anyways, sorry. Welcome to the

standup. The world's most attendance.

Did someone really just interrupt me

that quickly?

>> The world's most attendance stand up.

All the interns are here. They're ready.

They're willing to listen to the

mandatory optional all hands meeting

today. And today we have a very special

one. Trash chief snack officer has been

going on an adventure with Linux and is

here to present us what it looks like

when someone who's used Mac for the last

10 years attempts to use Linux. Is this

about correct?

>> I think so.

>> Yeah.

>> Sorry, I had I had candy in my mouth.

>> It sounds good.

>> You know, intros aren't long. Trash.

That's on you.

>> He's got to eat the candy now so he's

ready for the rest of the pod.

>> Okay,

>> take it away, Trash. That's the intro.

That's it. So, I've been using Linux for

about two weeks now. I will say

>> nice.

>> I was wrong,

>> right?

>> I think Linux is super fun,

>> but I will say the first week was was

hell on earth.

>> So, be so before before I share this

with you, I want to just kind of show

you the dros I went through just trying

to even get anything to work.

>> So, I'm using this old MacBook Air 2015,

I think.

>> Oh, that's a separate issue. Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, it's super ancient. The

hardware is not that great. Um,

>> it's Mac.

>> The Mac is the main issue.

>> Well, I wiped Mac off of it. Mac doesn't

even exist anymore or the OS at least.

But

>> well, I just meant the lack of not being

an open platform, but yeah.

>> True, true, true. So, I started off with

So, I like I I pulled um Twitter or

whatever because I just don't really

know what I'm doing. And I ended up with

Fedora. So, I installed Fedora first. Is

that good? I don't even know.

>> That would have been Reddit's answer,

but it happened. Fedora's Fedora is fine

most of the time. I don't know about on

a Mac, but it's fine.

>> The overlap of Fedora users and Mac

users trash the circle was one when you

were doing that.

>> True. That's the first person.

>> Okay. So, I use Fedora and actually,

dude, I love Fedora out of the box.

Like, the way I use Mac was actually the

same way you use Fedora. Like, I use Hot

Corners. So, I use like the top left

corner to kind of show like my like

mission control or whatever. And it was

like the defaults of Fedora were exactly

like that. However, I could not get

[ __ ] internet to work on it. So, I

had literally no internet on my machine.

So, what I was doing is I had like chat

GPT open on like my other Mac. And I was

just hand typing super long commands.

Just like literally like 200 character

line commands. I was about to lose my

mind. And then it got to the point where

I bought a uh

I can't find it, but I bought an

Ethernet adapter, a USB Ethernet adapter

because I couldn't get the Wi-Fi drivers

to install. So I waited two days for

that to ship in. I plug it in. That

didn't even work. So I was like, "All

right, whatever." So then I tried to

reinstall Fedora again, which I did. I

did like a different version and then I

got it like in this halfway station.

>> Well, let me finish. So, interesting

enough, I was able to install to install

the drivers halfway, whatever that

means, to the point where my USB

Ethernet adapter worked, but then my

Wi-Fi didn't work. So, as soon as I

unplugged the adapter, like I lost all

internet, but then I got into this weird

thing where my packages were all

mismatched, like tried to do like a DNF,

like install force or whatever with a

whatever drivers, and then everything

just went cut. So, I was like, "All

right." After like a week of like trying

that, I switched to Linux Mint Cinnamon

or whatever. Isn't that what um

PewDiePie used or whatever?

>> Kamish, you got to listen to me.

>> Oh, no. Not one more comment from you.

I'm done rebasing your mistakes. You're

on junior CSS duty until further notice.

>> Commish, you can't do this to me.

>> Keep talking and you'll be doing store

procedures for a month now. Get out of

here. Take him with you.

Fun fact, CSS is actually touring

complete.

>> Larry, Gary, Tango, Mary, I'm just

pulling your request. It looks good to

me. You're clear to ship.

>> Thanks. You're welcome. Next.

It's an awfully big PR for an intern.

>> Well, I just bumped some dependencies.

It's nothing major.

>> Hey, can I get a quick stamp on this?

>> Yeah, don't worry about it.

>> Quick approval. Oh, not on my watch. I'm

on your disc like a peas on slot this

again. It's literally just a hex code

change. Just to prove it. Just to prove

it. Squish perf resisting review. Oh, I

know you're the dipler. I've seen vibe

coding, but that AIN'T IT.

>> MERGE COP. NO.

>> MERGE COP.

>> I hate merge cop. He always makes

reviewing take forever. We have code

rabbit. Oh, come on. I wasn't even

merging the prod. It was a hex code

change. We have code rabbit. We don't

need real people reviewing such simple

changes. Code rabbit can do it for us.

Our engineers time is better spent

solving problems for customers. You can

try it too at code rabbit.ai.

>> Next week on Merge Cop.

>> Now, my plan to merge a dip so big.

You're the dippler and I always knew it.

>> I've minted before. I used to mint with

i3 for a while.

>> See? Yeah. So, I don't even know what

these mean to be honest. Like I like

Fedora like I is Fedora cool. I don't

know. Linux Mint is that cool? No idea.

>> Linux Mint just looked terrible to me.

So, as soon as I installed it, I kind of

hated it immediately. But I think it's

but I think it's supposed to look

terrible maybe. I don't know. But then

so so the so I tried the drivers again.

I tried to sell the drivers.

>> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Somebody just

right now there's somebody out there

that's been like I've spent my whole

life designing Linux Mint and then

you're like I think it's designed to

look terrible. Like their whole life

just fell like their meaning in life

just fell apart.

>> As soon as it booted up I was like ew.

Like like the first thing I saw was like

ew. Like that's like my first word that

came out of my mouth. But I was like,

"All right, whatever. Let me just try to

get like internet on this thing." So, I

plug in the adapter. Of course, that

doesn't work. I tried Wi-Fi and it

doesn't work. And I'm just like, "Dude,

I'm so tired of just like manually

typing commands." Like, I was talking to

Chat GPT. I had like the log. It got to

the point to where I ran out of free

credits on Chat GPT that I actually paid

for a $20 plan cuz I was like, I am not

going to give up cuz I I literally gave

up for about

>> this. This is good. This is good. So the

free free Linux cost you $20 already,

>> dude. Literally, but like for 48 hours,

I gave up. I was like, dude, Linux is

stupid. I'm not going to. But I was

like, you know what? I'm going to see

this through cuz I went on Unixport on

Reddit. A

>> lot of you trash.

>> I went on Unixport and I was just like

going through the top post. I was like,

man, these look so cool and I want this.

So I was like, all right, hail Mary.

Let's just try Pop OS. I was kind of

against Pab OS because it kind of looks

like a an operating system for little

kids because it's like it's like

spaceships and rockets and stuff and all

just like dude

>> trash. What is directly behind you?

>> Yeah.

>> ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THIS IS AN

INVESTMENT.

>> This is an investment. Okay. This is

worth a lot of money. All right.

>> All right. Yeah.

>> So, I got Papa. Okay. Can you Okay.

Yeah, I feel really Okay, man. I just

got destroyed on that one.

>> You did trash.

>> I can't come back from that. Yeah.

>> Yeah, that was tough.

>> Hey, that thanks everybody for this

episode of the stand up.

>> It's like

>> I'm over here opening my Pokemon cards

and eating candy. And this Linux

operating system is making me feel like

a child. It has a rocket ship on it.

Rockets are for children and Yum Earth

is for adult men.

>> You know what's funny is that the way I

rised it, it definitely looks like it's

for like a 15-year-old like anime kid.

>> Yep. Yep. Yep.

>> All right. This is

>> made it look even worse. It looks

>> Oh, trash. We'll be the judge of does

the final version look more like for

children versus

>> All right. So, you installed Pop OS.

>> I'm in Pop OS because everyone said like

the drivers are like good. Like I'll get

Wi-Fi out of the box. So, I installed

Pop OS and lo and behold, like

fantastic. It look it looks great or it

doesn't look great, but it works. I was

like, great. But then I got to the point

where like I just don't like how it

looks. It just looked terrible. And then

and then I then someone told me about

Hyperland. No idea what Hyperlind was. I

kind of know what it is now at this

point. So, I installed Hyperlind and

then I switched to Hyperlin mode and

then I was just like so confused.

Literally,

>> the only thing I could do was open up a

terminal and I did it by accident. I hit

like super enter. I hit super enter or

whatever and a terminal opened. I was

like, "Wow, what's happening?" And I was

like I was like, "Where's my browser?" I

was like, "Where's my status bar?" Like

I had literally no idea what to do. And

then thank God for chat GPT cuz I was

like, "Chadgt, how do I just open

anything in general?" Because apparently

in Hyperlind, literally every single

thing you do just needs like a config.

So I have like a config for my like for

my status bar. I have a config for like

kitty which is like the default terminal

and then just like literally anything

you would do. So the one eye opener for

me was just like just to have a similar

experience to Mac or just like all the

all the software I took for granted that

was like available when you do install

like Windows or Mac like this wasn't

there by default nor was it set up. So I

was like sitting here kind of stumbling

through the terminal only. And what also

threw me for threw me for a loop was

like the tile manager. Like everything

opens like in its own designated spot.

Like nothing's floating by default. So

when I was opening stuff, it just like

went to like four squares like in

Riverside, which I'm not used to. I kind

of like having things floating and I

like to move things with my mouse and my

mouse just did not work in Hyperlin. I

was like trying to click on stuff and I

was like what is happening? And to make

things worse, apparently if you middle

click on Linux or me, at least maybe in

pop OS, I don't know, it copy and paste

like the last thing when you click.

>> So I was trying to click on stuff and I

just kept pasting like terminal commands

everywhere. And I was like, dude, and I

did that for about 3 days before I was

like, "All right, something's wrong."

And I Googled it and I was like, "Oh,

that's what's wrong." So I have to be

really careful where I push on my

trackpad cuz I'm using this like old

dinky trackpad.

>> You can turn that off, dude. You can

turn

>> You can just turn it off. I have it so

that obviously

>> I have right click as two fingers and

the whole thing is left click. So I just

don't I just don't mess that up.

>> All right. Well well now I know where to

push in my trackpad. So I've already

adapted at this point.

>> Okay. Good. Good. That's good. All

right. So continue though. Trash. So

you're you're configuring everything in

Hyperland.

>> Yep. So I'm like dot files maxed out. I

got my dot files on GitHub now. You know

what I'm saying? I went on like I went

on I went on Reddit and I was like

researching. Dude, I'm too out of my

mind right now. Not even kidding. Like I

used to hate two. I was like, "Dude,

cloud code, all this stuff." Dude, like

I'm just going to use cursor cuz it's a

gooey. But now I'm just like, "Dude, I

live in the terminal now." And I'm so I

mean to be honest, I was like a terminal

kid before like the cursor stuff came

out, but I just got tired of it.

>> You definitely are a terminal kid. I

mean, you're still collecting Pokemon.

How old are you?

>> I don't want my operating system look

like it's for adults.

>> I'm never going to recover from that.

I'm literally never going to recover.

>> No, Josh. That was That was a fatal

blow.

I know that that was really bad. But let

me show you what I got. And because I'm

on Linux, I can't share my screen. So, I

have a camera pointing at my at my

computer, which I'm going to switch to.

>> But before before I switch, because the

monitor I'm on for my old Mac just looks

like crap. So, the colors don't look as

cool. But I just want to show you what

the colors would look like

if they if they're on a nice monitor.

So, here's my Let me see. Boom. Like,

look at that.

Oh, look

>> how pretty that is. So, this is like my

um Can you see that, Prime?

>> It does look a bit degenerate. I did I

did put you in big mode.

>> That's the white.

>> So, that's chick from Demon Slayer. So,

that's a chick from Demon Slayer. I

actually have her on my wall here. I'll

show you.

>> I can see a literally a wall of Demon

Slayer right now in chat being like,

"Doo."

>> Yeah. Yeah. So, that's Mitsary from

Demon Slayer. And then I dude, I went on

like a a wallpaper spree for like four

hours over the weekend just trying to

find

wallpaper that just looked good with

like this neon color I got going on.

Okay, so I just wanted to show this

before I switch to my to my camera mode.

But here, you guys ready for some scuff

demoing? Because it's about to get wild.

>> All right, hit us.

>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Virtual.

>> By the way, that's a screenshot.

>> Sorry.

>> That we're cursing

>> before we keep going. Um, someone says,

"Demon Slayer is a very overrated

anime." Do you have

>> any is kind of overrated, but I did like

I just I specifically chose this one

because the color just looks sick.

>> Oh, lamb.

>> All right, there you go. We just wanted

to get it out there. I just wanted to

make sure in case there was a fight you

wanted to have with anybody, you could

have

>> trash. My favorite anime is the

liveaction remake of One Piece.

>> I hate One Piece, too. One Piece and

live action in the same sentence is like

going to trigger me. But here, here's

the poster of uh Can you see it? Yeah,

we can see that trash.

>> Oh, it's a delay. That's the poster

that's like right above.

>> But here you go.

>> Oh, hey,

>> there we go. This is the demo for my

Linux. All right, so there's my there's

my login screen that I had to configure

myself, by the way.

>> I love that we're getting the Blair

Witch version of this,

>> dude. Oh god, my password too, dude.

Yeah, I just my password. I just totally

typed my password in with like the

camera pointing it at.

Is it

>> is it the one password or

>> Please tell me it's not the one

password, dude.

>> It's It's like one of my old one

passwords and I'm just not strong

enough.

>> So, I upgraded to a different one

password. That's pretty complicated.

>> You would understand. This other

password goes to a different school.

>> This is This is a This is a new

password. It's got a dollar sign in it.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> It's very demo this. This is so hard.

>> This is Okay. So this is my this is my

default screen, right? So this is what I

mean that this is this is what I mean

like with the tile manager. So I do like

command enter which is like the default

>> like it does like the tiling thing. This

one's floating right now. So let me fix

that. But this is like the tiling thing

like it does this thing which I'm not

used to. Right.

>> I love that by the way. Huge fan of

that. Plus different desktops make me

very happy.

>> Mhm. And then we got the we got the

obviously you got to have Btop on there.

You know what I'm saying? So, I like

>> True. Good point.

>> Put on my screen while my wife walks by.

So, I just like impress her

>> and she's like, "Wow, you're finally

working."

>> You know what I'm saying? And then, you

know, then now I'm just like I got the

two file manager. I'm using this thing

called Yatsi.

>> I don't know if you guys heard of Yatsi.

Dude, this thing is sick. I was going to

use either Ranger or Yatsi, but I saw

like on Reddit some guy was using Yatsi

and this thing was like super sick. Um,

let me see what else we got here. We got

my work. So, I have my my status bar up

top, which is customizable. Usually, I

turn it off because I don't really need

to see that stuff.

>> Oh, that was smooth, dude. That was

smooth.

>> Yeah, I configured it. Check this out.

So, oh my god, we're

>> Oh, we can see that's perfect.

>> This is all This is all custom artisal

code.

>> Nice. Did Did you use Is that a way bar?

>> Yeah, I think way bar is like the main

thing people use. So, I just made it

just I saw someone on uh I couldn't get

any ideas on how to make it look cool.

So, I went on Reddit and just like saw

some guys. I was like, "That looks

sick." So, I just kind of went down a

rabbit hole.

>> I like that it's not the full size. It's

a little bit more compacted and doesn't

go to the edges. I actually like that. I

think that's pretty clever. Okay. I'm

>> That's sick. I'm going to better

>> I was worried trash initially that you

hadn't figured out how to get the screen

to extend to the edge of the display

until we saw that there were things that

could go full screen.

>> Fair. Fair. assumption. Okay, here's my

dot files. Look at that. I got Neoim up.

You know what I'm saying? Look at it.

Look how beautiful this looks.

>> Oh, wait. Uh oh. Uh oh. Hold on. Hold

on. We got the telescope set up.

>> You know what I'm saying?

>> Oh, look at that

>> telescope by the way. You know, you

know.

>> Nice trash. Nice.

>> And then we got obviously I did my dot

files in Lua because apparently not

doing in Lua is not cool. So, I switched

it to Lua. So, now we're on Lua.

>> Oh, yeah. All the new Hyperland stuff.

The new Hyperland Lua config. Nice. I

haven't even It looks so much nicer,

too. Like the way you can just write a

Lua just makes it just so much easier to

complete.

>> Did you get good autocomplete with Lua,

too? Like, were you able to pull down?

>> I think so. Pretty decent. It was pretty

decent. Pretty decent. I had a pretty

good experience. What we got in here?

Number two. My dot files. Check me out.

Got my dot files now.

>> Star that bad boy, guys. Get over there

and star that fast. You know what I'm

saying? You need some

>> You got your anime waifuss inside of

there as well, or do people have to

download those separately?

>> Of course. I got my wallpapers. Bro, are

you kidding me?

>> All right. Just making sure. Just making

sure. I needed to make sure people could

have the authentic trash experience.

>> Mhm.

>> And then and I have a couple other

modes. I got uh I have it set up to like

if I just like hotkey like my my

browser. So, if I do like command G,

opens up another like a browser,

whatever.

>> You know what I'm saying? And then uh

what else do I got? We got

>> Do the function keys work? Can you like

make the screen brightness go up and

down or is that is that a TV?

>> Find out.

>> Good question. Good question.

>> Oh, it does work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> Dude, not going to lie, I could not fix

I couldn't fix my volume for like two

days

>> and then I had to like cuz I had to

configure it and then I had to like

basically dude everything you just have

to configure which is insane. So like

this thing like the um

>> Oh gosh. Oh. Uh oh.

>> Uh oh.

>> What's happening? Hold on.

Oh, there we go. Just to like get like a

spotlight type thing took me forever to

do. So you can like type in and get all

the good stuff.

>> And then I have like a separate mode for

like windows that are open, a separate

mode for like calculator or whatever.

>> I don't know what else I got in here.

>> I think I think that might be it.

>> Josh, I got a question for you.

>> Yeah.

>> How much of the how much of the config

are when you're saying you're artisally

doing it, you're saying you're

handwriting this? You actually

>> I hand wrote a lot of it at first cuz I

wanted to learn how to do it.

>> Okay, nice.

>> So like but it was like more the

traditional route. I went to Stack

Overflow and I looked at people's do

files and I kind of just looked at it

like I would have done preAI and versus

just like

>> going into chatgpt and just like tell it

to reconfigure. I did at some point have

it like help me if I got like super

stuck. I'm like what am I doing wrong?

It kind of help me do all my

configuration stuff.

>> But um other than that, yeah, I tried to

just like do everything by hand so I can

like truly learn it. There's a lot of

stuff I don't really understand. Like

Hyperland is like the

I don't even know. It's like the window

manager and something else put together.

I don't even know how to describe it. I

need like someone with the elite.

>> It's a desktop environment.

>> Okay. But it also handles like the

window. So like when you say like you

use like i3, that's like the alternative

to what I would use here, right?

>> Yeah. I like I don't use i3 anymore. I I

moved over to hyperland.

>> Uh and so it is it is all the things in

one. So it's you get the tiling,

>> you get the compositor, like everything

just works like in the i3 days. That's

>> the word I was looking for. You have to

bring it all together in i3 land.

>> Yeah. So, one thing I was struggling

with, I wanted my terminal to be like a

little bit more opaque or like like

laying opacity so I could see through

more, but apparently because of the

compositor, this is like as much as it

can get.

>> So, it's like it's pretty blurry.

>> Not the desktop environment. My bad.

It's the window manager plus compositor.

>> Okay. So, is it the compos?

>> I have a question. What by compositor?

So does that mean I've never looked at

uh sort of the new architecture of

Linux? So Wayland is not a compositor.

It's just a substrate you build a

compositor on or what

>> I thought I thought Wayland was like the

protocol for it. I could be I pretty

sure

>> I'm just curious about the terminology.

Like obviously I know what Wayland

actually is, but I'm just curious like

what do they now call a compositor?

>> Yeah, it's something that implements the

protocols. So I'm pretty sure way yes

chat is saying Wayland is just

protocols. So Wayland is nothing. It's

just a and then hyperland is the

compositor that implements wayand.

>> Okay. So Wayland is like the spec.

>> Yeah.

>> And then anyone can implement the Whan

spec

essentially, right?

>> Uh and then so something like hyperland

goes like okay I've I've implemented the

whining spec. So anyone who's written to

that like I've got all the end points

>> so this thing will just work on top of

it and then we're going to do whatever

we want. But it's not like we had to

install another implementation of

Wayland alongside

like hyperland to get it to work. It's

all just kind of like folded into one

>> package. Is that the correct Is that the

correct description of it chat?

>> Mhm.

>> Hold on. One more thing. You guys ready

for this?

>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Of course.

>> Hold on. Hold on. Why is it not working?

Boom. change 10.

>> Oh, with the slide.

>> Yeah. Well, it actually changes. It

changes the animation auto. It's like on

shuffle. So, hold on. We got some of

that.

>> WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS THAT? You just you

just hit a key to change your in case

you're feeling like a change in mood or

>> So, this is actually my favorite

wallpaper. So, what I'm going to do is

there's this there's this other thing

called wall lust and it will actually

change the entire theme of your desktop

>> to match the color of the photo in the

background. So, that's my next

adventure. It's called Wallless. It's

like some rust thing someone wrote. So,

I'm going in deep. And then I'm actually

going to I'm buying another computer

right now. So, cuz I'm ready to put this

uh these dot files on another computer

that will actually work and use it as my

main machine. I'm going to start trying

to game on it.

>> And then and then I'm going to actually

start being on the stand up with Linux.

Can you believe it?

>> I can. The Linux future is here, man.

It's coming. People do not understand.

They think the big story is AI. The big

story is Linux, man.

>> Great point.

>> Linux desktop

>> year of the Linux desktop. So many

people are like, "Yep, I'm moving over."

>> All right, so I have a real question.

>> Yeah,

>> dude. My arm my arm is tired, so I'm

switching modes right now.

>> Okay. Okay, switch modes. I mean, I got

burnt out of his body.

>> Like I'm like in an earthquake mode

right now.

>> Yeah, we can we can see that.

>> I know. I know.

>> Nice. Good job, Trash. Hey,

>> can we get some claps for trash in the

chat, please? Everybody, that's great.

Yep.

>> I am Linux pilled. Like, I'm not going

to lie. Like

I always thought it was a waste of time,

but after using Linux and realizing like

all this bloat I've been used to like

Windows with like the ads and just like

all this like stupid stuff that's added

>> and then Mac with like its worthless

like Spotlight out of the box. It's

Finder is terrible as well.

>> Finder is terrible.

>> Yeah. Like Finder is like literally the

worst piece of software I've ever used

in my life. like just being able to and

I also just underestimated how fun it is

to just

configure things in the way I want them

to be verse like these operating systems

I can change like the color whoop-ded

right here I can actually change like

pretty much all of it to however I want

and it kind of like when I first when I

first started using Vim like in 2018 or

whatever it gave me like that same kind

of feeling where I just wanted to

configure

>> this to make it my own for a long time

and this is pretty much what I

Um, so like it was just like, dude, I

was addicted. I was just sitting on my

computer just like between my prompts at

work, I was like Linux maxing, dude. I

was just like, "All right, let's let's

uh let's see what else I can do." So,

I'm kind of like still riding that high.

So, it's it's probably going to get a

lot more intense over the next couple

months, too. I can't wait.

>> I love this arc. I love trash Linux. Me,

too. I I am very curious about this cuz

you specifically said this multiple

times which is this whole like

configuration thing for everything is

just kind of weird now that you've had

this configuration for everything. Do

you see that the lack of configuration

for everything is actually for me is

actually weird like you can't like make

almost any decisions for other operating

systems in any sort of real way and then

there's all these programs that then get

built on top of it that you like can't

alter without really weird ways because

no one has the mentality of like hey you

can fully customize it. So just

>> I just love that aspect and so I'm

curious if you've now changed are you

now like hey where is the config for

this program? I mean, kind of. Yeah.

Like when I'm in when I switch back to

Mac and I'm using like my window

manager, I'm just like I'm like, "Dude,

I got to tweak this. Like, this is not

because I'm not using the exact same

hotkeys that my that my Linux machine is

using." So, now I have to switch like my

mental model. Um, someone apparently on

Twitter said I can like fix that, but

I'm just going to go full Linux. I'm

probably going to switch my my work

computer to Linux at some point.

>> Dude, this is so exciting. I love all

>> I love this. I'm excited, too,

>> a lot of my co-workers use Linux, which

I didn't realize you could do.

>> Yeah, I I used it for

>> Were you using Linux? Yes. Six, eight

years at at there.

>> So, do what machine did you get? What

machine?

>> I ordered my own almost every single

time. Uh, just because I I didn't like

Lenovo. So, I tried a Razer, which by

the way, I had a 40minute battery life.

And I tried for I tried for days to get

Bumblebee to work, which was the old uh

switch between integrated and a

dedicated GPU.

>> I hated Bumblebee.

>> Yeah, it's Bumble [ __ ] is more like it.

Like that was just the worst thing in

the universe. And then uh you know, then

as time went on, I had a bunch of other

ones. And so, you know, at least if if

if the big end is still the exact same

as it was um back in my back in my day,

you can just buy a laptop and use that

Linux. They have good OpenVPN support.

They have good um bunch stuff. F5 or

whatever it is. All those things all

work.

>> Just throwing it out there. I mean, we

got these of course sponsored. So, not

technically an ad for this episode, but

they are sponsored. Uh these XPS's are

awesome. Oh,

>> I would I would suggest trash, although

this probably doesn't need to be said

anymore, but I'd suggest staying away

from Nvidia parts.

>> Yes, good point.

>> Generally speaking,

>> so either get either an AMD like

integrated chip or get an Intel

integrated chip and do not get a

discrete Nvidia graphics, you know, just

stay away from that. That's what I'd say

because they don't support Linux very

well at all. Okay? and uh and they've

always historically been significantly

worse. Whereas

>> changed, right? Like now that the AI

revolution has happened, hasn't like a

lot more investment from Nvidia into

this world

>> happened? I mean, it has, but I it

hasn't really made it better as far as

I've seen.

>> I think too for like consumer hardware,

it's not it's not hitting as much. I

would say the exception for that trash

would be if you get something from like

um system 76 or framework or somebody

else.

Yeah, they I think

>> well framework is designed for Linux,

right? So they you know you're going to

have drivers for everything that work

well.

>> If you buy one Yeah. that's meant for

the Linux experience then then you don't

have to be so worried about the Nvidia

situation. Like it's fine. They they

tested them and it works. Um but yeah,

>> but we have a lot of AMD stuff here and

it all works fine on Linux, right? Like

we have AMD laptops and AMD desktops and

they all work fine. Nvidia stuff is has

been more hit or m miss in the past as

Prime said like you know they kind of

have been trying to fix that a bit but

not very hard in my opinion. So I would

just in general I just wouldn't do it.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And as an owner in AMD stock I love

hearing all this AMD talk.

>> Ryan, thank you for disclosing that.

That's great.

>> As a partial owner of Nvidia or I mean

as a

>> partial owner a partial part hey I I do

I own a little bit of AMD. It's a

fraction. It's a It's a fraction.

>> It's a Hey, it's a fraction. Okay.

>> Sue is here and the primogen is just one

rung below.

>> They want my vote. Okay. They they come

and talk to me about voting rights. All

right.

>> Yeah. I pretty much have two carts open.

One for framework, one for ThinkPad, and

I was kind of just like weighing my

options between the two.

>> Um,

>> okay. I do have to do a negative review

for ThinkPad because they did hang up on

me on customer service. I personally

would never go Lenovo. Personally, I'll

never do them again. Uh, okay.

>> I I do think Framework, System 76, those

are I I've had all of those. I've had

ThinkPad, Dell, System, uh, System 76,

and Framework,

>> and three out of four,

>> 76,

>> three out of four of those I have used

and I had pleasant experiences on all of

them.

>> Yeah, I will say I'm not suggesting that

they're good, but I would say we have

Lenovos here and Linux runs f just fine

on them. AMD Linux uh uh like a AM the

AMD integrated like uh Zen 4s uh and

stuff like that all runs Linux just

great on Lenovos but you know again

that's not saying that they're good

machines or anything. I'm just saying

that Linux doesn't have problems with

it. Mhm.

>> So

>> yeah, trash. I'll just throw out there

too. I do I mean

>> this we can talk about it off stream so

that you know that it's uh also real,

but I love this XPS that they

>> the battery life is so low.

>> People were people were recommending

that as

>> I literally fly from Rapid City to Miami

without charging my device, having

cursor open programming in Vim, which

takes like a cajillion LSPs from both of

them, and having like YouTube playing

Miss Mon'nique. So I somehow made it all

the way through like 6 hours of flight

on a Linux machine. So that was an

absolute incredible experience.

>> Yeah. So

>> I was programming outside today. No

joke.

>> I'll show you a picture after stream

trash. Cuz it has my feet in it. So chat

can't see it.

>> So this is what I'm going to do once I

get my

>> Once I get my next machine. I'm actually

going to speedrun more Dros just because

it's such a pain. It's such a pain to

get distros to work on this old Mac. So

I'm going to try Arch is going to be my

next one. So, I'm going to try Arch. I

want to see like how complicated because

everyone keeps saying it's like the the

ultimate neck beard one. So, I just want

to see like how difficult it is. I'm

going to try Nix OS because my

co-workers are all about Nixos. Try it

out and then I'm going to go back. I

think I really am going to actually end

up setting up on Fedora. But we'll see.

We'll see. I have more news for you. But

I'm I want to try a lot of the dros just

to, you know, get my feet wet. You know

what I'm saying?

>> You can run updates. Yeah, you can run

into some issues like uh I I Here's a

good one for art.

>> Everybody ran into a lot of issues. All

right.

>> Yeah, I was I I installed GDB yesterday

on a car ride, but then I couldn't run

GDB because I had mismatching uh uh some

some sort of lib SOS and so I had to

update I had some things that I needed

to update, but I didn't have enough

bandwidth to update like the whole

machine. And so then I just couldn't use

GDB and just print f debugged my way

through. Like sometimes you run into

those issues and I think that doesn't

happen on YUbuntu because Ubuntu has

like a fixed set of versions if I'm not

mistaken to where like they have like

this is our release and so I think

things just work together.

>> Okay.

>> You know better, right? Yeah. Pac-Man SU

just was not was not in the cards for me

cuz I was getting no internet.

>> Yeah. One thing that

>> also trash. So if you're not using yours

in the car on your phone's hotspot

internet, maybe you won't have that

issue.

>> You won't have that issue for that. that

true.

>> The one thing that kind of threw me for

a loop after I used like I think I used

three distros at this point were just

like the packages that were just

available in them.

>> So like uh two which is like DBN uses

what apt VBN was like DNF or whatever.

>> But then I I realized as I tried to

install these packages between them like

one didn't exist in this one

>> and one existed here. So I use like a

different command like uh snap or pack.

I can't remember what

>> Oh gosh. Flat don't get flat pack with

snap on there. It was something.

>> That's the nice part about Arch is you

literally have everything. Like I've

almost never ran into something that I

wasn't just like, "Go put it in."

>> Arch Paru Paru-St.

>> So that's like one thing I just I don't

It's kind of like

mpm modules for me. I'm just installing

things and I don't even know what I'm

doing. You know what I'm saying?

>> Linux is not great that way. It's the

one thing that I really dislike about it

that I wish had been different, which is

that like there's liter in Linux there

has never been and probably never will

be a sense of here is how we distribute

a binary reliably.

It just it simply does not exist. Like

everything relies on this sort of

upstream package management or complete

containerization kind of approach. And

they never really were like here's just

an API that you write to and this will

run on all Linuxes forever everywhere.

They just never did that. And it's, you

know, it's it's strictly userland. Like

the Linux kernel API is actually like

very clear. You can go look at it and it

just is what it is. So like, you know,

technically a program written to just

the Linux kernel probably could run

everywhere and for a very long time. Um,

but like userland is just such a

completely nightmarish thing that you

end up having to do a lot of work if you

actually want to distribute a binary

that just works everywhere as opposed to

going through this process of like

everyone builds a package and you

download the package or everyone puts

things in a giant container and then the

container installs and doesn't quite

play nicely with things cuz that

container has something and this

container also has a version of that

thing and so you can't have the same one

between them and like it it's just it it

that part is worse than Windows

unfortunately. Uh and it probably isn't

going to get better. It's my it's the

one sadness of Linux.

>> How close is app image? Just like I I I

have an Arch computer that I'm running

right now and I've had like YUbuntu and

sorry to say trash pop OS although I did

change the background. Uh have

>> absolute child.

>> Um well actually I was running awesome

WM on it but anyways that's fine. Um

but uh like app image runs fine across

both of them that I don't is it like

does that solve the problem or no? I

literally don't know what app image why

it works. So I'm very uneducated.

>> I don't even know what that is.

>> Well mo so

>> you mod it and you run it.

>> Right. That's it. Anything that can

anything that like does effectively

containerization in some way is a quote

unquote solution to this problem. Right.

And the idea the idea behind that is

generally that like we're going to take

all of the what would have been userland

dependencies of this thing

>> you know whatever the gibbc was and

whatever all the sos were that it was

using and like all of that stuff and

we're just going to pretend that that is

what it is running on right

>> gotcha

>> and there's a lot of ways that you can

do that I mean docker is this as well

right like that's what that was it was

attempts and there are many attempts to

solve that problem. But the problem is

that that means that if there's anything

like shared that you were trying to have

these two people do the same thing like

like I want you both to use this config

file or something, right?

>> It starts to be it's now that's like its

own new thing. It's like okay well how's

that going to get mapped? And all of a

sudden you're back to the same problem.

It's like oh okay now we have to make

sure that like they're both using this

kind of config directory with this

layout structure. Right? So there's like

they just you can understand why this

problem happened because it's it's

downstream of the fact that there's many

people shipping userland.

>> Right. That makes sense.

>> So so it's like a strength and a

weakness that come together. The

strength is that you can have lots of

different people experimenting with how

the user land is structured. And the

idea is that maybe that is more fruitful

because different you know if if one of

them fails then we just don't care. that

goes away and we keep the ones that

worked, right?

>> Um, so it's not like it's all bad, but

the problem is like it's still not quite

like the only coherent

thing that people have gotten to in

Linux for long term is containerization

really. Uh, and otherwise it's just this

really, you know, and people, you know,

who try to get really creative with it,

like I said, you can kind of try to do

things where you're really just talking

directly to the like kernel system APIs

and you try to like have very little

dependency on the userland stuff. You

can do that. Uh, but that's not how most

things are built. And it's also there's

it's got its own issue. So just it's

harder, right? Um, it's just harder. And

it would be better if it was uh to use

Rico Mariani's phrase, it would be

better if it if someone some how someone

succeeded at some point in getting it

user land to look more like um a pit of

success rather than a pit of failure,

right? to make it easy to just when I

make something just by default if I just

sit down and make something the easiest

thing to do is something that will just

work everywhere as a binary with no need

for any special consideration and no

need for containerization and like it

would just work. Uh but we haven't

gotten there yet on Linux, right?

Whereas in general like if you built

something the like on just a blank win32

API, it actually runs on every version

of Windows generally speaking and Linux

now.

>> True,

>> right? Like you could write a Win32

binary and it will run on all Linuxes

now a lot of times.

>> Nice.

>> Uh so that's kind of funny. Uh but yeah,

that's where we're at.

>> That hurts a little bit, Casey.

>> Say it like that.

>> The Linux back compat people have done

such a great job of with Wine and Proton

are so amazing that it just runs right.

>> Sorry. That quick question. So, one of

the things I've ran into was at least on

the Pop OS repository, whatever you want

to call it, they had like an outdated

version of something I wanted. Like,

what do you do in that scenario? Do I

just have to go build from source

myself? Is that like recommended or do I

have to sit there and wait?

>> You can add a rep. You can add their

repository if they have one is usually

the recommended approach. So, like if if

the people making the thing have a

repository for your DRO. Mhm.

>> You can add that as a preferred package

source. That's one way,

>> right?

>> Cuz like in general, just like as a as a

rule, Linux's lines

uh tend to have the following structure.

There are a set of like blessed package

repositories that are like the the

people who maintain this distro like pop

OS or whatever or Debian or whatever it

is, right? they maintain uh or any

Debian sub like like Mint they have

their kind of like this is our package

repository that when you run one of

those package man managers it talks to

these blessed repositories and that's

where it will get the versions of the

packages that you install right

>> but you can also add your own

repositories to like supersede that so

you can go like oh um the people who

make Hyperland they put up their own

repository for my DRO that has a newer

build of the thing or whatever. If they

did that, you can just add that with one

line. You can say like, hey, whatever

package manager I'm using, add this

other repository. And then when you say,

I want to install Hyperland, it'll go,

oh, there's a much newer version of

Hyperland that comes directly from the

Hyperland repository, which you said I

could use. Now I'll install that.

>> That's way one,

>> right? like an alternative mirror for

like npm or something like how you can

set up an internal one for that.

>> So you can always look for that and it

comes with the same risks as you would

expect. You're basically now trusting

those people to have built products. But

hey, previously you were trusting a

bunch of papa with people who definitely

don't have uh you know an incredible

security team or something like that to

provide you the packages. So it's you

know you have to assess the source to

make sure that you don't think it's any

less trustworthy than where you were

getting your packages before. But as

long as you've done that, you can add it

and now it will just update

automatically and when you do your

normal package manager commands, it will

just look in that repository

automatically. So you don't have to do

anything else. That's like the most

automated way to get a more modern

thing, right? If they don't have that,

so if the place that you, you know, if

the thing that you want, um, doesn't

happen to have that, then yeah, then

you're into like, okay, I've got to go

look, do I want to GitHub clone this

thing and build it myself? Do I want to

uh look for a a flat pack or an app

image or like those kinds of things

where someone has pre-built it into like

something that's designed to run

containerized. So it won't integrate as

completely into my Linux distro as it

might otherwise have because it's not

actually built for this distro, but I

can run it in a containerized way and

maybe that's fine for whatever I'm

doing, right? Um,

>> eh

>> yeah like

>> trash like on for me I don't usually use

the like cursor bin that's in the AUR

like I just let it update itself and it

downloads a new app image and then like

I can run that app image again so that I

don't have to wait for other pack for

Arch to update it and also sometimes I

don't want to update my whole system

just to update one dumb program or like

for Neoim I would usually just like

have a build folder locally on my

computer and then I would just run make

pseudomake install and then it will just

install whatever version of neovim I

currently wanted to have. So like that

>> okay

>> yeah usually you know usually they have

some like make script some some make

file something simple to like build it

for you and then it's like install some

set of dependencies maybe or maybe

they'll have like a you know an app

image or something that will make it

very very easy to get the latest one.

Got it.

>> It's a problem, Trout. Like it it is

like like I was saying, like I was

saying at the outset, if I had to say

the number one problem with Linux right

now

>> for the average user who, you know,

isn't somebody who's maybe techsavvy,

it's this, right? Because it's like you

just can't distribute binaries, reliably

and everyone, it's one of those problems

where you say it and Linux people say

no, no, no. It's like no, it it is full

stop. Like you it is not arguable. It is

harder to download binaries on Linux

than other places. And that's not really

a criticism of Linux because like I

said, it comes from the fact that

they're trying not to have one uniform

userland. They're trying to allow people

to experiment. And so there is a benefit

to it, right? Like like DHH could not

have made Omari, right? If this had not

been true,

>> right? And the same is true for all the

other people who've made their

distributions. Basite, Linux, Mint, Pop

OS, Nixos, whatever it is, right? So the

fact that we have all those things is

because this was allowed. But the

downside of it is everyone made their

own ideas about what it means to ship a

binary as a result. And those things are

not necessarily compatible. They haven't

necessarily even been compatible across

revisions of the same thing because

again it's like there is no hierarchy

that's saying this is how Linux should

be. the kernel since it has you know

Lionus sitting there cracking the whip

he can sort of say like we're not

breaking this like here is the API to

the kernel it must remain consistent

never break right and that's been pretty

like that layer of Linux has not had

this problem but the user land stuff has

and so that's just how it is and until

someone can politically solve that

problem somehow uh political plus

technologically solve that problem it's

going to remain a sticking point

probably

>> obvious answer Casey is just write Win32

>> applications and then just let proton

handle it. The other thing is the

browser, right? A lot of people use a

lot of web apps now. They they use like

stuff in the browser and the browser is

its own way that this gets solved,

right? It's this separate substrate that

everyone programs to. It's exactly like

Win32 in that respect. So there's two

places that you can go to get like

stable Linux distribution. One is Win32.

>> Yes.

>> Right. And the other is the uh the

browser. And both of those things will

work. Uh the part that doesn't work so

well is if you actually want Linux

native. Uh and there you're kind of

stuck in this like containerization land

or being very very careful about like

using only kernel stuff and having your

own back compat baked into how you

communicate across those channels. It's

just it's not great. It's not great.

>> Yeah. But I feel like honestly I mean

like my wife uses a Chromebook. Like she

could use she could use my Linux

computer cuz she just opens up Chrome.

that's all she needs anyway. So, it's

like it would be just fine. Like that's

all she uses a computer for.

>> For a lot of work that is, you know,

web- based like that,

>> then then this is just not an issue,

right? Because the the browser will

always, you know, Google and uh and

Firefox, they they always keep an

updated browser for basically every DRO.

So, you're going to have that, right?

And so, if the all if most of your stack

that you use every day just runs in the

browser, you're good to go. So what

you're telling me is that the famous

talk by destroy all software Gary

Burnernhard with metal where eventually

the VM for uh or eventually the kernel

becomes just a VM for JavaScript is

really the ultimate goal here where we

all don't have to think about uh

management of any kind. There is no

sandboxing. Everything's already pre-

sandboxed. It just all runs. Like that's

actually truly the ultimate answer. I

mean it's it I I guess I'm not sure if

it's the ultimate answer, but what I'm

saying is just that there are substrates

that have persisted. Win32 and the

browser are two of them.

>> And uh Linux has not yet managed to

produce one other than the kernel API,

right? Uh and so that's just where we're

at. And to to be completely frank,

neither has Mac. Like Mac is very bad at

this as well. uh you I you know you

don't really want to be in a position of

having to ship stable binaries on a Mac

because they're like they they break by

default. They're like, "Oh, you know,

did you get that notorized for this

platform or whatever?" Right? Is a thing

they've stuck in that process, right?

So, they're not designed uh they they

are not trying to make this thing that's

uh designed to have things run forever

uh and all that, right? Win32 kind of

was and has been maintained in that way.

Um Win32 specifically, not some of their

newer stuff, for example.

>> Does Win32 run 64-bit applications? Is

that like a holdback of its naming? But

it's

>> Yeah, I mean you can call it Win 64 if

you want, but I'm talking about the

Win32 API that then got pulled forward

into into 64bit.

>> Favorite gaming system, Casey. Win 64.

>> Yeah,

>> because the reason I usually say Win32

instead of Win 64 is because they've

added a bunch of APIs since then and

none of those are reliable, right? Like

all the new stuff, forget it. Um, you

know, and fun. So I don't I don't know

that you want to go that route, but the

older stuff is is very reliable and very

uh sort of universal. You can run, you

know, a thing that uses the Win32 API

compiled 60 as a 64-bit binary will run

basically everywhere. I've had, you

know, uh examples like uh I have a bunch

of tools that I I build that I use on my

Windows development machine and I was

like, "Oh, I got to port these to

Linux." No, I didn't. I literally just

ran them and underwind and I could not

tell the difference. It was just

seamless and I was like, "Wow, this has

gotten really really good." Right.

>> Uh so it it really is true that that you

know, as long as you're doing a sane uh

a sane wind32 app, uh you can run that

on Linux now and it just works.

>> So fun little side story on Win32. Uh,

one of the first things I ever uh,

attempted to learn and build was

building my own multiplayer programming

in FPS, DirectX8, uh, which I later

discovered to have many security flaws,

but uh, a good like 10% of the book was

starting a Win32 window. I am very It

takes a lot of lines of code in my in my

reme in my memory of really of just like

it's like 4 500 lines of code just to

get like the window to show if I

remember correctly.

It was a brew. It was

>> I would say it's probably it's probably

100 maybe maybe 75 let's say.

>> Okay. Not

>> I mean this they probably had a lot of

stuff in there that wasn't necessary.

>> Not not not my not my time. Not

>> does that include DirectX8 startup

though?

>> Yeah that's part of some DirectX8

handling which by the way.

>> Okay. That that adds Yeah, that adds

>> unironically this part of my hand

started hurting because of DirectX. I

had to quit. I had to quit my dreams of

of an aspiring game programmer because

DirectX was so many capital letters. I

started developing a problem with my

wrist and I thought I I can't pro I

can't do DirectX. Like it's going to

kill me.

>> Yeah, DirectX 8. I don't remember the

startup code for that. But, uh, even

DirectX 11 now, which would be the

standard thing you'd write to,

>> uh, if you didn't want to go 12

>> would be, uh, it it's a it's really not

that many. I mean, maybe maybe it's 100

150 if you wanted something reasonable.

It's it's actually not much. It's not

like Vulcan or or

>> it's not it's not double pointer, all

capital letters, and hap everything

happens to be 30 to 50 characters long.

>> Well, that's true, but there's not very

many lines of it.

You don't have to do very many things.

>> Okay,

>> let's put it that way.

>> Yeah,

>> I was going to say the AI can write that

for you, Prime. You can save your little

pinky for later.

>> Oh, my little my little pinky.

>> Yeah, cuz I, you know, even back then I

didn't like using the caps lock key, but

now I understand why.

>> Um, okay. Well, this has been

enlightening, Trash. I I really want to

congratulate Trash on quite the deep

dive, honestly.

>> And handcoded, too.

>> Can people can people get your DRO?

Like, have you put this up? You had a

GitHub there a second ago.

>> Yeah, I shared it. Uh I posted it in the

chat.

>> Yeah, I was because I think I think

everyone needs to know how to get this

if they want to if they want to be like

trash and have like waifuss on the

desktop and all that stuff. Like how do

we on the desktop?

>> There you go.

>> Like an adult. Yeah. Like an adult. None

of these rocket ships and a wife on the

desktop like an adult.

>> Poo on the desktop. Not a wife on the

desktop.

>> Right.

No, I'm I'm interested to see uh when I

try to port this to a new machine how

that works out and then also just how

it's going to work with like Arch. And

>> if you're all Hyperland based in a lot

of the Hyperland programs, you're going

to probably have very little My guess is

you'll have very little problems.

>> So, okay, here's my question. So, if I

switch distros and I just decide to use

Hyperland

on all of them, is there really a

difference in the experience I'm going

to get?

>> Package manager

>> and that's it.

>> That's a big one. So like which packages

are available and how recent are they

and and how how is the how is the

underlying like config set up like oh

like what's how is slashvar and slash

etsy and stuff like how are these like

set up I mean which you may or may not

care about right

>> I've had very little interaction with

slashvar and etsy in my day like only

when I was having to really think about

like lddding and figuring out what the

heck's running with uh uh the TV app

that's the only time I ever had to like

concern myself

I guess I just, you know, especially

with Odin, it's all together. Like I've

never, you don't, you don't even think

about any of it.

>> So then here's my next question.

>> Was my only reason to switch distros is

literally just for the package manager

at this point.

>> And well, and the outof-box install

experience is actually non-negligible

big one. At least for me, like in the

old days, I used to install Ubuntu a

lot,

>> even though I strongly disliked actual

Ubuntu just because it was one of the

few things that you could reliably

install on like a laptop and it actually

worked out of the box without you having

to

>> be some kind of a uh a uh kernel whisper

like you know adding grub adding kernel

parameters on the

>> I got hit I got hit with a grub menu and

I just lost it, dude. I was like, I

don't even know what to It was like the

screen was black and I was just like

smacking my keyboard. I was just like,

what's happening?

>> And so, like in the old days, if I was

like, I don't want to deal with this.

You know, I would probably install

Ubuntu on something just cuz I knew it

would work the first time, right? And I

wouldn't have to like actually go figure

anything out.

>> Uh nowadays, the same thing is true.

It's just not Ubuntu necessarily, right?

Like there are definitely distros that I

find are more reliable uh out of the box

or whatever. And so like that is a

meaningful differentiator at least for

people who don't want like if what

you're trying to do is just install this

machine as quickly as possible and

you're not like here for the experience,

right? Uh then that's a that's a thing

that you would care about, right? And

like you found

>> um I'm guessing that for MacBooks

specifically, right, for MacBooks, there

are probably certain distros that

install much cleaner because they've

been tested on that and they include the

drivers by default that that are

specific to Mac whereas a lot of dros

probably don't because they don't care

about Mac because it's a closed

platform, right?

>> And so my guess is that that was sort of

what you encountered there. Like most of

the time a Fedora Fedora install will

just work on most PCs. Like it's pretty

reliable now. Uh I found but like yeah

Mac OS uh I had a similar uh experience

to you when I wanted to put Linux on a

Microsoft Surface right.

>> Uh you know Basite for example which

normally would install on a gaming

machine no problem. You just run it and

it installs can't run on a Microsoft

Surface. So I I think I used a Fedora uh

I don't remember which dis which

subflavor plasma I think right the you

know you can they're they're the same

basically but you can pick what your

default is but anyway so I I think I I

installed a flavor of Fedora on it and

that worked out of the box and then I

had to do some things to like get it

running on the surface correctly like

you know to have it uh respond to like

touch correctly and whatever but you

know that's how that goes you I think

nowadays if you were on something like a

system 76 or a framework computer, I bet

you could pretty much have the same

experience with anything, right?

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. We when we when we installed

Omachi, it was like uh I I've done it a

couple times on my uh framework one. I

can go from like the installation

process on a laptop to 3 minutes to the

login screen to one more minute to have

Wi-Fi and everything up and running.

>> It's I mean it's it's pretty

outrageously quick.

>> Yeah. When you're installing, are you

guys using USB drives or are you just

like

>> USB drives?

>> Had to order one. I haven't had a USB

drive in years. Had to go Amazon, prime

that real quick.

>> Okay.

>> Yes.

>> Got to put it on a USB, flash it.

>> And then you got put a little sticky

note on there that just says like Arch

or something. And then that's why you

always have your Arch one handy. Carry

it around with you.

>> Got cheaper.

>> Yeah.

>> No, you want to put the latest ISO.

Again, in my experience, it doesn't take

that long. Just get the latest ISO

again. It'll have better

>> it'll have better drivers. Like I would

get if I'm going to go and I'm not going

to go say, "Oh, I'm going to install the

three-year-old Linux on this bad boy." I

got to get it fresh, man.

>> Appreciate the inspiration, Trash. And I

hope everybody enjoyed the world's most

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you, Trash. We'll link your uh there's

like a 20% chance we'll link your uh dot

files repo in this video if we remember.

>> Do it. Do it.

>> It's okay.

>> The name like trash.

>> They're not ready. They're not ready.

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