What's up everybody? Welcome back to

another episode of The Great Society

Show. I am Julian Dory and I'm Joey De.

How you doing?

>> How you doing? All right, we're going to

get right into it today. Def and I were

just looking at some wild emails

including this baby mama one that

involves Peggy Seagull talking with

Jeffrey Epstein and maybe maybe some

redactions, Steve.

>> Yeah, definitely some redactions. So,

what else is new?

>> Maybe something in those three million

files that are still missing.

>> Yeah. And they had 5,000 emails alone,

these two.

>> Oh, Peggy Seagull. Yeah, Peggy Seagull

is someone that if y'all ain't looked

into her before,

>> probably look into how connected she is

across New York City. I knew of Peggy

Seagull like in the tabloids long before

I ever knew her connection to Jeffrey

Epstein. I mean, lady can put a room

together. I'll give her that. But

>> what else is going on there, Peggy? What

else is going on? So, we're going to

talk about that in a minute. We're also

going to talk about the Whoops emails.

There's, I believe, 419 mentions of the

word whoops that we know of now that you

can find on Jmail, which is a copy of

what has been released by justice.gov

and the Epstein files. The context is

weird. That's why we haven't done that

topic until now because there's been

claims about it meaning one thing, but

it appears to be coded for a lot of

other things, including things that

maybe Jeffrey Epstein actually isn't

involved with, but he maybe

>> suspiciously is aware or can deduce what

might have happened in a very

>> he's rooting for it, you know.

>> Yes. Yeah. I see Def, ah, he knows he

knows everything. But we're going to

talk about that. We of course are going

to talk about Joe Kent. Fan of the show

by the way. Def

>> fan of the show.

>> Follows us on all socials. I thought

that was interesting. But Joe Kent

has really like the way that he's

addressed this. Obviously, it's going to

be controversial with with his

resignation, everything. But

>> some of the ways he has framed things

that went on around this Iran war and

his thinking leading up to it, I thought

were very fair and and very eye opening

as well. So, we're going to talk about

that. We're going to talk about what's

going on at Car Island as well, which is

completely ignored by a lot of us and I

think needs a lot more attention because

it is potentially a

I mean, you want to talk about like

where the boiling point is on this thing

potentially getting out of control. It's

look no further than Car Island. We will

talk about that. And you know, Dev, we

have not talked about our dearest friend

to this point very much. He he he had

one mention in the first episode we did

in this series, but that's our favorite

billionaire, Peter Teal.

>> He scathed by,

>> right? It feels like today's the day he

gets his proper attention.

>> It is Friday.

>> Yeah. So, we're going to be talking

about Pety and his buddy Jeffrey

Epstein. Have to say it like that. It

does appear the two were they were

close.

>> Yeah.

>> Right.

>> Yeah.

>> They admired each other.

>> Jeff and Pete

>> for sure.

>> Yeah,

>> for sure. Well, Pete admired Jeffrey. I

don't think Jeffrey admired Peter very

much, but he viewed him as a weigh-in.

We will discuss all that and I got a few

other things on Epstein as well, but

let's get right into it. The first these

baby mama emails, which I mentioned

right at the top.

>> So, this is a thread from August 2011,

which is approximately

8 n 10 months after Jeffrey Epstein is

officially done with his sweetheart deal

of 13 months in prison. Big air quotes

there because he went to his office in

West Palm Beach every day. But, you

know, he's starting to, I guess, put his

life back together, if you want to call

it that way. I guess that's what you do

when when you're done in prison. And he

is discussing with resident New York

socialite PR head honcho Peggy Seagull

an interesting proposition about

fathering children. And you know,

we talked last week about the Daily Mail

report. So that would have been an

episode, I guess, 396. But we talked

about how

they are saying that there was some

proof based on notes and testimony from

other women that Jeffrey Epstein had

said that, quote, "This is the mother of

my child." Referring to a woman. And

then there was a picture of him with a

woman and a baby, which that one doesn't

do as much for me. He could have been

standing

>> anybody. Yeah.

>> Right. And these were sick [ __ ] and who

knows what the hell they were even doing

there. But when you when you hear the

when you read some of the notes that

were taken of like, yes, he said this is

the mother of my child, etc., etc. It's

certainly interesting cuz there's a

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Furthermore, we also know that Epstein

had some obsession with eugenics and

formulating master race type children.

He also had an overinflated ego as to

how valuable his DNA was, at least in

his mind, and felt like he should

inseminate the earth with as many of his

gene pool as possible. Am I saying that

correctly?

>> Yeah. Yeah. I just I'm just laughing

because it's like the con. It's just so

wild.

>> Yeah. You can inseminate them with more

[ __ ] up DNA potentially. And you know

I I I won't go there with all that. But

that is why Zoro Ranch, which we talked

about last week in episode 396 as well,

and we will continue to talk about that

is why that is really the

very very unoverturned rock,

>> if you will, of this whole story. We

always talk about the island. We always

talk about New York. We always talk

about West Palm Beach. We talk about

France. Paris in particular. We talk

about London where he didn't have a

place, but Gilen did. But Zoro is the

one that gets ignored. And they they do

ignore the one out in Ohio in that New

Albany or whatever, that billionaire's

conclave. That's definitely fair as

well. But Zoro is where

the potentially very weird [ __ ] was

happening. You know, victims describe

waking up on surgical tables there, not

knowing how they got there, having

things probably taken from them in their

body. And when Epstein would fantasize,

and I hope that's all it turned into, by

the way, fantasize about

master race prophecies of his own

making. It would usually be referring to

Zor Zoro's where they would do that,

which feels straight out of like a very

[ __ ] up uh sidebar, if you will, plot

in a Breaking Bad episode that never

happened.

>> Yeah,

>> it kind of I don't know why I get those

vibes, but it's just what I'm picturing

in my head. Either way, this on this

thread, the reason we say we suspect

some things are redacted is because this

is not a linear back and forth. There's

Am I describing that right, De?

>> Yeah, I'd say so. There's there's

there's gaps in the communication of

replies

>> where the reply suggests that they had

just read a different email and are

replying to something new.

>> So, where do you want to start with

this? At the bottom or the top, Dave? I

think we just start right at the top

>> because this is in chronological order.

>> Yeah.

>> All right. So, the first one,

>> just a forwarding from Michael

Rubenstein.

>> Okay. Michael Rubenstein, who is a CPA

out of White Plains, New York. Fun town.

White Plains.

>> Yeah. You know,

>> fun town. Good bar scene.

>> Yeah. Westchester.

>> Yeah. Good. Good. Good times. All right.

So, first email, Jeffrey Epstein to

Peggy Seagull. Let the accountant and

Michaels do everything. you smoo and

find me a baby mama. So, this is Jeffrey

Epstein explicitly.

At first, if you were reading this in a

court of law, you might say, "Maybe he's

joking." And then you're going to read

the rest of this thread and realize,

"No, he's deadly serious." But this is

Jeffrey Epstein asking the preeminent

PR fixer in New York City, it's fair to

say, about Peggy Seagull, probably not

anymore now, but she was for years to

find him a baby mama. Fresh out the

slammer. Jeff's like trying to lay down

this generational

whatever. Okay, next email. Jeffrey

Epstein. I need great jeans. Smart,

pretty, funny. If you were 50 years

younger, whoops, 40. So, this is where

he uses the term whoops as well, which

we're going to talk more about in a few

minutes. This we're kind of viewing

separately. But there's another joke to

Peggy Seagull, who we I think we have an

article upd I'll I'll go over that in a

minute where she's finally responded to

some of these and claimed, you know, she

knew Jeffrey didn't have the best moral

compass or whatever. But, you know, when

you have a guy who's 9 months out of

prison for pedophilia after 43 women,

excuse me, 43 12 to 14 year old girls

claimed that he had raped them. And you

see him joking about you being 40 to 50

years younger, which I believe at the

time would have slated Peggy to being a

young teenager, maybe less. You know, I

feel like you kind of lose your right to

joke about that in any capacity

whatsoever. May maybe in any capacity,

but

if you're a convicted pedo, probably

shouldn't be doing that. and it should

probably set up some red flags if the

other person on the other end is

actually a decent individual, but it did

not.

He followed up that email, by the way,

before Peggy responded here with a with

a curious three words, no Soros types,

which I think is basically Jeffrey

Epstein saying he thinks George Soros is

[ __ ]

>> Yeah, I would I'd assume so.

>> Yeah, George Soros is a lot of things.

Evil being at the top of the list right

there. [ __ ] is not one thing I would

call him. I'd give him that for sure.

Next email. Peggy Seagull. She is

Brazilian and an actress. Totally

unstable. Listen to me. You need a

European intellectual and not an author

who will write about you. No show biz

trash. Is there an agency for this tall

order? Listen to how she describes a

potential woman, human being. trash. She

basically is saying, let me let me

translate in their crass language here.

Jeffrey, I'm going to find you a [ __ ]

dumpster who's going to carry your kid

for 9 months and then you can discard

them. Similarly, similar vibes to how

the, you know, new Halisco cartel

[ __ ] discarded all those poor young

victims in that insane racket that Cat

Schultz broke last year about them

basically abducting young pregnant women

and taking their children from them by

C-sections and then killing them. I

mean, that's the same kind of attitude

right there. And no, I'm not going to

try to see the nuance for someone like

this. She means what she says.

All right, next email.

Okay, go down. That's just them talking

biz. All right, here she goes. So, she

goes, "A baby mama. If I wasn't 102, I

would take that job in a nancond. Peggy

wants the sperm of Jeffrey to live on

through her." Can I [snorts] be the

auntie mama? Redacted

slashred redacted. I don't know what why

that would be redacted. I would be

excellent at that job. Here is the

problem. You have to find someone who

will take it this as a business deal and

not get crazy emotional. A top girl will

want a real relationship with the

father. A girl who wants a certain life

that can't get any other way is a

candidate, but must be stable like a

rock looking. So, they're looking for

someone who will be cooperative, who

they don't have any respect for, but has

some genes that they desire.

very strange way these people think

obviously.

>> Yeah.

>> I am thinking she goes back to the

European thing in the next email. I'm

thinking this is a position for a

European who understands the mistress in

this case baby mama mentality. You need

someone young without much of a career.

Maybe a professional student. Someone

who is kept and can keep going to school

getting all sorts of degrees. Also

doesn't have much of a family herself

because they don't want any [ __ ]

problems. They don't want them to have

any rock [snorts] to lean on. They This

is them psychologically. I mean,

literally, they're obviously discussing

psychology here, but they're

psychologically profiling a target, a

victim, if you will. The last thing you

want is in-laws. Ha. A wannabe socialite

is not the way to go. Looking and

looking. XOXO peg. Keep going.

>> That's it.

>> That's it right there.

>> So, there's some missing

>> from Jeff in there. But that that is

again when you start to put together the

context of Jeffrey Epstein potentially

having kids out there and you see active

discussions like this that also would

then start, you know, this is 2011 would

start to line up with similar timelines

of like what the witness in the Daily

Mail talked about which those

conversations occurred in the mid 2010s

>> or something like that. you start to

wonder,

>> okay, there's obviously a there there,

but is the there what we thinking? Like

they finished the job and he actually

did have a kid or dare I say many kids.

And again, I reiterated this in episode

396. I'm going to reiterate this again.

As this progresses and we find more

evidence or whatever, if that is the

case, it's going to be really, really

important on the public, starting with

me, all you listening out there, to not

try to get into identities. It's

completely unfair to any innocent kids

that, you know, would would be harmed by

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the article I mentioned about Peggy

Seagull. This is from March 16th, 2026,

so 5 days ago. Peggy Seagull admits she

knew Jeffrey Epstein was quote morally

compromised but continued to help him

gain access to elite social circles.

Hollywood power broker Peggy Seagull saw

her career unravel after her ties to

Epstein came under scrutiny following

his 2019 less arrest on sex trafficking

charges. Roughly 5,000 emails between

Seagull and Epstein sent between 2009

and 2019 were released by the DOJ

earlier this year. The correspondence

between Seagull, who has represented

clients like Steven Spielberg, Harvey

Weinstein, and Barry Levenson, shed new

light on the pair's seemingly symbiotic

relationship. Seagull opened up about

what she gained from her association

with Epstein. The revelations offer a

closer look at the Hollywood publicist

role in Epstein's social orbit. Go down.

All right. So, he gifted Peggy Seagull

$100,000 for her 70th birthday in 2017,

roughly two years before he was arrested

and charged with sex trafficking minors.

I had no problem taking his money, she

told New York magazine. He had lots of

it. Seagull laid out her plans on how

she was hoping to spend the money in an

email to Epstein. 30,000 was set aside

for a birthday party she wanted to host

in Southampton with 70 guests.

>> That sounds like what she was referring

to in those emails.

>> Yes,

>> the billings and the invoices.

>> That's a good point. I think I also saw

pictures of this party years ago online

like on a blog or something. That very

one in in Southampton. 30 grand for your

birthday. It's, you know, drunk change,

I guess. Another 15,000 was to be

donated to Elton John's AIDS Foundation

so she could attend a party at his house

in June. She wanted to buy access,

>> dude.

>> Got to love it. Seagull also revealed

she'd used some of the huge sum to

supplement her apartment renovation as

she was looking for temporary fix while

she waited for an amazing brown and

beige leopard rug that is wall-to-wall

carpeting for my whole apartment and

being made in France. When the apartment

gets done, you're my first visitor, she

wrote at the time, "Helped Epstein

regain access to Elite Social Circle."

So, this is actually before I get to

this, one of the ones I had heard of

before was Epstein's initial

welcome home dinner

getting out of college in December 2010

that occurred at his New York City

mansion that I believe included Prince

Andrew. I want to say George

Stephanopoulos, Katie Kurrick, I'm going

to stop there because I can't remember

the other names. It was put together by

Seagull. M

>> so she put together this crew of

eclectic you know elitist types and

Jeffrey Epstein was welcomed home from

his you know 13month

>> pedophile conviction [snorts]

whatever but while Peggy Seagull claims

she never went to Jeffrey Epstein's

island and traveled on his plane the

Hollywood publicist helped the disgraced

millionaire regain access to elite

social circles following his time behind

bars in the 2000s seagull got Epstein

invited to the 2013 Met Gala that's nice

and helped him gain access to dinners

alongside A-list names such as Martha

Stewart, Lauren Michaels, and Google CEO

Eric Schmidt. She also routinely added

him to screening list and occasionally

brought him herself. A close associate

of Seagulls claimed the publicist became

the lynch pin for Epstein's social life.

So, she was rebuilding him by getting

him around people. And this this is

enough in this article. I don't need

need to hear from this. I the one thing

I do want you to see is that what she

had to say about him in this interview

just because you just read those emails

and they look so suspect.

>> Hit it. What did she say

>> here? Go ahead.

>> Peggy Seagull admitted she wasn't

oblivious to the fact that Jeffrey

Epstein was morally compromised and a

con man. I was in denial, but if I tell

you that he told me he changed his ways,

then that's telling you I knew that he

was a pervert. he told New York

magazine. I mean, obviously I had a

sense that he had done something wrong

if he had gone to jail. Seagull added. I

wasn't oblivious that he was immorally

compromised and a con man. But I don't

know how to say this to you. The idea of

child pornography is so heinous that you

can't even think about it. You can't

even discuss it. I know it sounds crazy,

but it's nothing I wanted to deal with.

>> All right. I don't buy her when that's

my point. Like in those emails, they're

just talking about it like it's so fine

and like it's just weird. I don't buy

that for [ __ ] Specifically the line

though, I wasn't oblivious that he was

morally compromised and a con man. You

don't deal forget the morally

compromised part.

>> Yeah. It's like

>> you don't deal with a con man and talk

to him the way she's talking to him

there. I know she's a professional

smooer for a living.

>> Mhm.

>> Doesn't matter. The way you'll be my

first guest at the point. [ __ ] you. You

need someone who has no aspirations that

we could just send to college and keep

getting degrees. Like come on.

>> Yeah. And this is what I mean.

This is kind of my takeaway on Peggy

Seagull

[sighs and gasps] cuz we have to look at

all these different people who are in

the power parts of society now as

potential suspects of a greater scheme

which of course involves intelligence

and things like that. Things that maybe

are even above intelligence as we think

about it. Either she is the most

talented at her job, oblivious, useful

idiot

>> ever,

>> or she's in on something.

Meaning working with with some agency in

some way. Because Peggy Seagull, I

again,

she was the the the woman in New York

City. You wanted to get something done,

get people important in a room, that's

who you went to.

So, she's not dumb

and she damn well wasn't sitting there

with a con man and and exchanging 5,000

emails with him. Yes, his money's green.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah,

>> she's not going through that kind of

effort and having that kind of

schmoozability. Sorry, it's not

happening.

>> I I agree.

>> She's too busy of a person. She knows a

lot of people with a lot of money. She

don't need to deal with just him.

>> So, that's that's a that's a good find,

Dean. and and and knows enough people

with money that no one chirped into her

ear.

>> Crazy.

>> Like come on.

>> It's crazy.

>> Let's let's go to those whoops emails

cuz you saw there was a whoops in here.

And what I have been saying earlier

referring to the whoops is that when

people first saw some of these emails,

which we're going to pull up some of the

ones that have been seen online as well,

it appeared to be code for

killing

>> straight up where Epstein would be

saying would be saying it in a way as if

he knew that was going to happen or even

worse

he was maybe actively a part of it. So,

this was a famous email that went

around. Can we make this bigger deeper?

>> Yeah, this is an example of one of

those.

>> Mario Nall pointed this one out online,

but

on June 30th, 2014,

C wrote, and I believe they were

redacted, right?

>> Who that was?

>> Y

>> I give you permission to kill him with

he is lied apparently to you and he lied

to me. to which Epstein replies

immediately.

Wow. He replied like the same minute

[snorts] on June 30th, 2014 at 2:59 p.m.

He replied to that email on June 30th,

2014 at 2:59 p.m. Whoops. Yep.

>> Like, okay, that's a go. And we don't

know who that is. No one will lie to you

and get away with it from me. No one.

Whoops is correct. That's the next email

sent from Redacted to Jeffrey Epstein

>> where they recognize the term whoops.

Now, now let me play devil's advocate.

Maybe they're just seeing the slang he

used there like whoops and saying like

you're damn right you [ __ ] with the

wrong guy rather than actually like

talking in code. That's possible. But he

has some sort of affinity. I won't even

use the word code yet because you're

gonna see there's different contexts of

it. But he has a strange affinity with

the word whoops. And you know what I

haven't thought about yet, De? I haven't

thought about normal things like in your

life or my life. Obviously, not

referring to evil [ __ ] but you know,

like normal types of things where you

might have a word that you use to like

refer to it.

>> Like here's a funny one. Like when you

say biz.

>> Yeah. referring to like

>> clearly

>> people putting business or money over

anything else in the situation and it's

like a joke.

>> Yeah,

>> it could be that that is all Jeffrey

Epstein's doing. That's possible.

>> It's possible.

>> This what I can tell you of everything

I've looked at in a court of law

this whoops thing if you like created a

bunch of charges around that and put it

in a court

>> Yeah.

>> you wouldn't be able to convict him.

>> Yeah. It seems more like his

catchphrase, I'm realizing.

>> Yeah, but let's let's keep going on

these because the context is is

certainly

>> Yeah.

>> sinister. Which one do you want to go to

next?

>> That's what I wanted to ask. There's

there's

>> Let's do the RFK one.

>> All right. Yeah, I was going to say

>> so Robert F. Kennedy Jr. who,

you know,

had like 11 to 13 contacts in the black

book

with Jeffrey Epstein, like under his

name. His former wife, who is deceased,

committed suicide. That is the story.

When she did that, Jeffrey Epstein

received an email at 1:17 a.m. on May

17th, 2012 from Eva Dubin,

who his first name is Glenn, right?

Glenn Dubin,

>> Glenn Dubin's wife, the billionaire's

wife. We're [snorts] going to have to do

a full thing on these two cuz

yeah, there's there's a lot of history

there and a lot of dark [ __ ] But Eva

Dubin sends Jeffrey Epstein an email

where she says, "Mary Kennedy found dead

in her backyard." Dot dot dot. Epstein

replies,

"What?" So that was May 17th at 11:17

a.m.

>> Mhm.

>> Epstein replies

May 16th at I'm going to get to why at

11:41

p.m. I'm guessing that means Eva is

overseas.

>> I don't know the context there. and he's

in New York. That's my guess. But he

replies immediately or I don't know if

that's immediately, but he replies

>> like 30 minutes later. Yeah.

>> 30 minutes later. If she if she's in

Britain, she's in Italy, it's an hour

and a half later.

>> Mhm.

>> That kind of thing. But he replies,

"Whoops."

Weird that she's doing that in the

middle of the night. Maybe not. Maybe

because they knew them well and it's a

power family and she's like, "Whoa."

Possible, but certainly weird.

What else do we have? How many more do

we have there, De?

>> Um, we got

>> Oh, yeah. Let's see.

>> We got like five or six.

>> Okay, so this one from January 20th,

2017.

Redacted again. I Why are we redacting

people who say [ __ ] like this?

>> Yeah.

>> Turns out Ornella was raped when she was

18. Anna just told me today. Epstein

replies, "Whoops.

Like that's just sick. That that that

one again when I talk about like it

doesn't seem like it's always code or

maybe isn't code at all. That one

doesn't seem code. That just seems

like his making light or joking of

really really dark [ __ ] I [snorts]

think there was another one talking

about a girl and he said like dress up

or something. Is that the one you're

pulling up?

>> Yeah.

>> All right. So this is again redacted.

Jeffrey Epstein to redacted in July

2011. Redacted and they're redacting the

name of the victim, which they should

redact that. Redacted said she felt

God's presence next to her when she was

in bed. She knows that Jesus watches

over her and he helps save her life.

Whoops. And then Redacted responds to

Jeffrey Epstein, you should dress up as

him when you see her. What the [ __ ]

They ju they they think

>> they're like what is that supposed to

>> whether that's an underage girl or a

ofage girl doesn't m like they just view

them

not that this is news to any of us they

view them as total trash

and they think it's funny

next one just go up that's all the way

up Elkman died someone says that to

Epstein it's redacted Epstein replies

whoops this is in May 2015. He replies,

"Whoops, 26 minutes later." And then the

another guy, I guess there's a couple

people in the email, says, "He was the

godfather of my daughter. Can you

imagine?"

Epstein goes, "How do you feel about

it?" And then another person says,

"Well, angry and sad. He ruined a great

friendship that had a lot of laughs at

first. I ever had

a lot of laughs. The first time I ever

had a girl with satin sheets was a girl

he fixed me up with. Epstein asked if he

was medicated.

Other guy says, "I don't know. I called

him two months ago and he did not return

the call. Not sure I would be welcome at

the memorial next Tuesday at 3:30

Campbell, whatever that means."

>> You want to do the Rumbler one?

>> Yeah. And Mendelson.

>> Oh, [snorts] let's do Mendlesson first

because that's shorter. The Rumbler

one's wild. The Rumbler one.

Wait till you hear this. But but

Mandlesson,

>> this is

>> the disgraced British political fixer,

>> says to Epstein in March 2010, I think

Epstein's still in prison.

I think he's still in prison.

That's March 2010, but this is when he's

at his office in West Palm Beach cuz he

was allowed out of there for 12 hours a

day.

>> Ah, yes.

>> Mandlesson says,

>> makes sense. I have had a Vbad, very bad

setback with capital R who has somehow

got into my text. Now Def and I could

not figure out who R was. We sp we only

spent a few minutes on this but in the

comments maybe people can help as we get

context here. Man Mandelson 10 minutes

later without a reply from Epstein

follows up. What shall I do? You may

need to help. How does he see them? So

he's referring R is a person

>> and he's asking how does R see them.

>> Epstein replies five hours later or

>> yeah not is 5 hours later with and he he

almost this is like personal like it's

serious. He addresses him by name. He

doesn't do this a lot. Peter,

I'm sure would love to see number 10.

Now, what I took that as is a reference

to 10 Downing Street, where the prime

minister resides in Britain, which is

the political center of the country and

a place that a guy like Mandlesson would

have had a lot of access. So, he says,

"Peter, I'm sure, would love to see

number 10." Epstein then follows that up

9 minutes later. Whoops,

two exclamation points. Follows it up

again seven minutes later. This email is

probably compromised as well. Let's

talk. And then Mandeln replies 26

minutes later. Thanks, dot dot dot. Good

to talk. So, he's realizing in real

time, Epstein, that someone's actually

looking at these emails, which puts all

the other emails in question, by the

way.

>> Mhm.

>> They never seem to be worried about

people looking at the other emails. I

would think if someone could see these

emails, they could get into his

and and he never seemed worried about

it. So, this is a weird one.

>> It's weird.

>> It's it it again like when we were

looking at the whoops at first, we were

looking at it in the context of him

being aware of or complicit to or

understanding the context of like a

murder. And what we're finding is that

we found a bunch of emails where they're

talking in some other about some other

things that are coded or sinister or

insert blank here

and he's using it and it's opening up a

whole bunch of other rabbit holes.

>> This one though.

>> Yeah. Which [clears throat] leads us to

Deep's best find. This is [ __ ] crazy.

So, this is from September 2014 with

Kathy Rumler. And there's a lot of back

and forth here, and we're going to go

through it because Kathy Rumler was the

attorney for in Obama's White House. And

she was like a fixer in a way in a way.

And she had what 11,000 emails with him.

11,500 emails with Jeffrey Epstein. She

would call him Jeffrey Darling, I think,

and things like that. [snorts] And until

a month ago when this final trunch,

hopefully not the final, but what is

currently the final trunch came out, she

was still the [ __ ] chief counsel of

Goldman Sachs. And her relationship with

Jeffrey Epste has been public for years.

So why the [ __ ] Goldman let her stay

there? I don't know. I got to talk to

one of my guys at Goldman who maybe

knows something about that. But like

what the [ __ ] guys? like and and and

and again again it's another example of

the hubris

of these people from this class of

society

>> who think they're so above you that they

don't resign. Pull up Howard Lutnik's

Twitter real fast just so I can pick on

him for a second. [ __ ] scumbag put up

another tweet the other day.

>> Which also like Elon, what are you

doing? So he put up Go down. He put up a

tweet a bunch of pictures that look like

he was [ __ ] posing for Instagram

right here. This one

>> great spending time with the world's

greatest innovators. They're all right

here in the United States. America leads

in innovation and entrepreneurship

always. He does this really like [ __ ]

I I don't even know what that is, you

know, like [ __ ] and grin smile like

look at me. I I don't know. I really

dislike this guy. So, I'm I'm certainly

just biased against any against I'm

biased against the air he [ __ ]

breathes around there. But go back to

that real quick, Steve.

>> Yeah.

>> Sorry.

>> No, you're good. You're good. Old H.

>> Go back to the first picture with Elon.

What are you doing,

Elon? What? What? What are you doing?

You know this guy's a lying fraud. You

know he went to the island. You know he

took all his kids there. You know he

lied about it on camera with a [ __ ]

disgusting con concocted story. You know

he was neighbors with Jeffrey Epstein

forever. You know, he went in front of

Congress, admitted he lied, and

pretended nothing happened and went

right the [ __ ] back to working for the

president of the United States. And you

know, he hasn't resigned, and you know,

everyone hates him.

Why? Why are you getting a I'm I'm not

even saying you wanted to get the

picture. Why are you getting a picture

with him? Why are you a party to his

online [ __ ]

personal brand?

Like, be smarter than that, dude.

You're a [ __ ] genius. You're a

trillionaire. be smarter.

All right, go back to the [ __ ]

Rumbler email. What's I these people? De

[snorts]

>> I know

>> these people. You got more patience than

me, DeF.

>> Do I?

>> You do.

>> If I let it rip, then who would work the

board? [laughter]

>> When it comes to these people, you do.

All right. So, again, this is September

2014 with Kathy Rumler,

>> Jeffrey Epstein. You need to talk to

boss.

And I'm going to tell you immediately

that is referring to Obama when you see

these emails back and forth.

>> Rumbler says, "Agreed, but I need to be

prepared to say yes before I talk to

him. Don't know what that means."

Epstein understood. It comes down to

high risk/reward

lowrisk. Reward, professional,

emotional, and financial. So, they're

trying to convince him to do something

or convince him to

not have her to do something because she

said like, "I need to be prepared to say

yes." Rumbler, most girls do not have to

worry about this crap. Again, you see

like they're very conversational. Buddy

buddy, you know, like tongue and cheek.

Epstein girls

puts that in quotes.

Careful. I will renew an old habit this

week. Teal Summers, Bill Burns, Gordon

Brown, Jaglin, Council of Europe and

Nobel Chairman, Mongolia Press, Hard

Deep Puree India, Boris Gates [snorts]

referring to Bill Gates like his guy,

Jabore Qar, Sultan Dubai, Koslin,

Harvard, Leon Black, Woody, you are a

welcome guest at any. So, he's referring

to all his meetings that week. And that

is a who's [ __ ] who obviously no pun

intended. Also, if you think there are

interesting people in town, everyone

here for climate summit, Clinton

Security Council, holy [ __ ] I'm on

redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted

for next 30 minutes. The fact that he

says at the front of that email, "Girls,

careful. I will renew an old habit to a

woman."

>> No less to anyone.

>> To anyone.

>> Yeah. But to a woman

working in the White House in one of the

highest positions talking I mean it is

an it's not a secret. It's open. It's

OD.

Let's go to the next email. Kathy Rumler

unfased.

Doesn't look like you are prioritizing

your schedule very effectively. How? So

she totally ignores that reference but

she saw it like we all did. How are you

going to manage all that? This is Ungo

week. So the boss will be in town too.

I'll be here all week. You may get sick

of me. Just sat down on the train, so

can't talk freely. Wouldn't want to talk

to a pedophile on a train and have

people be poking around on that train.

Epstein replies, "Yes, I will be like

the emergency room doctor at Lennox

Hill. Put that crazy in room one,

gunshot surgery, and the quote cook

unquote, well, he can wait." I don't

know what the [ __ ] that means, but

that's just weird. She says, "Yes,

trains exist. People ride them to get

from one place to another. Germ

factories, however, DC today back in New

in New York on Sunday morning. Reed's

guy went down on all seven counts."

That's the next email. So, she follows

up 7 hours later. It's on the same

thread. She goes, "Reed's guy went down

on all seven counts." I don't know if

this refers to Reed Hoffman, but this is

from September 19th, 2014. So maybe some

sloo out there. Can Google around Reed

Hoffman friend convicted seven counts.

Maybe we can actually do that right now.

Thief see if we can find that. But

Epstein replies and that's after turning

down misdemeanors

which you know he has some experience

with this obviously at this point.

Whoops. There it is. So then she goes,

"Yep." And now he is a repeat offender.

I mean, this is She's talking about this

like this was a guy they were trying to

keep around and now, well, he really

[ __ ] himself because he's a he's a

repeat defender.

Sounds like it's someone you shouldn't

have been associated with after the

first offense or maybe before that. But

he goes double Epstein replies double

whoops at the repeat offender. Go down.

[snorts]

Rumbler goes, uh, yeah, we will now go

through a period of self-reflection and

despair. to which Epstein replies, "Reed

or governor."

Rumbler then said, "This gets weird. I

don't know what governor he's referring

to, but he she says, "Gov is not

Jewish."

He then says, "Of course not. He

wouldn't have been so stupid."

Rumbler replies, "Correct. One time,

maybe. Twice, no way." Meaning, don't

worry about

being convicted of rape and stuff like

that. Just don't get caught. That's what

she's saying. Again, lead attorney for

the White House. Epstein free now.

I guess telling her that he's free to

talk.

Rumler says, "I think I should do it."

Epstein says, "Let's see how you feel

Sunday." So, that's again referring to

that meeting with the boss. She says,

"Good advice." She then says, "I don't

want to give up my apartment in New

York." Keep going. Epstein says, "No

need to call Eric and get a data point."

Keep going. I will. The rent on the

apartment is significantly more than the

monthly salary. Referring to hers.

Epstein says, "How much and who pays

now?" Rumler says, "I have so much more

info to tell you on Sunday."

Epstein says, "Decision hard, easier,

harder, more complex."

referring to that same thing they were

talking about at the front Rumbler said

and I guess this is after she had that

meeting both harder and easier he was

there because this is now at 8:30 that

night so they've been talking throughout

the day and having hours long breaks

while they're doing [ __ ] in the middle.

Epste goes I assume that means harder to

say no, easier to say yes.

Rumler says harder to say no for sure.

Epstein says try to get a good night's

sleep. See you Sunday. Rumler says, "I

will try." And then sends him an email

in the middle of the night. Did you read

David Brooks today? Okay. Referring to

the New York Times columnist David

Brooks.

He he is such a close adviser to her.

He's also floating the whole when

they're talking about her salary. She's

a government employee at the time. So,

this is going to get I'm thinking off

the top of my head here, Dave, maybe

I'll mess up my legal ease, but if she's

on a government salary and can't afford

the rent and she's telling that to him,

is that a suggestion of like, hey, maybe

you can help me out there, which I think

is illegal.

>> Well, yeah, of course

>> that's illegal, right?

>> Yeah,

>> because she's not an elected official.

She's someone that works in government.

That's the only reason I'm asking

>> for No, for sure. I'm just smiling

because I'm like, yeah, on top of the

bar barrage of illegal [ __ ] going on,

>> dude.

>> They're they're talking about a rapist

and basically saying it's it's a shame

he got caught instead of like it's a

shame he's a rapist. I think that's what

the context was. Correct me if I'm

wrong. It sounds like that was a context

of rape charges who's seemingly

related in some way to Reed Hoffman, but

we only have a read there, so it could

be a different read. Have to say that.

But he's also clearly advising her on

>> high level White House things. If the

boss is not Obama himself, which it it

really appears it is. That would be my

best guess. It's someone very high up in

the White House cuz she was extremely

high up in the White House.

>> And he's just openly they're again

they're talking on a regular [ __ ]

email server. It's

>> crazy

>> about serious [ __ ] And that one was

certainly a little coded as well. But

the the the whoops thing

is weird. It's not a convictable kind of

thing in a court of law, but it is weird

and it is certainly certainly sinister.

All right, DeF, real quick. I got to run

to the bathroom. We're going to come

back and we're going to talk Joe Kent

and get back to some Epstein stuff after

that as well, but we got to talk Joe

Kent, Iran, and Car Island.

All right, we're back. So, one of the

big news points this week was Joe Kent,

the director of the National

Counterterrorism Center, resigning from

the administration and doing so in a

resignation letter that he published to

his Twitter that on his Twitter alone

has over a 100 million views. And when

you count screenshots that were posted

all over the internet, I mean, this

thing has been viewed all over the

world. Because to state the obvious

here, the timing of such a resignation

is

quite interesting given that we are in

the midst of an Iran war that

at any moment could, no pun intended,

explode into something far far worse. I

will say this is definitely the most

concerned

I have ever personally been

at global chaos in my lifetime. Even

with COVID,

you know, I didn't have anything to

basis off of because I was the farthest

thing from a doctor or a vyologist. I

remember when that happened in in my

head even then, like at the very

beginning when we knew nothing, I just

had the idea that like, all right, this

is not good. You know,

some people are going to die, which

which is which is tragic, but we're

going to get through this. Like this

this is going to be all right. This is

actually something that, you know, crazy

to talk like this now with it, but it's

something that could unite the world,

maybe. I don't think I was very right

about that, but you know, it didn't feel

like a world ender to me. And I'm not

saying right now that this is a world

ender. What I am saying is things that I

have previously in my lifetime taken for

granted such as the use of nuclear

weapons and a domino scenario potential

with that. You know, maybe there have

been some closer calls in my lifetime.

Obviously, there were certainly close

calls in the 60s that we know of and

even the 50s, but like maybe there have

been some times where I could have been

thinking about that or that we never

knew about. But as far as like having it

in your conscious and being a regular

citizen and thinking about this at my

house right now like or at my apartment

like wondering what this could be, it is

actually a thought and that's not to be

a fearmonger or anything like that. I

would like to think cooler heads will

end up prevailing here because as we're

going to talk about with some context

the this might be one scenario where the

dollar sign always running [ __ ]

people's opinions might not be the worst

thing in the world. You know that is

what these [ __ ] people who make these

decisions in back rooms respond to. And

so maybe maybe that will help. But when

you have a guy as

at as high of a position as Joe Kent,

who is I believe an 11 Tour of Duty

Green Beret, special forces guy. Was he

Green Beret or Army Ranger? I just

blanked out. I want to make sure I get

that right.

>> Green Beret.

>> Yeah, it was a Green Beret who also, you

know, Green Berets do this a lot. like

they'll end up working with CIA on the

ground because they're known as being

excellent at making relationships with

people on the ground. We've had Johnny

[ __ ] Glenn, that is his

nickname, in here to talk about that in

episode 300 and I believe 304 where you

know he he was a longtime Green Beret

and he talks a lot about like their

skill set and what they're known for

there in that department. So you got a

guy who has seen basically the entire

global war on terror. That was his era.

His own wife, he has a gold star

husband. His his first wife was killed

in Syria as a part of the global war on

terror. This is a guy who understands

from a first person perspective in every

possible way what this looks like over

there and what the domino effects are to

use that term once again and what the

implications are. And when you have him

who was a very

very confident,

excited endorser of the current

administration prior to them winning the

election in 2024 when you have him so

publicly

stepping down at such a critical moment

like this and then going out of his way

to immediately begin the media tour. At

the time of this recording, he's already

talked with Tucker Carlson. We're going

to talk about that in a minute. our

friend Scott Horton as well as Crystal

and Sager.

I think there were one or two others he

did and he's going to do Shawn Ryan on

Monday, couple days after this comes

out. So, like he's going out there. He

talked at I think a Catholic prayer

breakfast this morning. I'm going to

play some of that video in a little bit.

Like he's going on a tour to get the

word out and I guess stand up for what

he believes in. And there's always going

to be people who see this another way,

think it's suspicious, think he has an

agenda, he's looking for attention,

stuff like that. I don't know. I need to

see it play out. But what I can tell you

is I listened to the entire two hours he

did with Tucker Carlson the other night,

and

I thought it was brilliant. I thought

Joe Kent

came across as a measured,

principled,

calm, collected,

in some ways anti-drama,

factbased,

evidence-based individual. Does that

mean he's right about everything? No.

But he did not come across in any way to

me as a liar. Someone just looking to

scream at the top of his lungs and and

you know get everyone panicking like

crazy. Even though what he is talking

about here certainly has high stakes.

That's why he allegedly like why he left

the office. But moreover, and I'm going

to I'm going to get to his letter in a

minute for people who have not had a

chance to read it. We should go through

that. Moreover though, his letter which

I will read again was very critical of

the influence of the Israel lobby in

prosecuting this war and in his opinion

pulling us into the war. So a lot of

people especially on that issue it gets

very controversial. People online are

you know the people who support Israel

and the people who are against Israel

[ __ ] go at each other all day. And I

I certainly have my problems with their

government right now and I've been clear

about that. But and the actions they've

taken in Gaza, which is a genocide. I've

also been very clear about that. Like

you have to call things what they are.

Doesn't doesn't matter if they're

someone who's listed as an ally of the

United States, which I don't think

they're a good ally at all. I could go

into that all day. We're also talking

about a guy who worked for them who's a

[ __ ] serial rapist, sex trafficker,

arms dealer. Insert blank here. And

Jeffrey Epstein. That's that's a whole

separate rabbit hole. But

you would have thought he would have

gone on to Tucker Carlson's show,

especially Tucker who's a friend of his

who is very critical of Israel. I think

righteously so in a lot of ways, but you

know, certainly will go really, really

far with some of those opinions. You

would think Joe Kent was going to come

out and just be like, "Yo, [ __ ] Israel,

fam." And just go guns blazing. He

managed

to while being critical of the Israeli

lobby influence and being critical of

some of the intelligence sharing that

goes on there and being intelligence

sharing a huge air quotes and being

critical of their role in decisions

being made and being critical of the

influence they may have on the White

House. He managed to do it in a very

sober, calm, educated, professorial way,

more so than even Jeffrey Sachs, who I

like a lot, who literally is a professor

at Columbia, like very, very fact-based.

And he probably even would have pissed

off a lot of the anti-Israel crowd by

putting himself in their shoes multiple

times throughout the interview. He he

used phrases, and I'm paraphrasing here

because I want to make sure I don't get

it wrong because I don't have it in

front of me, but he would use phrases

along the lines of, "Now, if I were

Israel, I would see it this way, too, or

I would look at Iran this way, too, or

they have every right to look at Iran

this way as it relates to them."

He wasn't just going in there as I think

the crowd that hates him, the very

pro-Israel crowd would have wanted him

to, which was throwing his middle

fingers up and saying, "Fuck them." He

was doing it in a dignified like he was

he was putting his points out there in a

dignified way that also saw some things

strategically from their perspective

while juxtaposing that with the

perspective of the United States and the

United States government which is

elected by us and tasked with advancing

our interests in the world and also

tasked with carrying out the promises

that any administration would have made

on the campaign. pain trail

which they're not doing with this war to

be very clear and we covered it in

episode 393 when I had the monologue at

the end of that you know where you have

the secretary of state Marco Rubio and

the speaker of the house Mike Johnson

both huge huge [ __ ] longtime Apac

donor receivers by the way

>> you had them both on the same day at

separate press conferences a couple

weeks ago admit it out loud that the US

got into the war because they knew

Israel was going to attack and therefore

they were going to get blowback. So to

minimize casualties, make less, they

felt like they had to get involved in

the war, which means Israel was

dictating what was going on here. And I

remind you, this is a country that

receives billions of dollars in funding

from us, which Kent also laid out very

kindly and objectively on the podcast.

He didn't scream at him. But what he

said is if we are giving you billion

dollars of funding for your defense and

we are helping you as your ally and you

are relying on us, we do get to dictate

what you do, especially as it pertains

to the use of our military for force in

any region around the world that may not

be in our best interest, the United

States. And it needs to be made clear to

a country like this who is listed as an

ally, that we dictate how this goes.

There is nothing wrong with what he says

there. That is in any relationship,

remove the names, remove the fact that

these are countries we're talking about.

In any relationship that occurs, that is

how it works. Okay? If you run a [ __ ]

company worth a billion dollars, you're

the founder and CEO,

you're paying some guy to manage, I

don't know, one aspect of the company.

Does he get to tell you

how you spend your money and where you

put all your resources?

[ __ ] no.

If he does, he's gone. Suggestions are

welcome. And I get to say if I'm that

CEO, I like it or I don't. If I like it,

let's do it. Great. If I don't, we're

not doing it. That's all Joe Kent's

saying. And

of course, he's taking a lot of flack.

Like I said, of course, people are going

to be like, "Oh, he's an attention [ __ ]

doing all this stuff." And I hope none

of that's true. He doesn't strike me

that way. Never has. I I got, you know,

he's a very conservative guy. I got some

political differences with Joe Kent. I

had heard him, not all of it, but I had

seen some clips of him on on Ryan's show

back in 2024 when he was on that and

like, you know, he's he's got his

perspective on things. That's great. But

like, this is a American issue right

here. We're talking about our guys going

over there and we've already seen

caskets come home and flag drape

coffins. And Joe Kent has earned the

right in every possible way to know a

lot more about that and have a way

bigger voice in the matter than someone

like me or any of you out there who

haven't served. Those of you who served,

I'd say the same thing as it relates to

him. But like he he's got a damn well

right to discuss that and discuss that

with fervor. And he obviously stuck it

out. He didn't resign before the war

started. He didn't resign a day

afterwards. Like he tried, but

this

it had reached a point where it was

clearly out of control. And you have to

remember Donald Trump. I don't say this

as a shot. This is just a fact.

This is a guy

whose business strategy worldview was

shaped by Roy Conn, who taught him to

always go on the offensive, never

[ __ ] apologize, and always show

strength, among a couple other things.

And Trump will do that no matter what.

So, yes, and he's very entertaining in

doing it. There's no doubt about that.

That [ __ ] that Pearl Harbor one the

other day was killing me. That was one

of the funniest [ __ ] that I I almost

[ __ ] myself when he said that in front

of the Japanese prime minister.

[sighs and gasps]

You She didn't tell me about P Harbor.

Okay. Like that was [ __ ]

that that was crazy. But

privately there have been a lot of

reports and I believe them that he's

flipping the [ __ ] out about this because

you know there's been a lot of reports

that for example

they warned him about Iran being able to

shut down the straight of Hormuz

and [clears throat]

that's what happened and now he's upset

about it. We're going to talk about that

in a few minutes as it relates to Car

Island. But, you know,

he also literally campaigned on no war

in Iran specifically, like no wars, but

like no war in Iran.

>> And like I guess broken clocks, write

twice a day, Kla Harris in her lines on

the campaign trail said, "Elect Trump,

you're going to get a war with [ __ ]

Iran."

>> Yeah.

>> Hey, got to give it to her.

>> She got that one right. You know, so

when you see that, it is very

disheartening because objectively when

you look through the last

administration, to say nothing of the

fact that Biden wasn't even alive for

all four years, just unelected

administration in charge. You were

talking about an administration that gas

lit people on mass, gas lit people on

vaccines, gas lit people on Ukraine, gas

lit people on censorship, gas lit people

on Afghanistan, gas lit people, I mean

the list goes. gaslet people on gender.

The list goes on and on. Lies and lies

and lies and lies and lies. That is

objectively what it was.

And as it pertains to this war,

I see no difference between Karine Jean

Pierre and Caroline Levit, the press

secretary for Biden and the current

press secretary for Trump. It's lies.

She lies like she breathes. It's like a

redux to I mean Kierre

was just [ __ ] I mean it got to the

point where it was hilarious. She would

just lie like a mattress every day and

Levit's doing the same thing and right

when Kent did this resignation she went

right into mode. She got caught. She

said like

the day before and it was screenshotted

and everything. She said Iran poses no

imminent threat to the United States and

then responds to Joe Kent's letter the

next day when it comes out. Iran does

pose an imminent threat to the United

States. Get the phrasing right if that's

cool if I want to make sure I don't mess

that up. I'm sure people can help me in

the comments with that. But like that's

a lie.

And to defend Carolyn Levit and Karen

Jeanpierre,

you know, they're put in a position

where they're told what to do, I guess,

in that job, but quit the job. Don't

Karine Jean Pierre wrote a book about it

afterwards called like middle ground or

something. why she's not a Democrat

anymore. Don't do that for three, four

years and then be like, "Yeah, no. I

totally disagree with it the whole time,

but I was happy to keep doing the job."

Like, you know what you're signing up

for.

And then if it's way worse than that,

may maybe leave the job

and Levit, you know,

you should think about that. You got

your whole life in front of you, kid.

much you like 28 2.9 like this is a very

bad look very very very bad look and so

I was impressed with Kent his letter I

want to make sure we read that on the

record again a lot of you have seen this

but can you just pull that up already

got it thief's [ __ ] on it bro I don't

know how you keep track of all these

[ __ ] links I give you like 70 million

links and it's

>> come on son I'm Chinese

[laughter]

>> no I'm I'm organized you know I

keep everything flush. [sighs]

So, this is from Joe Kent and the

resignation to Trump. [laughter]

President Trump, after much reflection,

I've decided to resign from my position

as director of the National

Counterterrorism Center effective today.

I cannot in good conscience support the

ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no

imminent threat to our nation and it is

clear that we started this war due to

pressure from Israel and its powerful

American lobby. Three things there.

Number one, 10 years ago, someone ever

says that publicly and never heard from

again. Number two, congrats on him for

putting that right out at the front. And

also, apparently, he had a private

meeting with Trump where he discussed

the resignation and said this as well to

his face, which I really appreciate

that. And number three, once again, cuz

Joe Kent has been on record about this

in the past, and he made it clear again,

I believe, the other night with Tucker,

no one, including Joe Kent, is saying

the Iranian regime is in any way good,

that they're not tyrants, that they

don't kill their own people,

that we wouldn't love to see them all

gone yesterday. That is not what people

are saying here. What someone like Joe

Kent is saying is that the world is a

really [ __ ] up place and it's

complicated and there are third, fourth,

10th and hundth order effects of things

and as much as you want to be the police

and help every [ __ ] person who

suffers around the world and trust me if

you got a beating heart out there like

me, you want that too. That is not the

reality. Give you an example. Why don't

we invade China because they're killing

the weaguers? Because it's not smart.

I hate that they do that. It bothers me.

They do it to more than the Weaguers,

too. They do a lot of [ __ ] up [ __ ]

over there. But you can't just go invade

a [ __ ] country with, you know, a 20

trillion plus dollar GDP and how even if

they're lying about however many [ __ ]

hundreds of millions of people they

have.

That's not how it works. So with Iran,

yes, bad regime. Yes, never should have

been put in charge. Yes, I hate what

they do to their people. Yes, I have

advocated publicly for their people to

overthrow that government forever,

including publicly since episode 129

with Jim [ __ ] Lawler back in December

2022. Probably did it before then, too.

But that's the last one I can remember

at the beginning. Like, yes, all these

things are true. That doesn't mean you

go prosecute a war with them because

there are odd alliance odd there are

[ __ ] strategic alliances here that

are domino effects. Again, I think

that's the fifth time I've used that

term. That can make [ __ ] a lot worse.

And as we're sitting here, we are

sitting, we're going to pull up this NPR

article in a minute to discuss Car

Island, but we are sitting here

dangerously.

I don't want to say on the brink. I

don't want to I don't want to overly

fear-monger here. I'd like to think

we're still not at the cliffside, but we

are slowly walking the plank towards the

cliff side of a global economic crisis

if we allow the like the [snorts]

largest place in the world where oil's

[ __ ] getting moved to continue to be

moving at a standstill, mind you,

settling any oil deals they do in

Chinese currency rather than the dollar,

which hurts. That's a whole I I don't

even want to get into that.

We got problems

and smart people force all these

problems. People of average intelligence

force all these problems.

But our government's acting like they

didn't foresee these problems. And now

they are deploying Marines to the area.

And also when I I do have to say this,

when I see P Hegth

or as Oh my god, what's that dude's

name? Kurt Mills. I think his name is.

Shout out Kurt Mills. As Kurt Mills has

called him, Crystal Meth Rumsfeld. I

think that's a perfect nickname. I hope

I got Kurt's name right. He's on

Twitter. But he was the one who coined

that. I thought it was [ __ ] awesome.

>> When I see Crystal Meth Rum Rumsfeld get

up there and, you know, drop some

[ __ ] bar that he thinks is like Wuang

Clanesque, whatever it is for the day.

Like you see the one the other day where

he's like, "We're sharing the ocean with

Iran. We gave them the bottom half."

Like, you know, he wrote that down and

like looked himself in the mirror was

like, "Fuck yeah. God damn it. That's

[ __ ] great, Pete. Go get him." And

then come out there and say this stuff

and then use the lives of the service

members we've lost

to say, "Oh, we've had a chance to talk

with all the families and they've all

told us to finish the job." when there

are literal news reports of families

talk I'm not saying this represents all

families but at least some of the

families talking about how this was

quote totally unnecessary

and a war that I posted the video on my

Twitter you can go find it I posted it

multiple times

one of the airmen who died the family

went to local news like what the [ __ ]

they created a you can't just go create

a war it's unfair and other and they're

like other families are suffering too

you know some of these families feel

that way so don't propagandize their

desk like that.

I mean, it feels like George Bush 3.0

here.

>> Mhm.

>> All right. I I I got a real problem with

that. And I do think in the commentary

I've seen like from Joe Kent so far,

there's no one who has more respect and

reverence for that than him. He's lived

it. His wife died. [snorts] Let's go

back to this letter. So, I left it off

where he started in the second paragraph

talking about Israel and its powerful

American lobby. He then says,"I support

the values and foreign policies that you

campaigned on referring to Trump in

2016, 2020, 24 and you enacted in your

first term. Until June of 2025, you

understood that the wars in the Middle

East were a trap to re were a trap that

robbed America of the precious lives of

our patriots and depleted the wealth and

prosperity of our nation." That's true.

In your first administration, you

understood better than any modern

president how to decisively apply

military power without getting us drawn

into never-ending wars. You demonstrated

this by killing Casim Solommani and by

defeating ISIS, which is something that

Joe Kent had

supported in the past, including back

when it happened in January 2020. And

that's something I've been critical of.

Cassim Solommani was a terrible guy. I

mean, he's terrible guy. World's a

better place without him. But that was

at the time a risky move where Iran

ended up bluffing. So, it worked out.

But I was like, why are you poking the

hornets? You know what I mean? like bad

guy, help fund terrorist groups, not

happy, not upset that he's dead, but

like it's not it's not that simple. That

one worked out. What about the next one

that doesn't? Early in this

administration, high-ranking Israeli

officials and influential members of the

American media deployed a misinformation

campaign that wholly undermined your

America first platform and swed pro-war

sentiments to encourage a war with Iran.

He's referring to the neocons

effectively. this echo chamber was used

to deceive you into believing that Iran

posed an imminent threat to the United

States and that you should strike there

with a clear path to a swift victory.

This was a lie and the same tactic the

Israelis used to draw us into the

disastrous Iraq war that that cost our

nation the lives of thousands of our

best men and women. We cannot make this

mistake again. As a veteran who deployed

to combat to combat 11 times and as a

gold star husband who lost my beloved

wife Shannon in a war manufactured by

Israel, I cannot support sending the

next generation to fight and die in a

war that serves no benefit to the

American people nor justifies the cost

of American lives. I pray that you will

reflect upon what we are doing in Iran

and who we are doing it for. The time

for bold action is now. You can reverse

course and chart a new path for our

nation or you can allow us to slip

further toward decline and chaos. You

hold the cards. It was an honor to serve

in your administration and to serve our

great nation. So, first of all, to

respond to people like Mark Levvin and,

you know, the very pro-Israel

American media who's called this out and

referred to it as anti-semitic and

stuff. Alan Dersowitz did that as well.

He called Joe Kent a neo-Nazi.

I I tweeted about a a neo-Nazi Jewhating

something something. That's that's

defamation. There's nothing like that in

here. He is referring to a lobby that is

a legalized lobby, specifically Apac,

who he does not mention by name, but

lobbies that represent the interests of

Israel, who provably with a lot of money

have encouraged

foreign actions here. There is nothing

wrong with pointing that out. He is

simply reading a [ __ ] spreadsheet.

All you got to do is read the money.

There's nothing anti-semitic about that.

And [ __ ] you for [ __ ] saying that it

is. You are only sewing more

anti-semitism

across America and other places by doing

that. And sometimes I really, as I've

said before, I wonder if that's the

point. It's It's gross. You can disagree

with him. By the way, if you're Mark

Levy, you are free to disagree with Joe

Kent and and or Alan Dersowitz. You can

try to beat him on the facts here. No

problem. But don't don't do the labeling

[ __ ] That's beneath you. And like

honestly, I know Mark Levin and Alan

Dersowitz and those are two guys I'm

picking on because they were publicly

saying things like this about it. I know

intellectually they're smart guys.

Okay, that is below your intellectual

line and you know it. So stop it. But

this this was a big deal to see Joe Kent

do this. And there was one clip I had in

there that I texted you. You got it

ready? So, this was I guess yesterday

where Joe Kent went and spoke at some

Catholic's like breakfast or something.

I I'm not really sure what it was, but I

just want to I want to play a minute or

two of this. And And before I do, De,

can you find a clip? Type in Scott into

Twitter. Scott Horton

Joe Kent

Syria or ISIS and you'll find it. It's a

minute or two. You got it. talking

about.

>> Okay.

>> So, I'll I'll let you find that.

>> This one right here.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll have that

ready to go. We're going to play two

things right here real quick. Let's

start with the first one.

Boom.

>> This decision to follow your conscience.

Give us a little backstory. How did that

happen?

>> Um, [clears throat] without getting too

much into detail, I just did a long form

podcast with with Tucker. kind of laid

out the entire politics of of the issue.

But look, after serving 20 years, uh,

mostly deployed to the Middle East,

fighting the wars over there, and just

seeing how our country had been lied to,

and wrought down the wrong path in the

in those wars, and that we were getting

sucked into another one, and that the

American people didn't have the full

story, and our country did not have a

vital national interest in this current

fight. I said, "Hey, I in good

conscience can't do this." Because that

was a promise I made to myself probably

20 plus years ago when I was deployed to

Iraq. Once I realized after my first

couple deployments that we we weren't

there for the reasons that our

government told us we were there for, I

said, "If it's ever my turn, if I'm ever

an adult in this situation, I ever have

a position of responsibility, I will not

in good conscience send young men and

women off to die on foreign

battlefields."

Okay, pause it right there. That's all I

need. Measured, dude. Principled.

I I I don't see why. Again, you can

disagree with him strategically. This is

America. like that that we can't

discourage even if it is something that

a lot of us feel strongly about which is

like we don't want to see another war. I

know I feel strongly about that. I

certainly have some bias in that

department. It is it is a real red line

for me. But like we can disagree

diplomatically. Attack him on evidence

and merits if that's the way you want to

say it. Don't attack him on labels that

are [ __ ] Now, here's the clip with

Scott Horton because in the letter Joe

Kent refers to when his wife Shannon was

killed in 2019.

He refers to that as a war manufactured

by Israel. His wife was killed in Syria

and the entire Syria situation.

He actually laid that out in a lot of

detail with Tucker, I believe. I hope

I'm remembering that right. But this was

a nice snippet right here from our

friend Scott where he kind of again

without any like prejudice or you know

even anger at his talking about his wife

[ __ ] being killed by the way just

lays out what the logic on that is.

Let's play it. [snorts]

>> Leaving Iraq in 2011 it was evident that

we had basically handed over Baghdad to

the Iranians. Um, and so the the Israeli

lobby said, "Hey, this is this is a