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>> What's up, Marcus? Good to see you,

brother. What's happening?

>> It's crazy to be here.

>> It's crazy to have you here, man. And

thank you so much for the guitar. That's

the dopest [ __ ] that anybody's ever

given me.

>> Oh, man. I hope you like it.

>> I'm sure I like it. I just can't play.

And I I would love to learn how to play,

but I know my brain and I I can't give

my brain another thing to do.

>> You've got a lot.

>> Well, the problem is I get obsessed with

things. And then

>> me, too.

>> I'm sure you can't get as good as you

got without getting obsessed.

>> Are you like this? Like I don't like

doing things I'm not good at.

>> I love doing things I'm not good at to

get good at them.

>> Right. But it's it's it's just it's not

leisurely to me to play golf. Like I

can't enjoy it because I'm I'm bad at

it. Well, you'll enjoy it if you get

good at it, but the problem is to get

good at it, then you got to get

obsessed. Yeah. And then you got to take

less. Like Jamie's got a [ __ ] virtual

reality thing in the back where he

whacks balls every day. He's a

>> Oh, yeah.

>> He's obsessive.

>> Recovering from hitting today.

>> Sweating. Wow.

>> Hot.

>> My drummer is a really good golfer.

>> Golf is one of those things that if you

get into that, man, that's your whole

[ __ ] day. That's

>> three or four days a week on the road.

When I was living in Boston, I noticed

that the comedians that really got into

golf, their career kind of stalled

>> because all they were they were just

playing golf all day, having fun,

drinking, and then they would go to the

club at night, but they weren't writing

any new jokes. They weren't obsessing

>> on their career. They kind of stalled

out a little.

>> When I still drank, I really liked

golfing. Then I quit drinking. I was

like, I don't really like this.

>> When did you quit drinking? Uh well I

quit a few times but uh most recent time

was like a year and a half ago.

>> Were you quitting because it was you

were just off the rails or like got to

get your health in order?

>> Uh it was a it was kind of a combo deal,

you know. Um like when I met my wife uh

at that point I thought that I could

drink like a gentleman. Um and it just

never really worked out that way. There

was, you know, there's just something in

me that just wanted to completely burn

my life to the ground every time I

drank, you know,

>> a real destructive quality.

>> Ooh, that's not good.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Fortunately, I never had that. But

that is a thing. I've seen that. What is

that?

>> I think it's

I think a lot of it is repressed

emotions.

Um, and that's where they find you when

your when your brain is

>> off the bottle.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> They go, "Hey, Marcus."

>> Yeah, man.

>> Let's get those problems out.

>> It seduces me. It's like, you don't need

anybody. [ __ ] everybody. That woman that

married you, she you don't want her.

Like,

>> I think sometimes people do that to

almost like save themselves from

heartbreak. Sometimes you kind of like

wreck it yourself. It's like making fun

of yourself before anyone else can.

Right.

>> It's like that thing.

>> Yeah. Right. Like just assume it's going

to go bad eventually. Let's get this

[ __ ] train on the tracks right now.

Crack pour.

>> That was that was kind of my, you know,

that was my approach for a while. I just

um I don't know, man. I was just I

didn't want to feel anything. So that

was all that was where it would always

end up because I remember even asking my

wife like a couple years ago we opened

up for the AIT brothers in Raleigh,

North Carolina. And at that point, I'd

been sober for like six months and I was

like, I really think I can handle it,

you know? And then and then got to it's

like famous last words like I chug a a

jumbo white claw. Like I started with a

jumbo white claw and I just got

completely hammered, blacked out. Pissed

my wife off so bad. Like I woke up and I

was at our friend's house still like on

the floor

>> and she left in my bus

>> and like my wallet everything was on the

bus. I had no identification. She was

like, "You can [ __ ] figure it out,

man."

>> Wow.

>> And uh the bus turned around come and

got me. But

>> um

>> yeah, she doesn't play any games.

>> So did you stop then?

>> Yeah, I did. I did.

>> Oh, so one night? Yeah, I had one night

off the leash and I realized I couldn't

handle it, you know? There's just some

kind of quality in me that's like I

can't stop, you know? And maybe someday

I'll find that it's like I got to get

right in here, you know, and in here

>> with myself

>> before I can really

>> consider that again.

>> I quit drinking for about eight months

just because I realized I just wasn't

feeling good. I was doing because of the

club. I was at the club every night and

you know it's like one night someone

would say, "Hey, let's do shots." I'll

do a shot. I want to be, you know,

cordial, hang out with everybody, sense

of community. Let's all do it together.

Come on, boys. And then, you know, it's

two drinks, three drinks. Go home, get

up, feel like [ __ ] work out, do it

again the next day, feel even shittier

the next day. And it's like, god damn, I

got to take some time off. So, I took

about eight months off, I think. I think

I'm not exactly sure how much time I

took off. And then, uh, I had like a

drink with dinner one night and I said,

"This all right." And so, since then,

I've never gotten drunk. I've only had a

drink or two.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, so I've managed it, but I was

not an alcoholic. I was just realizing

that all this fun was it was messing up

the rest of my time. I was like, "What

is it? There's an expression that when

you're drinking like the you're you're

taking a loan out on the good times that

you could have had for some good times

you can have right now and then you got

to pay it back."

>> Yeah. With with interest.

>> Yeah. Well, physic the problem is

physically for me it just wasn't worth

it.

>> I just I would be working out at the gym

going, "Why why am I doing this? I keep

feeling like shit." And every time I'm

working out, I'm pushing through all

this, you know, toxic [ __ ] that I poured

down my throat the night before. And my

body's recovering from it. So, I feel

tired and drained. And then my brain

wasn't working as well, you know?

That was that's what it was for me was

like the anxiety

>> and just like the um the dopamine

depletion

>> and just feeling just completely just

like and I'm somebody who was already

struggling with like that's why I drink

in the first place. It's like my mental

issues and just anxiety and depression

and and then it would just kind of hit

me tfold the next day. Um,

>> it's always interesting to me someone

with anxiety chooses a path in life like

live performing.

>> Yeah.

>> Because like if there's anything that

gives people anxiety, it's live

performing and you're really good at it,

>> which is crazy. It's like, you know,

you're you're picking this thing that

you're really good at, but that gives a

lot of people anxiety and you have

anxiety to begin with.

>> Yeah. I mean, it's like there's there's

something to that. It's like Dan Soder,

I always quote him on this. He's like,

you know, I go around each night like

craving the approval of like thousands

of people a night. You're like, you

didn't think I was doing that cuz things

went well growing up, you know? Like,

I'm [ __ ] up. I need I need all these

people to tell me I'm doing a good job.

But

um

>> I think the idea is that eventually you

channel that and when you get yourself

the idea some people have this idea that

if you ever get yourself together

somewhat

and I don't think anybody ever gets

totally together but you get yourself

together somewhat and then you don't you

don't do it for the approval of it. who

do it for the love of the art of it,

>> the thing, and bringing the thing to

people and getting enjoyment out of

having these people have a good time. Y

>> I think you I think that can be done. I

think you can shift your focus from I

just want these people's love to I want

to give them love. I want everyone to

have a good time, you know? I want to be

up there just [ __ ] having a good

time. They're having a good time. We all

have a good time together. I make their

lives feel better for a brief moment. I

feel better. Everybody's Everybody's

better off.

>> And that's the [ __ ] man. That's what I

crave. And that I mean, that's why like

we just did a run of Texas Honky Tons,

which that's that was kind of the the

goal was just to get everybody in these

sweaty rooms just for the purpose of

just like enjoying music again, getting

back to these sticky floors.

>> Yeah. Well, you reached out to me

because we were talking on the podcast

about how rock and roll is kind of dead.

And you said, "Fucking rock and roll

ain't dead. Come on." And I was like,

"All right. Well, is anybody that could

tell me that rock and roll is not dead?

It's Marcus King, man."

Yeah. I was um my boy Ben Jernigan, he

told me, he was like, "You should text

Joe." Cuz I I I'm an avid listener. I

was like, "You think I should say

something?" He's like, "Yeah, [ __ ]

tell Rock and Roll ain't dead, man. It's

here tonight. Green Hall.

>> Well, it's not dead, but it's different.

>> And a lot of the rock that's out now

that's doing really well is like a

southern inspired rock, which is

interesting. There's like a southern

almost country like rock, like bluesy

country rock, you know, red clay strays,

like that kind of [ __ ] They're doing

great. Yeah.

>> It's like there's a lot of that out

there, you know, like people people are

digging that kind of music, but there's

just, you know, when I talk about like

rock, I mean, like when I was in high

school, it was all Van Halen, AC/DC,

like that. There was so many big rock

and roll bands, the Stones, you know,

there was just so much of that out

there. And it's odd that there's not a

lot of big bands like that anymore.

>> I think it's coming back around.

>> I got to hope so.

>> It doesn't make sense to me because like

the classic rock is still like we're

we're in the green room and uh Freeird

comes on. Still everybody's going nuts.

>> I mean,

>> you know, I mean there's classics.

Another southern rock and roll band,

Leonard Skard. But there's there's still

like a love of that kind of music, but

it's just it's weird that it kind of,

you know, just didn't I don't know what

happened.

>> Well, it's interesting how cyclical the

music industry can be. And like

>> I feel like for the first time in the

last 10 years, like since Urban Cowboy

came out, like cuz I mean for the last

10 years I've been going to LA with a

cowboy hat on and I always get the same

[ __ ] like, "Well, where do you want to

park your horse?" You know, like, "What

are you up to, cowboy?" People just

talking [ __ ] But now I go out there and

everybody's got a cowboy hat on. Really?

>> It's like chic. Yeah,

>> that's interesting.

>> It's like in Vogue,

>> like the cowboy thing

>> and makes you not want to wear a cowboy

hat.

>> Well, you know, it's just I think rock

and roll is kind of having a a similar

resurgence.

>> God, I hope so. I hope so. You know, I

mean, there's got to be people out there

that still love it. And I just don't I

mean, I just don't understand how

there's no new big bands like that.

>> Well, it's interesting. You know, I was

actually I was in the gym watching um

Led Zeppelin at Royal Albert Hall.

>> Oh, wow.

>> And I was like, "This is a [ __ ] jam

band. They're jamming."

>> Mhm.

>> You know,

>> and I'm like, it just like the Almond

Brothers band was a jam band, but like

they had guidelines and that's kind of

how we do our show. like we have songs

that we're playing just to get to that

that improvisational section where we

can just kind of, you know, work with

the chemistry of the crowd and each

other on stage.

>> And it's just um

it's interesting to me like the way

things have become subdivided, you know?

It's like you're not a jam band unless

it's like widespread or like Fish or

like the Dead or something like that.

But like Zeppelin was a [ __ ] jam

band.

>> Yeah. In a lot of ways. Yeah. Especially

when they're performing live.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's

What is that band that sounds like

Zeppelin?

>> Gretan Fleet.

>> Yeah. Gretan Fleet. They're [ __ ]

great. They are great.

>> It's weird.

>> It's weird cuz they sound so much like

Zeppelin. But they're really good. So

like I give them a pass.

>> They get a pass from me. I mean they're

my boys. I I really I really like those

dudes. Like we used to party together a

bunch. They live in Nashville. And uh

the guitar player, Jake, he's

um he's just the sweetest guy. Like he

gave me a housewarming gift. He's like

really into pirate stuff.

>> Pirate stuff.

>> Yeah. He's really into piracy. And he

gave me he gave me a like a like a um

like a musket pistol.

>> Oh wow.

>> Like what a pirate would have carried

around. I got

>> a real one.

>> Yeah.

>> So like from the olden days.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh [ __ ] That's got to be worth a lot of

[ __ ] money.

>> Yeah. I mean, they're doing pretty well.

>> Wow. What is a old musket pistol run?

How much can you get one of them for?

See if you can find something, Jamie.

>> Musket.

>> Yeah, an old musket pistol. You know,

when um the concistadors took over

Mexico. That's They had 12 of those.

That's it.

>> 12 guns.

>> 12 musket pistols.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. I looked that up on Perplexity. I

was I was diving deep into how the [ __ ]

Mexico became Spanish.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, like what happened? How did

they like they lost like a hundred

indigenous languages at least?

>> Wow.

>> It's kind of crazy. But here it is.

>> What? You can get one from 195 bucks.

>> Modern reproduction.

>> Oh, reproductions. What about a real one

>> down here?

>> Antique ones. Uh 17th century Barbie

wars antique pirate flint lock pistol

recently sold for $416. That's it.

>> Yeah.

>> H

>> that seems crazy.

>> That seems crazy. That's a

>> It's pretty good for a gift budget.

>> I'd say it looks based off how many

reproductions and what you just said

there being 12 back then. There might

not be that many of them that exist. So

they have to make reproductions. But if

this says antique pirate era musketss

and it said it sold for 416 bucks I mean

from the 17th century.

>> Maybe it sucks. Maybe it's a bad one.

That's all they can get.

>> But it's from the 1600s and it sold for

416 bucks.

>> I'll try to look it up.

>> Can you see what what those look like?

>> This should show up.

>> We'll see if we can get one.

>> We should get one and put it on the

wall. Oh [ __ ] Look at that one.

>> How much is that one?

>> That's I think that's the one that sold

for 400 bucks. That says $155. What?

>> That's crazy.

>> How are they so cheap?

>> There's the one for 416.

>> God, that seems like they should be

almost priceless.

I mean, this is from the [ __ ] 1600s

and it's sold for 400 bucks.

That one sold for 200 bucks.

>> Wow.

>> Just go pick them up. There's a store in

Austin. I bet they've got a bunch.

>> No way.

>> Yeah.

>> Really?

>> Well, I went to the store. Well, they've

got a bunch of weird [ __ ] like this.

They must They would have to have them

if they're only 300 bucks, I guess. I

would say.

>> And all kinds of armor and guns and

cannons and weird [ __ ]

>> What? What place is this?

>> It's called like Collector's

I'll look it up real quick.

>> There's something weird about those

dudes who like uh want to recreate wars.

>> Yeah,

>> that's an odd thing. That's a very odd

thing.

>> Yeah. I mean, I've got the facial hair

of a Civil War reactor, but that's about

as close as I get.

>> On the wall.

>> Oh, wow.

>> That's in Austin.

>> Yeah.

>> No [ __ ]

>> Yeah.

>> Well, that's pretty [ __ ] dope.

>> Yeah.

>> Collector's Crossroads.

>> Popped in there one day to see what it

was about.

>> And they have little musket pistols.

>> They got all kinds of [ __ ]

>> I wonder how do you know the

>> crossbows swords?

>> Crossbow's just a shitty gun.

I'm not a fan.

>> What if it was a pirates crossbow?

>> Yeah, I guess it's kind of cool. But

it's just uh

it is weird that we're really into like

old like you you know it's interesting

you're holding something that's a piece

of history. And what history is is like

at the time this was the [ __ ]

>> Like at the time this was like the

coolest thing you can get. Like 400

years ago if you wanted to kill somebody

this was the way to do it. You had to

get one of these things, which is very

odd.

>> Yeah,

>> it's just very odd that

>> Oh, look at all this stuff.

>> I don't know if it was George Washington

[ __ ] there, but they had That's what it

looks like. It would be

>> George Washington swords.

>> I don't know.

>> We should get one of those for Shane.

He's a big George Washington fan.

>> Look, there you go.

>> Oh, wow. Look at that.

That's crazy.

>> So, yeah. I mean, I don't even know what

that

>> That's a weird one. Look at the handle

on that [ __ ]

>> Says from Middle East, Central Asia.

That could be

>> Oh, look. It's got like a dragon mouth

on the back of it.

>> That's pretty sweet.

>> Wow.

>> Huh.

>> All right. So,

>> we need one of those.

>> All right. Let's take a road trip,

Jamie.

>> We should probably do it before this

episode comes out.

>> Grab it tonight.

>> Yeah, we need to go down there today

before this episode go [ __ ] up their

business.

Go there. It's empty. All these dorks

have [ __ ] armor all over their house

now.

It's just people that are really into

like the old wars and recreating old

wars. I always I always want to know

like what's wrong with you? Like what

happened to you? Like

>> Yeah. It's um I grew up with a kid that

was like that that was obsessed with

like everything Army, Navy. Um but he

his father was in the military but he

had never gone into the military. They

wouldn't they wouldn't accept him.

>> Why?

>> I don't know. He was I don't think he

could ever pass the physical. He was a a

bigger dude.

>> Oh, okay.

>> His name was Maurice.

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They say that 77% of American kids can't

pass the physical to get into the

military.

>> I believe it, man. Just based on my own

experience, like I remember the

presidential fitness test. Like that's a

that's a bad memory of mine. Just

hanging on the the pull-up bar in front

of all my my classmates and not being

able to do one pull-up. Just hanging

there.

>> What is the presidential fitness test?

>> Uh it's something they did when I was a

kid. It's like they wanted to make sure

that you could do like 10 push-ups or

however many pull-ups or whatever.

>> How many pull-ups do you have to do for

the presidential fitness test?

>> Uh well, there's different standard, but

they literally, this was going on last

week. They just started it up again.

Donald Trump had uh like Bryson Desambo

in the White House with a couple guys.

Gary Player, golfer.

>> Well, they had kids in there also.

>> That's funny.

>> It's funny because you I' I'd go, "Hey,

why don't you do it?

>> Let me see you do a [ __ ] up, bro."

>> 22 push-ups for a 10-year-old.

>> 22 push-ups. That's a lot.

>> Yeah. 45 curl-ups. That's crazy.

>> Six pull-ups. That's a lot. What's a

curl up? with the other way like biceps.

Uh hands, you know, pull up with your

hands.

>> 45.

>> Yeah.

>> Come on.

>> That's crazy.

>> Wait a minute.

>> In an 8 minutee mile.

>> Come on. Is that really?

>> It says six pull-ups or 45 curl-ups. But

curl-ups aren't that much easier than

pull-ups, are they?

>> I remember when I was 10, they were.

>> What?

>> But that's just being a 10-year-old cuz

your body you only weigh like 60, you

know? I don't know. Kids are light.

Usually, lighter than I am. I was

heavier than most.

>> Yeah, that's I was going to say there

are different standards. I remember kids

some

>> But bro, 45 is crazy. That seems That

seems excessive.

>> That seems like a lot of reps. I don't

even understand how that's possible.

That that's the standard. I don't think

I could do that.

>> Uh actually, I think there are sit-ups.

It's calling it a curl-up cuz here it

says it measures abdominal strength.

>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Sit-ups.

>> Okay. Oh, why are they calling it

curl-ups? cuz it was like 45 chin-ups.

So, it's like there's pull-ups and

chin-ups. Which one's a pull-up? Which

one's a chin-up?

>> Pull-up hands over.

>> Okay. And then chin up.

>> And I was saying, "Yeah, that's what I

>> 45 of those would be bonkers. That's cra

I can't do that. That's cuz like six

pull-ups I could do easy." But 45 But

sit-ups is still hard. That's hard, too.

>> Well,

>> that's a lot.

>> It's a standard,

>> huh?

>> Not every kid's there. That seems like a

lot of kids wouldn't be there for 45

situps.

>> Yep.

>> What are they trying to do?

>> What are they doing to us?

>> I would fail on that, too. So, they

couldn't draft me. These [ __ ]

are talking about drafting people. I was

listening to Tim Dylan show and he was

saying that Pal see if this is true that

Palunteer thinks that uh we should

reintroduce conscription conscription

that kids should start getting drafted

again into military and they should have

mandatory military experience for kids.

I just don't understand why anybody

would want to support that. That sounds

crazy,

especially after this Iran war where

everybody's like, "Why the [ __ ] are we

in Iran?" And if you signed up for that,

that sounds nuts. Is that real?

Palanteers publicly call for the US to

move away from an allv volunteer

military and towards some form of

universal national service that many

observers interpret as reintroducing a

draft or conscription.

>> Yeah, Tim got into this manifesto that I

didn't I haven't looked into this yet.

>> Why the [ __ ] would a tech company be

saying that we need to move towards a

universal national military service? How

about [ __ ] you?

How about [ __ ] you, youug go?

Because you know none of these tech

dorks that are running these companies,

they're not doing it. Like what are you

what are you talking about?

>> Yeah.

>> Throwing meat into the machine, right?

>> Throwing people's children into these

unnecessary wars. [ __ ] you.

>> It's scary.

>> It's very scary. It's scary that they

would like how about let's figure out a

way to use your technology so there's no

more wars. Wouldn't that be a better

goal,

>> right?

>> Instead of getting kids to [ __ ] learn

how to go shoot people they don't know.

>> Sure.

>> Because someone tells you to.

>> And how many of these out of all the

wars that we've been in since World War

II? Is it zero that made sense? I think

it's zero. I don't think there's one war

that we've been in since World War II

that makes any [ __ ] sense at all.

>> Sure. and they're like, I think the the

solution is we need more people to be

forced into it.

>> I mean, what would a draft look like in

today's culture? I mean, like with

inclusion, would it be like anybody at

18 years old can be drafted or do you

think it would still be just able-bodied

young men?

>> That's a good question.

I, you know, I'm for people doing

whatever they want, but when it comes to

like combat,

you're going to draft women, that would

be [ __ ] insane.

That would be insane.

So, are you not going to Are you going

to be sexist? Are you going to Yeah. Are

you going to go inclusion and say

everybody has to do it? Well, then

that'll be good for America cuz most

people would say, "Get the [ __ ] out of

here. Yeah, there's not a chance in hell

we're doing that,

>> right?

>> I just don't understand how people that

aren't elected officials that

essentially just run a tech company

would think it's a good idea to call for

national military service. I've heard

other people say that, too. I've heard

like podcasters and weird tech people

say it's a good idea. And I don't know

what the [ __ ] they're thinking. I think

they should have to go over there and

experience war and then and then come

back and see if you really think the

same thing.

>> Sure. I I buy that. I mean, or at least

go on like a USO tour or something. Go

with Jeffrey Ross to see what it's

about, you know?

>> Well, then you're just going to meet

people that are happy to see you. You

need to actually see combat.

I just don't get why we're even

listening to them. You You make

software. Keep doing that.

>> Yeah. It's interesting that they would

even have the

>> like why would they say that?

>> It doesn't No, it doesn't sound good.

And it's also they make weird

surveillance software that a lot of

people are like but how much are you

surveillance how much power do you have?

Like Tim Dylan went pretty deep on it on

the show which is I can't recommend

enough. If you did not listen to Tim

Dylan show you're [ __ ] up. It's the

funniest [ __ ] take on all the chaos

that's going on in the world. I don't

think there's anybody better right now.

His His podcast is [ __ ] phenomenal.

Um it's my must listen to podcast every

week.

>> Yep.

>> It's so good.

I just listen. But if you watch it, it's

even more ridiculous. He was He did this

thing about them giving OMPic to babies.

It was so funny. It was so ridiculous.

My dad did Ozmpic and he said, he said,

"Man, you know, like you can eat through

that." He's like, he's like, "You can

just keep going. I mean, you won't feel

great, but you know, it curves your

appetite, but you can you can get it

down." Well, Tim talked about it because

he did it and he said it didn't just

stop his desire for food, it stopped his

desire for everything,

which I've heard. Um, so there's some

people that think there's some good in

these GLP1s for addiction. Um, because

it curbs whatever that is as well. So,

it can help people with all kind all

kinds of addictions, too. Not just like

food addictions, alcohol, but gambling,

like weird stuff.

>> I heard that.

>> Yeah,

>> I did. I actually I was doing it for a

minute and it was around the time that I

was like one of the times I was trying

to quit drinking and I was working on a

record and um I was trying it out and it

actually curbed my desire for a drink.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> What else did it do?

>> Gave me really bad stomach cramps.

>> Yeah.

And also, I mean, that was like before I

really

I just I don't know at that at that time

in my life, I just wasn't really

concerned about what I put in my body,

you know? I say that while I'm smoking a

cigarette, but you know,

but dude, you're you're smoking natural

spirits. I think those are safe and

effective.

>> Yeah. You know, additive free.

>> Yeah. Um, I just, uh, I always wonder

about these things when things come

along that give people an easy fix.

Like, okay, maybe it works or maybe

there's some sort of side effect that's

going to [ __ ] you up for the rest of

your life. And for some people, there

is. I mean, some people are experiencing

all kinds of wild side effects. Stomach

paralysis is one of them. Um, Brian

Simpson got pancreatitis from it.

>> Really?

>> Mhm.

>> Yeah. He was sick in bed for like two

weeks. It [ __ ] him up. Yeah. Well,

yeah. I mean, the long-term effects like

you just have no idea because it's new.

>> You know,

>> I've also heard that the problem is the

dosages are too high and what, you know,

when you go into a doctor, they give you

a standard dosage and the way to do it,

some people feel, is to make a much

smaller dose than what they're

prescribing. And that that's what you

need. You just need a little bit of a

curb to it. Not like a complete

sessation of all desire to eat,

>> right? Get to that that high dosage

really fast could probably be harmful.

>> Or have some [ __ ] discipline. How

about try that out? How about try out

don't eat as much.

>> Same thing, right?

>> Except this way it's not going to kill

your body or kill your stomach or make

you go blind or what? What are the side

effects?

>> I was just looking

>> because there's a lot of lawsuits.

There's a [ __ ] ton of lawsuits that are

coming down the pipe because I think

people have gone blind. I think I might

have made that up. Chuck that.

But this there's some wild lawsuits.

>> Yeah.

>> Where people are claiming bad side

effects from this stuff, which you know

makes sense. It's a medication. People

vary biologically.

>> Can cause vision.

>> Permanent blindness.

>> Yeah. So

>> in one eye. Oh, well, you know, you got

your other guy and now you got a

six-pack.

>> Eye stroke.

>> Eye stroke. Oh, boy.

>> Wow.

>> Woo. Non arteritic anterior eskeemic

optic neuropathy. I don't think I said

that right. Sudden painless and often

permanent blindness in one eye.

>> Sounds like a punk band.

>> It does.

>> There's the other ones.

side effects. Uh, acute pancreatitis,

that's what Brian got, gallbladder

problems, gastroparesis,

stomach paralysis, bowel obstructions,

and potential thyroid tumors. H, mild GI

issues are common. These severe

complications require immediate medical

attention, often occurring more

frequently at higher doses. Yeah, that's

what they're saying. Uh it's apparently

when you're getting it from a

pharmaceutical drug company, you're

getting it that this is the argument for

um compoundingies apparently.

And then then there's a new one that's

coming out. What is it called? Ratuide.

>> Retratide.

>> Retatrutide. And this one is supposed to

be better because it doesn't cause

muscle loss and it doesn't cause bone

density loss and it's supposed to be

more effective.

Huh. investigational.

>> I mean, I don't I just typed in red a

true type was telling me.

>> Isn't that a weird word?

Investigational. Once weekly injectable

triple agonist medication targeting

GLP1, GIP, and gluccogen receptors

developed by Eli Liy, showing

unprecedented weight loss results of up

to 24% in phase 2 trials. They say that

this is going to be a trillion dollar

medication.

Or have some [ __ ] discipline.

>> Yeah.

>> Go to the gym, eat better, be healthy.

Do what Jelly Roll did.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, Jelly Roll was at the club

last night. He's down 300 lb.

>> That's [ __ ] nuts.

>> He runs like five miles a day. He works

out every day.

>> He looks fantastic. He looks like a

different person. It's like I I knew him

when he was like 500 lb and now I know

him when he's in the twos. It's like

he's a different human. He looks

different. Like I know it's still Jelly

Roll, but it looks like a completely

different man. It's nuts.

>> I remember when we did u I was in the

house band for Kill Tony at the Garden

and Jelly came out and did New York New

York.

>> I was there.

>> That's got to be a custom suit.

>> I was like that's a big suit.

>> Yeah.

>> And then the next time I saw him he was

like he is now. And um I mean help like

what I did cuz like I have an appetite,

you know, like what I do now like I I'm

basically doing like a keto diet cuz I

like to eat a lot of whatever it is. Me

too.

>> So if it's like a big salad, you know,

or whatever, but I'm down like 25 pounds

doing that.

>> Oh, that's nice.

>> Yeah.

>> Are you doing this with the help of a

nutritionist? Are you just doing it on

your own?

>> Just doing it on my own.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> You're laughing.

>> Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, it's just

um I've tried a few different routes,

man. I've been I've been, you know,

husky since I was a kid and shopping in

the husky department at Kmart, you know.

>> Is this uh do you think it's a genetic

thing? Do you think it's the way you ate

as a child? What do you think?

>> I think psychological a lot of it um it

was like the only thing I had control of

as a as a child is like food. It was

like and a scarcity mindset as well.

>> Yeah.

>> Just like the way that I,

>> you know, think about food is just, you

know,

>> probably not the healthiest. So for me,

it's just easier to say like I don't eat

these things cuz like if I eat bread or

something like that, it just hurts my

stomach now, you know, and I just I can

feel

like the difference when I don't eat it,

you know? I just feel better. I have

more energy. I just

>> 100%. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And once you get your body working

on ketones too, the thing is you just

your brain functions better. That's one

of the more interesting things. This is

why people take things like um

um like ketone, what is it? Ketone IQ.

>> That stuff's great. Like you just down

one of those little shots and it puts

you into ketosis temporarily.

>> Oh, really?

>> Mhm. Yeah. They're exogenous ketones. I

think the guy who just invented those

just died.

Um, he was also a guy that worked for

Balco Labs. He developed the the clear

that [ __ ] that Barry Bonds took.

>> Okay.

>> The steroids. So, this guy was a a

chemist. He was a scientist. I think

someone Oh, I think Chris Bell. Chris

Bell or Mark I think it was Mark Bell

just posted about it on his Instagram

page that this guy just died. This guy

was like one of America's great chemists

and he developed a lot of these things

including exogenous ketones according to

Mark.

But um that's one of the things that I

noticed when I went into when I did the

carnivore diet is that immediately

my brain just started functioning

better, which is what I try to eat most

of the time. Like this morning I ate um

sausage and eggs and sausage from an

animal that I shot. I like to do that. I

eat like I had Sable. This is the guy.

So this is Mark's Instagram. The

greatest chemist of our time and

possibly any other. Patrick Arnold is

dead. Patrick Arnold's the guy who made

the cream and the clear for the Bonds

and Maguire uh oh that Bonds and

Magguire bast blasted home runs off of

supposedly in addition to those

incredible inventions he also brought

exogenous ketones to the market. What

happened to that guy? How did he die?

>> That's an interesting picture to put up.

>> Yeah,

>> looks like Oswald looking at Jack Ruby.

>> He looks healthy. I want to know how he

died.

I wonder how old that picture was.

Organic chemist.

And Dion, too. Oh, he he had all those

uh pro what are what are those pro

hormones or whatever those things were

that people were taking that weren't

totally steroids, but they were kind of

steroid like.

How did he die? Does it say a weird

website, too?

Uh, he died at 60.

>> Maybe he's experimenting on himself.

Why don't you just just put in cause of

death?

>> I know. It should come up.

You would think a guy who's working on

like performance and fitness.

Does it say? No,

>> there's a Reddit post, but I don't know.

>> When you click on what happened Oh, to

David Arnold.

>> Somebody else.

>> Oh, Patrick Arnold.

>> Huh. So, it just doesn't say how he

died.

>> Nope. And it just happened. So, there's

not a lot about

>> Oh, okay. So, it hasn't been released

yet.

>> Yeah.

>> Doesn't say.

>> He made a lot of roids.

You got to wonder. the dude who's like

doing so much work in anabolic steroids.

He worked for Balco.

They were the ones that were making

undetectable steroids. Do you know about

that whole story?

>> This is back in the was it in the 90s,

Jamie?

>> The the Maguire

>> around 2000.

>> So, um they developed steroids that were

undetectable. So when they would test

for steroids, what they would do is they

would take because when I guess the way

it works is when they're doing a steroid

test, they're looking for very specific

molecules. So they invented a molecule

that had like additional things attached

to it where it wouldn't show up. And I'm

probably butchering that, but

essentially they were undetectable

steroids. One of them was called the

clear. And the guy who ran their lab was

called Balco Laboratories was this guy

Victor Ki who eventually went to jail

for that. And then when he I don't know

why he went to jail, but he got out and

then became an anti-stereroid

sort of activist and he was I don't want

to say activist, but he was essentially

he was ratting people out and saying

that this guy's probably doing steroids

and this is how he's doing it. And then

a lot of uh athletes were using his

company to use steroidfree

performance-enhancing supplements that

were legal. So he would show you what's

legal and how to do it. He knew a lot

about it because he did the illegal

stuff, too.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah.

>> I've got I've gotten a couple steroid

shots like before a show like if my

voice goes out.

>> Like what kind? Is it like a cortisone

or

>> I guess that's what it is. It's like

that one that they shoot in your ass.

Cheek.

>> Hm. What does that do like for your

voice when your voice

>> goes just brings you back?

>> Man, it's got to be rough when a [ __ ]

singer loses their voice.

>> Yeah. I mean, people have asked me

before like what my warm-up routine is,

and like I've never had one. And I mean,

>> two cigarettes,

>> a couple cigarettes. It used to be shot

of whiskey. Um, if I was really in dire

straits, I would take uh like a handful

of sugar-free gummy bears and put uh

boiling water on that.

>> Really?

>> And then the gummy bears would like coat

my throat. Huh.

>> Like honey, ginger, lemon.

>> Yeah. Hot water and lemon is a really

good one. There's something about that

that eases

>> really. It's like time off is what [ __ ]

my voice up more than anything.

>> Time off.

>> Yeah.

>> Really? Oh, so like your vocal cords get

out of shape.

>> Mhm.

>> Interesting.

>> Cuz it's hard to like keep them up, you

know? Right.

>> Unless you're like going in your garage

and screaming for two hours a night, you

know?

>> That's crazy. I never thought about it

like that. Like your vocal cords are

essentially a muscle like any other and

they develop over time

>> and you get endurance.

>> That makes sense.

>> Yeah. So, like the pandemic was like the

first time that a lot of us like had any

extended amount of time off from the

road and we all started noticing like or

at least me like I came back like

hurting a little bit.

>> Oh, that makes sense. I saw Guns and

Roses in Athens, Greece

>> and uh Axel Rose, you know, has that

crazy singing style. Yeah. It's like a

like and that has to be [ __ ] hell on

your voice and you know the show was

amazing but his voice is not the same.

>> It's just there's no way it can be.

>> Um I know Stephen Tyler like he's back.

>> I is he?

>> Yeah.

>> So he he quit for a while cuz he was

like I can't sing and then he healed up

and now he's back again. I don't know

exactly what he did, but I I played with

him back in January and like the boys

really back.

>> No [ __ ] That's [ __ ] great.

>> Singing his ass off.

>> That's [ __ ] great. I love to hear

that.

>> Mhm.

>> I saw the Stones a couple years ago at

uh Circuit of the Americas and Mitch

Jagger can still whail.

>> Yeah,

>> he can still whail. That That was a

great [ __ ] show. Almost surreal.

>> He's got a lot of energy, too, man.

>> So much energy.

>> It's crazy. He has two trailer trucks

that he brings with them that are just

gym equipment.

>> Wow.

>> Everywhere they go. Two big ass trailer

trucks just filled with gym equipment.

They say he works out seven days a week.

>> That's awesome.

>> And he's 180,000 years old.

>> He's still up there. Still. And then

Keith Richards opposite approach.

Whiskey, cocaine, LSD, no problems.

Still there, too. So it's like

>> Yeah.

>> Find something you love and stick with

it.

>> I know. It's so funny. Like it makes me

think of like we went out with Willie a

few times and um Willy's got like like

most artists he's got like 18 tractor

trailers back there but like I don't

know if you've been to a Willie Nelson

show recently it's like there's nothing

on stage. I'm like what's in all these

[ __ ] trucks? I never really got to

the bottom of that but there's like

seven or eight truck drivers back there.

>> It's all weed.

>> It must be all weed or something. You go

in, there's all grow lights and plants

and [ __ ] And

>> he's got that drink that they sell.

>> Oh yeah.

>> He's got that weed drink.

>> Willy's remedy.

>> Yeah. And Ron White brought some to the

green room of the comedy mothership. And

someone was saying, "Oh, you can't get

that's not real." I'm like, "It's real

as [ __ ] dude. That stuff's very legit."

>> It's real.

>> Yeah, it's very I don't know what the

rules are, the laws are.

>> Seems like it's starting to become like

a gray area. It should be

I mean they just made it schedule three.

Okay. So what that means is and I mean

listen it's a great step in the right

direction. I'm very happy that the

president did that. It really should be

regulated the same way alcohol is. It

should be for adult use 21 and older.

>> It shouldn't be maybe I wonder what the

issue Well, I'm sure there's a bunch of

issues, right? There's like lobbies that

are trying to keep it illegal. Like

there's the alcohol lobby that doesn't

want it legal because it cuts down on

alcohol sales. And I know they lobby to

try to make sure those laws stay in

place. And then unfortunately you have

prison guard unions

that lobby for it, which is [ __ ]

right? They want to keep their job. And

so the way they keep their job is to

keep people locked up. And the way the

way they keep people locked up is keep

laws that don't make sense. Like

[ __ ] up. That's a that's an evil

[ __ ]

that it's it just doesn't make any

sense. If you can buy alcohol, you

should be able Like I'm not saying you

should drink alcohol. You don't drink

alcohol anymore. Like I said, I took

months off. It's like you should have

some self-control. And I know some

people don't. But get your [ __ ]

together. You should. But other people

are fine with alcohol. They go to the

bar, have a drink or two, go home, go

out to dinner, have a drink, go at home,

have a drink while they're watching TV,

and they're fine.

>> Yeah.

>> It should be a personal choice. No adult

should be able to tell you what you can

and can't do and be able to lock you up

in a [ __ ] cage if you don't listen.

That's nuts. And in a free country, in

this country is as free as it gets in

this world, there's no way weed should

be illegal. It should be regulated and

it should be only for people that are

adults where, you know, you have to be

21 to be able to buy it. It's Look, it's

never stopped kids from getting alcohol.

They they still get alcohol. It's not

stopping kids right now from getting

weed. they can still get weed. But if it

was legal and regulated, first of all,

we'd get taxes from it, and that would

be huge for every state. You'd get a ton

of tax money that you're not getting

right now. And also, you would keep

people from getting locked up for their

own personal choices, which is just

insane.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, not a lot of people get locked

up for personal use these days. That's

pretty rare. But there's still there's

just way too many laws.

>> Yeah. I mean, it's interesting, too,

like if you have like

um like CBD flour, like technically

that's legal. Yes. So, like if you just

put some of your cannabis in a CBD

container, like

>> are there ways to like test that on the

side of the road? Like if you get pulled

and they search your car?

>> Not on the side of the road, but they

could confiscate it and then test it, I

think.

But there's weird things about like

legalization of I was watching a YouTube

video about what Texas's laws were. And

Texas's laws are the amount of THC by

volume.

So the thing about that is

if you get like gummies

>> like a a 10 milligram gummy will pass

that by volume and be legal. So, are you

saying that people can take 10 milligram

THC gummies and that's legal?

>> Yeah.

>> Because

>> they'll [ __ ] you up. Like a If you don't

smoke weed, a 10 milligram THC gummy

will have you going,

>> dude.

>> Take two of those and who knows what's

going to happen to you. I just watched

this movie that uh a friend of mine was

in this movie um Laney Wilson and we

watched the movie and I don't want to

spoil the movie for anybody, but it

turns out that the girl like she went to

jail cuz she was impaired while driving

and she was impaired by weed gummies.

And I was like that's kind of okay.

>> Well, depends on how much you took.

Yeah, but

>> if you take 200 milligrams to get behind

a wheel, you're not even exactly sure

what the road is.

>> 200 milligrams is a lot. Yeah.

>> Right. So, that's pretty impaired.

That's that's equivalent to like eight

shots of whiskey and then getting in

your truck,

>> right? You're impaired.

>> I guess you're right.

>> I don't think you should drive on weed.

I definitely don't think you should

drive [ __ ] up. But it's like the same

>> like I don't advocate drinking and

driving either. But if you have like one

drink and drive

>> like you're gonna feel like a little

relaxed and lubricated, but I don't know

how much you'll be. And it also varies

on who the person is. If the person is

used to drinking all the time, one drink

is not going to do a damn thing to them.

But for some people, one drink will make

you drive stupid. You'll do stupid

things.

>> Yeah. It's it's a it's all a personal

responsibility thing.

>> That's the bottom line about all of it.

And yeah, you shouldn't be out there

drinking and driving. You shouldn't be

out there eating 500 milligram edibles

and [ __ ] driving in a car. No. No.

>> I remember one time my drummer had this

like THC spray. Have you ever [ __ ]

with that?

>> Oh yeah. We had that back in California.

Like breath spray.

>> Yeah. And I was I was still drinking at

the time and me and my wife were both

just hammered and we were on this uh a

ferry like the tour bus goes on to the

ferry and the ferry carries you over

from um France to the UK and we were

like sitting in the lounge area on the

ferry or lounge area on the ferry rather

and um he had this spray and I was like

it's not doing anything.

>> Me and my wife both kept just spraying

it.

>> No. And um then I woke up in my bed just

like in a cartoon just like completely

removed from reality just and u yeah it

was it was a bad bad scene. I remember

one time I took a they had these THC

breath strips that they used to sell.

And the problem with these things, and

this is back uh in the pre-legalization

days of pre 2016 in California. And so

each store you would get weed at like

they would have medical stores. So you

could go to a doctor and say, "Hey doc,

I got a headache." And they go, "You

need medicine." and they would write

your prescription and then you can go

and like there's always reasons to to

have it just like there's reasons to

have Tylenol. Do you get a headache?

Yeah. Well, then you need it. Do you

have a backachche? Yeah. Well, then you

need it. So, you could get it pretty

easy. And um they had these breath

strips and I took one and I got on a

plane and I closed my eyes when I was

lying on the plane and I was watching

neon like cartoon characters that are

made out of neon light and they were

having sex. It was an orgy of And I was

just lying there with my eyes closed

watching these cartoon neon characters

[ __ ] And they they were [ __ ] in like

complete blackness, like void. So it was

just the colors of their weird bodies

just banging each other and then they

would shift shapes and another one would

pile on and they would I was like, "This

is crazy." It was very psychedelic. It

was almost like But when I'd opened my

eyes, the world was normal. Yeah. It

wasn't like I was the world was wiggling

and and I was just s I didn't have

anything to do. I was flying all the way

to New York. It was a six-hour flight.

By the time it landed, I had sobered up,

but I was like, "This is cra like how

much is in these [ __ ] things?" Cuz

it's they're not making them in the same

labs where they're making [ __ ]

Tylenol. Sure.

>> You know, I mean, it's some hippie, some

dude who's like pouring weed into a

machine and can't remember whether or

not he put weed in there cuz he's high

as [ __ ] so he adds double. They're very

inconsistent. It's like the micro doses

that I I used to get in Mon Georgia. I

was like, "Some of these are stronger

than other ones." And he's like, "Yeah."

So depending on the day, my boy Hubble's

like,

>> you know, he's going to ride it for

whatever it is.

>> Well, that's why we need legalization

regulation. That's the beautiful thing

about whiskey. You get a glass of

whiskey, you get a shot, you know

exactly what that shot's going to do.

>> The the shots of whiskey have been

having the same impact on human beings

for hundreds of [ __ ] years. You can

quantify it.

>> Yeah. And that's how it should be with

all these things. But the problem is

when they're outlawed, you know, some of

them are, you know, a glass of wine,

some of them are [ __ ] moonshine. Like

you you need regulation. And it's the

idea that there's laws against people's

personal choices. Just [ __ ] stupid,

man. There's plenty of laws that are

good. Don't murder people. Don't rob.

Don't rape. Don't do this. Don't do

that. That's great. Don't vandalize.

Great. Great laws. Makes sense. Better

society. Laws on personal choices,

especially things that you might enjoy,

like

>> having a joint with your wife, you know,

after dinner and just sitting there and

watching Netflix together. Like

>> the [ __ ] armed thugs can burst into

your house and take the joint away from

you. Like, who are we protecting? Who we

serving? Who we protecting and serving

with that? That's dumb.

>> Yeah.

>> It's just bad for society.

>> And it creates this business. Once a

business is established, the business of

enforcement, once that business is

established, that business doesn't want

to go away because now you have a bunch

of people whose jobs depend on enforcing

laws and enforcing these things that

don't make any sense. And they want to

protect that because that's their

livelihood. So now you got a quagmire.

Now you're in a [ __ ] terrible

situation that is no easy way out other

than ripping the band-aid off and making

it legal. You're also propping up the

cartels. That's the other problem with

it being completely illegal in this

country. federally is like, well, guess

what? It's there's still a demand for

it. So, legal companies that actually

employ people and give the the employees

health care and, you know, have rules

and regulations. No, they're not making

it. So, they're not growing it. So,

instead, you have [ __ ] cartels that

are growing it in California on public

land because if you get caught, it's

just a misdemeanor cuz it's legal in

California. So literally, I think it's

more than 80% of all the le the weed

that's sold in the United States that's

illegal is grown in California on public

lands by the cartel. And they use toxic

pesticides and herbicides. They they use

all kinds of [ __ ] that you're not

allowed to use in in normal farming,

>> right?

>> And you know, the only reason why it

exists is because we've made these

stupid [ __ ] laws.

So now that it's schedule three, it's in

the same category as like Tylenol with

codine,

>> which is not bad. It's better certainly

better than schedule one, which is

ridiculous. So now hopefully once they

do more testing and more studies, they

can get to a point where federally it's

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>> When did it um when did it get scheduled

as uh schedule one?

>> Well, the whole schedule one thing, this

is this is what I talked about when I

went to the White House recently, which

is a hilarious thing to say for a [ __ ]

like me.

that I helped get things scheduled. I

mean, when it all goes down in the

history books and they they attach my

name to this, it's going to be really

confusing. They're going to be like,

"Fucking that guy. What? How? What the

[ __ ] happened?" So, when in 1970, the

Richard Nixon administration passed the

Controlled Substances Act, and it made

uh DMT, psilocybin, LSD, all these

different things. It made them schedule

one. So that they the idea is that there

was no benefit including Ibagame which

is crazy. Uh which has means it has no

medical benefit and uh harmful and

addictive all these different qualities

that they attach to it. But the only

reason they did that was to target the

civil rights movement. The civil rights

movement and the anti-war movement.

That's what they were doing. They didn't

like the fact that these people were

causing trouble and then they were

organizing, you know, marches and doing

all these different things that were

disrupting the government. And there was

also this movement where people like,

why are we living the way we're living?

Like this was the ' 60s. Like, why are

we doing what we're doing? Like, well, I

don't want to be like my parents.

They're not happy, you know? I want to

live a life that's like freer. I want to

be filled with love and joy and I want

to, you know, have a good time and

follow the grateful debt around. Like so

a lot of people in government were very

concerned with this new movement and if

you go and like music is a great

example. Like if you look at the music

of the 1950s and then you look at the

music of the 1960s like what the [ __ ]

happened? Y

>> like if you look at the music of 2016

and the music of 2026 not much

difference.

>> Right.

>> Right. It's all great. So, but it's like

it's not there's not some revolutionary

crazy new change,

>> but you saw that from 1959 to 1969.

There is a radical difference. A radical

difference. 1950 you got like you go

from Buddy Holly to Jimmyi Hendris.

You're like, "Okay, what the [ __ ]

happened? Something crazy must have

happened." And it's drugs. It's

psychedelic drugs.

>> It's like the stone ape theory

>> in, you know, our modern society.

>> Exactly. To see it. Exactly. And this

terrified the administration and they

were really worried that they were going

to completely lose control of the

country. And so they passed this

controlled substances act. And that

happened in 1970. And from that time on

we've been [ __ ] You know, for 56

[ __ ] years we've been under the grip

of this stupid [ __ ] law that was

passed by the Nixon administration. It

didn't make any sense. Some of the drugs

that they added to aren't even

psychoactive.

They just threw a bunch of stuff in

there and they missed a bunch of potent

ones.

>> Yeah,

>> they missed five methoxy DMT. They

missed 5 MO DMT, which is one of the

most potent psychedelics, if not the

most potent psychedelic. You used to be

able to buy that online.

>> Oh wow,

>> dude. There was a company that you could

order from and they would send you a a

[ __ ] jug of it as big as this. Now,

the amount that gets you blasted into

the center of the universe and

introduces you to God is like the si

It's like the size that goes on your

pinky. Yeah. Like your pinky nail. Like

that amount. You smoke that, you'll see

God.

>> Wow.

>> And you could just buy a [ __ ] jar of

it online. There was a company called

the American Chemical Company. American

Chemical Company or American Chemical

Corporation. And you used to be able to

just buy five mythoxy DMT and they would

just send it to you like a jar of

vitamins.

>> Wow.

>> And then you could go to head shops and

buy salvia.

>> Oh yeah.

>> So salvia is a [ __ ] insanely po

potent psychedelic, which by the way is

also sage. Like sage is the same family,

the same genus as salvia.

>> So like think about it. Sage, meaning

wise, like like an old sage. Yeah. And

meanwhile, that is one of the most

potent psychedelics in the world. And

so, kids were going to head shops and

buying salvia. I don't know if they've

made that illegal now. They probably

have, right? Is salvia illegal now?

>> I think uh

I don't know.

>> So, Ari Shafir on Brian Redband's

podcast. Do you know this story?

>> No.

>> Okay. Ari Shafir went on Brian Redband's

podcast and took a giant hit of Salvia

and went under for like 10 minutes. And

when he came back, he said that he had

lived six months under the water with B

like with a

entire different community of human

beings under the water. Had

relationships, had a job, like had a

six-month experience and then came back

in that 10 minutes. And he was so

confused. He was so baffled. He's like,

"I had a life under there. I had a

girlfriend. I had friends." He goes, "I

had all these experiences."

>> No [ __ ]

>> Yeah.

>> Ari's crazy, man.

>> He's crazy. He's fun.

>> He came out to my show in New York.

>> He's the man.

>> He is the man.

>> Um,

>> but I mean, that's that's how potent

this [ __ ] Salvia stuff is. By the

way, a lady had a very similar

experience recently who uh went into a

coma. So, she was in a coma for an

extended period of time. I want to say

it was like a few months. And when she

came out, she had a whole life that she

said she had triplets and she had like

she was married, all these different

things. Here, here's a story. Uh she

asked for her triplets after waking up

from a coma. Doctors say they never

existed. When she woke from a coma,

first thing she did was ask for her

three daughters. Medical staff was

stunned. The response shattered her

entire world. Just like that, the

children she had nursed, watched grow,

and deeply cared for over seven years

were gone. So, she was placed in a

medicallyinduced coma for 3 weeks. And

what followed was a dream of a lifetime

quite literally. She was obviously not

aware that she was in a coma. Instead,

she slipped into a dream and a lifetime

unfolded before her eyes. Talking to the

outlet, the teen recalled having

extremely intense dreams and nightmares.

She was not aware that she was in a coma

at the time. So those dreams became her

reality.

So she became a mother. She said it felt

so real. She felt the physical and

emotional pain throughout the

hallucination. I could feel so many

things when I dreamed about giving

birth. I felt the stress. I also felt a

lot of pain in this dream. I gave birth

to triplets who I named Mila Miles and

Miley. Miley died shortly after birth. I

felt so awful, overwhelmed with sadness

and guilt. She recalled. She remembers

the first skin-to-skin contact that she

had with her babies. It was incredible.

I felt an overwhelming wave of love, she

added. In her dream, she lived for seven

years and watched her daughters grow up.

Each had their own personalities. One

was quite shy. The other was a bundle of

energy. I remember walks, meals we

shared, and bedtime stories. She loved

them with all her heart. And then she

woke up from the coma and was told that

her children never existed. That's when

they told me they didn't exist. I was in

shock. I was so convinced that it was

real that the time I saw my parents

again, I told them they were

grandparents.

>> Wow.

>> Whoa.

>> Man,

>> it makes you like wonder like what is

reality? What is this thing that we're

currently experiencing?

>> Yeah.

>> And we're currently experiencing this

thing, but what what is this?

>> Is this everything? Is this the whole

thing? Or is this like one channel on an

infinite radio and just while we're on

that channel, we think this is the

radio,

>> right?

>> Well, maybe there's maybe when you go to

sleep, maybe that's just as real as

being awake.

>> It's a heavy thought.

>> But the idea that you just shut off

every night as bananas.

>> Yeah,

>> we look forward to it. Oh, can't wait to

just go away.

>> Go away for a few hours.

>> Can't wait to not exist. And if you

don't like if I don't get enough sleep,

I'm like whatever whatever happens

during the the dream time, the sleep

time, the recovery, I feel it. I I've my

waking life like I haven't done what I'm

supposed to do by sleeping for an

extended period of time. So my this

reality is compromised. This reality I'm

dumber, my memory sucks. I'm more tired.

I don't have any energy. I can't wait to

go to sleep. Can't wait to shut off so I

could pay back the void.

>> Pay back the void. The time I owe

>> into the dreamland of bizarre dreams.

>> Yeah. And just the symbolism of dreams,

too. I've been having a lot of crazy

dreams lately.

>> Like what?

>> I dream about snakes a lot, which is a

good

>> snakes.

>> It's a good sign.

>> Is it?

>> Yeah. Dreaming about snakes evidently

just represents like shedding your skin,

going into something new, you know,

growing.

>> Or you're surrounded by people who want

to get you.

>> Or maybe that.

>> Yeah.

>> Whichakes both both can be true.

You know, the music business.

Yeah.

>> A lot of snakes.

>> Isn't it every business though?

>> Yeah. I mean just the idea like the

business side is just so in contrast to

like the artistic sensibility,

>> you know, an artist is supposed to be

>> not supposed to be but just like

psychological or makeup is more just

like open and just more just like giving

and wanting to share your craft with

somebody and more emotional, you know?

>> Yeah. Um, and then having to be like a

shark and having to think like these

snakes

>> contracts.

>> Yeah.

>> Sign the D line, Marcus.

>> You're going to make so much money,

Marcus.

>> It's only 7 years.

>> It's just seven years

>> with an extension. With options.

>> With options. How's it about?

>> You'll be free.

Don't worry about these song rights.

>> Yeah,

>> you'll have other songs in the future,

>> right?

>> That will be even better.

>> Bet on yourself, Marcus.

>> Take the money. Don't you want a big

house?

>> Don't you want a fancy car?

You need a Rolex.

>> Have you ever seen Late Night with the

Devil?

>> Uh, yes.

>> That was [ __ ] good.

>> Yeah, that's the talk show.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah, that is great, man. Who made that?

Uh, that's a good question. We

>> That's a really good movie, man.

>> We watched it on the bus one night. I

was like, whoa.

>> That was like 2019 or something.

>> It was heavy.

>> Yeah, this was Oh, 2024. Oh, it's an

Australian movie. Uh, Jack Delroy, the

host of a failing It's in 1977. Jack

Delroy, the host of a failing late night

show, decides decides to film a

Halloween special. However, the

broadcast takes a dark turn, unleashing

evil into the nation's living rooms.

Yeah, it's a dope movie. It was really

fun.

>> It was good.

>> It's [ __ ] scary as [ __ ] too.

>> It was scary.

>> Yeah, it was good. Bro, you know what's

[ __ ] scary as [ __ ] and really good

that I just found out about from my

daughter. There's a a new show called

Well, it's not even new. It's like four

seasons. It's called From

>> From Yeah.

>> What's it on? Is it on like uh

>> It's on Apple TV. I don't know if it's

an Apple show, but it's on Apple TV.

It's with the dude from Lost,

>> one of the dads from Lost.

>> Harold Perinu

also from

>> He's been in a lot of things. He's

great. And the show is [ __ ]

terrifying. It It is It's very original

and very weird.

Um, so it came out in 2022. Interesting.

>> First season premiered on Epics.

>> Oh, okay. What's it on now? Is it just

on Apple TV?

release epics MGM Plus.

Yeah.

>> So, it says in 2018 YouTube Red,

remember we were talking about YouTube

Red,

>> Canada I on Paramount Plus, India's on

Amazon Prime.

>> Oh, it was on all over the place.

>> Huh?

>> Where MGM Plus is?

>> So, it appeared on Epics. I don't even

know what MGM Plus is. Maybe that's just

the company. That's the production

company. So, in 2026, they renewed the

series for a fifth and final season.

It's [ __ ] good, man. It's good. And

it's really scary. It's really scary and

[ __ ] creepy and horrific. It's about