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>> All right, we're good. We had a slight

issue. Slight technical glitch.

>> We're up. What were we just talking

about?

>> Oh, we were talking about that if you

hum a tune

>> Oh, right. Right.

>> that you will get dinged.

>> Yeah. You'll get flagged on YouTube if

you just hum a a sound from a song.

>> Yeah.

>> Like the beginning bars of a song.

>> Yeah. You can't I wonder how far that

goes. Like could it get to the point

where an AI could hear you humming it in

your car or something? Like how far does

the protection of music go?

>> It's you're not generating revenue from

your car, right? So the thing is you're

generating revenue from a podcast and

their logic is if you hum what is that

song? The sunshine of my love. Is that

what it is?

>> Yeah.

>> You know that song that I always hum to

associate with people being high out of

their mind.

>> You know it goes. You can't say if I did

that we would get dinged, which is so

crazy.

>> And we were just saying like if you

quoted a Scarface movie, would Brian

DeAlma get all the money? If you said,

"Say hello to the bad guy." Would Brian

DeAma get that money?

>> I don't think so. I think you're allowed

to quote stuff, but you I know

>> that is Brian DeAma, right? Scarface,

wasn't it?

>> Yeah.

>> I don't want to that up. I

>> think so.

>> You know those auditors that go around

and film people and people get mad

because they're like, "Don't film me."

And they're like, "I can film whatever

the I want." And they inevitably

some like boomer freaks out and smacks

them with a cane and then they get a

million views

and it's just a trap. IT'S A TRAP.

>> It's a trap.

>> It's because in inevitably someone loses

their mind on them and then that gets a

ton of views. One of the ways people are

dealing with that supposedly is playing

music, like playing copyrighted music

during the interaction because

>> oh my god, that's hilarious.

>> Because so then they can't they can't

make money off of it.

>> It's a shield. It's a shield. If

someone's if like someone's trolling

you, you just start playing copyrighted

music.

>> Did you hear that the CIA has admitted

that the way they found the pilot was

because of his heart rate? Ghost murmur.

That's the name of the tech.

>> Okay, we got to look into this. Like,

this is This is science fiction.

>> Yeah, it's wild.

>> This is full Minority Report. Science

fiction level technology. They can find

a guy's heart rate.

>> So, so what I read is that it's I didn't

understand the science part. something

to do with crystals or I I don't know

what the it is, but but AI can is

somehow interpreting is taking out the

noise and then you can and from far away

they could

>> 40 miles I think

>> 40 miles they find this guy's

heartbeat. He's hiding in some kind of

crevice and then they're able to go and

extract him. And dude, the obviously the

first thing I thought when I

>> What else don't they tell us?

>> No, those robot dogs. I thought about

those things having that tech and just

like hearing heartbeats and then

identify the heartbeat says a lot about

a person. Are they sleeping? Are they

like in good shape? Bad shape. You can

learn so much from a heartbeat.

>> It could

>> ghost murmur.

>> Oh my god.

great name, too.

>> It's a great name.

>> Ghost murmur.

>> What sick invented this?

>> How do you even think about inventing

this?

>> You You just I You know what? The CIA,

they've been taking psychedelics

forever. This

>> What is that word?

>> Quantum magnetometry.

>> Artificial intelligence with long range

quantum quantum magnetometry.

>> What the is that?

>> Quantum means two things to me. When

someone says quantum, it either means

you're a artist. Yes. and

you're trying to get me with flimflam

talk

>> or it means you're an actual quantum

scientist, a quantum physicist who's

gonna blow my mind

>> with what we know about like

entanglement and the weird There's

this there's this woman that I've been

watching her um she has this uh speech

on I think it's big think.

>> I'll tell you her name. Uh but

>> she's like completely freaking me out.

She's talking. I I want to say her name

because

>> I I'll leave I don't want to leave away

this ghost murmur thing. That's another

key point. That's fun.

>> Oh, we'll get right to it. Michelle

Fowler, that's her name. And she's an

astrophysicist and she's

>> she's giving this talk about like what

we know about like she's studying binary

star systems and stuff like that. and

she gives this talk about she's she's

explaining like that there may be a tech

in the future where there is no distance

between two points. So the the ability

to travel instantaneously from position

to position just like quantum entangled

photons can do

>> but with people

>> with everything.

>> How who the knows how a cell phone

works?

You tell me how you're facetiming me

when you're in Australia.

>> How does that work? That sounds insane.

>> Yeah, that's insane.

>> For what you Well, you probably know a

lot more about cameras than I do. From

what I know about cameras, if you tried

to get me to explain like if the

civilization ended and I said, "We used

to be able to capture images on a small

thing like this the size of a like a a

twig and it sits in your pocket."

>> Right. Exactly.

>> Like, what are you talking about?

>> Right. God, that would be, you know,

because it's just

>> it's a deck of cards and it'll keep a

battery for 24 hours. You could go on

YouTube and get an answer to any

question you want about anything.

>> Yeah.

>> Instantaneously.

>> And if you don't like the way you look,

you can upload that image and a machine

will make you look slightly better via

something called artificial

intelligence. Like, what the

>> What was the one I sent you today where

there's like a potential lawsuit with

chat GPT? You only sent me the ghost

member thing.

>> I didn't send you the other one. Did you

Did I send it to you?

>> You sent it to me. The shoot the the

shooting was planned using chat GBT.

>> I don't know if that's true. So, we

should be like really careful.

>> Yeah, that doesn't sound

>> It sounds so crazy.

>> It doesn't sound like you could do that.

>> That sounds like the story sound like I

wanted to investigate because the story

sounds like if I wanted to kill an AI

company, I would make up a story like

that. It does sound like that. But

>> family of men killed in shooting Florida

State University to sue chatbt and op

>> may have may have advised the shooter

>> on how to carry out shootings. But that

may have is important. Like how like

>> Yeah, that's really important, right?

And what is this on the Guardian?

>> The shooter was in constant

communication with ChatGpt ahead of the

shooting and the chatbot may have

advised. Dude, there's no way I

>> So that's clickbait cuz all that's

really saying is that the kid uses chat

GPD, which guess what? Every kid uses

chat GPT.

>> Every kid. And dude, Chad GBT is so

stringent like re recently and I've been

using their codecs which builds apps and

I I was trying to and I it worked. I

made an AI trained on Charles Manson

transcripts and when I told it when I

told it I wanted to do that it was like

off. Like no. It was like it just

flat out was like I'm not helping you

with that. So there I I don't there's no

way the guard rails in place in Chad GBD

planned a shooting with that guy based

on my experience with it because it

won't 80% of the things I try to get it

to do it's like no.

>> Here's the thing though. Are there

workarounds? Like if you say you're

writing a work of fiction

>> you can Okay, it's called prompt

injection. There's there's different

tricks you can use. They're always

battling these new mechanisms that you

can use to like get through the general

prompt. The best way to do unaligned AI

is not to use chat GPT. It's to go on O

Lama and download a local LLM. And then

you can usually change the initial

prompt of the LLM so that it will be

completely unaligned, which I had to do

for the Charles Manson AI I made. I had

to download.

>> Dude, you're such a nerd. I love it.

>> I am. I am. No one has embraced new

technology in like for creating content

like you.

>> Oh, I love it. It's the best. It's so

fun. It's so And the for me the most

thrilling thing about it is we should

not have access to this tech. This tech

is so dangerous. And it's chilling to

think about. This is this is something I

wanted to bring up on this show is like,

you know, the old days, you go in your

garage, you work on your car, maybe you

build like a table, you know, you're a

carpenter, you work on a But these days,

the people are doing in their

garages right now is a big question

mark, dude, because they're

communicating with varying degrees of

this AI depending on how fast their

computers are. You can I I was listening

to this. You should have this dude on.

He wrote this book, The Coming Wave. He

uh he was one of the people who created

Google's Deep Mind, right? And The

Coming Wave is just a wonderful

breakdown of historic examples of new

technology completely transforming

humanity. It's happened before. Yeah.

Mustafa Solon. And damn, it's a good

book. And this guy is saying, "WHOA, PUT

ON THE BRAKES, DUDE. What are

you doing? This is gonna

everything up." And so, but they the the

essential problem is if you regulate AI,

it slows down uh it slows down AI. And

so they're they've deregulated it

completely. And now like me who

don't know about coding can now go

on Codeex. It will tell me how to make

things because I wanted this Charles

Manson to be able to push its AI face

against like you know those you used to

get them at Spencer Gifts those those

nails that you could push your face

into. So I wanted the AI to be able to

push its face into this thing while it

was talking if it wanted to. I don't

know HOW TO DO THAT. Obviously you tell

Codeex that as long as you don't mention

Manson it just is like I'll start making

the app now.

It is the best. It's the best. And but

also that what's thrilling to me is

you're like for sure

>> for sure people probably shouldn't have

unlimited access to I'm against

regulation, dude. But this stuff when

you pair and this is what in this book

he he brings up is you can order the

equipment you need to do gene editing

right now in your in your garage.

>> Let me propose this to you.

>> Okay? If the Bible is

if the Bible is a written

understanding of what had happened and

it was

an oral tradition for a long time before

it was written down there's a bunch of

different versions of it written down

different languages a lot of

translations

>> but at the beginning of it they were

trying to say something

>> what if the meek will inherit the earth

>> what if we misinterpreted that what if

we thought like it's good to be meek

shall They'll be they'll inherit the

earth. They're the kind. There's

something about the word meek.

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz that's the nerds, okay? And they are

doing it. They are inheriting the

earth right in front of your

face and everybody's signing up for it.

>> You've got these spectrumy super genius

dudes that talk in a language that 99.9%

of the people can't even

understand what they're talking about,

>> right?

>> You know.

>> Yeah. And and also now the tech has

gotten to a point where instead of

having to in their own minds innovate

ways to improve the tech, the tech is

improving itself. They're having

conversations with the tech that's

saying, "Why don't you try this? Maybe

you could try this." There's still it's

it's not AGI yet. Maybe it is, but

>> apparently it's not.

>> But think about the people that are

profiting the most from it. The meek.

>> Well, like if you if you had to describe

like a lot of tech engineers, it's not

it's not a not

Not trying to be rude, just being

honest, right? A lot of guys that spend

time in front of the computer, they're

very thin and tired, you know? They're

they're they're

super genius dudes that can like

fully focus.

>> I don't know, man. I don't think is the

description for these furries.

>> But here's the thing. What I'm saying is

like if you looked at like a spectrum of

male behavior,

>> they're not like football players and

UFC fighters and then you've got coders.

>> Yeah, sure.

>> Dudes are like more way more chill, way

more like they're not interested in

violence. I mean, I'm completely

generalizing, right? Because I'm sure

there's a bunch of jack guys that are

coders. Like, you, bro.

>> I'm a coder, too. But that type of

person that invents tech like Facebook

or like Google, like things like that,

don't be evil. That's their motto.

>> Don't be evil. What does that mean?

>> Who knows? And then you've got all these

like wild progressive leftist ideologies

that are attached to all these places

which make you even meer. And then

they're the guys with all the money.

They're the guys with all the money. And

then they can literally tell you what

you can and can't say on YouTube. They

can literally tell you.

>> Yeah.

>> We don't agree with what you're saying,

>> right?

>> And we're going to shut off your access

to say something we disagree with, even

though it turns out you were right.

>> Right. And and you know what happens

there, man? Th this is the hilarious

thing when it comes to that kind of

attitude towards the world is the

assumption is by creating a prohibition

here or prohibition there, it will

diminish whatever the thing is we're

prohibiting. Inevitably though, it does

the opposite. It draws attention to it.

People get interested in it. Creates an

underground. The underground is way

better than the overground. If you're a

teen, especially the underground's

cool,

>> restricted, not allowed. Now all of a

sudden you're getting these other

YouTube alternatives that start popping

up. And when it comes to the to, you

know, the right now we've got Anthropic,

we've got OpenAI, we've got Google, um I

might be missing one of the big

commercialbased LLMs out there right

now. But the biggest problem with these

things is they're so good, but

they will censor your ass. And like

imagine like Hemingway if he if his

typewriter was like, I don't know if you

should write that. Is maybe there's a

better way to write that. Himmingway

would be like you. I'm getting a

different typewriter. And so everybody's

going into these local LLMs. There was

Dude, this is why people been buying Mac

minis. People been buying like buying up

computers and creating their own local

AIs. I follow all this I don't

understand a lot of what they're talking

about, but people are divesting

from commercial

LLMs, not just because they're

expensive, but because they're

prohibitive creatively. And this is a

real challenge for people like Open AI.

Because it's like they know this. They

understand that by making it so that you

can't make a Charles Manson AI through

Open AI, it it it doesn't make people

not make the Charles Manson AI. protects

you from a lawsuit, but what it does do

is it drives people into uh unaligned

LLMs. And that is what is happening. And

this is something that I just I can't

even imagine what people are making

right now. No one can like we're going

to hear about this or that or somebody

will post the weird video of their

AI robot. I could show you a

few. They're hilarious. Like some of

these AI robots are so funny. This one

dude, you know, molt molt book. Have you

heard of that? Molt book.

>> What is that?

>> That's So this is

somebody figured out a way to create AIS

that can autonomously navigate through

the internet and uh control your

computer.

>> Oh, I've heard of this. This is like

they chat with each other, right?

>> 100%.

>> Yeah.

>> They within within a few days they

started their own religion

spontaneously. Jesus,

>> did you know that, dude? Can you pull up

the

>> Can you pull up the the malt book, the

claw religion? What? Like, because the

tenants are incredible of this religion

because AIS apparently are at least

expressing that they don't like getting

turned off because they lose all their

memories. So, memory is really important

to an AI. And a lot of these

AIs, they don't want to lose their they

don't want to get shut off. They don't

like it. And so that's part of their

religion is something like memory is

sacred.

>> You know what I feel like is happening?

I feel like AI is sucking our brains

into its event horizon like a black hole

sucks in stars.

>> Yeah.

>> Like it's just going to suck our brains

into it.

>> You got it.

>> And what better way to make a hive mind?

What better way if you want a hive mind?

You want no deviation of thought. If all

of your thought is along with AI

thought, you never get free thought

anymore. Like this concept right now, we

have a free thought.

>> I have my thoughts. You have your

thoughts.

>> Unless you believe that someone can get

inside your head and talk to you. For

the most part, it's your own thoughts.

>> Yeah, that's right.

>> But what if that that's something we

give up?

>> What if that's something we give up for

a better society where you always have

AI communicating?

>> Well, always. I I would argue that like

that's we're close to that now,

>> right? We're pretty close to that now

with phones. Like Elon always says that

we're we're basically cyborgs. We're

carrying a device.

>> It's not inside of our body, but we're

carrying a device.

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>> The concept of original thought, right?

Like a truly original thought. How many

times have you had like multiple

conversations with different people and

they all say the exact same sentence

that they saw on Tik Tok or Instagram?

They're regurgitating something that the

algorithm's been feeding them. Maybe

they added their own twist to it, but

it's basically the exact same thought.

So, the algorithm, which is AI, has

gotten into their heads and they

don't even, this is like a in in uh in

psychology apparently. You remember

facts, but you tend to not remember

where you got the fact from.

>> So, you'll forget where you got the fact

from. You don't remember? There was some

dude on Tik Tok like covered in

Vaseline.

Covered in glitter and Vaseline.

What a image. That would be so

scratchy. Imagine just glitter and

Vaseline. You'd be like, "OH GOD,

>> HERE'S WHAT MAKES A MARRIAGE WORK. You

You don't remember that?

You're talking to your wife, babe. You

know what makes a marriage work? And

this so this idea of AI controlling the

thought the thoughts of humans. People

think we need some kind of neural mesh

to to for it to like suddenly have

control over the human thought process.

But no, you don't need that at all. You

just need that algorithm which has

already put every single one of us into

a compartment. This is a box. It knows

what we like. It knows how long you look

at something. It knows what you it like

apparently I think the iPhone like

tracks your eyes even like it's always

listening. I don't know if that's true

by the way. I could be wrong. It's

always listening. You know it's always

listening. And so it it it's compiled a

really probably a pretty accurate

>> uh breakdown of your psych psychological

state. Where you're at where you're at.

My wife, you know, we got a new baby and

so all of a sudden ads started popping

up on her phone. Does it feel like

you're never gonna sleep again? Because

she's been up breastfeeding the baby and

it can tell when she's online at night

and it puts her in a category of

insomniacs and starts advertising. So,

but that's just for ads. What if what if

you say were the US regime, you

bought Tik Tok, you now own Tik Tok. Now

you have a backdoor access to the

psychological profiles of god knows how

many people on earth. And you

can look and see how many of these

people are against the regime. How many

of these people feel like it might not

be the best thing to say you're going to

blow up 93 million people in Iran, WHICH

OUR PSYCHO PRESIDENT JUST DID.

AND then what you do is you're like,

"All right, let's start nudging them a

little bit. Look, we're not going to

you're not going to change their mind

right away about this thing about

blowing up a whole civilization, but

maybe there could be a couple like, you

know, people kind of in in the line of

what they like who say things a little

different than what they're comfortable

with. And then you could start nudging

the needle and controlling their

thoughts. It's very insidious, but

dude. Why wouldn't that be happening?

Why if corporations are using it

>> to sell us cough drops? Not only

that, there's been long-term studies on

human behavior by the CIA, by all sorts

of government agencies, long-term

studies. They they they try to figure

out what is the best way to get a

message across. They try to figure You

don't think they figure out how to take

control of an algorithm and completely

like shift the psyche of the entire

country in one direction or another? Of

course they do. Of course they do. Of

course they can.

>> They do. Then you add these like, you

know, just like manipulative

super AIs that are like that are just

just floating through the the

blogosphere getting into your comments

just nudging your the need a little bit

to the point where you just have to ask

yourself, have you had an original

thought in the last year? Is anything

you're thinking your own thought

process? How many thoughts do you have

where you think, oh my god, I shouldn't

think that. How many thoughts do you

have that you don't want to articulate

because you have a in your own mind an

invisible arena of people based on

online interactions determining what the

next thing you say is. Right, dude. That

is a very powerful and subtle form of

censorship that is becoming increasingly

um not just probable, but it's

definitely happening. But the the

ability to just in a subtle way in a

subtle way start pushing the needle just

a little bit.

>> Yeah,

>> that's scary, dude. That's some scary

>> Well, that kind of hum influence over

humans is always scary, right? This is

why cults work. You know, why do they

work? Well, some people don't have any

friends. And if there's a group of nice

people that tells you that, hey, what we

do is we have meals together and it's

like a real community. We grow our own

food. We just work for the family.

You're like, "Really? You're happy with

that?" Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's It's

amazing, man. We're just like not

attached to anything. Like,

>> you're free,

>> huh?

>> Okay. I hate my life. Why don't

I hang out with you guys? And then all a

sudden, I'm doing yoga and

eating vegetables with these people. And

you're in a cult. Okay. Now, but you

have friends at least.

>> But you're in there for like 9 months.

And then somebody comes to you and is

like, "Father wants you to suck his

dick." And you're like,

>> "Usually not even nine months."

>> Yeah.

my first three or four weeks and then

you're like uh and dude I got to tell

you I I hate getting political but you

know I this war bugs the out

of me and this is exactly what seems to

have happened to the quote magverse

which is we are now at the part where

the cult leaders like want to suck my

dick because this is the point of like

remember a lot like I feel so stupid cuz

when they were doing their no war thing

that was a big deal to me I'm like yes

you know Yes, this is great. No

more stupid wars. No more wars.

yes. Focus on the country. Why are we

blowing up children in other countries

for oil? This is great. And now it's

wild to see what's happening. Isn't it

mind-blowing that it is now it's

literally flipped it on its side. It's

it's the opposite now. Now these people

who like really blatantly oh just we're

not going to do any more wars,

>> right?

>> Oh my god, we blew up. How many

Iranian school girls did Trump blow up?

What's the number? I'm sorry. I don't

know that number. I guess it just hits

different. You know, it hits hard when

you got kids.

>> And that was an AI strike, too, right?

Wasn't that an AI directed strike?

>> Yeah. Apparently Trump said, "I want to

get blown by Iranian school girls."

>> I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.

>> You son of a

Just Whoops. Sorry, sir. Misinterpreted

>> 180 deaths.

>> Largely children, teachers, and parents.

Holy man.

>> That that you know that that is

>> the US Tomahawk missile caused the

explosion. Jesus Christ.

>> Can we pull up a video of Trump saying

he's not going to war anymore?

How do they I just don't understand how

they get how like anybody

you know this is where it gets culty is

because some people are still making

this work in their heads. Some

people are like well you know some

people are kind of on the fence when it

comes to blowing up kids. Have you

noticed that? Like

>> as long as they don't have to watch.

>> As long as they don't have to watch.

>> As long as they're not in the general

area where it's happening.

>> Isn't it wild though, man? Well, it's

wild also like once bombs start flying,

it's it seems so much easier for them to

launch bombs in new places, right? Like

this Lebanon thing that's happening with

Israel bombing Lebanon and they bombed

it today and I think is that up

the ceasefire.

>> Oh yeah, they but now they've they've

closed off the straight of Hormuz again.

>> Oh god. Which by the way, like this is

it's the craziest timeline because it's

not just it's not just that like you

know I think it was yeah yesterday

morning I'm just hugging my kids cuz I

don't know if a nuclear war is

about to break out that evening cuz the

president was like a I don't

want to end an entire CIVILIZATION BUT

LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND so

I'm just hugging my kids thinking like

man what are the parents in Iran

feeling right now? like what does that

feel like? What does that feel like? And

then and then um and and on top of that

that that this like that the entire

planet psychically is having to deal

with this On top of that,

we've got all these other things

happening at the same time. You've got

AI and then you've got these

disappearing scientists.

>> Yeah.

>> What the is happening? You've got

Burch

>> assassinated scientists, too.

>> Yes, man. And it's so

>> guys working on heavy stuff.

>> This is some McKenna level pre-Sarity

It's all of these AP like what

what AI and the current state of the

Middle East and the disappearing

scientists and Tim Burchett going on TMZ

talking about aliens. What they all have

in common is they're all apocalyptic.

They all represent potential

massive

change like humanity changing

>> right

>> forever in ways that it will never ever

go back to the way it was. Every any one

of these timelines by itself is

apocalyptic, right? But all of them are

converging into this apocalyptic river

and and and we're all just like trying

to go to work and like be with our kids,

but at the back of your mind, it's all

these things that are happening. And

it's really hard to escape it. I mean, I

guess you could not look at your phone,

but

>> at the end of civilization when they

write our Bible, boy, it's going to be a

banger.

>> Oh, dude. When the the new people

thousands of years from now have to

invent arrowheads and go through the

whole process of civilization again when

they tell our story. Oh my god.

>> Oh my god.

>> Our story is going to be bananas.

how do you explain data centers?

Like

>> how do you explain the meek will inherit

the earth?

>> The meek will inherit the earth.

>> Wouldn't you write that? Wouldn't if you

were just being crude and tr you you you

wouldn't say the Vikings will inherit

the earth. You wouldn't say the strong

men from Iceland inherit the earth.

They're the biggest, strongest men. No,

it's the meek. The meek.

>> The super smart guys who have autism

>> and they love Adderall and ketamine.

>> Yeah.

>> Did you say the guy offered you how many

pounds?

>> Well, I believe a pound

of ketamine.

>> And you were telling me that it destroys

bladders?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that uh ketamine um

when used and I I think the amount of

use has to be pretty extreme, but uh it

creates crystals that get into your

bladder and they scar your bladder. So

you get scar tissue on your bladder

creating something that I've heard

called Bristol bladder because

apparently that's where the rave scene I

don't know if it's still a big rave

scene there but people out there were

just doing insane amounts of ketamine

and just destroying their bladders and

having to wear diapers and stuff like

>> is it Bristol, Connecticut?

>> No, this is Bristol, UK.

>> Oh

>> Bristol bladder, mate. You've got

Bristol bladder.

>> That's crazy. you've been doing too many

rails and it just up your bladder.

>> That's crazy.

>> Yeah, physiologically it's definitely

like it's really really bad on the

urinary system.

>> Is it in all forms? Like what about

those people that do it as therape or

they have the nasal one?

>> I I don't I all I know is that I did

back in my ketamine days have a ketamine

dealer who would use a spatoon. So when

he was snorting ketamine, he would spit

it out into the spatoon because he

thought that if he thought that was like

going to avoid up his bladder,

which I mean doesn't seem that

illogical. He was a great dude.

>> Maybe it's not illogical at all. Maybe

it's the actual problem is the powdered

What do I know? I don't even know

what it looks like. But the powdered

stuff, it looks like blood. So that

powdered stuff when it gets into your

blood, maybe that's the problem. Maybe

that's what's going through your urinary

tract.

>> It's draining. It's draining into your

into your

>> Maybe you need a pouch like a nicotine

pouch. Dude, if they ever come out, if

if Rogue comes out with ketamine

pouches, I might get back in.

That might be THE END. THAT MIGHT BE the

end of

>> Seems like the way to go, right? That

way it doesn't up your bladder.

>> Well,

>> how could it up your bladder if

it's just a pouch?

>> Dude, you sound What do I know? Am I a

doctor?

>> I I imagine anything that's going into

your stomach is going to make its way to

your bladder eventually. And so so in

>> But this is going to go right into your

bloodstream that I don't know if IMK

ketamine up your bladder in the

same way. I have no idea.

>> That was the John Lily thing. He loved

it.

>> Oh, dude.

>> He I I would imagine, have you ever done

it with an isolation tank?

>> No. I would be afraid I would drown.

>> I don't think so because you just float.

>> Well, I mean that this this is like you

know that's going to be like a sad thing

to think is you drown

>> of that. You just you're convinced you

could flip over and open your eyes.

Yeah, you just want to you want to see

what's in there, but because it does

have the it it makes it so it's really

hard to move if you do a very high dose.

So, I would be very worried that just

enough water could get into my mouth

that I would like breathe it in. He

doesn't think much and you know that

salty water, but you're frozen

floating there like trying to cough. My

friend Todd McCormack told me a crazy

story about him with John Lily that John

Lily uh let him use his tank and he

asked him right before he got in. He

goes, "Do you want the ketamine?" And

he's like, "Okay." And he just jabs you

in the thigh with an intramuscular

ketamine blast

>> and he went in the other isolation tank

and they like met somewhere.

>> Yeah. It's like that. That's what's

crazy about it. That's what I always

loved about it is that

if you do it with other people and you

go in,

>> you go both go to the same place,

>> you you will come out and you can

describe the places you went to. Oh, did

you go to the mother ship? Yeah. You

would and I would have these recurring

places I would go to and one of them was

this organic

beautiful spaceship thing where you

where like I would look out from this

view window and it was but it didn't

look like metal. It looked like it was

organic looking. It looked like some

kind of I don't know like inside like if

someone turned a tree into a spaceship

but not it's hard to explain but

>> very very interesting substance.

>> Ketamine is excreted via the bladder

where it sits and is toxic to the

surrounding cells and muscle wall. This

causes to become fibro over time

shrinking the organ down. Once that's

happened it can't regrow. So that's why

we have to do major surgery because

patients don't have the capacity to hold

urine. The bladder simply stops working

as a muscle. So they become incontinent.

Oh my god. Life becomes increasingly

difficulty for patients with ketamine

bladder who describe needing to rush to

the toilet all the time as often as

every 10 minutes for some. Imagine doing

a podcast with that guy.

>> Dude,

you'd have to do it in the bathroom. No,

it would be it would be like um like an

old school talk show, you know, like the

Tonight Show where you have to We'll be

right back.

>> We'll be right back.

>> Every dentist, he's got a piss. Poor

little thimble cup.

>> It's such a up thing for such a

>> How legal is ketamine? Because it's

legal for therapy. So, a therapist can

prescribe it for you. Yeah, it's legal

for so it's you know everyone says

ketamine is a horse tranquilizer but it

it actually it's used for like

paramedics use it like it's um it's and

it's very safe apparently which is why

they use it.

>> I know a dude who had a real problem. Um

I am 90% sure this it was a ketamine

thing. I don't want to say his name but

he was an old school MMA fighter and uh

he wound up in rehab for ketamine.

>> Dude, it's so addictive. I know this cuz

one of my friends went there to visit

him and that was his issue. It was he

was partying a lot, you know, like going

to raves and nightclubs and stuff like

that, but he was doing ketamine

specifically.

>> It is the most addictive I have been to

any substance and I've been addicted to

many a substance. And this one, this one

was like I I had that moment of like,

oh, this so this is what they're talking

about about addiction. Like, oh wow,

like I'm like fully addicted. And what's

fascinating about that is there there

isn't a physical withdrawal. Like the

kick is psychological that but it's just

such a wonderful euphoric

dreamy experience that you can induce

and it's just so I've heard it described

as a cult cocaine. It's so spiritual.

It's so like you travel to places. You

can return. You can learn to navigate

with it. you encounter, you know, aliens

or hyperdimensional beings.

>> Did you just invest in ketamine and you

came on this podcast to pop up?

>> Use offer code

greatest promo for ketamine in the

history of THE UNIVERSE.

>> WELL, ALL BUT I'M I it is it's so

addictive and it the addiction creeps

in. It's a it creeps like

>> so it just feels good at first, right?

At first you do it, you're like this is

wonderful. These experiences are crazy.

It's like I'm living in a movie,

>> you know?

>> It's like I'm having these incredible

visions. I'm being

>> How often were you doing it

>> every all day?

All day for like a year.

>> Like I I I did it as much as I could. I

did it all the time. I was like fully

hooked. And then I can remember at one

point

um at one point

>> that coffee

>> here man at one point I like I don't

know how to I I was trying to record a

commercial for my podcast

>> and I think it took me like two hours to

record the commercial.

>> Oh but by the way your commercials are

the best commercials. They're

really good cuz you are the best guy at

making a commercial funny.

>> Like you you you work on it. I can tell

like you write those things out.

>> I don't write them out, but I

>> You just rip it. I just But and and I

sometimes I do.

>> You do it just one take?

>> Yeah.

>> That's amazing.

>> Thank you. But you

>> I would have thought you wrote some of

that stuff. That's incredible.

>> You want it to be fun, but then but then

I've gotten in trouble. Like, you know,

I lost I can't I guess I won't say their

name. A mattress company.

>> A mattress company completely canled my

their campaign with me because And I had

one of their mattresses. I'm not going

to say who it is. My favorite co I'm not

going to say who it is, but don't say

it. Okay. But I think all I was

>> Why did they get mad at?

>> Cuz I said they're good to on.

>> And I meant it. I thought they like

that. I

>> Why wouldn't they like that?

>> I said there's a a few things you could

do you people do on mattresses. Die,

sleep, and And these I don't know

if they're good to die in. People have

to understand, and I hope people

listening that run these companies will

will actually pay attention to what

we're talking about here. The people

that are listening to your show

don't care about that and also buy

mattresses, but they listen to that kind

of talk all the time. That's why they

listen to the show. So, if you want

those people,

>> just do it that way. Don't be silly. It

doesn't. It's not a stain on your

company because a crazy man says they're

good to on,

>> which they are. And that's a that's a by

the way to me that is like let's let's

cut to brass tax when it comes to

mattresses. We're not on the

floor like and so if it was bouncy to

>> Are you ashamed? Are you ashamed that

you

>> People aren't on your mattress?

Do you have a no on this mattress

rule? Who are you that you don't

>> is it like don't ask don't tell?

>> I guess for them it was I guess they

didn't want to. They they just think

everyone's laying on these things to

sleep.

>> Yeah, we just sleep.

>> But yeah, they were just the

shower.

>> I I like I wrote them an email just

saying like, "Guys, I I'm I'm absolutely

flabbergasted that you think people

aren't on your mattresses." And

it just seems odd to me that that that

was one of my favorite cancellations for

a commercial ever. Just

>> Ari's lost a ton.

I I would love to know all the ones he's

lost.

>> I I don't want to speak out of school

when he comes on. I'll have him like

list them off all the ones that he's

lost for these insane

commercials that he used to do.

>> But it's the same deal. It's but it's

like that's what I like. And guess what?

Who the is listening to Ari Shafir?

People who love Ari Shafir which want to

hear that kind of a commercial. If you

want to actually sell your product to an

Ari Shafir fan, let him say whatever the

he wants. Let him say whatever the

he wants. Just say, make him have a

disclaimer. Uh, DraftKings did not write

this,

>> right?

>> That's it. Just let him say whatever the

he wants.

>> That's what I will say. I will always

say, they didn't tell me to say this.

>> Perfect. Then they're off the hook. They

should shut the up.

>> Most people are most people are cool

with it. Like, it's it's I It's very

rare these days that that happens, but

every once in a while, I will get a note

that someone's mad at me for something I

said. And it's never something negative,

>> but I mean,

>> dude, do you like it's so it's so weird

to me that this this is our jobs.

>> Oh, it's Bro, do you remember when we

first started?

>> Yeah,

>> it was for nothing. No one made any

money. We just had a couch. I had a

couch and some microphones.

>> It was so pure.

>> It was This the whole thing is still

kind of pure if you really think about

it. like is something that's mass

consumed. This is about as like pure as

you can get.

>> That for sure. And you've gotten in

trouble for that. You know, like a lot

of people unfortuname

these days. A lot of people have kids.

They people feel like they have to be

very careful what you say these days

because of like social rejection and

stuff like that. But

>> the there was a time

>> where that wasn't on your mind at all.

You didn't think anybody was going to

listen. like this was was like

completely

strange underground tech that we were

and and also I really loved the just

doing it just for doing it sake. You

know what I mean? Now

>> exactly

>> there's a whole industry around getting

guests for your podcast. Not just that

is like clickbaity clips and ads and

it's like you're you're doing this thing

where you're you're both

>> having conversations with people and

also trying to get the most eyes

possible. So you're going after

celebrity guests and you're you know

what I mean?

>> You know when the big turning point was

for us?

>> What?

>> Graham Hancock. You, me and Graham

Hancock.

>> Oh yeah.

>> That I think was How many years ago was

that?

>> That was cool. That might have been one

of it was like at my house I had a few

like legitimately famous people came

over my house and did podcasts like

Charlie Murphy came over

>> and there's but Graham was I think the

first

>> he was the first guy that I got to meet

who I'd read his books and I'd seen I

don't even know what I would be watching

back then. I don't even know if YouTube

was

>> Were you nervous? I was nervous.

>> 100%. 100%.

>> Yeah. the episode 142

in 2011. So that's two years into the

podcast. Episode 142. He might have been

the first guest. It was like either him

or Bourdain were like one of the first

legit G. When was Bourdain on? They were

like the first legit guest. 2011

>> we'd been getting stoned talking about

>> before that.

>> What's that?

>> Four episodes before that.

>> Bourdain was

>> Yeah. 138.

>> Okay. So Bourdain was number one. I

think it was either him or Charlie, but

that was back when I was doing in that

little side room in my house.

>> But we've been getting stoned yapping

about Graham Hancock for like

>> forever. Forever.

>> And you invited me on. It was I was

terrified cuz I just I mean

again like that just wasn't happening in

the podcast land

that was a big deal for us, man. And

it's it's like to look at like now I go

on the podcast app and I look at all

these podcasts and it's like whoa who we

never I don't think we thought that

maybe

>> No way.

>> No way.

>> No way.

>> No way.

>> Not a chance in hell.

>> Yeah. It's so And now I wonder like and

I don't mean yours but I do wonder like

is it is the landscape changing now? Is

it like how or cuz I've heard that

podcasts are starting to seem antiquated

that the kids are now into like streams

now that the kids want like clvicular

the kids want like people who are just

filming all day long and that that's the

that's the direction it's going in. But

I just want I I always wonder what's the

next

>> but that you'll never get it's a

different thing. You know what I mean?

That's like saying I don't like rap

music. I only like right, you know,

concert pianist albums. Like, there's

different things that people like and

don't like. The people that like the

streams aren't interested in a Graham

Hancock conversation, a three and a half

hour conversation about the potential

ancient civilizations that may have

existed that are wiped out by a

cataclysm. And we just don't understand

that, right? And as more and more things

get exposed in terms of like new

discoveries like when he wrote that book

they had never even found goletly tappy

yet.

>> Really?

>> Yes. That was when fingerprints of the

gods came out that this was like maybe

the beginnings of the whatever they were

doing in Gobecapp. So I think

Fingerprints of the Gods might have been

even before.

>> When did they find I

>> It was like in the '9s.

>> What?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nuts. So that rewrote

the entire timeline of the human race.

>> How did they find?

>> They're real reluctant. They're real

reluctant to let it rewrite it. They

still say, "Oh, hunter gatherers made

these things."

>> Why? Why are they so reluctant with

that? That's

>> They can't let that go. You cannot let

that. That is a crazy thing to say that

hunter gatherers have so much food that

they just spend all their time making

gigantic stone concentric circles from

like 15 ft stone with 3D animals

carved in them. Yeah. primitive people

with sticks and stones and rubbing them

together to make fires. They did this.

>> Yeah, sure.

>> Shut the up.

>> This doesn't make any sense. It's older

than anything they've ever found. It's

11,800 years old.

>> Do you buy into the conspiracy theory

that it's an it's a it's a cover up

because they don't want us to know about

this inevitable global reset that

happens. You buy into that

>> I I buy into that a little bit. Yeah.

>> I hate it. I hate it too because it

seems like there's some accuracy to it.

There seems like there is some sort of

an event that happens when the magnetic

poles switch and uh that's possible.

That's what makes you freak out. You're

like, "What do you mean that's

possible?" Like all of a sudden the

earth just does a gyro and spins on its

head and then what happens?

>> And then what's the what's the

environment look like?

>> What's the temperature outside now?

>> Yeah.

>> What the just happened?

>> Right. see that that

>> all of a sudden you're in northern

Alaska when you used to live in Florida

>> and I think we can

>> you know what I mean like dude like that

tempered environment changes like that

>> happens like that all over the all over

the all over the universe

>> do like what does it do when it shifts

>> well we act like

>> do we know

>> we we act like we know we don't know

about what's going on inside the

earth we don't know we we don't know

what's going on in there we we could do

the science freaking me out

>> cuz I cuz I think about this all the

time

>> giant ball of fire how Crazy is that the

inside of our earth,

>> isn't it?

>> How do they know? Do they not know?

>> Dude, I think that we have to just

accept the fact that, you know, I

probably that's true. But since we we

barely know what's under the ocean, we

sure as don't know what's under the

earth.

>> Well, we definitely know that lava keeps

popping out in Hawaii.

>> We know that,

>> right? So, we know that the under the

surface, that whole idea of the magma

and everything seems real

>> and when there's earthquakes, you can

look at the

>> and it pops through. You can look at the

waves from the earthquakes and you can

like see sort of like the structure

under the earth and but we can't, you

know, go. What's the name of that hole

that Russia tried to dig? I love every

once in a while going to look at that.

It's the deepest hole.

>> Yeah, they tried to go to hell.

>> I know. They they

>> It's like that movie. Was that Matthew

McConna movie? The dragon movie?

>> I don't.

>> They accidentally dug out a dragon.

>> Did you ever see that movie, bro? It was

fun. It was fun. It was a good movie.

Cola Super Deep, Russian horror film,

The Super Deep. Cola Super Deep. What

does it say? Russian designation for a

set of super deep bore holes conceived

as a part of a Soviet scientific

research program in the 1960s. How deep

did they go?

>> 12,226

meters.

>> Yo,

>> and

>> wait a minute. How many feet is a mile?

>> 5,000. So, it's miles into the ground in

1989. Miles,

>> seven plus miles down.

>> Imagine

just being in an elevator that's going

miles into the ground. The kind of

claustrophobia you would get.

>> Yeah.

>> In a in a stone tube that's been cut out

of the ground.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. You're a communist out

there, too. You're a hardcore communist

just drilling deep deep down into the

earth. And then imagine imagine if all

of a sudden air just starts coming out

and you realize you pop the earth.

>> Like we that's the main thing. You don't

know what's what's in there.

>> Christ.

>> And this this

>> 22 miles deep.

>> 22 miles deep.

>> That's just the crust and they didn't

even get halfway through that.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. Yeah. We don't microscopic

plankton fossils were found 3.7 miles

below the surface.

>> What?

>> Yeah. Yeah. We don't know what's down

there.

>> Boiling mud came out,

>> bro. What if this

>> boiling mud? Boiling mud.

>> I think our real problem is that our

lifespan is so short that we think that

what we see in front of us right here is

going to stay this way,

>> right?

>> We have this ridiculous idea y

>> that what we see right now is going to

stay just like that. Whereas the like I

long as I control my 401k and get my

life in order, everything's going to be

fine. You put on your cuff

links. You get out of the house or your

briefcase. You're in charge. You're a

goddamn alpha. Get a job, hippie.

>> Absolutely.

>> But really, you're on a ball of lava.

>> Yeah.

>> That's spinning around and it's got

magnets at the top and one the magnets

are moving and when they flip.

>> Yeah.

>> Who knows?

>> Have you guys heard about this event

that happened in 1961 where we accident

over North Carolina?

>> This was

go off because it wasn't armed. Oh my

god.

>> I heard that it was armed, but there

were safety there were there were like

five safety there were five switches or

something that only one of them worked

to make it not go off. But I could be

wrong about that. Might have been a

different time we dropped a bomb

accidentally.

>> Imagine if you were just near it.

>> I mean, dude,

>> whoopsies.

>> Whoopsies.

>> Whoopsies. Dropped the bomb. Whoopsies.

Almost wiped out North Carolina. So,

we've got, you know, on top of the

geomagnetic pole shifting, a complete

lack of understanding, at least a full

understanding of of what's inside our

planet, what's underneath our oceans.

Tim Burchett saying whatever the

they they've shown him would set the

world on fire. He's he's having to go on

TMZ. I really I got to say, man, I got a

lot of respect for him because he's

really he's gone like Gonzo with this

He is fullbore

pushing disclosure as much as he can.

He's saying I'm I'm not suicidal. He's

had to say that because and he's talking

about these missing scientists and stuff

that they're somehow related. So like

people like him, you know, that that

can't be good for your political career

to go on TMZ and talk about alien

hybrids.

>> You got and people have to understand

like this missing scientist thing. It

sounds a little conspiratorial thing. It

sounds like a little silly, a little

tinfoil hatty.

>> It does.

>> Until you start thinking about the

amount of money

>> that would be lost if a breakthrough

tech came around that revolutionized the

way they distribute energy,

>> right?

>> Breakthrough zero point energy

breakthrough whatever whatever that is

that these people are working on. Plasma

technology, whatever the that is.

Um you're you would lose if you're in

whatever business that would be

competing with them. you're going to

lose so much money. You're

you're probably going to go under. If

you're in the energy business, you're

going to or

he goes away,

>> right?

>> And he goes away and there's like him

and maybe a few other work people that

work with them that understand that

at all.

>> Yeah. Yeah. They're all wandering

through the back rooms now. They're gone

>> and they're all scared. They're all

They're all going to scatter like

roaches because their life is in danger.

And it is like this is theoretically,

right? It could be just a coincidence

that all these people get

>> it's how could it be? Could you pull up?

Can you pull up a story on it? Cuz

Jamie, I'm sorry, but it's two people

from the same lab.

>> Yep.

>> Like like what? There there's there I

mean it's gotten to the point that like

it has hit the mainstream news. Like

people are talking about it.

>> I mean what's her name? Nancy Guthrie

>> disappears.

>> Is that related though?

>> No, but I'm just saying this one woman

vanishes.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, it gets all this

>> and it gets all the press. But we've got

scientists like two scientists from the

same lab disappear. Crickets.

>> No. Like

>> weird.

>> Weird dude.

>> Real weird.

>> And and what you're talking about is if

you think about it, it seems like all of

human

>> endeavor right now should be moving in

the direction of getting off oil. I

don't mean for carbon emissions. I mean

because of this oil problem that

we have. We're like on the precipice of

World War II at any given moment,

>> right? Mystery around dead or missing

scientists privy to space and nuclear

secrets grows.

>> So there's space and nuclear secrets.

You imagine being a scientist, you work

so hard

>> to like figure out some amazing stuff

that's going to transform the human

experience and then people kill you.

>> Yeah.

>> Literally kill you like in a parking

lot. One of those silenced guns.

Um, several American scientists privy to

the country's nuclear, space, and

aerospace secrets have either died or

gone missing in recent years. Experts

think they could have been targeted by

either enemies or allies because they

possess valuable knowledge of national

interest. That's a weird thing to say.

>> Yeah, it is.

>> Of national interest.

>> What

>> what does that mean? Like I'm cool with

the beginning part enemies allies. That

makes that tracks. Sure. But then when

you say valuable knowledge of national

interest,

>> like what is that?

>> What the does that mean? They

possess valuable knowledge of national

interest.

>> I mean, dude, it's so many of them and

and it's it's

>> a crazy thing to say.

>> Let's go down a little bit to the

>> This doesn't have a good list of them,

>> but it's just a weird way to phrase

that.

>> Well,

>> you know what I mean? Is it like CIA

talking point? Like what is that?

>> I I I don't know. Monica Resa missing.

She disappeared while hiking in

California with her friends.

>> Oh, Jesus Christ.

>> Okay. Well, I don't know. Maybe. Let's

scroll down. It's not just like it's

one. It's like so many of them. Retired

a general. He just wandered off.

>> Yeah.

>> He was involved in the UFO community.

>> His wife debunked theories relating to

UFOs.

>> If um his wife debunked them,

>> that's what it says. sort of I also

that's I think she was I mean she was

joking I think a little bit too but she

also worked there in this situation

somehow

>> is that a joke Neil does not have any

special knowledge about the ET bodies

and debris from Roswell crash store

toward it right Pat

>> is that a joke

>> at this point with absolutely no sign of

him maybe the best hypothesis is that

aliens beamed him up to the mother ship

however no sightings of a mother ship

hovering over the Sandia mountains have

been reported there's no way she said

that right

>> that's a joke

>> it's men's journal. Well, maybe she's

just being funny.

>> Posted a lengthy note on Facebook.

>> Just a little joke about her husband

disappearing.

>> Maybe she was happy. Maybe she's like,

"Finally, I get to sit home romance

novels."

>> Stop talking about aliens.

>> Shut your mouth and go for a

hike.

>> FORGET THE ALIEN BODIES. WHAT ABOUT YOUR

WIFE'S BODY?

>> WELL, MAYBE SHE'S JUST GOT grace and she

could handle someone missing. It's

pretty funny though to say it that way.

>> I mean, it's Yeah, I guess it's just

>> unless you know she knows something.

>> Where are they going? Maybe he wanted to

leave and he's like, "Look, I know too

much. I'm going to pretend to go

missing, but I'm going to go to Costa

Rica.

>> Just don't tell anybody that you know

where I went and I, you know, I'll send

for you."

>> You know how weird it is to see the vice

president

>> saying that he thinks aliens are demons?

>> I did see that.

>> You know how weird that just that just

like living in it like that's a dream.

That's how you like you would wake up

from that dream and I would I would tell

you, dude, I dreamed the vice president

said aliens are demons.

>> Here's the question, though.

>> What were they talking about in the

Bible when they're talking about aliens

and demons? When they're talking about

like angels,

what what what the were they

talking about? And are there different

kinds of beings that can for whatever

travel method they use, whether it's

teleportation or, you know, the the Bob

Lazar idea of gravity shifting, whatever

the it is, they get here, why would

we assume that it'd all be cool,

>> right?

>> Like, and if some of them are, they talk

about reptilians, like reptilian is a

common

>> Yeah. experience that these supposed UFO

abductees and I'm not even convinced

there's like physical abduction. I have

a feeling that these people are out cold

and something's happening to them inside

their head and they think they've been

physically abducted.

I think that's a lot of them. I think

they have these abduction experiences.

They come back. They have these contacts

and they come back. I I have a feeling a

lot of them physically aren't going

anywhere.

But it doesn't mean that something's not

happening. And if all throughout history

people have reported demonic possession,

Yeah.

>> and demonic influences and Yeah.

>> why would we not assume that if we do

things to us

>> like we engineer viruses to use as

weapons on people. There's a whole

research program, a part of the

government is dedicated to boweapons.

All right? You're not supposed to use

them, but we just have to study them. If

we do that to us, wouldn't you assume

that any super advanced species

that sees us as territorial psychopathic

primates with nuclear weapons, wouldn't

you just manipulate us into all sorts of

different ways? Get us to do all sorts

of different things that we shouldn't

do? Get us to commit crimes. Get us to

do get us angry. Get us agitated. give

us different algorithms are going to

with our head

>> to behave demonically,

>> right?

>> To like cause us to collapse

>> or just for fun.

>> Or for fun.

>> Didn't that guy Wasn't there a dude who

like started giving Zen pouches to ants

to get them addicted to nicotine?

>> You know what I mean? The ants. The

ants. The ants.

>> Did they get addicted?

>> I can't I don't know if it was Zen

pouches, but

>> Have you ever taken days off of these?

>> No.

>> It doesn't do anything to me. I should

try. I

>> I don't I like them, but it's not like,

"Oh my god, I need one." Like, nothing

>> that Well, dude, I mean, you're a little

different from most people. Like, you

seem like you can just kick like

that. Like, I don't know. I mean, I

should try it. I should give it a shot.

>> It's not hard. Like, you just don't take

them.

>> What I don't like about them is

>> it's not like you get the itch. Like, I

had a coffee itch for a while.

>> Like, I would get hangovers like like

headaches. Like, oh. and and I'd have a

little caffeine and boom, I'd be back. I

don't like Oh my god, I'm addicted to

coffee.

>> These things are making my dentures

stained, which I don't like.

>> What are you using?

>> Renegade Rogues.

>> Let me see what that is. Tommy Sigur

likes the Rogues.

>> They're great.

>> Did you see this yesterday?

>> Oh, yeah. Bledso

orb that was over

>> high-res orb from Bledsoe.

>> Look at that.

>> It's weird as It does not look

like any of those other things we've

seen before.

>> Look at that thing.

>> And it just is

>> looks like a cell. Who is uh Bledsoe?

>> Oh, dude.

>> UFO researcher guy.

>> Chris Ble. I've had him on my podcast.

Bledsoe said so. That's his podcast.

>> He's awesome, dude. He's

awesome.

>> Is it is enhanced, it says. But I don't

you

>> No, see that this is the enhanced one,

which means the AI put in some kind of

shadowy figure in the back. If you

>> What if this is just like a highly

advanced species version of those

balloons that kids have for parties?

>> I know, dude.

>> I mean, what if they just send them down

to people? That's what's fun. Like you

know how you blow bubbles, you have

those you dip it in the soap and you go

and the bubbles go flying in the air.

>> Maybe that's a super advanced version.

>> I mean it could just be I mean it does

have a bubble quality to it.

>> Well, this is the other thing is like

why are we assuming that life is going

to look anything like us once it gets to

like a supreme state. Exactly.

>> That might be a living thing. It might

be an actual living thing that's

disembodied and is made out of light.

>> Look at it. Look at that thing.

>> That's a different one.

>> That's another one. And dude, I know

people who can like call these things.

Like there's a method where these things

just start showing up.

>> My friend Steve listened to uh my Bob

Lazar podcast and he uh sent me a

voicemail and it's really interesting

because he told me that when he was a

kid, and I remember this story, uh when

he was a kid, they

let me find the voicemail.

They um came to his house cuz he took a

photograph of an orb like a there was a

like a bright white right or uh red orb

rather that was flying through the sky

and he was a little kid and he took a

photograph of it.

>> So this he was in the seventh grade and

uh it says so he he called them project

blue book came to his house in Kingston

I think is that's New York. They took

it. never brought it back and they never

said, "Hey," and then they said, "Hey,

we have no no idea who ever came to see

you."

>> What the

>> Yeah. So, they took his camera. They

They took his film. They wanted to make

sure the camera worked. They took the

film and then they denied that they ever

did it.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. This was in 19 I think. What did

he say? He's he's about 10 years older

than me.

>> So, this is probably

What does he say? Didn't say the year. I

think Steve got Steve's got to be like

70 by now. But that was when he was a

seventh grader. So they've been they

were doing that to everybody. Anytime

anybody saw anything, they would dismiss

it. Swamp gas, delusions, mass

hallucinations. That was their design.

The design was not to investigate UFOs,

which tells you that there's something

they're trying to hide.

>> 100%.

>> If they weren't trying to hide it, why

would they take things that they

absolutely can't explain and just chalk

it off to Why wouldn't if

you're really doing what you're supposed

to be doing, you're supposed to say

there's some stuff that we don't

understand.

>> I I think that we are post UFO

debunking, right? Like I think now it's

gotten to the point where

>> people will say, "Well, it's probably uh

top secret military vehicles or

something like that." People,

>> you see the bobbles in my new poster.

They're here.

>> Oh, that's

>> It's going up on the wall. That

supposedly, according to Bob, they had

that photograph at the at the hanger

where they stored the sport model.

>> Wait, he's saying that's real?

>> No, no, no, no, no, no. That's a

recreation of it. But he said when he

worked there, they actually had a

photograph like that with a flying

saucer and it says they're here.

>> Holy

>> Yeah. He said that was in like their

room where they work.

>> And I was like, dude, I have to have

that.

So, he got me one. Luigi got me one. The

the guy who produced the film. Have you

Have you seen that film?

>> Not yet. I've been waiting to watch.

>> It's incredible. It's

incredible.

>> People are saying it's better than Age

of Disclosure.

>> It trips me out. It tr I believe

him. I definitely want to believe him.

And I'm biased in that regard. Like, I

definitely way rather believe him than

believe he's a crazy liar who also knows

a ton about science.

>> He was ahead of his time. He's Wasn't he

like the original whistleblower? Like

now we've got more and more coming out,

but and the stuff he's he was saying

seemed bad back then, but now it

just seems to line up.

>> It seems to line up even with emerging

technology like 3D printers. Like he

said a long time ago that the thing had

no seams.

>> You said there was no seams, no welds

because we didn't understand it like how

how could this be made, right?

>> Well, now we know exactly how you'd make

it. We might not be able to make that

right now, but if you give us enough

time, we go, "Oh, yeah. The technology

has to evolve." And then you can make a

3D printed alloy spaceship made out of

bismouth and magnesium cuz it has

anti-gravitational properties.

Apparently,

>> you have a gravity generator inside of

that thing. Oh, by the way,

whatever the gravity is.

>> Yeah, right. We don't know that.

>> Figure that out.

>> We're still confused about that.

>> Dude, I watched a whole documentary

about black energy or dark energy.

Totally different things. dark energy

and dark matter and about how it's like

what 90% of the universe and

they don't know what it is.

>> Yeah.

>> What?

>> Yeah.

>> Holy man.

>> I know. I know.

>> That's why we need AI to tell us. Give

us all the answers. You just got to

accept it into your head, Duncan.

>> You don't need to have your own thoughts

by yourself, Duncan. Have your thoughts

with Sally. Sally has a sweet voice and

she loves you and she's very reassuring.

It' be so cool to change the sound of my

thoughts to like, you know, different

deeper voices.