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>> Hey.

>> What's up, brother? So, your boy Tommy

was awesome. Good.

>> He was really cool.

>> Yeah. I actually listened on the way out

to that one.

>> He's really fun. Tommy Lee is fun.

>> He's like a big kid, man. A big kid.

>> Yeah. like a 15-year-old that just

never, you know, had all the way up.

Well, he got famous when he was 18, so

he really never had to grow up. He just

stayed Tommy Lee.

>> Yeah. I'm glad you finally got to uh

have him on.

>> It was very cool.

>> So, it was good.

>> It's weird that he's he's really into

bonsai trees.

>> Oh, big time.

>> Crazy.

>> Trims them up. He's

>> got likeundred yard.

>> His uh you make them yourself, too.

>> His yard, he'll he sets up like a whole

like zen garden type of thing. It's

pretty wild. But he's he's been into

those and he likes to trim them up and

uh you know it's pretty pretty wild. He

he's just he's a positive energy nice

guy. Like he's never never been in my

you know uh what do you want to say

interactions with him never he's never

been a dick. Never

I just he was cool to work for.

>> Well I only worked I I met him rather

when you were working with him when you

were his bodyguard and then uh this is

the other time I met him. So he was

super cool.

>> Nice. Good. I remember him on his car

with his dick.

>> His pecker's as tall as you are.

>> I remember him with his [ __ ] huge

dick with Pamel Anderson. He's He's got

a lot of advantages in this life,

doesn't he?

>> Good lord. Good lord. Godamn.

>> Same person.

>> And one of the greatest drummers of all

time. That was like one of the first sex

tapes.

>> Oh, yeah. That was probably the first

celebrities. actual celebrities allowed

them to get famous afterwards.

>> Well, they were already famous. That was

why it was crazy. Both of them were

super famous,

>> right? But I mean, allow like they keep

to catapult them into like a different

stratosphere,

>> right? Well, anytime one of them

celebrities is dating another celebrity,

they it's like their [ __ ] superpowers

unite.

>> He was with Heather Lleier, too, right?

>> Was it? Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. I mean, he was a fun dude. The the

the trees thing is wild though. I didn't

know that these people, they have like

hundredy old trees, 200 year old trees,

300-y old bonsai trees, and they pass

them down through generations. They have

like paperwork. So, you know, like who's

the guy who first started the tree and

they've got these trees that are like

several hundred years old and they're

like this big and they're in like a pot.

It's all like an artistic thing. They're

trimming them in certain patterns and

every time they try to grow, you trim

them down and they just like tighten up

and it makes a weird form.

>> Yeah. It comes out straight.

>> They're pretty cool looking. Actually,

>> I wonder if the tree likes it, though.

>> She's like, "Hey, [ __ ]

>> I'm 300 years old. I'm 16 in tall. This

is retarded."

>> I think for him though, he's had such a

crazy high pace life. That

>> the yin to the yang. You know what I

mean? That's how he relaxes.

>> I loved hearing it. It sounded perfect.

I was like, "Oh, you found a great

thing."

>> And you see he's a gear head, too, like

you. So, you guys had a little

>> Yeah. He was talking about

>> bonding on the cars.

>> First cars he bought, he bought a an old

Corvette. It was he got a [ __ ]

supercharger put on it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a He's a maniac.

He's definitely a maniac. But he's a

very nice. I mean,

>> rock and roll, man. I mean, the guy was

the the drummer for Mly Crew. I don't

can't even at 18. Can't even imagine

what that must have been like.

>> Must have been insane.

>> A lot of these guys, they don't want to

stop touring all these rock and roll

stuff.

>> Why would they want to?

that adrenaline. But some of them should

though some of them some of them I saw

some clips. Who the [ __ ] was it?

>> David Lee Roth.

>> No, I think it was the guy from AC/DC.

>> Brian Johnson.

>> I don't know if it's that great. Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's bad,

>> dude. AC/DC. My favorite one of my

favorite alltime bands and Brian Johnson

struggling. I mean, but that screaming

style he has.

>> How do you keep that going? Like no

acting or vocal coach would ever tell

you you could sing like that.

>> I don't think so. You just can't sing

like that.

>> You can't [ __ ] scream like that.

>> I wonder if they get like 60-year-old

groupies.

>> 100%. 100%y

old grouping that flame lit.

>> Oh my god.

>> They've been keeping that flame lit

since the 80s.

>> [ __ ] course.

>> But do they have like new groupies

though?

>> Of course. Of course. You know, there's

no way they don't. Like doesn't

What's his What the What is What is his

name? Um, Jesus Christ.

>> What? Rolling Stones.

>> I forget what it was.

>> MC Jagger.

>> Well, I know MC Jagger has a kid that's

really young. Like MC Jagger just had a

kid like really recently. Really?

>> Yeah.

>> He's like in his 80s.

>> I was thinking of someone else though.

Someone else is is another Oh, there's a

bunch of guys like that. Like Aluccino

just

>> Oh, yeah. That's true. True. True.

>> But a lot of older guys like that, they

wind up having kids. Like they're still

obviously getting young chicks to [ __ ]

them. It's kind of irresponsible though.

>> I mean, but maybe it's crazy.

>> You hope he's gonna take care of the

kid, but maybe it's the young chick that

wants the kid, you know, worse. But it's

still, if you did it on purpose, if

you're the guy and you did it on

purpose, that's wild.

>> I don't even want to be around. I'm just

going to have this kid at 80.

>> It's more important that my jeans pass

on that I be there for my child.

>> Think about that. By the time you're 85,

you're probably gone.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. By the time you're 85,

>> you won't even see your kid go to

school.

>> You'll be 5 years old. And the you know,

the kid will be 5 years old and the dad

dies.

>> Maybe the maybe the wife wanted it. You

know, you leave something behind type of

thing. You know,

>> it maybe it's better than not doing it.

Maybe.

>> Yeah.

>> But also, if you're a [ __ ] rational

80-year-old like, bro, you barely have

time to take care of yourself. You can't

even keep your own [ __ ] in your pants.

>> You're going to raise a kid both

your diapers.

>> You're going to take the kid to the park

and watch changing the kids diapers and

yours.

Bro, you're going to break a hip and

your toddler is going to be screaming

and no one will hear it, right?

>> And you're going to be alone with them

at the park and you're going be lying

there bleeding internally from a broken

hip

>> and the kid's going to walk off and

you're going to watch the kid

>> 5 years old. Yeah.

>> Three-year-old wander off and you're 80.

That's nuts.

>> Oh yeah. By the way, Longo, you got him

upset because he's he's like, "Man, I've

been feeling good." He's like, "I'm, you

know, I'm at the gym every day and I go

[ __ ] I I turn on Rogan and he's he's

bitching about being 58." I'm like,

"What the fuck?"

>> He's 68.

>> Oh.

>> So basically like he's like, "I [ __ ] the

[ __ ] He's complaining about being 58.

He's 68. He looks great. He looks

[ __ ] looks real good. Looks great.

He's got dark ass hair, right?

>> I know, right?

>> He don't have he don't have a Ronald

Reagan hair.

>> He's looking He's looking He's looking

good.

>> That's great." And then he asked me

about a what the [ __ ]

Ronald Reagan had dark hair like deep

into like the 70s.

>> My [ __ ] is all white. If I grew my if I

had hair and I grew it out, it'd be all

gray.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. Mostly.

>> It's like my face like my like my

stubble. It's like at least 60% gray.

>> Yeah. Mine is all gray now.

>> It's weird. There's something about a

gray beard that's like you're just

saying [ __ ] it.

>> Yeah. That's why that's why that's why I

just started trimming it down. I was

like, yo, this is ridiculous. Yeah.

>> Yeah. I don't like the way it looks.

When I see myself in the mirror with a

gray beard, I'm like, "Who the [ __ ] are

you?"

>> Yeah,

>> you're supposed to have a dark beard

>> for sure.

>> I had a dark beard most of my life.

>> I'm looking at the pictures from like

like a couple years ago and it's dark

now. It's all gray. Like, what the [ __ ]

happened?

>> They had a thing on A&E with me and

George and they had they showed a clip

of me and you talking. I still we both

had hair.

>> I [ __ ]

>> Yeah, we It looked crazy now. You you

look you what? You're just slowly

slipping into the grave.

>> We're looking good though. Holding it

down as long as we can.

>> Yes. Compared to people that don't take

care of themselves and also compared to

people from the past. That's what I'm

saying. They didn't have TR,

>> you know, red light therapy.

>> But think about like in the 80s what 40

year olds look like in the 80s.

>> Yeah. They were

>> And I think uh the like martial arts

also helps. Like we just had a a an

event Henzo's 30th anniversary for his

academy in the US.

>> That was great.

>> And they invited all the OGs. So we, you

know, we were I has seen guys I hadn't

seen in decades.

>> Got a fifth degree.

>> But yeah, I got Matt got look at that.

>> That's amazing.

>> And uh I mean we were talking like

almost everybody looked good. everybody.

Everybody and there was

>> Well, if you continue to train 60 guys

there,

>> it's the thing is you you got to

maintain and if you don't maintain,

you're never getting it back.

>> You don't you don't get you can't like

at 50, you can't take three years off

like

it's just too hard to get back.

>> And if you never worked out before and

you're like 46 and you're starting now,

like

>> it's tough.

>> That's a hard road, man. You never

worked out before. Like, first of all,

go slow.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> You got to break everything.

>> Well, that's the problem. People want to

jump right in and then you get hurt or

get busted up a little bit and then it

just defeats, you know what I mean?

You're like, "Fuck this." Which is the

big shape, not get injured.

>> The big reality about age is how long it

takes to heal something.

>> Yeah, it does.

>> My kids get hurt. They just [ __ ] heal

up like Wolverine. It's nuts.

>> Like within a few days. Oh, my

shoulder's fine again. Like you [ __ ]

just did a backflip and landed on your

shoulder. You're all right. I would be

[ __ ] up for a year. They just they

just heal quicker. They have they're

alive.

>> I mean, it's it's It's the [ __ ]

truth. That's the truth, man. That's the

number one thing that happens as you get

older.

>> If you're lifers like us, you just got

to be smart about your training.

>> Like, you know, I got young savages. I

don't want I don't [ __ ] I I'm I

choose who I want to roll with. Like,

you know what I mean?

>> You don't got to be that guy to [ __ ]

just slay everybody on the mat because

you're the Sensei.

>> You're going to break. You'll break. You

You know, it's like you you have a

Corvette, you take it around the track,

you can only do so many laps. Every car,

even Formula 1 cars that cost $100

million, whatever they break. You can

only go so far, so fast, so long before

you blow a rod, you got some [ __ ] goes

sideways. Everybody I know has had

surgery. Like everybody, everybody.

>> Like for me, like when I'm in Philly

with the crew, Brady and Piper and them,

like it's hard being in a room with

these guys cuz they want to grab you and

do moves on you. And I'm like, "Yo,

chill out, man. Let's grab one of the

younger guys."

>> Bro, the last guy you want grabbing you

is Brady.

>> Yeah. Jesus Christ.

>> Gets on top of you and just starts

squeezing you will grip. His that

[ __ ] fight with Buckley. I was like,

"Holy [ __ ] man."

>> He raged,

>> bro. Was it was the the the level of

domination was like shocking. I was

like, "Okay, so this is his best form."

Like this is him at his best. At his

best is [ __ ] terri. He's a little

inconsistent. Like he's the Morales

fight was tough, but when and he said

it's like his head wasn't in it, but

when his [ __ ] head is in it and he's

like dialed in

>> for sure, man. He's like when he grabs

you,

>> bro.

>> Like he'll squeeze you and you just

start making like little noise like

>> when he did a Leon and what he did did

to you're like, "Holy [ __ ] man. What is

that like?"

>> That was beautiful.

>> Beautiful.

>> As explosive an athlete as

>> the like everywhere they went, he was

just following them one step ahead. It

was like no escape.

>> Yeah. Yeah. He don't want you out, man.

>> Smush.

>> Yeah. His back is so big. He just gets

so much coverage over you when he's on

top of you.

>> And the balance. It's just every he just

like so many steps ahead of them on the

ground.

>> The one time it really looked like a

cardio drill. Like he was on top like he

was just it would look like he was just

getting like placid face super calm.

>> I believe where they were he wasn't

allowed to do the 12 to six elbows.

>> Oh, that's so crazy. That's where I

right or wrong. Something like that.

>> So there's I think Jersey is still like

that, right? Yeah.

>> There's a lot of places that are like

that, man. It's so dumb.

>> That are still using the old unified

rules.

>> It's so dumb. Like that that rule

doesn't make any sense.

>> It would be nice.

>> I get it if you if it's, you know,

soccer kicks. Okay, you want to have a

debate? But if you can elbow this way

and this way and this way, but you can't

go this way, that's just [ __ ]

>> And everybody else is doing it, so why

would you not do it?

>> It doesn't make sense. And you have to

remember what state you're in. That's

the problem.

>> So, like when you're in the fight and

you're on instinct and the guy's like

this, but it's wide open for a 126

elbow. You're supposed to throw it.

That's what it's for.

>> Yeah. For safety's sake and the

fighter's abil and the referee's ability

to make a decision have consistency in

the rule set.

>> It's just another elbow. It doesn't make

any sense. Like this one elbow that's

outlawed. That's crazy,

>> right?

>> I don't know why.

>> You can you can knee the hell out of

somebody in their face.

You can jump. You can run and jump and

kneel in the face.

>> Oh god. And some of the craziest

knockouts we've ever seen come from

that. Like we were just talking about

Mazvidal versus Askin the other night.

>> Oh man.

>> Hey, he's supposed to be wrestling

again.

>> But is that is that a good idea?

>> No.

>> I saw him talking the other day.

>> Yeah, that freaked me out when I heard

that

>> when he was talking. and he was coughing

a lot and I'm like do you listen when

you're people who are athletes

they're afraid of wrestling because it's

exhausting they don't want to feel that

that burn in their lungs you really want

to push yourself like that

>> I worry about I just don't want him to

get

>> totally with you I mean he had double

lung transplant surgery like how long

ago

>> that was like a year ago

>> a year ago

>> maybe two years ago maybe two years ago

>> I'd be worried even just about infection

>> I'd be worried about everything and I

would also be worried If you're doing

that, I think you have to take

amunosuppressant

drugs in order to keep someone else's

organs inside of you.

>> So, you're going to go out into a giant

crowd of people.

>> My friend CT Fletcher, you know, CT

Fletcher CT had a heart transplant and

uh he has to take medication to keep

this heart in his body, keep his body

from rejecting it. And he has a bunch of

complications from the medication like

makes him swell. and he posts videos and

pictures about like it's a serious thing

and he had to be real careful during CO

like you have a heart transplant and

then you're on imunosuppressant drugs

and then all a sudden or a bad flu like

anything bad will [ __ ] kill you cuz

your immune system is working in a weird

way cuz it's trying to keep someone

else's heart inside of you.

>> Yeah. Your body's like, "Who's this

[ __ ] heart? This is not our heart.

Get it out." Your body's like, "This is

a disease."

>> Which is wild that your body knows.

>> Yeah. like it recognizes that it's from

another

>> and we're just like no we can we can

hack nature shove it in there and give

you some drugs that make your body stay

alive. I think it was Bal Muhammad used.

>> Maybe he has like an agreement like,

"Hey, listen, man.

>> Didn't they used to train together?"

Right?

>> They did used to train together.

>> So, they're friends. Maybe that's the

deal.

>> Dude, we were just reading about this

last night. Two people have had pig

hearts transplanted in their bodies.

>> No way.

>> Yeah. One guy stayed alive, I think, for

60 days, and one guy stayed alive for 40

days.

>> Did they gain a lot of weight?

Did

>> they become fatties? They start put

shoveling their face in the trash. So,

uh, so wait, they tell whose idea was it

to put a pig heart in another human

being?

>> Uh, there's a a bunch of doctors cuz

apparently pig's hearts for some reason

uh are similar in function to a human

heart.

>> Say that about a sheep's vagina,

>> don't they?

>> Don't they?

>> They do.

>> I I'm no farmer, but that's what I

heard.

>> That's what I heard, too. So a pig's

heart.

>> Yeah.

>> And that's [ __ ] That's [ __ ] crazy,

man.

>> It's crazy. And so they did it on two

people.

>> Yeah. But either way, the whole thing of

transplanting organs from other people

is like super risky and dangerous. And

once it's working, the the number of

like we looked at heart transplants. I

don't know what it is for lung double

lung transplants, but it look you look

at mortality over a period of years. And

so it's like 91% of the people survived

the first year. And then it starts and

then it starts going down. So 9% of the

people die after the heart transplant.

But then it starts to go down after you

know that's for the first year. When it

gets to five years then you're in the

80s or the 90s and then the 80s and it

keeps dipping. It keeps dipping until

like at 10 years it's like half of them

are dead.

>> Jesus.

>> Yeah. So you're buying some time,

>> right?

>> But you know it's hard though. What

about other

>> It's a good question. Like so what is it

like for double lung transplant? I don't

know, but I would imagine it's fragile.

>> You want to you want to put that in the

[ __ ] red? You want to push that where

you're breathing heavy? It felt like

yesterday he was making laps around the

hospital floor and that's a a dude.

>> Well, he's a winner, right? And that's

the problem. Like sometimes when you're

a winner, your your will is so strong

that you think you could force your body

into unrealistic expectations.

>> There's got to be some agreement or

something. Yeah.

>> Like I just in my mind too,

>> but a good dude.

>> He cheated. He I mean he basically you

cheated death.

>> Yes.

>> Your family now you have your family

back. You understand you have a second

chance.

>> Like why would you put that at risk to

do something?

>> Maybe him and you have nothing to prove

>> have like a friendly what's kind of

>> wrestling role kind of friendly

wrestling. I don't think that though

he's an animal aspirin a [ __ ] animal.

>> I I don't think that they have an

agreement with each other. I think that

somebody told Bal, hey listen man, don't

push this dude. Well, he said like I saw

an interview where he said like his

first question was what are you talking

about? Can he wrestle?

>> You know what I mean? Has he even been

cleared? So

>> I I would I would not accept that if I

was Balo. I'd be like the the pros don't

go. And this is no disrespect to Ascin.

It's like I think that guy's an animal.

Like I was one of the biggest promoters

of trying to get Askin into the UFC when

he was the champion of Bellator and the

AR and then when he went over to one and

the argument was like he was boring and

I was like no he's not boring. It's

crazy that he could do this to these

guys.

>> Yeah. He could take guys like Douglas

Lima and just ragd doll to the ground

and they can't do [ __ ] to him. Corus

remember he did to him?

>> Yeah. Yeah. He wasn't he wasn't boring

at all. He was destroying guys these

guys. They had zero chance in him not

taking them down. It was zero chance and

it was beautiful,

>> right?

>> It wasn't like Alex Pereira flying knee

and somebody in the face, but it's still

another way to win.

>> It was like a man and a child.

>> Yes. It was crazy good. He was crazy

good. And then we got him like a little

late, right? We got him when he already

had hip problems and he eventually had

to get a hip replacement after he got

out of the UFC. You know, he had already

been 15 years in combat sports and then

all the years of wrestling and like but

those days when he was running [ __ ] at

Bellator, he was a [ __ ] dude.

He was a [ __ ]

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His fight with Damen Mia was [ __ ]

awesome.

>> Amazing fight.

>> That's a great No, the beautiful thing

about that fight is

>> they're both It's almost like the

closest thing to Style Vers Style that

we could have nowadays where, you know,

they're both so um brilliant at the way

they use their art with him with his

wrestling and him with his jiu-jitsu.

And in that fight,

>> you got you got to see some of that with

with Ben. You got to see the takedowns.

You got to see an Uma Plat reversal. uh

and a leg lock ashi reversal. I mean,

beautiful jiu-jitsu.

>> It was just such a It was such a great

fight,

>> dude. Dame got [ __ ] harder than

anybody ever got [ __ ] by a referee's

decision.

>> Kamar ever. Nobody got [ __ ] harder

than Damian.

>> Was it her? Who was it?

>> I don't know. And maybe we shouldn't

even pull her name up.

>> I can't do my boys like that, man. I got

to see them. I want to think I don't

remember the I don't remember who it was

but I think it was a guy who doesn't do

it in the UFC anymore but he had him on

his back one hook in over under. He had

gotten to a position where like you are

[ __ ] you're dry and you got the best

back specialist in the UFC. Damian Maya

was a the way he ran through Neil Magna

you're like holy [ __ ] man

>> his jiujitsu is so high level and for

you to get off get him off and Kamaro's

one loss

>> right was to

>> naked Alex's brother

>> so it's like how many years ago was that

like and now you're fighting Damen Mia

and he's got your back you're in danger

like you're in danger and the referee

separated him and so never got to that

spot again Camaro played it nice he

fought a great fight won the fight and

you're like damn Damn, Damen had him.

>> He had him in a like not nine out of 10,

but he had him in like a six out of 10

spot for him.

>> Yeah.

>> Like half the time he gets your back and

you're dry and you're not at his level

of jiu-jitsu. You're in [ __ ] You

should never You could You should never

separate anybody from that position. I

know you're a big proponent of not

standing people up, but especially

positions that it requires time to get

to.

>> 100%. 100%. The idea that a guy can

defend it for a few seconds and the

crowd booze and that's enough for you to

make him neutral again. [ __ ] you. I

know. It's so hard to get the toamaru

to give his back like that.

>> And the tightness is what keeps that

position, you know, any space he makes

and Kamaru's gone.

>> Name the amount of times in the history

of Kamaru's entire all the years of

competition where people got him in

disadvantageous grappling positions.

>> Right. I can't think of.

>> There's very few. Very few. Leonard

for a moment. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Chamay. But even Chamay, he was winning

the third round.

>> Oh, well he

almost won that fight.

>> It came like that a fight where I he won

the last half.

>> But here he is. Here he is. This is

crazy.

>> Oh [ __ ] Do I need head shot?

>> Who is that matter?

>> All right.

>> So that sucks. Back it up again so you

can see how good the position was a

little further.

>> That hook.

>> Can you get it a little further back?

>> Yeah. Here. So I I want to see it like

when he starts entangling. This is so

bad for Kamaro. You have to understand

how bad this is.

>> Yeah, this is bad.

>> This is a This is not just simply he's

like behind you

>> and Maya had that the progression like

it was.

>> He was just about to beat that wizard,

>> bro. Look how good this looks too. Maya

is just a gorilla.

>> His wrestling was underestimated too.

like he was

>> so he was technical in everything

>> and his use of leverage and the his

positioning was always perfect.

>> It just was so beautiful to watch when

you see a guy just super highlevel

jiu-jitsu in the UFC just like oh my god

this is beautiful to watch.

>> Yeah. I love how methodical he's working

his way his way into this

>> dangerous man.

OH MY GOD. HE WAS GONNA step in there.

Look at this. That arm is the only thing

>> and he's just about to beat that arm.

>> And not only that, from here he could

just start beating him up with the right

hand, which he'll probably start doing.

>> So if the referee really stands him up

from this position,

>> like this is a this is a crazy way to

separate people.

>> This is bad, man. This is like for

tomorrow. This is super dangerous.

>> Still got half the round left.

>> Hanging on to that whizzer for dear life

is the only thing from keeping him from

getting this guy on your neck. how you

trying to trip.

>> And that whizzer is like at 40% power

now because look how far back he is.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Not much into that.

>> Yeah. There's not much.

>> It's hard. It's hard to generate power

like that with Camaro. I mean, he's got

full double under hooks.

>> How do they break this up?

>> How do you break this up? This is crazy

to break up.

>> Like this is such a dangerous position.

>> Oh, this is bad. I don't recognize the

ref.

>> Yeah, I can't remember. I I recognize

I'm not going to say his name. There's

no need to. But this is a giant mistake.

>> You're clear, Herb.

>> Sometimes with Herb, though, it's all

right.

>> Sometimes in fights, man, these guys

listen to the crowd.

>> Yeah, it's it's kind of hard not to,

right? And they feel responsible.

>> Yeah, they do. And then the

organization, I'm sure they feel

pressure because the organization wants

like fast action fights. But there's

certain situations where you you got to

just accept the fact that sometimes this

sport is not the most exciting for

moments because it's so exciting in

other spots.

>> Oh, that's crazy right there. [ __ ]

crazy. That's crazy. That's the worst

[ __ ] over that anybody's ever gotten in

the UFC.

>> I mean,

>> I think that's the worst. I mean, there

is the time that [ __ ] Bamante had to

get two submissions. That's a pretty big

[ __ ] Maya reminds me of his striking

wasn't as good as Marillo's, but the

combination of wrestling and and his

jiu-jitsu, like once he got a hold of

you, he was probably going to put you

out.

>> Yeah. Merilla was so good.

>> He's still coming around. He's got a

fighter in the UFC now.

>> Nice.

>> Does he? That's awesome.

>> Yeah.

>> I saw him when I first started jiu-jitsu

at Carlson Graciey's place.

>> Did you?

>> Yeah. The very first year that I started

jiu-jitsu, it was like him. Vtor was

there, Sergio Cohen, um, uh, Mario

Sperry. It was crazy. Like I just

stumbled, I just

lucked out and wound up watching these

guys train when like Vtor was about to

make his UFC debut. I was just starting

out. I was like, "This is amazing." You

>> seen all them guys in there,

>> dude? They were all in there, man. You

could just come in off the street and

see the best jiu-jitsu guys in the world

training.

>> That's crazy. It was crazy. And it was

all they were they were all fighting in

um there was the other guy. What's his

name?

>> Carlos Bakto.

That's right. Carlos Betto. He was there

too.

>> There was a bunch of those Carlson

Gracie team guys there. We just got

lucky that this was the place that

>> Yeah, man.

>> Randleman.

>> Yeah.

>> Built like a He-Man figure.

>> Carlson had some savages, man. He really

had a a great team.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It was back then.

>> Oh, that's that's where I got my black

belt from.

>> Laboro. Yeah. Hell yeah. That's another

guy to be proud of. He is a good guy.

>> Such a nice guy.

>> Yeah. It's like uh it's kind of amazing

when you realize that before 1993,

jiu-jitsu had no schools,

>> right?

>> And now and now they're everywhere.

>> Every corner.

>> Everywhere. That is grounds.

Insane. Like the Gracie family. Like the

world owes them.

>> Yeah. No, there's no doubt about it.

>> owes them. The world, the whole world,

>> the world is impacted. Like, think of

the world.

>> The world, the whole world.

>> Yeah. Everybody

>> because I think liking MMA has impacted

culture and then people training much

more people training in jiu-jitsu has

impacted culture.

>> Hell yeah.

>> Where the [ __ ] would we be if

>> the UFC's here because of the Gracies as

well. I mean, obviously the Fertitas and

Dana, but

started the whole thing. He wanted to

have a crocodile mode AROUND IT.

IT'S

>> AMAZING.

I remember hearing about it in 1992 with

Horian and Hoist, the seminar I went to,

and they were talking about that. They

were talking about the different ideas

what they were going to do. And I I even

though I didn't think they were full of

[ __ ] I thought it was never going to

happen. I'm like, what is this? Blood

Sport on TV. They're going to be

fighting. It sounded ridiculous. But now

everybody's so used to it, it sounds

ridiculous that it sounds ridiculous.

Like when I when I first found out about

it, I didn't watch it until it was UFC 2

cuz I will only watch it on videotape.

Like somebody from the gym told me about

it and I went and watched it. I got the

video tape like Hollywood video, brought

it home and I was like, oh my god, they

did it.

>> They did. That's what I thought. So you

like, oh, they off No, they did the

thing that we always wanted.

>> So when I was when I first started style

>> Yeah. I first started taking karate and

I thought karate was good until I

stumbled into this really good taekwondo

school and I was like oh taekwondo is

[ __ ] and then I started boxing I'm like

oh my god I can't box and then I started

kickboxing I'm like oh my god you kick

my legs I didn't know you can kick my

legs like this is terrible and then I

started doing jiu-jitsu like oh my god

I'm helpless so it's like all these

steps along the way I was like it would

have been nice if we knew what style was

real and this is what Bruce Lee tried

and

>> bro when I was starting out in like 88

doing taekwondo nobody knew nothing

nobody knew what worked everybody just

like saw that guy beats people in that

thing and that guy beat I wonder what

would happen if they fought. No one

knew. They thought I saw wrestling was

worthless. Grappling arts were

worthless.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, luckily I I learned it was not

worthless in high school when I got my

ass kicked.

>> Me too, man. Pract on a [ __ ] wooden

dummy to ch

my ass.

>> But that's all I know. And uh every time

I do a real scrap, I'd go back to my

season of eighth grade wrestling.

>> That's the case. But I also think that

Wing Chong would work if you knew all

the other like Anderson Silva can use

Wing Chong,

>> right?

>> You know what I'm saying? A lot of hand

trapping.

>> Yeah. There's hand trapping and elbows

from him. T there's stuff that does work

if you know all the other [ __ ] It's an

added element, right?

>> It's like there's mo there's moves that

you could do that you're just your

opponent's not going to your opponent is

used to this, right? They're used to

punches like regular punches. every now

and then weird [ __ ] can work because

they don't see it coming and then it

opens up other big shots and Wing Chong

can those guys when you watch the really

good ones like whack at each other's

arms and [ __ ] you're like okay there's

like a little value in this there's a

little value in getting good at this as

long as you know how to actually punch

>> yeah I don't dismiss nothing because

anything can work in the right context

>> it's just not gonna work on Terren

Crawford

not a boxing match against Terence

Crawford is

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT is working

against him anyway.

>> Not much.

>> No one has figured that out. No one has

figured that out yet. Not much.

>> Listen, you could have fun with it, but

as far as value,

>> I'd say very little value.

>> Very little because it's only valuable

if you're going to be doing the other

stuff.

>> Yeah. If you're going to do that, you

might as well be doing Muay Thai,

western boxing, or jiu-jitsu.

>> No. No. I for sure by itself useless.

But what I think is if you already are

doing other stuff and you could train

with a guy who can show you some of it,

>> I think you would be like, "Oh, I see

value in this." Like,

>> do you remember when uh Dan Henderson

was fighting Hector Lumbard and he hit

him with like a back elbow standing?

>> It was like or back forearm. It was an

elbow or I think it was an elbow.

>> Yeah, I think he like threw a punch and

>> came back [ __ ] sometimes. You ever see

people do standing back fist sometimes

and they work?

>> There's some [ __ ] that we're missing.

Yeah.

>> And like I think Wing Chong is a part of

it.

>> Yeah, I agree with that. Like especially

like when you're in close like in

clinching positions, you're just like

trapping hands. Bam. Bam.

>> You know what I think is the number one

thing that people need should be doing?

The number one thing that people should

be doing is point fighting karate.

>> It's like you want to add something. I

mean, not obviously not number one over

wrestling and all that, but number one

thing to add, don't add Wing Chong. Add

point fighting karate. But it's so but

it's such a physical thing that a lot of

people probably can't do. Especially if

you come from a wrestling background who

where you're so used to being like heavy

and square to be able to turn sideways

jump in and out like that.

>> But if you can do it that advantage is

so hu when you watch like MVP when he's

in his [ __ ] prime.

>> That's so funny. I when he hit the sh

bullet the uh

>> Yeah. But the thing about Yeah. back

elbow. Crazy. Damn.

>> What a beautiful elbow from a wrestling

position.

>> Yeah.

>> Let me see that again.

>> How did he land it? So, yeah, he had his

leg. Look at that. He's holding his leg.

>> And he catches it. Look at the [ __ ]

elbow. Oh, right.

>> Fantastic. What a [ __ ] el. That's one

of the greatest elbows of all time.

>> Underappreciated elbow right there

>> to c get a knockout elbow while you're

hopping on one leg.

>> Yeah, that's crazy. fighting off the

takedown.

>> Yeah,

>> that was nasty.

>> Nasty.

>> Wasn't chunk.

>> But what I was getting to is these guys

like MVP. That advantage is so huge. The

advantage of being Wonder Boy in his

prime,

>> bro. That advantage is so nuts.

>> Well, I So I I watch videos of people

doing it online. I'm like, if you could

do that in an MMA fight, no one will

catch you, right?

>> It's you'll be in and out before they

catch you.

>> Closest to it.

>> Serial gone.

>> It's true. serial gun is not a point

fighting karate guy. He's a Muay Thai,

but he's a basketball player. And we

were talking about this the other day,

like what better sport to develop

plyometrics and the ability to change

direction than basketball. You're

constantly changing direction and

they're big men.

>> Then why can't basketball players fight?

>> They're the worst fighters on the planet

cuz they don't train.

>> That's true.

>> Just cuz they don't train. But serial

gone, you look at the way he moves. Like

he moves like a basketball player can

move, but he's 250 lbs and he's a

heavyweight and he can [ __ ] strike.

>> Yeah. I remember I used to train Walt

Harris who was a pretty good basketball

player and I used to always try to tell

him, "Man, it's the same thing. Your

pivots are the same. You got to be able

to move, change directions. It's the

same thing." But as a heavyweight, it

also comes with being lazy. Yes.

>> Those guys are just lazy.

>> Well, it's harder to do.

>> Hey, [ __ ] you, Dean.

>> It's harder to move all that weight,

right? It's like It's hard to get a 248

pound guy to move like Sir Gone. There's

not a whole lot of them. We were just

talking about it the other day. I think

it's an underappreciated thing because

we're used to lighterweight fighters

moving like that, but like name I'm like

name one. Name one guy at heavyweight

who moves like that. You know who used

to you know who used to was the dark

horse of the heavyweight division?

Travis [ __ ] Brown. When Travis Brown

was in his prime, he was a bad

[ __ ] dude. And he moved light.

He was a big tall dude and he moved

light. Arlosski used to

>> he just had some he had some you know

wars and they take their toll on you.

But if you go back to like Travis Brown

in his heyday when he was knocking

people out with those elbows from the

clinch and the way he would move like he

would move like super light on his feet

like bouncing around and I think it was

cuz he played basketball.

>> It's got to be it

>> 100%. It makes sense

>> cuz I know Travis played basketball.

>> Yeah. You know, he's when you get a big

athlete that's light on their feet,

that's a giant advantage.

>> Yeah, it is.

>> Because you only needs one entrance that

you didn't anticipate when you get

popped and now you're compromised.

>> And getting that first step and being

able to get a clean shot,

>> dude. Those karate point guy, I've only

fought a couple of karate point fights

when I was a kid. When I was doing

taekwondo tournaments, we' enter into

them and I I fought this one guy that

was like, his name was Mafia Holloway.

He was like a champion. I couldn't even

touch him. I couldn't even get close to

him. His first name was Mafia.

>> Mafia Holloway. He was a very famous I

don't know if it was his real name, but

that's what his name was back in the

day. He was like a well-known black belt

point fighting champion. I couldn't even

touch him.

>> I was like, Jesus, we're playing totally

different games. I'm playing a

continuous fighting game which where you

you're you know, you fight in Taekwondo

for a certain amount of minutes and he's

playing this thing where you stop every

time they hit you and so you can't hit

him and he keeps hitting you and it's

just stop stop. It's like so

frustrating. But I remember leaving

going, "Oo, I need to learn that." Like,

that's crazy. I didn't know you could

move that quick and just jump out of

there the way he's doing it. I'm like,

and you think about like these guys that

fight him, like Kevin Holland that fight

MVP. Yeah. After a while, they're like,

"What the [ __ ] is this?"

>> Yeah, for real. He was in his corner

saying that. Like, I how do I I can't

>> He's quicker than I thought.

>> What am I doing here? This is nuts. You

You just can't do anything to him. And

he's styling on you.

>> Yeah. Yeah, that's why when I trained

Tyron to fight uh Steven Thompson,

Wonderboy, we did. So I was I knew the

mistake that everybody was making. They

were using just regular tall kickboxers.

>> I went to karate schools

>> and we got just karate kids that did

that for him to spar with.

>> And I was like I was like I was like I

was like don't worry about takedowns. We

don't even need to get there.

>> Just be able to deal with this movement

and his length and being able to deal

with that because it's different.

>> What is this? Mafia Hollow.

>> Oh [ __ ]

>> Yeah,

>> he's got a crazy kick here, right?

>> Dude was very good. There is. He was

very good. He didn't get me with that.

>> He got me with a couple of side kicks to

the body though. I tell you that. I was

very impressed. I was impressed by the

speed in which he was able to like move

forward and back cuz the that darting in

and just tagging each other speed is a

totally different speed than like

continuous fighting speed. Because

continuous fighting speed, you would

assume that if the guy's hitting you

that you're going to counter and you're

going to exchange. And what these guys

are used to is you never exchange. They

just pop you. They pop you and they get

the [ __ ] out of there.

>> And that's that's a asset in MMA.

>> Giant asset.

>> You can just knock somebody out. That's

>> giant asset. It's a giant asset. Also,

if like if you try to play their game,

you should just try to play their game

just to realize how hard it is and

you're like, "Oh, this is a crazy. This

is a different thing. This is all about

the blitz. It's all about the entry."

They switch stances at will too.

>> At will. Yeah, at will. You know, but I

think all the good guys do now. I think

that's going to be a prerequis There's

too many calf kickers out there.

>> You got to be able to switch.

>> True.

>> Do you guys watch one? You watch uh

kickboxing in one. Did you see uh

Jonathan Hagerty and Yukiza?

>> Uh it wasn't good for Hagerty, was it?

>> No, he won. He figured him out. Hagerty

was

>> He's the guy that beat that dude that

was wrecking everybody with He's a

double guy. He's Well, he's just a

full-on Muay Thai guy, but he beat him

by continuous movement and switching

stances.

>> Oh, right. [ __ ] I think I did. I did

see that.

Really technical fight. Like, if you

really like striking, it's a really

technical fight. He did an amazing job

of just constantly giving him different

looks and switching stances and moving

and then catching him in exchanges. And

dude, it was [ __ ] beautiful because

Yoza crushes everybody's legs. It was

really sweet.

>> He just kept switching stances.

>> Just kept switching stances. And he did

a lot of great boxing from the outside,

too. It was just But he never gave him

the same look over. See that? Like,

>> look at that.

>> And then knees to the body. A lot of

knees to the body. It was beautiful.

Brilliant fight.

>> I was just uh chatting with him on

Instagram. I'm going to try to get him

on.

>> Nice.

>> Bring him to America. Like, it's This is

what Zufa should be promoting, you know?

I mean, I know they love boxing. That's

awesome. I'm glad they're doing that.

But you know, this is it.

>> Yeah.

>> If you want another thing that's really

exciting, it's striking. Just have only

Muay Thai. Just have

>> I'm just surprised they haven't done

that.

>> Yeah. It doesn't make any sense cuz

that's what everybody likes to watch.

>> Everybody likes Dana said to me, I don't

know if he changed his opinion, but he

said to me that people don't like

kickboxing cuz they think of like PKA

karate from ESPN from like the 1980s.

I'm like, that's old people.

>> I don't even know what that is. people.

Young people love martial arts. Like,

young people love knockouts. Young

people boo when fights go to the ground.

They do.

>> MMA is the best. No doubt about it. It's

the greatest sport of all time. It's the

champion of sports. However, if you're

going to have some value in another

combat sport, it's Muay Thai. It's the

most exciting [ __ ] You can do the most

options. You can knee. They can throw

each other. They do all kinds of wild

kicking. You think uh Rico Verhovven's

boxing success will bring some eyes to

kickboxing at all?

>> I hope so. I'm having him on too.

>> I hope so. I hope so.

>> Great. He really phenomenal. I mean,

dude, for 10 rounds, he really

>> he was into the point where if you if

you're good judges, if the judges are

real, he Usyk needs a knockout twin.

>> Yeah. Thousand%. Which is he was up I

thought he was up by eight like eight to

one or two at the time.

>> I thought the same. A lot of people

thought the same. I mean, he was he was

bullying him around. He was moving

>> use his weight. Well, did he [ __ ] on

himself? And it was phenomenal because

he put my my style against Usyk and it

was Jim Carrey and that [ __ ] what's

the one where, you know, he come boxing

at the guys and it often looked like it

too. It was [ __ ] phenomenal. But man,

he really did amazing. I I personally

think if they rematch that now Usyk will

like kind of figured him out, so maybe

it'll happen. he'll get him faster.

Look, I hope not cuz I was rooting for

Rico. He reallyatch Rico was going to

know that he can do that. Like before

that fight, he didn't know he could do

that. And Usyk didn't know he could do

that. And the difference is Usyk is not

a real heavyweight. He's the greatest

heavyweight of all time, which is crazy,

but he's not a real heavyweight. He's

you can't say the like Tyson, in my

opinion, is always going to be my

favorite in his prime. He was just so

insane. It was so insane to watch him

just demolish the whole division. for

real.

>> But then you look at Cashes Clay and

then when he was Muhammad Ali and Larry

Holmes doesn't get his due and Lennox

Lewis was a [ __ ] beast. So maybe, you

know, who knows who would have fought,

but

>> that guy stylistically is like the

greatest heavyweight ever. Like watching

him move the the way

>> like skill for skill when you look for

skill.

>> You're watching an artist.

>> Yeah.

>> It's like the way the way he put it on

Dublon.

>> Oh my god.

>> He's incred. He's still a really a 220

lb guy. Yeah.

>> You know, like he puts on some extra

weight. He gets a little he was a little

thicker for that fight,

>> but you know,

>> Rico's huge.

>> He's a giant.

>> Rico's a giant He's a giant guy from the

Netherlands.

>> That's a Is that where he's from? That's

a real heavy Dutch. Another Dutch

kickboxer. They're all giants.

>> They're all tough as what he like 65

270. 260.

>> He's got crazy cardio, too, for a big

giant guy. was bouncing on. I mean, he

was for 10 rounds, he kept that pace as

a heavyweight, keeping that pace. And

then once he slowed, you know, that's

when Usyk was able to find him.

>> Did you watch it, Matt?

>> I can't watch I I have a hard time

watching anything but [ __ ] mixed

martial arts. I I love jiu-jitsu.

>> I love jiu-jitsu. I Yeah. Well, you

know, Star Wars.

>> I saw the new He-Man movie, by the way.

>> How was it?

>> It was [ __ ] good.

>> Really?

>> The Masters of the Universe was good. I

was worried cuz I'm thinking all the new

reboots and this and that. I go, is it

going to be too woke? Is it going to be

this? It was [ __ ] fun. It had a uh

Thor Ragnarok type feel where it's just

kind of fun and a little goofy, but not

to the point where it's just takes you

out of it. You know what it is? I grew

up with that He-Man. That was my that

was my I was a kid around our age,

right? So, it did justice to that. like,

you know, it made it made it fun. It was

>> Skeletor was awesome.

>> Yeah. Wasn't that Jared Letto play?

>> I heard there was like some sort of

crazy like he was wasn't allowed to do

interviews. He wasn't allowed to talk to

the rest of the cast.

>> Why?

>> Because they're worried he's going to do

nutty [ __ ] Like he when in the Joker he

was like sending people dead rats in the

mail and stuff. Oh, really? Yeah. Doing

like cuz he was he was in character, you

know?

>> [ __ ] that's wild.

>> So they were like, "Yeah, you're going

to be an evil [ __ ] Skeletor guy. No,

no. We can't let you be in character.

>> We can't contact the rest of the crew. I

don't know if that's true. That's what I

heard, but it was fun. See if that's

true.

>> No, I heard that, too. I heard um Will

Smith said something about that.

>> Yeah, I thought somebody said I thought

somebody said I know he definitely did

that with the Joker.

>> Like a rat or something. He was the

Joker. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Said, "I know you're playing the Joker,

but come on with the rat."

>> Yeah. Yeah. You would chill out. But uh

all that [ __ ]

>> there's some dudes that played the Joker

and you're like, "All right, it's over."

>> Hey, I heard

>> like when Heath Ledger played the Joker,

like everybody stopped.

>> Yeah,

>> that's the Joker.

>> Yeah. Yeah. He can't come back after

that

>> until we Phoenix.

>> Yeah. He Well, he's a great

>> I saw that. I was like, "Okay, now

that's the Joker."

>> Yeah. Yeah. And then you saw then you

saw the sequel and you said, "Fuck that.

Bring back

>> I didn't see the sequel." Tim Tim Dylan

told me it was the worst movie that's

ever been made.

>> Everybody said that it like I I didn't

see it either. I didn't make it.

>> I didn't watch it.

>> If I was guessing, he probably didn't

want to do it.

>> I don't know what they were thinking

with that.

I bet it was like a dispute between like

the movie company and the dude

>> I don't know who directed it. Why would

you do that so much?

>> Unless you're trying to mock it or

you're trying to diffuse it. Maybe the

government was like, "Hey, after you

released that movie, we had the BLM

riots and everybody was lighting LA on

fire. Hey, maybe don't have a movie

where you're encouraging people to like

light cities on fire. Maybe make a

musical."

So crazy.

>> They try to diffuse the Joker movement

with a musical.

>> It's funny how the first if I never seen

a I mean sequels aren't normally as good

as the original, but holy [ __ ] I never

seen something so bad I didn't make it

through it. I saw some of it and then

I'm like once I started singing I'm like

I'm out of this mother.

>> It's very rare where where a sequel

you're like damn that's just as good.

>> Well, Terminator 2, Empire Strikes Back,

>> those are a couple.

>> Those are a couple. Rocky too.

>> You didn't like Rocky too

[ __ ] obviously.

>> Why did he take it to the zoo in the

beginning?

>> Why? I never can get over that.

>> I like the zoo.

>> The other the whole

>> go stare at the giraffe.

>> The whole the whole joke was that be

that mean bodyguard saying take it to

the zoo. The retards like the zoo. And

then he takes her to the [ __ ] zoo to

propose to her. Is that not crazy?

>> Yeah, that is.

>> But that's how people were in the 70s.

They were animals.

But he he's basically just saying that,

right? You're right.

>> Before the internet,

>> man. Doing movie reviews on your

channel.

>> Oh, you trying to plug my channel?

>> No. Well, I'm saying GIVE ME SOMETHING

ABOUT IT.

>> YEAH. NO, I JUST WANT TO TALK A GOOD

MOVIE on because like

when Hey,

>> you know WHAT I'M WATCHING ON THERE? I

do I do series reactions. It or movies

reactions. Are you watching the new

House of Dragon?

>> No, I'm not yet. There's too many things

to watch. Let me tell you something.

>> I'm [ __ ] I'm in the middle of From.

>> I I that's I want to talk to you about

that, too.

>> My wife My wife's mad at from.

>> You know what?

>> Don't tell me why.

>> It might be ahead of me.

>> I'm on season 4, episode five, I think.

I think is it five?

>> Oh, there's only four.

>> Four.

>> And then the fifth one is the final

season. It doesn't come out until 2027,

so don't tell me. Shoot. All right. All

right.

>> Hey, House of Dragon. Now, look, I love

Game of Thrones. The Night of the Seven

Kingdoms was phenomenal. And House of

Dragons out of all of them is the one I

like the least because it's a lot of

just gloom and doom. It's a you all the

characters are pricks. They're all a

bunch of [ __ ] wacky talking.

>> Yeah, there's no one to like.

>> Exactly.

>> No one's noble.

>> But this one, this third season is

[ __ ] I watch Yeah, I do the reactions

on my channel. Thanks, Dean.

>> What is the channel?

>> The Matt Sarah channel on YouTube.

>> Look at this. He's

>> He's contemplating.

>> Oh, that's me.

>> It's like he's contemplating House of

the Dragons. No, no. You know what this

is? Do you ever see Mystery Science

Theater? That That was like mystery on

your head.

>> Yeah. Well, they showed the back of

their heads.

>> You're the former UFC welterweight

champion of the world and you're sitting

there with the headphones on.

>> That's great.

>> This is what I think about House of

Dragons.

>> He didn't have to. He didn't have to do

that.

>> That's 200 mg of edibles right there.

55 millig.

>> Well, you know what scene? You know what

scene I really love? when they were

trying to find Targaryenss cuz the

Targaryenss had a bunch of bastard

children. We're trying to see who's a

Targaryen. So, they put people out with

the dragons. I was I was burning them

up.

>> The prior seasons had some good scenes

like that.

>> But this season, I just watched three of

them so far. Each one of them is It's

all It's nothing but fighting now. It's

nothing about but going at it.

>> Let's go.

>> And it's [ __ ] good. Yeah. Yeah. It's

good.

>> I'm in. I watched I watched the whole

season of the whole uh all the episodes

of Game of Thrones recently. that you

went back and started

>> went back. Yeah, we watched it for like

four or five months. Watched every one

of them. And when you watch it like

every couple nights a week, like two,

three nights a week when you watching

it, it's like you you just like you

follow. You don't have to wait like

years in between seasons. It's

incredible. It's the greatest epic

adventure show in the history of the

world.

>> I tell people that all the time. I'm

like, you got to watch it. Good, dude. I

forgot how good it was. And even though

it's 10 years old, special effects are

perfect. Yeah, for sure.

>> Here's I'm going to say something I

never said in my life.

>> There's a new book I'm reading.

>> What?

>> HEY GUYS, HOLD ON. WAIT A MINUTE.

>> WAIT A MINUTE. HEY GUYS.

>> Is it a graphic novel?

>> Son of a [ __ ]

>> No, it's not. It is. Um and and all

right, I got to be honest. I'm listening

to the audio book.

>> Okay.

>> I hate when people say they're reading a

book when they really listen to the

audio book.

>> Bro, Don Rollins gave me so much [ __ ]

about that because it's not true. He's

like, "H, HOW HOW YOU READING WHEN YOU

JUST LISTENED?"

>> I'm just trying to abbreviate it. Yes, I

listened to an audio book. Sorry. I

didn't sit down and read it.

>> Rising. Red. Rising. Have you ever heard

of this?

>> No.

>> Well, you're going to document this

episode because sooner or later

someone's going to pick it up and it's

going to become either an Amazon series

or a movie. My one of my black belts,

Jedi Joey Beans, told me about this

ages.

>> What a great name.

>> Jedi Joey Beans.

>> Joey Beans.

>> Oh, Joey Beans. Savage. But Jedi Jedi

Joy Beans is a [ __ ] great name.

>> Oh, he's great. But uh he likes all the

[ __ ] I'm into. So he told me about this.

>> I'm going to write it down. What is it

called again?

>> Red Rising.

>> All right, that's it. And uh I'll tell

you, I don't know how many books there

are, but I'm listening to the first one

and I'm like more than halfway through

and it's

>> What's it about?

>> Uh

set in future on Mars.

>> Whoa.

Red Rising is a 2014 dis dystopian

dystopian

>> science fiction novel.

>> You guys are a bunch of [ __ ] bullies.

First of all,

>> you guys are a bunch of [ __ ] This is

why I got

my short

>> telling us he's reading.

>> My short friend the first book telling

us he's reading and dystopian comes out.

>> Somebody else read it.

>> Bunch of pricks. But hey, listen to me.

This is This is a great book. This is a

great book. Uh

>> and I like getting into something new.

>> Well, how long is the book?

>> No, that's regular coffee. There's a

cop. If you want coffee, coffee.

>> You know what that would be?

>> Unless you want a little baby.

>> I was trying to figure out what you're

going to do with that.

>> I didn't know what I was doing.

>> I'm a caffeine.

>> I'm down for that. I'm down for that.

>> Yeah, the Red Rising, man. That was

really good. Pass me that pass that

coffee, man.

>> It's like uh Game of Thrones in space,

you know?

>> I'm in. I'm in. Oh, you know what?

started watching because of you guys

that uh Battlestar Galactica.

>> [ __ ] great.

>> I'm like I'm I'm I'm only on the first

season. There's like 20 episodes a

season. I'm like I'm I'm like 10 in

right now.

>> Yeah, that was a Sci-Fi Channel, bro.

That show was so underrated. So

underrated. Like to this day, if you go

back and watch Battlestar Galactica, the

entire series, it's [ __ ] incredible.

>> Very good.

>> The new one, not the old one.

The original high or demand.

>> That's right. Here's one I'm going to

recommend. And you can watch it with

your wife or by yourself, whatever you

want to do.

>> Porn.

>> What's that?

>> Say porn.

>> Well, by yourself.

>> Um, Widow's Bay.

>> WIDOW'S BAY.

>> WHAT IS THAT?

>> Apple TV comes out with some [ __ ]

bangers.

>> Bangers.

>> Sil silo is another great one. But, uh,

Widow's Bay, it's this very rare. It's

about an island that's kind of cursed

and a May is trying to get it to become

like the next [ __ ] uh, Martha's

Vineyard, whatever that is. And he and

you know this is it.

>> Oh, that guy that guy was in The Beast

Within. This is great, bro. That guy's

in another great [ __ ] series that

also might be Apple.

>> It's It might be.

>> It's very rare that something I don't

like like my family's a bunch of ghouls

except for my oldest. They like all the

horror [ __ ] I'm not into it, but this

it's very rare. I like spooky [ __ ] So,

it's like spooky, but it's [ __ ]

funny. The charact it's It's got like a

quirky type humor to it. And I I was

[ __ ] dying. I was nice. The Beast in

Me is another one. It was uh what was it

on?

>> Netflix. It's on Netflix. It's still on

Netflix. Um it's a series and it's about

an author and this [ __ ] psychotic guy

that is a rich guy who lives in her

neighborhood. I don't want to tell you

any more than that. The

>> movie

I saw that

>> Claire Danes and that guy Matthew. You

watched that show?

>> I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it.

>> Dude, it's [ __ ] good. It is [ __ ] Claire

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>> You'd have no idea. There's [ __ ]

There's no way you're going to tell the

lip quiver,

>> bro. She could lie her ass off. She's

She's fantastic on that. It got 98% on

Rotten Tomatoes. That's how good it is.

It's a great show.

>> The Beast in Me.

>> Yeah. There's too much [ __ ] to watch.

>> There's so much I just started The Pit,

so I'm like and I'm and I'm late on

that. though.

>> What's the pit

>> about the um the ER room in Pittsburgh?

>> Um

>> yeah, he plays a doctor in the ER room.

It's really good though.

>> Okay,

>> there's something I'm into for a while,

then I just [ __ ] fall off.

>> I never heard of it. There's too many

shows.

>> Yeah, I did that with Land Man. After a

while, I'm just like

>> new season of Land Man's good.

>> I don't give a [ __ ] about the [ __ ]

wife and the daughters annoying me. Like

>> my favorite she plays to strip her wife.

Well,

>> after a while, it's just like all right.

I go, they get to some interesting [ __ ]

with like the cartels after them and

then they're, oh, let's take the old

seniors out to the strip joint. It's

like,

here we go. Oh, the wife's being

outrageous again, right?

>> It's like I mean, it's true.

>> I mean, I don't got my ADD. I can't take

it.

>> That's funny.

>> Now, that was my problem with it, too. I

thought that the the women were like

caricatures of women.

>> Yeah. Come on, man.

>> And who's who's cheering their daughter

on

>> basically to be a hoe? I want to know. I

was kind of like this too much. I have a

question though if you guys all seen it.

Why does the why do they live together?

Like the uh the the other lawyer and why

do they all live with Billy Bob Thornton

and his family?

>> That's a plot point.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. There's no other reason why.

>> Yeah. Because there's only one house on

the ranch or something. I don't know.

Cuz I'm just like they all have to live

in the one house. It's his office and

his home basically.

It makes it fun. But isn't he making a

lot of money? Like what are we doing?

Shouldn't all of them be making a lot of

money?

>> Yeah, you would think his lawyer be

making big bank, you know.

>> Well, now he's got to be making money

because, you know, he's running the

company. Spoiler alert.

>> Right. Right.

>> So, he's making more money.

>> Yeah. She's making sure they're eating

their vegetables and

gets mad about any anything. I love

Billy Bob though. Billy Bob in that show

is so good.

>> He makes

He is the Taylor said that he wouldn't

even made the show if it wasn't for

Billy. Really?

>> He went to Billy with the idea. He goes,

"I'm not going to make this if you're

not going to be in it."

>> He made the show. I thought Andy Garcia

was good in it, too.

>> Oh, Andy Garcia great.

>> He's great in everything.

>> Yeah.

>> You ever see Things to Do in Denver when

you're dead?

>> Longo loves that lemon,

>> dude. That's a great [ __ ] movie. I

like

>> I hate that movie. I never

loves that [ __ ] movie.

>> I'm with you. I'm with you, Ray. I'm

with you.

>> LEMON.

>> MICHAEL LOVES IT.

>> I I listen, in all fairness, in all

honesty, I haven't seen it in decades,

but when I saw it, I loved it. Yeah,

>> but the problem is sometimes you go back

and you try to watch one of them movies

like

wrong with me. This movie sucks. A fat

one.

>> There's a bunch of movies like that. You

try to watch them. They're terrible.

>> Yeah.

>> Sometimes it's just better better off

remembering how good they used to be.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the impact you

were just a more naive person before the

internet. And

>> true. I watched one of the worst movies

that was so [ __ ] good that it was

bad. It was uh rowdy. Right. Rowdy.

Rowdy Ry rowdy

>> rowdy rotty piper.

>> Rowdy how

>> rowdy rody piper.

>> Yes.

>> He was

>> 100 milligrams.

>> We saw him last night too. Joey

>> Joey. That's right.

>> Hell comes to Frogs Town.

>> Let's see that. Now, it's a it's a it's

a combination of say like Mad Max, like

a post-apocalyptic thing, and Escape

from New York, where in the future,

Rowdy, Rody is the only guy who's not

[ __ ] sterile. Everybody else is

sterile. So,

>> same everybody's chasing him for it. So

they have to like it starts off when

he's in like a [ __ ] general's he's in

like a a room cuz he got caught with the

general's daughter and [ __ ] they put

a they put a um a jock strap on him with

explosives

and he has to

>> he has to do a frog.

>> Yeah. Oh yeah. Yo, so he has his mission

is to go to this frog's town and there's

a herum there and he's got to impregnate

everybody

>> or else they're going to [ __ ] blow

him up.

>> Sounds like a horrible job.

>> This is crazy. This movie,

>> what a movie.

>> Oh yeah. No.

>> Oh my god.

>> You can't unsee it. So he cut out Frog

Town. This is amazing.

>> He cut out halfway through things to do

in Denver when you're dead.