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The number one health and wellness

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Everyone, welcome back to On Purpose,

the place you come to to become happier,

healthier, and more healed. I appreciate

your ears. I appreciate your eyes. I'm

so grateful that you're here right now,

and I thank you for investing in

yourself. You know that this platform is

all about allowing the humans to be

human, to give them a space to share

their heart, share their mind, and share

what's really happening behind the

scenes. I think it's so easy in the

climate we live in to get lost in

clickbait and articles and views, and

often that stops us from actually

getting to understand someone and see

someone for who they are. And today's

guest is someone that I've been wanting

on the show for years. So, I'm extremely

happy and extremely present even more

than ever because this has been an

opportunity I've been looking forward

to. Today, I'm talking to the one and

only Michael B. Jordan, a director,

actor, producer, who's recognized as an

industry leader invested in bringing

social change to Hollywood through his

art and philanthropy. Making his feature

film directorial debut, Michael B.

Jordan recently reprised the role of

Adonis Creed in Creed III. I'm a big

Rocky fan, so when Creed dropped, you

knew I had to see it. Uh which had the

biggest opening weekend for a Creed film

and biggest domestic opening for a

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Michael B. Jordan is set to star in Ryan

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Welcome to the show, Michael B. Jordan.

Mike, it's great to have you here. Well,

man. Jay, I appreciate it. That

introduction is great. I just need to

carry you around with me everywhere I go

and just introduce me places.

Uh but no, I appreciate it. Thanks for

having me, man.

Well, what I wanted to add also, like in

the few moments we've spent together,

even just walking in,

you know, if I can add to that intro,

you know, extremely humble, gracious,

kind, like thoughtful, like it's it's

also nice meeting that. And I And I love

that this platform is a space that can

come out. And we were just talking about

that. You were saying that

you know, you you've almost been looking

for a space where you can share that

because you don't do a lot of press. I

don't. I don't. I think I you know, it's

it's seasons for it. You know,

obviously, you know, when you have a

project coming out or something you need

to promote, you know, there's it's a

part of that that news cycle. But for me

personally, I I I try to, you know, kind

of save it to myself a little bit and

and and um very cautious of how how you

want people to get to know you. You

know, when you have opportunities to

speak and and share things about

yourself. Um and not kind of, you know,

be a part of sometimes other people's

agenda, you know? So so that's uh but

but but been a big big fan of yours for

for a long time and the work that you've

done and and and you are currently doing

And um and felt like this was a good

good time that you know to get out and

talk and and

you know share some things about me I

guess you know I've I've a

it's been it's been a journey you know

it's been it's been a journey so

you know this is a nice little check-in

point I think. Yeah, I love that. Well,

I appreciate the trust and I love that

check-in point because it must be

fascinating to look back at something

and then think about where you were in

life what was going on in your mind. So,

I wanted to start with there's this one

thing you said in an interview and we

were talking about this earlier this

idea of written versus being able to

explain

and there was this great point you made

that I think people wouldn't recognize

with the amount of success you've had

the hits you've had you know I think

people want to know about you and learn

about you but you said when you come

from where I come from and everybody

doesn't get those breaks that luck you

start to question why am I successful in

life? Why did I go this way and

everybody went that way? And I just

thought that that was

you know again extremely humble and also

representative of where you grew up how

you came up like which way did everyone

go and where did that luck begin for

you? You know I think coming up in in in

North New Jersey coming up in that

environment and you know having you know

when you're younger you know you're

living life you know you're you're

taking it a day at a time you know

you're going to basketball practice

you're going to school you know you're

going to church you know you're you're

you're for me it was you know taking a

lot of trips to New York City going on

auditions at a really really young age

and just figuring out what what what

that is having having parents pretty

aware you know and and very present in

my life you know growing up

you know that was that was rare amongst

my family amongst my friend group you

know having both parents that was there

and very present and

aware of my environment as well you know

what what you know being told to look

out for these things and

make good choices to be disciplined to

be focused on things you know get your

school work you know all the the you

know, the the positives and and and

growing up in in an environment like

that and you know, hats off to my

parents and to to sacrifice so much to

make sure their kids, you know, were

safe and and grew up in a you know, in a

you know, grew up in that environment

and it easy making ends meet, you know,

grew up very poor but didn't feel like

it, you know what I'm saying? It was

very you know, they they did a good job

at hiding those things, you know, I

think as we get older we look back and

like, oh man, we went through that or or

that's why we slept in the kitchen at

one time with the oven open or or that's

when we stayed at Grandma's house for

like you know, a couple weeks when you

you know, so you you you get that

reflection of of how we kind of grew up

and and I think for me

you know, always having a you know, a

bigger purpose I think or just you know,

just that optimism, you know, that that

I was big dreamer as a kid and and I

think

you know, you start to

and not just the focusing on the just

the work of it all but I since I was

working such a young age, that's the

thing that I can kind of point to of you

know, booking auditions and getting this

job and traveling to this place and

experiencing these things and coming

back home with these experiences and not

having a lot of

people who could relate or could you

know, I could soundboard off of and and

I think in feeling like that you don't

want to alienate those people, you know,

and I think and this is all I guess in

hindsight

you don't share these stories as much,

you know, maybe you should cuz you don't

want somebody to feel like inadequate or

you know, not being able to have that

experience that you might have had and I

think you know, that snowballs as you as

you get older and from stepping stone to

stepping stone as as as I continue to be

successful at a at a at a young age you

start to question why am I being so

successful and the people that look just

like me that are right next to me in

these everyday things

aren't necessarily doing that or not

choosing to you know, just didn't have

those options that were laid out to them

and I and I think it

you start to doubt yourself for whatever

reason or feel guilty for the things

that you may or may not have.

Even though you know, my parents were

people of service, you know, uh

block parties or you know, cooking

church dinners or you know, whenever you

know, my house was the house that

everybody came to at some point whether

we were going to get pizza that night or

dad was going to take everybody camping

or going to these things like it was

that was kind of my house within within

my neighborhood and community and and

so I think for me being a person of

service kind of cuz you know, it's kind

of come from how I was raised and and

and those those are the examples that I

knew growing up. I always felt lucky

too. As you become more successful and

and

you you see less people look like you

that are being successful in this in

this realm and you end up being the one

guy that looks like me that's successful

or the couple guys that or the usual

suspects that you see in the audition

room

or in things of that nature, you know,

you start to sometimes question why why

why you? Now I can

feel as though it it was my it was my

path, you know, it was my purpose and

spirituality and growing up in a in a

household that was very focused on, you

know, you know, church and spiritual and

meditation and and and just being aware

of the world that we live in,

you know, I felt I was destined for for

something not knowing what that was but

just something. Wow, yeah, and I mean

when I'm when I'm hearing that

it sounds like I love what you said. You

were like, you know, they they hid we

were poor and we didn't even see that.

But this idea of like you sound so when

I when I see you talk about your family

and for those of you watching you can

see it on Mike's face but there's so

much joy and there's bliss and there's

like uh

there's like a happiness when you're

looking back on that time. Like I can

see it's a positive experience because

of how you feel you've been loved and

cared for and supported even though the

resources may not have been there or the

access or opportunities. And I And I was

wondering when I was listening to you

like, is there a memory or an experience

from your childhood that you think

defines who you are today? Like, was

there a

a memory or a story that you have in

your mind of an experience you went

through that you think brings out maybe

that service element or brings out that

purposeful element? And I think this

this bliss in this this this

appreciation for how I grew up comes in

hindsight. Mhm. You know, like you know,

the first time you have a moment where

you're like

pick up the phone, you know, one morning

you just call your mom and be like, "Yo,

thank you.

I get it.

I I'm And I'm sorry. I'm sorry for for

being that kid at some point. And I'm so

sorry for not understanding. I totally

get what you guys are going through.

Sheesh. I love you guys." You know, like

you you have those moments when you get

older, you know, that you just can't

really have that perspective when you

when you were a kid. And I think, you

know, I was very mischievous, you know,

as well. And And And I think there were

moments when

my dad disciplined me, you know, for for

for for whatever the

you know, whatever I did at that time.

And then my mom would have a

conversation with me around the why. And

And And then being also forced or pushed

and nudged into a space where

you had to acknowledge your siblings

also, you know, in that situation and

and and the importance of family. Mhm.

And what that means, you know? Uh my

parents have different upbringings, you

know what I'm saying? From you know, uh

and different family structures growing

up. But one thing they've always

provided us with is just a sense of like

family over everything, you know, and

how important that is. And I just kind

of kept the groundedness to me

throughout. So, I think just the

experiences of

of just family. I like your point about

hindsight. I've definitely made that

call to my mom, for sure. Like, yeah,

yeah, I made that call to my mom. We're

on the same age, so for me it's like I

made that call, and I think I made it

probably like 25, 20, 26. Yeah, it was

probably around then when I finally made

that call.

And not that I didn't love my mom before

that. Of course I did, but it was like

that honest understanding of just how

hard it was to do what she did, cuz she

was raising two kids. She was

dropping us to school, picking us up.

She was the breadwinner of the family.

She made us breakfast, lunch, and dinner

fresh every day. Like, and you don't

recognize that as a kid. You don't

realize the sacrifice, the hustle, the

and and always making you feel loved on

top of doing all of that. It's hard

work. You've talked to You said that now

you feel like you've got to a place that

it's your path. Mhm. What was that

switch for you that went from like, I

don't deserve this,

God, like, I feel out of place, I'm

lucky to being like, no, actually now I

see it as this was meant to be my path,

because I think a lot of people

and a lot of our listeners will be

there. Like, a lot of people are like,

they're making moves, and maybe they're

the first person in their family to go

to college, or maybe they're the first

person who started up a business as an

entrepreneur, or maybe one of our

listeners is trying to break

generational trauma, and they're the

first person who spotted it. Yes. And

but then they all live in that space

like, can I do this? Like, am I the one

to do this? And so, what was it that

made that switch from like, I'm not sure

I'm the guy, but oh, it is my path. It's

the sum of all things leading up into

that point. I think

it's all the doubt. It's the imposter

syndrome.

It's the the blessings that you can't

really accept fully.

And you listen to other people speak who

are successful, or you see examples that

you kind of feel connected to. Like,

man, that that kind of feels like me.

Mhm. Or Mhm. what he just said, or what

she just said, I kind of I resonate with

that. You know, I feel like that

sometimes. You know, uh

other people who are looking at you

saying, "No, Mike, this is what you

have. This is what you can be. This is

what you are." Nah, nah, that can't No,

that's that's too good No, that ain't

me, you know?

Uh you

your own presence in a situation where

you have to step back and look at

yourself and be like,

"Am I this guy right now?" Like, "Oh

man, is there room for the people who

showed up

because of something I'm doing and

they're in service or in support of

my idea, my thing, okay?"

That looks and feels like I'm the guy,

okay? You're in I'm in the industry

where, you know, you're the success of

your work and your art

has been,

you know, dictated and validated by

other people's opinions.

And whether those opinions

are factual or projected on you

uh from their own

uh individual

perspective.

I think it's it was a it was a

combination of all those things and

I've always been curious and walked

towards the how do I make myself better?

What are the things that I need, the

tools that I need in order to improve

myself, the way I think, the way How do

I maximize myself, you know? So,

from I think getting a, you know, an

executive coach, you know, um who talks

to executives all day and and and, you

know, how to create healthy

conversations, the right type of

conversations to have as you're building

a team around you cuz you know, you as

you know, it's not just us, you know, we

have an entire team of people that

surround us that help us achieve our

dreams and and and get the big idea

done.

You know, a spiritual advisor, a

spiritual coach that I have,

um who,

you know, helps me

uh do my energy work, my spiritual work

and and and and help sift through the

noise and and and and find those things.

And I think it wasn't until

I had, you know, roles that challenged

my spirit in myself in a real way that

that that that in the weight and and

where the attention was so loud that it

was, you know, it was deafening and it

it was and and I couldn't, you know, um

see clearly.

And, you know, these champagne problems.

You know what I'm saying? I I you know,

you know that like you know, we're

blessed. So,

but the weight is so heavy. You know?

And people would sometimes think and

they see what we have or what, you know,

or what we're, you know, what we're

doing and it's like, "Oh,

just be grateful, you know, or just,

you know, what are you complaining

about, you know?" And and

you know, most people wouldn't be able

to walk,

you know, a block in our shoes, you

know, with with this stuff. And I think

it was

and then you have moments where you you

resent things and you're angry at, you

know, the feelings that you accumulate

for not being clear or or not

understanding, you know, why this you

there's a lot of whys and you're not

going to get all the answers, but you

want to, you know, be able to get to a

place where you're you're clear. So, to

answer question, when did I decide, when

did I like, you know, when did I feel

like that?

Maybe 2 years ago. Maybe a year ago. You

look at where your family has come from

and look at your bloodline, you

know? You look you look at, you know,

your community like, "Man,

there's a cycle there

from generation to generation that

happens.

When you get to yourself and you're

like, "Man,

can I stop this? Can I change this?

I could do this.

Once you is like once you once you know

better, you got to almost do better.

Once you see it, you can't unsee it. And

I would I refuse to ignore it. I refuse

to see it an opportunity that I had to

change things and act like it didn't

exist. Mhm. And I think that was the

thing for me that I was like, "Nah, I

got to I got to

if that's my purpose, if that's my path,

is to just see it and I can see the

pieces and then if I can just continue

to do this or if I stay down the pathway

on that and I I might be able to make a

big difference Mhm. in my nephew's life

or my my my future children's, my future

grandchildren's life,

I got to do that. Mhm. Because there's

so been so many people that might that

didn't that that it wasn't the perfect

storm for them to have that opportunity.

It wasn't

the right time in the world, technology

wasn't there, the resources, the right

social conversations are being had for

for us to have these platforms and speak

and be successful the way we are,

you know, you you got to you got to do

it. And and I I think that was a big

part of it, you know, um

you know, understanding my own

mortality, Mhm. and and understanding

you know, that you know, life isn't you

know, isn't a forever thing. And I think

that happens when you get older, too.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you

know, just turned 37 and it's like,

"Wow, I vividly remember, you know, 15.

I vividly remember 21. I remember

vividly remember 25, 30, you know?" And

I used to look at 35, 37 like like

ancient, you know what I'm saying? And

I'm like, "Oh man, we're here." And it's

like,

you got to do what you got to do while

you're here and make an impact. You got

to fulfill your you got to fulfill

yourself, whatever that may be, you

know, um

and and I think so yeah, so that that

moment for me where it was like, "Okay,

I can do this. I can maybe a couple

years ago." I think it was like

right as I was stepping into directing

Creed 3. Mhm. And the weight of that and

being the captain of the ship the first

time, being a captain of the ship in a

you know, I've made movies before, you

know, I've I've I've done that. I know

what that's like, but I've never ever

been the director, you know, the the

captain of the ship. And I think that

responsibility, that pressure,

that you know, I'm not a dad, you know,

but being a everybody's looking to you

for the answer, for the solve, for the

leadership.

And I think that really thrust me into

uh uh my mindset of of uh of leadership

that I never quite had the opportunity

to do before. Mhm. I I I mean, there's

so much in that.

Sorry, I know I said a lot. It's great.

I like it. I prefer it that way cuz I'm

I'm connecting all the dots as you're

speaking and there's a I mean, there's

so many things I want to unpack with

that. One of the things that really

resonated

is this idea that you had to challenge

yourself. You had to do something out of

your comfort zone in order to even

recognize that you could become, that

you could be, and that you could

develop. And often we're waiting to

become before we take on the challenge.

But it's the challenge that makes us

become that person and I think we

resist. Even what you just said earlier

about the opportunities, this idea that

if you have opportunity and there's a

Eastern spiritual teaching which talks

about if you have opportunities and you

don't take them, that's a disservice to

humanity because they're opening up to

you without your even without your will

sometimes, right? Like there's some of

us and we'll sabotage ourselves because

we'll say, "Oh, well, I didn't ask for

that. I I I didn't I didn't know that

was for me." And so, I love the idea of

anyone who's listening or watching what

Mike's saying. I love the idea of

leaning into that opportunity that is

opening up for you. And even if you

don't have the skills and you don't have

the talent yet or you don't have all of

the tools and the abilities, it's going

to force you to develop them. For sure.

And and you talked about the coaching. I

want to go back to that and ask you

about that because

you want to be better mentally,

physically, spiritually. It's It's a big

part of who you are and even the

projects you take on, which I want to

dive into that. You said roles that

challenge your spirit. Even the idea

that you're looking at a role not as oh,

what's the next movie to get me the

thing? It's like oh, that's going to

challenge my spirit. I wanted to ask

what has been your best habit or tool

uniquely that you've developed for your

body, your mind, and your spirit

individually. What have been things that

you've done with your coaches in

different areas that you think has

brought about new epiphanies,

opportunities, and ideas. What have been

those tools and hacks that maybe people

can lock into as well? Uh I think

there's a this woman Ramona Oliver that

I've known me my entire life, you know,

she's my spiritual advisor and coach and

and you know, I think starting the day,

you know, a meditation, you know, you're

taking your a moment to clear yourself

and prepare yourself for the day.

Um it's so important

to to to step out of your home with

intent and intention. A lot of times

it's

what are you projecting on a situation

to help it manifest instead of

negatively thinking about things that

can help block your blessings.

Now, that's a big thing, you know? So I

So I think I think um and we all have

moments of negativity. That's part of

it, you know, it's the yin and yang.

You're never going to fully get rid of

that, but to practice those things in

the morning, I think was a big help for

me. Yeah, huge.

Um

you know, you shoot the movies and

you're doing things, you're walking out,

you know, there's there's there's you

hear stories of people that just can't

get a break sometimes. And and and for

whatever reason, it could be from

stepping off the curve, twisting the

ankle to, you know, the parking ticket

to the thing to the oh, I just can't get

a break and and there's certain people

that that carry this cloud, you know?

And I think

some of that can be contributed to the

the thought process and the thinking and

the energy that you're putting into

these things.

Mhm. And and it's sometimes easier said

than done, but but to to stop and to

reframe and to clear yourself and to

you know, now I'm walking in in this

light today. Mhm. And see how much of a

difference that can make. Mhm. Um and

and more on the structurally side, this

guy Drew Kugler

who um no relation to Ryan Coogler,

who was a you know, um executive coach

and and and

you know, as my ambitions grew from

production company to brand marketing

consultant companies to, you know, just

the products and the businesses

you know, the conversations I need to

have with the team, Mhm. you know, and

leadership and the

um everybody's coming from different

backgrounds and how do you speak

everybody's love language? Cuz everybody

you have to speak differently a little

bit to everybody so they can receive it

the way you meant it, you know?

Yeah, yeah. And and I think having the

quality of conversations is Mhm.

something that was really helpful for

me. Meaningful conversations. Mhm. And

giving people the space to

um hear me

and also hold them accountable Mhm. to

the things that I need to hold them

accountable for. Mhm. Um I think though

the combination of the two

uh allowed me to look at situations and

opportunities differently, for people to

look at me differently. Mhm. Because

it's also a troubling thing when you're

walking around as talent for a long

time, that's how they see you. Mhm. You

know? And you have an identity. I have

an identity. That's how that's what

they're So, there's this there's these

kid gloves that come along with that.

Yeah, I'm saying.

That is it's not everybody's fault.

That's everybody's in a a role. You have

to sometimes just step back and look at

the thing that we're in.

You know? Like we're in an industry, you

know, that has generations and

generations of Mhm.

taught behavior and practices

that

any positive disruptor has to understand

those things in order to disrupt them in

a way

and evolve them, you know, and and

things are evolving. You see it, you

know, that today things are evolving in

a way and

if you can look at it in a

you know, in a higher way, I think you

can find your way through that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that resonates. There's a

you remind me of this beautiful

statement from Mark Twain where he said

that history never repeats itself, but

it always rhymes. And I find that when

you were talking about the industry,

I was thinking about how if you don't

study history,

you have the rhyme happening in your

life, but then you can't interrupt the

pattern. So if you were a young star,

which you were, like I I love The Wire

as well. I've been a fan of the show.

It's like So you start in this industry

early and then you could spend years

trying to figure out why you still have

the kid gloves on

because you haven't studied that wait a

minute, that's what happens that unless

you disrupt the pattern, present

yourself differently, show more of

yourself, people are always going to say

he's talent. He's he's an actor. That's

that's what he does as opposed to oh,

he's a director or he's an entrepreneur

or he's he's an investor, right? I know

you have lots of investments all again

in the health and wellness space, like

sports teams and we're talking about

Mars as well. So it's it's interesting

how much if you don't study the history

of our industry, we get locked in the

identity of the role we've played in

that space.

And and it's so easy for us to get used

to feeling and often we do it to ourself

because

it's comfortable playing the same role.

And there's a familiar feeling of when I

play this role and I felt that in my own

small way, like when I went from having

to create content to get my message out

there, even though I wanted to do TV or

film or whatever and couldn't get a

break and so I went to content and then

I launched a podcast and I told you

about why we launched this podcast

earlier.

And then I wrote books and it was like

every time it was like oh like oh we

thought Jay was this but oh he's

actually oh and and and I've had to go

through that and I've realized the

hardest part is you letting go of that

identity.

And reinventing yourself.

yourself, right? Yeah, no no definitely

like I mean have you ever like you know

has the podcast been something you

always wanted to do and this is me I'm

just just curious or is it something

that you had to read you forced yourself

to re- to reinvent yourself in a way

because this isn't it for you. Yeah. You

know what I'm saying? I know it's not.

You know that this is this is a stop for

you. This is this is a chapter in your

book.

Did you ever think I have to reinvent

myself or was that a product of uh the

things that were telling you no or the

things that was challenging? Yeah, it's

a great question. I think it's a mix of

them all but the thing that kind of like

supersedes all of them which I try and

tap into which I think you'll resonate

with because I think that's the

conversation we're having.

Is having

a connection with your intuition. Like

for me it's

I'm not looking at like oh what's the

next trend or like how do I disrupt

myself? How do because to me those

things are still following other

patterns.

Got you. Whereas it's intuitively going

like what is what is the thing that I

bring or what do I want to do or what is

the the the missing piece of the puzzle

that I believe I have a unique

qualification to fill. Got you. Because

if I'm always looking around there will

always be a million things. Like I

always say to people if you go to a real

estate conference you'll realize you

don't invest enough in real estate. If

you go if you go if you go to a

cryptocurrency conference you'll feel

like oh crap I didn't do this and if you

like if I sit with a group of actors

I'll be like oh man I should have

started like you're always going to feel

the deficiency of the trend that you

study. Correct.

And so if you live that way around it

gets really complicated cuz then you're

like well do I do this or do I do that?

Like whereas when you when you go inward

it's like, "Oh, I feel alignment

Yes. with this right now because it lets

me express myself, it lets me connect

with people in a certain way. I feel I'm

at the right evolution in my journey

where it can manifest." As opposed to

like, "Oh, yeah, let me just figure out

what the next big thing is." Which

Correct. It makes so much sense, bro.

And I I think that's what it is. It's

like your alignment with where you feel

truthful.

You know, and and sometimes that always

doesn't

mean you're you're going to be

financially okay totally as well. You

know, you know, like you could feel

spiritually aligned and everything and

mortgage is due. You know, rent is due.

You feel me? So so there's that element

of it as well that you have to find your

your way through. Yeah, that that that

intuition, that that North Star is what

is something that

has led me all types of places uh that I

wouldn't trade in for the world. You

know, just that feeling of this feels

right. Yeah. I I know doesn't make

sense.

Probably there's probably some other

things on paper that that seems like the

better option or choice, but this feels

right. And and you know, more often than

not, you know, it it's it's been the

right move. Yeah, I love what you were

saying earlier about how the thought

process is such a powerful way of

breaking out of the cloud over your

head.

Mhm.

And I think we all have moments where

the cloud feels like it's never moving.

It's constantly raining on you and I

think a lot of people who are listening

may feel that way. Like, have you ever

been in that place? And and how have you

What has helped with your thought

process as you've been tuning that?

What's worked for you at least?

That's your moment.

That's your moment. It's not that all is

lost.

When you're feeling the most trapped and

and down and nothing can't go right, I

feel like those are the moments that

define you. Mhm. Those are those

character cannon moments that are like,

what am I going to do now?

Mhm. You know? Yeah.

How do you respond to that? And

thinking your way, feeling your way,

working your way through those things,

on the other side, it's like, you know,

I don't know who said the saying, but

like usually, you know, you're the

closest

to getting what you want is always the

hardest. It's always the feeling when

you're getting ready to you know, people

give up right before they get what

they've always wanted to get. People

quit and they give up. And I will not be

the person who quit before I got what I

wanted or what I needed or what I felt I

was supposed to have, you know? Like and

if that wasn't for me, it wasn't for me.

I'm going to keep grinding. I'm going to

keep knocking on the door until I get

what I feel That's been something I've

always felt since having the name

Michael Jordan and understanding that

there was another guy out there named

Michael Jordan that was the best ever to

do something. And being teased and

picked on about that and and and and and

made me for a moment not wanting to play

sports, but then it was like, nah, I'm

actually going to make sure I'm compet-

I'm going to compete at least I'm going

to compete. You're going to at least see

me. I'm going to be somebody that it's

not going to be, oh, his name is this.

It's going to be, oh, no, but he can

play. Or oh, no, he can oh, he he had he

had something about him, something that

is formidable, that is above average,

that is that is unique to him. And and I

I it gave me a healthy chip, you know?

So so and and I I and for the people who

are listening who, you know, who do have

you know, that doesn't feel like they

can

change the circumstances with the way

they think or they feel, just hold on.

Mhm. Just endure.

Endure, you know? Uh

Look at things differently. Challenge

yourself to look at things as the glass

half full. Mhm. Challenge yourself to

think four steps ahead. Think your way

through it. Like now we have so many

tools. We have so much information. It's

a lot of misinformation out there, but

there's but there's so much information

to

to be curious. Find something that you

that does resonate with you. Even if

it's not in the world that you ever

thought you would be in. Find something

that you align with. And cuz everybody

aligns with something. That's not an

excuse I'm going to I'm willing to take

from anybody, you know? Align with

something

and find your find your positivity, find

your intuition within that thing.

And and and be obsessed about it. What

have you been obsessed with lately? Like

what would you say is the thing you're

most obsessed with right now or or that

you have been in the past couple of

years that is kind of just

attracted and I've been obsessed with

getting my team right.

I've been obsessed with getting the

right personnel on the right brain

frequency and getting everybody on the

same page

to to

accomplish these things that we need to

go accomplish because I truly believe

it's going to be better for everyone. I

think it's really going to make an

impact, you know? Um and and so there's

there's a there's a obsessiveness that

you got to have to over communicate, to

follow up, to be redundant, to be

consistent, you know, that you need and

and I'm obsessed about it, you know?

Strengthening my family.

I'm obsessed over it, you know?

Uh to lead by example.

You know, and break generational trauma

and curses. I'm obsessed over it. Um and

I'm obsessed over every project that I

uh lend myself to. So this next movie

that me and Ryan's doing, I'm literally,

you know, I'm growing all my stuff out,

you know what I mean? My hair and stuff

like that now. I'm becoming obsessed

with it, you know? And that character

and

it's it's a it's an addictive feeling to

have a thought Mhm. and see it come to

fruition. Mhm. To create something out

of out of, you know, out of an from an

idea. Yeah. Um and to be persistent and

to see it and to manifest it, you know,

manifestation. I just love it, you know

what I mean? It's It's just cool. So So

that's something that I've been I've

been really really um

locked in with

and I think it's also something that

it's going to help people, you know? And

there's there's always

Mhm.

I don't want anything that's not

multi-hyphening.

Mhm. I I want I want anything that I'm

involved in it it it it has to have

layers to it. Um

you know, how do you help? How do you

educate?

What's the leave behind?

Mhm.

What blueprint am I leaving for the next

generation, you know, I got a nephew

now, you know, that is looking up at me

constantly. Yes, because of height, but

also because of the example. Mhm. You

know, and he's mimicking everything I

do. He's mimicking anything. I can say

something, do something. I can sit a

certain type of way.

Oh, snap, he's doing it, too. It's

crazy. So it clarifies your intention

when you do things because you want it

to have,

you know, a purpose and intention, you

know? Um

so those are the things

and I'm obsessed with

being the best version of myself.

And that's a daily thing, you know? Um

and some days are better than others.

Finding my

myself in a world where

there's so many

seen opinions about yourself.

Uh when everybody's telling you who and

what you are,

you know, learning how to live,

you know, growing up and in like in in

it's so wild. I've been doing this for

25 years straight.

You know, and that's a wild thing to

think about. But man,

more than half of my life has been my

identity was been through the work that

I've been doing.

Mhm.

And and growing up in with

you know, social media what didn't exist

and now it does. At a point where I'm

old enough to understand what that can

do.

So, I'm obsessed with finding myself now

uh after and and and not having to prove

anything to anybody

other than myself and my family, you

know?

But really myself.

And realizing that that is enough.

Do you know what I'm saying? Like that

like giving your best

is enough. And and sometimes we lose

track of that, you know? And and yeah,

so for anybody out there, you know,

you're enough, man. Absolutely. Let's

Let's toast to that. Let's toast to

that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shake it

up.

Shake it up. Yeah, man. And this is the

pure. So, we have three flavors right

now. The mango ginger, the pomegranate,

but this is the Cheers. Ah, cheers, my

guy. Appreciate you, bro. I'm excited to

try this.

Mhm.

Oh, that's good. That's easy. Easy.

It's easy. And anybody else had like

Refreshing. Yes. sea moss in the past,

they might not have They might not had a

good experience cuz they either they

like they they kind of you know, tried

to clean it and process it themselves.

Smooth. Don't taste like the ocean, but

it tastes a little, you know, it's it's

a little heightened.

It's like Mhm. It's refreshing. It's

smooth and it's easy. That's how I feel

about it. So, it's like yeah, I'm like

this is like

And it's a great mixer, you know? You

know, I don't know if you know you want

to do a We call them moss tails, but

like if you want to do like mock tails,

moss tails, you know what I'm saying? Or

if you want to mix them like with drinks

like with with spirits and stuff like

that, it's a really good uh

Yeah, man. I just This

This is 5 years of of obsession.

Uh you know, obviously when you know,

the health scares all over the place,

people you know, not a lot of

information of what's really going on,

what can help, what cannot help. I was,

you know, finishing up a movie in

Berlin.

Um and, you know, doing my own stunts,

not sleeping a lot in a foreign place,

you know, uh food was really wasn't

really my thing as much and I was

looking for something to kind of just

help me

get through my shoot days.

Mhm.

And um and I would just chug sea moss.

Like I mean by the jar just to cuz I

mean I was I was up

it's got to be doing good. I know it's

doing good, you know, I just buy the jar

and and and then you know, on the flight

home I was like it's got to be a better

way. Yeah. So I started making

smoothies, started you know, blending

them in and then my sister was pregnant

with my my nephew Lennox at the time.

So you know, at that point everybody was

in their own bubble, you know, and you

know, you know, wasn't able to kind of

visit many people so we would just blend

up smoothies, drop them off at the front

door, you know, that was my little care

package that I would do. I would do I

would do sea moss and I would do like a

you know, a homemade little pasta

and that was my act of service for my

family, you know, so so so that that

labor of love that that that kind of uh

it's started from a place of just trying

to help my family just like you know,

stay healthy during a pandemic and it

slowly evolved into something that I

wanted to get

you know, uh make it accessible to

everyone. Yeah, for people who don't

know the benefits of sea moss, what are

some of the things and the properties?

It's that cognitive brain, you know,

it's that clarity,

uh your your your immune system. So

being able to harvest them in a way that

that gets those nutrients inside of this

drink and your daily dose of moss is

something that I was really really

exciting me um about just like making a

beverage about it.

Yeah, the aftertaste is great, too.

There's no aftertaste. It's it's there,

you know, it makes you want to drink

more of it, you know?

yeah. And um and yeah

man.

It's good, man. It's good and and it's

it's uh

Yeah, I'm proud of it. I'm proud of it.

congratulations. That tastes good, man.

Now we know we got to go to yours, man.

What's up? No, we left it to we left it

to a moss tail now with Junior and

Junior and moss. Yeah, yeah. No, but I

love it cuz ashwagandha we got

ashwagandha in ours as well and ginseng

so I mean, you you you got all the

adaptogens in it. So, that's great.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's been it's been a a

labor of love for us, too. It's like me

and my wife always talked about it as

our COVID baby. It's like this is what

we were working on cuz we were the same.

We've been addicted to tea our whole

lives. And we did a hot tea as well, but

we were like, you know, for a lot of

people their hot drink is coffee. And

we're like, well, wait a minute. What if

your soda could be healthy for you and

good for you? And you know, how could we

do it where it has you know, 0 g of

sugar? Like, how do you still get it to

taste great with no sugar? Cuz me and my

wife are both off of refined sugars and

You got it. trying to be healthy and all

the rest of it. Yep. And then you

realize that all the sodas you drink,

you know, are full of it. So, how do we

make it easy for people to understand

these herbs and these adaptogens? And

you know, because a lot of people we

grew up with it. We were lucky in in our

culture. In Indian culture, you grow up

with a lot of these herbs and spices in

your daily food.

Exactly. And but a lot of people don't

have access to that. So, it's like, how

do you make it easy and when people may

not have it in their kitchen? So, yeah,

man. I'll I'll send you some to try

later as well.

No, please do, man. I see you got the

agave in there and everything. And I I

love this, man. I was loving what you

were saying about the building of teams.

Mhm. Because and and something you said

was like, how do you keep everyone on

like the free same frequency and like

attract those people? And I went I went

through a big thing for that in a

certain part of my work around 2 years

ago. A lot of people that are in my

sphere today, some of them have been

around since the beginning and and some

of them came on in the last 2 years. And

it has been life-changing. Yes.

Absolutely life-changing from a energy

standpoint, from a spirit standpoint,

and from a productivity effectiveness

standpoint. How have you been trained or

what are you How do you sense, beyond

like someone being able to do the job,

obviously? How have you been able to

learn how to sense or understand whether

someone's on that same brainwave and as

you said or brain energy as you are? And

and has that same value set that you

have? I think it's a a lot of

conversations and and and sometimes

trial and error.

Uh

I think my my intuition and my gut

is is the first, you know,

litmus test, is the first kind of line

of defense, you know, that I that I have

of like energy's vibe, you know what I'm

saying? Like, okay, that that that that

you feel on par, how, you know, how you

answer a question, what are the things

that you're saying, you know, um

are you speaking from ego? Are you

speaking about, you know, what what is

the what is the thing? You know, you you

you know, we're used to we meet so many

people. We have to use quick judgments.

Mhm. And who gets our time, you know, um

who do you open up to, who do you not.

And I think when it comes to building

into a team,

uh especially nowadays, you're coming

into something that's that's well-oiled.

Yeah. You're coming into a machine

already. Mhm. So, you have to fit not

just with me, but you have to kind of

fit with everybody. You know, you you

you have to know how to communicate the

things you need to know how to

communicate to. You have to the the ego

is something that can get in a lot of

people's way when joining a team or

joining something that's already really

established. And I think I think um

coming to a place of learning and

listening is really important and not

taking things personally. Mhm. Um I I

think I think uh and then there's

something to the people that's already

been in the team to understand that

there's going to be additions and there

is a process of there's a onboarding,

there's a welcome there's a thing that

you have to to bring people into the

fold in a way to get the best out of

them. So, I think there's been there's

been those learning things along the way

that's really that I really helped me

identify people who um that fit and work

well within the circle, you know, um and

and uh yeah, I think that's been my my

kind of process thus far. Uh

and then yeah, I I always want to create

environment where people want to be.

Yeah. You know, you're not here for a

check. Yeah. You you're here because you

believe in what we're doing and what we

want to do. And I'm pretty transparent

about those things, you know, so so I

think I think just being extremely

transparent and and and forward with

those things and and and know that it's

nothing personal if this isn't it, you

know, like I'm I'm the best I'm the I'm

the guy that's always going to give you

a great recommendation. You know what I

mean? Like I'm I want I want people to

win. You know, at the end of the day I

want people to win and and seeing

somebody in their strengths,

you know, and being like, "Okay, I I can

use that. That this this this would be

helpful in this way."

Um and if that works out, it works out.

And if not, then man I man I want to see

you do well. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, we

I remember years ago I was listening to

Eric Schmidt who was the CEO of Google

for a bit and he was talking about how

they were looking for smart creatives

and I love that that they had two words

that kind of summed up what they looked

for. They they looked for people who

were smart creatives and for me it

became humble champions. I was like, "I

want humble winners. I want I want the

people who can who want to win and have

that ambition but are able to put their

ego aside because then we're going to

speed up getting there because the thing

that slows you down from winning is ego.

Like the thing that stops you from

passing the ball is ego or you know,

bowing out and saying it's your turn is

ego and so but but you still have to

have that champion mindset cuz it isn't

just about oh yeah, no no no, you do

your thing like and that was a big thing

and then the other thing that worked for

me was I was like, "I need to work with

people that I could go to breakfast,

lunch, or dinner with if we didn't work

together."

Do I actually want to go to breakfast,

lunch, and dinner with this person

because I probably will be when I'm

traveling or on the road.

That means I like spending time with

them which means I'm happy to coach them

and I'm happy to learn from them.

Exactly.

Whereas if I don't want to and and

initially I was like that. I used to

just hire people who were great at what

they did but we didn't really have

chemistry. Like we didn't we didn't we

couldn't hang out and that wasn't

because they were wrong. It was also

because I wasn't aware.

Got you. And and then of course yeah,

the mission, the purpose is I mean

that's core and central and Because even

for you, I mean you're spending time

from your family with you know, your

team becomes your extended family. They

they

they are your family. You're eating like

said,

you breakfast, lunch, and dinner, you

know? Like, there's there's a part of

you that,

you know, it has to feel like I'm

getting a little bit of my family here.

And if it's not that, you know, it's

really hard for me, you know? And

obviously, like, you know, you have a

bigger company and there's employees,

and you're not going to be as personal

with everybody within the company, you

know, you're not going to have

breakfast, lunch, lunch, or dinner with

everybody. But but there's a there's a

there's a feeling of, you know,

I don't mind on a Sunday everybody at my

house watching the game, spending time,

cuz that's when not the 9:00 to 5:00

time to be creative or the 9:00 to 5:00

time to do the job. That's the that's

the extra mile. That's the oh, I had

this idea and I was just thinking, oh,

oh, we're looking at something together

and this would be great. Though the best

ideas sometimes come from those just

hang out moments. In those moments where

you're just spending time with with with

people that you work with. So, yeah, I

think that yeah, you're right. That's

That's really important. Yeah, for sure.

When I before the obsession point that

came up, which which is fascinating. I'm

glad I asked you that and you went you

went into it. You're talking about like,

you know, you you live in an industry

and you talked about social media where

people have an opinion of you. People

people

even an opinion is like people have a

lens because they've seen you in a

particular light. And I was wondering

like, what do you think something that

people get right about you and what's

something that people sometimes get

wrong about you? Like, what what do you

feel like when it comes to that? Like,

I'll tell you mine. Like, I feel like

for me, a lot of people think that I get

like often because of what I teach and

what I'm sharing and what I'm guiding,

it's like, oh, well, Jay must get

everything perfect all the time and

like, you know, he's like super deep and

like always just saying profound things

and and that's not true, obviously,

because as much as that is who I am and

that is my heart, I'm not always like

that. Like, I have I have bad days. I

have bad moods. I have off days. I have

I have days when I'm not feeling that

way, right? And so, that's that's

something that people get wrong about me

sometimes in that in that perception

because but I'm dedicated to this work.

I'm obsessed with it. I'm obsessed with

being better, but that doesn't remove me

from having flaws and weaknesses.

And And so, yeah. Yeah.

do a blooper reel.

You

You should do a blooper outtake reel of

those moments. You have your team catch

you in these little moments, and you

should put one out. That'll be fun.

That'll be fun. All right.

That'll be fun. I think that'll I'll get

on it. Yeah, I like that. I like that.

That'll be a good one. I like that. I

think for me it's like

I think I've intentionally stayed out

the way so much where I'm not giving

anybody any anything to go off of other

than what I want you to know. You know,

I think I think that's been it for a

long time. I've always had the approach

of like not speaking on things and not

giving them life, you know? There's

There's There's going to be perspectives

and there's things about you that just

aren't true. Uh do you do you care to

correct somebody or not, you know? Cuz

most of the time people's minds are made

up no matter what you say. It is what

it's going to be, you know? Stay out the

comment section, you know what I mean?

You get some great entertainment in

there, but then you can get a lot of

stuff that is just

people who want to project

the thing that's going to get the most

attention.

And the issue that I have with a lot of

that is

they can be completely false, and we

have a a industry of we were talking

earlier, the lack of journalism and the

skill of that that will run with those

things knowing that there is no basis to

them, but now that's a narrative that's

attached to you that you have to be

strong enough and strong-minded enough

to ignore knowing it's not true or this

human nature feeling of wanting to

know that's not true. I want people to

know this about me. And I've always

walked on that line of

you know, not caring,

trying not to care,

and

knowing that I'm enough and and and

knowing my truth. And the people who

know me know me. You know, I am

about my community and my people, you

know, wholeheartedly.

And

a lot of the choices that I make and the

things that I want to do and be a part

of is in service of that bigger picture,

you know, of of helping that, you know,

my community in a in a big way.

Um so, I think the biggest thing

sometimes if if they ever feel like

that they're not my top priority is

maybe one of the biggest

misconceptions.

Um

you know, the the love I have for my

community.

Regardless of people's approach, I think

everybody has a different strategy and

approach to how they affect and make

change.

Everybody It doesn't all look the same.

Um

and because it may not be typical

or

the average voice

because the package is different and

the craft in my field is different,

so I have a different set of

boundaries that exist in my lane that

I'm maneuver without

in and out of.

Like I love playing chess. I love I love

I love strategy. I love

I love reverse engineering and building

things.

So, I I I think I think that's one of

the the biggest things and

you know,

sometimes ignorance and a laugh or a

joke or a like or a thing we've

we've encouraged the behavior

of negativity and things and loudness is

all is the thing and and and that's just

not what that's not what I'm into. Yeah.

I'm into the love of things. I'm into

the the humanity and bringing people

together the best way and

but also I'm human.

No, I I appreciate that. I mean, I I

also think we've

put a false pressure on the definition

of authenticity meaning you share

everything with everyone. Mhm. And I'm

not sure I

vibe with that definition. Because I

think authenticity by nature is you

sharing what you feel comfortable with

each person. Like that's what it means

to be authentic and we could argue that

authentic just means being however you

want to be in any given situation. And

so I think there has become a false

pressure of oh you want to show you're

authentic by showing every part of

yourself.

And I don't know if that that triggers

anything for you is that what's the

definition of authenticity for you or

for me that's what it is, but what is it

for you? I think it's um

But then in hindsight there's a there's

a piece of it that not even just to go

back, but there's there's also like

maybe that's my

insecurity framing what

the loudness of the things that

I'm most sensitive of.

Mhm. Mhm. Is Is this noise somehow Yeah,

it triggers us for a reason.

You know what I'm saying? There's some

stuff that you just go oh yeah I don't

care.

whatever, but it's like but there's some

stuff that was like man like why does

that why does that bother me so much?

Like there's something there's something

about that that because I know what that

does in the bigger like I'm always

thinking bigger picture. It's very

rarely that I really focus on the thing.

It's always about what's the cause of

that in the bigger conversation, you

know?

Um

that the authenticity to me

is

being able to sleep at night, being able

to go talk to my mom and and and knowing

that the the people that know me

every fiber of my being, every my

intention knows my heart through and

through

that they see the same

person. Mhm. They're able to connect

with the same energy and the same vibe

and the same spirit. My energy has never

changed.

You know, I think being authentic to

that frequency is super important to me.

No matter where I go, no matter how I

evolve,

um

and have to mature

and grow up. I want my energy to always

feel the same. That's why when you meet

certain people and it's been years that

go by and you pick right back up where

you left off. It feels like no time is

lost. That energy is never It's always

the same. And I I love when people I

haven't seen in a long time or come to

me like, "Man, whoa, it feel You know,

it's the same." And I And I That That

just lets me know that I'm not losing

myself. I'm not losing track of, you

know, who I am and where I come from.

And I I am always going to be a agent of

change. Trojan horse or not, you know

what I'm saying? And And yeah, you know,

just in in continue to lead by example.

You know, I I know I know um

the path that I'm on isn't easy.

You know, sometimes it may look easy,

you know, uh for the successes or

whatever, but but it's uh behind closed

doors I'm doing I'm doing the the the

work so the future generations have it a

little bit easier or have a little bit

more tools to use. Um And they can ask

for certain things that won't be like,

"What?" It'd be almost standard for

them, you know? And

you know, from my vantage point, I'm

able to see a lot of the

within

systems,

you know, and and paperwork and

precedents. I've been chipping away at

those

where I can in places. And there's so

many I look

I say I a lot in this interview. There's

so many people out there that are doing

that type of work, you know, that exist,

men and women in these places that are

breaking down doors, that are chipping

away. It's like Shawshank Redemption,

you know? Grab rock at a time, gravel at

a time, you know? Eventually, that hole

is going to be open. You know what I'm

saying? Eventually it's going to be

open, but just chipping away and

unfortunately everybody can't be the

loudest one in the room. Mhm. You know,

got to be sometimes you got to be the

quiet guy in the room. You got to listen

and and look and pay attention Mhm. and

and and move how you need to move.

Uh the chess pieces they they have

different rules and different movements

for a reason. Mhm. You know, and they're

on the board in different places for a

reason. And and uh I know my place on

the board. Mhm. And I think that's

that's what it comes down to, right?

It's like I appreciate you bringing out

that point around how things that

trigger us Mhm. give us somewhere to

focus on Mhm. within ourselves. Like I

feel like that, too. Like I'm like

there's certain things that just don't

phase me at all and I can look like the

most detached guy and like

I'm I'm, you know, I'm bulletproof.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's

something that gets through that vest.

It's just just like and and you know

it's because there's a part of it that

feels true Mhm. and and there's a part

of you that you've allowed for it to

feel true Mhm. because it could be that

you

uh there's there's a part of your

self-esteem you haven't worked on.

There's there's something you took from

your childhood and made true for you and

now when someone else says it and you

didn't even know where it came from, but

you know, I was talking to a friend the

other day and we were talking about how

one of his mentors was letting him down

and Mhm. we discovered in that I've been

friends with this guy for like 20 years.

We're best mates.

Mhm. And it was like 20 years later we

figured out that he'd made his mentor

his father figure.

Okay. And he didn't really put two and

two together until just now and neither

did I for him. And he was like, "Wait a

minute. No wonder I'm feeling so much

pain with this mentor of mine because

I'd made him a father figure and gone

through that feeling of he's Superman

and now realizing he's not even though

I'm a 40-year-old man

Mhm. for him." Mhm. And so it's just so

interesting how the stuff that gets

under our skin

Yeah. it can just be hidden there and it

gets stale and stuck and and then you

don't look at it because you're like,

"Oh, no, no, it's nothing. It's

nothing." But, at one point when you

feel safe enough, you have to kind of

like look under the hood and go

you know, why is that there? But, coming

onto the point you were just making

around

paving the way for others and

setting an example and the

responsibility that comes with and like

you said, there's so many people doing

that. I feel like how would you define

your current purpose? Like how do you

define with everything you're doing? Cuz

you talked about purpose being a big

thing for you and you talk about the

mission of your company. Like what is

the purpose of that work? Who which

doors are you trying to open? Which

paperwork you're trying to shift? What

systems are you trying to affect? I

think I have my purpose right now. Mhm.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah.

I think I think I think I think I have a

a chapter.

25 years acting um

you know, producing, you know, being in

front of camera, being talent.

Learning so much about the world, about

myself, about the industry.

You know, I think

being a

a representative as a for my community

in a in a way that

places that a black actor hasn't gone.

Mhm. You know, um obviously you have the

greats, you have the Wills and the

Denzels, you know what I'm saying? That

that I look up to in a big way that you

know, that that through their talent,

the the the business and the craft has

extended to a new height. Mhm. So,

they've opened up doors for me that I

didn't even know was possible. That

night I was like, "Oh, wow, now we have

this and that. Now I could do that and

do that." So, they've kicked the door

down in a way that's like you know,

internally grateful.

So, like leading by example is is a big

purpose, you know, to for people to be

able to see it cuz it was big for me to

see it and think that I can do it, too.

So, there's that there's that part of

it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's the um

the business side of things that I've

got an opportunity to learn

from

investing your money. You know, what do

you do with the the savings and the

things that you do have.

I'm big sports guy, you know, I've

always wanted to, you know, own a team.

I'm competitive. I want to be involved

in that in that in that environment,

that energy, you know, of sports and

uh found a football team, you know, in

Bournemouth.

And a great partner in the

I I've literally had to like, you know,

bite my I cannot say soccer anymore cuz

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Uh And and um great great partner in,

you know, Bill Foley and he owns the Las

Vegas Golden Knights and and really

trying to turn that program around and

and just just amplify it in a big way,

but learning, you know, how to invest in

those things.

You know, uh oh, there's going to be a

new stadium.

Oh, there's opportunity to invest in

real estate. Oh, wow, now investing in

real estate in something that's going to

be around for,

you know, however many year lease and

this and that. Okay, cool, I can take

that and oh, wow,

uh investing in, you know,

started a

uh a JV for,

you know, um underneath that umbrella

company

to have your own product. And then from

there you can create another JV. Oh, you

can invest capital. Oh, you can have a

venture for Oh, oh, snap. Okay, wow,

this is a whole other game. This is a

whole other nuance of uh acquisitions

and investment and capital that I never

even knew exist I'm I'm used to, you

know,

W-9 forms and taxes, you know, like you

know what I'm saying? All that, you

know, on the on the on the on the on the

talent side, there's a whole other game

to be played. Um

and

and taking that information, just the

information that that exist and what

that would do to, you know, to to the

next generation, you know, knowing

what's available to him,

knowing that there's other ways to

maximize my my my brand, you know, your

brand, um

creating things, ownership of things,

um as streamers and studios and there's

there's so many other platforms that

have you know, people are content crazy.

You know, podcasts, you know, it's

become a a business as well, you know, a

new you know, a new venture that that

people have been able to monetize their

own their own following, their own their

own likeness in a real way.

Retirement. What does that look like

really? You know, do you know, really to

a will

will will leaving a will behind. Like

what? Like I mean no, I mean there's

things that you just don't get taught,

you know, there's nobody you know, so so

I've stumbled on it upon it these things

within my success and my intuition and

my partnerships and my relationships

that but again it goes back to like the

why me, this one guy, you know, that has

got has gotten access to all these

things and

my man over here, my guy over there,

nope, they you guys would never know

about none of these things because of

how whatever your life path has taken

you has not been in these areas or

nobody has had the opportunity to say

those things to you.

So I put that on me as a purpose to be

able to to give that information, you

know, in a real way. That's real. And

identify the you know, people that are

hungry enough and you know, that want

it, you know, that want it. They got to

want it and they got to be up

and come on, let's go figure it out. All

right, let me let me let me figure out

how to help set you up with the right

people so you got the right

conversations, you know, and then you

also got to be careful who you help too,

you know, you can't you know, you want

to help everybody but you can't help

everybody.

Um but you can leave a blueprint for

everyone.

You know, sometimes

that's all a person should need

sometimes is seeing it man and being in

in in in the thought.

Then you got to leave it on the person

to do their their part of the work to

lift that part of the weight

to put on that burden to go do that for

themselves, their family, their their

their their people within their

their circle so.

Yeah, for sure. I like that, man. That's

I mean

it's super powerful because I think,

yeah, so many people don't have access,

don't understand, don't have the

language, don't have the vocabulary, and

it's a it's a huge purpose. What do you

do when it all just gets too much? When

you're like it's a lot. It's a lot, you

know, cuz you're on shoot days, you're

busy, you've got this going on. Like,

what do you do when it all gets too

much? What's the first thing?

to go to Japan.

I try I try to get on the first thing

smoking to Japan. I'm out of here. It's

one of the few places that I've been

that I I feel like I just exist. Yeah.

You know what I'm a part of?

I've been Growing up, I've been obsessed

with anime. I'm a big anime guy, you

know? So, since I was like, you know,

11, 12 years old, it's been anime, you

know? And that's been my cartoon, comic

books, anime. I mean, that's just like

my, you know, escapism. Which is I'm I'm

in that. And, you know, growing up

watching those shows,

you they There's so much of their

identity and their culture in the

dialogue, and the messaging, and all

that stuff. So, I just had this idea,

this place in my head that

had was full of respect and it was

hospitable and hard work and tradition

and, you know, I mean, thousands of

years of, you know, a couple thousand

years of tradition, you know what I'm

saying? That, you know, and that that

exists.

And

and I was like, man, I wonder what if

this place is going to live up to the

expectation. Obviously, the food and the

culture and all that good stuff. And

yeah, when I went, it it it was it was

everything that I thought it would be

and more, you know? Um and obviously, I

went went the right type of way. I, you

know, I created anime as well, you know?

I wanted to, like, you know, I So, cuz

they're they're they're so loving and

and and and welcoming in a really big

way. And yeah, for me, going there,

there's not a

you know, a million phones being out.

Everybody they're very respectful of

your space. They're um and people are

going to obviously come up and say,

"What's up?" You know, that's that's

what's going to happen, but it's it's in

a way where you don't feel like I have

to hide as much.