Let's back up because what you're

alluding to I think is that what we've

been talking about really for the whole

time is transition.

>> Yeah. Exactly.

>> The difficulties like because I love

football and I was very successful at

it. I run into a lot of people who

played in high school and loved it like

if they dream like they would give their

arm or leg to be able to play in college

and keep the dream going. And I always

think about how when I left the game,

it wasn't necessarily forced, but you do

age out like it just sooner or later.

Even Tom Brady aged out at 45. Like it's

a young man's game. The day I retired, I

was known for this thing that I had been

able to do worldwide. Even the next day

I remember waking up and now that that's

gone.

Now what? Yeah. Yeah. And what I've

learned about transition that leads to

rich laws and how I describe it that

everyone and even the high schooler that

the last day they play and it has to be

put away needs to recognize and treat it

like a death

to mourn it and go through all the steps

of mourning it and and burying it and

actually having it as a place that you

can keep referring to as almost like a

grave site like you because otherwise

you carry it around

>> and it never gets you never transition.

Transitioning is about actually moving

from to right. And so I'm really

grateful my Roger Stack poster on my

wall. I got to know him.

>> He became a friend. Like he like it's

insane.

>> Yeah. How cool is that?

>> And and he famously transitioned

probably the most successful transition

in history of the NFL.

>> What did he transition to? He the

stallback company was a real estate

business that he was hugely successful.

And I remember asking him towards the

end of my career, Roger, what do I give

me some tips? He goes, run.

I'm like, run where? He goes, just run

away. That was his tip. Because he said,

the game will never leave you, but you

need to leave it. You need to move on.

And I thought that was just simple, but

really important. And I tell people

today and I really want to write a book

about transition. Yeah.

>> Because everybody is constantly

transitioning whether they like it or

not. Most of it forced, right? But if

there's a authentic, vulnerable way to

transition and bury and mourn, you can

wake up the next day realize I was great

at something and now I'm not even good

at anything else. But you know what? I'm

going to

>> learn and grow.

>> We're going to learn and grow.

[laughter]

>> Well, I'm slow, but I'm getting there.

I'm only twice as dumb as I was.

>> Useful. [gasps]

>> What did morning football look like to

you? What did running from it look like

and what did morning

>> It's funny. So you lead to Rich. So as

we built this business and I was still

playing, I was getting ready to run and

I was already running away from it even

before it was over. I think there was a

fearbased, which is not necessarily the

best way to do this, that if I didn't

run really fast that it would somehow

keep me from getting really clear of it

all. And so I just started, you know, we

had that business. We just running. And

so he was a banker at Morgan Stanley.

>> We took this idea that Warren and and

Larry had

>> said, great, my buddy Jim Herman. And he

said, as we went to go get financing for

this business, we ran into Rich, who was

a very successful banker and Morgan

Stanley, but young, recognizing

everything that's going, I says, "You

need a CEO." And I'm like, "Yeah, you're

right. We do." He says, "I'll leave

bank. You got to be in the late 90s in

technology." He's like, "I'm walking out

of Morgan Stanley. I'm going to be the

CEO." And so, we've been together ever

since then. And so the transition you're

talking about as far as I think because

of that energy around great mentors. I

mean I'm very very lucky like I didn't

have to do it raw. I didn't have to do

it alone. I didn't have to like that

would be super difficult. I had all this

mentorship all this ex modeling all this

example from Roger from you know from

everybody. So to me it was just can you

just go enact what is obvious to go do

and I really appreciate it because the

game never does leave you.

>> Yeah. I traffic and memorabilia for our

golf tournaments for Forever Young

Foundation. And so we need constant

signatures from jerseys from players and

hockey players and or or Hollywood or

and so I to this day you can't imagine

how many signatures that I do that as

part of the memorability company and

they pay me in

>> stuff so we can use it for the

tournaments. You know what I mean? If

you'd have told me in 2025 I'd still be

signing [laughter] my name on Steve

Young jerseys or helmets. It blows the

mind. But we're still trafficking in it

because it funds the foundation and we

have great golf tournaments and we make

a lot of good things happen. So it's

like a virtuous cycle that we got going.

But

>> it seems also really fortunate. We were

chatting just when we took a break

briefly and we won't get into the

details of that but about some of the

former military kind of tier one

operators who are friends of mine who

run into a very similar challenge.

Right. They're they're the best of the

best.

>> It is brutal. they've been hugely

invested in, not that dissimilar in some

ways from top level professional

athletes. And then they go from being

the best at what they do to question

mark or feeling they're not good at

anything. And that happens to gold

medalists or or I should say just

Olympians broadly.

>> It happens to the high schooler who

never leaves football. It's you're

talking about dramat there's dramatic

moments that are clear like the SEAL

team who's the elite member like that

that resonates with everybody like oh my

gosh that would be hard though it

happens so many ways but the transition

pattern

>> is so Muhammad.