whether it's higher rates, uh

modestly higher dollar maybe has been a

headwind.

I look at it as more so what is a was a

blow-off from metal mania earlier in the

year or actually last year. There was a

mass amount of volume and money going to

that asset.

>> Last year?

>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.

>> What's interesting is that even you

would have thought

when the when the war started

and interest rates were up

>> People were petrified of inflation.

They're petrified about the world. If

you had if you had said that to me and

said, "What would gold do?" I would say

gold's up. And it wasn't.

>> It hasn't acted the way you thought it

would should.

>> in the last couple months, no. So, I've

seen a lot of money coming out coming

out of gold ETFs. So, that kind of perks

my interest of well, maybe this thing

will start to bottom out.