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[music]

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How does a highly respected creator go

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from getting over 1 billion views a year

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to losing it all the following year?

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It's simple. Do not

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absolutely not at fault there.

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>> Admit.

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>> So for everyone who's mad about that,

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I'm be angry about it.

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>> Fault.

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>> We are just blaming you. It's about the

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zero accountability is what makes us so

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mad.

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>> There's no zero accountability, dude.

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Jason Thoroughhal grew a small following

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while proudly acting as the face of his

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game studio Pirate Software. While this

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developed, his indie game Heartbound did

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not. For nearly a decade, he has been

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teasing progress on Animus, a single

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chapter in his five chapter game.

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Progress further stalled when he became

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something of an online icon. Through his

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YouTube shorts, Thor would grow rapidly.

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His viewership increased by 31,000%

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[music] in November 2023 alone. Here he

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would disseminate advice and establish

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his lore that would pay into his

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credibility.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. My my last job was hacking

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power plants for the federal government.

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I worked for the United States

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Department of Energy. Yeah. No, my dad

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didn't inspire the Wow Guy from Zur. My

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dad is the WoW guy from South.

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>> I am a content creator specifically that

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is a game developer that has worked in

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this industry for 20 years. Pirate

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Software was massive but not

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unstoppable. It was in January of 2025

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that he alongside hundreds of content

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creators joined in a massive

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collaborative gaming venture in the MMO

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World of Warcraft. A game which he not

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only helped developed but was also

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supposedly an expert in. It was his

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failure here but more so his failure to

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admit fault that unraveled everything.

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>> Straight up, bro. This dude

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this dude is a complete fraud.

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>> No, that's the issue. disguise

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egoistically.

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>> The internet watched live as a life and

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tech guru struggled with even the

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simplest of PR decisions. For months,

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Pirate would only address the

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compounding criticisms with

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unsatisfactory and snider retorts. This

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caused his indie game to lose support,

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brought a sharp decline in views, and

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fueled an endless stream of expose

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videos that have meticulously unearthed

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his controversial past and discredited

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every one of his achievements. I have

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been called a zoo file, corporate plant,

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degenerate, narcissist, nepo baby, and

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many other names. And they attacked all

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the accomplishments over my life despite

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physical evidence to prove to the

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contrary. To get the fullest

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understanding, this video aims to

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capture all of Pirate Software from his

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controversial history to present day.

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In 1987, Jason Thoral was born. And four

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years later, a game studio integral to

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the story of Thor was founded.

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>> If I can't say no good about someone,

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then I'll say nothing at all.

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>> Silicon and Synapse, composed of three

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University of California graduates,

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worked to port video games, essentially

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translating them to work on other

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systems. This included a game based on

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Lord of the Rings and other high fantasy

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themed games. Through their continued

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success, they developed their own

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original IPs.

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Joey Ray Hall, Thor's father, was a new

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hireer and responsible for many things,

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but mostly the artwork. The studio then

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renamed itself Chaos Studios. As

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reported by PC Gamer, this was a

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decision made because, quote, "People

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would often mistake silicon for

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silicone, thinking breast implants

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instead of electronics."

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As the studio saw continued success, its

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senior employees earned promotions. Joy

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Ray Hall through his work as an artist,

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a 3D modeler and a supervisor, would

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eventually create and lead the cinematic

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team. At this point, the company had

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rebranded as Blizzard. It had become

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famous for its high fantasy original IPs

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like Warcraft and Diablo.

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>> Hello, my friend. Also, in the 1990s,

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they released science fiction RTS

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Starcraft. All of these games were rich

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in lore, in strategy, and were developed

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with care.

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>> Go, go, go.

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Let's move. While Blizzard was earning

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its status as an iconic game studio,

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there was trouble brewing for Thor and

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his family.

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>> We had a we had a moment my dad and my

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mom split up when I was very young,

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right? And when they were when they

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split up, we actually got the chance to

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like which house do you want to live

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with from like the court and I I was

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like chose my dad because my mom was

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very emotionally driven and it just kind

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of freaked me out.

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>> Thor, now in high school and wrestling

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with the emotions of his parents'

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divorce, used art as an outlet.

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>> In high school, I became the the leader

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of comic book club. So, I started comic

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book club, but it wasn't like we're

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collecting comics. It was we're making

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them. And then, um, that's actually when

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I made the comic that is Heartbound

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today, cuz I made it when I was like 16.

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In high school, I became the the leader

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of comic book club. So, I started comic

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book club, but it wasn't like we're

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collecting comics. And then, um, that's

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actually when I made the comic that is

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Heartbound today.

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>> Eventually, Heartbound would take the

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form of a video game. For now, what Thor

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had was the story and the emotion behind

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it.

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>> Yeah. And it's funny, people in chat are

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talking about uh the tower, which is a a

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chapter in our game, Heartbound. And uh

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yeah, that's that's completely what

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that's about. It's all about, you know,

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my relationship with my mom growing up

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and everything like that. That's why I

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made that section of the game. It was

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kind of a cathartic thing for me to

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build that portion of the video game

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about that. I think for me when I was

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young, it was I guess it felt like the

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norm, like all people are going to be

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like this. So that's because you have

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very little perspective.

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>> What does this mean?

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>> Um lying to you about things,

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gaslighting, saying things that happened

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that didn't happen, all kinds of stuff,

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right? And it's it's a rough it's a

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really bad feeling.

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>> Thor at around age 17 secured possibly

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his first job through the help of his

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father who among hundreds of employees

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was one of the elite. One of the first

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10 employees of Blizzard before it was

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Blizzard.

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>> The relationship with Blizzard. I mean

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obviously your dad worked there. Did he

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just you know help you get in the door

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initially?

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>> So he did back in in 2004. So there was

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a bit of nepatism that happened there

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which I don't like. Right. So like I

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stayed there for about six months and I

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was terrible at the job. I was awful

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100%. And I left because I it was like a

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lot of shame from that. It's like I only

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got this job because of you. I'm not

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very good at it. This sucks, you know?

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So I left and I went freelance for about

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5 years and I made stuff online. I um I

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actually built things in Second Life.

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>> Second Life, a multiplayer simulation

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released in 2003 was meant to capture a

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more mainstream audience seeking

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escapism.

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>> Second Life is not a game. It is a

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multi-user virtual environment. It

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doesn't have points or scores. It

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doesn't have winners or losers.

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>> Though Second Life at its peak did have

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over a million casual players, a more

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goal-driven high fantasy game would take

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the throne in terms of cultural impact

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and active user base. This was none

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other than World of Warcraft.

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This MMO based on the Warcraft games was

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a cultural phenomenon. The expansive

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worlds full of millions of active users

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birth stories of great achievement. OH

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MY GOD. [screaming] OH MY GOD.

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>> AND CRIPPLING ADDICTION.

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>> Oh no.

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No. What?

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>> So much so that even the television

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series South Park made an episode

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dedicated to it titled Make Love Not

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Warcraft.

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>> Even the people when we we did this

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episode in conjunction with the people

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at Blizzard, the people who actually,

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you know, produced the game.

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>> Who is this?

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>> And um even they were like, "Boys, boy,

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some of these people are losers that

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play this game all the time." Even the

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people work for the company. Thor's

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father, Joey Ray Hall, was one of the

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people Blizzard sent over to make this

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happen. As such, he was given the honor

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of becoming the inspiration for He who

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has not life, the antagonist of the

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episode. While Joey Ray Hall had

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cemented himself as somewhat of a

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cultural icon, mostly within the

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company, Thor, as a freelance contractor

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for Players of Second Life, had started

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his own journey. as funny as that is,

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did a whole ton of commissions, actually

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moved out, went off and lived on my own

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in Colorado and and like learned

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programming, learned how to do 3D

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modeling and texturing and like

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releasing things and, you know, living

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on my own off my own creations,

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everything like that.

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>> On May 7th, 2006, Thor began his journey

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on Second Life under the character Mald

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Davius Victory.

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Over the years, this account will be

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renamed constable [music] victory,

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clockwork, sexually transmitted bees,

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[ __ ] posting AI, king of space, Thor,

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and mailware. In the space, [music] Thor

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began relatively small and unknown. It

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was only 6 months after Thor was exposed

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to this world that he created his fur

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affinity account. Here, he would

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commission artwork like his furry avatar

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inspired by a ferret. [music] Even his

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profile picture was commissioned, likely

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using him and a ferret as reference. Not

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only was Thor a fan of this artwork, but

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also according to Avastar, a Second Life

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magazine in a piece written by Bilbo

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Winkler, quote, "Funky furry Maldavius

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Fake Tree owns Dark Sphere Creations as

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well as being a talented sculptor."

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[music]

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In this interview, Thor as Melavius

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states he helps tag Griefers and that he

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himself owns his own hangout spot, a

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club known as Dark Sphere Creations, or

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DCS for short. This was built by him and

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a few other artisans. At some point,

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Dark Sphere Creations became more than a

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location. It became a company and an

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online store. As per this article on

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land sales in Second Life, quote, he

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bought his own sim. DCS is a content

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business that was founded September

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16th, 2006.

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Thor, alongside an artist known as

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Wingless Emoto, would work to sell

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avatars. So, like I had a business at

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the time. I was working freelance. I was

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working on things with another person.

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Um, the way that it worked is I was

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creating programming. They were creating

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3D models and we were building these

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things together and then selling them

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online. And at that point, we were

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making a lot of money. I was making like

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10 grand a month. I was making a ton of

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money. And for a young person, that's a

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that's a ton. Even now, that's a ton of

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money, right? Thor was making a good

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amount of money on Second [music] Life.

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But this was not the only thing he was

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doing. As per this leaked text log

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taking place around April 2007, he was

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also working with others to target

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specific griefers. Today, these are

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better known as trolls. [music] As

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Second Life was in essence many

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simulated worlds, these griefers could

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come in and spawn endless entities to

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crash a world or just overload it with

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noise-causing entities.

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While some griefers could be less

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harmful in their approach, others could

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spawn in entities plastered with images

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of bloody wolves, decapitated animals,

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or images containing texts or slurs. All

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of these were aimed to harass Second

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Life's furry community. The video on

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screen comes from the infamous 4chan

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adjacent griefer group Patriotic Nigas

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or PN for short. Thor likely running

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into these through his griefer hunts

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eventually joined up with a group of

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like-minded vigilantes who called

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themselves a Justice League Unlimited or

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JLU for short. To this we go back to the

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leaked chat logs that show Thor joining

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this group. After a lengthy pledge given

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by the leader of the group, explaining

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the origin of the group wearing

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superhero costumes and a dedication to

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do good and not bad, Maltavius accepts

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and becomes a member of JLU. There is a

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rabbit hole involving this group and

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their involvement with each other and

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their direct connections to Lynen Lab,

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the creators of Second Life. This video

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will only cover Thor's involvement. As

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per the PN run wiki, Thor created

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[music] cubes that quote are probably

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hidden in a few other permanent objects.

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If they see any objects rested in the

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sim with common projectiles, resers,

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etc. names, it would automatically

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attempt to orbit you. Isn't this

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technically griefing as well? This is

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pretty much useless as well, as long as

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you actually know they do this. C

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bypass," unquote. This object of Thor's

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creation looked for key words and

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activated when an item titled under a

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suspicious name like orbiter, weapon,

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nuke, etc. was spawned in. They were

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effectively mass surveillance tools, but

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as PN discovered, they could be bypassed

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by name griefer tools or their

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components object, as object is a

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standard name for items in Second Life.

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This was not the only attempt Thor made

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to counter this infamous group. He

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infiltrated them as well. Quote, "I'm

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not even a furry if you didn't know. I

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make money selling furry avies. I make

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steampunk. See the robot in front?

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That's my normal Avy. The cube on my

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hand is a cube of havoc, my weapon of

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choice." unquote. Thor then claims he

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crashes his own Sims more than Pen,

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implying he is a reputable griefer.

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However, the other participant is

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distrustful. Later in the conversation,

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they ask why Thor would go around in a

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furry avatar if he is not a furry. Thor

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responds, quote, "Because if you show

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yourself as a member of the group, that

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group trusts you. Same with JLU, PN, and

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the rest. I show myself as a quote

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unquote member and they buy my stuff.

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When I'm a robot, I sell less." Sneaky,

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sneaky. Everyone knows I'm not a furry."

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Thor did indeed grief and/or delete

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other simulations. One was of a client

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that he had a copyright dispute with,

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and the other was a simulation known as

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Woodbear University, a base of

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operations for PN. Though there exists

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stories that Thor righteously struck

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this sim, the owner has stated that the

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sim was set to be rebuilt anyway, so it

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was not an act of malice. It was only

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seen as such because the sim was soon

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removed by Lynden Labs themselves. Even

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so, PN struck back by spreading word of

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Thor's infiltration, tracking device,

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and his docs. This includes his name,

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address, both home and cell phone

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number, and email. This could formally

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be found on the PN wiki. According to

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it, Thor tried to get this page removed,

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but did not succeed. Side note, Thor as

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Mount Davius Victory did have a wiki for

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a page with his real name and birth

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date. It also lists the games he played

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and made note that his persona is a

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ferret. According to the wiki's removal

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request, someone likely Thor kept

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removing information found on the wiki

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only for it to be restored until a

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request was made for personal exclusion

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which Thor allegedly verified it was him

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by posting the comment delete me on his

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for affinity page. This is why his

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current day wiki for page states it is

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left blank by request. As for PN's wiki

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that was maliciously doxing Thor, it

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also served as a gossip piece for a

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Second Life drama and even makes note of

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Thor's father and his status at

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Blizzard. Undoubtedly, because Thor

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would bring this up in conversation,

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things only got worse for Thor as his

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business partner, Wingless Emoto,

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wanting to renegotiate their contract.

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Eventually, that person came by and

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they're like, "Hey, I'm going to re

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renegotiate. I want 80%. I'm going to

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give you 20% cuz I do the the art and uh

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you do the you just do the programming."

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They didn't respect that the programming

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was half of the half the job, right? And

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I said, "No, like we have a deal for

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50/50." Like, "No, we're not doing

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that." And they said, "Okay." And they

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took all of our work and they open

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sourced it. According to the Alpha Veil

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Herald, quote, "Maldabius Victory,

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notorious for having destroyed builds in

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the Woodbear University sim last summer

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is in the news again this week after his

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controversial firing of Avatar designer

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Wingless Emoto. According to reliable

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sources, Victory held an suspiciously

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timestaffed meeting last Friday morning.

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A meeting timed when Wingless Emoto

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would be asleep and therefore unable to

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attend. During this meeting, it was

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determined that the talented avatar

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creator Emodo was earning too much and

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should therefore be removed from staff.

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The terms of service for Victory's

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company, Dark Sphere Creations, were

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conveniently changed, and Miss Emoto was

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removed from her position, all before

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she awoke to the news. quote, "Tabloids

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at the time do what tabloids do. We were

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kind of a big deal in the game at the

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time for the avatars we were selling, so

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they made extreme and idiotic statements

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and took the side of just the artists

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without reaching out to me." Thor

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commented on the story with the alleged

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chat logs between him and Wingless

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Emodo. Quote, Wingless says, "I made a

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druid named Penis Cock." Maldius says,

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"Cool. I ran the company while you sat

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on your ass." Wingless says, "Keep up

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the good work then. I intend to continue

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sitting on my ass. I'm far too cheap to

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buy a new tablet right now." Maldavius

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says, "You're an ass. You really are.

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You don't give a [ __ ] about this

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anymore, do you? You realize everyone

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else in this company is telling me to

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drop your ass right now. Even Gryore."

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Wingless says, "Did it really in the

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first place? Money is nice and all, but

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mostly I build because I like doing it."

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This article has 55 comments. While some

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do point to the article's bias, as the

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image the author selected to represent

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Thor is of a furry avatar giving oral

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sex, the majority of comments testify to

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Thor's infamy. This comment in

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particular provides more information on

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him and Wingless Emoto. Quote, Maldavia

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says, "I fired her. She didn't work for

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2 months, missed meetings because she

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was playing WoW and or too lazy to come

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and then freaked out when I said I would

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be paying her on Fridays instead of

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point of sale due to tax complications

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since I had to report all this income

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for taxes. She's also underage. So, I've

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reported her. I know this because I met

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her IRL. She lives 2 hours from me. I

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told her she'll be paid on Fridays for

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the sales when she turns in the weekly

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report as usual, and she freaked. So, if

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half the content is mine, and I agreed

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to only take half the revenue, as I

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always did, then why would she be

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pissed? I planned the meeting, told her

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about it, she played well till 4:00 a.m.

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and slept through it. Not my fault."

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This chat log, among providing evidence

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that Thor did fire Wingless as she

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slept, also provided the information

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that she was a minor and that Thor met

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up with her in real life. Thor would

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later state that Wingless was 17 at the

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time and he was 19. He also claims they

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never did anything sexual. An account

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claiming to be Wingless Emodo would

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later add, quote, "nothing inappropriate

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happened when we hung out. He literally

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sat on my couch and played Eve online

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the whole time and it wasn't quote

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unquote in private. My mom was at home."

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As for the other comments directed at

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Thor, they read, "This is not only

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hypocrisy from Aldavius, but greed. I am

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glad to see the rest of the grid waking

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up to what a cancerous evil there is in

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Maldavia's victory. Much of the drama in

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his little world centers around his

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penis." These are only a handful of

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select quotes. On the lengthier side is

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this testimony. Quote, "OMG, this is so

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funny. He wanted to be my business

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partner, so I took him on board. He did

17:41

approx 80 minutes of work against my 30

17:44

hours and expected to get half the

17:45

cash." Then when I complain about this,

17:48

as well as being constantly ignored for

17:49

two weeks, he gives me his, "Do you know

17:51

how good of a scriptor I am? How much

17:53

I'm worth. I make $8,000 US a month from

17:56

SL speech." Of course, at this stage,

17:59

the alarm bells ring and I quickly hit

18:01

the delete/silence button."

18:04

>> I had a very kind of grand vision of

18:06

myself, way grandio, way larger than

18:09

life, frankly, in an absurdest sort of

18:12

way. I thought I was top of the world. I

18:13

thought I was I was kick-ass all the

18:15

time. And um it humbled the [ __ ] out of

18:18

me. Frankly, it's the best way to put

18:20

that.

18:20

>> It was not the falling out with the

18:22

wingless emoto that quote unquote

18:23

humbled Thor. It was a wingless emoto

18:25

making all the avatars she had made for

18:27

the business now free.

18:28

>> Our income went gone. So they cut off

18:31

their nose despite their face. They lost

18:33

everything as well. But I was in a much

18:34

more financially precarious position

18:36

because I was an idiot and spent all of

18:38

my money. That was on me, right? Their

18:40

action awful, but also I didn't plan for

18:43

anything like that. So, I went homeless.

18:45

I lived out of my car almost

18:46

immediately, too. I didn't have money

18:47

for next month's rent. Like, it was just

18:49

like boop, gone. That's a problem,

18:51

right? And uh I was on a month-to-month

18:53

situation like that, which is already

18:54

highly expensive. So, I was out. And I

18:57

learned throughout that process, it's

18:58

like I could blame them, but where's

19:02

that going to get me? I'm going to get

19:03

back in this exact same scenario.

19:05

>> Thor goes on to claim that it was his

19:06

time being homeless that made him

19:08

self-reflect. what can I do better so

19:11

that even if another person acts

19:12

improperly and tries to abuse that sort

19:15

of connection or what they have over me

19:17

that I will not be back here and that's

19:19

where I formed all of these ways that I

19:21

kind of handle problems and logically

19:22

walk through problems and handle

19:23

everything in the way that I do is to

19:25

prevent that from happening to me again.

19:27

It appears that Thor after his falling

19:29

out with Wingless Emoto attempted to run

19:31

his own store using models of his own

19:33

design with little success. It took Thor

19:35

a year to scale his business to the

19:37

point that he claims he was making

19:38

$10,000 a month. As his fame gradually

19:41

increased, so did his sense of status,

19:43

leading him to make a decision that

19:44

would not only turn the community

19:46

against him, but also entirely destroy

19:48

his career. Though he would feel humbled

19:50

through his failures, these lessons

19:52

decades on would be ignored and history

19:54

would repeat itself at a much larger

19:56

scale. For now, as Thor claimed, after a

19:59

year living out of his car, he would use

20:00

his experience in Second Life to apply

20:02

once more at Blizzard. Thor on his

20:04

LinkedIn reframes his time in Second

20:06

Life generously, claiming he worked as a

20:08

quote unquote freelance security

20:10

researcher and developer. Either with

20:12

this or through his father, Thor got a

20:14

job at Blizzard for a second time. Thor

20:17

claims this was with his own merit. And

20:19

then I came back to Blizzard in 2009 and

20:21

I applied again and I got the job

20:22

without him. And that was the whole

20:24

point for me was to make sure that I got

20:26

a job at a place like that. Good thing

20:28

is never a good thing.

20:30

>> At Blizzard, Thor worked under the

20:31

quality assurance team. These are game

20:33

testers meant to find quirks or bugs

20:35

before the product is made public. This

20:38

is highly important for MMOs like World

20:40

of Warcraft, as a major bug can lead to

20:43

rare item duplication or the like.

20:45

Little would have been known of Thor's

20:46

character in this time period if it were

20:48

not for his ex-coorkers speaking to the

20:50

person Thor was.

20:52

>> Basically, what happened is we share the

20:55

same last name. That's why I don't mind

20:57

sharing my last name. When I joined the

20:59

company, they literally thought that we

21:01

were related because I have a couple of

21:03

years on him. So, they thought that I

21:04

was his older sister and they thought

21:06

that with me coming in, I could

21:08

potentially handle him and he would be

21:11

less of a problem.

21:12

>> This comes from an interview creator

21:14

Quinio conducted. Though Cynthia Hall

21:16

claims to have clarified to Blizzard

21:18

that she was not related to Thor, she

21:20

still bared the responsibility of

21:21

keeping him on track, which was not the

21:24

easiest task. um whatever the task was

21:26

for the day. It could just be spawning

21:28

different monsters and [music] testing

21:29

their aixes to see how they perform.

21:31

That easy. But he would just kind of

21:34

create a character and idol in the

21:36

client and then read it. That's

21:38

literally what he did. He sat in front

21:41

of me and I was assigning the tasks.

21:43

>> So, not only did I see the work he was

21:45

not doing, I saw what he was doing

21:48

instead. Cynthia claims that even with

21:50

the knowledge that Thor would slack off,

21:52

there was little she could do because of

21:53

who Thor was.

21:54

>> He said, "Well, you could try to

21:56

escalate it, but no one's going to do

21:57

anything because I've [music] tried to

21:59

report it before." So, I talked to my

22:00

manager and I talked to one of the

22:02

department heads. Like, I talked to the

22:05

manager over the project. [music] And I

22:07

was essentially told that no one is

22:09

going to do anything. It does not look

22:11

good on your future at Blizzard if you

22:14

mess with an executive son. Period.

22:16

Everybody knows who Jason is. If you

22:18

write him up, if you fire him for

22:21

misconduct or otherwise, people are

22:23

going to know you did it. They're not

22:24

going to know that anything was actually

22:26

going on. They're just going to know you

22:28

were the guy that fired Joey Ray's son.

22:30

And your career is pretty much toast

22:32

because everybody in the games industry

22:34

knows each other, too. He was allowed to

22:36

do whatever he wanted to do because

22:38

nobody would course correct him.

22:42

Cynthia on the website Kiwi Farms under

22:45

the username Boing Boing also wrote of

22:47

what Thor would get away with. Quote,

22:48

"During a charity event on campus, he

22:51

participated in a League of Legends

22:53

tournament. He was profainely screaming

22:54

at his teammates across the office about

22:56

how shitty they were for not being able

22:58

to buy to counter the other team. This

23:01

was a casual charity event, not some

23:03

actual rank [ __ ] And these were people

23:05

he worked with on his team. I'm actually

23:08

shocked he wasn't written up for this,

23:10

but only one manager was present and

23:11

locked in his office at the time." Given

23:14

no recourse, allegedly some of Thor's

23:17

other co-workers saw it fit to troll

23:18

him. But this guy is a master troll.

23:22

This guy was also one of my best

23:23

friends. would print out a photo of

23:26

Edward Colon's face and tape it to the

23:28

bottom of Pirates's mouse so that

23:31

whenever he would come back to his desk,

23:33

he would wiggle his mouse to try to wake

23:35

his PC and he just couldn't wake his PC.

23:37

So, he'd have to flip his mouse over and

23:40

be greeted with Edward Coen's face, and

23:42

you could just hear him scream across

23:44

the floor.

23:45

>> Even with Thor's infamy, she found

23:47

herself to be in a bind that required

23:49

his help. Quote, "Thor became my

23:51

roommate because his dad kicked him out

23:53

of the house, and I happened to be in

23:55

need of someone to take over a room that

23:57

another person fell through on. I

23:58

already observed some of his [ __ ] but I

24:00

was in a bit of a bind and figured it

24:02

would be fine since we were on the same

24:04

overtime schedule." I really should have

24:06

known that if Joey Ray didn't want him

24:08

around, it was best to keep Max's

24:11

distance." unquote. Cynthia provides

24:13

this message as evidence that she

24:15

believes Thor may have been initially

24:17

hitting on her even though Thor did have

24:19

a girlfriend who also worked at

24:20

Blizzard. As per these two messages, it

24:23

is evident that Thor moved in with

24:24

Cynthia October 2011. Quote, "From the

24:28

first days after moving in, the kitchen

24:30

was a literal pigsty. All pans would be

24:33

constantly used and left dirty, usually

24:35

with food remnants intact, dishes and

24:37

utensils everywhere, sink full, filth

24:40

all over the stove and counters. I also

24:42

had a new patent leather chair that is

24:44

quote unquote totally non-destructive.

24:46

Cat started scratching to hell the same

24:48

day he moved in. And he only ever

24:50

offered to tape up the chair. He even

24:52

tried to gaslight me by insisting the

24:54

chair was always scratched up. Zero pets

24:57

touched that apartment before he moved

24:59

in. I asked that he replace the $100

25:02

chair since all surfaces were destroyed

25:04

and he insisted taping it was fine. He

25:07

didn't do either. He was extremely into

25:09

Eve Online and would regularly stay up

25:12

half the night being loud on voice chat

25:14

with his friends while playing. This

25:16

apartment didn't have thin walls and

25:18

there were full closets separating the

25:20

rooms, but I could hear every single

25:22

word said until he shut down to get a

25:24

few hours of sleep before work the next

25:26

day. His general [ __ ] led me to

25:28

further investigate the living situation

25:30

overall a couple of weeks in. He never

25:32

put a shower curtain up in his bathroom,

25:34

so the floor was dirty and spotty from

25:36

pulling water. The bathroom countertop

25:38

that took up a whole wall was covered in

25:41

what I can only assume is ash, bong

25:43

accudant, and other detritus. Random

25:46

[ __ ] was all over the place. His bedroom

25:48

door was left cracked open. So I looked

25:50

inside again. [ __ ] everywhere. trash,

25:54

clothes, bags, and dishes everywhere.

25:57

The [ __ ] walls were smeared with, I

25:59

don't [ __ ] know, come or snut both.

26:01

If this was only a month of damage, I

26:03

couldn't afford to keep this guy

26:05

around."

26:06

Using the damage Thor's cat caused as an

26:09

excuse, Cynthia nudged Thor to move out.

26:12

And as per the screenshot, he did on

26:14

December 26th, meaning Cynthia only

26:16

lasted around 2 months living with Thor.

26:18

But even after he moved out, they would

26:20

still remain co-workers. Quote, "After

26:23

he left the apartment, he continued

26:24

being a shitterter at work. We

26:26

discovered some vulnerabilities on the

26:28

Diablo II real money auction house to

26:30

the tune of several millions of dollars

26:32

from the sales of deep gold and items. I

26:35

want to stress that Thor had no

26:36

involvement in the identification or

26:38

patching of the exploit. This issue had

26:40

two effects. First, Blizzard donated the

26:43

money from the dupe to a charity.

26:45

Second, Thor used this incident to

26:47

seemly secure himself an unofficial

26:49

position as an exploit tester. he was

26:52

still in QA as an analyst."

26:56

Cynthia goes on to state that Thor's

26:58

shenanigans became unclear as going

27:00

forward he was no longer reporting on a

27:03

team relating to hers, but does remember

27:05

that Thor found a client vulnerability

27:07

which led to a more firm role in exploit

27:09

testing. Cynthia also emphasizes Thor

27:12

wildly misrepresenting his time working

27:13

at Blizzard. So eventually I I wrote

27:15

this 13-page document. I brought it to

27:17

Alvatan. I was like, "Hey, you should

27:18

make this team. this is the application

27:21

security team. It's specifically for

27:22

security for Blizzard's websites. And um

27:24

he said, "Thank you for this." I could

27:26

have gotten fired right there. That was

27:27

like a there's like a whole culture of

27:28

like, "Don't break ranks." You know,

27:29

it's like a really dangerous thing, like

27:31

don't do it. It was a very military kind

27:32

of culture. And um two weeks later he

27:34

contacted me in the middle of a task and

27:36

he goes, "Hey, you should really check

27:36

out this job." And I was like, "What are

27:38

you talking about? I I have to do this

27:39

task right now." He's like, "No, you

27:40

should really check this out." And it

27:41

was it was my job, the one that I I

27:43

built the team for.

27:44

>> This is how Thor claims he became the

27:46

lead of application security. But this

27:49

was only a stepping stone

27:50

>> and I was the lead of application

27:51

security for Blizzard. And then we went

27:54

to Defcon because of that. The business

27:56

actually paid for us to go to Defcon

27:57

which is a hacking convention.

27:58

>> Yeah.

27:59

>> And at Defcon 22 I didn't win. I went

28:03

there and I competed in a cryptographic

28:05

challenge and I lost but we learned so

28:08

much.

28:09

>> Defcon 22 took place in 2014. While this

28:12

is a convention for hackers and other

28:14

computer- savvy individuals, it is also

28:16

known for its various challenges,

28:18

panels, [music] and as Thor stated,

28:20

cryptographic puzzles. Essentially,

28:22

complex coded puzzles that have

28:24

participants analyze whatever scan

28:26

information is available to hopefully

28:27

find a solution, which also requires

28:29

participants to avoid the many red

28:31

herrings. Though Thor did not win

28:33

anything in Defcon 22, his team, the

28:36

Council 9, did win the black badge

28:38

challenge for Defcon the following year.

28:40

So, there's a part when we were about

28:43

halfway through the challenge, you put a

28:44

board outside of your room. We thought

28:46

it was part of the challenge and it had

28:48

two coordinates on it. Um, we went to

28:50

one of those coordinates and there was a

28:52

land cable hanging from the ceiling that

28:54

wasn't connected to anything at one end.

28:57

That's all I'm going to say about that.

28:59

[laughter]

29:01

That was footage of him recalling the

29:02

black badge challenge. The coveted black

29:05

badge grants the winners of the

29:06

challenge free admission to future

29:08

conventions under his Twitter account.

29:10

potato sack. Thor would celebrate his

29:12

victory. Quote, "The Wild Derp in his

29:14

natural habitat."

29:16

It was also this year that Thor claims

29:18

he joined Blizzard's red team. As blue

29:20

team in terms of security is the

29:21

defensive team, red team is the one that

29:24

tests the security by approaching it as

29:26

a bad actor would.

29:27

>> I'll tell you some of the stuff that

29:28

I've done as as red team, too. I've um

29:30

3:00 a.m. in the rain jumping over

29:32

spiked fences, you know, putting a rug

29:34

over the spike fence to get over it. Um,

29:36

I've did dumpster diving to go find

29:37

passwords that people have thrown out

29:38

that they shouldn't thrown out in big

29:39

old galashes, you know, big old rubber

29:41

boots. Uh, I've broken in through

29:43

ceilings. I've broken in through

29:45

electronic doors. I've broken in using

29:47

uh While some of Thor's claims do not

29:50

seem entirely realistic, even for the

29:52

scope of Red Team, there is video

29:53

evidence of at least one of his feats.

29:56

In this video, he breaks into a safe.

29:58

Though Thor claims he got into this

30:00

position through merit, his ex-coworker

30:02

provides a different possibility.

30:04

They're just going to let him do what

30:05

he's going to do. And that's exactly

30:07

what I was told. And that's exactly why

30:09

Jason was allowed to form his hacks

30:11

team.

30:12

>> Joey Ray Hall left Blizzard in 2014. One

30:15

could assume that as Thor's father left,

30:17

so would the protection Thor had from

30:19

his presence. Yet, even without it, Thor

30:21

appeared to continue to get favorable

30:23

roles. So, I I actually applied at

30:26

Blizzard to go do what is called the

30:27

side projects and uh side project

30:29

committee. I was the first one that got

30:30

approved and I went and made a tiny

30:32

arcade game. Despite Thor never working

30:34

on developing games, as his job

30:36

descriptions fall under security and

30:37

game testing, and out of well over 2,000

30:40

Blizzard employees, it was Thor that was

30:42

the first to be allowed into the side

30:44

projects committee, a program that

30:46

allowed him to work on personal projects

30:48

outside of work without a conflict of

30:50

interest. On January 31st, 2016, Thor,

30:54

under the username Pirate Software,

30:55

tweeted, quote, "We will release

30:57

official Pirate Software updates here."

30:59

unquote. This account and the Pirate

31:01

Software website were not only made to

31:03

advertise his upcoming food themed game,

31:06

but also his new game studio under the

31:08

name Pirate Software. Thor claims he

31:10

chose the name because it was funny in

31:12

an ironic sense and not because he

31:14

actually encourages the pirating of

31:16

software. Then in February 2016, Thor

31:19

left Blizzard and joined Amazon Game

31:21

Studios as an automation engineer and

31:23

also began focusing on his own company.

31:25

The Pirate Software crew roster,

31:27

excluding Thor, consisted of three

31:28

people, two artists and a composer. This

31:31

leaves Thor with the sole

31:32

responsibilities of programming the

31:34

games. These came down to two projects,

31:36

both of which he worked on through

31:38

Blizzard's side project committee. On

31:40

March 4th, in this Reddit AMA under the

31:42

username Thor Witch, Thor claims he had

31:44

sunk 1100 hours into the development of

31:47

an RPG. Separately, he was also working

31:50

on an arcade shooter. The latter was

31:52

announced as Champions of Breakfast the

31:54

month prior. The former was only hinted

31:56

at through this tweet. The username Thor

31:58

Witch was also used for Thor's YouTube

32:00

channel Thor Witch Plays. Though any

32:02

videos on it now are now unlisted or set

32:04

to private, the name does imply that

32:06

there existed videos of Thor as a let's

32:08

player. Back to the topic at hand, the

32:10

goal was to get Champions of Breakfast

32:12

on Steam through Steam Greenlight. A

32:14

feature meant to fasttrack the approval

32:16

of indie games via the Steam community.

32:18

An issue here was that the game had more

32:20

users voting no they would not buy the

32:22

game if it was available on Steam. Even

32:24

so, on March 11th, the game was able to

32:26

get enough support to be green lit and

32:29

was released into early access on April

32:31

1st with its full release listed as June

32:33

23rd, 2016. Likely to stir up publicity,

32:37

Thor attempted to entice popular let's

32:39

players and let's play groups with

32:40

custom artwork to play his game. This

32:42

included Markiplier, Jack Septic Eye,

32:45

Game Grumps, and Super Beer Bros. Even

32:47

PewDiePie was a target. Though every

32:49

attempt appears to have failed, even

32:51

without their promotion, Champions of

32:53

Breakfast had an overall positive

32:55

reception. Thor as Maldavius was one of

32:57

these positive reviewers. On Metacritic,

33:00

he gave it a 10, the highest possible

33:02

score. As Thor wrapped up Champions of

33:05

Breakfast, work began on a new game, but

33:07

not a new story. Heartbound was

33:09

something Thor had been conceptualizing

33:11

all the way back in high school. Quote,

33:13

"For those of you waiting for Heartbound

33:15

updates, your time is now. This has been

33:17

a project of passion for me over the

33:19

last year and the main reason I chose to

33:21

go indie in the first place." Thor

33:24

sightes Secret of Mana, illusions of

33:26

Gaia, The Mother series, Secret of

33:28

Evermore, Super Mario RPG as his core

33:31

inspirations for the game. The biggest

33:32

is likely Earthbound as it shares part

33:34

of the name. As for the story, quote,

33:37

Laura is the main character of

33:38

Heartbound, a troubled young teen living

33:40

in a world rapidly being overtaken by a

33:42

horrific curse, turning everyone he

33:44

knows into creatures called darksiders.

33:46

These darksiders retain all of the

33:48

memories and ambitions of their host,

33:50

but twisted into a terrible mockery of

33:52

their former selves. To escape the

33:54

growing darkness, lore must travel to

33:56

another world to fight back from there,

33:58

slowly learning the truth and meaning

34:00

behind all this in the process."

34:02

unquote. Though Thor does not say as

34:04

much in this post, main character's

34:05

parents are both based off Thor's real

34:07

parents. Baron is Lur's talking dog.

34:10

Lore, as is the player's motivation

34:12

throughout, is to recover Baron after he

34:14

is left in an uncertain state. In the

34:16

beginning of the game, Baron's highly

34:18

optimistic attitude helps counter Lur's

34:20

pessimistic view of the world. In a way,

34:22

Baron also helps counter the negligence

34:24

of Lur's father and the abuse of his

34:26

mother. Though as lore ventures into

34:29

different worlds not of Earth, lore

34:31

interacts mostly with characters

34:32

unfamiliar with him or the existence of

34:34

Baron. There is a possibility Baron the

34:37

dog is not even real. Perhaps he is the

34:40

hopeful side of lore as he retreats into

34:42

his own world to grapple with the nature

34:44

of the real one. The consequence of

34:46

failure is to be doomed in an unmoving

34:48

depressive nightmare. This is largely

34:50

symbolized in the tower section of the

34:52

game based on a corporate office where

34:54

lore either finds that he through the

34:55

player's choices has become his

34:57

gaslighting mother or that he has

34:59

defeated her influence by not sharing in

35:01

her negative traits. Choice and the

35:03

impact of choice is what Thor aimed to

35:05

flesh out to an unrealistic degree.

35:08

quote, "Every time you interact with an

35:09

object, talk to an NPC, forget to turn

35:12

off a light switch, take out the trash,

35:14

or disregard a sparkly bush, the game

35:16

remembers this and would change subtly

35:18

for all further interactions. The

35:20

greatest part about this design is that

35:22

it already works and is in the current

35:24

builds of the game. Both minor and major

35:26

differences are going to pop up

35:27

throughout the game and give the

35:29

community something to share with one

35:30

another. Everything you do matters, no

35:32

matter what kind of player you are,

35:34

choose to be." unquote. On the bottom of

35:37

the post, Thor provides the current

35:38

plans for release. Quote, "Right now, we

35:41

are planning on releasing a public beta

35:43

before the end of the year along with a

35:45

crowdfunding campaign to help fund the

35:46

game."

35:48

Alongside working at Amazon Game Studios

35:50

and working on Heartbound, Thor also

35:52

attended 2016's DevCon, where for a

35:55

second year in a row, Thor's team, the

35:57

cancelled 9, won that year's black badge

35:59

challenge. That was also true for the

36:02

following year's challenge. Uh, I got

36:03

three in a row. So, Defcon 23, 24, and

36:06

25 hattrick is not like a normal thing

36:08

to get. So, the first one people are

36:10

like, "Wow, like I got one." The second

36:11

one, they're like, "Wait a minute." And

36:12

the third one, while I was at Amazon

36:14

Game Studio, the DOE, you know,

36:16

approached me and they're like, "Hey, do

36:17

you want to go do you want to go hack

36:18

those power plants?" And I was like, "I

36:20

love money." So, like, yes. You know, as

36:22

nice of a story as that is, it's

36:24

detached from reality and even

36:26

contradicts Thor's own LinkedIn that

36:28

shows he started working at Eagle

36:29

Research Group in 2016. This means it

36:32

was before Defcon 25 that took place in

36:35

2017, meaning that when he got his job,

36:37

he only had two black badges.

36:39

Furthermore, Thor did not work for the

36:41

Department of Energy. He worked for a

36:43

company that held a contract with the

36:45

government.

36:45

>> And uh they just fly us out to a site,

36:47

hack the site, write a report, go home,

36:49

right? And I had to wear a suit the

36:50

whole time and they made me cut my hair,

36:52

which was weird.

36:53

>> You hacked in [laughter] a suit? Wait,

36:55

>> suit?

36:56

>> That's very Hollywood, dude.

36:57

>> That is [ __ ] was weird, dude.

36:59

>> That is super weird. I kind of like that

37:01

though that they made you wear a suit.

37:03

[laughter]

37:03

>> That's Yeah, I like I

37:04

>> They made me wear a suit and they lied

37:05

to me too. They They told me They told

37:07

me I had to cut my hair and I was like,

37:08

"Why do I have to cut my hair?" And my

37:09

boss lied to me. He goes, "Oh, cuz

37:10

you'll be around turbines."

37:11

>> Also in 2016 is evidence of his haircut,

37:14

which aligns with the evidence on

37:16

LinkedIn that reinforces that he did

37:18

start working at Eagle Research Group in

37:20

2016. The additions of the lie about the

37:22

government approaching Thor and the lie

37:24

that it took place at Defcon 25 in 2017

37:27

are perceptibly only included to

37:29

arrandise himself, something that would

37:31

become all the more common. Though Eagle

37:34

Research Group undoubtedly did take much

37:36

of his time, Thor was keeping to

37:38

deadlines. Just as he stated, he did

37:40

release a beta version, but more so a

37:42

demo of Heartbound that could be

37:44

downloaded on his website in late 2016.

37:46

This game was green lit even faster than

37:48

Champions of Breakfast and was set to

37:50

release into early access late 2017.

37:53

Then on February 24th, 2017, Heartbound

37:56

hit its Kickstarter with a phenomenally

37:58

low goal of only $5,000.

38:02

This was hit in a little over 24 hours

38:04

after posting. Then in March, after the

38:06

funding period ended, Thor directed his

38:09

patrons to his development streams and

38:11

selected PayPal as a way of post

38:13

Kickstarter funding. There was even this

38:15

interview conducted by the channel Video

38:16

Game News Source.

38:18

>> So, speaking of games, what do you have

38:20

for us today?

38:21

>> So, we have Champions of Breakfast,

38:22

which is a twin stick shooter that we

38:24

made in 24 days from concept to release

38:26

on Steam. Blew up. It was really, really

38:27

awesome. Um, and that that game is

38:30

pretty difficult. So, if you're into

38:31

really hard arcade games, that's the

38:33

kind of thing for you. And the other one

38:34

is Heartbound, which is a more uh

38:37

storydriven RPG. Thor was specifically

38:40

working on two chapters of Heartbound.

38:42

Chapter 2, The Tower, which has a

38:44

distinct red, black, and white color

38:46

palette, and chapter 3, Animus. This

38:48

chapter is set mostly in an autumn

38:50

forest, home to various furries. Planned

38:53

were two additional chapters, making it

38:54

a fivechapter game. This was set to

38:57

release December 2017, not into early

39:00

access, but fully finished. These

39:03

chapters were entirely absent from the

39:05

Heartbound demo as only chapter 1, which

39:07

sets up the main character lore, his

39:09

parents, and his dog was accessible. By

39:11

mid 2017, progress still remained

39:13

steady. Thor claiming he was building a

39:15

new environment in Heartbound every 6 to

39:18

8 hours. Quote, "This one was created

39:20

from scratch and implemented in a single

39:22

day of work." Initially appearing as a

39:25

strategy to include his fans on his

39:27

game's development, Thor announced a

39:28

streaming schedule. He would stream

39:30

Monday, Wednesday, and Friday for 2

39:32

hours at a time. Somehow, he had the

39:34

ability to fit these streams into a

39:36

schedule full of dev work and his

39:37

obligations at Eagle Research Group. By

39:40

late 2017, this was all getting to be

39:43

too much. So, they wanted to increase my

39:46

my hours from 10 weeks of of work a year

39:48

flying around the country to [music] 30

39:50

with the same pay. And I was like, dude,

39:52

I'm not like that's more than half the

39:55

year. I wouldn't be at home. like what's

39:56

the point of even I just live out of

39:57

hotels at that point, right?

40:00

>> So, I quit. I quit and I was like, I'm

40:02

going to take two weeks. Maybe I'll go

40:03

back to Amazon cuz they were offering me

40:05

a position for a lead security position

40:07

to do security for their games. And uh

40:09

it was still open. They they did that

40:10

when I was leaving and it was still open

40:12

there. And I was like, I'm going to

40:13

figure out what I want to do. And two

40:14

days later, Jack Septic Guy played our

40:16

game Heartbound. And the community just

40:17

blew up. And I was like, WELL,

40:20

YOU LADIES, MY NAME IS Accept Guy, and

40:21

welcome to a game called Heartbound,

40:23

which I think is supposed to be a mix

40:25

kind of of Undertale and kind [music] of

40:27

Earthboundy or at least emulating their

40:30

styles in that type of game. A large

40:31

let's player had finally played

40:33

Heartbound. Jack Septic Eye was one of

40:35

the many that Thor tried to go into

40:37

playing his game. And though he only

40:38

touched on the demo that was limited to

40:40

chapter 1, Jack Septic Eye loved the

40:42

direction, expressing as much when he

40:44

finished the demo.

40:45

>> OH, [screaming] THAT WAS COOL.

40:49

OH, THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY GOOD. I

40:50

didn't expect something like that from

40:52

this. I didn't think it would be that

40:54

good, but I really, really like it. I

40:56

can't wait to see more of this. Oh, I'm

40:59

glad I played this now. That was that

41:00

was really, really good. Jack Septic's

41:02

video, among many things, impacted Thor,

41:04

and to that extent, Heartbound in two

41:06

major ways. First, it directed over a

41:09

million eyes to the project. Second, it

41:11

added pressure, something Thor was

41:14

having to contend with. By December,

41:16

Thor had updated the launch date. Quote,

41:18

"We are hoping to fully finish and

41:19

release Heartbound by early to mid 2018.

41:22

Originally, we wanted to finish and

41:24

release the game by December 2017." I

41:27

have said many times that Heartbound

41:28

will never have a sequel. Taking this

41:30

extra time ensures I can keep that

41:32

promise because there is so much more

41:34

story now than there was originally.

41:36

Heartbound is very important to all of

41:38

us at Pirate Software, and we want to

41:40

make it the best it can be for all of

41:42

you." unquote. February 2018 came and

41:45

the launch date was pushed back yet

41:46

again. Now from mid 2018 to just 2018,

41:51

implying a late year release date. Now

41:53

late 2018, the type of launch changed.

41:56

Though it was previously meant to launch

41:58

in a complete state, it was now to

42:00

launch on Steam into early access in

42:02

December. This commitment was kept.

42:04

Heartbound released into early access on

42:06

Christmas Day 2018. This version came

42:09

with the addition of chapter 2, The

42:11

Tower, and sat at 95% positive ratings.

42:14

About 2 weeks after release in January

42:16

2019, Thor stated, quote, "Aaround 6 to

42:19

7 months ago, Thor was able to quit his

42:21

day job and start working on this

42:23

full-time, so things have gone super

42:25

quickly since then. Animus is next."

42:28

Being that Thor made some visible

42:30

progress on Animus and that he quit his

42:32

job, this new chapter could be expected

42:34

soon. There was however a small issue

42:37

with this tweet. Thor did not quit his

42:39

job six or seven months ago. He quit his

42:42

job as per his LinkedIn well over a year

42:44

ago as lined up with Jack Septic Eye

42:46

playing his game in November 2017. A

42:49

strange thing to get incorrect but also

42:52

inconsequential. Inconsequential like

42:54

creator MadPat of Game Theory's coverage

42:56

of Heartbound. We have successfully gone

42:58

through one and a half days here in 2019

43:02

without any major catastrophes, any like

43:05

major blowups on Twitter, anything.

43:07

Knock on wood, ladies and gentlemen.

43:08

>> No disasters.

43:09

>> We are nearly 2 days in a kind of

43:12

release, but it's not fully released,

43:14

but it's kind of released of a game that

43:16

we were uh you know, keeping tabs on

43:18

kind of in the background. Um I don't

43:20

know if you remember it. It's called

43:21

Heartbound. It was kind of one of those

43:23

ones that came out in the aftermath of

43:25

Undertale. uh but goes in a very

43:27

different direction with it. Uh it's

43:29

it's kind of got that earthboundy mother

43:32

series feel to it, that Undertale feel

43:34

to it.

43:34

>> Thor watched this live. The stream and

43:37

VA title was originally GT live. The

43:40

next Undertale game is here.

43:41

>> Stream and says for everyone watching GT

43:43

live, you can find our game Harpound

43:44

[music] here and has their link. So they

43:46

are pirate software on Twitter.

43:48

>> There you go. Pirate Software, there you

43:50

be the pirates. So you can play it

43:53

yourself and make your own choices and

43:55

see if it affects the ending.

43:56

>> Creator Jack Septic Eye also pointed to

43:58

Undertale as a comparison to Heartbound.

44:00

>> Welcome to a game called Heartbound,

44:03

which I think is supposed to be a mix

44:04

kind of of Undertale.

44:06

>> While Jack's Septtery's video inspired

44:08

Thor, game theories angered him. Quote,

44:10

"I'm pretty disappointed here, and so is

44:12

our community. Your recent # GT live

44:15

came across as an Undertale clickbait

44:17

mashup instead of being about #artbound.

44:20

you never linked to our game and you got

44:22

our studio name wrong as well." Thor in

44:25

his tweet attached two images. The first

44:27

is of a notepad that includes the title,

44:30

the description, public hashtags, and

44:32

the hidden YouTube tags found in Madat's

44:34

[music] video. Here, Thor, for a second

44:36

time, states that there were no links to

44:38

Artbound. The description of the video

44:40

is the second image, likely included to

44:42

provide evidence for Thor's claims. But

44:44

again, Jack Septic Eye also used

44:46

Undertale as a point of reference, which

44:48

was inspired by the 1995 RPG Earthbound.

44:51

With similar inspirations, the games do

44:54

share similarities, which neither

44:55

channel expressed maliciously, as

44:57

Undertale is highly regarded. One

44:59

noticeable difference between Game

45:01

Theories and Jack Septic commentary is

45:03

that Game Theory played a newer version

45:05

that included chapter 2, The Tower. A

45:08

much slower, puzzle-filled, overall less

45:10

guided chapter. large swamps of it will

45:12

have players wander the environment with

45:14

little direction. Game theory in

45:16

particular mocked the gameplay in this

45:18

chapter that while much of the gameplay

45:20

was symbolic, it was detrimental to the

45:22

game's pacing and hammered across themes

45:24

that were already well understood.

45:26

>> Moved on with the game play. How dare

45:30

you not love your dog enough to slog

45:34

through Dark Maze gameplay

45:38

for how riveting it is.

45:43

[laughter]

45:44

>> Chris,

45:45

>> thanks Chris. You're the best.

45:47

>> Thanks, buddy. A book with an eyeball.

45:51

>> What a weird game.

45:54

[laughter]

45:55

>> Mommy, no.

45:58

Don't lock me in. READING IS

46:01

FUNDAMENTAL.

46:03

>> EVEN with these comments, the coverage

46:05

was overall positive. Yet, that did not

46:07

stop Thor's tweets from gaining

46:08

traction. This is when creator The Gamer

46:11

for Mars covered this among some other

46:12

strange comments MattPad had made in the

46:14

past like this one.

46:15

>> I've actually never looked at porn

46:19

ever. Like,

46:20

>> further in the video, Thor's tweets and

46:22

outrage around it is covered. creator of

46:24

the game wasn't too pleased with this

46:26

stream, calling it out for a clickbait

46:28

title that compared his game to

46:29

Undertale, getting a name wrong, not

46:32

giving what he felt was sufficient

46:33

promotion, and a supposed misleading

46:36

video tag. Needless to say, this

46:38

criticism took off. So, was this

46:40

reaction justified? Well, in short, no.

46:44

MattPat, in response to the outrage,

46:46

stated he doesn't review the thumbnail,

46:48

tags, description, etc. his employees

46:51

do, but even so, he takes responsibility

46:53

for their decisions. Even with that, he

46:55

explains that the clickbait nature of

46:56

some of the videos serve to both get the

46:58

video to a wider audience and the small

47:00

games he covers to that same audience.

47:03

Furthermore, Matt Pack clarifies that

47:05

Thor's game is great. Regarding the

47:07

issue of linking directly to the game in

47:09

the description, he states it's not

47:11

something that game theory does. This is

47:13

when Toby Fox, the creator of Undertale,

47:15

commented, quote, "You should link to

47:18

any game you play. creators need all the

47:20

help they can get and think carefully if

47:22

you're misleading your audience with how

47:24

you present your videos. You went too

47:26

far this time." Thor at a later date

47:29

would claim that Toby Fox's tweet

47:30

immediately stopped threats and doxings

47:33

that were allegedly coming from Game

47:34

Theory's community. Thor claims that the

47:37

harassment was so bad that he nearly

47:39

cancelled his game. Eventually, MattPat

47:41

succumbed to the pressure and added a

47:43

link to Heartbound in the video's

47:44

description. a smarter move at the time

47:47

because of who Thor had the potential to

47:49

become. Developers such as Toby Fox and

47:52

Scott Cawan are famously known for the

47:54

success of their indie games and are

47:55

looked upon with admiration as their

47:57

games are a large extension of

47:59

themselves. Large studios because of all

48:01

the names attached to projects are

48:02

rarely known for their individual

48:04

developers. On the flip side, there are

48:06

indie developers who are praised for

48:08

their unique or beloved games only for

48:10

them to destroy their reputation. So

48:12

much so that it even erodess interest in

48:14

their game. This is the exact case of

48:16

the Yandere dev who was previously

48:18

covered on this channel. This is why

48:20

reputation is highly important as an

48:23

indie developer, especially for those

48:25

that made the choice to become public

48:26

figures like Thor was doing. Every one

48:29

of these purple squares represents a day

48:31

that Thor streamed in 2019. The opacity

48:34

is dependent on how long he streamed,

48:36

meaning the darker the purple, the more

48:38

hours he streamed that day. On average,

48:40

Thor streamed 5 to 10 hours under

48:42

science and technology and also the art

48:45

category. Thor, as he claims, was

48:47

streaming himself developing Heartbound.

48:49

This interview conducted by

48:50

gamedeveloper.com reads, quote, "The

48:53

next step was proving to everyone who

48:55

invested in our game that we are not

48:56

going to run away with their money

48:58

because that's a big problem for

49:00

Kickstarter games. People go and throw

49:02

money at a Kickstarter, then the devs

49:04

will disappear for 2 years, then come

49:07

back and make something that wasn't up

49:08

to par compared to what they promised in

49:10

the Kickstarter. So, we thought, what if

49:13

we streamed at all? Full open

49:15

development. They could see every single

49:17

thing that we ever do, and no one could

49:19

say the devs ran away with the money."

49:22

Thor did not exclusively stream

49:24

heartbound development. This is a stream

49:26

circum made 2019 of him building a

49:28

chair. back on this chair now, but I

49:31

don't know how cuz I threw the

49:33

instructions.

49:34

>> Presumably the same month, he also

49:36

streamed himself playing The Division 2

49:38

as his 26-second highlight video was

49:40

also uploaded in May.

49:42

>> It means the world to me, and I'm just

49:45

going to say I'll always be here [music]

49:47

throwing bits and supporting you.

49:49

>> While the commentary is not of note,

49:51

Thor's deeper voice was, or at least it

49:54

would be as part of a strange footnote

49:56

in his undoing. For now, the goal was

49:58

Animus. Chapter 1 was made while working

50:01

at Blizzard and Amazon Game Studios.

50:03

Chapter 2 took two years, though half

50:05

the time Thor had a job keeping him from

50:07

dedicated development of debilitating

50:10

illness in the last 3 months. Here, Thor

50:12

also calls it a cold. Thor continued to

50:14

tweet about this illness until March

50:16

16th where he stated he had been feeling

50:18

better, but by the 17th he was feeling

50:20

far worse. He claims he was diagnosed

50:22

with pneumonia and was given a COVID

50:24

test which he was waiting for the

50:25

results of. 4 days later, he stated that

50:27

he tested negative for COVID and only

50:29

had pneumonia. With his illness

50:31

diagnosed, he would no doubt begin

50:33

receiving proper treatment and improve.

50:35

Except on the 23rd, Thor now tweeted

50:37

that he was misdiagnosed. It was not

50:39

COVID or pneumonia. Instead, it was

50:41

bronchitis. A week from that tweet, on

50:43

the 30th, Thor now marks this as day 30

50:46

of his illness and reminds his audience

50:47

that he tested negative for COVID. Then

50:50

in April, he tweeted that he was getting

50:51

better, then worse. Then on the 10th,

50:53

finally, the cold was defeated. Thor

50:56

went as far to say quote unquote this

50:58

time for good. The following month, Thor

51:00

on Steam released an update to address

51:02

the lack of them. Quote, "Rason for

51:03

delay. Animus was set to be released by

51:05

now. For the last several months, I've

51:07

been in and out of hospital with severe

51:10

viral bronchitis. Lost around 70% lung

51:12

function at one point and went to

51:14

hypoxia and almost bit the big one.

51:16

Thankfully, with treatment, I've been

51:18

doing much better. I ended up losing

51:19

around 2.5 months of work and the stream

51:22

was offline for over a month total. this

51:24

is the most amount of work I've missed

51:26

in 3 years, so it's been pretty rough."

51:29

Below, Thor post an image of his stream

51:31

frequency, noting how much he had not

51:33

streamed in April and May due to his

51:35

illness. Finally, in July, Heartbound

51:37

was updated, but only with a small

51:39

portion of Animus added, quote, "You can

51:41

now play through some of Fern and wrote

51:42

story line in EN us only." 4 months

51:46

later, now in November, Thor tweets,

51:48

quote, after nearly 8 months of

51:50

recovery, my lungs are well enough to

51:51

steam and work on a daily basis again.

51:54

Thank you for all of the support and

51:55

good vibes to get me back here." It is

51:57

now the 1st of January 2021. Animus has

52:00

not been delivered and is now a year

52:02

delayed, but Thor in this tweet

52:04

reassures his audience that it is

52:06

coming. Quote, "#heartbound is the main

52:08

priority. Animus will absolutely be done

52:11

soon. Now that I'm no longer recovering

52:12

from CO, things will go much faster.

52:15

We're also working on a commission game

52:16

on the side. That should be fun." Now,

52:19

Thor claims he had had CO. It went from

52:21

a cold to pneumonia to bronchitis to

52:24

testing negative from COVID to now

52:26

rewriting it all as COVID. Users were

52:28

none too pleased with the lack of

52:30

development. Ko on Twitter tweeted,

52:31

quote, "Don't get your hopes up."

52:33

According to interviews, Act 3 is in

52:35

development since over 1 and a half

52:37

years, and the game is supposed to have

52:38

five acts. Also, sorry, PS. I love the

52:41

game, but I am fed up with being

52:42

played." Thor responds stating again

52:45

that he had COVID and rewrites the

52:47

recovery period from 8 months to roughly

52:49

9 months. and he also states he needs to

52:51

use an inhaler for the rest of his life.

52:53

Thor adds that the state of his lungs

52:55

have improved and that he can at least

52:57

work again. Now, September 2021, Thor

52:59

teases at Animus and reassures a

53:02

commenter that it is nearly here. But

53:04

these excuses were no longer

53:05

satisfactory. On Twitter, a Portuguese

53:08

fan tweeted that chapter 2 of Delta Rune

53:10

had already come out, yet there is still

53:11

no new content for Heartbound. Thor

53:13

contests this by stating he streams his

53:15

development every day and that Animus is

53:17

92% finished. This would seem impressive

53:20

until one compares it to the last

53:22

miracle update on progress which

53:24

happened in October 19th, 2019 at 86%.

53:28

This means by Thor's own metric, he had

53:30

only developed 6% of a single chapter in

53:33

almost 2 years. What's more, Thor had

53:35

redconed the window he had been sick

53:37

where it had previously jumped from 8

53:38

months to roughly 9. In September of

53:40

2021, he now states, quote, I caught CO

53:43

in early 2020 and lost nearly a year of

53:46

development time in recovery. Thankfully

53:48

not dead, but mad that I lost so much

53:50

time." On the topic of lost time, Thor

53:53

in the middle of 2021 ran for a seat on

53:55

the Council of Stellar Management in the

53:57

video game Eve Online, a position where

53:59

the council members act as a

54:01

representative of the player base to

54:03

deliver ideas and requests to the game's

54:05

developers. Eve Online is an MMO that as

54:08

per any of the genre consumes a vast

54:10

amount of players time. But not only was

54:11

Thor playing Eve and running for the

54:13

council, he was also a leader of his own

54:15

corporation known as Drybog Clay. This

54:18

could explain the absence of steady

54:19

updates. It would be several months

54:21

until Thor provided information on

54:23

Animus. As now patterned in 2022, he was

54:26

delivering not Animus, but more bad news

54:28

now regarding his partner Sheay. Sheay

54:30

does all of the art and animation for

54:32

the entire studio. Anytime you see uh

54:34

messages [music] on Twitter with art on

54:36

it, anytime you see any of the art in

54:37

the video game, anytime you see any of

54:39

our merchandise, any of that stuff, it's

54:41

all made by Sheay. Sheay hurt his back

54:44

badly. He's been going back and forth to

54:46

the doctor. He's not allowed to lift

54:47

anything. He's not allowed to like move

54:49

around or anything like that. He has to

54:50

walk around with a cane. And I've just

54:52

been taking care of him the whole time.

54:53

So, I have to take care of all the pets.

54:55

I have to take care of everything in the

54:56

house. Shay can't lift anything. He

54:58

can't do anything on his own. So,

55:00

because of that, most of my time has

55:02

been spent on that. It's why I haven't

55:03

streamed very often this month. It's

55:04

been about half the days of the month I

55:07

haven't streamed that I normally would.

55:08

It's just because of this. So, don't

55:10

worry. I haven't quit working on the

55:12

game. I'm not dead. Like, everything is

55:14

it's okay. But, we're trying to find out

55:17

what's wrong with Shay to get him

55:18

repaired like a robot, right?

55:19

>> Two months later, Thor published another

55:21

video containing hope that Animus was

55:23

nearly here and an excuse that would all

55:25

but guarantee its delay.

55:27

>> All of the stuff for Avocados finished.

55:28

All the stuff for [music] um the misery

55:31

and mania middle story area is finished

55:34

and most of the stuff for the mossbacks

55:36

are finished. So that is the end of

55:38

Animus. Basically all of that is

55:40

finished. Animus [music] just has the

55:42

final scene and we're finished with it

55:44

and it's done and we can move on to

55:45

Yotenheim which is about Vikings and

55:48

combat and and you know conflict

55:50

resolution and all that cool stuff. And

55:52

that's the end of the primary chapters

55:55

in Harpout. And then it's just the end

55:57

of the game. That's it. We're basically

56:01

we're basically at the end here. It's

56:03

finally happening. My doctor has

56:04

diagnosed me now with what's called

56:06

trigeminal neuralgia. There's a nerve

56:08

that goes like this on your face. It's a

56:10

trigeminal nerve. Threeprong try, right?

56:13

And it comes out of your brain stem,

56:14

goes to about here. It is like you have

56:16

worms in your bones that are made out of

56:19

fire. It is the most devastating pain I

56:22

have ever felt in my entire life. Thor

56:24

also discusses the failing health of his

56:26

cat and the time needed to monitor it.

56:28

But that's it. That's really it. It's

56:30

just taking care of my cat and [music]

56:33

um I'm just I'm amazed she's still

56:36

alive. So if you're upset this stuff

56:39

hasn't come out, if you're upset that I

56:40

haven't made these videos, I understand.

56:42

[music] Sorry. But uh to not mince

56:45

worries about it, this is the worst two

56:47

months I think I've ever had in my life.

56:50

and it's it's not going to stop me from

56:53

making this game.

56:54

>> Since its initial deadline, Animus has

56:56

been delayed two years and about 5

56:58

months. Thor, in comparison, sped

57:00

through the first two chapters. So, why

57:02

is this one so different? Thor attempts

57:04

to answer this also in his update video.

57:06

An Animus took so long to build because

57:10

it is the most complicated chapter in

57:12

Hearth. Most of the rooms in Animus take

57:14

between 15 and 40 uh kind of, you know,

57:18

timelines that can go through them.

57:19

there different routes through all of

57:20

those different sections because human

57:22

interaction is so complex. It's not just

57:24

about yes or no to someone. It's about

57:26

yes or no and also how did you treat

57:28

them before? How did you treat them

57:29

before that? And if you're mad that it

57:32

took a long time, well, I'm sorry. And

57:34

for me, I'm just going to make it as

57:36

realistic and interesting in terms of

57:38

character interaction as I possibly can.

57:40

>> Animus, at least the segment of it that

57:42

exists in the game, has the largest

57:44

number of distinct characters of the

57:46

three chapters. A core tenant of

57:47

Heartbound since the game's inception is

57:50

player choice.

57:50

>> So Heartbound is a game that is about

57:52

player choice. And let me let me be

57:55

clear about this. You've probably heard

57:56

that before, right? You've heard about a

57:58

game that's of player choice and it

58:00

always ends up being some kind of

58:01

narrative route that's sort of dog [ __ ]

58:03

right? It ends up being something that

58:05

looks like this

58:08

where the the route doesn't actually

58:09

matter. The beginning and the ending is

58:11

exactly the same. You may have like one

58:13

line of dialogue that's different, but

58:14

it ends up not mattering in the end. you

58:16

always get the same ending and it sort

58:18

of doesn't matter at all. Let me show

58:19

you what hardbound does. Understand this

58:22

is just three rooms.

58:26

These are all the interactions and how

58:27

they play into each other in those

58:28

rooms.

58:30

There are thousands of routes in

58:31

Harbound. There are thousands of routes

58:34

in Harbound. Everything you do in the

58:36

game matters and they're all distinct

58:38

from each other. There's a ton of

58:40

interactions that you will never see.

58:41

Anything you ever see me working on on

58:43

stream, it won't matter. People will say

58:46

spoilers in the chat, but there are many

58:48

routes in there that no one's ever

58:50

found. There are rooms that no one has

58:52

ever seen.

58:53

>> Thor had always desired to make

58:54

individual choices and exploration echo

58:56

louder than potentially any other game,

58:59

like he tried to do with chapter 1. For

59:00

example, whenever you feed your dog

59:02

baron garbage or dog food, it largely

59:04

helps determine the moral representation

59:06

of the main character later on. This

59:08

makes sense as the game's themes deal

59:10

with morality and choosing to be either

59:12

helpful or detrimental to others, which

59:15

ties into Lur's relationship with his

59:16

parents. Animus so far does have these

59:19

moral choices, but rather than having

59:21

them tie back to the story of lore or

59:22

the relationship with his parents or

59:24

even his dog, they are mostly done to

59:26

expand the stories of secondary

59:27

characters or just to explore the

59:29

morality of the player's choice.

59:30

Furthermore, though Thor toes the

59:32

expansiveness of branching past and

59:34

happenings, there are many choices that

59:36

end up being either detrimental to

59:38

gameplay or entirely meaningless. I have

59:40

always loved the idea of a choose your

59:42

own adventure comic book, choose your

59:44

own adventure video game, and I have

59:45

made butterfly effect the game. Every

59:47

environment in the entire game has

59:49

usually dozens to hundreds of routes,

59:51

all of them. In fact, one of the really

59:53

easy ways to check something that you've

59:54

done or not is in the very beginning of

59:56

the game, your bedroom. You can actually

59:58

leave the bedroom without ever putting

60:00

on your sweater. And all of the

60:01

animations for the rest of the entire

60:03

game change, and the ways that

60:05

characters interact with you and address

60:08

you is different because you're not

60:10

wearing your sweater. And your health is

60:12

cut in half for the rest of the game.

60:14

And even as tiny things, a little small

60:17

example, if you go and meet one of the

60:18

characters while wearing your pajamas,

60:20

which is Shelly, then save outside of

60:22

her house, then put on your sweater

60:25

after doing the save, then go back in

60:27

and meet her inside of her house with

60:28

your sweater on, now she comments on it

60:30

because 2 seconds ago you weren't

60:31

wearing a sweater, and she doesn't

60:32

understand. Not only does this

60:34

deceptively consequential decision make

60:36

encounters twice as hard, Thor finds it

60:38

important enough to have a secondary

60:40

character comment on it if you decide to

60:42

put the sweater on later in game in a

60:44

very specific spot. In attempting to

60:46

circumvent meaningless choice, he has

60:48

only created them. At one point in

60:50

development, quote, "Prior to patch

60:52

1.0.8b,

60:53

but now patch 1.03b, 03B. The Yotenheim

60:56

paths were determined by if the stove in

60:58

Lur's house is turned on. The

61:00

multipleheim path would be activated if

61:02

you turn the stove on. The Nephilheim

61:04

path would be activated if you left the

61:05

stove off. [music] The determinant on

61:08

which chapter the player could visit and

61:10

to that extent would be barred from

61:11

visiting was choosing to turn an

61:13

appliance on or leave it off. A decision

61:15

that the game would even fail to

61:16

highlight the importance of.

61:18

>> I like this. They're they're like Shaggy

61:20

and Scooby. Turn on the stove.

61:25

Great. Now it's a fire hazard.

61:27

>> What determines this path now is a value

61:29

known as curiosity. On Reddit, a user

61:32

expands on these values and emphasizes

61:34

that these are only known because Thor

61:36

talks about them. Quote, "Fear and

61:37

curiosity are two hidden variables, both

61:40

of which we only know because of the

61:41

live streams. Curiosity is how many

61:44

things you interact with. High curiosity

61:46

will make Yodenheim act four rightmost

61:48

portal be Mosheim lava while low

61:50

curiosity will make Yodenheim be Nlheim

61:52

ice fear is quote unquote evil nest

61:55

increasing when you feed Baron the

61:57

garbage throw away the Viking feast

61:59

steel binder's apple etc there are many

62:01

ways to decrease fear but the only one I

62:04

know about is taking the dog figurine

62:05

there are probably more hidden variables

62:07

we didn't know about yet but I'm sure

62:08

once the game is released we'll start

62:10

learning about them from the data miners

62:12

though Thor emphasizes the importance of

62:15

individual choice. He has still used

62:17

simplified systems to calculate outcomes

62:19

such as with the karma system found in

62:21

Fallout 3 that places decisions as

62:23

either good or bad. It is this desire of

62:25

complexity that Thor claims is delaying

62:27

his game. What was meant to only be an

62:30

element of Heartbound was now

62:31

overshadowing everything else. What drew

62:33

Praise from Jack Septic Eye was not the

62:35

choice in the demo. It was the tonal

62:37

themes and mystery of what happened to

62:38

Baron or what Baron even represents. It

62:41

was what Heartbound used to be when Thor

62:43

initially conceptualized it as a comic.

62:45

Not only is the novelty of choice

62:46

delaying the game far beyond when it was

62:48

meant to release, it is assuring that

62:50

the game's community lacks in shared

62:52

experiences and diminishes the game's

62:53

ability to tell a crafted story as it

62:55

hands that off to a reflection of an

62:57

endless list of choices that often have

63:00

imperceivable weight and that is

63:02

heartbound and to that extent Thor's

63:04

core issue. He aims to make a game

63:06

praised for its novelty, for its

63:08

branching paths and roots resembling a

63:10

puzzle rather than a story. While Thor's

63:12

motivation for this change in focus is

63:14

unclear, it could all be tied back to

63:16

one of his inspirations. Not an

63:18

inspiration listed on his initial post

63:19

about the concept of Heartpound, rather

63:21

an inspiration that he has shown himself

63:23

to despise being compared to. Can you

63:25

pinpoint where along your journey

63:27

growing up that you decided that you

63:29

wanted to pursue gaming professionally

63:31

or game development professionally or

63:33

did it just sort of happen that way?

63:35

>> So like I always kind of wanted to do

63:37

that. I was always like man one day I'm

63:39

going to do that I'm working in AAA one

63:41

day I'm going to go you know leave AAA

63:42

and do this and then it was it was funny

63:44

because Undertale came out and I was

63:46

like what the hell am I waiting for?

63:48

Right? Like if if if somebody can go

63:50

make something like this and they can do

63:52

it where there's there's flaws in it,

63:54

there's like art flaws, there's like

63:55

storyline, there's little pieces that

63:57

are, you know, it's an indie, right? And

63:59

you see that you're like, well, why am I

64:01

not doing this? This is all possibly

64:03

tied back to Undertale. Before the large

64:05

scale comparisons of Heartbound to

64:06

Undertale, Thor was working at a much

64:08

faster rate. It took him nearly 2 years

64:11

to release two chapters into early

64:12

access. Now he has been stuck on a

64:14

single chapter for nearly 3 years. a

64:16

chapter that he was working on when Matt

64:18

Patad covered his game and compared it

64:20

to Undertale, which infuriated Thor.

64:22

This possible ambition to set Heartbound

64:24

apart from even Undertale, a highly

64:26

praised game, could be fueling continued

64:27

delays and to that extent, frustration

64:29

from a lack of progress from both Thor

64:31

and his supporters. The more Thor

64:33

promises, the higher potential to

64:35

underdel. So, Heartbound is the most

64:38

anticipated

64:40

of 2022 for the GameMaker Awards, which

64:43

is freaking rad. [music] You guys are

64:45

awesome. Um, next thing up for me is to

64:47

go and release the rest of the Mossback

64:49

storyline and then finish Animus off.

64:51

And I am going to have that done

64:53

probably in the next month or two unless

64:56

something horrible happens.

65:01

Gadget Gadget passed away. I've taken

65:03

the last like week and a half off and um

65:07

just kind of dealing with it. You know,

65:09

I had her for 18 years. So, it's a long

65:12

time. Thor's cat had passed away and

65:14

Thor was taking time to mourn. By

65:16

October, he announces back and ready to

65:18

work to finish Animus. And when this

65:19

stuff gets translated right there, just

65:21

these kind of little blips here, um, the

65:25

next patch goes out, then I do this

65:27

stuff, and then the chapter's done.

65:30

That's it. That's the end of Animus.

65:32

>> Two more months passed without Animus.

65:34

On Twitter, Thor again hints at the

65:36

release of the chapter, this time giving

65:38

a visual representation on how much is

65:40

left to finish. There are only three

65:41

scenes requiring programming and three

65:43

other scenes where programming is half

65:45

finished. In a video released this same

65:47

month, Thor again sets a deadline. So

65:49

2023 is the year, man. That's that's how

65:51

I feel right now. It it seems extremely

65:54

likely, like very very high likelihood

65:55

that we will get all this done in this

65:57

next year, [music] which is crazy and it

66:00

feels weird, but we're there, man.

66:02

>> This deadline was missed. Thor explains

66:04

that he found too many bugs which stole

66:06

his attention.

66:07

>> As you can see here, let's pull this

66:09

over. A lot of this patch was bug fixes.

66:11

Massive amount. I needed to set up the

66:14

stage for me to release content [music]

66:16

faster. So, the last two to three months

66:19

have been me just fixing things. Earlier

66:21

in this video, Thor showed his visual

66:23

content tracker. Comparing this to the

66:25

tweet of the same tracker 2 months ago

66:27

shows that he added four new incomplete

66:29

scenes between Picnic and Lost. Below

66:31

Vapor Cave are also four other

66:33

incomplete scenes. Animus has now been

66:35

delayed 3 years since its initial

66:37

deadline. If it was not clear that

66:39

finishing this game was not his

66:40

priority, the statements made in this

66:42

video and the ones following it would

66:44

demonstrate as much. I have another cool

66:46

announcement. In the background,

66:48

secretly for a very long period of time,

66:50

not really secretly, but people inside

66:52

of the Discord know about this, we've

66:54

been working on a custom Minecraft

66:55

server. It's called block game because

66:58

it's funny to call it block game, but

67:00

basically this is an MMO and we have

67:05

hundreds of craftable items, hundreds of

67:07

custom monsters, uh, dungeons,

67:10

like all kinds of stuff, different

67:12

worlds, all kinds of stuff that's in

67:13

there, and we've been having a lot of

67:14

fun playing it.

67:15

>> Besides attempting to create a literal

67:17

MMO in Minecraft, Thor in April 2023

67:20

announces another time-consuming, albeit

67:23

far better received initiative.

67:24

>> It's twitch.tv/ TV/ ferretsoftware. So,

67:27

I managed to get ferret software and the

67:29

main channel is/pirate software, which

67:31

is pretty good, but it's a 24/7 animal

67:33

cam. You can go and watch them anytime.

67:35

And that's it. That's it. You can just

67:36

go see the ferrets. This was the start

67:39

of what would blossom as an animal

67:40

rescue for ferrets. While these in

67:42

themselves could be a better excuse for

67:44

update delays, Thor will pull out his

67:46

oldest excuse to not work on hardbound.

67:49

Quote, "Positive for COVID, system

67:50

offline for a bit. Body aches, fever,

67:53

and sludge everywhere. 103.2. Two,

67:55

fever. Heading to the ER. Back home,

67:57

fever gone. I no longer have a sense of

67:59

taste or smell.

68:01

>> The lungus is gone. Still my sense of

68:02

smell. So, I never lost my sense of

68:04

smell. You know what I lost that was

68:05

really weird? And it was caused by the

68:06

happy hypoxia. I lost the temperature

68:09

feeling of hot and cold.

68:10

>> With this bout of illness, rather than

68:12

extend the recovery period to a year, it

68:14

was less than a month.

68:15

>> Kind of a short one. I'm sorry I didn't

68:17

get more stuff done, but that was that

68:20

was a hell of a thing. That's the second

68:21

time I've gotten CO. The first time took

68:22

nine months to recover. This one took

68:24

probably about I think it was in total

68:26

about 20 days.

68:27

>> With Thor's recounting of his recent

68:28

illness and the one that took place 3

68:30

years prior, we can now piece it all

68:32

together to show the absurd picture he

68:34

has created. Initially in 2020, he got

68:37

sick. It was pneumonia and not COVID

68:39

because he tested negative for it. Then

68:41

bronchitis, then a cold, then CO. While

68:43

these in themselves were two different

68:45

instances of Thor being sick in 2020, he

68:48

wrapped them together and stated they

68:49

caused a 2.5month delay where he stated

68:52

he was doing much better. He somehow

68:54

extended this to 8 months of illness,

68:56

then to 9, then to a year, then back

68:58

down to 9 months of illness. In 2023, in

69:01

this new case, he states he had CO for

69:03

20 days. Assuming Thor was entirely

69:06

truthful, that would be 9 months and 20

69:08

days lost to CO. However, Thor

69:10

inarguably lies when he states he lost

69:12

more than double this time to co.

69:14

>> It's taken me about the last 7 years

69:16

minus 2 years cuz I had co almost bit it

69:19

on that which sucked but uh so it's been

69:21

about 5 years of dev time.

69:22

>> It gets worse. Thor at some point added

69:25

another 6 months to the amount of dev

69:27

time lost.

69:28

>> How long you been working on this game?

69:29

Was the co coding a solo job? Yeah. Uh

69:31

nobody else has touched the codebase for

69:32

Heartbound ever except for me. It's just

69:34

me. I've been working on it for about 7

69:35

years but I lost two and a half years to

69:37

co. It is a monumental kind of effort

69:39

for this. How did it affect me? Well, my

69:42

recovery was about 2 and 1/2 years. So,

69:43

I got longco. I can actually show you

69:45

this in data. It's kind of wild. I'm go

69:47

to streams. Um, I used to stream 7 days

69:49

a week back in the day. And right here

69:51

is where I went to dream hack in January

69:53

2020 and I got co and you can see what

69:55

happened to my stream schedule. There

69:56

were like months where I just streamed

69:57

like 3 days. You can actually watch it

69:59

happen and then like I finally recovered

70:01

and I was able to start doing stuff

70:02

again and then like we fixed the fungus

70:04

problem and then I was able to do stuff

70:05

again and everything was cool. And I've

70:07

been able to do it ever since and I've

70:08

gone back to being able to stream. Yep.

70:09

It's like you can see my recovery and

70:12

data. Yeah. So like anybody that's like

70:13

it's not real or anything. It is

70:15

important to recall that Thor claims he

70:17

could not work efficiently during this

70:18

time. But he could develop a fair

70:20

rescue, develop a Minecraft MMO server

70:23

and sink countless hours into Eve

70:25

Online. Yet Thor kept this facade going.

70:28

He continued to desire to appear as an

70:30

active developer. In late 2023, Thor

70:32

sets and misses what is his third

70:34

deadline for the release of Animus. Once

70:36

more, he gives a deadline for the

70:38

release of all of Heartbound.

70:39

>> And then um after that, uh Hall of

70:43

Heartbound out by 2024. In December

70:45

2023, after exhausting his previous

70:48

excuses for delays, he has deployed a

70:50

new one. Quote, "I wanted to get a

70:51

content patch out this month, but the

70:53

community has increased over 50 times

70:56

due to an explosion of our YouTube

70:57

content. This took a lot of management

70:59

and time to batten down the hatches and

71:01

get everything organized. As a studio,

71:03

we're way stronger now as a result. And

71:06

there are so many of you here and

71:07

enjoying the game that it's

71:08

overwhelming. Thank you for everything,

71:10

and I hope you enjoy what comes next."

71:17

>> Hello everyone. I am super glad to be

71:19

back with the one and only Pirate

71:21

Software.

71:22

>> He's taken over my shorts. There's just

71:25

something about this guy that's like

71:28

he's a real person.

71:29

>> Pirate Software, who has recently blown

71:31

up. He is somebody with an amazing

71:33

amazing resume.

71:35

>> Hi, my name is Thor. I've been in the

71:36

fart industry for 20 years. I worked for

71:39

Fart Entertainment, Fart Game Studios,

71:41

and the United States Department of

71:43

Flatulence. And now I own my own studio

71:45

called Pirate Fartware. I've

71:46

>> been in the gaming industry for 18

71:48

years. Used to work at Blizzard

71:49

Entertainment. I'm a hacker. I've been a

71:51

hacker for 20 years. I've been an

71:52

offensive security specialist for 20

71:53

years, dude. Now I make games on the

71:55

internet. And this is what I've done

71:56

full-time for the last 5 years. I just

71:58

make games. I'm a fart developer, a

72:00

farter, and a giant fart.

72:04

>> Thor's channel from September 2023 to

72:07

October of that year jumped 10 times in

72:09

views. This was a jump from 29,000 to

72:12

300,000 views a month. This increase is

72:15

only significant because of the jump in

72:17

views. However, the jump from October to

72:19

December of 2023 is unfathomably large.

72:22

This is a 76,000% jump in views. Pirate

72:26

went from virtually having no following

72:28

to surpassing 1 million YouTube

72:30

subscribers. These were virtually all

72:31

from YouTube shorts, a format that was

72:33

YouTube's answer to competitor Tik Tok

72:36

short form content. And Thor was the

72:38

king of it. Everyone was learning about

72:40

pirate software. The game developer that

72:42

uses MS Paint in his shorts. MS Paint is

72:45

king. MS Paint is my favorite program

72:46

ever.

72:47

>> Within these shorts, Thor establishes

72:49

his wouldbe credibility. He listed all

72:51

the studios he worked at spread the fame

72:53

of his father and made it clear that he

72:55

is a gamedev. This worked to make him

72:57

appear as an authority figure on all

72:59

subjects related to gaming. Even

73:01

something like World of Warcraft. Also,

73:03

whoever said World of Warcraft, WoW is

73:05

not difficult, and that's coming from

73:06

someone who is a mythic raider. Dude,

73:08

it's never been difficult at all. Here's

73:09

how you beat WoW. Stop standing in fire,

73:12

you dumbass. That's it. That's 100% it.

73:14

Oh, look. There's a colored thing on the

73:16

floor. I shouldn't stand in that. One

73:18

important, particularly arrogant element

73:20

of Thor's shorts is he'd sometimes put

73:22

others down to put himself up. Thor, in

73:25

being reductive in describing the

73:26

difficulty of World of Warcraft, makes a

73:28

statement that he is both good at the

73:29

game and that deaths or failures in game

73:32

are superbly easy to avoid. Any failure

73:34

means you're a bad player. In hindsight,

73:36

some of these statements have glaring

73:38

hypocrisy. I hate Mojang's mob votes.

73:40

And the reason why is I put more content

73:42

in a day into block game than they do in

73:45

an entire year, plus a mob vote. and

73:47

they just throw the other couple of

73:48

characters away. You could just do all

73:50

three of those in a day of

73:52

implementation. That [ __ ] is so freaking

73:53

easy. How many people work at Mojang?

73:55

Like, what the hell is that [ __ ] That

73:57

makes no goddamn sense to me. Make all

73:59

three of them and shut up. Why don't you

74:00

put in the modding API that you promised

74:02

everybody like 10 years ago? Maybe do

74:04

that [ __ ] Lazy as [ __ ] Insane. Insane

74:06

at Mojang.

74:07

>> The following is from a separate short.

74:09

>> Dude, it it's always one of the things

74:10

where it's like really easy for people

74:12

to be like, "Devs are lazy cuz this

74:14

feature isn't in this video game." But

74:16

like, no, that's not how that [ __ ]

74:17

works. Like, every single game is a

74:19

different framework. Every single game

74:20

does things differently. And sometimes

74:22

things are more or less difficult based

74:24

on the way that they've architected that

74:25

entirety of that game. So, it's really

74:26

hard to say like, "Oh, this is easy or

74:28

that is easy." And usually to the

74:30

layman, the person who's not working in

74:31

those games, everything is easy because

74:33

they've never done it before. They're

74:34

like, "It's just a camera." My dude,

74:36

I've spent like 3 months working on a

74:38

camera before. Thor in these shorts was

74:40

a guru. He was a voice of reason yet

74:42

also a scathing critic. There were so

74:44

many fresh eyes on him, so many people

74:46

admiring his backstory and what appeared

74:48

to be a passion for game design. He

74:50

managed to convince millions of his

74:52

success. He was a fraud hiding in plain

74:54

sight. You guys have thrown so many

74:56

subscriptions at the channel that were

74:58

now ranked 55 in the world. Thank you

75:01

for everything. That is incredibly

75:04

humbling.

75:04

>> There were questions asked about

75:06

inconsistencies found in his content,

75:08

but Thor always had an explanation like

75:10

why his voice changed.

75:11

>> Went back to the doctor. Doctor's like,

75:13

"Hey, sometimes in your early 30s, your

75:15

voice can change as a man." And it's

75:17

effectively second puberty. This is what

75:19

I used to sound like. That's what I used

75:20

to look like to this 5 years ago. Wait

75:22

for this. This is awful.

75:23

>> My hot dogs are freshly picked. I'm

75:26

going to have to peel it. I'm going to

75:28

have to peel my hot dog.

75:29

>> Yeah, that was it, dude.

75:30

>> While his excuses failed to convince

75:32

all, they were passable, likely because

75:34

people like Thor and had little reason

75:36

to question him. As such, Thor on

75:38

Twitter could be found exercising his

75:39

authority, commenting on controversies,

75:41

typically leading with his experience as

75:43

a game developer or hacker. Naturally,

75:45

he would be nominated for the best

75:47

software and game development streamer

75:48

of 2023 at the 2024 streamer awards.

75:52

>> And the winner goes to the man with the

75:55

voice changer, Pirate Software.

75:59

>> Thor's success easily translated to

76:01

money. Though he had previously beat the

76:03

Twitch hype train record at level 55, he

76:05

nearly doubled that in 2024. A hype

76:08

train on Twitch appears when there is a

76:10

surge of monetary support, either

76:11

through channel bits, which can be

76:13

purchased with money, or subscriptions,

76:15

which are also purchased with money. The

76:17

Verge estimates that Thor made a healthy

76:19

six-f figureure sum for breaking this

76:21

record alone. This comes from Thor's

76:23

popularity, which is attached to his

76:25

credibility, and that is also attached

76:27

to his game. With more eyes on Thor,

76:29

there were now more eyes prying into his

76:31

history and Heartbound. A Steam user on

76:33

the discussion section of Heartbound

76:35

posed a simple question. Will this game

76:37

be released? Another responds, quote, I

76:39

do think it's weird that the devs say

76:41

they work on it every day on Steam when

76:43

if you watch their streams, they barely

76:45

ever work on it. Then they explain all

76:47

the other stuff they do off stream, and

76:49

it makes me wonder how they have any

76:50

time left to even work on the game. I'm

76:52

really hoping it comes out soon because

76:54

the dev did say it's supposed to come

76:56

out this year. Also to clarify, I am

76:58

100% for devs, taking as long as you

77:01

need to work on a game, but it's a bit

77:02

different when you release a game in

77:04

early access that has been in EA for 6

77:07

years now that people paid for it. You

77:09

should be working to get it done as fast

77:10

as you can since you decide to release

77:12

it in early access. Now, if it wasn't in

77:15

early access, I wouldn't have that

77:16

complaint." Thor responded to this user

77:19

citing his busy schedule, but also

77:21

stating, quote, "And despite that, I

77:22

still managed to finish up the entire

77:24

environment for the last area in Animus.

77:26

most of which was done on stream.

77:28

Perception is not reality. I work on a

77:31

Heartbound every day." Thor was now

77:33

experiencing a new degree of pressure.

77:35

As when he promoted himself, he promoted

77:37

Heartbound, the game with thousands of

77:39

distinct roots, one that he worked on on

77:42

stream because it had so many roots and

77:43

he could not possibly spoil them all.

77:45

Except now Thor was saying the game

77:47

could be spoiled.

77:48

>> Someone asked, "Why do you work on this

77:50

off stream?" Because it's full of

77:52

spoilers.

77:54

There's so many things in this that I

77:55

don't want to show to people or things

77:57

that just aren't ready that if I show

77:59

you on stream it's just going to ruin

78:00

pieces like

78:03

nah.

78:05

Yeah. Like nah.

78:08

Likely you'll never see those locations,

78:11

but in the off chance you would, I don't

78:12

want you to be spoiled.

78:13

>> Likely to quell the building displeasure

78:15

from the lack of visible progress, Thor

78:17

was aiming to convince the public

78:18

progress was being made offream. though

78:20

he still claimed to be working on the

78:22

game on stream despite viewers citing

78:23

the lack of that exact thing happening.

78:25

>> General standard was there's a whole

78:27

bunch of these games that do

78:28

Kickstarters and they run away with the

78:29

money. So I was like how do I fix that?

78:31

And the compelling factor like stepped

78:34

in and said why don't you stream all of

78:36

it? Why don't you just show everybody?

78:38

Also breaks the perception of he's not

78:40

working on anything. I could see him

78:41

working. It removes any whispers of that

78:45

immediately because people can see it.

78:47

There's a track record for that. Thor

78:49

had his audience convinced. Even those

78:51

reporting on him felt no reason to

78:53

challenge his claims.

78:54

>> He kept himself accountable. And I think

78:55

this is one of the things that's really

78:56

interesting is you can see the

78:58

development of the game, the evolution,

79:00

and almost like there's a charm to that

79:02

of the documentation of creating

79:03

something that you're genuinely

79:04

passionate about. And seeing Thor's

79:06

success to this point kind of is that

79:08

accumulation of that, of hard work,

79:10

putting the work in, seeing it come to

79:13

life, and seeing the result of it. Thor

79:16

well into 2024 was still getting over a

79:18

100 million views every month. His

79:20

appeals to authority were getting more

79:22

aggressive, but they to the masses

79:24

appeared earned. So much so that creator

79:26

Lewig announced that he was making a

79:28

game publishing company. Thor was to

79:29

play a part in set company as the

79:31

director of strategy stating his job was

79:33

to help pick games and to protect

79:35

developers during contract negotiations.

79:37

Thor was unstoppable. In July, his

79:40

YouTube channel reached 2 million

79:42

subscribers. An article by Mashable also

79:44

released this month. It covers Thor's

79:46

tremendous growth, his game Heartbound,

79:48

and even talks about his time at

79:49

Blizzard. Quote, "It helped that he was

79:51

a Nepo baby since his dad, Joey Ray

79:53

Hall, had spent over two decades at the

79:55

industry Titan since almost the very

79:57

beginning." Unquote. Though this article

79:59

gives positive coverage on Thor as it is

80:01

largely about his achievements, Thor was

80:03

not pleased with that one sentence.

80:05

Quote, "We had a brief interview at a

80:07

convention recently, and you asked me

80:09

many questions about my career, life,

80:11

and community." This article starts by

80:13

declaring me a quote unquote nebo baby

80:15

and then tries to walk it back for the

80:17

rest. My father's career had nothing to

80:19

do with mine outside of a six-month game

80:22

tester internship I had when I was 16

80:24

that went nowhere. I have spent 20 years

80:26

in the industry and earn every minute of

80:27

it." Yeah, really not a fan of that.

80:32

Not a fan of that. It's just it's one of

80:34

those things that I've been trying to

80:34

fight my entire career. It's one of the

80:36

things that I've had to argue with

80:37

people in chat about. It's one of the

80:38

things that we ban people for here. um

80:41

anytime people say [ __ ] like that

80:42

because it's deeply disrespectful and it

80:45

completely overrites any of the things

80:46

that I've done throughout my career as

80:49

something that is somebody else's

80:50

success which they have not been in any

80:52

possible respect and it's just it's just

80:55

rude as [ __ ] So what did he what did he

80:58

say in in the thing he said it was he

81:00

called me a nepo baby in his article. No

81:03

that's dog [ __ ] behavior really gross.

81:06

>> Thor has called himself a Nepo baby. He

81:09

has admitted his first job at Blizzard

81:10

was obtained from his father, but he

81:12

takes issue with this with his second

81:14

hiring as he states he was hired under

81:16

his own merit. Thor would use this clip

81:18

of his father stating how an employee

81:20

did not know his connection to Thor.

81:22

>> I remember one time he had uh his boss

81:25

had come to me because he came to me to

81:28

apologize that one of his people talked

81:30

to me. And I'm like, "What are you

81:32

talking about?" He goes, "Well, uh, J

81:34

Thor, uh, came up and was talking to you

81:36

and and I don't think that's appropriate

81:38

and stuff like that." I'm like, "Okay."

81:40

I go, "Just so you know, I'm going to

81:42

keep talking to Thor when he comes and

81:44

talks to me because he's my son."

81:46

>> Then this is Thor in an interview

81:48

recalling this same story, only adding a

81:51

very important [music] detail.

81:52

>> QA was like, "Why are you talking to

81:54

Joey Ray?" Cuz I was talking to him in

81:55

like in the quad in front of, you know,

81:57

like in the middle of campus at

81:58

Blizzard. And I was like, "That's my

81:59

dad." And he goes, "What?" [laughter]

82:02

Just like freaked him out. I was like,

82:04

"Yeah, that's him." You know, like I

82:06

just never told you cuz it's not

82:07

relevant to my job. You know, that's

82:09

kind of the point. So, yeah. No, no one

82:11

knew. And it was like it was kind of

82:12

like a open secret, I guess, that people

82:14

who knew knew, but it didn't matter. And

82:16

that was the whole idea behind it. Thor

82:17

here clearly states people perhaps not

82:20

that employee knew that he was an

82:22

executive sauna. This is something his

82:23

ex-coworker Cynthia will later attest to

82:26

and how his protection allowed him to

82:27

ostensibly do whatever he wanted. Not

82:29

only did Thor tweet directly detesting

82:32

the article and stream himself

82:33

expressing the same thing, but also

82:35

would desperately try to retract the

82:36

Nepo baby claim through other means. He

82:39

actually contacted the um event that I

82:43

had interviewed him at and had the event

82:46

reach out to me in an attempt to try to

82:47

get the fact that I called him a Nepo

82:50

baby taken out of the article. Um, which

82:53

is that has never happened before or

82:56

since. That was from an interview of the

82:58

articles author conducted by creator

83:00

Chud Logic several months down the line.

83:02

Happenings such as this serve to flesh

83:04

out the worst parts of Thor. But they

83:06

don't cause much disruption outside of

83:08

the few people involved. That much

83:10

cannot be said about stop killing games.

83:12

I'm not saying all multiplayer games

83:14

should have private servers, at least

83:16

while they're running. But once they're

83:18

ready to shut down that central server,

83:20

then they're the only option left. That

83:23

was from a 2018 video from the channel

83:25

Ocurse Farms run by Ross Scott who has

83:28

been posting on YouTube for nearly two

83:30

decades. For several years, Ross, beyond

83:32

his other content, such as Freeman's

83:34

Mind, in where he writes and narrates

83:36

the would-be inner thoughts of the

83:37

half-life protagonist Gordon Freeman,

83:39

has made videos covering dead games. Not

83:41

so much dead in the sense of a

83:43

diminished player base, but dead in the

83:45

sense of entire inaccessibility. A

83:47

frequent example is when a multiplayer

83:49

game becomes unprofitable. So, the

83:51

developer pulls a plug on the dedicated

83:53

servers, which are the only servers that

83:55

were ever available. This makes a game

83:58

entirely inaccessible if there were no

83:59

playerrun servers. In some cases,

84:02

entirely erased. In 2024, Ubisoft killed

84:04

the online component of the game, The

84:06

Crew. A racing game that is toted for

84:08

its expansive map representing the

84:10

United States. But in this case, killing

84:12

the online component did not just make

84:14

certain that players could not access

84:15

the multiplayer. It meant that the game

84:17

could not be accessed at all. In simple

84:19

terms, to play the game, even alone in

84:21

single player sections, you had to

84:23

connect to Ubisoft servers. But now,

84:25

players could not do that because of the

84:27

DRM or digital rights management. A

84:29

system that was previously meant to

84:31

combat piracy was now responsible for

84:33

making the game inaccessible to

84:35

everyone. This was a breaking point, and

84:37

the realization for many that modern

84:39

games were not purchased. They were not

84:41

owned by the player. They were just

84:42

licensed. Many saw this as

84:44

anti-consumer, including Ross Scott. But

84:46

he also saw a potential solution.

84:49

>> Well, we've launched a European Citizens

84:51

Initiative, which would introduce new

84:53

law in the EU to stop this. And if we

84:55

get enough signatures, 1 million, Yeah,

84:58

I know. Then there's a real chance this

85:01

could pass in the law.

85:02

>> In short, Ross Scott alongside other

85:03

organizers were using the Europeans

85:06

Citizens Initiative to hopefully set

85:08

legal precedent to stop publishers from

85:10

killing their games. But it needs at

85:11

least 1 million signatures from

85:13

Europeans. And from there, the process

85:15

begins to implement a realistic version

85:17

of this into the law. Once this is set

85:19

up in the EU, it is likely similar laws

85:22

will be adopted in other countries. Ross

85:24

Scott seeks game preservation for the

85:26

sake of art preservation and for

85:28

consumer protection. He floats examples

85:30

of what a finalized law could look like,

85:32

but then states that the end goal is one

85:34

thing. Publishers can continue doing

85:37

whatever they want as long as you get to

85:40

keep your game. It amazes me when some

85:42

people say that's going too far in favor

85:45

of the consumer. Though to be fair,

85:47

that's probably not most Europeans. The

85:49

idea here is we're just trying to stop

85:52

games from being destroyed. That's it.

85:54

>> Pirate Software learning of this

85:56

initiative on August 1st immediately

85:58

took issue with it.

85:59

>> The problem is this. I work in the games

86:00

industry. I have for 20 years. This

86:02

looks like a nightmare to me. yet looks

86:04

vaguely written as [ __ ] Assume so this

86:08

would not require publishers to assume

86:10

liability for the customer actions.

86:12

Except it would because every single

86:14

time that somebody would go off and

86:16

create a private server and that private

86:18

server would have problems. Do you know

86:19

who gets tickets for it? The parent

86:21

company that made the original game. Do

86:23

you know how I know that? Because we got

86:24

tens of thousands of tickets at Blizzard

86:27

for private servers for World of

86:28

Warcraft. This is the most uneducated

86:31

take I have ever seen in games. The idea

86:33

here is we're just trying to stop games

86:36

from being destroyed. That's it.

86:38

>> No games are being destroyed here. These

86:39

are live service games.

86:41

>> So, we're taking as narrow an approach

86:43

as possible that still solves the

86:45

problem.

86:45

>> A narrowest approach as possible. Let's

86:47

destroy all live service games. Be

86:49

completely disingenuous about the

86:50

reasoning behind it and say that we're

86:52

saving games. That's really narrow,

86:54

right? Yeah. Very good.

86:54

>> Thor is being disingenuous with his

86:56

coverage. Whether or not it is studios

86:58

only selling licenses to their games,

87:00

these games are becoming inaccessible.

87:02

They are being killed in one way or

87:04

another. Even Thor's example for World

87:06

of Warcraft private servers does not

87:08

hold up. In 2016, Blizzard sent a cease

87:11

and assist to a popular private server

87:13

running a much older but beloved version

87:15

of the game leading to the server's

87:17

closure. But the thing is, you guys

87:19

refuse

87:20

to add your own servers. You refuse to

87:23

do it. So, Nostalius does it. and you

87:26

literally went out of your way and you

87:28

got them shut down. It was your game.

87:33

That was so good.

87:34

>> That was Sodapin, one of the most

87:36

famous, longest running streamers who

87:38

has made his name largely playing World

87:40

of Warcraft. Nostalerius in the end

87:42

demonstrated a desire for players for a

87:44

classic iteration of the game to be

87:46

made, one devoid of poorly received

87:48

expansions and microtransactions. Since

87:50

then, Blizzard has been running its

87:52

classic servers since consumers made the

87:54

desire clear. as does stop killing

87:56

games. This opens up conversation about

87:58

IP protection. Yet, it also counters

88:00

what is perceived as planned

88:02

obsolescence of a game to shift focus to

88:04

its upcoming sequels as is the case of

88:06

Overwatch 2. This only touches on some

88:09

of the complexities involving the full

88:11

implementation. The first step was to

88:12

get a foot in the door and Thor rather

88:15

than suggest what could be optimal

88:16

implementation was only working against

88:19

it. Finally, this is a diversion from

88:21

really serious topics that politicians

88:23

would prefer not to deal with.

88:25

>> So, you're socially engineering

88:27

politicians that don't know anything

88:29

about the subject matter to try and push

88:31

through an initiative about an industry

88:32

you clearly don't understand to stop

88:35

killing video games in a way that would

88:37

kill all life service games. Am I

88:39

getting that right?

88:40

>> Thor was not getting that right. The

88:41

initiative, as it was written, was not

88:43

set in stone. Regardless, he was

88:45

completely against it.

88:46

>> Okay, I'm going to be 100% real with

88:48

you. I don't need to see a damn other

88:49

word. He's clearly displayed all of the

88:53

take on this. This would absolutely be

88:55

targeting live service games and it's

88:57

specifically trying to get pushed

88:59

through in a disingenuous manner because

89:01

they're targeting politicians that know

89:02

nothing about the field.

89:05

This is [ __ ] It's [ __ ] Not only do I

89:09

not want to back this, I'm going to

89:10

actively tell people not to. That is

89:13

awful. That is a horrible goddamn

89:15

direction. 100%. That's not that's not

89:18

stop killing games. That's start killing

89:20

games is what that [ __ ] stands for.

89:21

>> Ross Scott commented on Thor's VA.

89:23

Quote, "I think there's a combination of

89:25

values clash and a misunderstanding on

89:27

much of what we're asking for. For

89:29

example, WoW will likely be exempt from

89:31

this measure since it's considered under

89:33

the law as a true service. In other

89:35

words, the customer is told explicitly

89:38

when their access ends at the time of

89:40

payment. Most light service games do not

89:42

do this, which could run a foul of EU

89:44

law." There were many misunderstandings

89:46

in your video. It's clear you hate the

89:48

initiative and I doubt I would change

89:49

that, but I would encourage you to at

89:51

least hate it for what it accurately

89:52

is." Bro Scott names Pirate Software as

89:56

the highest profile person against the

89:57

initiative and invites him to have a

89:59

discussion where things could be

90:00

clarified. Thor responded the following

90:02

day where we could at least clarify

90:04

things, but your choice. I don't think I

90:06

want to do that. And the reason why is

90:08

this. It is because specifically your

90:11

video that made me not interested in

90:13

wanting to talk to you.

90:15

It is specifically this portion of your

90:17

video right here where you discuss

90:20

reasons why your initiative could pass.

90:23

And your description of this I find to

90:26

be disgusting. So politicians are going

90:28

to put this forward because it's an easy

90:29

win. They don't understand the subject

90:30

matter and it's a diversion from more

90:32

serious issues.

90:35

I don't have any respect for that and I

90:37

don't have any reason to have a

90:38

conversation with you because of this.

90:42

Good luck. I can't align myself with a

90:46

person that is doing that.

90:48

That's really gross, dude. Thor, as the

90:51

largest voice in opposition of an

90:52

initiative, is not engaging with it

90:54

because of Ross Scott's cynical joke

90:56

about politicians. Instead, Thor

90:58

released not one but two videos uploaded

91:00

in August 6th and August 7th addressing

91:02

stop killing games. Naturally, Thor

91:04

opens the first video with an appeal to

91:07

authority. Hi, my name is Jason Thoral,

91:09

also known as Pirate Software Online.

91:11

I've been in the gaming industry for

91:12

about 20 years. I used to work at

91:14

Blizzard Entertainment, then Amazon Game

91:16

Studios, and now I own my own studio,

91:17

Pirate Software by the same name, which

91:19

is an indie studio, and I've been here

91:21

for about 8 years now. So, why did this

91:22

start in the first place? What is these

91:24

specific cases they've called out that

91:25

are egregious? And they have one. It's

91:28

The Crew. So, action on The Crew. The

91:30

video game The Crew, published by

91:31

Ubisoft, was recently destroyed for all

91:34

players and had a player base of at

91:35

least 12 million people. First off, I

91:37

don't like the idea in this that it has

91:40

a player base of 12 million people. That

91:42

is not how longunning games work. On

91:44

March 31st, 2024, Ubisoft shut down the

91:46

game servers, rendering the game

91:48

unplayable, which is normal for live

91:50

service games. The only thing that I can

91:52

see in here that could be a problem is

91:54

if they posed it as not an online only

91:56

experience. But everything that I found

91:58

online shows that the game was always

92:00

marketed as online only. This much is

92:02

true. It is somewhat deceptive on Stop

92:04

Killing Games to state that the crew's

92:06

player base is 12 million. While it

92:08

might have 12 million owners, this could

92:10

be misinterpreted as the game having 12

92:12

million active users. Additionally, the

92:14

game's box did state an online

92:16

connection was required. If you're going

92:18

to be buying an online only game, that

92:20

means it can only run when it's online.

92:22

And if the servers need to shut down in

92:24

the future, far in the future, it makes

92:26

sense to me for the access to that game

92:27

to be cut if it's online only. If it's a

92:30

single player experience that has online

92:31

only functionality specifically just to

92:33

shut down the game in the future and the

92:35

online only doesn't actually add any

92:37

gameplay functionality, I'd agree with

92:38

you. That's a shitty business practice.

92:40

>> Creator Whammy reported on the hidden

92:42

offline mode. And as you can see, it

92:44

clearly says play online and play

92:46

offline. Sadly, we can't properly

92:48

activate this boot selection menu yet

92:50

because of the game's horrible DRM. The

92:53

existence of a possibly full offline

92:55

mode does defeat Thor's arguments. What

92:57

helps counter Thor even better are his

92:59

own words. Thor, when news of the crew

93:02

shutdown for us made headlines in 2023,

93:04

had a far different opinion on the game

93:06

and game preservation in general.

93:08

Vdazzle said, "Thor, what's your

93:10

thoughts on video game preservation and

93:12

the fact the game industry doesn't want

93:13

to really do it cough asterisk Ubisoft?"

93:16

>> Game preservation, I think, is very

93:18

important. It's incredibly important.

93:20

Um, there is no there is no greater loss

93:24

than seeing stuff like that disappear.

93:26

We have a history as developers and that

93:29

history is falling away. I think that it

93:31

is deeply important that we we catalog

93:34

and preserve games. I'll give you a good

93:37

example of why this is deeply important

93:39

to me is not showing games to the next

93:42

generation means that that media is

93:44

permanently lost. Permanently lost. And

93:47

that's a big issue for me. It shocks me

93:49

that it's even a thing that some of

93:50

these can disappear. Frankly, I it

93:52

shocks me entirely. Every 10 years media

93:55

gone, dude. Maybe even 5 years

93:57

sometimes. It moves really quickly. We

93:59

have to preserve this [ __ ] We have to.

94:01

And it's a big deal to me. So

94:03

>> Thor was now stating that game

94:04

preservation for games with online

94:06

components doesn't make sense. Thor

94:08

expresses that he understands the

94:10

initiative will be refined if not

94:11

through organizers and then the

94:13

government that will likely attempt to

94:14

find a happy medium between the

94:16

consumers and companies. Even so, he is

94:18

still entirely against it. Thor, in a

94:20

pinned comment in this video, leaves an

94:22

FAQ answering seven questions. Here is a

94:25

breakdown of five of them. Point one

94:27

addresses the clear solution of allowing

94:28

players to run their own servers, which

94:30

Thor counters by creating the absurd

94:32

scenario of users actively destroying a

94:34

game for the game to become dead, and to

94:36

then force a developer to kill their own

94:37

game, which leaves a game in the hands

94:39

of the people that destroyed it. Point

94:41

three addresses Thor's lack of

94:42

assistance to the cause, which he

94:44

counters by stating he assisted when he

94:46

said games should make it clear when

94:48

they are licensed. Point four addresses

94:50

the accusations that he banned Ross from

94:52

his channel. He claims he did not.

94:54

However, Thor does state he banned over

94:56

10,000 people in the last three days

94:57

alone for hate speech, toxing attempts,

94:59

and the spreading of insane false

95:01

information about him. Point five makes

95:03

it clear that Thor has had a 20-year

95:05

career in the gaming industry spanning

95:06

from QA, engineering, IT, and red team.

95:09

And then on point 7, Thor doubles down

95:12

on not speaking to Ross Scott. Thor in

95:14

his second video on the subject the

95:15

following day largely recycles these

95:17

points and makes a few outlandish

95:19

statements. One in where he states he

95:21

cannot comprehend the desire to preserve

95:23

dead games. It's a multiplayer game. You

95:25

need a bunch of people. How many of you

95:27

have felt negatively when an MMO dies or

95:30

when a live service game dies? Oh, dead

95:33

game. There's only five people online.

95:34

Why would I play that? So why would you

95:36

want to preserve a game in that state?

95:38

That doesn't make any sense to me. You

95:40

want to take down these live service

95:42

games, put them up on a private server,

95:43

and then play it with a couple of

95:45

people. You're not bringing it back at

95:47

its height. You're not taking a snapshot

95:48

of what the game actually is. You're

95:50

making it limp on in a way that doesn't

95:52

make any sense. That's not preservation.

95:54

>> There are hundreds, if not thousands of

95:56

these small communities playing obscure,

95:58

decade old games. Thor's claims are

96:00

becoming more and more baseless, and he

96:02

is losing his authority. I should be

96:04

able to be talking about this. In fact,

96:06

I should be talking about this. I am a

96:08

content creator specifically that is a

96:10

game developer that has worked in this

96:12

industry for 20 years. This is my

96:14

wheelhouse. I'm going to be gone for the

96:16

next four days. So, if you expect me to

96:18

respond or anything like that and you

96:19

think I'm ducking the issue or hiding in

96:21

some way, I'm not. I'm just in Vegas

96:23

because there's Defcon going on, which

96:24

is a hacking convention, and it's the

96:26

first vacation I've had in 5 years. I

96:27

can't wait to see my friends out there.

96:29

This initiative and its complexities

96:30

beyond the simple message meant that

96:32

Thor made it through mostly unscathed.

96:34

Even his friends were coming out in

96:36

support of him and against the malicious

96:37

comments Thor was claiming he was

96:39

receiving. On August 10th, Ross Scott

96:41

uploaded his own FAQ in video form,

96:43

clarifying that stop Killing Games is

96:45

not retroactive. It won't affect current

96:47

games, only new ones, and that can be

96:49

made from the ground up with the

96:50

knowledge that one day they will have to

96:52

operate in some form offline. To that,

96:54

games only have to be reasonably

96:56

playable. This video received a little

96:57

over 100,000 views. This is only a

97:00

fraction of what Thor's videos against

97:01

the Initiative received. Thor had the

97:03

upper hand, but through this had

97:05

unwittingly attracted a small group of

97:07

detractors where Thor was getting

97:09

hundreds of millions of views. These

97:11

videos were often failing to break even

97:12

a thousand. Modern-day creators have

97:14

learned ignoring drama tends to kill it.

97:16

Thor attempted to both ignore the drama

97:19

and behind the scenes kill it. 500 bits

97:21

said subscribed after the SKG video.

97:24

While I don't agree with all your

97:26

>> neat

97:29

peas 420 with 1,000 bits said, "Hi,

97:32

Thor." Beyond silencing donations, Thor

97:34

also erased his VODs involving

97:36

discussion about stop killing games.

97:38

>> Their initiative for that and there were

97:39

a number of posts in there that were

97:41

people saying we should keep baiting him

97:44

and attacking him because if we do that,

97:46

he'll keep talking about it then more

97:47

people will sign the initiative. They

97:49

were planning that [ __ ] and those

97:51

threads are still there. They're still

97:53

up. People are still talking about that

97:54

[ __ ] on there. So instead of that, I

97:56

just deleted all the VODs where we were

97:58

talking about it. I kept my videos up

97:59

and I walked away. They can eat [ __ ]

98:02

While Thor could exercise some control

98:04

over conversation through lack of

98:05

dialogue on his side, there was little

98:07

he could do for these videos exploring

98:09

his past as Maldavia's victory.

98:11

Mysteriously, one by one, these

98:13

disappeared. Someone or some group had

98:16

been reporting these to YouTube and

98:18

though their contents are not any worse

98:19

than any typical expose video, they were

98:22

all getting removed by YouTube for

98:23

harassment and doxing. One creator known

98:26

as Dr. Copper states that they confirmed

98:28

with YouTube staff that Thor personally

98:30

reported the channel. This creator also

98:32

states that Thor had been doing this to

98:34

other expose videos. The most prominent

98:36

video that unlike the others did get

98:38

some traction at 98,000 views was also

98:40

removed while it sat at only 59% likes.

98:44

These were already massively disliked

98:46

videos, but Thor was still allegedly

98:48

taking them down. What's more, Thor in

98:50

his Discord addressed some of the claims

98:52

found in this other video, which

98:53

explores the Second Life drama involving

98:55

Wingless Moto and Thor visiting her when

98:57

she was a minor, stating that the claims

98:59

of sexual activity were untrue and that

99:02

the outlets that reported on him in

99:03

Second Life were tabloids that made

99:05

extreme and idiotic statements. Thor

99:07

also posted the conversation he had with

99:09

his creator, letting his Discord

99:11

following know who was responsible. The

99:13

author of this video also states, "Thor

99:15

took down his video. In the midst of

99:17

this, Thor tweeted, quote, I moved and

99:19

had been commuting 3 hours a day to

99:21

stream for months now. It's why all my

99:23

dev work slowed down. I just gained 18

99:25

hours a week back." This was his new

99:28

excuse for the lack of progress in

99:29

Heartbound. The game only received a

99:31

single update in 2024, if it can be even

99:34

labeled as such, because this was an

99:36

April Fool's update, not a real April

99:39

Fool's update, as that would require dev

99:41

work, but instead a list of joke patch

99:43

notes that are known to be hated across

99:45

the industry. This means for the

99:47

entirety of this year, there were no

99:48

additions to Heartbound. On the website

99:51

Kiwi Farms, this user set out to answer

99:53

one burning question. Quote, "How much

99:56

does Thore actually work on Heartbound

99:58

when streaming?" Thor had 13 streams

100:00

this past month, totaling 164 hours of

100:03

raw VODs. The shortest being 8 and 1/2

100:06

hours, with the longest being a full

100:07

24-hour stream. Of course, not all of

100:10

them were spent working on a Heartbound.

100:12

That's expected. But how would you

100:14

guess? How much? How little did he work?

100:17

most of the streams or did he only

100:19

muster singledigit hours in 164 hours of

100:22

video and after spending 6 to 7 hours

100:25

over two nights reviewing it that I can

100:27

ever get back? I found that Thor spent

100:30

163 hours and 45 minutes not working on

100:33

Heartbound with only 15 minutes of

100:35

actual quote unquote attempts to work on

100:37

it. This feels like a case of Yandere

100:39

Dev 2.0, maybe even worse. I checked as

100:43

thoroughly as I could. Thor genuinely

100:45

only tried working on Heartbound for 15

100:47

minutes. Those 15 minutes weren't even

100:50

coding, just [ __ ] around trying to

100:52

get his game editor to work and

100:53

answering his super chats. To say the

100:56

least, that is not productive work. Not

100:58

even getting into the editor or even

101:00

explaining to his viewers what he even

101:01

wanted to do. I only gave him those 15

101:04

minutes due to attempting to get your

101:06

programs to work as quote unquote

101:08

billable hours. Not really work, but a

101:10

technicality.

101:12

In September on Twitter, Thor was

101:14

celebrating his growth, stating he now

101:16

has a team of 16 people working under

101:18

him, either employees with benefits or

101:21

contractors receiving that of equivalent

101:23

pay. The coming months would not be as

101:25

kind to him as the last year was. This

101:27

same month, Fearful Tears would release

101:29

his first video ever, and it just so

101:31

happened to be on Thor. While the

101:33

previous videos on Thor took on a more

101:35

aggressive or mocking theme, this video

101:37

let the evidence largely speak for

101:39

itself. The first half covers some of

101:41

the history involving the lengthy delays

101:43

of Heartbound. And the second half

101:44

brought forward a new criticism.

101:46

>> While I was about to I was like I was

101:48

like writing this video like front light

101:49

in my head and

101:52

then one day I got a new YouTube

101:55

recommended called Machobot and just

101:58

seeing the thumbnail I was like you

101:59

should talk about it again.

102:00

>> Mr. Robot is a highly regarded show

102:02

centered on a computer programmer and

102:04

vigilante hacker.

102:05

>> All right so the reason I don't like Mr.

102:07

robot. This right here is my write up

102:08

for the Defcon 22 batch challenge. Went

102:10

viral as hell inside of the hacking

102:12

community. And it was because I listed

102:13

out everything that we did as a team and

102:15

showed the world the brilliance of lost.

102:17

And now let's go to Mr. Robot's Twitter.

102:19

Understand that this was the only place

102:20

in the [music] world that this was

102:21

listed. Mr. Robot reposted this right

102:23

here. That's that same string. But what

102:25

did they leave off the end? His

102:26

signature. This is the same as taking an

102:28

[music] artist and removing their

102:30

signature from their piece of art. They

102:31

made it public to millions of Mr. Robot

102:33

fans. And those people went and found

102:35

all of the breadcrumbs that led after

102:37

this, which led to Lost's personal phone

102:39

number. He got tens of thousands of

102:40

calls from fans of Mr. Robot, thinking

102:43

Mr. Robot was running an ARG, and I

102:44

stopped watching the show as a result.

102:46

Thor, in 2016 tweeted three times under

102:49

his potato account at Mr. Robot. What

102:51

fearful tears proved is that nearly

102:53

every one of Thor's claims in that video

102:55

were false. To start, this cipher could

102:58

be found on the Defcon pamphlet, which

103:00

can be found on Defcon's official

103:02

website. Thor lied about him being the

103:04

only one to host this information. Being

103:07

this was DevCon 2022 in 2014, Thor did

103:10

not even win this challenge. It was a

103:12

different team. Furthermore, lost, the

103:15

creator of the challenge appreciated the

103:16

challenge being included in the show,

103:18

even going as far as to thank one of the

103:20

writers. By 2019, according to this

103:23

writeup regarding his appearance on a

103:25

panel, Lost had become a consultant for

103:27

Mr. Robot. Thor was also indignant about

103:30

the cipher because the solution is Law's

103:32

phone number even though it was designed

103:34

to be discovered and Thor in his own

103:36

writeup posted the number while the Mr.

103:38

Robot Twitter only posted the cipher for

103:40

it. There is hypocrisy here but to fully

103:44

grasp it one needs the context of

103:46

Devcon. Mr. Robot the puzzle creator

103:49

lost and Thor's involvement in Devcon.

103:51

The same goes for understanding the

103:53

significance in Thor not completing

103:55

Animus. His excuses, his promises, and

103:58

why Heartbound is the foundation of it

104:00

all, and why it stagnated development is

104:02

representative of Thor in more ways than

104:04

one. Thor is shielded by his ability to

104:07

hide behind complexity, to claim to be

104:10

the one seeing a truer reality. It is

104:12

the reason he received over 1 billion

104:14

views in 2024. After all, that's why his

104:18

fatal mistake was entering a level

104:20

playing field of knowledge. His fatal

104:22

mistake of all things was playing World

104:24

of Warcraft. In 2023, Blizzard released

104:27

classic hardcore servers. Servers based

104:30

on the earlier versions of World of

104:31

Warcraft with the added twist that

104:33

players get a single life. Death means

104:36

starting an entirely new character.

104:38

Though this is not a new game mechanic

104:40

as rogue likes are based upon this

104:42

mechanic. World of Warcraft is an MMO

104:44

where players sink hundreds of hours

104:46

into a single character to get a max

104:48

level of 60 and obtain items from

104:50

dungeons that greatly boost character

104:52

attributes. It is a social game that

104:54

requires different classes of characters

104:55

meant to deal damage, take damage, and

104:58

heal players. Even with all the

105:00

necessary classes present, mistakes are

105:02

all too common.

105:03

>> I got I might be dead here, boys.

105:06

>> Petry, petri. I did. I have petrif

105:11

and leave pet.

105:14

>> Come on, man.

105:19

>> Oh my god. This death took place in

105:21

Dyall, one of the endgame dungeons that

105:24

necessitates players seeking hundreds of

105:26

hours to get into. The reason it

105:28

happened is because one of the players

105:30

walked too close to a group of enemies.

105:32

>> Yeah, he didn't do it on purpose. He

105:34

didn't do it on purpose. I I I get it.

105:36

It was just a up.

105:39

Unlucky. Damn. I'll be honest. I am

105:42

surprised that this is in range to pull.

105:44

But yeah, you got to hug that left wall

105:46

there. Streamer Sodapoppin in revising

105:48

the footage found that a mage was not

105:50

hugging a left wall, meaning that the

105:53

raid group had too many enemies to deal

105:54

with. This is one of the more common

105:56

ways for a raid party to lose control

105:58

and for players to die. Sodapoppin as he

106:01

had built his career on World of

106:02

Warcraft was not just an authority

106:04

figure in classic hardcore. He was

106:06

leader of the guild only fangs. This is

106:09

a group that includes creators of

106:10

various size that understand from the

106:12

outset that the guild is meant to

106:14

provide entertainment. Whenever a

106:15

creator makes a severe mistake, they

106:18

must contend with a punishment or at

106:20

worst be gicked, meaning kicked from the

106:22

guild. Number one, XQC is to roleplay

106:25

walk through Stormwind. And then when he

106:28

gets to Dowski, he must type a heartfelt

106:31

apology. If he types anything like, "I

106:33

would do it again." or anything like

106:35

that, he will not be unreinvited to the

106:37

guild. It has to be an apology. It's all

106:39

he has to do. It's so easy. It's an ego

106:42

trim. And we're going to do it. Dowski,

106:45

my lord, my precious,

106:48

I have failed you and all of the guilt

106:50

of my aborant behavior.

106:52

>> This was in 2023. A year later in

106:55

November, Only Fang season 2 was set on

106:57

fresh servers where the entire player

106:59

base starts at level one. In virtually

107:02

every way, this newer season was more

107:03

expansive than the first. It had

107:05

hundreds of creators joining. It divided

107:08

the creators based on their in-game

107:09

races, which also dictates their class.

107:12

This also worked to have pseudo subg

107:13

guilds which created even further

107:15

competition. Sodapoppin for the majority

107:18

of guild members did not allow them to

107:19

choose their classes as it would make

107:21

the challenge too easy for experienced

107:23

players. And he even refined the

107:25

punishments because the different races

107:27

relied on a point system and death would

107:29

remove points. Punishments could help

107:31

reduce the loss of points. Thor was part

107:34

of the season of Only Fangs and jumped

107:36

in the moment the servers opened.

107:37

>> Oh. Oh, here we go. Uh,

107:39

>> is it working? Horde, troll,

107:42

>> mage.

107:43

>> Yeah, my character's getting in.

107:45

>> I need for you.

107:47

>> Uh, because I'm cool.

107:49

>> Creators, whether new or experience,

107:51

knew that this was a celebration of

107:53

Warcraft. Creator Miskf recreated the

107:55

basement of the famous South Park

107:57

episode, Make Love, Not Warcraft. Thor's

107:59

relationship to this episode via his

108:01

father was wellknown. This is why he was

108:03

looked upon as one of the guild's

108:05

experienced members. He worked at

108:07

Blizzard. He is a game developer. Having

108:09

him in your party is a sure sign of

108:11

victory. What's more, Thor built a frost

108:14

mage, one that specializes in nice

108:16

spells meant to slow enemies in the

108:18

event that too many enemies are pulled.

108:20

In theory, frost mages are a boon. In

108:23

practice, the fear of losing one's

108:24

character can overpower the desire of

108:26

fully assisting the escape of party

108:28

members.

108:29

>> Oh, we pulled.

108:30

>> Oh, what the [ __ ]

108:31

>> Big. We probably need to run, guys.

108:33

Probably need to run.

108:33

>> Holy [ __ ]

108:34

>> Yep. This is exactly what I was worried

108:36

about.

108:37

>> Holy [ __ ]

108:37

>> I dummy. just run out. I'll

108:39

>> [ __ ] die.

108:40

>> No [screaming] way.

108:43

>> Oh my god, I'm dead, too.

108:44

>> Moonm Moon, the streamer and frost mage

108:46

in that clip, was criticized for not

108:48

doing enough to save his party members.

108:50

Sodapoppin, in reviewing the clip, gave

108:52

leeway to Moon, citing the party's

108:55

collective mistakes and that Moon didn't

108:57

make a few attempts to send out spells,

108:59

but overall was operating at his level

109:01

of experience.

109:02

>> I'm not going to blame the mages, man.

109:04

Like you can't expect these mages to

109:06

save you out of these situations in our

109:09

guild. They're not Ziko. They're not.

109:13

They're scared. I think you should be

109:15

more preventative rather than just like

109:17

we reallyed up. I hope our mages can

109:19

carry us out of here. Thor in his

109:21

breakdown of this was far less generous.

109:24

>> We've lost a lot of tanks, man.

109:26

>> Like I've watched it like Jay Bezy died

109:29

the other day. That was rough.

109:32

>> That was sad as a mage player. That was

109:33

sad to watch from two mages in a group.

109:35

I'm going be honest.

109:36

>> It made me physically unwell. Yeah.

109:40

>> Yeah. It made me feel like I was a

109:41

decent mage player knowing that I

109:43

probably would have done a lot more.

109:45

>> Like there were no sheeps going out.

109:47

There were no blizzards going out.

109:48

Apparently he didn't have the spec for

109:50

blizzard for slows. But like that's

109:51

exactly why I run that spec cuz like

109:54

when [ __ ] goes sideways you save lives,

109:56

man. Thor on his streams was both

109:58

speaking to his ability and the

110:00

necessity to be humble, to admit fault

110:02

even when not fully at fault.

110:04

>> Yeah, I'm going to be honest with you.

110:06

Let me let me explain a little Let me

110:08

explain something to you young guys.

110:11

If she says that it's your fault that

110:14

she died in the video game, it's your

110:16

fault that she died in the video game.

110:18

Even if it's not your fault that she

110:19

died in the video game, it is your fault

110:21

that she died in the video game.

110:23

This has been a public service

110:25

announcement for you. You say hell no,

110:26

but it's true. Do you know why? Do you

110:29

know why? Because that hill is too

110:31

stupid to die on. It is now January

110:34

12th. Thor has joined a raiding group to

110:36

take on Dy Maul. Early into this raid,

110:38

issues arise and too many enemies are

110:40

pulled.

110:42

>> He's coming. He's coming. Just

110:43

>> Oh, we got another one. Oh, [ __ ] Just

110:45

run out.

110:46

>> Everyone run now. Jump down. I'm putting

110:48

down targeting me. Let's just run out of

110:49

here.

110:51

>> Oh my god. Thor, instead of walking

110:53

alongside his party to deploy spells

110:55

meant to slow enemies and save his party

110:57

members, has instead turned tail.

110:59

>> Are you guys fine? Are you guys fine?

111:00

>> I have a dummy.

111:01

>> Look down another dummy.

111:03

>> Again,

111:04

>> I have a dummy. I have no more dummies.

111:07

>> I have one. I have one.

111:09

>> Hopefully

111:10

>> dummy now.

111:11

>> Nice dummy. We're coming to you.

111:13

>> Even without the assistance of Thor, the

111:15

party managed to recover and the raid

111:16

continued only for trouble to arise once

111:19

more.

111:22

Boss is coming too. Watch out.

111:23

>> Yeah. Yeah. I got shield wall.

111:26

>> God damn it.

111:27

>> Just run. Can you target me?

111:34

>> I can target. Should I do it?

111:36

>> Just kill the master. Yeah, target

111:37

dummy.

111:37

>> The boss, which should in most cases be

111:40

avoided in this section of the raid, is

111:42

now targeting the group. Thor's time to

111:44

act is now. At the start of the chaos,

111:47

Thor has 1,8 mana. Thor also has a

111:50

plugin meant to display his health at

111:51

one to troll his viewers. As the party

111:54

makes their escape, Thor uses the spell

111:56

blink. This is 400 mana gone to teleport

111:59

forward. Thor then briefly turns around

112:01

to cast a spell.

112:03

>> Osie, are you fine?

112:05

>> Uh,

112:05

>> any grenades? Anything?

112:07

>> Thor makes several mistakes in this

112:09

short time. He does not use rink one

112:11

blizzard. Instead, he uses max rank

112:13

blizzard which is meant to be used more

112:15

for the sake of damage. This mistake

112:17

severely drains his mana and he moves

112:20

the moment he cast it. Moving interrupts

112:22

the spell yet also expends its full cost

112:24

of mana. In fairness to Thor, the enemy

112:27

ahead of the pack is a boss and is

112:29

immune to being slowed. Yet that much is

112:31

not true for the lesser enemies that

112:33

also pose a serious danger and through

112:36

blizzard could be separated from the

112:37

boss.

112:38

>> Heal him. Heal him. Heal him. Heal him.

112:39

>> Yeah, just heal me. Just come back a

112:40

little bit.

112:41

>> On me sitting bear form.

112:42

>> Snappy. Just run.

112:44

>> I can help a lot. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.

112:46

Pirate, why are you walking, bro?

112:47

>> Thor has made the decision to run. And

112:50

though the coland was made to run, party

112:52

members are reasonably expected to aid

112:54

each other's escape, especially Thor,

112:57

who previously toted his ability to do

112:59

so.

113:00

>> What are you talking about? Why am I

113:01

walking? Look at my mana.

113:02

>> Savage.

113:03

>> While Thor plainly states he is out of

113:05

mana, in his hot bar, Thor has access to

113:08

mana rupee and ropes of the arch mage.

113:10

These are two mana restoring items that

113:12

he does not use. Kill the kill just kill

113:14

the mastate in the kill the mastives. We

113:18

got this in a sense of uh something.

113:21

>> Do you see my mana? What am I supposed

113:23

to do for you?

113:24

>> Just kill the mastiffs. One shot. Okay,

113:25

we

113:26

>> more on the way. More on the way.

113:28

>> Thor's cursor in that moment can be seen

113:30

making a beline towards his mana ruby,

113:32

yet he does not click it. Regardless, he

113:34

still has enough mana present for

113:36

certain spells, including rank one

113:38

blizzard, a spell that in a different

113:40

stream, he called attention to.

113:41

>> Can you see my talents? Sure, man.

113:45

So, I've got 35 points in frost. This is

113:47

going to give me elemental precision and

113:49

improved frostbolts. So, faster frost

113:50

bolts that hit better. Um, all of this

113:53

is just damage related except for

113:54

improved blizzard. This is going to

113:55

allow me to basically save parties in

113:58

dungeons. That's the real big deal for

114:00

that. Improved Blizzard is just very

114:01

powerful cuz you can cast a rank one

114:03

blizzard. Costs only 272 mana.

114:05

>> Thor, instead of casting that spell,

114:07

cast to others.

114:08

Ice.

114:10

>> The massives can be ice.

114:13

I'm dead. I'm dead. I'm dead.

114:14

>> Now we're going to wait.

114:15

>> Nara.

114:15

>> No.

114:18

>> Okay. Get out. Get out.

114:20

>> Run. Run.

114:23

>> Evocation's on cool down, man.

114:25

>> While a raid member expresses that an

114:27

enemy type is susceptible to ice nova,

114:29

Thor uses ice barrier, a protective

114:31

spell on himself, and then also uses

114:33

bling to make his escape.

114:36

>> I can taunt last. How much mana is is

114:38

this ice?

114:39

>> There's no way that much mana.

114:40

>> You have a boss in you. You called run.

114:42

>> This failure spread among its members

114:44

got two players killed. Unlike Moonm

114:47

Moon or many others whose failures were

114:49

displayed, Thor showed no remorse.

114:52

>> I ran and I was out of mana. I don't

114:54

know what the hell they were expecting,

114:56

dude. That does not make any sense.

114:59

>> No, they pulled they overpulled two

115:01

polls and the boss.

115:03

>> After the events, streamer Tyler 1

115:05

speaks directly to Thor. Yo, what up?

115:07

>> Yo, what's up, bro? Big drama today,

115:10

pirate. I'm hearing big drama. Big

115:11

things. I don't really play mage, but

115:13

from what I've gathered with everything,

115:14

I think there was a world where you do

115:16

more to help.

115:17

>> But at the end of the day, it was a

115:19

terrible poll. Calls made a run. Your

115:21

hours are on the line. You I don't know

115:23

if you know these people too well, but

115:25

you don't want to lose your character

115:26

more

115:27

>> than anybody else's. That's my

115:29

understanding. Is that Yeah.

115:31

>> You didn't want to die. Is that correct?

115:33

>> No. Yeah. No, 100%. Nobody wants to die,

115:35

right? like this is hardcore world level

115:37

60, right? And of course, I didn't want

115:39

to die. And what I saw from that

115:40

situation was there may be something

115:42

more I can do here, but the risk is too

115:45

high right now.

115:46

>> About 6 minutes into the call, Yamato, a

115:49

member of Thor's failed reading party,

115:50

jumps in.

115:51

>> What? Yamato, what do you want, man?

115:53

>> Let me let me say it again.

115:54

>> You already said his piece.

115:54

>> Pirates, go on.

115:56

>> Yeah, I want to speak to him because I

115:57

didn't speak to him correctly. I said it

115:59

again. We all did mistakes, bro. Like I

116:01

didn't say we are just blaming you. It's

116:03

about the zero accountability is what

116:05

makes us so mad. I respect

116:06

>> there's no zero accountability, dude.

116:08

Everyone can do something better. But

116:10

when you when you open up and you yell

116:12

over another person like

116:14

>> Nah, I'm good. See you.

116:17

>> I'm not doing that [ __ ] again with him.

116:18

No, he did it the first time. I'm not

116:20

doing it a second one.

116:21

>> Thor left the call, leaving Yamato to

116:23

vent on Tyler one stream.

116:25

>> That's the issue. This guy's egoistical

116:27

as

116:28

>> insane amounts of ego this guy has.

116:31

Sodapoppin was among the many to review

116:33

the footage of Thor abandoning his

116:34

teammates. The derisive term of this is

116:37

roaching out as a cockroach just as a

116:40

bad teammate would escape at the first

116:41

signs of danger. Did not use his

116:44

toolkit. Did not use his mage properly

116:46

whatsoever. I think I could name five

116:48

mages 60 right now. Lucari, no one dies

116:51

there, believe it or not.

116:52

>> You overpulled and you weren't paying

116:54

attention to where the boss was. That's

116:55

not on me.

116:57

Ah, I saw

116:59

>> just take some blame. God damn it. Just

117:02

a bit.

117:02

>> I don't know if we could like move back.

117:05

>> Not a big deal. This is kind of roachi.

117:08

>> Uh, it is actually it's probably the

117:10

most roachi thing I've ever seen.

117:11

>> Soda, as well as the wetter Twitch user

117:13

base, was experiencing the downfall of

117:15

Thor and his reputation. The craziest

117:18

thing is that [music] Pirate

117:20

>> is supposed to be this voice of a person

117:23

who's played WoW a really long time, who

117:25

knows everything, and in the when it

117:27

comes down to it, he panicked like a

117:29

roach and did nothing for his group.

117:32

Disgusting. And then he doesn't go back

117:34

on it, he acts like it's the right

117:35

decision. That dude, holy ego.

117:40

>> At least accept that you did the wrong

117:42

thing and you killed your friends.

117:43

>> This dude is a complete fraud. At least

117:45

in the in the WoW space, I don't care if

117:47

he worked for Blizzard. The guy probably

117:50

made coffee for some devs. I don't even

117:52

believe for a second he coded anything

117:55

in this game. I don't like dude I notic.

118:00

All right, bro. Guy probably was

118:04

interning there for a week. I'm not

118:06

going to believe a Was were people under

118:09

the impression he's like some wow like

118:11

crazy good player? I was not under this

118:13

impression. Were others under this

118:15

impression?

118:23

That's how he marketed himself. Customer

118:26

I don't I don't know. He said so

118:27

himself. I've never I mean I would have

118:29

just disagreed uh if I just looked at

118:32

his screen and saw rank one Blizzard

118:33

isn't keybound. Side note, Joker, the

118:36

creator Sodap Poppin just reacted to

118:38

will later this month have his video on

118:39

Pirate Software taken down for

118:41

harassment and bullying. As it stood,

118:43

Thor was losing credibility. He was not

118:46

taking accountability for his personal

118:48

failures or accountability for his

118:50

excuses in a theater comprised of the

118:52

greater Twitch community. Anyone that

118:54

has played World of Warcraft knew that

118:56

Thor had failed. Even those that were

118:58

new to the game also knew Thor failed.

119:01

That's crazy to me if you can't look

119:04

back at this and be like, "Yeah, I could

119:06

have absolutely done a lot."

119:08

>> I'm one of the primary guild enchanters.

119:13

Whatever. He is one of the guild's

119:15

primary enchanters. However, we have

119:17

[music] like 10 primary guild

119:20

enchanters, and one could argue that we

119:22

have too many still. Soda's review was

119:24

summarized in this Reddit post. A

119:26

commenter also summarizes Thor's absurd

119:28

and compounding excuses. Quote, I did no

119:31

wrong, and if I did, it was

119:33

unsalvageable. And if it wasn't, I had

119:35

no mana. And if I had mana, I was too

119:38

far away. and if I wasn't too far away,

119:40

I blink further. And if I could have

119:42

helped, I can't risk it because I am the

119:44

guild enchanter."

119:46

Thor was not budging. Even [music]

119:48

worse, he believed that it would all go

119:50

away. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, to be real

119:52

with you, I've seen [ __ ] like this

119:53

before. Um, I generally feel like the

119:55

internet has like a 72-hour health bar

119:57

where they get really pissed about

119:58

something that has nothing to do with

120:00

them, and then they find something else

120:01

to get really pissed about that has

120:02

nothing to do with them.

120:03

>> And like, mods are cleaning up. Rest of

120:05

the community is in good spirits. Thor

120:07

on Twitter on the 13th released his

120:09

statement. This did not include an

120:11

apology. The most he spoke on his

120:13

failures was this section. Quote, "Each

120:16

person in this group made mistakes,

120:18

including myself. I have never once said

120:20

I was perfect in my play, nor that I was

120:22

a god gamer. I'm just an explicit

120:25

employee that has played Mage for a long

120:27

time."

120:28

If anything, this statement made readers

120:31

even angrier as Thor stated that this

120:33

would all just go away. Quote, "To those

120:35

trying to defend me, don't worry about

120:37

it. This too shall pass. The internet

120:40

hate machine will not defeat me or the

120:42

community that supports me. See you in

120:44

WoW Hardcore tomorrow."

120:46

Thor, receiving large-scale harassment,

120:48

attempted to ban his way through it. It

120:50

was 2,975

120:52

bans and 1,357 bans on process.

120:56

>> On day two of the scandal, Thor

120:57

continued to show no remorse.

120:59

>> The call was made to run. I ran and I

121:01

ran further than other people wanted to.

121:03

And then the call was made to not run.

121:05

So I didn't run back in. And there was

121:08

at that point it felt like there was no

121:09

reason to run back in. At that point I

121:11

didn't I didn't really want to. And

121:12

that's it. And a lot of it was from a

121:14

rogue that was bitching the entire time

121:16

about every goddamn thing that was going

121:17

on except for his own play. But the mage

121:20

is the one at fault because the mage is

121:21

the hero class and the mage has to do

121:23

everything perfectly. Everyone in that

121:25

play played badly. We've been taking all

121:27

of this. We've been documenting all the

121:28

content creators that are egging it on.

121:30

Like all of that [ __ ] is documented and

121:32

and reported and that's it.

121:35

Hope it was worth it.

121:36

>> Thor was broadly venting his frustration

121:38

towards other creators in the guild.

121:40

What he fails to mention is he was also

121:42

hyperritical of some members like Moonm

121:44

Moon. You know, look, as a as a smaller

121:48

streamer myself,

121:51

can you imagine

121:54

the vitriol and hate I had to put up

121:57

with in my Twitch chat after a much

122:00

bigger creator on Twitch said that it

122:03

made him physically ill to watch my

122:07

gameplay?

122:10

It was terrible.

122:12

Basic stuff. Thor had a history of

122:15

putting more than just Moon down. Even

122:17

those new to the game, such as Phil Mage

122:19

Lucari, were not safe from Thor's

122:21

lambasting. You basically have to

122:22

evocate to get your mana back for the

122:24

next pull.

122:29

[laughter]

122:29

>> Remind me. I sorry, I don't play the

122:31

game, so I forgot.

122:34

If you remind me, I can help you.

122:37

>> Yeah, it's it's too bad I'm the only

122:38

mage in the party. You're right, Chad.

122:41

If only if only someone else would cast

122:42

Arcane in.

122:45

>> If only.

122:46

[laughter]

122:48

>> Can't really keep wishing for things

122:49

that just aren't here though.

122:50

>> That is true.

122:51

>> That's true. That's true. Can't wish for

122:52

the rogue. Can't wish for another mage

122:55

to cast arcane in.

122:56

>> Yeah,

122:57

>> brother. May I have some oats? Oh, since

122:58

we have two mages, we could probably the

123:00

ads.

123:01

>> Wait, we have two mages? Oh, man.

123:05

>> Yeah, I [laughter] can volley

123:06

>> here. I've been the only one casting

123:07

arcade in. Incredible. Oh, that's crazy.

123:11

>> Wild, right?

123:12

>> Cuz he has like this high and mighty

123:14

attitude like he's better than you when

123:15

he's not.

123:17

He's like talking down to me in that

123:18

dungeon in SM. You remember that? You

123:21

guys remember that [ __ ] Why do you play

123:23

mage when you don't like support the

123:25

team and make water and buff people?

123:28

[ __ ] I'm new. I [ __ ] didn't realize

123:30

the buff ran out, [ __ ] And then

123:33

[ __ ] fast forward

123:35

two months later, this [ __ ] doesn't

123:37

even know how to press Frost Nova. [ __ ]

123:39

yourself, [ __ ] I'm going to talk my

123:41

[ __ ] [ __ ] him, dude. I still remember

123:42

that [ __ ] when he was talking that [ __ ]

123:44

acting like he can play mage better than

123:46

me when he's dog [ __ ] at the game.

123:48

Shit's crazy, bro. You kidding me? [ __ ]

123:50

that guy. That's why people don't like

123:52

him, cuz he has a high and mighty

123:53

attitude. He has like the ego, but it's

123:56

like an unjustified ego.

123:58

Thor now turning even the guild against

124:00

him continued to deliver his unwanted

124:02

perspectives. And for all the content

124:04

creators that were out there trying to

124:05

cannibalize me to boost their numbers

124:07

for a little while. That may work for

124:10

now, but in the future, no one's going

124:13

to want to do anything with you other

124:14

than other people that also want to

124:16

cannibalize you. You're going to

124:17

surround yourself with [ __ ] That's

124:19

going to be on you, bud.

124:21

That's shitty for you.

124:22

>> The guild was against Thor. It's

124:24

probably better for both of us to split

124:26

ways. So, I sent him a message. Um, told

124:28

him I was going to G-kick him. Um, and I

124:32

maybe like an hour, maybe two pass, I

124:34

don't know exactly. And then did it.

124:37

See, I'm the one that made the call. I'm

124:38

I actually am the one who link soda. I

124:41

literally was like, "We got to talk to

124:42

this guy. Like, I don't know what the

124:43

[ __ ] is going on with him, but he can't

124:44

be acting like this." And then Chance is

124:47

like, "Yep, we'll just get rid of him."

124:48

I was like, "Okay,

124:50

>> silence."

124:51

>> Everyone, yes, I made the decision to

124:53

G-kick pirate. I felt a large majority

124:55

of people in the guild felt

124:57

uncomfortable playing or being around

124:59

him and all that drama that surrounded

125:00

him at this point. Even though some

125:02

people may have not felt that way, a lot

125:04

of us did. And after seeing some clips

125:07

today from him quadrupling down or I

125:09

don't know what number we're on at this

125:11

point, I think I'm making the right

125:13

decision. But it's still I feel bad. Try

125:15

to just let this whole thing slide into

125:17

forgetfulness and move on. IMO

125:21

>> gamers. On day three of the scandal,

125:23

Thor released another statement of

125:25

sizable length summarizing the events

125:27

under his perspective. This also did not

125:29

include an apology. Thor on his Twitch

125:32

channel set the time limit of clips to 5

125:34

seconds to make it harder for users to

125:36

clip his channel. Also to this, Thor

125:38

announced he was moving on from

125:39

Warcraft. Anyway, I'm going to be real

125:41

with you guys. I won't be playing

125:43

Hardcore WoW on stream again. I don't

125:45

give a [ __ ] about any of this stuff

125:46

anymore.

125:47

If you if you came here to like talk

125:49

about it or you want to you want to do

125:50

the thing, you think it's part of a soap

125:52

opera a bit, it's not part of a bit. Um,

125:54

I'm not going to play and I'm I'm just

125:56

going to go do other stuff and that's

125:57

it. Yeah, I'm not going to make my own

125:59

guild. I'm not going to do any of that

126:00

[ __ ] I'm out. Yeah, not interested.

126:03

>> Thor's prediction that the internet

126:04

would move on was not coming to

126:06

fruition. Even as he tried to limit his

126:08

clips, as he moved on from the game,

126:11

conversation about him only increased.

126:13

>> I watched his Animal Well playthrough.

126:15

Okay, I watched the whole thing, but it

126:16

was on second monitor

126:19

and I liked the video and I remember

126:21

thinking in the video I was like, damn,

126:22

he's [ __ ] good at puzzles, man. I was

126:24

like, if I was doing this, I'd be

126:26

[ __ ] stuck. That's what I remember

126:27

thinking. Okay. And then during this

126:31

drama, I'm like reading some of the

126:32

comments on this WoW drama, and somebody

126:34

off-handedly mentioned that he uh faked

126:38

it, that he like looked up a guy, that

126:40

he like [ __ ] was clearly like he says

126:43

things that happened before he gets

126:44

there.

126:45

>> Quote, piggybacking on this to say, I'm

126:47

pretty sure it's my comment that Atriox

126:49

saw, which is kind of crazy because I

126:51

didn't expect it to end up in a front

126:53

page clip like this. I got to say it's

126:55

pretty vindicating seeing people realize

126:57

how [ __ ] he is. I do hope someone

127:00

with more time can make a compilation of

127:02

how he solves some of those well puzzles

127:04

as long as evolves are available. Lol.

127:07

Because it's legit ridiculous and super

127:09

obvious, especially towards the end of

127:11

the game. One I remember is a specific

127:13

puzzle that is impossible to solve it by

127:15

yourself. It's designed to be solved by

127:18

the entire community altogether, all

127:20

with 50 different pieces of it. Pirates

127:22

said he quote unquote solved it

127:23

offstream and it quote unquote took

127:25

three hours. He did not acknowledge the

127:28

50 people thing, but he made it seem

127:30

like he put all those pieces of the

127:31

puzzle together himself and it was super

127:33

hard when he clearly just drew the

127:35

solution that other people had found.

127:37

And if anything, it proves that he

127:39

looked something up."

127:41

I've returned.

127:43

I solved the puzzle offstream. I know,

127:47

horrible, isn't it? a singular puzzle.

127:49

But the reason why is because it

127:52

required 50 players to do it together.

127:55

And there was no way that I was going to

127:56

do that on stream because it took an

128:00

enormous amount of time to draw an

128:03

entire thing on a mural. It took me 3

128:05

hours to do it and it required me to do

128:08

a lot of research to find out what it

128:10

was supposed to be. Even though

128:11

Animowell is a puzzle game with hints

128:13

meant to deliver the puzzles, Thor

128:15

reaches the answers without any of the

128:17

necessary hints to get those answers.

128:19

>> Like he would be stuck somewhere, look

128:21

at his phone, and then like 5 minutes

128:23

later, he'll be like, "Guys, wait, wait,

128:24

wait, wait, wait a minute." He has a

128:25

very specific doing like, "Wait a

128:27

minute."

128:28

>> Oh, come on. Wait a minute. Wait, wait.

128:31

Oh, oh,

128:33

truth egg. We found the truth. Thor left

128:36

a comment under his cut down long play

128:38

of Animal Well in response to the

128:39

cheating allegations. And here he states

128:42

that he played a significant amount of

128:43

time off stream and chiefly states he

128:45

played the game quote unquote

128:46

cooperatively with chat. Thor in his

128:49

long play contradicts this comment. The

128:51

five code lock is super brute forceable

128:53

in this house. We solve puzzles

128:57

and we don't look up the answers

129:00

cuz where the hell is the fun in that

129:01

bud?

129:03

Yeah, people have no idea how to play

129:05

puzzle games these days. I agree with

129:06

that. I don't understand the idea of

129:10

looking up the answers to puzzle games

129:12

and you need to you need to not do that.

129:15

Like you are robbing yourself of the

129:17

entire point of the game. At that point,

129:20

you might as well play an idol game cuz

129:21

you're not doing anything. Many viewers

129:24

now took note of Thor stating,

129:26

>> "Aha, wait a minute. Wait a minute. All

129:28

right, there's got to be some way to do

129:30

this." Wingdings. This is a one animal

129:33

well puzzle that is entirely unrealistic

129:35

to solve alone. It is a bonus multi-step

129:38

puzzle meant for those seeking a true

129:40

challenge. Completing steps of the

129:42

puzzle delivers symbols which turn out

129:44

to be a map and the solution to the

129:46

puzzle.

129:46

>> Is this a map? Is this a map?

129:50

>> Okay. No. Okay. No, he Wow.

129:55

I actually hadn't seen this before. I

129:57

didn't realize he just like got the map

129:59

hunch here already. We got He has three

130:03

lines and he instantly got, "Oh, it's a

130:05

map."

130:06

>> Streamer Albino emphasizes the absurdity

130:08

of Thor getting to the right answer with

130:10

a wrong equation.

130:11

>> The likelihood of someone solving the

130:12

wingings puzzle or not only finding the

130:14

wingings, which is really hard, but also

130:17

finding out how to like assemble them to

130:20

to get to the final stage of the puzzle

130:22

is insane. Albino does a just over hour

130:26

long breakdown of Thor's playthrough and

130:28

where he highlights how Thor never

130:29

obtained all the necessary pieces of the

130:31

map or even hints to get the map pieces

130:34

yet came to the correct answer out of

130:35

happen stance. I I think I know why I

130:37

skipped this one because he didn't do it

130:39

right because this is one of the or the

130:41

the personal pieces that I skipped

130:42

towards the end here was like, "Oh, I'm

130:43

going to fill in the blanks, right?" And

130:44

what you're supposed to do is you're

130:46

supposed to hear me out. Eat 100 of

130:49

these red little fruits

130:51

>> into the final.

130:52

>> Yep, there's the code. When you eat 100

130:54

in a row without taking damage,

130:57

[laughter]

130:58

I was like, "Nah, I'm going to skip that

130:59

one." Even though Thor conveniently

131:01

skipped two of the winging map pieces

131:03

that are particularly difficult to get,

131:06

he still guesses what the completed map

131:08

would look like. This one, this one

131:09

seems pretty obvious. This one seems

131:10

correct. I don't think there's any other

131:11

way that could go, right?

131:13

>> It can't be real, right? Wait a minute.

131:15

Wait a minute. The I can't stress this

131:17

enough. These puzzles have almost no

131:20

connection. He does them all back to

131:23

back. Figures them out immediately

131:25

before he's done with the wingings. He

131:27

somehow picks the random poster in the

131:31

background and and and even before that

131:34

he figures out even before he has that.

131:36

He figures out it's a map. He has it's a

131:39

map because there's lines in them. Oh,

131:42

it's a map. It has to be. Albino also

131:44

looked into Thor's playthrough of Outer

131:46

Wilds where he came to the conclusion

131:48

that Thor was cheating. This marks three

131:50

games where Thor's credibility has been

131:53

challenged and there was about to be a

131:55

fourth. Sabu got left behind. Sabu is

131:58

not paying attention.

132:03

Sabu.

132:05

God damn it, guys.

132:07

>> Oh, no. Who pulled the ocular?

132:14

>> So, one of you pulled the ocular.

132:21

Why?

132:24

Now half the raid is dead. Was there a

132:27

reason for that?

132:28

>> Thor was playing MMO Ashes of Creation,

132:31

something that he had been playing since

132:33

2024. In that raid, a player tagged

132:36

Inocular, a very dangerous enemy, and

132:39

Thor was set on figuring out who did it.

132:41

>> God damn it.

132:45

>> Oh, I swear to God. I'm going to go back

132:47

in the video and find out who pulled

132:48

that damn thing and kick him out of the

132:49

raid. That is insane [ __ ] You have to

132:51

be better than that. What do you mean

132:53

it's Kronos?

132:54

>> It's not Kronos. Somebody tab targeted

132:58

and hit those damn ads. Some one of you

133:00

attacked an Oculus and just wiped the

133:02

whole party for no reason. This is basic

133:05

[ __ ] We are not pulling those Oculuses

133:08

because they killed the raid. We are

133:10

pulling only the humanoids that are

133:13

dropping the actual gear. Basic. I've

133:15

been talking about this the whole time.

133:17

If you want to run endame content, you

133:19

cannot do this.

133:22

legitimately

133:24

because you're wasting everybody's time

133:25

by doing that. So, stop it. There's no

133:28

reason for that. When I say the whole

133:30

group is moving forward, that means you

133:32

are not pulling [ __ ] from behind us.

133:36

This is very, very basic. I'm not even

133:38

being a dick about this. You just wiped

133:39

everyone in the party and we lost tons

133:40

of loot and stuff for everybody

133:42

involved. It's not necessary. Thor

133:45

pulled in the clip. Link, I call

133:47

[ __ ] because I was running at the

133:50

time. Thor, in realizing that he pulled

133:52

the ocular, was now having to eat all of

133:53

his condescending remarks. But he does

133:56

not take any of the blame. No.

134:00

Absolutely not. No, that's not at fault.

134:03

No. When you split the party and you

134:04

pull the wrong peg. No. If you actually

134:07

watch that clip, you'll see that I'm

134:08

trying to tell them like, "What are you

134:09

doing? Why are you pulling back there?"

134:11

Yeah. No.

134:13

Absolutely not. Thor would later take

134:16

blame for his failure, but omit how he

134:18

initially shifted the blame onto others,

134:20

even after finding out he was the one at

134:22

fault. As much as all you guys who have

134:24

come over from live stream fell in are

134:25

asking about the Oculus, I pulled the

134:26

Oculus. We figured that out. I was mad

134:29

at that clip because we had lost a

134:30

shitload of extra time. I thought

134:32

somebody else in the party pulled it and

134:33

it turned out to be me. [ __ ] happens,

134:35

man. It ain't that deep.

134:38

>> Thor was being challenged like never

134:40

before. Every one of his credentials,

134:42

whether it be his Defvcom black patches,

134:44

his time at Blizzard, and even his

134:46

ability as a developer, was being

134:48

scrutinized. It did not help that it had

134:50

been over a year since Heartbound

134:52

received an update, that Heartbound had

134:54

been in early access for 9 years, and

134:56

that Animus had now been delayed for 5

134:58

years. Thor, in response, stated he was

135:00

going to provide monthly updates.

135:02

>> This new monthly update process probably

135:04

is going to fix that sort of like

135:07

narrative on that because it's not

135:08

correct.

135:10

Yeah,

135:12

that'll fix a lot of stuff, I think. So,

135:13

we're just going to release a new update

135:14

every month.

135:16

And there is going to be a bunch of

135:17

broken [ __ ] in the updates because it's

135:19

not a complete build.

135:21

>> With millions watching, Thor would now

135:24

need to adhere to his promises. Missing

135:26

or delaying even a single update now

135:28

could be met with extreme scrutiny.

135:31

>> When do you plan to finish development?

135:32

Um, my hope is to finish it as quickly

135:34

as possible. To be honest with you, with

135:35

the monthly builds now coming up, I have

135:37

a restriction on me where I have to

135:40

produce content for you every month, and

135:41

I can't just keep pushing it off because

135:43

I'm busy with everything else that it

135:44

takes to run a business. This forces my

135:47

hand to make sure that I have to stay

135:49

accountable to you guys and release new

135:51

content for the game. That's going to

135:52

make it easier for me to do this. And

135:54

now that Shay is actually less busy as

135:55

well, it's going to be easier for Shay

135:57

to build this kind of stuff, too, cuz

135:59

she has a day job. Sheay actually goes

136:00

and is a exotic vet assistant at an

136:02

exotic veterinary and that helps a

136:04

shitload for like running the animal

136:07

rescue, running the ferret rescue. So

136:10

Sheay was super busy with art. I was

136:12

super or like too busy to do art rather.

136:14

Shay was too busy to do art stuff. I was

136:15

too busy to do programming stuff and now

136:17

we're not. The machine is in place. We

136:19

can go build, bro. Complete your game

136:21

first. What do you What is What do you

136:22

think is on screen, you goblin ass?

136:24

Jesus Christ.

136:26

[laughter]

136:28

Complete your game, streamer.

136:30

>> Literally showing game on stream and

136:31

talking about how we're banking it.

136:33

Like, ah, damn. You don't even know what

136:34

you're mad about anymore.

136:37

>> I guess it is 9 years. Jesus Christ. On

136:39

the 19th, only a week after his infamous

136:42

failure at Dire Mall, Thor delivered his

136:44

January update on Heartbound, which was

136:46

not an actual patch. Instead, Thor, to a

136:49

much wider audience, states is almost

136:51

complete.

136:52

>> How done is Animus? Animus is very, very

136:54

close to being finished. So, let me go

136:56

pop this up for you. But, uh, uh, the

136:58

only thing that needs to be done for

137:00

Animus to be finished is this. The rest

137:01

of this is actually a section of Animus

137:03

that happens after Animus is finished.

137:05

>> Sooner than Thor's next Heartbound

137:06

update was an update on a different

137:08

game. On the 20th, a Redditor posted a

137:11

video alongside the title, he put Pirate

137:13

Software Drama in his indie game.

137:17

>> As much as you're angry right now, of

137:19

course I ran. This is footage of indie

137:21

game Idol streamer Bonanza, a game that

137:24

was at the time in development meant to

137:26

cruy satarize controversial streamers in

137:28

their most infamous moments. As a

137:30

Redditor pointed out, it was the

137:32

developer who made the Red Post and

137:33

titled it in the third person as to

137:35

attempt to deceive the audience that

137:37

this was a random user bringing

137:38

attention to this game. Onlookers were

137:40

not in favor of this developer's

137:42

practices and were already against him

137:44

until Thor stepped in. Hey, Kronos. We

137:47

have to file a legal complaint against

137:50

that dude earlier. Going to pause this

137:52

for a moment. There was a dude earlier

137:53

today that went on to Reddit and uh said

137:56

that he was using my voice in a video

137:58

game, showed a bunch of videos of it,

137:59

and then put that game up on Steam. Uh,

138:02

a lot of people in the in the uh thread

138:04

told him not to do that, that that would

138:05

end up being a legal problem for him. He

138:07

did it anyway. So, I filed a DMCA claim

138:09

and he has now filed a uh counter claim

138:12

against me. We're going to take you to

138:14

court. You're going to lose. You cannot

138:16

use somebody's likeness or voice in any

138:18

way inside of your games without their

138:20

permission. It's a really stupid thing

138:22

to do. Incredibly so. So, I'm going to

138:24

send this over to Kronos now because he

138:25

is a lawyer in copyright law. That is

138:29

his job. Welcome to the finding out

138:32

timeline, bud.

138:33

>> He put it up on Steam and showed that my

138:35

voice was going to be in it. That's it.

138:37

I think voice is copyrightable. That's

138:39

where you're wrong. And that's where a

138:40

copyright lawyer would know more than

138:42

you, which is Kronos.

138:44

Yeah, unfortunate.

138:47

>> Thor on Twitter would double down on his

138:49

stances. This was indeed unfortunate,

138:52

but not for the reasons Thor lists.

138:54

Voice use is an issue of likeness and

138:56

not copyright. And Kronos, his top mod,

138:59

was not a lawyer that was familiar with

139:00

US copyright law. He was not even a

139:02

lawyer based in the US where the

139:04

developer was based. He was a lawyer in

139:07

the UK. This was all expressed in two

139:09

interviews conducted by creator Chud

139:11

Logic and where he interviews the

139:12

developer and the lawyer working pro

139:14

bono to represent him.

139:15

>> I was under the assumption that Kronos

139:17

was an actual uh lawyer here in the

139:19

states. He's not. He's a lawyer in the

139:21

UK,

139:22

>> which he did. He put him in a in a build

139:24

that my client had internally, but he

139:26

didn't publish it in a demo on on Steam.

139:28

Okay. Nonetheless, this was uh a Monday

139:32

two Mondays ago. Not this past Monday,

139:34

not the Monday before, but the Monday

139:35

before that one. February 5th was not a

139:37

good day for Thor. Steam released an

139:39

update that would bring attention to

139:41

games possibly abandoned in early

139:43

access. This could be found on

139:44

Heartbound Steam page where it states

139:46

the game had not been updated in 14

139:48

months. This same day, the developer of

139:51

idol streamer Bonanza released lengthy

139:52

chat logs between him and Kronos where

139:55

Kronos appears to be misleading and not

139:57

only what could be done but also not

139:59

being forthcoming with their own

140:00

credentials. was under the assumption

140:02

that he was a lawyer here in the states.

140:04

And if you're a lawyer in the states,

140:06

you cannot give uh you cannot give bad

140:08

ad or you can either give no advice or

140:12

you know just legal advice. You can't be

140:15

like you can't mislead me even if I'm

140:18

the opposition.

140:20

>> Thor was unsuccessful in his attempts to

140:22

take this game down as it released later

140:24

in 2025 with the inclusion of Thor as

140:27

seen in the Reddit post. Thor was

140:29

suffering more than blows to his ego. It

140:31

was February that his Twitch views have

140:33

and his channel went from 100 million

140:35

views a month to a third of that. This

140:38

is mostly because everything was being

140:39

resurfaced. Whether it was small or

140:42

large from this year or from Second Life

140:44

in 2009, the nepotism, Dark Sphere

140:47

Creations, his time at Blizzard, his

140:49

Defcon badges, Harpound, the lack of

140:51

updates to Harpound, his lies about Mr.

140:54

robot, his voice randomly deepening, his

140:56

opposition to stop killing games, the

140:58

videos he had allegedly removed through

141:00

YouTube's report feature, and of course

141:02

his blunder in World of Warcraft. And on

141:04

February 20th, he responded, but only to

141:06

a handful of criticisms and only with

141:09

halftruths. Take for example his

141:11

explanation on what happened in Ashes of

141:13

Creation. I accidentally pulled

141:15

something with a spell called Ball

141:16

Lightning, and you can see it kind of

141:18

off in the back there. I thought

141:19

somebody else in the group pulled this,

141:20

and I was really pissed off, and I

141:21

blamed the rest of the team. And the

141:23

reason why I had done that is because

141:24

earlier on in the fights, people just

141:26

kept pulling random [ __ ] And then I

141:28

accidentally pulled random [ __ ] and I

141:29

looked like a dumbass because I was an

141:31

angry dumbass. This was entirely my

141:33

fault. And later on when we reviewed the

141:35

footage, we realized it was entirely my

141:37

fault and then I apologized to everyone

141:39

involved. Later on, we ended the raid

141:41

and we moved on to other content. Thor

141:43

fails to mention how he shifted blame

141:45

initially and blamed other party members

141:47

even after finding out that he was at

141:49

fault. In this same video, he

141:51

accidentally reveals he lied about his

141:53

updates to Heartbound, the indie game

141:55

that I work on. People are currently

141:56

review bombing this. They're very upset,

141:58

and I can understand why in some of

142:00

those cases, I haven't worked on the

142:01

game for the last year. I could have

142:03

communicated better this entire time,

142:04

though. With that in mind, this led to

142:06

the review bomb, but it didn't stop me

142:08

from working on it. On February 1st, I

142:10

released the first patch just like I

142:11

said I was going to. We put out the

142:13

patch notes for it. I made another

142:14

announcement on the Discord, and I plan

142:16

to make the next patch on March 1st. In

142:18

fact, I work on it all the time. I was

142:20

even showing it off on stream earlier.

142:22

This is part of the new environment that

142:23

I'm putting together to be able to get

142:24

this out to the rest of the public on

142:25

March 1st. There's a lot of dialogue in

142:27

here, and it's the end of a chapter, so

142:28

there's a huge amount of stuff that I

142:30

have to do. The February 2025 Heartbound

142:32

update was so desperately lacking that

142:34

Thor added this to the change log.

142:37

Quote, "Pound sign has been added to the

142:38

heartbound font."

142:41

Thor added a symbol. This makes up 1/5if

142:43

of the change logs that also include

142:45

quote a quit button has been added to

142:47

the menu with an are you sure option

142:50

unquote. Thor also stated that he did

142:52

not work on the game for the last year.

142:54

It is not that he miscommunicated this.

142:56

It is that he outright lied. In February

142:59

2024, he states he completed an

143:01

environment anonymous in response to the

143:03

accusation that he was not working on a

143:05

heartbound. In May of 2024, he gloated

143:07

to Dr. K how he was above the typical

143:09

Kickstarter because he was constantly

143:11

streaming himself developing Heartbound.

143:13

In August 2024, he tweeted how he had

143:15

gotten 18 hours a week back to dedicate

143:17

to dev work. In October 2024, he flat

143:20

out stated that he had completed an

143:22

entire site story for Animus. Thor lied

143:24

in all these situations just as he was

143:27

lying in February about it being a

143:29

miscommunication. Thor is a liar and was

143:32

being treated like one. quote, "The

143:34

constant attacks from people seeing

143:35

insane [ __ ] like this had a significant

143:37

impact."

143:38

>> That's why Easter eggs are cool.

143:40

>> Depends on if

143:41

>> Have you played Animal? Well,

143:42

>> no.

143:43

>> There's some insane secrets in that game

143:44

you will never discover on your own,

143:46

except if you're pirate software,

143:48

>> in which case you will just figure it

143:49

all out on your own.

143:50

>> We've lost 100,000 subs on YouTube.

143:53

Twitch is down significantly.

143:56

>> Was Ronald just completely winning the

143:58

game alone? But he is the last man

144:00

there. Kind of like a mage blinking out

144:02

of the dungeon. He will survive, but the

144:04

rest of his team not there.

144:06

>> YouTube views are down. Heartbound

144:08

review bombed, so that's down. Overly,

144:10

it's dramatically lower than it was

144:12

before. Wow. Hardcore.

144:15

Thor over the next couple of months

144:16

would continue to see a decline in every

144:18

aspect of his career. More and more his

144:21

audience was being compromised. The

144:22

viewers hate watching him.

144:24

>> I'm going to report that one myself.

144:29

Yeah, that guy's a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ]

144:31

who got reported.

144:34

Want to wait to see how long it takes

144:36

Twitch to ban this person permanently.

144:39

Who got reported for what? We'll find

144:40

out how long it takes for them to get

144:41

banned permanently from Twitch. I'll let

144:43

you know. Uh, what do they say? They

144:45

said that Ghost died of OMO.

144:47

So, they're trying to mix the World of

144:49

Warcraft drama [ __ ] and say that one of

144:52

the ferrets that died at her rescue

144:53

because she died of a very rare cancer

144:57

died of being out of mana. That last

144:59

video regarding the comment about Thor's

145:01

ferret got 14,000 up votes on Reddit.

145:03

The comments were not very sympathetic

145:05

to Thor. There was, however, one person,

145:08

Thor, could bring his issues forward to

145:09

more mutually evaluate them. But for

145:11

over a hundred days now, these people

145:12

that spam manage and you're out of

145:15

resources and run away from your friends

145:17

and all this kind of [ __ ] And the thing

145:19

that's crazy about that is tying back

145:20

into the ferret stuff is when Ghost

145:22

died, my YouTube got littered with

145:25

comments saying Ghost died cuz she was

145:26

out of mana.

145:27

>> Oh my god.

145:28

>> That's that's the [ __ ] that I'm getting

145:30

every day now. This was Thor's lengthy

145:33

conversation with Dr. K. Dr. K only

145:36

having minor bits to the controversy

145:37

surrounding Thor is reliant on Thor's

145:39

framing of the events to this. Thor does

145:41

an unsatisfactory job. He does admit

145:44

fault for some blunders involving his

145:45

raid in World of Warcraft, but entirely

145:47

admits the arduous fallout which is the

145:49

core of the issue. Dr. K picks up on

145:51

this. So I I think that this is where

145:53

things get like like if you're open to

145:55

talking about this, like I think it

145:57

could be helpful cuz I I I think there's

146:00

two things that can be true at the same

146:02

time. One is that the amount of hate

146:06

that you've received is not acceptable.

146:09

That I think is true. Like in this

146:12

moment, I believe that to be true. Like

146:13

that's not okay.

146:16

and

146:17

the way that you were describing the

146:20

story and the response that you got,

146:23

there's a big gap there that I think

146:26

does not

146:28

>> So, even if it's unfair,

146:31

it seems like there's something missing

146:33

to evoke. So, what I'm getting is that

146:35

you struck a nerve. You really pissed a

146:37

lot of people off.

146:39

>> And running away in a hardcore wipe,

146:43

like a hardcore raid that is wiping, I

146:46

do not think is the nerve that you

146:49

struck. Does that make sense?

146:50

>> No. No. It was it was the fact that I

146:52

was I was smug on the way out.

146:54

>> This segment of the conversation

146:56

captures the 3 hours of conversation. It

146:59

is Dr. K using various approaches to

147:02

have Thor's reality match up with his

147:03

opposition. But there is such a powerful

147:06

barrier Thor has placed that he cannot

147:08

see through it or over it. He even

147:10

admits as such.

147:11

>> The tricky thing about this is that

147:12

you're not wrong.

147:14

So I would agree with every single one

147:17

of the statements that you've made. But

147:18

I think that

147:19

>> defense mechanism for that

147:22

>> 100%.

147:23

>> A defense mechanism meaning what?

147:25

>> No, it's a defense mechanism on my end.

147:26

The reason why I did that is because

147:28

this is it's gone on too long and it's

147:32

gotten to that point where it's hard for

147:33

me to have a response that is not an

147:35

emotional response. Like we we talked

147:37

about this before is like whenever I

147:39

feel like I'm having an emotional

147:40

response, I just stop and I walk away

147:41

for a moment, come back to it. But with

147:43

this, I'm getting back into that old

147:46

habit of like I need to deflect this. I

147:48

need to diffuse this. This is kind of a

147:50

wall in front of this. I don't even want

147:51

to, you know, and you just kind of put

147:53

it up there and and walk away from the

147:54

scenario. That's that's literally what

147:56

that is, which is here's my evidence.

147:58

Take it or leave it. I never said that I

148:00

was. But and you you'll see there's a

148:03

number of people that are in there that

148:04

are getting like banned for this [ __ ]

148:05

right now is like they come in and

148:06

they're like, "Did you know that he

148:07

worked at Blizzard for 7 years?" Like,

148:09

"Yeah, that was my career and I'm proud

148:10

of that. So, of course, I'm going to

148:12

talk about that because it gives context

148:13

to talk about other things around the

148:16

games industry, which is what we do on

148:18

the stream."

148:18

>> Yeah. So I think I think sometimes the

148:21

things that I talk about in regards to

148:22

those types of things is misconstrued as

148:25

arrogance or boasting when in reality

148:27

I'm just trying to give context.

148:29

>> So that is the problem right there. So I

148:31

want you to listen to this phrase.

148:34

>> This gets misconstrued in as arrogance

148:36

but in reality it's this.

148:39

>> Yeah.

148:40

>> That is the most arrogant statement on

148:41

the planet, bro.

148:43

>> Like tell me I'm wrong. Okay. I don't

148:47

see it that way, but All right.

148:48

>> Right. So, Oh, yeah. So,

148:52

you don't see it that way. You're wrong.

148:55

>> No.

148:56

>> Right. I'm right. So, you're

148:58

subjectively you're thinking you're you

149:00

have blind spots. You're wrong. Like,

149:04

I'm objective and you're subjective.

149:08

>> No,

149:08

>> this is not the way it's perceived. It's

149:11

this is really the way it is. Thor has

149:14

built himself up on his achievements.

149:16

With viewers seriously are mockingly

149:18

diminishing them, they strike at Thor's

149:20

ego. So, while his true downfall started

149:22

in World of Warcraft, it has been

149:24

propelled by his memeification. Yet, he

149:26

has had various serious impact,

149:28

particularly on stop killing games that

149:30

in late June was predicted to now fail.

149:33

Now, I said I'm approaching this like a

149:35

time traveler because with the

149:36

trajectory we're on, these are both

149:38

going to fail. So, I figure why wait

149:41

until they actually do to tell people.

149:43

Both the petitions end in July. Okay, I

149:46

really don't want to do this next part,

149:48

but it's become a liability for the

149:50

campaign for me not to. Our biggest

149:53

critic by far is YouTuber and streamer

149:56

Pirate Software, who goes by Thor. If

149:59

your only exposure to Stop Killing Games

150:02

has been this video, then you've been

150:04

misinformed. This video is by someone

150:06

who does not understand the campaign,

150:08

has been trying to stop it, and has been

150:11

making up what it is about. This video

150:14

came out right as we were building

150:15

momentum. Then, except for one boost in

150:18

Germany, the signature started drying up

150:20

like clockwork. Ross Scott's video

150:22

dissects Thor's claims one by one and

150:24

proves how much he misrepresented the

150:26

campaign. from lying about what it was

150:29

trying to do to framing it beyond the

150:31

worst way possible to denounce it. The

150:33

worst part was that Thor's coverage, as

150:35

far as Ross Scott can tell, truly had a

150:37

negative reaction among supporters and

150:39

possibly caused the predicted death of

150:41

the campaign. But Ross Scott may have

150:43

been too quick on this because, as he

150:45

stated, there was still a month left to

150:47

get signatures. And this was about to

150:49

reveal something incredible. It was

150:51

going to prove that people hate Thor

150:53

more than they ever cared about stop

150:55

killing games. Naturally, Thor did his

150:57

part and responded to Ross Scott with a

150:59

lengthy tweet. Quote, "I put out two

151:01

videos disagreeing with your initiative

151:03

10 months ago, and I haven't talked

151:04

about it since. Now, your initiative has

151:06

failed, and you're blaming me for 33

151:08

minutes of the hour-long video covering

151:10

it. Your community is out in force

151:12

[ __ ] up our streams and socials with

151:14

hate messages, threats, and snide

151:16

comments. I'm fine talking to people

151:18

that are level-headed about this and can

151:20

have a conversation, but to be real,

151:22

dude. Every time you've been involved,

151:24

your orbiters turned [ __ ] toxic

151:26

instantly and it sets me off. Your

151:28

community is [ __ ] raid and it's [ __ ]

151:30

to deal with for anyone on the other

151:32

side of the argument. I still disagree

151:34

with your movement for all the reasons I

151:35

stated. That's unlikely to change at

151:37

this point. I am more than fine with

151:39

that. Stay frosty."

151:42

A day later, there was an uptick in

151:44

signatures, but it was far from the

151:46

desired growth. Thor on the 25th tweeted

151:48

again, delivering a similar message.

151:51

Ross Scott did not have much to add. He

151:53

only contested Thor's point of him not

151:55

taking his videos down in relation to

151:57

stop killing games. Thor refuted this by

151:59

stating that Twitch autodeletes VODs and

152:02

triples down on this by blaming the

152:03

disappearance and YouTube VODs as an

152:05

error on YouTube's side. Quote, "That

152:07

broken state causes them to be a black

152:09

screen and they cannot be recovered

152:11

unless you reach out to YouTube for a

152:13

720p version if they have it. Any video

152:16

set to 1155 has deleted all content

152:18

beyond it. Notice how many are missing

152:21

due to this issue because I stream at a

152:23

minimum of 12 hours a day, 5 days a

152:25

week." This is all very nice, but it is

152:29

also a complete lie. As a reminder, Thor

152:32

a year prior plainly stated that he took

152:34

these videos down.

152:35

>> I just deleted all the VODs where we

152:36

were talking about it. I kept my videos

152:38

up and I walked away. They can eat [ __ ]

152:41

>> A Twitter user even found this Discord

152:43

message of Thor expressing this very

152:45

thing. On the 25th, these signatures

152:47

jumped by 30,000. Every day came with

152:50

tens of thousands of new signatures.

152:52

Then on July 1st, Jack Septic, the

152:54

creator responsible for inspiring Thor

152:56

to quit his job for Artbound, promoted

152:58

the initiative and had this to say.

153:00

Someone like Pirate Software has gone

153:02

out and done a horrible video on it,

153:04

misrepresenting what it is, giving a ton

153:08

of misinformation and actually kind of

153:10

killing the initiative from the get-go

153:12

and then

153:14

just being very egotistical about it,

153:16

not saying sorry and really opening up

153:18

to it and being like, "Shit, my bad."

153:20

And then fixing any of the things that

153:22

he said were wrong about it.

153:24

>> PewDiePie also jumped in and created a

153:27

community post in support of the

153:28

initiative. This and other large

153:30

creators speaking on the initiative

153:32

brought in hundreds of thousands of

153:33

signatures and around July 4th the

153:36

initiative passed. This was truly a day

153:38

of celebration but not for Thor as

153:40

viewers had shown their disdain for him.

153:43

Trying to say that a rescue is an animal

153:44

horde. I have been called a pedophile,

153:46

zufile, rapist, corporate plant

153:48

degenerate, narcissist, nepo baby and

153:50

many other names. And they attacked all

153:52

the accomplishments over my life despite

153:54

physical evidence to prove to the

153:56

contrary. And they also went after every

153:58

job I ever held, uh, trying to say that

154:00

I never worked them or if I did work

154:01

them, that I never deserved them. So,

154:03

I'm gonna be honest with you. I hope

154:06

that your initiative gets everything you

154:08

asked for, but nothing you wanted.

154:11

And I'll leave it there.

154:13

>> From here, Thor made the choice to step

154:15

down from his position at Offbrand

154:16

Games.

154:17

>> Still part of Offbrand? Nope. Nope. I

154:19

stepped down. People were attacking the

154:21

games that we worked on uh because they

154:23

don't like me, and I don't want that to

154:24

happen to any of them. Also in early

154:26

June, Thor spoke about his time at

154:28

Blizzard, but not in the typical sense.

154:30

I

154:30

>> think I think the biggest problem, man,

154:32

is like I'm 37 years old. I have had a

154:36

whole career of doing stuff. And people

154:38

go, "That's impossible. I have never

154:40

done anything." And it's like, then go

154:42

do something like do anything. Like,

154:45

God, dude, what kind of dev work did you

154:47

do at Blizzard? I didn't do any dev work

154:49

at Blizzard. I've never said that I did.

154:51

The internet has has done some weird

154:52

[ __ ] where they said like, "Oh, he said

154:54

he's a dev for 20 years at Blizzard."

154:56

It's like, "No, I was a dev when I was

154:57

freelance and then I was fre doing

154:59

freelance work the whole time I was at

155:01

Blizzard and I was also working at

155:02

Blizzard cuz I was allowed to." So now

155:04

Thor was not a developer at Blizzard, a

155:06

company praised for their game

155:07

development. He was no longer the

155:09

director of strategy of off-brand games.

155:11

He was hardly an indie game developer

155:13

and certainly not a tech guru. The

155:15

question then is what is he? Though the

155:18

answer can come in various forums, a

155:20

proper label is Lulcow, a creator that

155:23

has long burned any goodwill with their

155:24

audience and lives on to be milk for

155:26

comedic moments. He was now being

155:28

compared to the infamous Yandere Dev. He

155:31

was even gaining the same treatment with

155:32

various creators breaking down the

155:34

inefficiencies of his code. I'm not

155:36

being hyperbolic when I say this, but

155:37

this is genuinely some of the worst code

155:39

I've ever reviewed, and I didn't even

155:40

explain or like dive into every possible

155:42

issue with it. I recommend people

155:44

actually download these VODs before he

155:46

takes them down because honestly, if I

155:48

was claiming I'm a game developer with

155:49

20 years of experience, this would be

155:51

embarrassing to have online. I don't

155:53

even need to know how this game is

155:55

designed to understand that whatever

155:57

he's doing here is not optimal. I also

156:00

don't need to rep recommend the most

156:02

optimal data structure because literally

156:04

anything would be better than this.

156:06

Another thing that's really really weird

156:08

is that he's using these numbers to

156:10

represent people. And now everywhere he

156:12

writes the number one and when it

156:14

represents a person, he needs to

156:15

remember that it's Shelly, which is

156:17

presumably a game character.

156:20

Imagine removing all these comments.

156:23

Would you, as a newly added game

156:25

developer to his game project, have any

156:27

idea that one is Shelly? You would have

156:30

no idea. This would never ever be

156:33

allowed in a production repository. And

156:36

like I like I'm I've been hinting, it's

156:38

below what you'd expect of a bottom tier

156:41

intern.

156:42

>> Thor now solidified as LCA was compared

156:44

to Dark Side Phil, the quintessential

156:47

Local. DSP responded to this comparison,

156:50

expressing he did not even know who Thor

156:52

was. An event showing that even in this

156:54

space, he was now struggling with

156:56

exposure. But not for long. Coverage on

156:59

Pirate Software had increased

157:00

significantly. Creator Quentyno alone

157:02

released several videos covering Thor.

157:04

In July, he released a video that helped

157:06

expose Thor for now possibly even faking

157:09

his hype trains.

157:10

>> What?

157:12

>> So, this is him pulling it up on stream

157:14

here. And I'll just go ahead and let the

157:15

rest of it play as you guys will see

157:17

that this is indeed pirate software. You

157:19

can see his messages between Kronos, the

157:20

ones that we were just showing you.

157:22

These private messages that took place

157:23

only months ago between Thor and his top

157:26

mod exposed an agreement in where's Top

157:28

Mod through a different account injected

157:30

thousands of bits to keep his hype train

157:32

going. As per their agreement, Thor was

157:34

apparently going to reimburse him.

157:36

Quinio goes into depth about the moral

157:38

and legal implications of this. If Thor

157:40

was doing this now, did he also use

157:42

these tactics to break the hype train

157:44

records even just for the sake of the

157:46

achievement? Or perhaps to inject money

157:48

right as the hype train was going to

157:50

die, as to extend it to encourage

157:52

viewers to donate further. Whatever the

157:54

case, it did not look good. Still, this

157:56

was nothing new when put next to what

157:58

Thor was now being accused of. On July

158:00

25th, Lyric Wolf, a former sexual

158:02

partner of Thor, who had his own

158:04

grievances with him and posted his full

158:06

furry sexual erotic roleplay messages

158:08

with Thor, was now coming out, stating

158:10

that an anonymous Twitter user claims

158:12

Thor as aid them. Among this anonymous

158:15

user describing the events of Thor

158:17

pressing himself onto them and

158:18

finishing. Lyric shares alleged

158:20

screenshots between the victim and Thor.

158:22

for at the time of writing has not

158:24

responded to this and these accusations

158:26

have not gained much traction likely

158:28

because of the alleged victim's

158:30

anonymity which appears to make the

158:31

testimony and screenshots of the alleged

158:34

messages less credible. Additionally, 3

158:36

days after this broke and only one day

158:38

after Twitch announced they had made

158:39

meaningful improvements to identify

158:41

viewbots, Thor announced he was going to

158:43

take a oneweek vacation that ended up

158:45

being 2 weeks. In the midst of this,

158:47

creator and animator Meat Canyon

158:49

released a video satarizing Thor. and

158:51

Thor himself placed all his former

158:53

streams to private. When Thor returned,

158:55

he began streaming a different MMO, Old

158:58

School Runescape. Soon after, these

159:00

servers were getting DDoSed. This was

159:02

blamed on Thor, or rather his detractors

159:05

attempting to disrupt his streams.

159:07

Runescape content creator, a friend,

159:09

attempted to reach out to Thor in his

159:11

chat, likely for the sake of discussion,

159:13

but instead was immediately banned.

159:15

>> Did he ban me? Wait, he said, "No way.

159:17

You banned a friend." Wait, what? I

159:18

didn't even say anything.

159:19

>> We We'll let another flood through. I

159:21

said, "Ah, the servers help double XP.

159:23

We can being ruined in Runescape 3."

159:25

>> Wait, I didn't even mean him even. Wait,

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wait,

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>> what? No way. It's a friend. Can I get a

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B? No way. He just banned a friend. A

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friend got bonked. Isn't he a nice guy?

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>> Thor and his moderators have become

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hyperprotective to the point that it is

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difficult for even friendly connections

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to be made. His streaming viewership has

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gone down significantly, even just over

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the last few months. At his peak, he was

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getting 19,000 concurrent viewers. Now,

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he was around 3,000 and declining. His

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YouTube channel's performance was far

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more grim. Where he used to get 100

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million views a month, he has slumped to

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3 million and following, losing hundreds

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of thousands of subscribers in the

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process. Thor's window for an apology

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has closed. His game sits at only 2%

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positive reviews for the last 30 days,

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and still Thor is providing updates

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hinting at the completion of Animus. He

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has failed on his most recent promise to

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deliver monthly updates as he missed the

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one for June. Lastly is this clip. This

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one last clip that will tie everything

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together. It will explain the past and

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foreshadow the future. Furion 3456 with

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500 bits said I've probably missed a lot

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in recent time, but I stopped watching

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because nothing seemed to be happening

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with Heartbound.

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>> Is that still ongoing or stalled? Kind

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of sad to not see any real dev streams,

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not just block game. What?

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>> That's what brought me here in the first

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place.

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>> I haven't worked on Harbound on stream

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in 3 years. That's not something I ever

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do and I haven't for a very great deal

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of time. Outside of that, Harbound gets

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updated every month on the first of the

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month. You should probably take a look

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at the Steam page.

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Within these three years, Thor expressed

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countless times that he streamed his

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dead work to prove he was not scamming

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his supporters. He lied during this time

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with the gamble that no one would go

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through his streams and demonstrate he

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was not working on hardbound. Now he

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reframes it all in the window from 2022

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to 2025 that no dev work had been done

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on stream. Additionally, Thor also

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claims he lost 2 and 1/2 years of dev

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work to co. This is from 2020 to mid

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2022. This pieces together a 5-year

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timeline of little to no work on his

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games. What's more, his excuse is also

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built on a lie. He has provenly

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redconned his time sick, the reason he

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was sick, and even contradicted himself

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further by stating he was no longer ill,

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and added more lies about Animus nearing

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completion during this time. Thor's lies

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are built on lies, which are built on a

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mountain of lies. It's unknown if even

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Thor knows where the truth begins and

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lies end because he so frequently

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contradicts himself. And at the center

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of it all was Heartbound. A story meant

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to express Thor's trauma and development

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has not just taken pause. It has also

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been warped yet paraded. Its illusion

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was lauded for its complexity because in

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reality and when put simply, it like

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Thor is not what it thinks it is and has

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failed and lied to everyone including

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itself.

Interactive Summary

This video details the rise and fall of Jason Thorhall, also known as Pirate Software, a game developer who gained immense popularity through his YouTube shorts. The video explores his early life, his connection to Blizzard Entertainment through his father, Joey Ray Hall, and his early ventures in game development, including the game Heartbound. It highlights Thor's rapid growth in viewership and the controversies that arose due to his perceived lack of accountability, inconsistent development timelines for his game Animus, and controversial statements and actions. The video also touches upon his involvement in online communities, his participation in hacking conventions, and his public disputes with other creators, ultimately portraying a narrative of a creator whose initial success was overshadowed by a pattern of broken promises and questionable behavior.

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