Scott Galloway on Trump vs. Canada and Whether He’ll Sell His Big Tech Stocks | Office Hours
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the soft tissue of corporate America or
the soft tissue of Trump is that he
responds to the markets. The only time
he has pulled back is not because of
protests or the courts. The only time or
quote unquote a co-equal branch of
government. The only time he has pulled
back is when interest rates spike or the
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>> In today's office hours, we talk about
Trump in Canada resisting big tech as an
investor and the value of focus. [music]
Our first question comes from Diane
Brooks one on Instagram. They say, "Why
do you think Trump is so [music] focused
on belittling Canada?" The honest answer
is I don't know because they're close or
because it's like that movie on Wall
Street where Charlie Sheen asked Michael
Douglas um why did you have to break
this company? And he goes because it was
breakable. So Canada is our largest
trading partner. Mexico and Canada are
actually tied. He's also sort of zeroed
in, I think incorrectly, on the notion
that uh past trade deals have
disadvantaged the US and Canada was
central to his push to replace NAFTA
with the USMCA. He tends to highlight
bilateral trade imbalances and sector by
sector outcomes.
And he frequently points to specific
industries, especially things like he
likes the kind of tangible stuff, dairy,
autos, lumber, steel, and aluminum,
where he says Canadian policies or
experts hurt US producers. And these
industries are typically more important
with kind of what he perceives as the
real America and people he feels are
advantageous to him politically and tend
to side with them, whether it's farmers
or the manufacturing states and the
industrial Midwest. So also I wonder if
he just sees it as a real estate play
that oh it's our neighbor let's buy
their house. The problem is it's around
all of this it's just really [ __ ]
stupid. Let's look at oil. They transfer
to us oil and energy and shale in its
Ross form and we add value to it and we
get a discount on it because of
proximity and we sell at a much higher
margin. They have manufacturing plants
where they produce cars, parts go back
and forth. They send in timber. They
send in oil manufactured products which
tend to have operating margins of 10 to
20 points and be produced by companies
that trade at a PE of say 8 to 15. And
in exchange we sell into them iPhones,
uh, chips,
digital services, banking, things that
have exceptionally high margins,
sometimes 40 to 50 points of operating
margins and are housed within companies
that trade at a PE of, you know, 20 to
50. So in some, if there's been any
asymmetry in trade, it's been towards
us. And that is for every dollar of
trade we do with Canada, we import in a
dollar worth of goods from Canada.
Right? So dollar into Canada of our
[ __ ] our iPhones, our chips. They put
in a dollar of cars, timber, oil into
the American market. The dollar we sell
into them is literally worth three to 10
times more to American shareholders or
to the American company than the
shareholder value they get from the
dollar they sell into the US. If there's
a trade imbalance or an asymmetry, it
benefits us full stop. But because it
was such a mutually beneficial
relationship and because there's been a
level of trust that's been built up
there by virtue of the fact that
Canadians went into World War II before
we did, they followed us into Iraq. They
followed us into Afghanistan. We have
fought shoulder-to-shoulder. So, uh,
Canada [ __ ] up. It trusted us. And 75%
of its exports come into the US. And I
think that essentially Trump said, "Oh,
we have leverage. Maybe they're our
friends, but we have real power and I
can bully them and push them around and
they kind of have to take whatever
tariffs we send to them." And Prime
Minister Carney has pushed back and
said, "Look, this might be bad for us uh
in the short term, but Canada's not
going to be bullied." Anyways, his views
on trade are just batshit crazy. I think
he did get China right. He did highlight
in his first administration that there
was asymmetry with China that they
basically steal our IP, rip it off and
then sell us back the finished good for
less uh gutting our industry. I think
there was real validity there. By the
way, since co Chinese exports are up 40%
but its imports are at 1%. And some
China's basically decided you can buy
our [ __ ] but we're not going to buy
yours. And that means trade
representatives all over the world need
to unify to push back on China. But when
the biggest consumer economy is
sclerotic and declaring war on all these
um foreign nations, we can't pull
together and China's been effectively
able to atomize us visav Trump's stupid
policies. According to Justin Trudeau,
Trump's obsession may be due to Canada's
significant supply of critical minerals.
And then Paul Kugman's theory is that
Trump hates Canada because it's a
fundamentally decent place. It's an
interesting theory. Trump, who nobody
would describe as a decent person,
dislikes and maybe even fears people who
are, says Kugman. Hm. That's some
armchair psychology there. But it makes
no sense. Uh they will be hurt very
badly. We will be hurt badly. And it's
essentially fraying the operating system
and the world order. And what's fueled
the middle class and unlocked
unbelievable economic growth really
since kind of the '90s and Clinton, it's
been an embrace of global trade. And
that is it is hard on certain losers,
certain industries that aren't
competitive with global suppliers. But
at the end of the day, if you can buy
bananas for less money and then reinvest
that additional consumer spending in
other products that we're better at,
what's happened over time is that we
have traded or swapped out low wage
non-competitive industries for higher
wage, higher gross margin, higher
shareholder value industries. So Dave
Chappelle summarized it perfectly. We
don't want to make Nikes, we want to
wear them. The people assembling iPhones
in China, I think it's 2,000 parts, make
about 500 bucks a month, $6,000 a year.
The average wage of an Apple employee
Certino was figuring out retail
strategy, distribution, marketing,
supply chain, uh, lobbying, regulations,
communications, investor relations, they
average about, I think, 220,000 a year.
The notion somehow that manufacturing is
going to come back, which I think was
one of the primary objectives of this
these stupid trade wars, it's not
happening. Also, folks, in terms of
manufacturing, Americans have a fetish
with it. And 80% of Americans think that
we need more manufacturing in America.
But get this, only 20% want to work in
manufacturing. You can't bring your dog
to the factory floor. These tariffs have
not in any way inspired a renaissance in
manufacturing. What they have done is
hurt some of our tourism that employs 12
million people in the tourism sector. So
in some if these tariffs and a war on
Canada make no sense economically or
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Question number two comes from mxml on
Instagram. They say, "How [music] does
your call to action to unsubscribe from
big tech impact your investment plans?"
Yeah, this is a tough one. So, I've
already unsubscribed from Uber, Amazon
Prime, and last night I spent about 2
hours trying to unsubscribe from
Paramount Plus, and I still can't figure
out I got a smiley or a sad mountain
saying I'd unsubscribe. But unsubscribe
from Uber and Amazon Prime. The really
shocking thing was when I unsubscribed
or I cancelceled my Uber account, uh, it
gives you this graphic that says, "This
is how many times you've ordered from
Uber Eats." I've ordered from Uber Eats,
I think, 34 times. And then it said,
"This is how many rides you've taken." I
think I've been a member of Uber for
about 10 years. Let me say I love Uber.
I think it's amazing. I love the little
graphic of how my Cadillac Escalade. Oh,
it's around the corner. I hope he parks
in the right spot. Oh, he's going to be
here in two. I just absolutely
love it. I think it's an amazing
service. I haven't owned a car in
[snorts] four years. And it's something
I've really enjoyed not owning a car.
All right. How many Uber rides have I
taken in the last 10 years? 3746.
Okay. See above. Love Uber. I take Uber
Lux. I like to think I'm a, you know, a
big deal. I have some money and I always
take Uber Lux. I did some analysis.
That's approximately 370 rides a year if
you divide it evenly across the 10
years. Most of my rides are to Midtown
to do a meeting, to the West Village to
go drinking or to an airport to go
somewhere else. So, my rides are
expensive. The average Uber Lux ride
when I joined in 2015 was 40 to 60
bucks. And this is the big tech
playbook. They underpric, they
consolidate the market with an
incredible offering. And then once
they've consolidated the market, they
raise prices faster than inflation,
which is what Uber has done. It has
raised prices 7 to 10% a year despite
inflation going up about 3 to three and
a half% a year. The result is in 2025,
the average price of an Uber Lux ride
for yours truly is somewhere between 80
and $120. So let's call it a hundred
bucks. So do the math. I have been
spending, no joke, $35,000 a year on
Uber. And before you say, yeah,
privileged. Yeah, I guilty. And my point
is is that you don't realize how much
money you're spending on these things
because they raise their prices. You get
used to them and they make it
frictionless such that it is so easy to
spend money. Back to your question, uh I
own stock in Apple and Amazon and Amazon
is my big tech stock pick of 2026. I
have owned these stocks since 2009.
So to sell them would incur an
extraordinary capital gain. But at the
same time, if I'm going to walk the
walk, do I really want to finance these
companies? Do I want to send a signal?
So I am contemplating selling down or
selling my positions in these companies.
I've not done it yet because, and this
is a good problem, these companies are
up 10 20x, meaning that basically the
entire sale amount is going to be
taxable. So I try to be very careful
about having an emotional reaction. At
the same time, I need to walk the walk.
I'm going to unsubscribe or cancel
something every day. I think it's
amazing how many things you have that
you didn't know you had. I have three
different chat GPT accounts. I'm not
even talking about canceling all of
them, but you know, I had a family
meeting. Family meeting. I love those.
That's my basically my boys rolling
their eyes and me lecturing at them and
saying, "Someday you'll respect me." And
I said, "We're going to cancel our
streaming media." Told them about what I
was doing. And they're like, "Yeah,
yeah, we're not." And they're like, "No,
we're not canceling our streaming
media." I'm like, "Okay, I'll let you
keep one." And of course, the argument
broke out from going, "We have six
streaming media platforms. We're going
to one. I'm not suggesting you give up
everything, but if you're a subscriber
to Anthropic or Chat GPT, pick one.
Could you do without Amazon Prime for a
month? Could you take more cabs or could
you eat local and not use Amazon
Grocery?" I mean, there's just a ton of
different subscription services you
could do away with. And one, I think
you're going to find you're going to
save money. I think it hits these firms
really, really hard. My next thing
that'll be pretty easy just to
unsubscribe from Apple TV. By the way,
these companies have have increased
their prices 20 to 40% just over the
last two or three years. And the soft
tissue of corporate America or the soft
tissue of Trump is that he responds to
the markets. The only time he has pulled
back is not because of protests or the
courts. The only time or quote unquote a
co-equal branch of government. The only
time he has pulled back is when interest
rates spike or the S&P goes down. What
is our best shot at the S&P going down?
Simple. go after the subscription
services of the companies that represent
40% of the S&P and that is if you cancel
Chat GPT at 20 bucks a month they're pro
offering that's $240 right okay it's not
a lot of money but say you decided not
to buy groceries Kroger's trades at.3
times revenues open AI trades at 40
times revenues what does that mean that
means that every dollar that goes to
Chat GPT results in about $130 in market
value. Put another way, you could buy
$30,000 less groceries. The average home
spends $6,000 on groceries. Meaning five
homes, American homes, could take all of
their grocery spending down to zero and
I guess plant gardens and figure out a
way to survive. And it would have the
same impact on the markets as one person
canceling their chat GPT subscription.
So, I'm suggesting we focus on pulling
the string that might have a real impact
on the markets, which is the only thing
that Trump listens to. But back to your
original question, I am going to do
something involving my stocks and my
capital to try and send a signal to
these companies and these financial
institutions that they need to speak up
before it is too [music] late. And if
you're interested in joining us, please
go to resistandunsubscribe.com.
Again, that's resistandunscribe.com. and
we've tried to make it really easy with
links for you to investigate which big
tech subscriptions you can easily cancel
without much impact on your day-to-day
life. We'll be right back after a quick
break.
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>> Welcome back. Question number three. Hi
Scott, my question is about the value of
focusing on one project [music] and how
elastic one's focus should be. Due to my
ambition and FOMO, I've spent most of my
life managing or building multiple
projects at the same time. A full-time
career, a couple small businesses,
investing, thought, leadership, etc.
I've had an epiphany that maybe my
outcomes have been worse than if I just
focused on doing one of those things
really well. I see you as someone who
has many pots cooking at the same time,
but it seems like they all use the same
ingredients. For example, the content
you create for Prof Media becomes a
book, newsletter, and a section course.
What are your thoughts on focus, how
liberal one's focus should be, and if
finding synergies between projects is
essential to making them all work? Or
maybe you think people should just have
one successful project before expanding
into others.
>> Uh yeah, a secret weapon that most
people don't take advantage of is focus.
And that is I'll give an example. I hate
side hustles. There was a trend around
side hustles. Everybody needs all young
people need a side hustle to make some
extra money. If you're spending a lot of
time on side hustles, it means you need
to find a different main hustle. And I
think your job in your 20s is not to
find your passion, but to find something
you're really good at and then double
down on it and focus on it and try and
become one of the 10 top 10% of that
profession with an objective of within
10 years being in the top 1%. I think
it's okay to workshop stuff if you don't
love your main gig. You got to make some
money. You want to investigate some
other things. You want to dip your toes
in water. But as soon as you find
something where you think I could be in
the top 10% in three years and the top
1% in 10 years, I think you go all in on
it. Now what I've done is I've basically
gone allin on one function and leveraged
a superpower. Now what is that function?
I've gone allin on storytelling and that
is I create a lot of content where I try
and find data uh couch it in a
entertaining, humorous, provocative,
irreverent way. That is what I do.
That's my super power. That's my focus.
The majority of my day is around
creating content that is entertaining
and educational. Now, my superpower is
finding really talented people that
scale that focus. We have a graphics
team. We have a video team. I was just
talking to a woman who runs our company,
Katherine Dylan, who I've been working
with for 15 years, and she's saying, "We
need more people on the video team." I'm
like, "Go ahead, make a full another
full-time hire. We have probably 25
full-time people and another half a
dozen contractors working at ProfG G to
try and scale my focus and each of them
has their own focus. Katherine's a great
manager. She's very good with people but
she also is very good on the creative
side. Billy runs our video group. Drew
is our tech guy. So what I would suggest
is find someone close to you who
understands business and say this is all
I'm doing. Should I pair a couple of
these things? And pairing is really
important. So for example, I don't go on
boards for longer than four years and
I'm now much more disciplined around
okay this sounds interesting but what am
I going to get from it? How is it going
to advance? I try and set corporate
objectives financial objectives every
year objectives around my relationships
mostly around my boys and then I run
almost every decision or allocation of
time and I used to say yes to goddamn
everything. You know the sexist word in
the English language is no. So, the
problem most people have is not what
they say yes to, but what they say no
to. And what I would suggest is you just
do an audit and have some friends help
you and say, "What am I really good at?
What would pay the most dividends if it
got into the top 10 or 1%." And then
quite frankly, try to outsource or clear
everything else off those decks. Now, if
you haven't figured that out, dancing in
different parties might make sense to
see which one gets traction, but at some
point you should be totally focused on
one thing. And then success is a series
of small acts of discipline every day.
If you're doing financial content on
TikTok, you need to put out one, two,
three pieces of content every day. It's
like investing. Small acts of discipline
every day. A few bucks every day adds up
to millions by the time you're my age.
So what are we going to do? We're going
to build a kitchen cabinet of people.
You're going to describe very honestly
and openly all the things you're doing,
what's working, what isn't. Ask them
where you should be focusing or if you
should be focusing. And then you're
going to be very disciplined about
doubling down and putting all of your
human capital into that one thing such
that you can be in the top 10 or the top
1%. And then you're going to get really
good at saying no such you free up more
human capital to provide the artillery
and the ammunition to be exceptionally
focused. That's all for this episode. If
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The video discusses various topics including Trump's trade policies, particularly towards Canada, and the impact of big tech companies on consumers and investment. It also touches upon the value of focus in professional life and the strategy of synergizing projects. The speaker argues that Trump's actions against Canada are economically unsound and driven by a flawed understanding of trade. The discussion then shifts to the speaker's personal decision to unsubscribe from big tech services, highlighting how these companies incrementally increase prices and become embedded in users' lives. The speaker contemplates selling stocks in these companies due to capital gains but emphasizes the importance of sending a signal by reducing patronage. Finally, the importance of focus and discipline in achieving professional success is stressed, advocating for specialization and saying 'no' to distractions.
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