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>> Water. [music]

>> I'll stick with the water for now. Never

figured out how to do the coffee thing.

>> You never figured out coffee?

>> No.

>> Really?

>> Do tea things.

>> Well,

>> drink tea. Tea's probably better for

you, I guess. But man, it's so hard to

know. Well, here I'll ask you because

you're a health expert. [laughter]

>> How convenient.

>> Because there's all this uh conflicting

information about coffee. Like some

people say coffee is really good for

you. It's like an amazing antioxidant

and it's all these positive health

benefits. And other people say no, it

dehydrates you. It's bad for you. It's

too much caffeine. It's bad for your

What do you think?

>> I mean, I think this is one of the next

advancements of humankind. We're going

to stop demonizing anything nature's

provided and we're start looking at our

relationship to it instead. And I think

it's fundamentally your relationship to

coffee that's going to determine whether

it's a health benefit or detrimental to

who you are. There's been so many fad

diets, so many fad moments, and the

science has never supported any of it.

The science is always looking at the

human system as if it's an isolated

system, then studies the impact of a

chemical, caffeine, or otherwise on it.

you're not an isolated system. And so if

coffee is part of a complex ecosystem of

your microbiome, the soil systems of

your body, then it's going to

supercharge you into health. But if

coffee sits there as a drug that is

bypassing the felt sense of being human,

then you're probably undermining your

your potential to be alive fully, and

it's it's becoming a distraction to

life. or you're doing your best to be a

good office worker, [laughter]

>> which is why they it's the one drug they

provide at work.

>> Exactly. If you're committed to

machine-like behavior, it's your best

asset.

>> It is kind of interesting that caffeine

is the one drug that is provided at most

offices.

>> I would say that that's indirectly true.

I think that uh the the one drug that's

most provided at offices is actually

performance-based machine-like reward

systems.

>> Okay. So human ingrained drugs.

>> Yeah. The the brain is contains every

every neurochemical you'd want to

control behavior.

>> And so we've created office environments

that reward machine-like behavior for

150 years. And so this is how we've

ended up looking like we do as a

humankind.

>> Yeah. Very bizarre pattern that we found

ourselves in that was created to make

better office workers. So we've molded

human behavior around office work. We've

molded human behavior around the one

thing that people really for the most

part don't want to be doing which is

>> yeah I was blessed [snorts] to sit by

thousands of death beds as my third sub

specialy in medicine was hospice sat by

thousands of death beds and not a single

person ever told me a day of their life

in an office and they just don't even

remember it. It's

>> right

>> it consumed 40 hours a week of their

life and and it just is a it can't

compute. It doesn't integrate into your

soul experience at the end of things.

>> Yeah. Even if you're making a ton of

money, like at the end of the day,

you're still locked up for eight hours a

day doing something you probably don't

want to do. You know,

>> we're getting into a big piece right

here. Like this is really the secret of

everything is when did humans become

abstract? When did we stop being living

systems?

So, do you think that that's just our

ego, our delusions that allow us to

think that we're not a system? That

we're just this is me. I'm Mike. I know

what I'm doing. I'm just going to drink

my coffee and go to go to work cuz

that's what you do. You have a job, you

get it done, and then there's like these

narratives that get reinforced in the

media. Like the guy who shows up for

work every day doing a job that sucks,

that guy's a hero, right? We love those

guys.

>> That's it. That's it. And you're the guy

that writes poetry and sits in his

backyard. Ah, [ __ ] hippie.

>> You know that nerd duell, he's not

unless he sells a bunch of books and

then we're like, the guy was a genius,

you know, then he's going to rest

Thompson. [laughter]

>> I think what you said about the

relationship to coffee is really

important because I think that could be

the case with virtually everything in

life. You know, like there's you could

get addicted to almost anything and you

could use something anything as a crutch

whether it's so many people use food. I

mean, food is probably like one of the

biggest ones humans use. You don't feel

good, have some [ __ ] food. You eat

some food you don't want. You shouldn't

be eating, but you're like, "Fuck it.

I'm having ringings. I'm tired. Today

sucked at work. You know, I'm having a

hot dog on the way home."

>> Right.

>> That's exactly right. And I think that's

why you you've you've done 2,800

podcasts or something like this. You've

been at this for 16 years

and I think this podcast is ready for

the most disruptive conversation that's

ever been had. I think

>> is that this one right here?

>> That's this one.

>> Okay. What's the most disruptive thing

that you could say in the most

disruptive conversation that's ever been

had?

>> Everything is perfect.

>> What does that mean?

>> It means that everything that's

happening right now is actually a

perfect manifestation of a maturation of

a species.

We don't actually have, you know, a poly

crisis going on. We've got a hospice

moment. And the joy that I had as a

hospice doctor was so different than

when I was running ICUs and battling

against death and [clears throat]

failing against death every day. You

change your perspective for a moment as

a doctor and you suddenly are sitting by

somebody's bed and the victory is no

longer staying alive longer. It's

integrating everything that's happened.

And I got to watch over and over again

how humans at that last few minutes of

life suddenly look back and realize

their life was perfect. And I think

that's the exciting moment we're in is

we're going to move past this polarized

state of human perspective where we keep

flipping the victim perpetrator code and

we use the savior mentality to keep that

victim perpetrator coin flipping to keep

a mirage going. And we can get into why

we created the Mirage in the first

place, but in the hospice moment, you

suddenly put that coin down and somebody

starts dipping across the veil of the

limited five senses of their brain and

they start feeling an ecstatic moment

where they realize, "Oh my god, the

whole thing was poetically perfect. all

of the heartbreak, all of the

estrangement, all of the disappointment,

all the insecurity.

I did that for the experience and I felt

everything. I felt everything a human

can feel.

And you get to see somebody who just a

moment ago really thought their life was

a failure. You know, difficult time with

their kids, never became successful in

their jobs, and they suddenly realized

it had nothing to do with any of those

metrics. It had to do with the

experience of feeling everything a human

being is capable of, which is probably

one of the most unique experiences a

soul can have. We are a very strange

species for the limitations of our

perception. And for that, we get to feel

a lot. And that's really blessed. And

so, I think we're moving towards this

moment as a species now. We've we're on

our hospice bed and we've been here

300,000 years in our current form. We've

been given our hospice diagnosis. We got

a few decades left in this current form.

At that moment when we put down that

victim perpetrator polarized sense of

like he's right, she's wrong, she's

right, he's wrong, we set that coin

down, we're going to suddenly have a

hospice moment where everything suddenly

makes sense and we understand why we did

the journey together. We realize that

those that we thought were our enemies

or the biggest problems of our lives

were holding polarity to a human

experience. I was waiting for our

deathbed moment because about 10% of

hospice patients don't die. They get

discharged and go on to live a new life.

>> This is a wonderful perspective if

sociopaths weren't real.

So the the problem is there there is an

aspect of our society where there are

human beings whose minds don't function

uh in a harmonious manner with other

people and they're not going to change.

Like this is who they are and they've

been doing this their entire life and

they're out on the street and

>> they've sat across from you right here.

>> I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we had a guy

in the studio that cut a guy's head off

after the podcast. He killed a guy and

cut his head off. So, there's work that

I do with my friend Josh Dubin. He used

to work for the Innocence Project and

now he works for the Ike Pearl Mutter

Center for Legal Justice and it's all

wrongly incarcerated people and getting

them out of jail and spends a incredible

amount of his own resources helping

people. And through this podcast, a

bunch of people have been released. So

he wanted to do a podcast episode where

he had one of the guys who had been in

prison. He was guilty, but he had given

been given an extraordinarily long

sentence and it was it was wrong. And he

comes on and he tells about his

experience and he got released early,

but he did like 25 years in jail for um

I believe it was something along the

lines of drug dealing and maybe some

sort of an assault, but 25 years of his

life when he was a young kid. He does

the podcast and then afterwards goes and

visits this guy that apparently he had a

beef with, kills him, cuts his head off,

puts him in a soup, like puts a wig on,

tries to escape in the hallway like

through the cameras. I guess he doesn't

understand HD cameras cuz they haven't

been around for 25 years.

You know, he's sitting right there, you

know, couple weeks later cutting a guy's

head off. Yeah, you're going to this

idea that everything's perfect. It's not

perfect for the guy who got his head cut

off. You know what I mean? It's not

perfect for a person who becomes victim

to these sociopaths that are amongst us.

If uh everybody was just a person and

everybody was genuinely trying to like

do better in life, uh I would agree. But

I would think that this is uh a part of

this bizarre

experience that we're all going through

as a species. And I agree with you that

there's a lot of things changing and

there's a a narrative that exists about

what it means to be a person that's

entirely based up on what we described

earlier. It's based on office work. Like

it's b it's based on nonsense. It's

based on 401k plans. It's not based on

human experiences. And it's really dumb.

It's not it doesn't help any. And

everybody gets to the end and I'm sure

you know this more than anybody. They

get to the end and they never say, "I

wish I worked more."

>> Never.

>> Never. Never.

And you know, I know you love what you

do. I [clears throat] I know you love

what you do. And um I think that is the

the true way to live life in a

harmonious way. Find a thing where it's

even work is not really work. It's just

stuff that you enjoy doing that's

interesting that you're required to do,

but while you do it, you love it. That's

what we should all strive for. and um

this [ __ ] programming that we've done

to children from the time they were

young telling them that you know you're

going to have to get some boring ass job

and and doom they would like have it

hang over your head like one day you're

going to be 18 and then you're going to

have to get a job. Oh [ __ ] And if you

don't go to college it's going to be a

terrible job. Oh no. It's just this

we've been programmed that like one of

the things that keeps coming up about AI

is the concept of uh universal basic

income or what Elon likes to say

universal high income that we're all

going to just have money for food and

money for housing and you're going to

have this incredibly

rich society where there's so much money

that no one really has to work anymore.

And so then you're gonna have to find

purpose doing something that you enjoy.

And that sounds crazy to people. That

sounds so insane like like I'm gonna

have to figure out what to do with my

life and I don't need to work for money

anymore because if you're if the

government just gives everyone in the

country a half a million dollars a year.

What do you The idea that you can't

figure out what to do with your time is

really nuts. That is a failure of ed our

education system for sure because we

haven't taught people to be curious and

to find all these cool things and to

find new people and go to interesting

places and experience life. No, we've

only told them about a bunch of numbers

that you don't even feel. You know, you

don't even feel the numbers. The numbers

go up, they go down, you don't even

notice it, but you feel everything as a

person. Everywhere you go, all the new

people you meet, all the new experiences

you have, you feel all of them. And for

whatever weird reason, we've been

tricked into thinking that numbers are

more valuable than the feelings. Numbers

that you don't even feel.

>> You've just nailed the most important

message for humanity. This you just

nailed the most important message.

Feeling is the only relevant thing to a

human body. And we got stuck only.

>> We got stuck with numbers. We got stuck

with number as soon as they figured out

soon as they figured out how to make

money and put it in banks and then now

in the the cloud. Soon as they gave us a

number to fixate on, we're like, "Oh,

the number." It's so It's so weird. It's

such a weird thing that people haven't

figured out that that's a bad way to

live. And maybe that will be part of the

process with this whole technological

innovation,

this this crazy moment in history that

we're at right now with AI where we

really for the first time have no idea

what the world's going to look like in

10 years. We just don't know. Well,

maybe like this would be like a perfect

the two things happen at the same time

where enough people are saying this is

not what life is supposed to be about

and then this comes along and reworks

all of our infrastructure and now we no

longer need people to run things

anymore. Okay, we can go back to being

people.

That's the that's the rosy rosecolored

glasses version of it, right? I don't

even know his rose color. I think it's

inevitable. I think bodies always win.

[clears throat] There's no way a machine

ever wins this game. There's no way that

a machine that requires external energy

systems and cannot repair itself wins.

And so the whole Elon Musk future of the

planet that we've been told is a massive

distraction from the reality that's

going to be lived instead of invented.

There is only one pathway forward for

humanity now and it's biological, not

technological. We're going to start to

reverse our polarity on our belief of

what technology is. And we're going to

realize that everything at its highest

expression is biological, not chemical,

not physical. It's biological. If it's

not a living system, it loses

ultimately. The universe has been

innovating life for billions of years

because it's the most eloquent, most

elegant thing that's ever been expressed

by all of the systems, all the stacking

geometry and beauty of this universe.

It's life. That's the secret of

everything. And so, anytime anybody

comes along and says, "Here's a machine

that's going to replace human XYZ," you

can smile, thank them, and keep moving

for a biological solution. Anytime

somebody says, "Here's an IV drip.

Here's a new red [clears throat] light

that you can hang on your wall, make you

healthier," you can say, "Thank you very

much for your thought process. I'm

moving back to biological systems." Life

has been co-expressing

life

for billions of years. And it is by far

in a way the most spectacular relational

expression of nature that's occurred so

far. And so when we think of a

transhuman technologic future with chips

in the brain and artificial limbs and

all of the stuff that's unfolding right

now through the musk world, all of that

is literally an abstraction. The word

abstraction means, you know, a

disorientation that occurs when the when

the context is lost. If we continue down

this pathway that you nailed, we've been

for 150 years training children to sit

in chairs, answer multiple choice tests,

be programmed with education rather than

have experiential learning. We got so

far down that avenue that a mechanical

future feels more likely than a human

future because humans are actually

really bad at doing machine-like

behavior. We're not consistent. We're

not, you know, we don't thrive in that

space. Our health declines, our

productivity declines. Anytime you put

somebody in a cubicle, they're they're

on a downward spiral. And so all these

companies that were told you need to put

a bunch of people in cubicles and

therefore make more in 10 years than you

do now put themselves out of business by

turning humans into machines. And we're

just bad at it. And so the the rise of

this AI generation is a natural

expression of a humanity that's lost the

context of life. We've lost the context

of nature. Therefore, we're expressing

AI as a terminal state of abstraction.

>> I believe that life is the most

spectacular expression of the universe

as far as our experience, but I don't

know if this thing that we're creating

isn't another kind of life. And um I

think it might be a kind of life that we

help give birth to and then that thing

figures out how to make better versions

of itself. and um become something new.

Like I've always

equated us to like we're electronic

caterpillar that's making a cocoon. We

don't know why, but that's just what it

does. You know, the cat, you know,

caterpillars aren't talking to their

caterpillar friends and getting

schematics on how to build a cocoon and

what's the proper technique. They just

know how to do it, right? And I think

what we do with our thirst for constant

innovation, we want new electronics,

want new best stuff all the time. And we

have materialism where we're obsessed

with collecting stuff which makes you

buy new stuff. And the newest stuff, if

you want status, is the best stuff. And

what does that do? Well, it funnels in

innovation, fuels innovation because it

gives them a tremendous amount of

resources to continue to make better

stuff. And the ultimate best stuff is an

artificial life. And I think it just

might be a part of the process of being

a person. It might be what the universe

has people do. And I think we uh might

be a little silly in thinking that the

only kind of life that exists is

biological.

It just might be the only kind of life

that exists up until a certain point

when the intelligent creatures give

birth to the next version of life. But

it doesn't discount the experience of

being a human and what it what it means

to be a human and what's important about

being a human and why it's terrible to

be trapped up in a cubicle all the time.

But if Elon's right about AI creating

enough resources that we have universal

high income, like I don't know if that's

correct. It sounds crazy, but if that's

right, well, that frees up people to

just be people again. So it's like this

new life form that we're giving birth to

can handle all the stuff that we used to

do. Can handle everything. Allocation of

resources can handle shipping, move

everything around. Everything doesn't we

don't need to. No more people need to do

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what was really making people creative

and productive as that story suggests

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from the government to each individual

then we would see a really incredibly

genius, productive, creative portion of

humanity that are multigenerational

wealth.

Have you had somebody sit here who was

born into great wealth who showed that

they had way more productivity and way

more creativity than people that were

born in poverty?

>> No. Generally, it's people that were

born in poverty that have more

motivation.

>> Boom.

>> Yeah.

>> So, this promise that we're going to

create an AI revolution that's going to

give

>> a what was his word? What was the term

that Elon used? It was not

>> universal [clears throat] high income.

>> Universal high income. Yeah,

>> that sounds like a death sentence to

human creativity to me.

>> Well, it certainly could if people are

not taught at a young age how to be

motivated by their interests rather than

be motivated by money. So, you're making

the argument for being motivated by

money, which is what a lot of people are

currently, right? But that doesn't

necessarily mean that that's the only

way a human can exist. You know, there's

a bunch of different tribes all over the

world that have a bunch of different

customs. and they all agree to their

customs and there those customs are

totally different than these customs.

We've gotten into the custom of thinking

that you work for money and that's what

our ideas are based on. And so the idea

that money could come along and if you

just gave people this money it would be

the death of human creativity. Well,

that sounds counterintuitive to what you

were saying earlier because like people

should be it's the factory

mentality that's taught in schools

that's the problem. It's the way they

structure it. Because if you instead say

to a child when they're learning things

at a young age, you don't have to worry

about money. Money is not what's

important. What's important is your

expression as a human being. Let's

figure out what you're interested in.

Maybe you're really interested in

playing the piano, but you're really

interested in painting and you're really

interested in sports and you're really

interested. Find out what you're

actually interested in. We're going to

teach you how to be better at it and how

to be a better person. and we're going

to give you a bunch of really

interesting facts about life and teach

you how to think and that's what school

should be instead of setting people up

for factory jobs. So the universal

highinccome concept if that's used in

conjunction with intelligent education

education that's based on this new

paradigm that we find ourselves in that

seems like it would be a really good

thing.

It'll be a disaster for as long as money

is disconnected from life. And so giving

somebody a monetary system that does not

participate in the formation, creation,

and co-creation of life will just

further distance us from nature. And so

this is where we can start to think

about like what is money actually and we

can go down that avenue.

>> So you think like just what about people

that live in like hunter gatherer

societies? Do you think that they they

find purpose in hunting and gathering?

right?

>> They're functioning as the birthright of

humanity right there. So, I've spent a

lot of time with tribes all over the

world from Africa to South America, deep

Amazon jungle, everything else. And

anytime you're with a culture that is

still indigenous, meaning all of us are

obviously indigenous to the planet.

We're all made of her. These are her

minerals. These are this is mother earth

incarnate in my body. So, I'm as

indigenous as anybody else, but my

culture is horribly degraded in its

relationship to nature. And so when we

say there's an indigenous culture, these

tribes you're speaking to, what we're

saying is this is humans that have not

lost their context. These are humans

that have not become abstract in their

value systems or reward systems. And so

what they're functioning as there has

great evidence

>> is that humans were actually designed to

be a keystone species of keystone

species. A keystone species is

characterized by its capacity to

participate in life. Wherever a keystone

species sets its foot, there's more

biodiversity, more life force, more

ecstatic expression of beauty, more

intelligence in the natural system.

Amazon jungle is the best example of it

right now. That is a man-made forest. We

have a forest that was designed by

hundreds of nations that lived for

40,000 years in an ecosystem and planted

the largest food forests that the world

has ever seen. It is a managed forest.

And as the management started to grade,

as those those peoples were displaced or

lost, the ecosystem is returning back

towards you know a desertification cycle

which is inevitable process there. So

humans in right relationship to nature

are keystone species. You can see this

with wolves and being [clears throat]

reintroduced to Yellowstone. You can see

it with beavers down in South America.

You put white lions back in northern

South Africa. You can see it from space

in the territories where keystone

species are there. it goes green. The

microbiome of the soils increase, the

vitality of every plant increases. And

so when you're talking about these

tribes, you're talking about a human

species that's in right relationship.

And the moment money comes in as a

metric and a value system that's not

connected to life, you you fracture that

system. And I think money is not the

cause. I think money is actually a

symptom of a humanity that's lost its

its context of nature and is now way

down the pathway of abstract systems,

value systems, etc. But th this is the

case with these people that they're in

these indigenous tribes that what are

they doing? They're trading with people

and they're getting money. Like how are

they getting money? Are they selling

things?

>> They don't need money.

>> Right. But I'm saying

how does when you were saying that money

gets introduced and ruins it.

>> It's a symptom downstream. So good

example of

>> but what I was getting to were you

saying that it it gets in the way of

these the tribes? Have you seen it like

affect

>> immediately?

>> Immediately. So what what was the that

was the question like what was the what

was going on? Were they selling their

stuff? What were they trading with these

people and getting money? How were they

getting money?

>> My my new book that's just coming out is

it goes into great detail on like the

process of abstraction like how it

starts to chip away. But in the book it

it talks about my experience with the

Ashwar tribe which is the very last

indigenous culture to be introduced to

the to what we'd call industrialized

cultures.

>> So first contact was 1996.

So, we're one generation in.

>> That's crazy.

>> First contact. They're in the sacred

headarters of the Amazon, just on the

border between Ecuador and Peru,

>> deep in the jungle there. And they were

the very first indigenous peoples to

reach out to make contact. And they made

contact in 1996 with Westerners because

they as a peoples they had they live in

villages that always uh plateau at 120.

As soon as they hit 120 people, the

young men are sent out and they start

new villages. So they never live in in

groups more than 120. That has persisted

as a very effective way of resilience

and human experience for 40,000 years

there. And so they started reaching out

through dreams and dreamed a group of

Westerners into their reality, guided

them down the Amazon, everything else

through their dream work and made first

contact 1996 because for a few years

they had started to dream the end of the

world and realized the world was going

to be destroyed by their little brothers

who had lost relationship to nature. And

so they realized they had to be part of

the reconnection process. And if there

was going to be a prevention of the

great extinction, they were going to

have to help their little brothers

redream their relationship to nature.

And so they started inserting themselves

into the dreams of uh groups around the

world. And the first ones to come in uh

were traveling with uh Bill and Lynn

Twist. Uh and Lyn Twist was the one was

dreaming their faces and hearing their

voices. She was uh one of the directors

of the hunger project globally and was

working worldwide to try to stop hunger

and these indigenous faces kept

appearing in her dreams.

>> Wow.

>> And uh the a friend of hers reached out

and said, "I think you need to come to

the Amazon with me." And she's like, "I

don't is there people hungry there?" No,

there's no hunger here. They been eating

out of the forest for 40,000 years.

She's like, "Well, I don't belong there.

I'm I'm dealing with Ghana and Africa

and India, all the places where people

are starving." A few more invitations

come and she finally finds herself on a

in a on a river boat deep into the

Amazon. They have to take a break for

bathroom break. They step out on the on

the B banks and the three faces she's

been dreaming come walking out of the

woods and say, "We've been waiting for

you. It's time for contact."

[laughter]

[sighs and gasps]

Wow.

So that was 20 1996. So we're 30 years

out. And the way in which money inserted

itself first as a abstract concept was

boxed apple juices in the missionary

schools that were set up there.

>> Oh,

>> and boxed apple juice suddenly disrupted

the entire 40,000year history of

provision and abundance that that forest

had supplied those peoples. And this

high fructose corn syrup in a box with

natural flavorings, i.e.

potent chemicals to disrupt

neurochemistry was all those children

and ultimately their parents needed to

taste to suddenly break their

relationship to nature. Today they are

consider themselves impoverished. They

are working to try to get gas for their

outdoor motors that they never used.

They are trying to get more artificial

food in and everything else. And so

they've got smartphones in the in the

jungle now. They're sending their kids

out of the jungles to go to schools,

British education systems in the nearby

cities. And so it just took 30 years to

abstract a culture. And this was a

culture that had never known poverty,

had never known shortage. So much so

that one of the most beautiful things

that I experienced with them is their

houses. They build these epic houses in

the jungle. They're huge. 30 foot volted

ceilings.

>> Really

>> gorgeous. Like outdoor indoor living,

like the best of California. And they've

been building these things for 40,000

years and they burn them down every 10

years and build a new one. They have

this understanding of uh the life death

cycle of the energy of a house and they

don't want the the household to be stuck

in the same energy it's had the last 10

years. They see it as this rebirth. You

mentioned earlier the cocoon. They go

through these rebirth processes for the

whole household, the whole home. And

they move.

>> And they've been doing it that way for

thousands of years.

>> Tens of thousands of years. Wow. And so

the beautiful thing about these houses

is there's not a obviously not a

refrigerator. There's not a storage bin

for food. They wake up in the morning

for 40,000 years, walk outside and

collect what the jungle has for them

today. But it wasn't a passive process.

It was an active keystone species

process. Every family has three

different gardens that it maintains at

different microecosystems within the

forest. So that each year depending on

dry season, wet season, whatever is

happening that year, one of their

gardens is thriving. And so they have as

a people's created microecosystems

within the Amazon rainforest for tens of

thousands of years to the point that

it's now holds the most biodiversity per

meter of any other ecosystem in the

world really.

>> Wow.

>> And so we are this magnificent creature.

But if you break our relationship for a

mo moment to our natural system, then

the immediate thing that shows up before

money shows up, poverty shows up. And my

book goes into some detail as like what

are the different geometries of of

wealth and poverty. They actually hold

their own security as their own kind of

sovereign geometries within human

behavior in human minds. And what you

see with poverty is it it's this instant

reinforcement of a deep deep human wound

that must be our one shared original

wound which is we were abandoned by

nature. And the moment you believe any

aspect of that or have anything suggest

that nature it was holding back from us.

Nature wasn't giving us you taste that

that boxed apple juice that high

fructose corn syrup and the brain is me

like ah I knew there was something

better than nature. I knew there was

something better because the

neurochemistry lights up and that boxed

apple juice is just like cocaine on the

frontal lobe. And it's a bizarre thing

that high fructose corn syrup is a

bizarre thing and it's just so perfectly

exemplary of everything else we're doing

as humans cuz high fructose corn syrup

is the exact same molecule as fructose

which is the main sugar and not just

apples most the fruit that the have been

eating for all these tens of thousands

of years but it's flipped. It is the

mirror image of the actual molecule of

fructose and that does not occur in

nature. And so they chemically flipped

the molecule with chemical processing.

And the moment you flip that molecule

over, the liver cannot understand it as

a carbohydrate. It now has to process it

as an inflammatory

triglyceride.

And so instead of turning it into a

sugar, it turns it into this aberration

of a fat. And in the in the bloodstream

that now causes cardiovascular disease,

downstream inflammation of the brain,

major depression, anxiety disorders, all

kinds of things start emerging because

you just flipped reality in a mirror.

>> How did they flip it? What did they do?

>> It's chemical treatment. And so the

chemical process is called a recemic.

And so you're a recemic is the chemical

name for the mirror image of a molecule.

And so you can basically create chemical

reactions that will create the the

mirror image of the molecule. And so you

high fructose corn syrup is a a

processed food where you're taking

normal fructose and flipping the

molecule through a recemic chemical

process.

>> And why did they first start doing that?

>> Because you can patent a molecule that

doesn't exist in nature. And so they

created an quote unquote artificial

sweetener, which is actually, you know,

a profound way in which you can start to

understand how we did everything in the

pharmaceutical industry. We find plant

compounds and we flip them around so

that they're non-natural,

not native to the body and now we can

patent them and we can commercialize

them. And you know, I'm not damning

somebody else. This is me. I was I was

at the height of my career, 17 years in

academia. I was creating chemotherapy.

And so I was, you know, getting paid as

a medical doctor to sit in labs every

day with cancer cells and try to poison

them. And what I found in the end was a

family molecules that didn't require any

poisoning of the cell. They actually

nourished the cell. And that's where my

career pivoted hard was the sudden

realization of like why why are we

trying to poison these cancer cells? And

I think this is where we can begin to

like back up together. But I want to go

back to a really important point that

you held earlier because I don't want to

when I say everything is perfect because

it is. I don't want to diminish the

amount of suffering we're in. the amount

of suffering the sociopath is in who's

going to be so

extremely divorced from its natural

system that it will think it reasonable

to kill and behead somebody else. That

sociopath we can look at as the great

problem with humans. Humans would be

just fine if we didn't have sociopaths.

That was how I was trained as a

biologist and and a medical doctor. I

was trained to believe that if there

just wasn't cancer cells, we'd all be

healthy. we'd all live long if there

just wasn't cancer. And what I

discovered over time, which is anybody

who spends 17 years looking through

microscopes down in the beauty and

miraculous nature of of biology is going

to find this, but in the end, you find

out that a cancer cell is actually no

invader at all. It's actually the

loneliest cell in a human body. And so a

a human cell that loses connection and

communication with its surrounding

environment immediately takes on the

traits of a cancer cell. The longer it's

isolated, the more malignant it becomes.

The word malignant means means

life-threatening. This and I would offer

you that the sociopath is exactly the

same story. It's just one human cell

that became so isolated that it became

malignant in its behavior to life around

it. And the moment my world switched is

when I started feeding those isolated

lonely cancer cells instead of trying to

kill it, instead of trying to poison it,

instead of trying to isolate it from the

system. And then what happened was

beautiful is they actually reconnected

or they self-eliminated. And so if they

had enough metabolic capacity left at

that moment, they could repair,

regenerate, and reconnect to the greater

system and they would never threaten

life. If they were too damaged and could

not create enough energy for life at

that moment, they would go through this

gentle process called aptosis, which is

a dissolving of the cell and a stem cell

would be called in, put down a brand new

healthy cell in its place. And so when

we stop looking at cancers or sociopaths

as the one problem with a otherwise

healthy human system, we're going to

realize we don't have a healthy human

system. All of these things, the

sociopath and the cancer are long s

dived symptoms of a declining metabolic

life force. And I that's where I think I

can help you back up.

>> Yeah, I I I hear what you're saying. So

in a utopian world, no one is ever

raised in a way that would create a

psychopath. In a utopian world, children

are raised with love and understanding

always. And then you never get the

sociopaths and the psychopaths.

So in a utopian world, in a perfect

world, that's true. But humans are one

of the really cool things about us is

we're not perfect. We're very messy, you

know. So you're never going to have

great parenting across the board. If you

have human freedom, you're never going

to have people that don't lie. You're

never going to have people that don't

steal. You're always going to have

violence as long as you have human

freedom because people are not going to

be good at raising people. And some

people are going to get raised angry and

they're going to, you know, it's unless

we change what a person is, unless we

all just do mushrooms together and

kumbayad all together, we're still

people. And the problem with people is

there's never been a single time in

human history where we've been

a people with no war. Not one. Not one.

So you'd have to

>> there was one

>> when

>> King Solomon

>> King Solomon

>> during King Solomon's reign the whole

world went into peace.

>> What year was this?

>> One generation.

[sighs]

>> Uh this would have been uh you know

years after David. So you're it must be

about 2400 years ago or something like

that.

>> So how would we even know that there

weren't wars in Morocco at the time that

just they didn't hear about or that

there weren't wars in Australia or there

weren't wars? How do we know? How do we

know that there weren't wars this so

long ago?

>> But King Solomon kept one of the best,

you know, stories of humankind alive

during that time.

>> I'm sure he did, but what year was this?

>> I'd be inaccurate if I said it

precisely, but I think King David would

have been about 2400 years ago. So,

somewhere in that range.

>> What is the odds that he knows what's

going on in China?

>> Zero.

2400 years ago, there's no 5G. You're

not going on Twitter and finding out

what's happening in China. There's no

way he could know if there's war

somewhere else.

>> There was a technology beyond all of

that sitting on the planet at that time.

>> What was that?

>> Pyramids.

>> Hold on. So, you think that they use the

pyramids to find out if there's war in

China?

>> I think that we were we had a technology

called a human body at the time that was

fully used and we were fully telepathic.

you know, maybe not this recent, but

certainly further back 10,000 12,000

years ago, we were communicating much

differently.

>> Do you think people have an innate

telepathic ability that's kind of muted

a little bit by language and by talking

in media and and then if we went back to

the earliest stages of intelligence,

we kind of read each other's minds and

then we realized that's kind of messy.

Wouldn't it be better if we just talked

just I'll just tell you what I think. I

don't want to let you in. And then

>> Yeah. And then we wrote things down. So

when you write things down, you can read

other people's thoughts. But before

words, I bet we didn't think in those

terms. I bet we thought in terms of what

is that? There's a tree. There's a

person. There's a deer. This is how we

have to do this. There's probably

without words. There's probably an

understanding of like what we're saying

and feeling. That's probably what we

lost. That's probably why you get weird

feelings from certain people. You're

like, "H, I don't know about this guy."

You know, you're feeling something.

There's there's something there. You

just don't know how to measure it.

>> I think you are spot on. You could have

written my book for me. So, there's a

whole there's a whole chapter in this

book.

>> That's definitely not true. [laughter]

There's a whole chapter in there that

gives an 80,000year look at human

communication from this point of wide

openen frequency bandwidth of of

telepathic communication down to text

messages.

>> And so there's a linear decline that

happens through these different steps to

the more and more abstract ways of

communicating and when we stop feeling

each other

>> and we started like you say you begin

with tonal language before there's

words. You start to create tones that

are represented but you're still giving

a full sense. This is like me singing an

opera to you instead of like giving you

a speech.

>> And so tonal language was giving us a

full body experience where you're

listening beyond your auditory space.

>> The spoken word was where we suddenly

went straight to the mind. We were no

longer using the technology of the human

body and I was just going to speak and

this improved efficiency very quickly.

So this was the beginning of

machine-like behavior where we could

stop feeling the body and we could start

mentally processing information. And the

brain jumped in size and we start going

through all of this iterations of

efficiency and optimization maybe is the

the the way in which we create empire.

We create more control, more wealth,

whatever we were doing at the time. But

there was these advantages that looked

good as we went from tonal to spoken

word, from spoken word to written word,

from written word to digital

representations of words down to emojis.

>> Yeah. Jamie thinks emojis are the next

hieroglyphs.

>> I think he's right. I think he's got

something there, right? If they get real

good. I mean, it's kind of hieroglyphs.

It's kind of similar.

>> It's kind of similar. I would say that,

but it's the end of abstraction. So,

hieroglyphs actually carry the

information in the form. And so, the

form of those shapes. Now we've, you

know, some of the greatest minds on on

the earth are starting to recognize that

if you if you draw one of those shapes

and show it to a human mind, it creates

an incredible medical response. You can

reverse inflammation, all kinds of

things by looking at the shape because

the shape is creating ways

>> looking at the shape of certain

hieroglyphs.

>> Yeah. The shapes that are in Egyptian

hieroglyphs are now being used to to

really change human biology. We're

realizing it was it was not a symbolic

representation of something. It was a

full transmission of information.

>> Is there papers written on this?

>> So Ibrahim is uh one of the greatest

minds out there. He's out of Egypt,

Cairo, Egypt, and he's in his 80s now.

Um and I'm going to connect you with him

because you'd love to have him on on

this show.

He has been hired by large, you know,

groups and now Switzerland has hired him

now to recode their 5G network with

these shapes to improve biology and life

around the 5G network, which I think is

the future of technology is technology

is not bad. Technology is not integrated

in natural systems. And so Ibrahim is

showing us this pathway to understanding

how these original shapes that are

represented within a lot of the

hieroglyphs and things like that in

Egypt, but also really embedded in the

actual technology of the pyramids. It

was a it was a method of communication

that was beyond the human mind, beyond

it was a life force transmission. So it

was doing something to you while you're

understanding the context of what the

hieroglyphics is trying to communicate.

It's actually having a physiological

experience and anybody will have this

physiological experience even if you

don't understand the context.

>> There's no understanding involved.

>> Okay. So, you just go there, stare at

these things and you it it reduces

inflammation. Yeah.

>> Is there anything on that online? Can we

find something? Jamie, how dare you

laugh at that. [laughter]

>> Well, go deep, son.

>> I did and it

>> put on the waiters.

>> I tried everything and it said there's

no link, but I'm looking harder. Um, do

you know of a a good resource where we

could find a link to something like

this? I'd like to know how they measured

the inflammation.

>> I'm not opposed to believing that it's

possible.

>> Just look at by

this

biogeeometry.

>> This is his quote. Uh, it says, "When

two energy fields are in resonance and

exchange information, something happens

after the resonance is over. The two

systems do not go back to their original

state. A sort of vibrational

impregnation occur occurs which means

that part of the new information leaves

an imprint on the energy system. S

systems then are in constant evolution

through resonance or interaction.

Well, that certainly seems to be what

people are

>> perfect. It's a perfect ex that that

whole system is that description is a

perfect description of human beings.

>> I completely agree. Which is why it's so

important to be around positive people

and happy people. It's like really good

for you.

>> Being around [ __ ] is terrible for

you.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, and terrible for them, too,

because they're they're not attracting

any nice people because and then they're

going to continue that behavior. They're

stuck, you know.

>> But that's fascinating.

>> Are you contri are you contributing your

brain to medical science? Have you

>> Am I contributing it? And what

>> I think it'd be very interesting to

study you.

>> I would be. So there's a word that

really captures the living force of out

of that quote from Ibrahim and it it's a

word called biosis. And so the word

biosis means and refers to the

interconnected relationships that make

life possible.

Your mind is one of the funnest things

to watch and that's why everybody

watches because you come in with a

curiosity which I think is the real key

to being human cuz you looked at that

and you you immediately said that's what

being human is. Two energy fields that

can impregnate each other.

>> Yeah.

>> This podcast has been a 16-year

impregnation

inspired by your curiosity.

>> Well, it's impregnated me as well. It's

not like it's not like I'm the one

point. Yeah,

>> that's my point is you have made

yourself available to over and over

again be impregnated. You are making

your whole body system available to new

information. And a lot of the people

that are in here aren't like measured as

the smartest people on the planet and

they're not measured as the nicest

people on the planet.

You keep attracting to yourself the ones

that are going to challenge your biology

to stretch more, to grow more. You want

to grow so much that you created this

whole system for yourself. I'm intrigued

by that soul. I'm intrigued by somebody

that would magnetize a 100 million

people to themselves, not so that you

can impress other people, but so you can

receive that much information that

Ibrahim is talking about. Well, it's not

intentional. It was never on purpose.

Like the podcast was just for fun. Like

when we first start, we I don't think we

made money on it for years. It was just

fun. It was just fun to do. And in the

beginning it was just talking with my

friends and then um

>> Why would that be separate from purpose?

>> Well, I mean it was purposeful in that

it was recreational and it was a

community thing with with our friends

that we would enjoy it because we always

enjoyed doing like morning radio

together and we said it'd be fun. We can

the technology exists now. We can kind

of do this on the internet. And then we

had Graham Hancock on. So my friend

Duncan and I sat down with Graham

Hancock which was how many years ago was

that? Was that 15 years ago?

>> Yeah, it would have been 2011, I think.

>> Probably like 15 years ago. So that he

was the first I believe he was the

first. It was either him or Anthony

Bourdain were the first real guest. I

think it was Graham. And all of a sudden

now because of this show, I can have

people on and ask questions. And I had

already read Fingerprints of the Gods

and I was a huge Graham Hancock fan. And

all my friends that like had studied uh

actual history in college were always

very offended by my ideas that I would

repeat from [laughter]

my team. That guy's a charlatan. Shut

the [ __ ] up. And I'd be like, I think

he's right. I think he's got some

points. Um so he was our first real

guest. And then from then I realized

that I could get guests cuz the numbers

started get getting more and more people

were watching it. So I was like, "Oh, so

now I could just ask all these like I

got Neil Degrasse Tyson on. I got all

these different people on." I was like,

"This guy seems interesting. Like, what

does he do?" Like, I had knife makers on

and I've had beekeepers on. It's just

like, it's just to me, it's a a crazy

opportunity to talk to fascinating

people. And I would love to do that even

if it wasn't a job. If I knew that three

or four times a week, even if it wasn't

a job, no one ever watched it. And I

could just have a conversation with an

interesting person for a couple hours

just sitting across the table. So, how

did you start doing this? and just pick

their brain and find out like why how do

what is what's their motivation? Like

what what gets them excited? Why do they

like that kind of music? Like where what

why' you pick that up? You know, what

what fascinates you about that? Like do

you ever lose ambition? Do you ever like

what goes on in your head? And I think

uh somewhere along the line I've

realized that I'm kind of like an

antenna

um for all these other people and that

as long as it's pure in my my mind,

right? As long as I'm only talking to

people that I'm actually interested in

talking to. So there's there's no one

who decides who is on the show but me.

There's no executives that have

discussions. There's no board meetings.

There's [laughter] nothing. There's

nothing. It's my phone. And I just I

just go, "That guy seems cool." Like, or

or what is she talking about? That's

nuts. Like, is that real? Oh my god.

What? How did she figure that out? Come

on in. And that's the whole way I've

always done it. And I feel like as long

as I just do it that way, then people

are getting they're getting a chance to

experience it with me because I'm being

I'm just being me, right? and which is I

I personally get great satisfaction out

of watching people do things that they

enjoy. Even if I have no interest in

those things, like if I see a guy who's

like making cabinets and he's like

really into the the polishing and the

sanding, you can tell like this guy's

work is he's very proud of his work. He

makes those seams nice and tight and

sands it all down. And I'm watching him

polish it and I'm and I'm watching him

put the stain on. I'm like, "Wow, that

guy made that with his hands." and he

steps back and he's polishing it with a

microfiber cloth. And I love that. I

love when people are into things. I love

when people are fixing engines. I love

when someone's really into painting. I

love people being into things. So, I'm

an antenna for people that are really

into things.

>> I think that's exactly what Ibrahim was

just describing in that quote. We are

antenna and we are receiving information

all the time. And the reason why it's so

exciting to be human is because our

antenna is got a broader

aperture to receive information than any

other creature on Earth so far.

>> And then ever before as as far as we

know

>> on this planet at least.

>> Yeah. But the pyramids, I want to go

back to that because

um I don't know if this is the smartest

and the most advanced people have ever

been. I don't think it is. I really

don't. I think the pyramids are the

perfect example of why we should

question that that narrative. Uh you

know, we want to put that in that place

into a nice cute little box. And you

know, all due respect to traditional

archaeologists, but you really can't.

There's not it's not physically possible

to put that place that supposedly was

made 25,500 BC. That's, you know, that's

the that's the guess. It's really kind

of a guess cuz there's no carbonate well

that way.

>> There's no hieroglyphs at all about the

construction of it. There's no they

don't show how they made it. They don't

they don't know what the [ __ ] it was and

they don't know why it has so much

erosion in certain areas. They don't

know why it's been built on there's

other structures that are built on top

of older structures that are even more

complex. Like makes no sense. It makes

no sense. It just makes no sense when

you're moving enormous statues that are

a thousand tons. How? How'd you do that?

How did you get that thing? How'd you

move it 400 miles? What the [ __ ] are you

guys doing? You're doing something we

can't do right now. As cocky as we want

to be, we don't have machines to do that

right now. So what why would we believe

that they were primitive? Why would we

believe that they were commensurate with

the rest of what we think the world was

4,500 years ago? Cuz that's crazy. It

makes no sense. That alone, just Egypt

alone, it's like what were those people

in Africa doing? Because whatever the

[ __ ] they were doing, it's above and

beyond anything anyone's doing right

now. 2,300,000

stones that perfectly align a true

north, south, east, and west. How?

Biology. Biology.

It had to be a living system that would

create something that intelligent. The

reason why we can't build them today is

we keep trying to invent machines to do

our work. Biology is what did it in

Ibrahim sitting there in Cairo, Egypt

right now will tell you the way that

they built these things was through

waveform and the antenna and not just

for receiving transmission that created

the energy to create the pyramids was

coming from bodies, not machines.

>> But they certainly had some machines

because there's these core drills that

they find that they they don't

understand how they could have ever had

something that moved at those RPMs to

make those kind of circles. that's

drilling into this insanely hard

granite. Like there's some technology

involved.

>> Water.

>> Water. Biology and water together. So

biology is ultimately carbon and water.

It is a massive energetic potential that

survives and concentrates between the

magic of carbon and water. I would love

to show you a couple slides of where I

think we are as humans because you just

uncovered the most important reality is

let's keep very strong anchor in the

fact that human biology we can call them

humans we can call them Egyptians we can

call them whatever you want but there

was people of our size and our scale

that were doing things on the planet

very recently 5 10,000 years ago those

have been doing their thing in the

jungle for 40,000 years so this is

recent history this isn't some like

figment of our imagination king

Solomon's right you know in that time.

We have written history just after this

time period. But there was an amnesia

event. There was something that happened

globally where we lost connection. We

lost the signal around 5 to 7,000 years

ago. Globally peoples all over the earth

suddenly got disconnected from their

intelligence and we see this massive

event of loss of life or disappearance

of life. So you got the Aztecs and you

know Mayans, Incas. You got all these

systems that had been thousands of years

building incredibly complex underground

labyrinths that go for tens of you know

thousands of kilometers and things that

we can't even wrap our heads around

right now was being done all over the

world not just in Cairo Egypt. The the

pyramids in off the coast of Japan are

way bigger than what was going on in

Egypt. And so we had pyramids all over

the freaking planet that were

technologies that were concentrating

energy. And I can I'm going to go back

to my own lived experience here so we're

not like philosophically getting into

any space that starts to sound woo. I

want to ground this.

[laughter]

>> We're woo woo, bro. We're on We're on

woo woo man. [laughter] We're on Main

Street in Woo Woo.

We're running red lights, son.

>> Let's go. Let's go. That's my favorite

thing to do. As long as I'm 55 Chevy

behind the wheel.

>> I can tell you like running red lights

at Woo Woo. Um, I want to bring you back

because you said something and I have to

understand what you were saying when you

said biology and water. So, uh, clearly

they had tools, right? So, clearly

they're using a tool to make these cores

out of the granite.

>> So, I want to back up. Um, I think we

just need to contextualize life because

we get get into the risk of like

starting to core down on that idea and

that idea and that idea and we can't

find our context.

>> So, if we contextualize this

conversation what life is,

>> then we can get to pyramids, then we can

get to UFOs and UAPs and, you know,

everything else that's going on right

now that's starting to force us to be

like, wait, we don't have the whole

story. And so this is my favorite thing

about being live right now is there's

just too much evidence that the story

that we've been taught in schools is

correct. It's just falling apart now.

>> Yeah, it's falling apart.

>> That's exciting.

>> But the reason why we have things

rushing into this space as new solutions

that are just distracting us from

actually stepping into our full potency

is because we still are not allowing

context to come back. And so I would

love to contextualize the conversation

first, okay? And then let's go down

these rabbit holes.

Uh if you've got that first slide of

mind, we can start at the most

fundamental level of understanding what

life is. And this took me, you know, 25

years of basic science laboratory work

to finally get my mind clear and out of

the way to what you said, be the antenna

for the information. What is what is it

trying to show us? And ultimately, when

you look across these images across this

top of the slide, we got the sun up top.

The sun is the most potent energetic

thing that physics does. It's nuclear

and fision and fusion. And these things

we call stars. And there's roughly 10

billion stars per galaxy. We got

somewhere around 2.5 trillion galaxies.

So there's a lot of energy being pumped

out in the universe by a sun. But that

little innovation just to its right at

the top is chlorophyll. And chlorophyll

begins a process of concentration of

light energy. And so this is where we

start to see more light per cubic

centimeter than nuclear fision infusion

can produce. They can then pass that

information in the form of energy onto

bacteria and fungi. The bacteria and

fungi then support more green life. And

so we go from moss and you know slime

molds to trees eventually. And so

there's this constant feedback loop of

concentrations of energy. The more

energy per cubic centimeter you have,

the more opportunity you have for

communication. The word biosis again,

the refers to the interconnected

relationships that make life possible.

If you've been in a long-term

relationship before, like longer than a

weekend,

you got a sense of how much energy it

takes to maintain a relationship.

There's nothing you do in life that

takes more energy than maintaining a

family and your spouse and kids or

whatever you got around you. That's

because communication is required for

co- collaboration, co-creation.

And so energy has to be concentrated at

higher and higher higher levels for life

to do more and more and more complex

things. A couple billion years ago on

the planet, we have evidence that

bacteria and fungi made their

transition. So bacteria single-cellled

single cellled organisms suddenly gave

an an increase in concentration through

an innovation of doing fermentation

outside of the body. So bacteria ferment

carbohydrates and fats. They use a a non

oxygen related breakdown process to

break carbon bonds. All of that sunlight

is being stored in carbon. And so one

carbon bonds to the next storing an a

photon of electric electromagnetic

energy between them. That's a carbon

bond. So when you hear, you know, of a

carbohydrate, that's a whole string of

carbons that's storing sunlight. a fatty

acid, another long string of carbons

holding sunlight. So the innovation of

life was can we store enough energy that

it can be released in these exponential

levels of energy per cubic centimeter.

And the more that life innovated that

process, the more complex life got. So

bacteria, single-c cellled organisms,

can't really collaborate, but they can

build an ecosystem of nutrients. fungi

figured out that they could actually get

way more fermentation if they exuded the

enzymes out of their body to make the

whole nature around them the stomach.

And so they outsourced the fermentation

process to the soil around them. And

suddenly there was so much more energy

available. So they started to build

whole networks of single-c cellled

organisms that were now collaborating.

We call these hi and pseudohifi the

mcelial network of the fungal kingdom.

They can go for miles and they're still

single-c cellled organisms, but they're

collaborating now because they have so

much more energy because they're doing

all that fermentation outside the body.

So, they're not limited to what can be

done inside the cell. The next

innovation that just blew everything out

was the innovation of the mitochondria.

So, that little mitochondria represented

up in that glowing cell right above the

baby there. The mitochondria are small

bacteria that live inside human cells.

The average human cell has 200

mitochondria. A neuron has 2,000

mitochondria in its neural head. 2,000

of those little bacteria living inside

of a human cell and that's actually two

microbes put into one. So it's a little

tiny methane producing bacterium that

was swallowed by an archa bacteria and

they started collaborating in a big

innovation that was respiratory energy

production. So we suddenly added oxygen

and hydrogen to the process that used to

be fermentation. So now we have

respiratory energy production in the

form of mitochondria and that was a 10x

improvement in energy light energy per

cubic centimeter and then we suddenly

got multisellular life and so was

prozzoa into parasites into nematodes

into worms into you know everything we

have. So life has been stacking in

complexity with direct relationship of

how much energy per cubic centimeter

exists there. The energy is predicting

the outcome. It's not some organism

comes along and says, "Well, I'm gonna,

you know, I'm gonna take over because

I'm smarter and more connected."

Every time we've seen an innovation in

nature, it's because preceding that

moment, there was an innovation in

increasing the amount of biosis, the

amount of interconnected relationships

inside a single organism.

Eventually, you get to a human. A human

has more life within it than any other

niche of nature of this planet. Amazon

jungle, coral reefs, any other mammal.

The human colon and the body systems

around it contain more biodiversity,

more interconnected relationships than

any other system on the planet. This is

more biosis, more life, more energy per

cubic centimeter. And what we get to

start to recognize now and as our

neurobiology of the gut starts to work

through our our levels of understanding,

we're starting to realize there is no

such thing as human intelligence.

There's a human brain that is an antenna

for all of nature to speak to. And so we

have the most complicated antenna system

of any organism on earth. And just 10

minutes ago, you sat there saying, you

know, I think I'm actually an antenna.

So this is the process that takes to

great life. And 70 years ago, we started

a new era of humanity called the

antibiotic era. And it innovated with

penicellin in the 1940s. But then it

became herbicides and pesticides and

took us into a massive journey of

destroying biosis. The word antibbiotic

is truth in advertising. To be

antibbiosis,

to be antibiotic is to be against, to

disrupt, to destroy the interconnected

relationships that make life possible.

And so, if this is right, which I don't

expect you to believe yet, but if this

is right, I should be able to map to you

the exact way in which we've landed at

this moment, which is at the crippled

point of human biology globally. chronic

disease epidemics, infertility

threatening the very survival of our

species. So, I'm going to take you

through the last 50 years and look at

the human race just as a metabolic

framework and we'll see if we can make

some sense out of it.

>> Okay, let's do it.

>> I like it. Um it is uh very fascinating

that we've gotten to where we are right

now and that we know as much as we know

and yet we still are doing things like

uh extensive use of uh pesticides and

herbicides and even when they're not

necessary like the drying of wheat with

it which is crazy like you don't you're

not even using it for its intended

purpose using it to as a desecator so

you could dry out the wheat and process

it quicker. What the [ __ ] are you doing?

And then you're poisoning people

unnecessarily because of this.

>> See, this is why I love being with you,

Joe, is because like you say the things

that I wish I would be able to say the

last

>> that way. [laughter]

>> That's all I really wanted to tell the

EPA when I testified in front of the

government.

>> We're crazy. Well, someone probably

should have someone like me do it. I'm

not the guy, but someone should say it

that way because that's really what it

is. Like, you're poisoning people. And

the the really nutty thing is the reason

why they didn't do the ban on glyphosate

because it would have a devastating

impact on our our society on our economy

because all these businesses would close

and go under and they would lose

billions and billions of dollars. Think

of that. Think of where we are right now

where our food supply relies on poison

to function. If we take the poison out,

it can't function. I don't know what to

tell you, but there's only one way to do

it. We have to poison you. That is

really wild that anybody would accept

that. I mean, you could have all your

[ __ ] lobbyists, everyone sits in

front of those microphones with notes

and they they all have some preposterous

way of framing it, but that's really

what it is. You're saying the food

supply relies on poison. And if we take

away the poison, we'll fall apart.

>> It's actually true.

>> That's crazy.

>> But let me show you why. Because it's

not actually the food system that's

about to fall apart. It's the medical

system.

>> Oh.

>> And so the thing that relies on chemical

food is not the money we're making from

food system. It's the money we're making

from the medical system.

>> Well, isn't it both,

>> isn't it?

>> It's got to be both. It's got to be

both. because I I know for a fact the

pesticide manufacturers are they they

work very hard to make sure that the

politicians are very happy and biosis

interconnectctor relationships that make

life possible.

>> Yeah.

>> And so when

>> Bayer owns Monsanto, right?

>> Yeah. So Bayer purchased that recently

and and they've been at this for long

long time. Bayer started to to

investigate the impact of interconnected

relationships on human biology and

fertility in the 1940s. we call it World

War II and concentration camps. But

that's where the the studies really

started getting set up was understanding

the relationship between microbiome, the

output products, amino acids

specifically that support human life.

>> So Bayer was involved in the

concentration camp.

>> They were bought by a company called FK

Pharmaceuticals in Germany uh in the

1930s and then they got spun back out as

Bayer after the war with the collapse of

the Third Reich. But you know, and

they're hardly alone in this. Companies

all over the world at the time were

studying this these interconnected

relationships cuz there was a lot of

progress being made in the 1930s and 40s

all the way back to the 1800s of

understanding that humans are an

expression of an complex ecosystem.

They're not just this isolated system.

And so it was Luis Pastor who kind of

won the argument of nature's against us.

Germs are attacking us. All of that. So

that that really kind of doubled down on

this belief that nature's opposed to

humans and we have to survive by

sterilizing our environment. So

pasteurization is rooted in his name,

Luis Pastor.

>> Right. Right.

>> And so we start pasteurizing with the

idea that if there's any life inside of

what we're consuming, it could compete

with the human life.

That is one of the nuttiest things that

they've passed on on society that

they've passed this idea that if you

don't homogenize and pasteurize your

milk that you're in danger and I don't

know if you've ever seen some of these

gaslighting articles, but some lady I

wish I I saved it. Somebody uh made a

great Tik Tok about it today or

Instagram reel where that she was

explaining uh relative risk versus

actual risk and how these articles are

framed to show you like oh my god this

is so dangerous and that people who

drink raw milk are like 860%

more likely to get sick. But it's like

versus people who drink homogenized

milk. Well, how many people get sick off

milk? And then you find the actual

number and it's like like 1300 a year or

something like that. I forget what it

was. 13,000 a year feel bad because they