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>> We're up. [music] So, the guy that did

your bar, uh, Flying Guillotine.

>> Uhhuh.

>> Is the same guy that did the Mothership.

>> Oh, wow.

>> Richard Weiss. Yeah. Richard. Yeah.

Richard. The same designer architect

>> who did your bar. I have a Flying

Guillotine t-shirt that I wear

sometimes. I did. I was trying to find

it this morning. I couldn't [ __ ] find

it.

>> I wore mine yesterday. I went to the

Alamo Draft House and did a screening of

of the film. And uh I said, "What would

it be appropriate to where my Staten

Island Alamo Draft House hit him?" And

the guy there, he was like he thought he

he he wanted to wear his but cuz he tell

he he stole a stack [laughter] on Staten

Island, but he couldn't find no one. But

uh

>> the flying

>> somewhere I've got it somewhere in my

house and I I was scrambling this

morning looking for it. Looking for that

t-shirt. Couldn't find it. Well, we got

to sing you some more.

>> Definitely. Definitely. So, uh, it's

great to see you again, man.

>> Back at you, man. Back at you. Just, uh,

like I got questions for you.

>> What do you got?

>> Well, I was think like like, well, I

remember you had the this place in

Woodland Hills.

>> Yes.

>> That was what, eight years now?

>> Uh, we've been out here for six, six

years.

>> So, about six years ago.

>> Yeah. You were there like eight years

ago, I think.

>> Yeah. Um, and I just remember you having

uh the like the hyperbolic

>> hyperaric chamber.

>> Yeah, the hyperbaric chamber. Do you

still are you still that?

>> Was that what it was or was it the

sensory deprivation tank?

>> Oh, the one where you float.

>> Yeah. Is that that cuz we had that at

the studio. That we didn't have a

hyperaric at the studio. Okay.

>> But I do have a hyperbaric.

>> You have that now here?

>> Yeah. Not here. I have it at my house.

Yeah. I just was always impressed at um

just your consciousness on things that's

are unique, right? And and uh I just you

know and as time goes on sometime you

know as we evolve whether we evolving

physically, mentally, spiritually or

economically sometime we leave certain

things behind

>> right

>> and I was I said I wonder if Joe keep

moving his chi in the same direction.

[laughter] So that that's my question to

you. Well, sometimes it gets caught up

in momentum and you got to step back and

just realign yourself. That's that's

definitely a factor. Like sometimes I'm

too busy and I get too caught up in

momentum of things and you kind of like

lose like why am I doing this? Like what

is the what's the process? Like what

what is the reason for doing all this?

But vacation always fixes that. Like

take a few days off, you go [sighs]

>> okay now.

>> Yeah. I I feel the same to be honest.

I've been running around for like uh I

don't know for like eight days straight

and I like to kind of make sure I

exercise, do my Tai Chi or something or

stretch my body. Uh but um I was telling

my wife last night like, "Yo, I haven't

worked out since we've been moving

>> and uh but I've been drinking every

night." [laughter]

You know what I mean? So I'm like I gota

um so today this morning be before I

came here I got up a little bit earlier

and I went and stretched and got all

that out. And that's what made this

question come to my head was like I

wonder like as we grow and we become

more and more involved and we getting

whatever it is in life that's given us

>> how we getting these blessings but how

far do we get away from the blessings

that kind of made us solid? You know

what I mean?

>> Yeah. I try not to get as far I I try to

stay as close as possible to like

centering my body. Like if I don't work

out like just a couple days in a row, I

start feeling weird. Just two days,

right?

>> Two days I just start feeling like

>> Yeah. crack crack

>> I feel antsy. I feel irritated. Just I

don't think I'm thinking clear. I don't

feel relaxed.

>> I think I'm the same. I maybe for me

it's three and a half days. [laughter]

>> Well, what drives me nuts is like how

many people out there that's their whole

life? there's no exercise in their life.

Like my god, you're doing yourself such

a disservice.

>> Yeah.

>> You're not you're not a

your mind not not just your body, but

your mind needs that. You need to blow

out some steam and run the machine and

stretch it out and relax it afterwards

and reenter yourself. And if you don't

do that, you're going to be anxious.

There's so many people dealing with like

constant crippling anxiety all the time.

And how many of those people don't

exercise?

>> Right. I I think that um in Shaolin

philosophy, we um you know, there's chi

gang, right? And there's uh the the the

chi travels through your blood. So you

got to always continue to have the blood

moving because the blood is the supply

you have, but the oxygen, you know, gets

in it and oxidates it and just keeps it

flowing. And when you do stretching or

you do exercises or you build up your

respiration, uh it actually energizes

the blood which energizes every part of

your body. It that chi travels through

every vessel and uh every meridian of

your body and it actually does enhance

you and and and reinvigorate you

>> 100%.

>> Fires up your endorphins, fires up your

endocrine system. Everything just feels

better

>> and it calms you down. I I feel like

human beings are almost like batteries.

Like you're storing energy all the time.

But if you if you've got too much

energy, it's leaking out of the battery

and you you're not you're not purging

some of it. You got to per you got to

your body has like human requirements

for movement.

>> And if you don't if you don't use those

requirements, if you don't meet those

requirements, you're just going to feel

like [ __ ] And I think that's a big part

of what's wrong with society today.

There's just way too many people that

aren't doing that and they're just tense

and they're they're tense, anxious

feeling and the and the mental health

problems that come with that. It just

spills over into everything else.

>> Right. I I got to agree with you. And um

I know that people that like my Seafood

Xian Ming who uh he probably works out

like six times a day because he has to

train he has individual clients.

>> Right. Right. Right. But um I think

Sefue is maybe 10 years 10 years old 10

[clears throat] years older than me.

Look 10 years younger than me.

>> Right. Of course.

>> You know what I mean? Cuz he's just

constantly uh moving that chi and

exercising. He's

>> He still could kiss his toes.

>> All right. In his 60s.

>> Wow.

>> All right. Babies could do that. Right.

>> Right.

>> He still could kiss his toes like a

baby. Um, but he said something to me

that I that I that I took just heed to

for myself. I said, "Uh, Cifu, why do

like why do you work out so much?"

Right? He gave me two answers. He says,

"One, it feels good. It makes me feel so

good." But then the other answer he gave

me was that because in Shaolin

when you get up in the morning you have

to exercise run up a mountain run back

down the mountain do chores and all that

before you eat. And he said if you don't

do that you don't eat. And so I was like

well that sounds like something from the

Bible where it says that uh man should

work to the sweat of his brow. You know

what I mean? And I took that philosophy.

So I nor I don't normally eat in the

morning. I would normally get up. I mean

I drink coffee now. So I've been

drinking coffee about 10 years I think.

Uh but I will have some coffee, some

water and bamalama. I I I get into my

exercise routine when I'm home.

>> I think that's the best way to start a

day. Yeah, I do the same. I don't work

out. I don't eat rather before I work

out.

>> I always work out first.

>> Right. So because we then then the then

the water is fresher. the the food

tastes better.

>> You earned it, too.

>> Exactly. You earned it.

>> It's just a good way to start the day,

too. You already did the hard part.

>> The most difficult part of your day is

done, right?

>> And then everything else. And also like

that difficult thing makes the mental

difficulty of the rest of the day work

smoother.

>> Yeah. You have a remember that old

commercial um the army commercial?

>> Which one?

>> It was like we do by 6 a.m.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

some [ __ ] like we do before 6:00 a.m.

when most people do all day.

>> Yeah.

>> It's like back when you first, you know,

when I saw that I was young, I was like,

I don't know the [ __ ] they talking

about. But as a man, I'm like, you know,

that's that's wisdom. Get up in the

morning, get your chi going, uh, and

have a beautiful day.

>> There's something too to getting up

early where you you force yourself to

work, you force yourself to rise. The

comfort of your bed calls you, but you

go, "Fuck you." You get up, [laughter]

you get [ __ ] done, and you're like, "I

already won. I won today. I've got a

victory. I've got a victory over my

inner [ __ ] You know, I got out there.

I did something. And then

>> I'm laughing. No, cuz you say you told

the bed, "Fuck you."

>> Yeah, that's what you have to say. You

have to get up almost angry. [ __ ] you.

[laughter]

>> No, you're not going to call me in there

with your octopus tentacles and suck me

into your depths,

>> your depths of warmth and comfort. No,

[ __ ] you.

>> Get up. Get up. Get going. That's why I

like to get in the cold first thing.

That's my my morning routine is cold

plunge before I work out.

>> That's deep.

>> Yeah.

>> I can't now. That that is that's kind of

extreme for me. I'm you know I'm not

[ __ ] with the cold like that.

>> You get used to it. I'm telling you, you

get used to it. It becomes like a normal

thing.

>> How how long you stay in there?

>> Three minutes.

>> Wow.

>> It sucks. But uh every time I do it, I

almost don't do it. Every time I do it,

I'm almost like don't do this. I don't

want to do this. [ __ ] this. Right.

>> And then I get in like, oh, we're doing

it. We're doing it. And then I I I take

my phone and I set I got a little

kickstand on the back of my phone, you

know? So I put the timer on there and I

look at it and it's like it's at a

minute. So I'm like, "All right, we're

good. We're past the minute."

>> Once you get past the minute,

>> the minute mark is the tough part. Once

you past the minute, it's pretty easy to

get to 3 minutes. You just relax.

>> I only did one ice bath. Uh and it was

um they had bought this uh Tibetan llama

to uh to New York. It was me. I forgot

the brother name. We was doing this uh

TV show thing and they were trying to

find out. They like they were scanning

our brains and see what would happen if

we got in the cold bath before

meditating then meditated and then get

back in. Like so whatever was some some

science and I said yeah I'll do it. I

don't know why I agreed to it but I did

it right. But uh I got in that

[ __ ] bro and when I got in there

I was like this is not the [ __ ] right?

[laughter]

like this and the host he got into.

Now, I don't know if that was his first

time or not, but he was younger than me,

skinnier than me, you know what I mean?

And

when I couldn't take it no more,

around one minute and whatever, it was

past the minute mark.

>> Mhm.

>> I got the [ __ ] out, but he was still in

there and I was like, I can't have this

[ __ ] beat me. [laughter]

Hey yo, I got back in.

>> Nice.

>> You know what I mean? Um and I um they

got some footage of that. I think I

stayed in I don't think it was three

minutes, but I think I really impress

myself because I'm super anti- cold.

>> You know what I mean? I I run hot. I

stay hot. I'm the hot part of the of

getting, you know, when my wife is cold,

she just put her hand on me and I'm I'm

the heater. [laughter]

>> So So cold is like something that um

>> Yeah. I don't like it,

>> right? I don't enjoy it. But there's a

little mind game that goes on. And the

mind game is almost immediately like,

"Oh, [ __ ] this. Let's just just let's

get out of here. Let's get out of here."

You got to ignore that and just

concentrate on breathing. So, what I do

is I I breathe to a count of 10. So, I I

do this. One, [sighs]

two,

three,

[sighs and gasps] four, and I just

concentrate on the numbers and then by

the time I get to 10, it's basically

like a minute and I'm relaxed and then I

just settle in there. It's just you

concentrate on breathing and don't think

about that part of you that wants to get

out,

>> right? So, I'm I think I'm I'm going to

try a cold shower.

>> It's really good. Cold shower in in New

York is great if you uh like in the

winter because that's real cold. That's

real cold. Like that's like I used to

take cold showers in my friend Bob

Caparella, he used to do this uh at our

taekwond do school. He would take cold

showers after training and I was like

that guy is in [ __ ] animal. And I

tried it a couple of times, but I was a

[ __ ] I did it like 15 seconds and I

jumped out. But he would just stay there

and in the cold freezing cold winter

cold water and just wash himself. And I

was like this guy's an animal, man. I

think um my brother [snorts] Kung Lee, I

haven't seen Kung Lee in years.

>> Kung Lee the fighter.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Um um I remember we was because we did a

movie years ago in China, but he was he

was the cold plunger of the crew.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Kung, he's ahead of the

curve on all that [ __ ]

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> It's just it's the mental thing is where

really where it benefits you. And not

just while you're in it, like doing it

cuz you don't want to do it, but when

you get out, you feel so good. your

brain just is flooded with all these

endorphins, right?

>> You feel so good and it lasts for hours

and hours.

>> I'm g uh I'm gonna re re I'm gonna

revisit that. And

>> I think there's like there's numbers on

the dopamine increase, but I I forget

what they are off the top of my head,

but there's a giant increase in dopamine

that lasts like two to three hours after

you're getting out of the cold plunge.

>> Wow. I didn't know that. I didn't know

that. But yeah, I know you you're a

longtime martial arts student and I

think anybody that does martial arts for

a long time realizes that it is as much

for your mind as it is for anything

else.

>> Yes.

>> Like it's not just a workout. It's a

workout, but it's also like there's

something about going through the

motions of of martial arts and training

in martial arts. It's so it's so it

requires so much concentration and it

requires so much of your focus that the

rest of the world just kind of fades

away and and the impact of it is

relaxed.

>> Right.

>> Because of that

>> it's mental, physical and spiritual.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh it's emotional.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

>> it's will you know there's a there's an

esoteric thing um you know seven planes

of energies or five stages of

consciousness. I don't know if you ever

came across these type of uh terms but

probably have but but

>> sometimes we we get stuck on the on just

the three dimensions you know what I

mean just three planes you know and and

you don't get to the emotional you don't

get to the will part of it you don't get

to the realization the control right if

you could get to realization

then you can control what's going on

because you realize what it is it's

almost like you can now have the

foresight of what it

Um and then then if you could get to

that type of uh plane of energy then the

possibilities become infinite because

you realize that that you like you know

they say we all have a free will right

but then you realize that the will can

be controlled right you also realize

that with a strong will you can control

others as well because some people are

walking around with weak wills

>> um

>> that's how you start a cult

>> [laughter]

>> Oh, by by having the strongest will

[laughter] you come here.

Yeah. Hold. You made me uh I have a I

have I do have a film and [ __ ] right?

Um um called One Spoon of Chocolate

>> and I watched half of it.

>> I had a problem. There was a problem

with the the early screener. I was

mirroring it on my television and it

kept breaking up. It kept [ __ ] up

where like the sound would cut in and

cut out. And I did it a couple of times

and then the screener ran out cuz I

guess you can only watch it a few times.

>> So then I had to contact your people and

then they gave me another one. But then

they gave me one on Vimeo and I watched

that in the gym today. So I watched the

first half of the movie and I watched

the second half and all.

>> Oh, good. Take take your time. Take your

time. It's it's it's it's a it's a crazy

one. It's a fun watch. It's a lot of

>> ways, but

>> And you did it with Tarantino.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> Which is amaz And it seems like kind of

it's got flavor to it. But I was I was I

brought it up just to say that there's a

there's a uh character who actually

takes ice plunges, right?

>> Yes.

>> Um and the bad guy.

>> Yeah. The villain. Yeah.

>> So you're talking about Colts and things

in a way

>> there's a scene where uh when he when we

introduce him,

>> you could tell that everybody else there

are bending to his will, right? He shows

him how to do this and yo you do this

and you do that and the then the there's

the [ __ ] I guess the weak will guy

and he's like and that's why Jimmy's the

[ __ ] king man [laughter]

right so

>> I laughed at that

>> exactly exactly

>> it was so that's the point I'm making is

that so will can control you know what I

mean yeah

>> but if you realize yourself and have

that self-realization self-actualization

you gain control over yourself you know

what I and and control your planes of

energy. So we talking about martial arts

and martial arts help you achieve that

goal.

>> Yeah. My uh instructor used to say that

martial arts are vehicle for developing

your human potential.

I like that that if it's so difficult

that in learning how to get I I I don't

like the term mastery because I don't

think you ever really master martial

arts, but in learning martial arts, the

difficulty that's involved in that, it

expands your potential in everything

that you do.

>> I agree. And for me, I I actually, you

know, I always tell people on a physical

level, I I don't know if I'm good or

not, to be honest. You know what I mean?

took up some Hungar and Shaolin of

course uh um little bit of Wing Chong

here and there but but I don't claim to

be like a martial art fighter but I will

claim to be a martial artist because of

the mind because the way I think because

the way it allowed me to think you know

it's like it's like I have probably 20

books on Tai Chi

>> and I read them

>> and so I understand it the application

of it like there's a meditation called

the eight pieces This is a brocade. You

ever come across that one?

>> No.

>> So, uh it's

>> what's the word brocade?

>> Yeah. Brocade meaning blockage.

>> Oh, okay.

>> So, it's eight ways to unblock yourself

like to unblock your chi. Uh one of the

first ones, of course, you sit in lotus

and you just take your thumbs and you

bang on the back of your basically your

medulla ablant like even if you could

touch this real quick if you don't mind.

>> Bag of your head.

>> Yeah. Right here.

>> Okay.

>> You see how loud that you see how loud

that is?

>> Yeah. Right. So you cover So you cover

your ears and you bang on those drums

first thing in the morning.

>> And it Exactly. And it opens up some of

your chakras.

>> So

>> that feels weird [laughter]

>> because it's it's loud. It's as loud as

it could be, right?

>> Yeah. But point being made by studying

all these different uh books is like the

physical part of course is exciting but

to me the mental part is even became

more exciting the more that I can apply

therefore I can apply it to my music. I

can apply it to business. I can apply it

to how to be a a better father and all

those things versus uh

>> me just punching and trying to break a

brick. You know what I mean?

>> Right. Right. Right. Yeah. There's I

mean that's Tai Chi, right? It's all

mental. The Taichi is a martial arts

sort of. I mean, I guess like it you

would learn how to move your body better

that could kind of help you applied in a

self-defense situation, but it's much

more of a mental martial art.

>> And I used to when I lived in San

Francisco, I used to watch people in the

park. These uh old Chinese people would

go out there and practice practice Tai

Chi. I was like, what are they doing?

[laughter] I was a kid. I was, you know,

I was eight. I was dumb, but I was like,

what is the purpose of doing this all

day?

>> Right? Like and then once you do it a

few times, you're like, "Oh, this is not

easy to do, right?" And then in doing

that, it cleans your mind of everything

else that's going on because all you're

concentrating on is these movements,

these very difficult move. They're not

stupid. Like they've been doing this for

thousands of years for a reason because

it it helps them. Well, the crazy thing

about Tai Chi, um, um, give you a

little, uh, information about it that

you may or may not know, but the idea

with Tai Chi is that if you master it or

if you have that control over it, you

should be able to move a,000 pounds with

just 4 ounces of energy. So, the idea of

them pushing constantly means if

something ever came to them,

that's they push that aside without even

thinking about it,

>> right? Because just 4 ounces of energy

can divert. It's almost like tripping a

giant.

>> I think it's great on paper. [laughter]

An actual giant. I don't care how much

Tai Chichi you know a dude is like a 300

lb all-American wrestler comes charging

out. You ain't going to use 4 ounces of

energy and divert him.

>> Well, I'm going argue that. Right. Okay.

The 4 ounces you use is just

>> step to the side.

>> Yeah. Everybody says that. Step to the

side. It ain't easy.

>> Doesn't work.

>> It doesn't work. They grab you,

>> right?

>> You're not getting up.

>> But then then another Well, I mean, a

fight is a fight. That's that's a that's

a difference between a martial art and a

fight, right?

>> Well, it's also just the reality of

physics,

>> you know? I mean, it's it's one thing if

you're doing that to an unskilled

person, but to a skilled person really,

you need to know the skill that they're

applying. Like, you know what I mean?

Like that's the difference between like

someone who is practicing something that

is great in theory but I mean it's not

it's not just in theory like physically

and mentally it's great for you but it's

just it's not the right application in

terms of actual handtohand combat.

>> Yeah. I mean a fight is a fight. I don't

care um I mean in my opinion a fight is

a fight. I don't care what I don't care,

you know, if you're the best boxer in

the world that knock [ __ ] out

like like like one of our greatest

fighters, Mike Tyson, who

>> it wasn't just that he was a fighter,

>> he was a fighter, right? Of course, he

had a skill set and he was a

welltrained,

>> but but in the peak of his

>> fights,

I don't care how much somebody else

trained, when he got in the ring to

fight, they weren't better fighters.

They could have been better boxers,

better athletes, better whatever. So, I

think a fight, this is my opinion,

>> uh, it's a instinct. It's a, you know,

like what you you like when Mike bit his

ear.

>> Mhm.

>> Right. Right.

>> That's a fight. That's that has nothing

to do with

>> with boxing.

>> I think that was frustration, you know,

unfortunately,

>> you know. That was a Vander was beating

him up.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't think he liked it.

>> Evander was beating him up.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh professionally,

>> skillfully in boxing,

>> but then Mike went to fighting.

>> Yeah.

>> And fighting like in like an MMA, you

can't bite in MMA. You can't bite in no

sport, right?

>> Yeah. No.

>> Uh, you ain't supposed to hit the nuts,

>> right? You ain't supposed to

>> I know. Which is crazy cuz in a fight.

>> The nuts are one of the best spots to

hit.

>> Exactly. [laughter] In the eyes. You

ain't supposed to poke the eyes. My

friend Eddie had a an idea for a comedy

sketch called Ultimate Sack Fighting

where it's just dudes are just just the

nuts are the only target. [laughter]

>> Yeah. It's amazing how vulnerable we

really are. Our balls just sitting on

the outside like that.

>> Yeah. fights you poke in the eye. I

mean, you poke in the eye in an MMA

fight, the referee stops at time and you

get a point deducted, but it's a very

good technique in an actual fight.

>> Yeah. Well, that's that's so that's what

I meant by saying like so you could

train and train and train, but when you

are when it's life against life, a life

of death, it's a whole another chamber

of uh of fighting for survival. You know

what I There's some horrible videos of

no rules fights where they have these no

rules fights in Russia and a bunch of

other places, but they do them outside

in a field and these guys fight and this

wrestler gets this guy down and he just

shoves his thumbs and his eyeballs and

he gets on top of him and he just grabs

his face and shoves and the guy's just

screaming. He's trying to move his head

away and he he taps his blood all over

his eyeballs.

>> Party over.

>> Party's over. [laughter] Yeah. You

realize like how devastating that is?

like the pain and the the just the and

you know what's so crazy the person who

did it like the maybe the guy who got

the chance to do it. It's not easy and

tell me if you agree with this you could

disagree but it's not easy to do that

either. No,

>> I don't mean not easy that you can't do

it. It's not easy for your spirit to do

it.

>> Right.

>> You see what I mean?

>> It's evil.

>> Yeah. So, so that's so that's a whole

another chamber. It's like yo will you

do it? Will you blind a man?

>> Yeah. Will you do it? Right. And it's

like maybe you won't. And but if he will

and you won't,

>> right?

>> Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

>> That's that's the that's what I that's

what my Seafood says that about he

because he doesn't train nobody how to

fight. He said I can't teach nobody how

to fight.

>> You know what I mean? I could teach you

how to build your body, how to build

your chi, how to build some strength,

but a fight, bro.

It's different. It's no rules. It's it's

life and death. It's like and and and

your will, going back to the will, what

we talked about, your willpower uh has

better be strong to survive. I love what

Bruce Lee said, uh he practiced the art

of not fighting. You know what I mean?

So, and I told that to my son. I was

like, "Yo, bro, listen. If you could

run, bro, run."

>> Yeah. [laughter]

>> You know what I mean? Be up out of there

and [ __ ] chase you. You know,

you got to you got to go to you got to

think on something. But if you could

just yo, that's right now. Oh, yo. Yo,

you want to fight? Oh yo, you know what,

Joe? I'll see you later, bro. [laughter]

>> You know what I mean?

>> I know there's too many people that get

into fights for no reason and you wind

up changing the rest of your life. You

got a scar that's going to be with you

forever or you accidentally kill

somebody.

>> It's stupid. It's a stupid thing to do.

And there's so many men that feel like

they just have to prove themselves,

which is what a gym is for. Go to the

gym. Go to the gym. Work out with

>> Exactly.

>> with other fighters. Train. Get beat up.

Realize where you're at. get a a

realistic sense of your actual ability

and then improve upon them.

>> Yeah.

>> But don't go getting in street fights.

Please, God, don't do it. Don't do it.

>> And uh for me, I put all my aggression

and all my energy into my art. You know,

you think about um some of my early

songs, you know, the [ __ ]

Ruckers, bro. That was that was like I

used to have a I had a um I had like a a

problem of uh I don't know if it was

anger management, maybe. Uh, but I but I

would just like like I don't know like I

needed to hear the sound of breaking

glass. I used to scream like J was like,

"Yo, this dude like cuz I was and I

realized that I had so much uh anger in

me that, you know, I couldn't really get

it out. I was kind of hulkish in a way

like like B Bruce Banner or some [ __ ]

[laughter] right? Uh but then through

music it started to come out and it

started to come out and by the time I

got to um

um Wu Tank Forever a lot of my anger

was in the song if you want beef then

bring the rockers and like all that

stage and all that energy. So, it really

helped me. And then I realized going

bringing up today to my to my new film,

I'm watching it and I'm just like, okay,

once again, I took all the anger and I

put it into the art. You know what I

mean?

>> There's actually a character in the in

the film uh name, his name is Unique.

>> Did uh did you catch that when you saw

the piece? Unique is the is the name of

Oh, Dirty Bastard. His original name was

Asan Unique.

>> Ah.

>> And so that was my way of uh of giving

homage to him by naming the the lead

character of my new film Unique.

>> And and and and he and it says in the

film he says uh you got a problem with

anger anger management. [laughter]

>> Right. He says he says, "Yeah, I'm

working on that." And um and what I what

I love about uh the art of it is that

the problem that he had with anger

management was his reaction. Like a lot

of us, we just react too much. We react

before we think,

>> right? Um cuz they say a man could think

seven times before he reacts. That's how

fast your mind can move. But we go on

that first impulse. But this this

character, he keeps uh he holds the

anger until one morning he's uh he's

he's at a veteran home, right? And he's

sitting there and he's having breakfast

and he has this can,

>> right? You seen this thing, right?

>> And he's like he [snorts] digs the spoon

in there and it's like [ __ ] there's

nothing in it. Like it's it's not even

it's like one spoon of chocolate in it.

And he gets what? Angry. And he bangs

it. Boom. Who the [ __ ] left one spoon of

chocolate in the can? But then it took a

old man that was settled

to tell him

one spoon of chocolate,

>> change a whole glass of milk.

>> Change the whole glass of milk.

[laughter] And then you notice that

character from that then he calmed down.

He started reading to the kids.

And that was kind of me taking some of

my personality, some of you, some of

Dirty's personality, some of

personalities that I see in my community

and putting it into this character this

say like, "Yo, sometime, yo, calm down.

Listen to the wisdom of your elders,

right? Have you ever have you ever um in

your life I'm going ask you have you

ever like come across some old person

whether it's a homeless guy your uncle

somebody that you kind of didn't

look up to in no way just kind of they

was but then they say something to you

that's profound and changed your life.

Oh man I try to find an example. I mean,

I've I've definitely getting gotten a

lot of advice from old-timers, but

definitely people especially people that

have done a lot of things, you know,

people that have accomplished things and

made mistakes and recovered from their

mistakes,

>> right?

>> Yeah. I mean, I asked because I was uh

maybe 11 and it was a uh like a dope

fiend that was dating my aunt and he was

at the table and [ __ ] and he was like

nodding but he was just he was kind of

in his in the chamber, bro. You know,

you know kids be looking at looking at

this guy and [ __ ] and he said something

about like, you know, I don't care, man.

You got to get knowledge, man. You got

to get knowledge, man. And the gods is

right, man. You got to get knowledge.

>> I started reading it since that day,

bro.

>> Really?

>> Seriously?

>> The dope fiend.

>> Yeah.

>> Inspired you to read.

>> Yeah. He said cuz he said you got to get

What happened was he had knowledge of

self, I guess, back before the drugs hit

him

>> and now he's like there and he was like

he was just said you got to get

knowledge. The gods are right. The gods

are right. And and so what was he on?

What what was the drug of choice? He was

on [ __ ] He shot that [ __ ] up.

>> Heroin.

>> Yeah, he was on heroin.

>> That's the old days back when they shoot

it. Now everybody's on pills,

>> right?

>> Yeah.

>> I never I never I don't know about that.

>> I don't know about it either, but I mean

I don't know about it personally, but

that's it's essentially what oxycodone

is.

>> All those pain pills that you see all

these people dying of,

>> right? Opioids.

>> Yeah, opioids. Yeah. The number one

problem. I mean, I think the the deaths

in America, it's it's upwards of 70,000

a year. I know. It's crazy.

>> That's crazy. But

>> yeah,

>> just from the just from overdosing on

pills.

>> Yeah. And most of it happened because of

the Sackler family.

>> The what?

>> The Sackler family. This one family that

convinced people that taking these

incredibly potent opioids. Did you ever

see see that Netflix um docu series

Painkiller?

>> I didn't see that one.

>> It's really good. It's all about the

Sackler family. It's uh Peter Berg made

it. Um, same guy who made, you know,

Peter Peter, he's great. Lone survivor

and made bunch of excellent movies. He's

great. Uh, he made this uh documentary

on documenting how well it's not a

documentary, a docu drama series or

recreation showing how this one family

um they they wanted to figure out a way

where they could sell opioids to

everyone. And the way they did it was

like giving people pain management

tools, giving people medication that you

could be on forever. And they they made

it and they pushed it through these

different doctors and they had all these

hot ladies who were representatives of

the pharmaceutical drug companies that

come to the doctor and they were the the

reps that would come and sell the

things. Yeah. I mean, really. and

[snorts] they were all financially

incentivized to sell it and they tried

to pretend that it wasn't addictive and

they lied about that and they got who

knows how many thousands and thousands

and thousands of people ruin their lives

because of it. And like I said, 70,000

die every year just in America just from

opioids.

>> That's crazy, bro.

>> From overdoses. I mean, and how many

more would there be of that if it wasn't

for Narcan?

>> That's the That's the That's the

counter, right?

>> Yeah. That's the stuff that the EMTs

give you. If they find you overdosing,

they give you Narcan and it it kills it

and brings you back to life. And uh that

one family, you know, no one's gone to

jail. No one's gone to jail. They I

mean, I don't even know how much they've

been fined,

>> but if it wasn't for what they did, and

again, well documented in that Netflix

series, it's it's horrific, man. It's

really it's really terrifying because

it's not just the people that died and

the people that are addicted. all the

family members that were affected by

them, all the children of those people

and what happened with their lives, all

the spouses and the brothers and sisters

of those people and what happened with

their lives.

>> That's crazy. Then when you were saying

that, my my my imagery in my head was

that scene in American Gangster when uh

it was like Thanksgiving

and and they showed uh Frank Lucas at

the table with his whole family. They

had a nice spread of food and then they

the camera went and showed all the

families that was hooked on the blue

magic drug.

>> They had like the lady dying over here,

the kid the kid looking at her mother

dead or

>> so the difference I guess um that's the

image that came in my head when you said

that. But I guess the difference is in

that particular case uh somebody goes to

jail and pays the price for the crime.

But in this particular case, you're

saying that nobody

>> nobody went to jail. They did it legally

somehow or another. They pimped it out

and then sold it to everybody legally.

>> I mean, it's it's it's sick.

>> They're the biggest drug dealers that

have ever existed. [ __ ] all these street

drug dealers. I mean, these guys killed

70,000 people a year for who knows how

many years. And it was probably more

than that

>> before they figured out Narcan. And and

part of it is also because people get

addicted to it and then they get stuff

from the cartel that has fentinel in it

and that's why they're dying. But

there's a bunch of people that just died

from straight up overdose of opioids,

too. It's terrifying. And

>> and it's over the counter.

>> Yeah. And Yeah. No, it's not over the

counter. You have to get prescribed, but

doctors are happy to prescribe it for

you. I got my nose fixed. I had a

deviated septum and they cleaned it out.

and the I I was leaving the doctor's

office and he gave me two prescriptions

for opioids and I said, "Uh, but I don't

I'm not in pain." He goes, "But you you

probably will be." And I go, "But is it

going to be worse than this right now?

Like, we're just out of the operation."

And my nose was I have like this these

things stuffed up your nose to keep your

nostrils open. And

>> and I was like, "Are you sure it's going

to be worse than this?" And he gave me

two prescriptions. And I I went home and

I was like, "I don't need these." It's

like I didn't film him, but I'm like

this is not But this guy was giving me

two different opioids to take.

>> You would have been He would have had

You would have went back.

>> I probably would have been hooked.

>> Yeah, you would have went back.

>> I know a lot of people that got hooked,

man. I'm not I'm I'm under no illusion

that I'm stronger than those people that

I would have figured out a way to not

get hooked.

>> Right.

>> So many people that I know got hooked.

>> So, you're saying like, let me [snorts]

just go back on this because I actually

don't take nothing, bro. Like I drink

tea or

>> you know I'm very um I mean I do pump a

asthma inhaler. [laughter]

>> Yeah. When I get when I get it cuz I had

asthma. Yeah. Had asthma my whole life.

>> Other than that I don't really take no

Tylenol. Nothing bro.

>> Yeah. [ __ ] all that stuff.

>> But you're saying though at the end of

the day just taking throwing this back

at you. The doctor basically

sling gave you some free [ __ ]

>> Yeah. to kind of have you as a customer

because when crack came out I remember

>> I think he's financially incentivized. I

think they're financially incentivized

to prescribe you this medic because he

didn't say if you're in pain contact me

and I'll fill you a prescription cuz

it's just my nose. It's just the nose.

It's not that big a deal.

>> Like I slept fine. I It was nothing.

>> That's crazy.

>> And I tried to tell him I'm like I don't

understand why you're giving me like we

had a conversation. I go is it going to

be worse than it is right now? Like

right now I'm not in any pain. And he

goes, "It could probably get worse." I'm

like, "How much worse?" Cuz right now I

don't feel anything. It's like nothing.

It's like mildly uncomfortable because I

have these tubes stuffed up my nose,

>> right?

>> But this is not This doesn't require

heroin. This [laughter] is crazy.

>> I'm not laughing at you. I'm not

laughing. I'm just

>> But it is kind of nuts. It's kind of

financially incentivized.

>> Let Let me go back to the film.

[laughter]

No, because in the film there's a uh

there's a um article that uh our hero

opens up in the in the paper. It's not

the same subject, but it's a medical

thing. And it's just like this this

particular county is leading right

>> is leading in in this particular process

uh because there's money in it.

>> If it's money sadly

>> Yeah. you know, I mean, and that's it's

a movie, but

>> sadly, if there's money involved,

>> uh, people can become insidious, right?

Yeah.

>> People can become like, uh,

>> yeah, you you you could get strung out.

You could get strung out. I done sold,

you know, I got I wrote 20 prescriptions

this week and they're not cheap, right?

How much is the prescription when they

when you fill it? Is that like 40 bucks,

100 bucks?

>> I don't know. It's not cheap. But more

importantly, the doctor gets

incentivized

>> when some dark [ __ ] I was reading about

this doctor that was an oncologist. So,

he's dealing with cancer patients and he

was giving chemotherapy to people that

didn't have cancer

>> because it would get him more money.

>> You kind of [ __ ] me up with that.

>> Yeah. Then you kind of hit my emotion

cuz I just lost my brother to cancer. My

brother power.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm sorry to hear that.

>> Take a moment.

>> I'm sorry to hear that.

Yeah, it's one of the most profitable um

medications unfortunately for

physicians. Well, not unfortunate. Look,

if it saves your life, that's wonderful.

But the reality is this one doctor that

I'm discussing, this one doctor decided

that he was going to get paid more by

just giving chemotherapy to people that

didn't have cancer. So, he diagnosed a

bunch of people with cancer. They didn't

have it. Said, "Oh, unfortunately, you

have cancer. The good news is we get you

on chemotherapy right away. we think we

can kick it. And they were regular

people with nothing wrong with them. And

these this [ __ ] guy gave them poison.

>> You know how much the chemo costs?

>> It's very expensive.

>> Yeah. You're talking about 30 to 60

grand a uh uh a hit.

>> Yeah. I'm not I'm not surprised. And the

doctors uh profit off of that. It's one

of the most profitable medications that

doctors prescribe, unfortunately.

>> And look, most doctors would never

[ __ ] imagine doing that in a million

years. But this one doctor like his his

thought process was, "Hey, this is how I

get paid."

>> You know, I'm dealing with all this

overhead. I'm dealing with all this

liability insurance. I'm dealing with

medical school bills. I'm dealing with

all this. [ __ ] this. I'm just going to

start prescribing a little bit of

chemotherapy here and there to people

that don't actually have cancer. And I

don't know how he got caught. I don't

know what happened, but I think it was

just

>> they got him though.

>> There was some red flag. Yeah, they got

him. He's in jail. there was some red

flag where they noticed like why are so

many people getting cancer with this one

doctor like why is his number so high it

doesn't it's not representative of the

norm

>> that's crazy bro

>> but that's what that's what's hard to

imagine is that money would incentivize

someone to tell a person like how many

people just commit suicide because they

think they're dying of cancer and they

they go [ __ ] I'm not on I don't want to

do this I don't want to suffer I'm just

going to [ __ ] go out on my own terms

terms, you know.

>> Yeah. Well, how many people how many

people's lives did that ruin?

>> Well, I don't Well, that's forunately

that was trouble. I had I had to kind of

emotionally rebound from that because

it's just you kind of made me think like

I don't know like like you know, we

don't have the answer to [ __ ] you know

what I mean? And things happen in life

and sometimes you just like, you know,

but I I do have instinct and I always I

you know, I just felt that something

wasn't uh I don't know. I won't even go

there. But you said that money, why

would the why would he do it for the

money? It's like, yo, everything is for

the money, bro. [ __ ] is doing,

you know, cash rules everything around

me, bro. You know what I mean?

>> The money, dollar, dollar bill.

>> And people were stuck on that. You know

what I mean?

>> The the goal hopefully cuz we live in a

capitalist society.

>> Well,

>> but the goal should be that cash doesn't

rule you. Money shouldn't rule you.

>> We need it. You know what I mean? you

know, food, clothing, and shelter.

>> You you're going to need that. Ain't

nothing given here. But

>> but it doesn't surprise me,

you know, that that's the motivation for

insidious behavior. You know, I was um

I'm going to go back a little history

here. Um it's I'm we're working on

another project where we tap into uh

it's kind of fantasy. I I just write off

my imagination but but I I had the the

this family

uh they are they are anc their ancestors

are from Congo and in the Congo they

trace their ancestry back to the Leopole

days. And you think about the Leopole

days, millions of Africans were mined,

chopped off their arms and [ __ ]

All because the gag was they wanted them

to work and to get the rubber from the

rubber tree. So the rubber at one point

became the main gold of the world,

right? And and King Leopold went over to

Congo. You get Tarzan out of this [ __ ]

All right, that's the that's the the

fictional story. But he goes over and I

think they said

at minimum 2 million people, but I think

it's 5 million that were just mined or

killed just for the economic profit of

what those rubber trees was offering to

uh western

>> that's happening right now with cobalt.

I had this guy said Darth Car on the

podcast. Uh he wrote a book. Jamie, do

you remember what the name of that book

was?

His uh book on cobalt mining in the

Congo. So cobalt is a critical mineral

that's used in cell phone batteries.

>> Yeah.

>> And many electronics. And uh that is

cobalt red. The blood of the Congo

powers our lives. It's a very disturbing

conversation. and he had he snuck in uh

cameras and got some footage of these

people doing what you know, you think

that this stuff is mined in some sort of

industrial process. Look at this. This

is how these people are mining. And

you've got women who are uh have babies

on their backs and all this cobalt that

they're knocking out of the ground is

completely toxic.

>> Some of them just have like a bandana

over their mouth that they're using to

protect themselves from it. But look how

deep that is with human beings that are

just pulling cobalt. They live on dirt

floors. They they live at the lowest

level of poverty imaginable. They don't

have clean water. They don't have good

food. And they are pulling out a mineral

that's essential to the most

technologically sophisticated aspect of

our society, which is our connectivity

through the internet, through cell

phones. And this is at the which is kind

of crazy if you think of like the most

technologically sophisticated aspect of

our society. If you follow it all the

way down to the very bottom of the food

chain, you've got slave labor. And

that's a giant percentage of the cobalt

that's in our cell phones and our

electronics is coming out of this place.

>> You know what's so I never seen that

before, bro.

>> A lot of them are run by China. Yeah.

And it's it's very scary, man.

>> I never seen it. But but I wrote a lyric

that touches upon it. I didn't I never

seen those images before.

>> He's got video. See if you can find the

video. The video's dark.

>> I think my lyrics said uh let's see if I

can remember my lyric. It was a song I

wrote called The Fate of the World is in

Your Hand was me and DJ Scratch. And uh

what I I knew that I knew that Cobalt or

I knew that they was getting the mineral

from Congo. Um, but I didn't know it

like that. It was something like, you

know, as an artist, your [ __ ]

antenna, right? You get [ __ ]

>> But I said something. Uh,

>> I said, I'm trying to remember the

lyric. I said it was like, uh,

um,

hey, could you pull up the lyrics to to

the world as well after you do this?

>> Yeah. Play that video real quick,

please. Look at this. How crazy is this?

By the way, all this

seeing almost biblical toil deprises

cobalt. And here's the thing, all this

[ __ ] is super toxic. So all these people

are breathing in this insanely toxic

dust and they're knocking it out of the

ground with hammers and carrying it off

in bags.

>> Look at this [ __ ] yo.

>> Yeah.

>> This is This is This looks biblical,

bro.

>> Right. And imagine how [ __ ] heavy

these bags are. And they're doing this

all day long. Look at these guys

struggling to pick those bags up.

And they're carrying this [ __ ] all day

long and they're just knocking into the

ground trying to pull out this cobalt.

And the thing is like this is what we

need to power our phones, which is so

crazy. If you think about all these

people that are virtue signaling about

how wonderful and ethical and moral they

are, they're doing it on a phone that is

literally powered by slave labor.

>> That's crazy.

>> It's crazy. And it's crazy that this is

going on in 2026 and most people aren't

even aware of it. Well, this is Well,

you're back. Like I just said, um the my

the project I'm working on now, we just

talk about it. We we take we're tracing

it back to the rubber tree, but

>> yeah,

>> it's still going on.

>> Still going on. Still going on. And

that's just cobalt. There's other stuff

that they're mining there, too. That's

it's very similar.

>> There's other other what they call

conflict minerals.

>> Pull up pull up my lyric for uh the fate

of the world. Just want to just point

out what I what I said there if if you

got that on Genius or something. Here

it is.

>> Yeah. It says, uh, "A thousand years of

darkness, the world got struck with

sorrow. Hallowed be thy name. We need a

better tomorrow." Go to the second, uh,

the second verse. Let me see. Uh,

uh, MC, wait. Oh, no. Wrong song. That's

what it rhymes.

[laughter] Uh, it's called uh, [snorts]

>> You forgot the name of your own song.

That's hilarious. You got too many

songs.

>> What's the other one on that one? Uh

>> um go open that. No, not that one. Go to

the other uh the other uh what do you

call it? The other uh go to the album

title. Yeah. Hit the the Saturday

afternoon. You going to edit some of

this, right?

>> No,

>> you going to edit. Okay. Well, we going

y'all going y'all going to bear with us.

[laughter]

>> Saturday afternoon.

>> Like go to the uh

>> Oh, it's called the uh Wait, the great

fisherman, right? Let me see the titles

of the songs.

>> Uh, Fisherman.

>> Fisherman.

>> Fisherman.

>> Yeah, pull that one up [laughter]

for those lyrics.

>> So, what is Genius? Genius is it shows

all the lyrics. Yeah,

>> that's what it is. And then it actually

has a song underneath it. Oh, that's

cool. I didn't even know that existed.

>> People can annotate and tell you what

people meant by what they said.

>> Oh, really? Yeah.

>> On genius.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, cool.

>> Okay. Right there. There you go. Look.

The great fisherman, a fisher of men are

trying to make a remedy for the elixir

of sin. A premonition. We need divine

intervention. This whole world is a The

whole world is a stage. So, it's time

for intermission. In the middle of the

Congo jungle, there's a combo of

concentrated elements that make the

world's phones glow.

>> Wow.

>> But they got a small zone for their

phones though cuz they don't even got

reception out there. But we used to

communicate just banging on the bongo.

That's when the village was more

motherly and more brotherly. But then

the dust came through and killed them

off of the rubber tree. King Leo city

was built from a sea of gold and the

resurrector still trading on a silky

road.

>> Yeah,

>> those are some bars.

>> Respect. But point but not not doing

that to show off or nothing. But

>> that's real. Yeah.

>> Yeah. But you just gave me but you gave

me like the full

>> you gave me the connotation and the

annotation of the lyric by by cuz I

didn't even see none. I never seen that

before. Oh, that's crazy. I just I just

heard that they got to get it from

there. And I knew the history of King

Leopold, but I did not know that. This

is still still

>> this is crazy, but

>> yeah, it's still going on and it'll

continue going on as long as no light is

shown on it. And this is what Sedarth

car was trying to do with his book and

you know the the tour that he was doing

and doing podcasts and trying to let and

I mean he risked his life man. I mean

they questioned him and he got very

lucky that he got out of there with that

footage,

>> right? because they want to make sure

that nobody knows about this [ __ ]

>> They don't want any outrage. They want

the mining to keep going as planned.

>> I mean, it's it's

>> it's dark.

>> It's dark. Yeah.

>> Because it's a multi multibillion dollar

industry that's powered by abject

poverty. Trillion.

>> Probably trillion.

>> Yeah. Cuz like it's like you're just

saying like if it's in all our phones,

that means

>> not just our phones, but I think it's in

a lot of electronics. I I think it's it

might be. Is cobalt in electric cars?

I think they're they're trying to make

new formulations of batteries without

cobalt.

So there's uh Jamie, what is that? I

know a lot of the Chinese cell phones

are using a different battery

technology. Instead of lithium ion, they

have something else that's more dense.

>> Well, that's Yeah, cobalt's a critical

component in lithium batteries to this.

>> That's crazy. Yeah, lithium ion

batteries. What are the What is uh like

OPPO? There's a bunch of these new

Chinese companies that have cell phones

that have much more battery. Like

instead of like like a Samsung Galaxy

S26 Ultra has a 5,000 milliamp

uh battery in it, I think these OPPO

phones have 7,000 plus, but it's I think

it's carbon siliconbased

>> batteries. I wonder if they have cobalt

in them. They've, you know, as

technology for batteries changes and

advances, they need different kinds of

components in them. But I mean, then you

got to find out where are they getting

that [ __ ] from? Is that another like

conflict mineral that they have people

digging out of the ground with sticks?

>> Well, the other thing to think about,

you know, just Okay, let's say it is

worth trillions of dollars.

like when do um the people who you know

like if that's on my property bro you

know what I'm saying it's my you come to

my crib for it I should get be get paid

off of that right

>> I should be

>> I [snorts] mean well you know how it

works China comes in it's a lot of these

are Chinese run China comes in they pay

off the people that are in power in

these areas and those people will get

wealthy and then all the people that are

the workers they all get like

>> pennies

as small a wage as you could possibly

pay them to keep them alive.

>> These people live on dirt floors.

>> It's crazy.

>> No food. It's horrible.

>> It's It's really dark, man, because it's

what powers electronics, which is nuts

because that's the most sophisticated

aspect of our society in terms of

technology. Well, the government of

those places and not to get here like

I'm a like you know I'm a artist and I'm

a spiritual man.

>> But they should be like, "Yo, hold on,

bro."

>> Yeah.

>> Like like in Alaska, right?

There's a pipeline that goes through

Alaska. You know about this pipeline,

right?

>> Sure.

>> But the citizens of Alaska gets a they

get a royalty for that.

>> Yes.

>> Okay. like the the like if I'm in Congo

and I got this cobalt that's worth

trillions and I got all all these people

give them give them more royalty

>> 100%. If that was America that would

probably the only way to do it but

obviously you couldn't pay people the

way you pay people in the Congo in

America anyway. We have laws but this is

also why they want illegal immigration.

That's part of the reason why they like

illegal immigration is because you don't

have paperwork. You don't have to pay

people what they're supposed to get

paid. Could you pull that back up again,

Jamie, please? about the silicon carbide

batteries. So, it seems like one of the

reasons uh for utilizing this new

technology is because it's not using as

much cobalt.

So, uh advanced lithium ion technology

using silicon to replace traditional

graphite anodes offering roughly 20 to

40% higher energy density and faster

charging especially in smartphones.

Does it say anything? I thought the

>> It did because I had cobalt added on to

it.

>> Yeah.

So it has cobalt in it as well,

>> but less

>> enables more sustainable cobalt reduced

designs.

>> So you have less cobalt, right?

>> And it's more energy density.

>> So these Chinese phones are Yeah, here

it is. Honor Magic 5 Pro. A lot of these

uh OnePlus 13, a lot of these um

Chinese-made Android phones are using um

much more advanced battery technology.

They trying to ease up on it a little

bit basically.

>> I mean, I don't know. The hard the

question is like, well, where are you

getting everything else? Where's all

that [laughter] other [ __ ] that's in

your phone? And how are you mining that?

If you're hiding how you mine cobalt,

how are you mining all the other stuff?

Cuz they're all conflict minerals. And a

lot of these minerals, unfortunately,

are mined out of the third world. They

find them in these places where people

are really poor and and the people that

live there, they don't benefit from it.

Their lives don't get any better. In

fact, they get worse because they get

poisoned. Well, the thing the thing that

but but here go let me add some wisdom

to that. The people got to realize that

they are not poor, right? Because if

that is valuable and you're standing on

it, then you're standing on value, you

know,

>> and that's why they keep them poor

because they can't or

>> but think about the Holy Quran for a

moment, right? Let me let me go here for

a little spiritual here, right? So in

the holy Quran it mentions that uh you

know if the Muslims were to do what they

was going to do that they would have

many wells

right because you know they living in

the desert basically right and it says

they're going to have abundant of wells.

It's not an abundant of water wells in

the Middle East,

right? And these are people that are

living nomadic, economically, not really

at the level of the rest of the world,

but it's a prophecy telling them that

they're going to have wells. But what

kind of wells they end up having?

>> Oil.

>> Oil wells.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. And so now all of a sudden they

become the most

>> richest small region in the world.

Right?

>> So the promise is fulfilled, right? But

the gag is that the people got to

realize sometime where you stand where

you stand on your land. You know what I

mean? The value of it as the Bible would

say, yo,

work to the sweat of your brow to dig

and plow and make your land valuable.

But now if you if so if if I'm just

saying that the people where they're

going to get whatever they gonna get,

bro. Okay? They don't care if you're

going to get some berries in the Amazon.

If the berries is worth money, then the

dude who got all the berries got to

realize that, yo, bro,

>> right,

>> let's make a deal.

>> But you But it seemed like that ain't

happening.

>> No. No, it's not happening. And the

reason why it's not happening is because

you have enormous corporations that come

in from other countries. They get

contracts and they pay off the people

that are the leaders of these countries

or the people that are the leaders of

the military. And then those people keep

these people oppressed, right? And

that's what I mean it's it's the people

that are running these countries that

are making sure that these people don't

get paid what they deserve so that they

can keep them working there for slave

wages so they keep their profits as high

as possible. They also keep the options

as low as possible. These people don't

have any options. Right?

>> If you're living in the Congo and you're

you're near where these cobalt mines

are, what are your other options?

>> Right?

>> You know,

>> I remember um I want to shout out

Burnham Boy. Uh Burnham Boy is a good

dude. He um he had told me some gave me

some insight about uh

Nigeria and and and and like he was

saying to me like how Wuang when we was

young, you know, we had to sling street

pharmaceuticals, right? But out there

oil is like a street pharmaceutical like

dudes was was slinging uh petrol and

slinging oil and [ __ ] I was like

>> in Nigeria.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> And like that's crazy, right? It's

crazy.

>> But the gag I'm saying is that still,

you know, of course the government

controls all that, but but sometime that

people got to just uh snap, you know,

just yo, I don't know. Stand on your

land, yo. And and and and and realize

the value of where you stand. You know,

every man um

has a value. Um right. We we all walk

with a living value. Every life is

precious. Every life that's born changes

the world. Soon as somebody is born

today,

>> yeah,

>> this ain't the same world it was

yesterday,

>> right?

>> Soon as somebody return to the essence,

this ain't the same world. But so we got

to kind of But the people,

>> I'm going back to the people, not to the

military or to the government, the

people got to realize that, yo, hold on,

bro. It's you. You're the value because

without them, right, until they do get

uh 10 million robots to do that [ __ ]

which I don't I'm not opposed to that,

>> right?

>> Send 10 million robots to dig it up,

bro. And and and and still though, if

it's on my land,

break me off. You know what I mean? But

people got to snap into that.

>> Well, these these places are all guarded

by the military. So, it's all people

with guns. You can't leave. You're doing

their bidding. You'll get shot. They

kill people. They bury you. No one

notices. No one cares.

>> The value of human life is extremely

low.

>> Yeah. It's it's it's satanic. It's dark.

Well, let's jump back on my film because

in my film, the value of life

>> Yeah.

>> Uh is once again um we're talking about

the world, but yet I got to relate it

back because in our film, the value of

life seems low as well. Yeah.

>> Right. Low for the person living

uh more for the valuable for the person

that kills them.

>> Right.

>> You know, without giving too much of the

film away, um what happens in the film

actually happens in real life. I mean

that that is it's based I mean you say

it's based on real life but it

>> there's been real life cases where

people they've harvested people's organs

for profit.

>> Yeah.

>> And that's a thing. I mean that's a big

problem with people in China. You know

people go to China for for organs. Like

there's a tourism to get organs

replaced. Like say if you need a new

kidney or you need a new liver,

whatever.

>> We got it.

>> Yeah. They have it. And what they'll do

is they'll take their [ __ ] prisoners

and they oh look a AB blood type.

Perfect.

>> Whack. And then now you got some dude's

heart

>> business.

>> Yeah,

>> there's crazy.

>> There's another element that um

>> um

this is the Rizzle right here. I'm live

on Joe Rogan podcast. [laughter] I got a

new film coming out May 1st. It's called

One Spoon of Chocolate. Uh written and

directed by the Rizzer, starring Shami

Moore, Paris Jackson, Blair Underwood,

Rockman Dumbar to name a few. Is

produced by Quinton Tarantino and my

wife Tani Diggs. Hey baby.

did uh an official radio drive cuz

>> that sounded like we're on the radio.

>> Yeah, I think that's [laughter] ladies

and gentlemen, um this is the RZA

>> coming in at five after the hour.

[laughter]

>> And um but I love how art can touch upon

uh things even if it's uh unintentional,

right? Um what I mean by unintentional

is that, you know, as an artist, I just

let the [ __ ] flow. Like I didn't like

when you showed all that uh Congo Cobalt

M I never seen it.

>> But yet it's in your lyrics.

>> Yeah, but it's in my lyrics. And even

you telling me this China stuff here, I

don't know about that. I I do know some

things that happened for some articles,

but I wasn't I'm not uh in debt in depth

what N P.

>> Yeah. I don't have indepth knowledge of

it,

>> but I but I strive as an artist, Joe, is

to

>> actually to at least show the surface.

>> So that you know, I don't know how deep

the pool is, but I will show show the

surface through my art. Um, and I think

in this film, which is a it's a action

film though, right? So Joe only seen the

first half of it, so he doesn't know

about the revengeomatic ass kicking and

I'm not going to spoil it for

>> I believe it. There's already plenty of

ass kicking already.

>> Right. Exactly. Seen some. Okay. But it

gets [ __ ] uh you going to have a good

time. You want to have a good time. But

still, once again, the art of it, um, it

has a I'm realizing as I'm watching with

different audiences, like when I watched

it in, uh, New York, I had [ __ ]

yelling at the screen, "Fuck that."

[laughter]

They was on some [ __ ] When I watched it

in LA, the audience was like it was a

like a sense of nervousness. It was in

the room.

>> When I watched it in Chicago, it was

standing ovation. You know what I mean?

I watched it in San Francisco and the

Q&A was very intellectual. So, I'm

realizing that, okay, this is touching.

Then when I watched it this other place,

the girl uh with Dave, actually, I

watched it with Dave Chappelle. He said

that uh you got bars in this

[ __ ] I said I said, "What do

you mean by bars?" He said, "Well, the

guy says, uh, the girl says, um, first

the girl, this this come, you haven't

seen the scene yet, but Paris Jackson is

telling him that everybody in this town

goes to church on Sunday, except for

Jimmy and his gang of degenerates. They

party all night Saturday and they sleep

all day Sunday," she said. And I guess

they're not afraid to go to hell. And

then the hero says, "But where I come

from, they say heaven is what you make

it and hell is what you got to go

through to get it." And she was like,

"That sounds like" And Dave was like,

"That's a [ __ ] bar." [laughter]

And yo, hold on. So last time I was

here, it was Darnell Rollins was here,

right? [laughter] So check it out, bro.

I'm showing the film to Dave, right? And

we going to do a Q&A. I'm in I went to

Yellow Spring, Ohio, bro. Was Donald

there,

>> bro? [laughter]

He was there, yo.

And then he got up and he asked the

question

>> and he started uh he he he interrupted.

He talked about the day we was here and

he and you inspired him to do a podcast.

I remember you said, "Yo, start a

podcast, boy. You might even help them,

right?" And then he said, "Uh," then I

said, "Yo, yeah, if you [clears throat]

need something, hit me." So, he hit me

up, said, "Yo, let me get a a opening

theme track." And so I got like a a

bunch of beats that's on my little thumb

drive. I sent him like five of them,

right? And he chose one.

>> Yeah. He told me about this.

>> Yeah. So now he chose one and that

becomes his theme and it's it was a nice

[ __ ] But that same five tracks, uh,

my manager is sending it to other people

too and [ __ ] So I did give it to D. I

gave it to him, Gratus. But he comes up

in the middle of my Q&A with Dave about

my film and he starts talking about the

beat and he says Rizza is an Indian

giver. [laughter]

He said, he said, "I was," he said, "I

was playing." He said, "I had it on my

podcast for almost two years." And then

one day it said flag, license, uh,

whatever they do and [ __ ] uh, when you

can't do the [ __ ] [ __ ] And I

was like, um,

>> I said, "Oh, yeah, bro." Yeah. The the

the people from the Minions,

>> they had got, um, those five tracks as

well. And and and they chose it and they

put it and they put it

>> and they paid us a lot of money. And not

not going back to the money of it all,

but [laughter]

so I told I said, "Yo, they chose

another beat." He said, "Nah, son. That

was the one."

>> Oh, no.

>> That was the one. I said, "Bro, they

chose it. My manager made the deal."

>> Oh, no.

>> It's off the table now.

>> Oh, no. So, you had to change his

opening.