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>> Being a pacifist is the way. Avoid

violence at all costs. You know what I

mean?

>> Passively.

>> Look at you, dog. You're a [ __ ]

author. Let's take it easy. I'm not an

author until tomorrow. Technically.

>> No, you're an author once it's writt

author. I have a book in my hand which

makes you an author.

>> I tell you what, man. You had more of a

you had more of a hand in that book than

you would think.

>> Really?

>> Um, every, you know, before we started,

I had you sign one of the copies because

I'm going to keep it for myself. And the

people's names who associated themselves

with that, who took a chance on me and

supporting me, they have just as much as

hands as the monkey who may or may not

have been sitting in front of the

computer writing out the words very

slowly. Isn't that the case with

everything in life though? I mean, it's

it's really who you know and like the

people that you associate associate with

and what you learn from them and their

examples with everything and then

there's no individuals that are

responsible entirely for their own life.

There are individuals though that would

tell you that they are.

>> Yeah. But you those are the those are

the people that I don't hang out with.

>> Yeah. I can't I can't suffer being in

the presence of somebody who thinks that

they had every idea and every right

decision was theirs because I look at my

own life. One, I can't compete with that

because my life is defined by its

mistakes and idiotic things I've done.

Uh but two, I just I don't get it. I'm a

I'm a product of the people who I was

raised by, the people I was around, the

people still in my life. I mean,

>> 100%. We all are. If you don't think

that, you're delusional. They You cannot

have an exceptional person that's

surrounded by [ __ ] They You just

won't. Eventually, they'll give into

dipshittery. It's contagious. Negative

negative people.

>> You really got me thinking though if

that is possible. I'm trying to think of

an example.

>> Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said

it's impossible. It could be possible,

but it's very highly unlikely. And also,

they didn't achieve their full

potential. If that's the case, they

would have been even better if they had

been surrounded by exceptional people.

>> Improbable at best.

>> Yeah. At best.

>> Yeah.

>> I I've never seen an example of it. May

again, maybe one exists that I don't

know about, but as far as all the

exceptional people that I know, they all

associate with other exceptional people.

>> You know quite a few exceptional people.

You have an interesting job that has a

ven diagram that is incredibly unique in

the people you've been able to sit down

with.

>> It's pretty [ __ ] weird.

>> Did you ever think?

>> No. First off, by the way, I try to

point as many people as possible to JRE

number one because I think it's a

masterpiece.

>> It's a good thing to see.

>> Oh my god, it's terrible.

>> I'm like, wait for the snowflakes. And

they go, "What the [ __ ] are you talking

about?"

>> They're like, "What?" I'm like, I'm

like, "Just wait." It's amazing. I mean,

could you have ever thought though at

JRE1 where I feel like that was you on a

a laptop video?

>> It was. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. And to where

you are now where you were like sitting

down and talking to some of the most

influential people on the face of planet

Earth.

>> No. I mean I mean I think if I planned

it out like that it would have never

worked. You know

>> you would have tried too hard maybe.

>> I don't know what I would have done. I

mean I probably would have been more

careful which would have made it less

fun which would have made it less

attractive. You know, I think uh the two

things that I've done that are really

important is not pay attention to much

online talk about me and just follow my

interests and my instincts.

>> Like I I book the the whole thing

entirely on instinct. I look at like the

the all the different suggestions that

come in and all the different requests

to be on the show and I go, "No, maybe

what's that?" Huh.

>> Purely on self-interest.

>> 100%.

>> I think that's the way. What do you get

per day? Like ballpark

people trying to get on your show.

>> I don't even know because I have a

really good guy that filters out a lot

of them.

>> I bet it's got to be in the hundreds.

>> Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, but he filters out

a lot of them and it gets down to, you

know, like what I he knows me really

well and so he,

>> you know, sends me like some physicist

is working on some new thing, some

quantum thing, this that the other

thing. like there's a new person that's

doing this and there's new research on

that and then there's you know that kind

of [ __ ]

>> Yeah. I think the difference between you

and me is I appreciate the fact you can

hold a conversation with those people. I

would be sitting there listening to them

with like the scroll wheel on the back

like

>> do you have words that are smaller that

could explain that? Well, some of them I

have to really prepare for, like, you

know, if I have like a Brian Cox on or

something like that, I'll really

prepare, you know, or, you know, there's

been a few people over over time where I

I knew they were coming on like three

months out, so I I've read a couple of

their books. I watched a few of their

lectures. I w you know. Yeah.

>> But then there's other ones like I could

just hang out hang out with them and

like Evan Evan Haver comes on. We just

shoot the [ __ ]

>> Angry small French painter.

[ __ ] Green Beretss.

>> He's the best. I love

>> I was with him at the uh Montana grand

opening, Montana Knife Company grand

opening of their new HQ.

>> It's We've been on the road a bit, I

think, like two days ago. He's one of my

favorite people. Absolut. But he's one

of my favorite people.

>> He's an awesome human. Yeah. A very

unusual human being. And you know, he's

one of the ones that's suffering from

that stupid [ __ ] alpha gal bite. He's

got that tick. He got bit by that tick

that makes you allergic to red meat. Is

it all red meat or processed red meat?

>> It's animal meat. It's mammal meat.

That's the thing. You could eat some

fish. Some people can eat fish. Some

people can eat chicken. He's broken it

down to only eating eggs right now.

That's how bad it is. He's getting all

of his protein from eggs, which is a

great source of protein, no doubt. But

um

>> that's exhaustingly boring, though.

>> Just go to dinner with him. It's crazy.

The guy has to eat vegetables and eggs.

That's all he can eat.

>> God, I would just mock him incessantly

to his face. I know you would.

>> I do.

>> Do you guys have a larger salad? Yeah. I

mean, I I would mock him that way

because I care for him so deeply. He is

truly like one of my closest friends. He

is he's an awesome dude.

>> Yeah. And so, he's been battling this

for a couple years now. So, he he got

clear of it and uh he was eating meat

again and he was fine and he thought it

was over. And then it came back. It came

back with a vengeance. And it's it's a

weird [ __ ] disease because I Let's

find out put this into perplexity. What

uh what is the most

what is as far as like the documented

cases of this alpha gal syndrome? When

did it first uh start occurring in the

United States? Cuz I had never even

heard about it until Evan when he told

me about it. I was like what? You got a

allergic to red meat

>> and how can a tick bite cause it? I

mean, Lyme disease is another one. Like,

how does it do that? A bite from a tick

just jacks up the human body.

>> Well, apparently Lyme disease has

existed. There's been forms of Lyme

disease throughout history, but there's

real solid evidence that Lyme disease,

which is named Lyme disease because of

Lyme, Connecticut, is related to Plum

Island where they were doing bioweapons

research on ticks.

>> It's historically good idea

>> and it's right there. It's like

literally right there. And then the the

the prevalence of Lyme disease on the

East Coast is [ __ ] outrageous. It's

outrageous how many ticks carry this

[ __ ] thing. I know so many people

that have Lyme disease.

>> And that's a lifelong one, too, right?

Like you're not getting off that train

if you you manage the system.

>> You can cure it. You can cure it. People

have cured it. And they've particularly

cured it if they get on antibiotics very

quickly. So, um, one of the weird things

about Lyme disease is it the bite has

like a little target around it. It's

weird. It's like it it almost looks like

a bullseye because the infection as it

grows there's a red circle around the

bite and if that's and but that goes

away within a few days but if that's

recognized you bring it to a doctor they

get you on antibiotics you can actually

get off of it depending on the severity

of your case obviously. So here it is.

Alpha gal syndromes appear to have first

emerged in the US in the late 1980s but

was not recognized as a distinct tick

related meat allergy until the early

2000s. So in ' 89, clinicians in Georgia

uh collected about 10 cases of delayed

allergic reactions to mamalian meat,

mamalian mamalian mamalian meat and link

them to prior tick bites. But these

observations were not widely recognized

at the time. Allergy was first formerly

identified as originating from tick

bites in the US by Thomas Plattz Mills

in the early 2000s. Reports note this

discovery process beginning around 2002

and becoming clear by 2007.

Huh. So the in the medical literature is

first described in 2009 when published

work documented patients with delayed

reactions to red meat and link them to

IG

uh against alpha gal. Interesting. So it

seems like it's in the 80s but really

started being recognized in the 2000s.

>> Explain. I mean he has definitely he's

slendered down quite a bit.

>> I mean he's lost I think he lost 10

pounds. I'm pretty sure he was wearing

his wife's pants at the MKC event. They

were very tight. Very tight.

Unacceptably tight. But that could be a

benefit. If you're the same size as your

wife and you have just one wardrobe, I'm

here for it.

>> That's nice. Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's efficiency.

>> Some of their shoes though are really

hard to walk around in.

>> I mean, you got to commit.

>> Yeah, I would imagine.

>> I mean, if Yeah.

>> When I go places with my wife and I'm

like, "What are you doing? You can't

walk. This is a crazy thing you're

doing.

>> It's not for walking for fashion. It's

for what my daughter would call the ste

which I think means style.

>> I didn't know that.

>> I didn't know. I'm actually not sure

that I'm using it correctly. She just

teaches me words and I throw them out at

random times. But I learned a lot.

>> Ste means style. I think

>> Yeah.

>> Ste. Okay.

>> Did you know about that one, Jamie?

>> The ste.

>> I probably heard it. I don't

>> I have never heard it

>> until this moment. At least I don't

believe so.

>> The ste.

>> Feel free to use it however you want to.

>> Yeah. Chicks wear stuff that they're so

vulnerable in. You can only take steps

that are less than 24 in wide

>> cuz you've got a dress that like

clinging to your knees, which is very

odd. Like it's like tight all around

here. So you've got these like short

steps and then the bottoms of your shoes

are slippery and then your heels are

elevated and then the the heel has a

point to it so it gets stuck in the

grass

>> just waiting to snap at the most

inopportune moment.

>> It's the dumbest [ __ ] of all time and

they're [ __ ] crazy expensive. The

whole thing makes no sense. Like what

are they doing?

>> They're trying to look good for us, Joe.

>> But they look good already. That's what

they don't understand. I think they're

looking good for themselves. I think

they look good without that [ __ ]

>> I would agree.

>> Uh yeah, a hot chick in flipflops. No

one's going, "God, I wish you was

wearing some shoes that you couldn't

walk around in."

>> She might even be more approachable if

she was in flip-flops because you'd be

like, she's like maybe more down to

earth.

>> Maybe that's what they're going for.

They're going for not approachable.

trying to keep the [ __ ]

>> Doesn't that defeat the overall end like

long endound purpose?

>> No. You're trying to get dudes that are,

you know, willing to take a chance,

>> you know,

>> on what?

>> On a gal that's unapproachable, like you

have enough confidence in yourself that

you'll step up to an unapproachable gal.

>> Nope, not me. Hard pass.

>> Hard pass.

>> Too much work. I'm willing to do some

things that people think are odd, but

yeah, I'm hard. That's a hard pass.

>> Yeah, I know. But it's also it's like

you're not you're in line. There's a lot

of other dudes approaching that too,

>> probably.

>> So now then it's like a you're in an

audition process.

>> [ __ ] all of that.

>> Boring.

>> Life is way too short for all that.

>> It's great for people who don't have

anything else to do if that's all you

want to do.

>> Nope.

>> Yeah, I'm not interested in that either.

>> Same. There's way too much other

exciting [ __ ] out there.

>> Yeah. But yeah, if you and your wife

wore all the same clothes, it would be

an issue. a good issue or bad? I mean,

if you're limited on time, we're gonna

we're gonna go on a trip. Let's just

bring a pair of pants. We'll switch.

>> I wonder what people did in the caveman

days.

>> I don't think they were wearing much.

>> Right. Were you wearing like some kind

of animal skins? It's basically a

oneizefits-all.

>> Yeah.

>> Tarpin cloth to throw over yourself.

Yeah.

>> Loin cloth to keep your dick from

getting caught in thorns.

>> And then a tarp.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Cutting edge at the time. I was reading

this story about these guys that were ex

exceptional marathon runners in uh in

Africa. And one of the things that they

did is this insane [ __ ] rights of

passage where they would circumcise them

with this

I don't remember the process, but it was

a particularly brutal process. They

slice the tip of their dick off and then

they would make them literally crawl

through thorns.

>> What the Yeah. Like the whole idea is

just like make you as hard as humanly

possible. And these guys, they were

pointing to this one tribe as developing

exceptional marathon runners because

these guys had such high pain tolerance

and such like willingness to go through

horrific or

>> what is it? Here it is. Initiation.

>> Okay. Um, so he says he had to crawl

mostly naked through a tunnel of African

stinging nettles. Then he was beaten on

the bony parts of his ankle. Then his

knuckles were squeezed together. And

then the formic acid from the stinging

nettle was wiped onto his genitals. But

that was all just a warm-up. Early one

morning, he was circumcised with a sharp

stick. That's what it is. A stick.

Stick. During this whole process, the

crawling, the beatings, and the cutings.

Try to say that guy's name.

>> No.

>> Kip go. Kipgo.

>> Kipogi.

>> Kipgo. Kipogi was obliged. It sounds

like a Korean dish was uh obliged to be

absolutely stoical, unflinching. He

could not make a sound. Indeed, in some

of the versions of the ceremony, mud is

caked on the face and then mud is

allowed to drive. A crack appears in the

mud. Your cheek may twitch. Your

forehead may crimple crinkle. You get

labeled a kabet,

a coward. You get you labeled a coward

if your cheek crinkles

and stigmatized by the whole community.

Manners say that this is enormous social

pressure placed on your ability to

endure pain and is actually great

training for a sport like running where

pushing through pain is so fundamental

to success. Circumcisions, he says,

teaches kids to withstand pressure and

tolerate pain. Manor says he thinks this

distinct advantage conferred on athletic

kids who grew up in a pain embracing

society as opposed to western pain

avoiding one. Interesting.

>> Yeah.

>> What is this? Where is this at? In

Kenya.

>> Is it a Kenyon tribe? Yeah.

>> I mean, I'm going to be honest with you,

Joe.

>> Yeah. Kenyon.

>> If that's what they did to your people,

I would run pretty goddamn fast, too,

cuz I would want to get the hell out of

there.

>> Yeah. I think it's that. But I just

think, you know, you're joking

obviously, but imagine if that's the

norm. If that's your baseline, you're

like accustomed to that. That's the

worst thing that you go through and you

have to do it completely stoic

>> at a young age.

>> At a young age, you would develop some

insane tolerance to discomfort, which

>> I don't know if one time is enough,

though. I mean, like what they're

describing is horrendous, but true

tolerance and resilience and ability to

work through that stuff, I don't think

it's a singular event,

>> right? Not that marathon running is uh

an easy endeavor by any stretch. So,

they're continuing to do that. I mean, I

get what they're doing, that right of

passage, but holy hell. I mean,

>> Mhm.

>> that's pretty gnarly.

>> That's a thing that you you will see

from ex fighters and even ex-military

guys. Like, what they endured when they

were young was so brutal that as they

get older, they avoid any discomfort at

all. They get fat and they just want to

drink and be lazy. And you're like, "How

did you go from being that [ __ ] beast

to this slob?" And you know, they still

in their mind they're still a beast, you

know, because I did this and I was a

world champion and like big [ __ ]

belly.

>> Yeah. They can't see their dick when

they're naked anymore.

>> Weird. Uh it's I don't have any stats on

how

>> but it's because they stopped doing it.

>> Correct.

>> Right.

>> I mean, laziness affects everybody,

right? Everybody thinks that you come

from the special operations world and

you're defined by discipline for the

rest of your life. No, you're you're

still a human being at the end of the

day behind the curtain.

>> And yeah, gravity wants to keep guys

like that on the couch just as much as

everybody else.

>> Yeah.

>> But I think you realize the utility of

not allowing that to happen.

>> Some people do.

>> Some people do. I mean, that's true of

every occupation in life.

>> Sure.

>> You know.

>> Yep. Yep.

>> Maybe it's a little bit more uncommon

for people to see those that came from

that one of those occupations, but yeah,

they're out there.

>> Yeah. I think that's probably in

everything in the medical world. I'm

sure there's guys that like really paid

attention in college and then they're

kind of halfassing it as doctors.

>> Yeah, for sure.

>> Yeah. It's like the difficulty of the

grind. Sometimes you get through it and

then you just go, I don't want to ever

[ __ ] do that again. Like I know guys

who are former Navy Seals will not get

in a [ __ ] ice bath.

>> Yeah, I'm one of those. Hi, nice to meet

you.

>> Why would I consensually do that?

>> No. No. And I also wish that they could

make a sauna that was just room

temperature but had all the health

benefits.

>> See, sauna doesn't bother me at all.

>> I can tolerate that one way more than

exceptionally cold water, which it's I

understand the health benefit.

>> I'm willing to pass on that particular

health benefit to a it's emotional for

me. I just don't want to do that

anymore.

>> I get it. Yeah,

>> I get it. But what when I get to the

cold plunge, there's a the [ __ ] in me

is so loud. But when I get to the sauna,

there's no [ __ ] It's like just get in.

It's like I know it's gonna suck. About

20 minutes in, it'll suck. For the last

five minutes, it's really gonna suck.

>> But the first 10 is easy. I just

high-five my inner [ __ ] at the cold

plunge and turn around.

>> Like, why don't you take a lap in that

thing? I'm done with it.

>> I almost don't do it every day. Every

day I almost don't do it.

>> Yeah, it's harder emotionally than it is

physically. And uh

>> it's weird because after a minute, it's

not that bad. After one minute, it's

like you just kind of you develop like

sort of a relaxation and you're cool.

That's fine. Especially if you do it a

lot,

>> but the first 10 15 seconds are just

like, what am I doing? You just want to

get out. You just want to quit. Like,

get me the [ __ ] out of this 34 degree

water with ice up to my neck. [ __ ] this.

This is so stupid. I don't have to do

this.

>> Yeah. Hey, you feel like you're having a

heart attack,

>> but then you just chill. And then when

you get out, you're like, you feel so

good. It's so worth it.

>> Or don't do it.

>> Just leave it empty.

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Apparently, there's real data that it's

harder for women. It's harder for women

to tolerate extreme cold weather, cold

temperatures in water, apparently.

>> Interesting. I don't know why.

>> Yeah, they even recommend like women's

cold plunges be slightly warmer than

men's.

>> H,

>> you know,

I don't know.

>> Yeah, that's the way that would be.

>> I don't know. Something about their

physiology that it might actually be

detrimental to do 34 degrees. That see

if you can find any data on that. You

know who's a great what's her name?

Suzanne Soberg, she's the one who

created the Soberg principle. She's one

Hubberman cites all the time.

Um, but I think there's something to do.

Maybe it's less muscle mass. You know,

your body has a more difficult time

heating itself up and, you know,

creating a thermal barrier. I don't

know.

>> Hubman is an example of a guy that I

deeply respect but struggle to

understand what he's saying.

>> Here it is. Uh, is this Suzan's? Did you

put this in perplexity? just asked

>> our wonderful AI sponsor, Perplexity.

Specific condition considerations for

women. Women tend to vaso constrict

faster and have larger drops in core

temperature.

>> Aha. Especially those in I don't know

what that is. Ludal phase.

>> It's Yeah. Their uh cycle.

>> The cycle. Oh.

Uh when progesterone is higher. So

extreme cold could be more stressful.

Very cold plunges near ice 35 to 45

degrees can cause big symptom

sympathetic and cortisol spikes that may

disrupt menstrual regularity and thyroid

function if overused. Oh, interesting.

Animal and limited human data suggests

cold can influence reproductive hormones

and cycles. Women with heavy cramps,

endro endometriosis,

uh firoids, and or on uh HRT

contraception should be cautious and

talk with a clinician first. Good luck

finding a [ __ ] clinician that

understands cold plunges, though.

>> And there's a picture of me in the lower

right.

>> It's probably what I look like when I

get my toe in. I just don't like it,

man.

>> Don't do it. You don't

>> hydrophobic, I think, is the correct

term.

>> You suffer enough. You suffer enough.

Um, so this book, the title is

drownproof. And you were saying before

we got started,

>> um, how many Navy Seals wind up

drowning? Yeah.

>> And, uh, that it's actually kind of

shocking.

>> It would be for a community that is

supposed to have their roots in a

maritime environment. I mean, the SEAL

community draws its origins from the

UDTs and the Scouts and Raiders. And

honestly, up until 911, it was one foot

in the water and one foot on land. Like

every operation would start in the water

and then you could go onto the land but

you'd probably go back into the water.

And almost all of the training we did

911 was based around water. Um and I

think let's see Jamie you could look

this up. Uh two seals recently drowned

on a shipboarding uh real world

shipboarding. Uh one guy it seems like

in the climb peeled off the ladder and

went into the water and somebody saw him

and went in with him because of the

concept of being a swim buddy. Never to

be seen again. Oh

>> yeah. Um

>> do they know what what happened to them?

Like how

>> I mean it's uh Yeah. 2024 in the Arabian

Sea. Uh

>> oh. So he fell off a ship.

>> Yeah. So they were approaching a vessel.

I mean there's a couple ways that you

can get on a boat. You can come from a

boat and you can climb up or you can go

to from a helicopter and fast rope down

or they could land depending on how big

the boat is. So they were coming up

alongside. It's it's called an underway

or a VBSS. Visit board search and

seizure is the technical military term

for it. And on the climb up the ladder,

um, the guy peeled off, fell off the

ladder and another one went in with him

as his swim buddy. If they immediately,

and there was, and it maybe still is an

ongoing investigation from my

understanding, they saw their head maybe

one time up and then they were gone.

Their bodies were never recovered. So

that would seem to be that they were

wearing negatively buoyant equipment.

So, they were drugged down and they

probably were not able to activate their

uh life jackets in time, which is super

unfortunate. But the water doesn't give

a [ __ ] who you are and how much of a

badass you are. I think it's one of the

most gnarly environments on Earth.

>> It really is. Every time I go in the

ocean and I swim in the ocean, there's

this feeling like I think I can make it

to shore, but I might not be able to.

Like if you jump off of a boat and

you've got like a couple hundred yards

to shore. Yeah,

>> as you start swimming, you start

swimming like, I'm fine. I'm fine. Oh

boy, my heart is going pretty fast here.

I'm breathing pretty heavy. That's a

long way. I'm moving very slowly.

>> Yeah.

>> Like, what if I can't do this?

>> These are real positive thoughts to have

mid swim here, Joe.

>> Yeah. Not good. Not good. Yeah. It's

only happened to me a few times, but you

know, my friend Greg actually had to

save a woman. He was on vacation. and

you saw a woman getting caught in the

tide and she was getting pulled out and

>> Oh, like a rip tide.

>> Uhhuh.

>> They never Those things will pull people

out never to be seen again. People don't

So I live up in northwestern Montana and

a lot of the Flathead Lake, the largest

freshwater lake west of the Mississippi

is right where I live.

>> And Glacier National Park, tons of

snowfall and so it's glacially fed

rivers that feed into Flathead National

Forest or not Flathead National Forest,

the Flathead Lake. And boating is a huge

summertime activity and it people come

travel from all over the world to come

to Montana to see G&P Glacier National

Park and every year people are drowning

in these rivers and I don't know it's

dangerous but it can be avoided but it

seems as if they just do not have

respect for even medium moving water.

They have no no exposure to it. They're

not used to be ining to being in that

water and they don't look at it and

realize like that'll kill me. so

incredibly fast and every year people

are going into that thing and dying

every year.

>> Well, it makes sense also that it's so

[ __ ] cold. That water is you're got

glacier streams.

>> Yeah.

>> It's like Remy rescued a lady from that.

You know, Remy Warren Yeah. Remy

actually saw a boat uh that had capsized

and saw like gear floating by and saw a

woman that was struggling and I believe

her partner died. No, I'm sure her

partner died. and and he jumped in

freezing cold river and rescued her. And

he was like, there's a bunch of moments

during there was like I am not going to

make it. I'm going to die trying to save

this lady.

>> Which happens when people get close to

that point, you they're going to in your

best attempt to save them, they will try

to use you as a life raft, climb all

over you, and the next thing you know,

two people are gone instead of one,

>> right?

>> Yeah. The water the water will eat your

lunch, man. It's it's wild.

>> But you would think we spend so much

time training in the water that it

wouldn't happen. There's I mean there's

diving accidents. There is there are uh

deaths in training. Um

>> how often does that occur? Deaths in

training.

>> Oh, probably about every 5 years. And uh

it sucks. And what I'm about to say

people won't understand, but I also

think it's essential.

I don't want it to happen, but I think

it probably is essential that it does

every once in a while

>> because the training has to be so

difficult that you get to the brink. You

have to train people for the job that

they're going to be asked to do. And the

training

standards need to be a directly

downstream reflection of what the career

is going to be.

>> And and I and I I don't have the

vocabulary to describe how bad I feel

for the families. And I'm, you know, I'm

not trying to minimize anybody's death,

but you will lose more people in the

real world execution of the job if you

don't make training that difficult than

you will by making it that dangerous,

knowing that it's going to be that

dangerous and that people will die. That

will have a positive impact on people

surviving the actual job itself.

>> That completely makes sense. Um, that's

just the realities of life. Yeah, some

jobs are very unique and some jobs have

very unique requirements and you have to

train for that or it's it's it's going

to either come from you on the the front

end of that or the or the tail end of

that. That's the balance of which one of

those are you going to focus on?

>> Which is why the lowering of standards

is so [ __ ] dangerous. And when it's

talked about like the lowering of

standards to make it fair for some

applicants, like there's no fair in that

job. I've never seen a bullet change

trajectory because uh it noticed what

you had between your legs and wanted to

go be more fair and equitable to

somebody else.

>> Yeah, it's it doesn't matter in those

moments.

>> Nor does the ocean give a [ __ ] Period.

>> No, I don't believe it does. Does not

give a [ __ ] But it's it's so weird when

we try to apply these workplace equity

considerations to something that's is

like lit I can't think of a job that

requires more of you than war. Like

there is there's this is literally life

or death and taking life. There's no

there's no job that requires more of

you. And so you would just automatically

assume the standards, especially for

special operations guys, have to be the

most stringent possible. You have to

weed out all the [ __ ] Like you can't

have any [ __ ] in you at all. There's

got to be none. No quit, no nothing. And

that's there's only one way to do that.

It has to you have to make a bunch of

people quit.

>> A lot of the times the people who are

bottomlining the policy changes don't

have a direct impact in the training

pipeline themsel or the execution of the

job,

>> which is crazy.

>> Yeah. I mean, the military is a

bureaucratic system. Even in the special

operations world, even at like the

J-sock level, people would be it never

really makes the movie the amount of

paperwork that you end up doing. Like

you go on a trip and you have to collect

your receipts and do your travel claim

and all this other BS. It's all just

[ __ ] blowing up and you know, you throw

a grenade and it's a fireball the size

of a 55gallon drum of gasoline and yeah,

then there's two days sitting in front

of a computer typing out all of your

administrative stuff because of all the

bureaucratic restraints that are still

involved in all of that. That doesn't

seem smart.

>> Uh it's just the way the military system

works.

>> Now, is that to

somehow or another mitigate potential

actions that should not have been done

because you have to be so documented.

Everything has to be so laid out. Like

>> I mean there's a lot of even like the

equipment that you wear oftent times

well almost all of it is going to be

serialized. So you were issued that

equipment. You're responsible for it.

There's paperwork that goes for being

issued that if you lose it, which does

happen, and it's not going to be career

ending, like if if you went out for a

week in a row and you're like, "Hey, I

uh lost my night vision goggles again.

I'm gonna need another set of those."

You might have a problem. Uh but [ __ ]

happens and people lose gear. But, you

know, night vision, weapons, ordinance,

ammunition, like a lot of that stuff is

serialized. And so, it's just the

bureaucratic way that even at that

level, you still have to keep track of

all of that stuff.

>> You think they should hire somebody else

to do that? They do, but oftent times

you are in small units very isolated by

yourself and so you still have to

maintain like even in the middle of

nowhere, you're still going to have to

maintain the paperwork aspect of all the

stuff that you take with you.

>> God, that's kind of crazy.

>> Yeah,

>> that seems like an unnecessary

distraction to an already very insanely

difficult job.

>> I mean, I'm not saying we do the

paperwork well.

>> I mean, come on, Joe. There's a reason

why the DoD has never passed an audit,

but I mean, ever.

God, I know the Pentagon, like how many

years in a row has the Pentagon failed

their audits?

>> Like 700.

>> It really is kind of bonkers.

>> I believe the Marine Corps is the only

branch of the military that has ever

actually done a legitimate audit and

passed.

>> Really?

>> Those guys are tightened up, man. Those

guys, God, I love Marines. They are the

best.

>> Shout out to the Marines.

>> They are the best, man.

>> Wow. They the only guys who pass the

audits. That's crazy.

>> Yeah. Yeah. The rest of us are just out

there like

I think I got it with me.

>> But the problem with that is once you

don't pass audits and there's a history

of you not only not passing audits but

not being punished for not passing

audits, that opens up the door.

No. The Pentagon has never passed never

passed a full clean departmentwide

financial audit of as of the latest

audits. Defense Department is the only

one of 24 major federal agencies that

has never passed a full financial audit.

Hell yeah.

>> So, it's only been going on since 2018.

So, no big deal, guys. It's only eight

years.

>> Yeah, that's only a few trillion

dollars.

>> Whatever. Whatever. It's fake money

anyway. They just make it. Uh, that's

pretty crazy.

>> Well, the budget is interesting in the

military. So, they go off a fiscal year

from October 1st. And look at this. Hold

up. Look at this statistic. The

Pentagon's own audit materials have

pointed to a target of around 2028

financial year to achieve to finally

achieve a clean departmentwide audit

contingent on fixing long-standing

accounting and systems problems. Imagine

if like the the IRS calls you up and

says, "Andy, uh, you didn't pass your

audit. You I think I can get it in 2028.

I'm on a lower trajectory towards this

target you want to be at. You want me

like this? I'm like this. I can get

there in about 2 years.

>> Yeah, they're like reasonable.

>> Let's just take all your money between

now and then.

>> Oh god. No, we don't need to do that.

Let's give you a bigger budget to work

with.

>> I wonder if that uh answer takes into

account what's going on currently in the

world because I feel like we're running

through some inventory that might have

to be tabulated.

>> Seems like there's probably a lot of uh

ordinance that's been a lot of it does

sit around for a while. So, there is an

argument to expending it. I am not in

any way, shape, or form.

>> It could go bad. It's like tomatoes. You

got to eat them.

>> Not exactly like tomatoes.

I suppose a grenade is slightly tomato

shaped, but

a J dam looks nothing like a tomato.

>> What do they do? What I mean, just I

don't know if this has ever happened.

What What do they do if whe whether it's

missiles or any weapons have been

sitting around too long and you

is there an expiration date?

>> There probably is. And uh I mean I've

been there when we have literally burned

like rifle ammunition, large stockpiles

of rifle ammunition.

>> Really? Yeah.

>> Because if it's sitting around too long,

there comes the possibility that it's no

longer effective.

>> Uh man, this was a while ago. I think it

was more that once we got issued it, we

were expected to expend it all. So we

were not allowed to take it back to base

with us. So we were

>> Oh, that's hilarious. Oh,

>> that's even dumber.

>> You want You want some funny stories?

Talk to Evan sometime. I bet you he's

had this experience. So, there's a uh a

weapon called the Carl Gustaf that if

you shoot too many of these things, it's

in the manual, it'll start separating

the lining in your lungs from your body

because you're just it is just this

massive

projectile and you'll go out and do

these training evolutions and they'll

say, "Yeah, here we are. The Carl G, do

not stand behind this bad boy when it

goes off."

>> So, how many can you shoot before it

separates the linings of your lungs? I

believe the warning is somewhere around

six.

>> Jesus Christ.

>> Oh, Joe, you'll go out to training

evolutions and there'll be five guys and

there's a pallet of ammunition and

they'll say, "You're not leaving here

until all these are shot."

>> Oh my god.

>> And you're you're cracking off Carl G's

until you have a nose bleed. Or you'll

go out there, they have like law rockets

or uh you know uh when I first went

through was M60 ammo. They're like,

"Yeah, but you guys the training is not

over until you guys shoot all this."

Like, "Yeah, but we totally did

everything we're supposed to." Yeah, we

understand that. But just go ahead and

lay down on the line and shoot these

thousands of rounds of ammunition at

whatever you want to because it's been

issued to you. So now you need to go

expend it.

>> Can you show me one of those things

going off, Jamie?

>> Carl G's. I want to see what what it

looks like.

>> I'm trying to talk my wife into naming

our next dog Carl G.

>> I shot a 50 caliber once and I was like

>> like a Barrett.

>> Yeah. I was like,

>> how'd that feel?

>> Boom. Like your whole body just goes

boom.

>> Yeah. So, this is a twoman evolution

here. Look at the size of that bad boy.

>> [ __ ]

>> Close it. Lock it. He's checking the

back blast. This guy's like, "Fuck, I'm

about to lose my teeth."

>> Here we go. Oh, did you shoot it?

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, I didn't see it.

>> It's supposed to be essentially

recoilless. It doesn't feel

>> Why didn't they show it?

>> They did.

>> Will it show it again?

>> That's That's the uh back blast right

there.

>> Oh, yeah. So, he doesn't even move.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, when he was pulling the trigger,

that wasn't loaded. That was a fake shot

of him showing how you pull the trigger.

>> Oh, okay. We'll see if there's more

video. I just want a better shot of it

actually going off in his arms.

>> Let me see what it looks like.

>> Ready for fire.

>> Here we go.

>> Back area clear.

>> Well, he looks [ __ ] nervous. Yeah.

Look at him breathing.

>> Firing. Firing. Firing.

Oo.

>> Oh my goodness.

>> Oh yeah. Air burst. You can set these

suckers. You can twist the uh the

warhead to set a delay on the thing. You

can have it air burst. Like if they're

trying to play hide-and-seek with you on

a wall.

>> See, this is the argument for those

little robot dogs. Cuz you put one on

one of them little robot dogs and have

that thing shoot it. And that way you

don't have to lose the lining of your

lungs.

>> I don't know if a robot dog could handle

that thing.

>> Really? What about one of them big robot

dogs? I don't know if the answer is just

make it bigger. Probably. I'm sure

there's the size of robot dog that can

handle that.

>> I mean, you would imagine. I mean,

>> but then you would need a a friendly

other robot dog to reload it for him,

>> right? But that would be possible. That

would totally be possible. Or the robot

dog has like arms in the back.

>> Yeah,

>> that can do it.

>> Oh, that was a training round.

>> Nice little rifle barrel. Yeah.

>> Oh, that's crazy. That's cool to see.

What a great shot. Imagine standing

there taking that shot, though. [ __ ] all

that

>> as a dude's loading around into it. All

that reach the camera for that one.

>> Yeah. Good lord. Yeah.

>> No. Next time you're sitting down with

Evan, ask him like, "Hey, did you ever

>> at the end of Training Evolutions ever

have extra ordinance and ammunition that

you had to uh dispose of?"

>> That's crazy. They just make you blow it

up.

>> Yeah. His answer will be yes. Then he'll

just start laughing.

>> So, if you have to do it outside of

shooting, how do you do it?

>> You can blow stuff in place. Like you

can make a large pile of stuff and you

know layer

>> something at it.

>> Uh probably on fire.

>> You can actually light ammunition on

fire. It'll go off. And if outside

>> what direction?

>> Well, outside of it being compressed in

the chamber of a gun, which you know, if

you if you uh think of like an AR

platform rifle, when the round is in the

magazine, it gets pushed forward by the

bolt and it's being held by all sides

except for down the barrel. So all of

the pressure is pointed in that

direction, which is what propels the

bullet down the barrel. If you remove

that, it kind of just explodes in place.

I'm not saying it's safe to like stand

around and like have a beer while you're

watch like from me to you,

>> right?

>> We would be on the other side of a burn,

but it sounds like popcorn going off.

>> Oh, okay.

>> And then for other stuff, you can layer

explosive charges on top of it and

probably get all of it to go high.

>> God, it seems insanely wasteful. It

seems like you should be able to say,

"We achieved what we needed to achieve

in our training. Here is our excess

ordinance that we could use in the

future."

>> Mhm. Yeah. you just haven't spent enough

time around the military.

>> Uh well, that's been explained to me

about budgets that if you do not meet

your budget, you get in trouble because

then they can't ask for the same amount

of money next year.

>> So, I heard that every year that when I

was in and September was a fantastic

month to be in the military because

that's when they because the budget year

is October 1 to October 1. So September,

the bean counters really start taking a

look at what they have left.

>> And they'd say, I was a supply rep for a

short period of time, meaning I was I

was a little cog in the wheel of

supplying stuff to the guys. They're

like, "You need to spend $100,000 in the

next three hours on shoes,

which let me tell you, REI is happy to

take your money. REI.com will run that

card." And I and you always would hear

this,

>> if we don't spend it, we're going to

lose it. But I never actually saw that

tested. I don't know if you actually

would get in trouble.

They just always assumed that you would.

So you ran that sucker down to bankrupt

and then October 1st you're good to go.

>> Wow.

>> So here's a good question in terms of

like shoes.

>> When your missions involve a bunch of

different types of terrain, bunch of

different like is it do they favor a

lighter weight shoe that's more of an

all-purpose shoe? Because like I

couldn't imagine you would be wearing

like like a crispy mountain boot with

like high leather. Yeah,

>> it Well, so it depends.

>> You vary.

>> You got to have a wardrobe, Joe.

>> Right.

>> Being good at your job is second only to

looking good while doing your job. So we

trust me, I've sent people back to Hel

like your top and bottom are matching.

We're not doing this. Go change.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. You have to look the part. It's

equal to your professionalism and

tactical ability.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah. Maybe perhaps I was a little bit

picky on that, but I don't I don't want

to clash on the battlefield. You need to

look good.

So like you can't have everybody looking

awesome and then what like you look like

[ __ ] Go change your outfit out.

>> Yeah, you have orange boots on, dude.

What are you doing?

>> Yeah. Uh the boots you could I mean you

take uh a Pelican case or a box, you

have a tool for every job. So if you're

going to go up in the mountains, if

you're going to go like northeastern

Afghanistan, you're going to wear a

different type of shoe for sure. If

you're in Iraq in an urban environment,

you're gonna wear probably the lightest

weight. Um, like the I forget who makes

them, but like the speed cross shoes.

Uh, and those things are I mean that you

might get two months out of those. So,

you'd bring a couple pair. You're going

to bring some uh footwear that if you

needed to go into the water, like not

swim around in the water, but pass

through water or

>> those like Solomon's is that Solomon

Specross or Yeah. And the soles on those

things, they don't last very long. But

again, when you get 100 grand to buy

shoes for 3 hours, you can buy, you

know, extras for people. So, you kind of

have a it's just like all the rest of

the gear. You have cold weather gear,

you have desert gear. And the coldest

I've ever been is actually in the desert

because of the super high high and then

the super that swing

>> was way colder than like in mountainous

terrain

>> like the moon.

>> Yeah. But I mean, so you when you lay

out your stuff like before every

deployment you get ready to go on,

you're laying your stuff out. You

probably have two tables like this with

all like desert,

woodland, cold weather, layering system,

shoes, different uh loadbearing

equipment, different back and then you

just lay it all out, put it into a bag,

and then you're doing the best you can.

Then you're kind of just packing, you

know, for what comes up in front of you.

>> And you're just ordering stuff from REI

for real

>> sometimes. Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> So, not everybody, not not everywhere.

The conventional teams are very limited

in their ability to do that. At a JSOK

level, you have a little bit more room

and flexibility to source from outside

vendors.

>> So, you would go for the best possible

tool for the job

>> 100% of the time.

>> Yeah.

>> Y

>> instead of just get military issue.

>> Correct.

>> Yeah.

>> I got the dumbest question for you about

this is the dumbest question. Um, have

you heard of the story of the Kandahar

giant?

Are we talking about an actual giant?

>> Uhhuh.

>> No.

>> How did you hear the story about a

candard giant?

>> There's a crazy thing called the

internet.

>> How did you have that?

>> I may spend less time on the internet

than you guys.

>> And if you have a good algorithm, and by

good, I mean [ __ ]

>> Yeah.

>> Uh you get So,

>> oh my visual representation, obviously

not an actual picture. Yes. So, there

was a story that uh what is the guy's

name that was on Jesse Michael's podcast

recently? Tim,

>> I don't remember. I'll check.

>> Uh so,

supposedly

there was a giant that engaged US troops

in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and uh in a

very remote area. And this guy was shot

and killed and medevaced out of there or

you know helicoptered out of there and

uh there 12 foot giant Tim uh Alberino

>> and he was is was he telling this story

as if he was there or he heard this?

>> There's never a guy who was there

stories. There's apparently one guy who

has his face covered up in one of these

videos that I watched is like one of the

blurry like you know like a a witness to

a mob scene. Yep.

>> And so his

>> that's how you know they're legit

>> 100%. Thank you. I think the same way.

That's why I sent it to all my friends.

Um, but he was telling the story from

people that he talked to that were

there.

>> See, and here's the thing. I want

stories like that to be true.

>> Me, too.

>> I still am just waiting. Same thing with

aliens. God, I so deeply want it to be

true. I just need somebody to hold up an

actual piece of evidence

>> and say, "This is what I'm talking

about." Instead of, "I saw I know

somebody who was read into. I had a

buddy who got engaged by a giant or they

like, okay, where is it?

>> Right.

>> And until then, I I got a real hard time

believing that.

>> Oh, I'm with you. But I also want to

believe, which I know clouds my vision.

>> I just think it makes you hopeful.

>> It gets me to a certain point and then

the po like there's a point where my

logic kicks in and I'm not willing to go

any further and that's Bigfoot.

>> Yeah. with Bigfoot. I'm like, I know too

many guys that are in the woods all the

time.

>> And let's not forget the game cameras

they often leave behind.

>> That's right.

>> Like millions of game cameras. Come on.

>> At this point, like I could have bought

it in the 1960s. Like maybe, who knows?

Before drones, before satellites, before

this, before that. And you know, there's

good arguments that you wouldn't find

the body because like you and I have

hunted in the mountains many, many

times. I've never seen a mountain line

skeleton. Have you?

>> No.

>> No.

>> No.

>> I don't know anybody who has. I've seen

mountain lions. I've never seen a

mountain lion skeleton. I've never seen

a bear skeleton. I'm sure people have

found them.

>> Yeah.

>> But I haven't. And we know there's a

[ __ ] ton of mountain lions and a [ __ ]

ton of bears. So, if there was a very

small population of primates, it's not

inconceivable that you wouldn't find

their body, especially if they were in

some way advanced to the point where

they were burying, they're dead, which

is, you know, it's not outside the realm

of possibility. If they have a language

of like, who knows what these things

are. Uh, but no, I just that doesn't I

think it used to be real and I think

there's real evidence of that.

>> I want it to be.

>> No, there's real evidence. There's a

thing called gigantopithecus.

It was a uh 8 foot plus tall bipeedal

homminid that existed in Asia and it's

in the orangutang family and there's

like uh recreations of what it looks

like standing next to a human. It's huge

but that just makes sense. I mean there

used to be giant woolly mammoths. There

used to be giant sloths. The the idea of

a giant primate is not inconceivable.

It's like size is all relative anyway.

our idea of what's big compared to a

[ __ ] giraffe or this it's all it

doesn't you know if you have enough

resources and there's enough food for

these things they live in a lush

tropical environment or a lush

wilderness environment it's not

impossible to think that something would

get way bigger than a gorilla but for

that thing to exist today so that oh god

>> yeah that's what it used to look like

>> so I think that is probably what all

these

ancient myths are based on that's

probably what used to exist. So it was

bipedal which is also interesting and

that's based on its jaw structure.

>> Here's a question for you that you uh

the species burying themselves. These

are intrusive thoughts that I have and

can't get out of my head.

>> Why don't we bury people vertically to

save space?

>> That's a good question.

>> Wouldn't you get more square footage? A

>> lot more.

>> Yeah.

>> Be harder to make a six foot tall hole

or you know for a tall person.

>> I feel like they make oil drills that

could I mean I'm not saying that they do

now. Yeah,

>> but back in the day it'd be easier to

someone's laid down just roll them over

into the hole.

>> I mean,

>> but because a 6ft deep hole that's like

6 ft long.

>> Joe, I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just

saying

>> in today's world, yeah,

>> I think we can evolve.

>> Well, here's even weirder. You know, you

have to imbalm people before you cremate

them.

>> Why?

>> Exactly. My friend Joey Diaz says it's a

racket because he knew a guy who ran a

funeral home.

>> The big inbalming market. Well, it's all

a racket. The whole funeral home thing

is a racket. They know, look, your

family member dies. You have to bury

your family member. You're in grief. And

then they try to sell you on some

[ __ ] fancy coffin. They sell you on

this and sell you on that. But the

imbalming is it's mandatory.

>> I did not know

>> at least for some places cuz I know that

some people are trying to do what they

call natural burials and I don't know

what the regulations are on like let's

find that out. Well, I'm already there

are upright they called upright burials.

It is a thing.

>> They do exist

>> in the US though or is this some like

Nordic country?

>> There's a cemetery that does it already

and I was trying to look up more

information on it.

>> Probably a bunch of cheapies who don't

>> already that I can give

>> I'm just thinking about like most of

them have fences so like maximum square

footage utilization.

>> Right. That makes sense.

>> Yeah.

>> The gravity's an issue a little bit.

Keeping it in the I don't know. There's

just stuff.

>> Gravity's an issue.

>> Gravity's not going to be an issue.

First off, once you're in that coffin,

nothing good's happening. So vertically

or horses. Oh,

>> how does it that doesn't make sense.

What kind of gravity is he just drop

them in the hole?

>> I think the family

>> be like this like like slide it down in

that hole.

>> I think they're saying the family

doesn't like the idea that they're going

to be compressed into a small amount in

the bottom of the coffin.

>> Not like a science issue. I think

>> Well, they're [ __ ] dead. You know,

you know, the the most gnarly way they

bury people or the most gnarly funeral.

>> Well, they're still alive.

>> No. Well, they're dead.

>> Well, I'm saying that would be the most

gnarly, right? Most gnarly postmortem is

the Tibetan sky funeral. Do you know how

they do that?

>> No.

Vultures. They literally break the body

up, chop it up into chunks, and the

vultures know it, and so they prepare.

So the vultures are all hanging around

waiting. Wow.

>> It is a a tradition in Tibet with at

least certain people to get rid of their

bodies that way. And the idea is that

look, the person's dead. this is a more

natural way, you know, and they'll cycle

back into the ecosystem the way it's

supposed to be with all animals. We're

the only animal that opts out of like re

rejoining with all biological life

because it's supposed to be a biological

body deteriorates underground that feeds

the soil that feeds you know whatever

animals feast on its bones and then

becomes all part of this big beautiful

cycle. And we're like, nah, we've got

some chemicals laying around we'd like

to fill the veins up with to make them

completely poison so that they never

deteriorate or they just slowly turn

into gelatinous sludge

>> by state it looks like.

>> Okay, so it says burial burial burial.

Why is that word weird to me right now?

Burial is uh regulated by state by state

uh city county zoning. There's no

federal rule that specifies body

position, horizontal versus vertical.

Um, what are the laws in terms of

imbalming?

Green or natural burial, simple shroud,

no vault, minimal disturbance is legal

in all 50 states, but only in locations

that comply with state and local rules.

>> Green or natural burial

>> from water sources would be a big reason

for that.

>> Oh, interesting. So, you don't want

people to rot. But what about cows? Cows

can rot, you know, like a dead coyote

just rots.

>> Yeah, but we don't want to eat people.

>> Yeah, but it's

>> drink them either,

>> I guess. Well, it didn't No, I was

watching this uh documentary about this

family where uh the kid, his dad was a

serial killer, and the dad would throw

people in a well, and he had to help him

when he was young. His dad would kill

people and then throw them down the

well. First time he did it, he said, I

think he was a young boy when his dad

first took him to get rid of a body and

throw it down a well.

>> Not all Yeah. How many people

>> bonding experiences are created equal?

>> How many people have died drinking well

water that was polluted by a dead body?

>> Hopefully not that many.

>> What' you find, Jamie?

>> No, I'm just That's disgusting.

>> Have you thought through your end of

life? Have Do you have uh Have you told

people?

>> I would like to not be embalmed. I would

like to just be buried in the ground and

be absorbed naturally like everything

else.

>> Do you have that written down anywhere

though?

>> No, I don't care. Once I'm gone, figure

it out or I don't give a [ __ ]

>> Well, there's an argument to help

figuring it out for those left behind so

it makes it easier.

>> I don't want to make things easier when

I'm gone. I want you I want it to be

complicated as [ __ ] I want them to be

arguing over my will.

Well, I I only asked because we had to

think through this stuff because you do

like a review of your will every time

and you know final requests I guess it

would be. So you had to think through

that stuff.

>> Jamie, top scroll.

>> Uh so for direct cremation, no public

viewing, cremation within a few days.

Body kept refrigerated. Inbalming is

generally unnecessary and not legally

required in most states. But the thing

is it's it's most of the time it's done

according to my friend Joey whose friend

at least it was in the past whose friend

ran a a funeral home. The guy was

telling him what a [ __ ] scam it all

is.

>> It's just you're just charging people

for all this stuff.

>> It probably it's just like anything

else.

>> Here it is. Many funeral homes require

inbalming for presentation and public

health reasons if you want a public

viewing or an open casket uh before

cremation.

Oh, who does that?

>> Some jurisdictions or airlines may

require inbalming for long distance or

international transport

>> or if there's a long delay before

commission. Well, that makes sense

>> cuz if you don't inbalm it, you're going

to stink up the whole [ __ ] plane. US

law jet I I mean, I'm sure you've

smelled dead bodies before, but the

first time I ever smelled a dead body, I

was a little kid and someone died in our

apartment building. It was crazy. You'd

walk down the hallway and the [ __ ]

smell that was it was me and my cousins

and my sister. We were walking down the

hallway like what is that? We were

probably like six. It was this insane

smell and it turned out this lady was

just living by herself died and so she

was just rotting in this apartment

building.

>> You think you still recognize it to this

day?

>> It's very unique.

>> Is it? Humans are very unique smell as

opposed to a regular animal. Well, the

the mechanism of death can change, I

guess, a little bit.

>> Sure.

>> But in general, Yeah. a couple days

later, like they all kind of smell the

same.

>> I've heard Yeah. I've heard humans are

uniquely gross in the way we smell.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's not awesome.

>> Yeah.

>> Not awesome to be around him.

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So this inbombing thing, um, so is that

not the case? Like is it where funeral

homes request inbombing before they

cremate you?

Also, here's another scam. According to

my friend, when you think you get your

family member ashes, you you get a bunch

of [ __ ] You get a bunch of ashes. You

get ashes from some [ __ ] [ __ ] guy

you don't even know. They don't care.

They just shove a bunch of ashes into an

urn. and you're like, "It's grandma.

She's she's here with us forever." But

it's not really. It's like

>> I hope that one's not true. That's

gnarly.

>> Yeah, it's true.

>> It's like the epitome of laziness.

>> I'm pretty sure it's true.

>> The question as though if the

requirement was coming from funeral

homes instead of law and that court

says, "Yeah,

>> most of the time, yes, the requirement

to inbomb before viewing or before

cremation is coming from funeral homes

or cemetery policy." Right. So, they're

trying to make more money. So, this is

what Joey was telling me about. Yeah.

So, it's not a federal requirement. FTC

says inbalming may be necessary if you

choose certain arrangements like a

public viewing, but the necessity is

based on the funeral home standards, not

a blanket legal mandate. So, the most

people probably don't know that. So, the

funeral home will tell you, "Oh, we have

to inbomb them first."

>> And you're in a pretty uh susceptible

and malleable mind space.

>> Exactly. That time. Yeah.

>> And they're just really used to it.

They're really used to it. They must get

they must get so accustomed to just they

don't give a [ __ ] There's bodies there

every day. People are always dying. They

just it's an opportunity to make more

money which is rough.

>> Yeah. You would like to think that

humanity wouldn't be like that but yet

here we are.

>> Yeah. Find out if uh well the other

thing is like you remember that Sam

Kenisonson bit? I don't know if you you

ever saw it.

>> I know who Sam Kenisonson is. I'm not

very familiar with his bits. one of the

greatest of all time. But he had this

bit about homosexual necriliacs who were

caught spending uh paying uh a bunch of

money to be alone with the freshest male

corpse.

>> What?

>> And it was this it was an actual true

story that he read in the news. But his

whole thing was like, imagine you're on

the slab. You're like, well, I'm dead

now. I'm going to be with Jesus. And

hey, hey, what? And he would be like

rocking back and forth on his stomach.

WHAT IS THIS? IT FEELS LIKE SOME GUY'S

GOT HIS DICK IN MY ASS. YOU MEAN LIFE

KEEPS [ __ ] YOU IN THE ASS EVEN AFTER

YOU'RE DEAD? IT NEVER ENDS. IT NEVER

ENDS.

You comedians are a unique bunch. Let's,

you know,

>> I'm glad you just got to do it.

>> I'm glad there's somebody out there who

can weave a story like that together and

have a meaningful message at the end of

it.

>> But there are there have been cases of

people getting like hot girls that are

freshly dead and [ __ ] them, getting

caught. Yeah, because humans are

horrible. The vast m I I try to tell

myself that the vast majority of humans

are trying to do the best that they can.

But I never forget that there are people

out there who are like that.

>> Sure. Yeah. There's people out there

that are gross. They're they're just

evil. I I was reading about this guy who

is an oncologist who got arrested

because he was giving people

chemotherapy that didn't really have

cancer because chemotherapy is uniquely

profitable for doctors. Yeah.

>> It's very profitable. So he was telling

people that they had cancer and they did

not and he was giving them chemotherapy

which I have a friend who died recently

and uh he went through the first round

of chemotherapy went into remission and

uh the chemotherapy was so bad that when

the cancer came back he decided to just

die.

>> That's how my mom died. She had survived

cervical cancer. It metastasized into

her lungs 10 years later. got on the

chemo, which I don't know what is in

that stuff, but they, you know, the

platinum treatment, whatever it may be,

and had the realization that she was

either going to die from cancer or she

was going to die from the chemotherapy,

and she chose hospice just because the

ride on the chemotherapy was so horrible

that she couldn't take it anymore.

>> My friend said that the pain of brushing

his teeth was so intense, like the sores

in his mouth from the chemo, and that

once cancer went into remission and then

it came back. And by the way, this

cancer came very quickly after

vaccination. It was one of those where,

you know, you can get into that all day

long if you want to really get into a

deep conspiracy theory that's got some

real facts to it. But there's something

called SV40

and they found SV40 and some of the mRNA

vaccines. SV40 is Simeon virus 40 and

it's a virus that was contracted that

people got because they used kidney

cells from monkeys in order to uh

cultivate these vaccines.

This is like known about for a long

time. And um in certain batches they've

tested positive for SV40, which is like

some just legacy material that they have

that they make vaccines out of. And uh

he was one of the lucky ones.

>> Sucks, man.

>> A young dude, you know, he's in his 40s,

early 40s, fit, young guy. Cancer came

on like a [ __ ] tidal wave.

>> Just a freight train mowed him down. How

much time did he have between diagnosis

and death?

>> Well, I got him connected with uh Gary

Brea and Gary Brea helped him quite a

bit and that's how he uh originally got

through it and it got over it. He was

okay again and you know went into

remission. and he said he's feeling

pretty good and then man wasn't more

than a year and a half two years later

it came back with a vengeance

and um he was dead just you know six six

months later it change how you view life

your own life when that happens close to

you

>> it's just shocking that healthy fit

people get something like that so and it

happens so quickly you know this is I

you know like I said my suspicions is

it's connected to the vaccine

>> and uh don't I don't think that

everybody who got that mRNA vaccine is

going to die of cancer. That's I I think

it's a contamination issue that some of

the batches had it and some of the

batches didn't. But and then some people

react very differently to whatever

whatever's in it. But with him, man, it

got him. And it's not uncommon. There's

there's a shitload of ignored cases of

what they're calling turbo cancer that

people have gotten after the mRNA

vaccine. Like it's it's barely a

conspiracy theory. It's more likely an

ignored inconvenient fact that these

pharmaceutical drug companies are trying

to ignore. Do you think they were trying

going upstream from that the

pharmaceutical companies or people that

were pushing to try to find what perhaps

they thought would be the fix to the

solution? Do you think that they were

doing the best that they could and just

their enthusiasm outstripped their

capabilities or they pushed stuff a

little bit too early or was it as deep

of as a conspiracy that people think and

that behind the scenes they're trying to

reduce overall global population?

>> I don't go that way. I don't go to the

reduce overall global population, but I

do understand why people would think

that because there are there have been a