So if I were to ask you just for because

we weren't recording then

what you think maybe the most

consequential thing we should be talking

about right now is as it relates to

suffering and everything that's going on

in society, what would that answer be?

>> I think it's AI but it's not just AI,

it's nanotechnology. It's how technology

the rapid change in technology and if

you don't believe it's going to destroy

humanity

and it's going to liberate us from a lot

of labor. If you believe that, the ones

that promote that concept if that does

happen and we displace this many jobs in

this short a period of time jobs are not

just money. Jobs are meaning. It's not

the only form of meaning but it's

meaning. So it's like you talk about

well we'll do give people UBI and okay,

I think you might have to because the

change is going to happen so rapidly

like I said, you know, farming 80% of us

were farmers 150 years ago. Now it's 3%

we feed the world. That's a long

transition. I think I mentioned to you

off the air that I was visiting with

President Obama 10 years ago and towards

the end of his term there and I was

saying

hey, I just got to talk to you. You

know, you inherited pretty tough economy

from the original 2008 explosion

breakdown. We lost 8 million jobs. So I

said there's technology coming right now

that we can predict is going to displace

more than those 8 million jobs. And I

talked to him at that time just about I

said just take one like self-driving

cars. They're just starting to come out.

I said in the next 10, 12, 13, 14 years

they're going to become ubiquitous. And

I said there's 8 million truck drivers,

Uber drivers and taxi drivers. And

are you doing anything to retool them? I

said because

>> the US?

>> Just in the US. I said because if you

don't think about this, I'm a business

person and I can hire a person to drive

a truck only 8 hours a day. I have to

pay for the health care which gets more

expensive every year.

They're going to at me about

things. And I can buy a truck that can

drive 24 hours a day and my insurance is

cheaper because it doesn't make mistakes

and I can depreciate the asset.

Am I going to hire anybody?

I said so those jobs going to go. That's

8 million that's That's one sector. We

can look at farmland where there's so

many industries affected. So, I said,

"We've got to retool those people now or

there's 10 years to gear them up because

these [clears throat] are not people

that are going to do it on their own and

they're going to be shocked." They're

The shock to their system, the loss of

dignity of of being in control agency of

their own life, of their own job, of

their own direction is huge. And if you

go back to like the Luddites, you know,

you're from the UK, right? You must know

your history there. 1800s, you know,

mercantile they'd come up with these

machines and how did people react? And

by the way, this story is the same

across history. We have a radical change

like this. All these people are

displaced and what do they do? They

rioted. They took hammers and they

destroyed those machines. They

threatened to kill the owners of those

companies and some were shot and killed.

They blew up and firebombed places. And

what did the UK, you know, do about

this? They passed a law in the first

year of this of these Luddites saying,

"You destroy a machine, it's capital

punishment." They hung people.

Because they couldn't have them destroy

the growth of the of the economy, right?

And guess what? 15 years later the same

thing happened again with the thrashers.

Thrasher machines that were used for

wheat and they lost all the jobs and the

people and the government overreacted.

I'm not trying to be overly dramatic,

but if anyone thinks this transition is

going to be smooth by us doing nothing,

they're wrong. And the problem is as I

mentioned you before, I think the

leverage is not in favor of us taking

care of society. The leverage is the

carrot and the stick. The carrot is I

can make a trillion dollars if I have

the right LLM or, you know, if I get to

artificial general intelligence, who

knows.

And if we don't do it, China's going to

do it. That's the stick. And then

they're going to run the world. So,

there's no focus on safety virtually as

you all know. And there's certainly no

focus on what's happening with these

jobs. Right now, high school students

are getting jobs more than college

students for the first time in 50 years,

right? You see the displacement. You

know, you got friends like I do. Mark

Benioff's one of my dear friends. They

let go of like What was it? I think it

was Was it 5,000 customer service agents

and that was done with AI now. Now he

wants to elevate them to other jobs. So,

we have to look at what this means to

our society. We have to anticipate what

this means and we've got to retool not

just the jobs, but the psychology.

Because

people talk about a post-work world. You

hear people talk about this all the

time. Elon, people like that. They

labor's like electricity. You just take

it for granted. It's so cheap. It's so

easy. Well, if that's true and he's

talking 3 to 5 years. And a lot of

people say Elon's early. He usually is

uh in his predictions. But Ray Kurzweil

is a good friend of mine. He's the most

accurate predictor of technology in

history and he's been saying 2029 for

almost 20 years is when you have

artificial general intelligence. If you

go to Hinton, I think you've interviewed

Hinton, haven't you? Right? So, he's the

longest. He's saying 2030 to 2040. He's

given us a little more room. In the next

3 to 10 years, this is going to happen.

How are we prepared for this?

And so, this is the questions I'm trying

to bring up to people that have

influence to say, "If you're in

business, you got to take a look at

this. If you're in government, you got

to take a look at this." And so, I I

just got

um they haven't announced it yet, but I

just got selected to be on the federal

advisory committee

for the president and for the Health and

Human Services and I'm on the mental

health side and I'm hoping to use that

position to bring more of government's

focus into this category as well because

it's got to be addressed.

>> When we recite these And that's

>> By the way, the answer to your question

is and that's suffering. That's

suffering at the highest level, not just

financial suffering. That's emotional

suffering. That's loss of identity

suffering. If I am a coder, I am a truck

driver and I lose who I am. Now,

I I just want to say one last thing.

We've already been in a post-work world

cuz I had one person say to me recently,

"Well, for 4,000 years, we tied our

identity to our work." I said, "No,

Americans all go, 'What do you do?'" Not

everybody in the world does that. And

for 4,000 years our connection po-

before the agricultural revolution was

really what tribe we're connected to and

our sense of significance was maybe our

courage in battle, not our financial

component. Or maybe it was our

creativity, our poetry, our storytelling

capacity, or maybe it was our

generosity. Um maybe it was our wisdom.

So we can find other things that have

meaning besides a job. But if you don't

take a culture that's been conditioned

for 200 years to think a certain way,

we're going to have a lot of pain and I

would like to see us have less of that

if we could. And I'm only one person,

but I'll do my best to

help people make that transition.

>> It's funny cuz when we think about those

historical examples of transition, I for

many reasons think this is even more

extreme.

>> I agree.

>> Because you have intelligence and you

have you've basically disrupted both the

muscles and the mind.

>> But you know, it the reason it's going

to explode even faster is because we're

moving from LLMs to now actually

studying visually what's happening in

the real world. And when robots do that,

then the game changes. There's tempo of

learning. Just think about this. You and

I are having a conversation. I picked up

one of your books here and I'm reading

through your books. So I'm going to get

a feel for who you are and everything

else before I came here. I've seen some

of your videos, but and I know like I

really enjoyed it. But I had to go get

that. I had to take couple hours to dig

through that. You and I have a

conversation. If either one of us learns

something or a machine, every machine

knows instantly you push one button and

they have all of that knowledge. There's

none of this word transfer. It's just

it's now. So people don't realize what

this really means. And when you're

learning from the real world, not just

LLMs,

right now you and I are our brains are

predictive devices. They're predicting

what is going to happen next to the best

of our ability and we're trying to close

that gap as much as we can or we get

jolted. Well, think how predictably

that's going to do to people's heads

when all of a sudden their labor is not

needed.

>> Mhm.

>> And it's no longer blue-collar labor,

which is what people thought it would

be. It's white-collar labor. I mean like

in my financial

I have a lot of I have uh

I own 95 different private equity firms.

I have owned the firms, not the actual

funds, right? So, I get the two and 20

on and I got pieces of all of them. So,

they're biggest in the world. And so, I

get to take a look at some of the things

that are happening so fast and I look at

all those jobs and I see people in those

industries and

quantum is taking its hook over maybe 5

years ago. I've seen the shrink in these

offices from staffs, the guys who were

making 5 million, 10 million dollars a

year, they're now unemployed.

Right? It's not just blue-collar

workers, it's everyone. So, you're

right, this has never happened before in

history and what's being done about it?

>> More money's been put into it to

accelerate it.

>> The carrot and stick, the trillionaire

and China, those two pieces are driving

it all and a few people are trying to

hammer like Kinton and a few other

people, we got to work on safety here so

it doesn't eliminate the human race. And

I'm not a reactionary person, but you

know, of what is it, 25, 30% of the

people that work in AI say that they

think it could potentially do that. I

mean, like you could use electricity to

kill people or light up a city. So, all

technology has that challenge, but this

is a different technology. This is a

technology that keeps learning, can

replicate itself. Right now, they don't

even know how some of this actually

works. They don't know how the AI is

actually working. It's teaching itself.

These AIs now have their own language,

I'm sure you know, they're talking no

longer in English to each other.

And you know, I'm sure you've seen the

studies, right? Where they give the

information on in the email and then

they say they're going to shut off the

AI and it blackmails them by giving them

confirmation of somebody having an

affair and it blackmails them.

I mean, it lies.

So, we're we're living in a crazy world

where the opportunity is greater than

any time in his- history for us to be

creators. We were created, we're meant

to create. We've got tools to create

like never before. But we we're going to

have to make sure that as we're doing

that, we've got some parameters around

safety and some parameters about what

does it do to society. And I don't have

the perfect answers for it, but I do

know one thing, retooling is the answer

and I don't believe most people will be

replaced by an AI. They'll you'll

replaced by somebody who knows how to

use AI.

>> Yeah, one of the things you said that

really blew my mind when I watched a

video from Boston Dynamics this week

where they the guy explained how these

robots are going to learn and he goes

there's two ways. One way is we're going

to get our factory workers to wear a

suit and every time the factory worker

does something that the all the robots

are going to learn that thing and the

other thing is he said is if one of our

robots learn something whether it's how

to pick up a book or how to make a

omelette every robot learns it

instantaneously and my mind was like

wow. That is

I personally

don't know where this leaves us. So

that's kind of

>> Well, neither do I but there's certain

things you know it's leading us towards.

You know it's going to lead us to a

great deal of violence because there

going to be people like have always

happened with technology displaces them.

Only this is going to be a global event

across multiple areas and not just

drivers of Ubers and truck drivers. If

we don't get our act together and have a

plan, there's going to be violence for

some period of time. There'll be there's

that grief period of loss and that

people go through when something jars

them that much and some people don't

return from that grief. And some people

are going to take this technology and

they're going to go off It's already

happening now even without AI.

There are more males at home 25 to 35

living at home with their family not

working

than anytime in human history including

the depression.

Right? There are I think it's 25% or I

think it was 30%. I forgot the number

just saw it recently of young men have

never approached a woman to ask her out

for a date.

They play video games all day long.

Their mom does their laundry and they

order Uber Eats. This is a mass number

of people. That's just the technology of

getting somebody gamified. Imagine with

AI. So some people are going to go live

there and some people are going to go

the Star Trek route and say I'm going to

figure out what makes human existence be

here.

But it's not hard to figure out the

majority are not going to go the Star

Trek route. And so we've got to have a

bridge because of the time compression.

If this was 100 years to do it, we could

adjust. There will be more jobs.

There'll be new jobs. There'll be new

time. But it's the time frame that I'm

most concerned about. So, when you ask

me what I'm concerned about, that's what

I'm concerned about because it creates

suffering. And it's something that we

can predict is going to create

suffering, and yet I see very few people

in positions of influence and power

doing much about it.

>> So, on an individual level, if you were

an 18-year-old

Tony Robbins,

what would you be doing at this moment?

What would [clears throat] you be

focusing on work-wise? What How would

you be designing your life for such a

world?

>> Well, I have five kids and five

grandkids, right? So, I have

a 52-year-old daughter, and I have a,

thanks to COVID, a 4-year-old daughter.

So, COVID was good to me. I was home.

So,

um

I look at my my, especially, my

grandkids and my daughter, and I say

they're entering a world that none of us

have known before. And so, how do I arm

them for it? And the answer is a couple

of things. Number one, I have to teach

them not to do what most people in the

world do. Most people you talk to, of

any even quote successful people,

whatever that means,

they're stressed all the time.

Stress. I'm so stressed. You hear people

talk about stress all the time. It's

like they argue about who's more

stressed.

And I I look at that and go, why are

they stressed? And the answer is because

they're managing their life.

It We're not made to manage

circumstances. We're made to create.

We were created by something,

call it your creator, call it the

universe, call it God, whatever you want

to call it.

And we were made to create. And when we

create, we're alive. When we just pray

to maintain or manage or hold on to

something, if we're just like caught up

in making a living instead of designing

a life, life is a and that's why

so many people have so many challenges.

So, I'm teaching my kids to be creators,

and I teach them the second piece, the

most important thing I believe, that's

made me successful and anyone I've ever

interviewed. You interviewed a million

people. You see if you agree or disagree

with me.

The three most important skills in life

now are the ones that allow you to learn

more rapidly.

If you learn rapidly, you can win no

matter what happens with the technology.

And what are those three skills? Number

one, the skill of pattern recognition.

When you can recognize patterns, you

eliminate fear.

Fear comes from this has never happened

before. I don't know what this is,

chaos. Like I hear people all the time

talk about how we've never been this

place politically where here in America

where the most we're going to have a

civil war the war and they don't do any

history whatsoever. I I have these two

placards that I have cuz back then they

didn't have ads, right? They had

placards. And one is from Thomas

Jefferson talking about Adams and one

from Adams about Jefferson. And they

said stuff that make Republicans and

Democrats look like they're nice to each

other. I mean, it's just unbelievable

the stuff they said. This is a cycle.

And so when you recognize a pattern, it

gives you power, potential power at

least. The first power is you know what

not afraid anymore. You go, "No, this is

not something that's never happened.

This is not something that's

I can see this. I can see how this has

been dealt with." What took us from

living in fear, from being

hunter-gatherers or trying to survive

every day, didn't know if we're going to

survive every day, to being able to stay

in one place?

What? Pattern recognition.

>> I was going to say the seasons, but

>> You got it.

>> Really?

>> That's it, the seasons. I I figured

you'd get it. Seasons because before

that

you could do the right thing at the

wrong time

and you get pain.

And three of the four seasons are the

wrong time.

So once we figured out, "Oh my god, if I

plant in the spring and I take care of

it through the hot summer, I get this

big reaping. And I hang on to some of it

to make it through the winter, I can

live here. I don't have to worry. All my

fear disappears." So we have The minute

we understood seasons, it changed

humanity. And by the way, there's the

seasons to your life.

You could say 0 to 21 is springtime.

Springtime, how hard is it for something

to grow in springtime? If you start a

business in in economic spring where

everybody's optimistic, you think you're

a genius, you're just in the right

season, right? So 0 to 21, you're taken

care of. In that season, you grow like

crazy. Somewhere around in roughly,

everyone's different, 21 22 years old,

you go to the next stage, 22 to 42, and

that's your summer time. That's the

testing period of your life.

What happens? You are 21, you've heard

all this stuff, and now you go, "You

know what? I don't have to believe this

I want to see what I believe.

I'm going to test." All history, all

studies of psychology show this is the

most difficult time in most people's

lives, right? 22 to 42. So, if you're in

that range and you're listening, I love

you. Hang in there.

>> [laughter]

>> This is This is your ground If you keep

growing, this is a great time, all

right?

Somewhere in that range, you make this

transition. Somewhere around 30 35,

you're 33, you just got engaged,

congratulations, right? You start to

move towards a family, you start to have

those experiences. I'm sure yours will

be very successful. Many aren't, right?

So, at 42 and 43 to 63, that's the fall.

If you planted in the spring, right? And

you worked your tail off during that hot

summer,

now you can do more with your pinky than

working around the clock. You know more

people, you have relationships, you

recognize the patterns, you know what's

going on. It's nothing's really a shock

or surprise to you. You're more

strategic, you're more efficient, you're

more elegant, you have more choices. Um

you've learned a lot of lessons if you

grew. Now, if you didn't plant in the

spring and work hard in the in the

summer, you're going to weep in the

fall, not reap in the fall, right?

So, now this is This is your power

period. This is when most people earn

the most money in their life if they're

going to grow because they've

accumulated knowledge, skills,

relationships, and so forth. And then,

the winter, cuz she comes back to that,

64 to 84 to 104 to the oldest human's

124,

that period is a transition period to

where you become a real leader because

you're no longer you know, that 22 to 42

you're trying to prove yourself to

yourself or maybe other people or both.

But there's a point when you get into

your power group, you know who you are.

By the time you get into this last

season, this you know, 64 to 84, 104,

124,

you know who the F you are. I mean, and

and you you want people to like what you

do, but if they don't,

it's like you know who you are. You

don't give a

I've just entered that season myself.

I'm about to be 66 in a few weeks. And

um

it's the most fulfilling season of all.

Um it's mind-boggling. I wouldn't

believe that when I was your age. That's

why I'm sharing it. Is if you're

healthy, if you're fit, if you're

strong. Um if you don't do that, then

it's can be a that time. But if

you're healthy and strong, you have

40-year relationships, 35-year business

relationships. You have friends that

adore you and love them and you're it's

unbreakable. It's unshakeable. You have

an intimate relationship or a family or

husband and wife relationship if they've

built to that point that is

beyond anything you'd ever dream of or

hope for. You wake up every day and you

know that life is a gift and you want to

give back even more. Like you're more

driven than you were when you were in

the 22 to 42 stage.

Those are the seasons.

There's one more. There's seasons of

history.

And your season of history shapes how

you shape your life.

So, you can look at a thousand years of

Roman history. I'm very much in history

and 500 years of Anglo-American history.

Um and you start to see patterns. In

fact, I'd recommend for everyone,

there's a book called Generations. Have

you read it?

>> No.

>> When I was working with President

Clinton

in those days, I worked President

Clinton,

I went across the other side and worked

with the Speaker of the House Gingrich.

I On the same day, on Clinton's on

on his desk, on the Resolute Desk, was

this book Generations. And I asked him

about it.

And he told me about how it is amazing.

It shows how history is somewhat

predictable and why the cycles are

generated by different generations, how

we react to the way we

we grew up. And then I go over to

Gingrich's office and he's a historian

he's got on his desk reading. It's a

pretty thick book, good size book. My

point is it's if you want to navigate

your life

you need pattern recognition so you

don't go in reaction and one thing is to

understand seasons are a great pattern

they freed us

there's seasons of your life you should

think about this season what's this

season about for you? What do you want

to extract from this season? And every

season has predictable challenges and

predictable opportunities and where am I

in the season? Some people go through

their spring time during a war winter

time. Some people go through spring time

in a fall. We all grew up with different

environments and so we're shaped by that

and that's why histories change. So but

let me finish the last of the last piece

I've gone way long I apologize.

I said there's three skills what what do

we need right? First one is pattern

recognition the second one is pattern

utilization.

So I watch you like you you and I both

we developed companies took them public

very early ages made a lot of money and

figured out it wasn't just about money

right? I mean you have to look at your

history

you didn't just recognize patterns you

used them. You saw them in marketing

areas you saw online opportunities you

saw things you didn't just oh now I

understand it you jumped on it. Anyone

is incredibly successful in anything if

they're great at dance if they're great

at investing in companies they've gained

in running companies if they're great in

singing they recognize there are certain

patterns and then the final skill and

this is what I'm teaching my children is

you ultimately want to become a pattern

creator. You think of example learn

learn to play the piano right? How do

you learn to play the piano? You got to

recognize patterns and usually you're

taught someone else's patterns that

produce something beautiful right? Could

be Bach Beethoven could be some rock

could be whatever you're learning and so

you learn those patterns and you

practice them you learn to use them

right? And now you can produce the same

music.

There is a point and I'm sure you've

experienced this already and you're

going to experience a lot more in the

next 10 years of your life

you've taken so much input in you've

recognized so many patterns that now you

come through and you become the pattern

creator.

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