Kev Kev Tim, good to see you, man.

>> Dude, glad we're doing this.

>> Yeah. So fun to hang.

>> Back in LA.

>> Back in LA for a little bit. And

it is a nice corner of the world.

>> It's not bad.

>> You know, until the failed state

implodes, it's going to be lovely.

>> Yeah, it's uh we'll enjoy it while we

can.

>> Yeah. So, you have lots that we can talk

about.

>> I've got [snorts] some things jotted

down. Where should we start? Let's start

with probably the most talked about

thing these days, which is AI.

>> All right.

>> And I, you know, I know people are tired

of hearing about all this AI stuff, but

I think there's been an inflection point

in the last, I'd call it three weeks

>> that I am just really blown away by.

Like AI has turned into something that I

I I kind of saw it coming, but I didn't

think it would come this rapidly,

>> which is it is replacing. So when I

first thought of AI, I thought, okay, we

have this chatbot. We can launch it. We

can ask like questions like of whatever,

you know, I got to repair this light

switch. How do I do it? Like that's

typical AI use case over the last, call

it, you know, two years.

>> In the last call it month, there has

been a release of a handful of AI

assistants that are not your typical

like Chad GBT cla. They're different.

>> So have you played with Instinct at all?

>> I haven't, but I know people are. Yeah.

So you should you should provide some

context for folks who don't let's start

off. So let me first put the these are

the people in the ring that are entering

this new kind of era of personal

assistant AI which is I would say

Instinct Muse which is a a meta product

>> and then you have Grockbot which is

essentially Gro which is Elon's project.

>> So when instinct dropped someone sent me

a text invite was like hey you just got

to sign up for this. I'm like, "Ah man,

I don't want another AI thing." Like,

you know, I I already do this all day

long. I'm using for coding, all that

stuff. Like, whatever. So, the first

thing that you notice is it's not

another app to download.

>> Mhm.

>> It actually is iMessage. So, they have

reverse engineered

>> and they actually give you just a phone

number to chat with.

>> It's closer to WeChat in China. Yeah.

>> In a sense.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, I have this

phone number. I texted it was like,

"Hey, off your Google account." content

like I know this is your nightmare from

[laughter] a privacy standpoint but it's

like you know give us your Gmail give us

your Google Drive here's a link you just

click here

>> yeah exactly it's like Russian site or

something but I I click through I

authorit I'm like whatever there's some

hype I hear it happening people are

doing this like I don't have any like

nudes but you probably do like I don't

know I don't know how much you keep all

that stuff online

>> probably don't was this

>> your nudes [laughter]

do you keep it in Google Drive

I just post those to my Tumblr account,

[laughter]

>> your private Tumblr.

>> Yeah.

>> All in all seriousness though, do you

lock down like do you have a separate

offline storage for like sensitive [ __ ]

>> Probably should.

>> Yeah, you should. We should talk about

this off camera. Okay.

>> Like there's just certain things that

like in my mind I'm always like, "Okay,

what's the blast radius of if something

gets hacked?

>> What is

Kevin gives me to worry about?"

>> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. All right.

>> So, okay. So, you author everything and

the first thing I notice is that this

bot texts me back and it's like, "Hey,

you missed this docu sign from a couple

days ago."

>> And I was like, "Oh [ __ ] well, that was

like kind of helpful, you know?" So, I

went in there and like did it and then

it's proactively just watching

everything

>> and it learns by my responses everything

I've done prior

>> and it really understands what I care

about and what I should pay attention

to.

>> And who manufactures instinct? It's just

a startup. It's a self-named sting

startup.

>> Yeah, it's a it's a startup. It went

from like zero to 10 billion in

valuation in like four months. It's

crazy.

>> Sounds sounds like a sign of the times.

>> Yeah.

>> Now, why would you trust a smaller

company from a privacy and access

perspective

>> versus like Muse from Meta or something?

I trust Muse certainly more because it's

just going to be battle tested.

>> Listen, I I I

scrutiny. I mean, not that they're

always the best actors, but at the same

time, right?

>> Well, they also

>> more maybe more checks and balances.

>> Yeah. And they came out and they they

actually did a whole briefing on their

security model around their private

instance of

>> they

>> a metad with Muse. Yeah. So, Muse is a

very similar product. It actually has an

app. I think they're adding a phone

number and whatnot.

>> And so, it is just it's wild. It's wild

in that this is something where I never

thought it would connect the dots in the

way that it does. is like I'll give you

an example. I was doing an international

flight and I was like, "Okay, I want to

have like a prescription for gabapentin

so I can get some sleep on the flight,

right? Be careful with that." I knew you

have to be careful with it. Like

whatever. So I had a prescription coming

in. It got called in and to get filled

and instinct was like, "Hey, just so you

know, your prescription's ready. You

should go pick it up. Leave by this time

because your flight's on time and if you

want to grab it, go over here now. Grab

it then and then head to your airport."

>> Can I tell you something crazy? Yeah.

just in terms of synchronicity. So 3

months ago, I drafted a preface to the

new book, this book on no that I'm

writing because there are many examples

in the book around assistance and some

of the very early reader feedback

because I tested it with 100 plus people

>> was some of these seem like 1enter

problems. Mhm.

>> And so I wrote a preface which was a

letter from it was called a letter from

the future and it basically talked about

how what's called 78 I was using a gen

one Dexcom which was like sticking

barbecue tines under your

>> I was with you. You got me on to

remember that. The the plunger it was a

plunger for people who don't know this

is a continuous glucose monitor and now

you push a button it's like woo tingly

and you get it in you. You used to have

to stick a plunger into your body.

>> You basically Yeah. you basically had to

stick two very long prongs under your

abdominal skin.

>> Now it's like a little peck on the

cheek. It's so much better. But at the

time I was like, "Nobody's going to use

this." And I was like, "Well, I don't

agree with that because the tech's going

to improve very quickly, right?" And

particularly once it went from this

weird beeper device to smartphone,

it was it was pretty clear that the

adoption was going to be rapid and then

get outside of type 1 diabetics,

certainly type two, but then get to kind

of health healthy normies and worried

well.

>> Yeah.

>> And on the assistance side,

>> I was also pointing out like back in the

day, yes, it was a 1% problem just like

inbox overwhelm and everybody has six

inboxes now. But in the case of

assistants, it's like sure. It went from

like full-time in person to virtual

assistant to digitally enhanced virtual

assistant. And I was like, by the time

you read this, we will have AI

assistants.

>> Yes.

>> That can do 99% of what I'm describing.

And it's already happened. So, I've had

it change flights for me.

>> I've told it there's a restaurant that's

a hard reservation to get into. This is

all instinct.

>> Yeah. I've told it, hey, there's a hard

reservation to get into. and it's like

hey I can't log in with your open table

but it drops at this time every two

weeks it give me a link and it's a

secure like vault and I gave it my table

login and then it nailed it's snag the

reservation for me perfectly and like

add to my calendar and then the cool

thing is if you have multiple friends

with instinct you can friend your

instincts together so I said to a couple

of my friends there was one person I

wanted to take to dinner and our

instincts became friends and so I said

share the calendar invite and all the

details and the instincts talk to each

other and figure out the schedule, pick

up it's magic.

>> This is how Skynet

>> autopop populates for all the

Illuminati. By the way, they don't exist

people. But they put [laughter] them all

in the same calendar invite to get them

into one spot so the drone swarm can

strike them at once. Yeah, it's going to

be awesome.

>> Uh I'm definitely going to use this.

Everyone is going to be using this,

>> right? I mean, Chatbt just announced

Dots. That's their version of it now. So

that's come out. How do you think about

your

history,

memory, context, right? If you've

predominantly used something, let's just

say this may or may not be true, but if

you've predominantly used chat GPT,

would you be inclined to use dots or

would you be inclined to use something

else? I don't know if they've made it

harder or impossible to export your

>> You can export memories and some of

that, but they are I mean, this is the

wedge that they're looking for. They

want to have something that is uniquely

theirs. That isn't just like what's

happening right now with the AI

enthusiasts is that if there's a new

model that comes out, there's no there's

zero loyalty, right? It's like, "Oh,

Cloud's better. I'll go use Cloud." Oh,

CHTP is better. And like people are

jumping all over the place.

>> This is a finally becoming this durable

storage of your life and your story and

your history and all the things that

you're into. And that is going to be, I

think, something where they're going to

kind of lock that down. the agentic AIS

like once you authorize all that [ __ ]

You don't want to do that every time a

new model drops somewhere else.

>> Yeah.

>> So, question for you. I saw a little

news around this. Somebody a friend of

mine who's keen on startups and

investing texted me about decisions

contrast in styles and business models

between Amazon and Shopify. And this may

have developed very I'm sure it has

developed very rapidly. But I think that

Amazon blocked

Meta's agent.

>> Mhm.

>> Right. In part because Amazon's business

model, I think it's

>> I don't want to hazard a number. It was

texted to me, but

>> they have sponsored placement, they have

advertising. I mean, there are a lot of

drivers that get circumvented, revenue

drivers that get circumvented by Agentic

Commerce, right? So, they blocked it.

And then like 24 hours later, Shopify is

like we are open for business agents

welcome.

>> How do you think that plays out? So this

is actually a you're hitting on a very

fascinating trend which is this idea

where applications destination websites

all those things go away. So in a world

where you say, "Hey, you know, I just

need some new towels for my house,

right? Rather than going on Amazon and

searching for new towels or whatever it

may be or Shopify or whatever

independent shop, you just ask Chad

GBT." Now, what Amazon is worried about

is if they are top of funnel, if Chat

GBT is the entry point, they can just be

swapped out. Yeah. Right. So it's like,

"Oh, you know what? Walmart has the same

thing for $10 less." And they just push

that right into the feed. Mhm.

>> And so for them, they're like, "Oh [ __ ]

this was our moat cuz we were the

destination. Everyone comes to

amazon.com, they shop there, and now the

AI is deciding and buying on their

behalf." So brilliant by Shopify. But

this is happening everywhere. So I'll

give you an example. I just shot a

podcast with uh Henry Shookman, our Zen

Master friend, and I was like, you know,

I don't want to send this over to an

editor. I'm just going to like do it

myself. Yeah.

>> And so Blackmagic, who's a maker of

cameras and editing software, they have

they have great stuff. They have an

editing package called Da Vinci Resolve

and it's like Premiere, Final Cut, any

of these editing software suites that

are out there. Well, what they did is

they launched an M MCP server which

essentially means that with one click

you can tie it to your AI. So, I drop in

three camera shots, two pieces of audio,

and I said, "Go make the podcast." And I

just said that I told that to chat GBT.

It connected directly. I'm watching on

the screen. and it's rearranging

everything, editing it, doing all that

stuff. Same thing happens with Photoshop

now. Same thing happens with CAD

software. You don't need the software

anymore. You just tell the AI. And

essentially, this could be headless.

Like, I would never needed to see

Photoshop ever again. I'm like, "Hey,

just go build me this book or whatever I

want to do or remove this stain or

whatever it is, and it's just done.

>> It's wild because you don't need these

destination sites like an Amazon

anymore. You just talk to your client."

So, in some sense, all these apps are up

for grabs. It's whoever's going to play

nicely with that point of entry, and

that was always Google, right?

>> But the thing about Google, it was

always pushing you to the final

destination.

>> They weren't doing the the e-commerce

themselves. And so, now it's like going

to be all in the one suite. So, you'll

never need to leave Claude or Chap GPT

or whatever. It just does it for you.

It's so crazy.

>> What do you think Amazon does? Because

Amazon I mean does have huge advantages

in terms of economies of scale, pricing,

distribution like physical distribution

of product, speed of delivery, etc.

Right. They still crush as last I

checked. I mean in most cases they crush

everybody else.

>> Yes.

>> But they don't want to take whatever the

hit is for all of these sponsored

placements and everything else.

>> They're going to have to.

>> They're going to have to. So do you

think they launch their own agent if

they already have their own AI? Are they

able to compete? I don't think so

because you have on device. So Apple,

Apple intelligence, those models will

get better. Don't don't count Apple out.

Give them three years, right? And

probably not even that. A year and a

half.

>> That will be that domain. You have

Gemini on Android, which is going to

power all of Android. And then you have

Chat GBT and Anthropic and probably a

couple others that will probably just be

like, "Oh, I don't prefer Coke to

Pepsi." Like you want your own AI. It's

better at certain things. And that will

be the entry point for all of the

internet, all of applications, all of

everything. Sponsor ad revenue on Amazon

goes away largely because it's going to

be sales. Most commerce will start to

funnel. Like we saw this back in the

2000s. So in the 2000s it was like okay

online versus offline commerce, right?

It was like of course everyone goes to

Sears to buy buy their tools, right? And

then all of a sudden oh guess what? 10%

of tools are being sold on you know on

Amazon now or online now. and all of a

sudden, you know, a decade goes by and

you're seeing the vast majority of stuff

that is just being purchased online,

right? Versus that's why Sears and J C

Penney and all these big retailers just

go out of business, right? So, I think

what's going to happen is we're going to

see that transition happen once again,

but it's going to be through the front

ends of AI interfaces. So, you'll just

be talking to your AI like, "Hey, you

know, I just need a refill of this.

Like, can you have it here?" "Yeah, we

got you covered with Walmart. They give

it to you in two hours." Or, "Do you

want to go with Amazon? It's $2 cheaper,

but it'll be here tomorrow." You know,

it'll be those types of real life

conversations that you'll just be having

with your AI agent. It's a wild

transition time.

>> Yeah, I've been watching this, but I've

actually been waiting to have this

conversation. I mean, we'll continue

obviously chatting offline to figure out

>> like where to start, right? If I Well,

maybe you can just tell everybody. So,

it's like if if people are using, let's

just say they're using

>> if they're already using Claude and

>> Claude doesn't have theirs out yet,

though.

>> And Chat GPT.

>> Yeah.

>> All right. And they're like, "Well,

look, if there's an advantage to using

meta, what is it called again?

>> Muse.

>> Muse. If there's an advantage to using

Muse, let me know. Maybe. If there's an

advantage to using Instinct, let me

know. Maybe." How would you experiment?

How would you suggest somebody who is

non-technical experiment with these

things?

>> Well, if you have the chat GPT app on

your phone and you're paying for it,

it's going to be there right now, I

believe, for everyone. Instinct still

invite only, so they're slowly rolling

that out. So you'd have to know somebody

and you can poke around online on

Twitter or whatever and you'll find

somebody.

>> And then Muse has been number one in the

app store for like the last couple of

weeks. So that one's pretty easy to get

and you can just sign up for it. So I

would say probably Muse and Gro is still

behind. Their models aren't the best.

That one I would just like sit on for a

bit. It's a little bit more technical,

but yeah, you can just start right away

and then just play with it because you

you'll launch your little bot and then

it gives you a phone number so you can

actually call your bot. And so like

listen to this. This is actually I'm

calling my agent right now on the phone.

This This is chatbt.

>> Okay.

>> Hi, I'm Sabrina.

>> Hey, good to hear from you.

>> I wanted a sexy voice. I wanted a sexy

voice. Sorry. Can you tell me about the

podcast that I'm shooting today?

>> Sure. Let me pull up what I've got on

that.

You're recording with Tim Ferrris today.

It's 12:30 to 3:30.

>> Probably bleed some of that out.

[laughter]

>> Your social security number is

>> Yeah, exactly. So, but I mean, I can

just call this at any time. It doesn't

cost against your AI credits. So, you

can be in the car and just be like,

"Hey, can you move this for me or you

know, can you follow up with this email

or whatever it may be?" And everything I

need to mess with that it's time for me

to actually

>> It is time. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Step into the arena.

>> Amazing. All right. Call to action. I'm

in. Should we talk about some other

items? Yes. On our non-aggenda, I wanted

to bring back

>> an oldie but goody.

>> I don't know if you've ever tried this.

>> I've not.

>> So, this is a bottle of tablets.

And this is something that I've played

with for at least a decade, probably

more.

>> Few tablets of rectus. This is

[laughter]

this is interesting.

>> It's called beta alanine. And the reason

I started playing with this again, this

is a a dietary supplement is I have I

think you know been getting back into

climbing.

>> Yeah.

>> Rock climbing. And have been training

really seriously for about two months.

So not very long. But I have coaches or

I h I had coaches when I was on the East

Coast and in Austin, but now I'm still

traveling, so that'll get figured out.

But I wanted to see what I could do to

improve endurance because I think like

many people, when you get on the wall,

you're going to use your arms too much.

You're going to end up in these locked

off positions, meaning your arms are

bent

>> and [snorts] you're going to flame out

your forearms or other parts of your

upper body. So, yes, you need to learn

how to use your feet, and I'm doing all

of that, but I wanted to see if I could

address some of the physical

constraints. And I didn't want to use

some of my normal standards like

creatine because creatine

leads to water retention and weight

gain. And the last thing I need at 180

lbs with these tiny little squirrel

paws,

>> with another limiter being finger

strength, obviously, to add weight. I

didn't want to add weight. it really

adds an additional hurdle to progress.

So [snorts] beta alanine was something

that I surfaced again and I wanted to

see if it had ever been applied to

climbing. And it turns out that there

have been studies done specifically with

elite climbers and there's not a lot but

randomized and double blinded 15 elite

climbers taking four grams a day for

four weeks or placebo

and somewhat like creatine depending on

which protocol you use. They are large

pills.

This will be fun to watch.

>> Why? Cuz I just Kevin just had two.

What's wrong with

>> I'll I'll explain this not be alien.

>> No, it is. I'll I'll explain some of the

>> some of the side effects in a moment.

That's hilarious.

>> But [snorts] let me give you the the

data first. And

[laughter]

>> I mean, look, you're

>> I mean, I just thought it was what you

said it was.

>> When you're with Tim, rule number one is

you should never just swallow a bunch of

pills from a bottle that he puts on the

table. But here's the upshot of it. So,

with longer traverse, that means getting

on a wall, moving sideways, right? There

was in the intervention group with beta

alanine after they had kind of

saturated. It takes about two to three

weeks to start seeing results if you're

going to see results. But 57% longer

before falling versus 19% improvement

with placebo

>> and an additional 21 seconds of

improvement beyond placebo.

>> That is a ton. Like it is highly highly

statistically significant. And then

looking at longer traverse and by longer

this means like one to two minutes. So

the duration's really important one to

two minutes

>> which [snorts] on a say top roping when

you have a rope attached doing like a 35

ft wall like maybe that's the duration

right which I was doing. I wasn't doing

huge walls like 70 or something like

that for indoor

>> but I was also

>> doing top roping and also bouldering

which is a different thing. So it

doesn't really help super short

bouldering that's without ropes but

doing let's just say 5 to 10 moves to

get to the top campus board like didn't

didn't really help any of that stuff. I

won't bother with defining that but say

longer traverse moves completed right

there's basically like a four move

improvement in the placebo group just

from training effect

>> and then in the beta alanine group it

was 10 moves

>> and I have noticed a difference it took

it took a while and you can't really

separate out all of the elements that go

into it because I am training I'm doing

isometrics

doing

collagen plus vitamin C before training.

So, collagen peptides from Momentous

plus vitamin C, you don't need very

much. 500 milligrams or 1,000

milligrams. Five I think it was as low

as 50 in the research. Boosts collagen

production in the fingers.

>> What's one scoop from them, by the way,

cuz I take the same stuff. What's What's

a full scoop? Do you know?

>> I don't recall what's on the label, but

it's like a scoop of that.

>> It's a few grams.

>> Plus some Yeah. Plus some vitamin C. And

the type of collagen does matter. You

kind of want hide if you can get it as

opposed to bone just to avoid heavy

metal and other contaminant issues. But

the the point being I think this stuff

has really helped to the extent that my

coaches like it was almost by the clock

like when I got to 2 and 1/2 weeks of

taking this not [snorts] before they

were like whoa what happened there

seemed to be like a phase shift where if

I'm working on

>> and it did for me seem to translate to

bouldering which makes me wonder how

much of it is the beta alanine but

suffice to say I've been very impressed

and this is something where I've done

testing before and after to try to track

some of the improvements. So, it is a

heavy lift though because if I'm taking

in my case not 4 g but 6.4 gram a day

roughly, right? I'm taking eight of

these pills a day, it's a lot. And uh I

would suggest and this gets to the side

effects. This is thorn betalanine SR

that means sustained release to minimize

and I might be getting the pronunciation

wrong on this one side effect which is

called paristhesia. It just means

body tingling basically it feels like

>> it feels like a nasin flush

>> or like

>> many parts of your body fell asleep like

you had crossed your legs for too long

and sat down. What do they attribute

this to? Is this is this a cognitive

thing? Is it ATP? is enhancement like

what was underlying mechanism.

>> I'm actually not sure of it's carnosine

it's I believe it's carnosine saturation

muscular

saturation but I am getting over my skis

so people can look it up but beta

alanine has quite a bit of published

literature on it. I was just very

surprised that there was actually a

[clears throat] a study that got funded

for 15 elite climbers. Like who even

pays for that? I have no idea. Probably

some supple Yeah. some supplement

manufacturer probably. So that is one on

the supplements and since I brought it

up in terms of

I I had mentioned with the collagen and

contaminants just a quick public service

announcement if you're taking say

psyllium husks right fiber

>> very helpful for a lot of reasons you

don't just need to be boomers like us

with aging colons and rectums [laughter]

it's also very helpful for glycemic

control like you can take it for meals

and stuff like that. If you take any

kind of fiber, you do want to add water.

But the point is there are a lot of

heavy metals and contaminants in most

common brands of psyllium husks. So

>> Yerba Prima Y RBA or Organic India are

two that I have looked at testing

results for

>> and those are good. But one doctor joked

to me, he's like, "Yeah, you could go to

fill in the blank major pharmacy chain

and grab something off the shelf, but

it's going to be 2% fiber and 98%

arsenic." It was a joke. It's not quite

that bad, but the contamination actually

is worth paying a lot of attention to,

particularly if it's something like this

that you'd be taking on a daily basis.

>> Yeah. I read another study recently that

just was like, shy, like just killed me.

And that is, you know, those seaweed

chips that you can get at like the

grocery stores, like the little flat

papers.

>> So much microplastics in those cuz

they're pulling all that seaweed out of

the ocean and they're just like

>> filled with microplastics.

>> You just can't win.

>> You can't win. You can't win.

>> Okay, speaking of supplements,

>> you hate creatine.

>> No, I don't hate creatine. I love

creatine. I just don't find it to be the

most helpful for climbing specifically.

>> So, uh, yeah, because it puts a few

pounds of muscle on or whatever. Muscle

water or whatever. It helps me lift more

weight though.

>> Oh, for sure.

>> Yeah. So, creatine, we've talked about

this, I'm sure, at least on I mean,

we've done what, like a couple hundred

random shows. I think we've talked about

this at least 10 of them, which is

creatine can be your friend and

sometimes not so much.

>> Yeah.

>> If you overdo creatine, it is a problem

with the GI. It can be. Yeah. Also, if

you're in airport

>> Oh, god. Yeah. You don't don't do what

Tim does or Well, I don't do it anymore

because I I do learn. I'm slow. But

yeah, if if you're like, "Let me have a

double espresso, some creatine, and MCT

oil on your way to the airport." Don't

do that

>> because disaster pass potential is high.

>> Yeah. [snorts]

>> I would say also because of some of the

research, you know, Rhonda Patrick has

highlighted on the cognitive benefits.

>> Yeah. 10 grams a day.

>> I was taking 10 grams a day, but I

started getting really wicked muscle

cramps

>> in my hands, my feet, and then I I

dialed it back to five.

>> No cramps.

>> Yeah.

>> So,

>> I'm at five right now.

>> Yeah. I think that for my system at

least and I think Rhonda's also observed

this I might

[sighs]

not be getting that right but I think

she's she's talked about it publicly

also experienced cramping at 10 10 grams

plus per day

>> so I've had all kinds my stomach is

horrible with creatine like I have just

historically

>> you have you're a delicate flower with

the stomach anyway

>> sometimes yeah it depends on the thing

but like sometimes I'm actually really

good it's very confusing but anyway long

story short I was doing some research

and I don't know this brand at all so

take this with a grain of salt, but the

technology is legit. I looked up the

study that the technology they're using

to create a delayed release creatine.

So, this is the only one on the market.

So, if you look at these pills, they

look wild. They have all these little

tiny beads inside of them.

>> And they

>> looks like I think it was Dexatrim back

in the day.

>> Yeah, totally. [laughter] Yeah. But I

will tell you like this is the first one

I've been able to take because of the

delayed release and it does not mess up

my stomach at all. It's amazing. Well,

yeah, you're burying the lead here. Body

Techch Elite Dean Beadllet.

>> Oh, okay. Here's here's the I think

critical piece

>> with Nova Spheres trademark.

>> Yeah. So, I did the research on what

Novars are and they're legitimology.

>> Yeah.

>> All right. Look at that.

>> Yeah. So, I mean, if if it's just one of

those things where like, listen, I I

have also when I travel, I'll use I I

kind of flip brands all over the place,

but lately I like the stuff from

Momentous because of the quality checks

they do.

>> And I have their little travel satchels

that I take with me and just mix them

with some stuff. As long as I slow drink

it over like 3 hours, I'm fine, you

know? But this is the first time I've

been like, "Okay, on the go, I can just

like chug five pills at once and no

issues." So, anyway, that one's fun.

>> Should we talk about sperm quality?

>> Let's do it. Oh, that's where I wanted

to go next. How did you know? God, we

>> I got the request.

>> Yeah,

>> Kevin tried [clears throat] to anonymize

it [laughter]

>> through through random YouTube live

stream and I was like, please talk about

sperm quality. I was like, all right, I

know it's you, Kev. Kev,

>> was this a question somebody wrote in?

>> No, I'm kidding. [laughter]

>> For yourself?

>> So, I have long been fascinated with

nuts. Not in the testicle sense,

although that's probably true. Also,

just some of the benefits of consuming

different types of nuts like Brazil

nuts.

>> Jesus. [laughter]

>> I literally thought you were talking

about a ball sack the entire time you

were saying that.

>> There is a double antandra here.

>> So, I talked about for instance Brazil

nuts and selenium way back in the day.

And of course, you have to look at the

funding sources and so on, but

>> there's a brand of nut butters. I'm sure

they do other things called Artisana.

And I don't know why their their raw

almond butter is just better than every

other brand in terms of consistency.

They somehow homogenize that might not

be the right word, the oil so that

you're not dealing with like the oil

slick on the top and like getting it all

over your countertops and stuff,

>> but I ended up just for shits and

giggles buying their walnut butter cuz I

had never had walnut butter and it has

some cashews in it. Mhm. And

you know, I'd like to have a family,

ideally a couple of kids. So, it's good

as as as I age into my soon 50s, I'm

like, you know, I should keep the twins

>> as healthy as possible. And I tend to

think that if you optimize for

fertility, you get a lot of other things

right

>> as downstream effects.

>> And the two ingredients are raw walnuts

and raw cashews. I'm bringing this up

because

there are actually walnut specific

studies. There was a 2012 randomized

control trial in 117 healthy men aged 21

to 35. And they were randomized to

either continue their normal diet or add

75 grams a day of walnuts. And it's not

impossible. Like 75 grams just to turn

that into something people might

recognize. It's like 6 cups of chopped

walnuts. Like two and a half handfuls.

It's not that crazy. Yeah.

>> And the improvements in sperm vitality,

motility, and morphology all were

statistically significant.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah.

>> We just want Are there other health?

>> That's the question. That's the

question. So, generally speaking, nuts

seem to be supportive of fertility. So,

in 2024, there was a meta analysis that

[snorts] showed that at least 60 grams

per day, so that's less than the 75 we

talked about. Let's call that two

handfuls of nuts as an estimate.

Improved sperm mo sperm motility,

vitality, and morphology. Although it

did not significantly improve sperm

concentration. So,

>> of course, be aware of the caloric

density, right? If you're just housing

nuts all day, you'll have 6,000 calories

of nuts, it's going to have other side

effects. But I [snorts] thought this was

super fascinating and it only came about

because I ended up loving this walnut

butter and I was like

>> I have read or actually not read. I had

been told that wal consuming walnuts

could improve testosterone and free

testosterone and I was like let me fact

check that. And I did not get back

confirmation on that but I got back

these research results related to sperm

quality. I was like fantastic. Okay.

Yeah, with Brazil nuts in the selenium

side of things, it was a reduction in

prostate cancer, right? There was some

study that

>> I don't I don't recall. For me, the

reason that I was looking at that with

for our body and man, it's crazy to

think about how [ __ ] hard

factchecking and research was back then

compared to now.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Oh my god, it's like you kids have good

now

GPT and Claude and so on. It's so much

easier. You need to know how to

interrogate the system. But the reason I

was looking at that and this is still

relevant today that that looking at your

micronutrient

consumption and absorption matters right

so if you have a copper deficiency or a

selenium deficiency that can be

reflected in all sorts of issues with

say sex hormones

>> right and I have friends there's one

[snorts] actually multiple friends who

had testosterone issues is they ended up

and I don't know who the latest and

greatest I think it was Spectraell back

in the day but I don't know who the

latest and greatest would be for options

for testing but they ended up just

having like three

Brazil nuts a day and they're like I

feel like I'm on cocaine like their

lived experience

>> changed so dramatically and sure this

isn't randomized controlled I don't know

if that was placebo or not but I saw it

enough times where I'm like look this

seems to be low hanging fruit.

>> Yeah.

>> Top soil is depleted everywhere. You can

be sure as [ __ ] that most

>> vegetable matter you're consuming is not

as nutrient-dense as you would like

probably.

>> So, it's just something to keep an eye

on.

>> Yeah. And so, people should also know

that Brazil nuts, like that nut, it it

receives its selenium from the soil

itself. So, it's the uptake from the

soil. I've seen this now at grocery

stores. There's Brazil nuts that aren't

even made in Brazil.

>> Yeah. So you have to make sure like it

has to say product of Brazil on the back

of the nuts. Is there a certain brand

that you like when it comes to that or

are you just checking for that on the

label?

>> I'm looking at not really. I mean I

haven't done the due diligence there.

I've just been looking for organic cuz

man oh man like I really want to

minimize pesticide consumption. I

understand there are issues with the

designation of organic to begin with.

But it I mean this is just a general

kind of meta principle that or it

underscores a meta principle that I

think about a lot which is like you're

there's the expression you are what you

eat but that's not sufficient like you

are what you eat ate right so if you're

eating salmon like not all salmon is

created equal like what is the salmon

consuming

>> right

>> right similarly this applies to

>> vegetables It applies to salad greens

like where was this grown? How was it

grown? What were the nutrients

>> that were absorbed or not absorbed that

were present or absent?

>> And uh with tools that you have now, I

mean it's a lot easier to try to do this

type of due diligence.

>> Yeah.

>> Most people don't know that non wild

salmon like they add dyes to like make

them it look more pink, which is just

insane.

>> Yeah. There's a lot of this kind of

stuff. And look, I mean, you don't have

to get every detail right, but there are

little things here and there to pay

attention to. And you there are also

like lots of weasel words out there when

people say all natural, right? I mean,

there are many terms that are just not

defined in any meaningful way. So, they

can be used to confuse consumers. But

look,

>> point of the story is

>> walnuts perhaps good for your nuts.

>> I'm going to do it. So, and Artisana

products are delicious. So, why not try

them out? Should we just keep going on

the food?

>> The food kit. I have so many supplements

and [ __ ] today. This supplement day. So,

this actually I've been doing more gym

time, which has been great. Been trying

to like, you know, get a little lean,

try to lift a little bit more weight.

I've been trying to find like a good

source I brought you this one. Oh,

thanks.

>> A good source of protein. Can

>> I try it?

>> Yeah. So, I have no By the way, none of

the stuff we talked about today. No, we

have no affiliation with this stuff. So,

this was one that I found largely

because A2 protein, are you familiar

with A2 at all?

>> So, I I am I have not done my own

homework on this, but I can tell you how

I I came across this just so people

understand what we're talking about. You

want to read the label here because you

sent me a hilarious video of your

refrigerator where you're like, I got a

little bit of this, a little bit of

this, and then we have some protein. And

there were like 40 of these in your

refrigerator.

>> Well, I mean, Pioneer Pastures.

>> Yeah. So this is Pioneer Pastures. I

mean they literally sell it at Target

and whatnot. A2 protein though was the

only protein that cows would produce

about a thousand or so years ago. They

said 500,000 years ago somewhere around

there until this variant took over and

it was became non A2 and it became a

combination of A1 and A2. And it's it's

a type of protein that comes from the

casein which is the slower digestion

version of protein.

>> Bodybuilders used to take casing at

night before they would go to bed

because of the cottage cheese.

>> Yeah. Exactly. So, but the thing about

A2 and what's so cool about it is that

way less stomach discomfort. Like, it is

the natural clean form of protein and

it's really hard to find. So, I found

this one drink, 160 calories, 30 gram of

protein. It doesn't need to be

refrigerated until you lactose

>> free. Lactoseree

>> and it tastes really good.

>> Yeah, it's pretty good.

>> Um, it was two grams of sugar. I mean,

>> I enjoy it. So, for me, this is like a

great I just want something first thing

in the morning to kind of like

especially if I train hard the day

before, like to just get some protein in

the body, take this with some coffee.

It's fantastic.

>> You know, the first time I saw this,

this is the first time I've tried it,

actually, but first time I saw this was

in the offices of Chris Williamson, the

podcaster. No way. He is jacked AF. I

mean, the guy is basically a

bodybuilder. I mean, he's very strong,

very lean. And much like your

refrigerator, there were like 30 of

these sitting in a in a fridge at the

offices.

>> And that was the first time that I had

someone describe to me the

difference, I suppose, or the the

differentiator with AE2 protein.

>> It doesn't taste bad, right? I mean,

>> no, it's totally fine.

>> There's a lot of shitty tasting protein

out there, so I was pleasantly pleased.

>> There's also a lot of protein products

that are basically candy bars or junk

food masquerading as health food. So,

looking for kind of the minimum

effective dose of ingredients.

>> Yeah. I mean, this has monk fruit in it,

but it doesn't have any of the other

like fake sweeteners or anything. And

it's

>> very, very few ingredients relative to

like if you were to compare, not to

throw them under the bus, cuz I will

occasionally have them when I'm caught

in a pinch, but like if you were to

compare the number of ingredients on

this Pioneer Pastures with say muscle

milk.

>> Yeah.

>> It's like seven ingredients versus 40.

Dude, muscle milk was like the like gym

shake during like the 90s, right? Like

everybody wanted muscle milk.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You know, hey, desperate

times. What was that pre-workout that

everyone took that just got you cranked

as [ __ ] in explode?

>> Oh god, that stuff. Yeah. I mean,

basically just bodybuilder crack. It was

so strong. So I I you know on the muscle

milk I you might find this interesting

like

when I was training to compete this is

probably two years ago in

archery. So I had like my period of

intense training and the reason I'm not

doing as much of it anymore is because

it's just very isolating right like

you're it is a solo practice and you're

repeating the same thing over and over

and over and over again. I do still love

it, but I wanted to do something more

social. Yeah.

>> And just a little more physically

engaging like rock climbing,

>> right?

>> Which I I just love to no end every

aspect of it.

>> So fun.

>> The reason that Muscle Milk is relevant

to this story is that I wanted

training nutrition that could not be

broken by inconvenience on the road. So

basically when I was doing my training

sessions, which would be like 3 to four

hours, and [laughter] this is going to

sound gross, but [snorts] basically I

would only consume stuff that I knew I

could get at almost any any gas station

because I knew my competition was going

to be in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. And

Lancaster is actually a beautiful town,

but I didn't know where the competition

would be. And I suspected it would be in

the middle of nowhere, and I would only

have access to gas stations or some type

of quick convenience store like a

7-Eleven. And that turned out to be the

case. But I was comfortable with muscle

milk,

almonds, like roasted almonds of some

type

>> and

then zerocalorie monster energy.

>> Oh god,

>> I know. I know. With some torine, right?

But I got comfortable

using the most commonly available stuff

so that I felt like I had and even if

it's only psychological, a competitive

advantage. Oh, an unsweetened

iced tea. That's it. And in any case,

that was my sidebar note on [laughter]

muscle milk.

>> You look at the ingredients now. I don't

know if it's changed, but back in the

day, it it was not healthy stuff.

>> Yeah. And it's like, look, I mean,

>> great name though.

>> Great name. Also,

as I continue to do intermittent fasting

a few times a week, I don't do it a ton

because I'm actually trying to I want to

add some like muscle mass and connective

tissue strength, and you just need

nutrition for that. Did you get that

gripper, by the way?

>> Yeah. Look, I have grippers.

>> Did you get the one that our buddy sent

us?

>> No, I got a different adjustable gripper

because my right arm is still recovering

from the elbow surgery I had a year ago.

>> We should link that up in the show

notes. That gripper that that's a really

good one.

Yeah. Yeah. We'll we'll link to a couple

of different grippers if people are

interested. I I'm going pretty light cuz

I'm still strengthening the extensors

and the right elbow that was repaired.

>> But you want to hear about something

crazy?

>> Yeah.

>> That I've [snorts] been getting really

into. And this is this is going to get

into crazy town, but you know, we like

getting into crazy town a little bit.

So, uh, dream engineering and anesthesia

dreams. So I've been going down this

rabbit hole related to dream

engineering. So can you

modify dream content? Can you for

instance facilitate two-way

communication between scientists and

dreamers while they are dreaming?

>> And this this is a longstanding interest

of mine. And I first read Exploring the

World of Lucid Dreaming by someone named

Steven Labberge the very very beginning

of high school and became very

interested in lucid dreaming which is

just to define terms

>> where you train yourself and there is a

process for this to induce lucidity

while you're dreaming. That just means

you become conscious of the fact that

you are dreaming. And with exercises,

you can get to the point where you're

able to modify your own dream content.

>> And I used to, for instance, in high

school when I was competing in

wrestling, I would do additional

training sessions at night in my dreams.

I'm not making this up. And I felt like

there was a direct translation to

improve performance. Okay. But flash

forward, I connected I ended up getting

inter introduced to uh Dr. Adam Harowitz

who took research out of MIT and Harvard

to make dream engineering a reality. So

he has a startup called Dust Dust S. And

in full disclosure, I I am an investor

in that. But

>> what does it do? They're going to be

helping people to modify dream content

to address things like PTSD.

>> Oh, no way.

>> Now, that's where the conversation

started. And he knows that I have

long-standing interest in psychedelic

related therapies. But psychedelics have

taken a backseat for me in the last

handful of years because most people I

shouldn't say most many people will not

be able to take psychedelics for whether

it's health reasons contraindications

they have psychiatric conditions like

schizophrenia in their family that mean

it would be ill advised to take them.

>> So I've been really focused as you know

on neurom modulation brain stimulation

and I still am super super bullish.

>> How often are you doing that now? Uh I'm

going to be doing it again probably in

the next month. I would say every 3 to

four months.

>> The update there I did get involved with

one company

and I thought very heavily about it

called Ampa Health AM PA Health. They

have the smallest most modular option on

the market.

Very easy to use and I think they are

the company if I had to bet on one

that's going to get to the point where

you can actually power something off of

an iPhone.

And they're doing some really really

interesting work work. Just to touch on

that, they're doing one day protocols

now. So instead of five days off of

work,

>> that's amazing.

>> Costs 30 grand or something, you're

doing one day of treatment accelerated

with this

very small dose of antibiotic called

descloer, which induces plasticity in

the brain, much like certain

psychedelics. So you basically let that

dissolve in your mouth beforehand.

[snorts] And

from let's say a 1 to 10 in severity,

let's say my OCD, generalized anxiety,

it's at like a eight or a nine. It has

taken it to like a a zero or a one.

>> Holy [ __ ]

>> One day. Now it gets crazier though

because you can also use it. People can

check out AMP Health.

>> Do they do it in LA as well or no?

>> They're all they're all over the

country. I mean I mean what I what I'm

hoping is that people who are already

administering things like ketamine or

>> who are offering CBT or whatever will

will just offer this as an add-on

because most of the devices that are

available now are like the size of a

refrigerator. You have to sign like a4

million dollar lease. The Ampa Health

product for providers is like three

grand a month. You can cancel any time.

>> I think that's still accurate and it can

fit in like the trunk of a car. It's

much easier to use.

>> But what's also amazing,

>> and I did this recently when I was

traveling, met a technician and did like

2 hours of I think it was steims every

30 minutes just for a handful of minutes

each simulation.

>> Sims simulations. Okay.

>> Just for sleep,

>> different target area of the brain. Then

>> in this case, it was the same target.

that they're not talking about super

publicly yet,

>> but very easy for therapist like

technicians to find. How do they find

it? Are they just like measuring your

head and [ __ ] and looking like it's all

based on really, really good science.

They're looking at over overlapping

networks that are identified by looking

at data from deep brain stimulation,

data from lesion research.

>> No, but I mean when they sit down with

you, like if you're going to go into

this place and they're like, "Hey, I got

to find this region in your brain. Part

of what makes how they do it interesting

is they're finding targets that are more

uniform person to person.

>> So certain places like the dorsalateral

prefrontal cortex, certain areas on the

front of the skull or front of the

brain, front of the head, right,

>> are a little more variable. You have to

be very precise. So they're finding ways

to make it

very effective, very fast, and less

likely

to suffer from like clinch and error,

right? Because if you really have to

thread the needle,

>> sometimes you get no effect. That

happened to me when I was using like

earlier targets with other hardware.

>> If they were off by like a half a

centimeter,

>> nothing. And you just wasted a week,

right? And like 30 g. No downside. Like,

are you not getting headaches afterwards

or anything weird?

>> Mild headache. Mild headache for like a

day. Does that not freak you out,

though? I mean, that's the only reason I

haven't tried any of this stuff. I'm

like, I don't know. Like, it's like

they're just put magnets in your brain

and [ __ ]

>> I mean, I mean, [laughter]

just to bust your balls. Before we

started recording, you were talking

about some drugs you were experimenting

[laughter] with.

>> Yeah, but it's like just that's a good

old time. It's

>> Yeah, I tried and true.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

>> You've done it, too. I mean, look. Okay.

I'm no stranger to farm.

>> I love that. You're going to say it

online.

>> No, I'm no stranger to pharmarmacology.

I'm just saying in this particular case,

I personally found the I think the risk

benefit ratio is much more attractive

for the general population than

psychedelics, which is why I'm spending

so much time looking at it.

>> I think it is much much much more

attractive. M

>> it's faster and frankly

>> well let [snorts] me let me let me come

back to these these crazy stories of

dream engineering and anesthesia dreams

>> so from uh you know the startup dust

right and people can check out the ampa

health I encourage them to check it out

>> but they're all over the country now and

>> is that the publicly traded company one

or

>> no it's okay private

>> so dust does the dream engineering and

[snorts] then he introduced me to some

research out of Stanford Here are some

of the headlines of pieces published by

Stanford Medicine. Could anesthesia

induced dreams wipe away trauma? Another

one. Could anesthesia dreams be a more

palatable psychedelic therapy? All

right. So, what does this actually mean?

Let me read some of this stuff. Uh, all

right. What What dreams here? Here's

here's the dream protocol.

>> Yeah, that's what I want to know. What's

the protocol?

>> I tried to convince I was getting an

endoscopy recently just to look at my

throat. You know, you you got to do that

stuff. the endoscopies, colonoscopies

and so on. And I was trying to convince

this doctor I'd never met to do this for

me. And he was like, "Yeah, I don't

think so." But the dreaming protocol has

five steps. Number one, tell the patient

they might dream under anesthesia.

Number two, use propall. Right.

>> Oh, this is great.

>> Uh, yeah, very common.

>> What Michael Jackson did.

>> Michael Jackson used that plus like six

other things.

>> U,

>> I have a great story about that.

>> You should not DIY propall but using

propall as an anesthetic as the patient

is emerging from anesthesia. So, here's

the thing. If someone has surgery,

they're not changing the anesthesia

delivered for the surgery. They're

basically using propall to taper them

out

>> and tune them to a very particular dose

and let's call it radio station so they

have pleasant dreams. Okay. But step

number three is monitor brain activity

etc with EEG.

>> Ensure at least 10 minutes of quiet

undisturbed emergence. This is really

important. If you don't do that then

dream recall is shot. And then you have

to ask them about dream recall. But the

the point of this is that the what

they're seeing and this is not this is

not really super speculative. I mean it

is at the edges now but uh they are

seeing people with longstanding complex

PTSD. They have one of these dreams

where they taper out on propall and they

rehearse beforehand to basically imagine

their traumatic event ending in a better

way with some kind of resolution.

>> And some of these people 10 months later

still zero symptoms of complex PTSD.

They go from severe to zero. The reason

I find this so interesting and other

people find it interesting is that it

underscores the possibility that and

I've thought this for a very long time

but like the trip matters right because

in the world of psychedelic medicine and

business right now

>> the name of the game

>> if you want to ramp up your market cap

and have an exit for $2 billion or

whatever or launch something with an you

know an IPO and make tons of money is

you say, "Okay, psychedelics,

broadly speaking, a whole lot of them

hit these serotonin type 2A receptors.

Let's create a drug that hits the same

receptors, but that doesn't cause the

trip because the trip doesn't matter.

The trip is a side effect, right?

>> Sounds [ __ ] but yeah."

>> Well, what's interesting is that I think

it's both. But just to just to be clear

like you can hit the serotonin type 2A

receptor with no trip like an LSD

variant and it can be very effective for

things like cluster headaches.

>> Sure.

>> It does something.

>> Yeah. But I'm talking about the

emotional release that comes from

>> Sure. But but but so I would say like

also some of these psychedelics and not

all of them are primarily hitting the

type 2A receptor but [snorts] have

potent anti-inflammatory effects right

at subperceptual doses. So also I think

that could lead to anti-depression and

stuff right.

>> Um however if [snorts] dream engineering

like Allah dust right if dream if they

can dream engineer people

>> to have fewer nightmares which they can

and that has psychedelic like outcomes.

It's like is it possible that even

though there are millions of people for

whom psychedelics will never be

appropriate like tripping balls for 4 to

6 hours

>> and [snorts] there are shorter acting

psychedelics and so on, methylone and so

on. I get it.

>> But there are plenty of people who will

never be able to take take psychedelics.

>> Is it possible that every night you have

an opportunity to harness something

similar? And if so, like who are the

scientists who are going to figure out

how to mold that and shape it? And so

what is do the prep work? I I I think

it's all touching the same stuff. Let me

ask you a question. What does Dust do?

Is it a coaching service? Like because I

I have this app that, by the way, I I

have no affiliation with this, but I I

you should check this out too, Tim. I

think you'd really like it.

>> Before I go to bed, there's an app I use

called Claria. C L A R I A. And it is

the best hypnosis app that I found out

there for a variety.

>> Who makes Claria? I may have I may have

tried. you would recognize the

scientists and the team behind it. It's

amazing. It's expensive. It's 150 a

year, so it's not cheap, but I found it

to be a beautiful way to drift off to

sleep, and I swear I feel better the

next day. And there's a variety of

different topics. It can be anxiety. It

can be whatever. But anyway, my point is

my question about dust is okay,

>> what is the thing? Is it is it could you

sit there in this propall kind of state

coming out?

>> So, just to be clear, dust isn't doing

anything with propall.

>> That's totally okay. So, could you do

this with hypnotherapy?

>> That's a great question. I don't know

the answer. I also just to be on the

safe side, I don't know what they're

disclosing publicly, so people can check

out the website and whatever it says it

says.

>> But it's something I'm keeping an eye

on. But broadly speaking, that ended up

being the wedge in the door for me to

get back into doing a deep dive on

>> basically dream shaping,

>> right, which is 100% possible.

>> Mhm. And it's already been demonstrated

that you can have dreamers who achieve

lucidity communicate with researchers

while they are provably in an RAM state

by memorizing eye movement patterns in

advance like Morse code basically like

right left right left something like

that to indicate like I know that I'm

dreaming and I'm telling you I'm

dreaming. It's [ __ ] crazy. [laughter]

>> And uh have you talked to Matt Walker

about this? I haven't I haven't had a

chance to talk to Matt about this stuff

yet.

>> Yeah. So, Matt used to run the for

people who don't know, you run the you

wrote the why we sleep book and also

used to run the Berkeley Sleep Lab uh

for a long time. So,

>> yeah. Yeah. He's still very active.

>> He's in Dallas now. Has a huge lab is

doing lots of good work.

>> Um he and I on the sleep front have

mostly talked about the Dora class of

drugs.

>> Yes.

>> And just with the You

>> still have a ton of that by the way.

>> Oh yeah. I'm using something called

Qivic instead of Bell Sombra now. Yeah.

But and talk to your doctor, guys. This

is this is not stuff

>> you can't get it without the doctor

anyway.

>> Yeah. I mean, who knows, though, if

they're buying stuff online from Mexico

or whatever. Just don't screw around

with any of this stuff without talking

to your doctor. But the the point of

that for people who maybe haven't

>> heard anything about this, Matt Walker

has a good podcast episode on this. It's

probably 6 to9 months old at this point

about the Dora, like Dora the Explorer,

D O R A class of drugs. That's dual

ereexen receptor antagonist drugs.

There's some evidence to suggest it

might be helpful for people

with family histories of Alzheimer's and

things like that for

>> they do a spinal tap and saw that

>> beta beta amaloid clearance or health

amala clearance.

>> Yeah. Yeah. They they not just in

animals but they've looked at human

data. Well, for me, honestly, even

though it might be a speculative at this

point, because no one's proven that it

prevents Alzheimer's,

>> I'm like, you know what, that [ __ ] is so

scary and I've seen relatives just

disintegrate. I'm like, eh, since I'm

APOE34, I'm genetically predisposed.

>> Let me just be on the safe side.

>> Yeah, I I bring it with me. I'm actually

going to Japan soon. And that's when I

use it. I'm like, I I'd rather do that

than some type of like, you know,

>> these other class of sleep drugs have

been shown to do all kinds of horrible

things, including cancers and you name

it. So, these are the

>> they look like on paper so far to be the

safer class of drugs.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I mean, there's some other drugs

that seem not to affect sleep

architecture horribly, like, you know,

the ambience of the world like Trazadone

might be a decent choice, but

>> for a host of reasons, I wanted to just

it it just seemed to make sense to me to

look at the the Doras All right. What

else you got? Okay, I'm going to do

rapid fire. I got to get a few things.

First of all, have you ever seen these

before?

>> Plum flour curing pills.

>> Yes. Plumflower curing pills, my

friends.

>> No, [laughter]

I

>> economy size.

>> Okay, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Oh,

this gets better.

>> I had a buddy.

>> Yeah.

>> He's like, Kevin, you don't understand.

I was actually in in in Paris and I had

like a little bit of like a stomach

like, "Oh man, my stomach's a little bit

off." Like blah blah. And he goes, "I

was about to get food poisoning. I felt

it coming on." Yeah. I had had I think

it was oysters or something he had. He

goes like, "I took two of these. It's

from a Chinese practitioner." And he

goes, "I dodged a bullet every time."

And let's just call it like once every

eight weeks where you're like, "Ooh, my

stomach's a little sideways." You know,

>> I take one of these little packets

>> and it freaking works. And I dude, I'm

telling you, I know it sounds crazy. And

so before the podcast,

>> you just laced with tons of antibiotics.

>> Yeah, exactly. No, I before the podcast

I was like I wanted to look it up cuz

it's like a traditional Chinese medicine

and I can't pronounce any of the [ __ ] in

it. It's a bunch of wild It's like 15

different Chinese herbs.

>> Yeah, this is unlike the A2 protein.

This has like 27 different ingredients

in size two font.

>> I'm telling you, these little packets

are like 50 cents a piece on Amazon.

>> You can buy them in a smaller thing.

>> I just love that they're called curing

pills.

>> They work, dude. [laughter] I if you at

all like you know what they work with

really is like if you had too much to

eat and you're like oh I'm bloated like

I just feel bloated like just take one

little package take up with ready to go%

[laughter]

owner in the company

>> I'm like well that executive chairman

Kevin Rose what is this

>> my pictures on the outside you get to

Shanghai

>> this thing a rapid fire a fit

>> oh I've got one of those in my bag in

your pack [laughter] what the [ __ ]

>> like on you right now?

>> Well I don't have it right now but it's

in my backpack. So tell people about it.

>> But the uh I was not able to get the app

to work for

>> I got working.

>> You did? Was it a pain in the balls?

>> It was a little bit of a pain. So you

can get the one without the smart

technology in it, but this will also

work if you don't even use the app.

>> Yeah.

>> So So for people that don't know this

device right here,

>> I should just use it without the app

because it's been basically I downloaded

the app and then they're like, "Oh, you

want any utility out of this app at all?

Pay $79 a month or whatever." And I was

like,

>> there's no you can just ask Catch Beauty

for a training protocol. Yeah.

>> So, there's two knobs on here on each

side of this thing that adjust the

resistance on inhale and exhale. So, you

put this thing in your mouth like this.

This is to train your respiratory

muscles.

>> Yeah.

>> So, that's difficult for me to do.

>> Yeah.

>> They showed after 8 weeks a 30% increase

in lung capacity when you train with

this thing, which is just insane.

>> The respiratory muscle training devices

are really cool. I had Boss Ruten, this

UFC, but also prior to that, like in

Japan, MMA legend on and he's done this

stuff basically daily for multiple

years. There's good data to to suggest

reductions in lower back pain, all of

these different issues if you improve

the strengthening of the muscles that

aid in respiration.

>> Wow. Do you have the same model? Like

the same type?

>> I have a white one that's got like

Bluetooth and all this fancy technology

that I think I do not need. When did you

buy it?

>> I bought it probably a year ago.

>> Okay. I don't know why this had the

latest firmware on it and it works fine.

I haven't had any issues with the

connectivity, but I did have one before

my house burned down and it it was

always having issues connecting. So, I

don't know.

>> All right. Maybe I need a new one. But

Airfitit, please improve your app if you

haven't in the last year because I found

it to be incredibly difficult.

>> Uh, plus your base baseline of

programming for somebody who's bought a

device should be decent. [laughter]

Yeah. But I do have I do have one in my

bag at home. So, I will I will I will

just use chat GPT or Claude to help me

figure out a

>> Bluetooth free option for training.

>> You can also um what I've been doing

with it is Ruck backpack 6% incline on

the treadmill.

>> That sounds comfortable

>> with this in my mouth and it's really

helped.

>> I'm guessing the people on the

treadmills next to you just clear out,

huh? [laughter]

>> No, I might. It's at my house, but yeah,

>> I'm not doing this in public. It's

ridiculous. Okay, the last one I have is

about man makeup, but we can get to

that.

>> Let's come back to [snorts] man makeup.

I'll give another bit of science that I

think is pretty fascinating to watch.

This was sent to me by an oncologist who

specializes in

on one level cancers around the eye. So,

I had a scare. I might have told you

about this. I'm not sure. Still a little

bit of a scare, but there was a neas

found at the back of my eye, which is

like a large freckle, and that can

develop into cancer.

>> Oh [ __ ] The good news is they can get

rid of it. The bad news is you lose your

eye. So,

>> right,

>> this is something I've tracked first

every 3 months, then every six months.

It hasn't changed in size,

>> but [snorts] really uh came to admire.

>> Where did you find this by the way?

get your eye exam but with retinal

scanning with like ver with advanced

imaging and certainly I was happy to

find it but I mean very scary to find

those moment because you don't know if

it's been there for 20 years or if it's

been there for a month and a half.

>> This is my brain aneurysm.

>> I had a little tiny brain aneurysm that

was like you know 1 millimeter whatever.

>> So you found out with like biograph or

something?

I did and they're like, "Okay, well, we

have to watch this and it could explode

if it gets too big." And then after 2

years, they're like, "Oh, you probably

just have this since you were born." And

I'm like, "Ah, shit." Okay.

>> So, she has occasionally will send me

science that she finds interesting. And

this one, I mean, this is this is

probably not the description of the

study itself. I think I went to the lay

person's interpretation of it, but the

the headline here, which I put in my

newsletter, five bullet, check it out.

tim.blog/fr.

Brain stimulating contact lenses match

Prozac and depression study. All right,

so this isn't an animal model, but let

me read the synopsis. Material

scientists have developed a wearable

drug-free contact lens capable of

treating depression by delivering mild

electrical signals through the retina.

>> Wow. The study demonstrates that these

specialized lenses are as effective as

flockitine, that's the active ingredient

prozac, at reducing behavioral, neural,

and and physiological signs of

depression in mice. Okay, so mice are

not just little furry humans. So just

keep that in mind. This technology

leverages the eyes anatomical connection

to the brain to stimulate mood

regulating circuits non-invasively. So

that is pretty fascinating, right?

Imagine if now I don't know

mechanistically what it's actually doing

with the stimulation.

Is it affecting veagal tone? Is it

affecting something else? Who knows? I

haven't done the deep dive on it yet.

But imagine this is where bioelectric

medicine, right? Whether it's different

types of stimulation for increasing

bagel tone.

>> There are a lot of [ __ ] devices out

there, folks. So just be aware. I'm not

aware of anyone commercially available

that is not prescription that is

credible. But

you talked like Michael Lean of Tufts,

like [snorts] will we more and more be

able to use electricity instead of

pills?

>> Mhm. to treat conditions and I think

that that will be the case

>> and in fact you know you look at say

anesthesia anesthesia is one of those

things where we're like yeah it's just

anesthesia anesthesia when you start

scratching the surface is so incredibly

strange

>> and they really don't know how it works

right

>> there are many anesthetics people have

no idea how how they work and I mean a

few things right if you look at like

Michael Pollen's new book he talks about

how anesthesia is effective on plants

even though they have

>> obviously completely different nervous

systems slash I should say more anatomy

but it would seem I mean

how should I get into this without

making a mess of things uh there are

some hints of of quantum effects of

anesthesia but putting that aside

>> because I'm not I'm not credible enough

to talk about that at length

>> some of these anesthetics are inert like

they shouldn't do anything.

>> Mhm.

>> Right. So what is happening? And it

would seem that it might be physics and

not chemistry. So it's not it's not

within the realm of chemists say, "Oh,

it's binding to this receptor and doing

A, B, or C." Even though they might

observe effects that mimic those things

>> that it's somehow affecting

bioelectrical fields.

>> And that's the limit of the extent of my