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GOOD TO SEE YOU.

Great to see you. What's happening?

You know,

putting out an album. This is the the

power of music. Um I told my wife that

you were coming on and she said

I don't want to get emotional.

She said if I die

on my funeral, I want her song I'm

coming home. Really?

Yeah, I was like, "Ooh."

I was like, "That's a heavy thought."

And then I listened to it in the gym and

I was like, "God damn." I listened to

the version where you were on the piano.

It was like a solo concert.

And I was like, "God."

That's such a

It's such a great song, but it's such a

such a crazy thought. Yeah.

That someone would want Wow. a very

specific song.

Man.

>> [laughter]

>> Heavy way to start the podcast. I know,

but

but that's

you know, that's the emotion of real

music. Yeah. Mhm. Like you sent me a

text message about

AI, you know, because you sent me one of

your songs and you're like, AI is never

going to recreate this.

I said something like

I don't think it's capable of writing

stuff with this much emotion yet.

>> it's not real, you know.

>> Yeah. It sounds cool. That's what AI

does. They they there's cool songs that

come from AI.

But there's always going to be and I

completely agree with you. There's

always going to be a thing

>> [snorts]

>> where you know a person wrote it.

That they sat down and they wrote it and

there's this connection with their their

spirit and their creativity that comes

out and that's what people love about

music. Other than stuff that sounds I

like I like AI music cuz it sounds cool

but I know what it is. I know it's just

a robot.

I mean I think it's you know

sometimes it's good for certain things

but the type of music that I make

personally um

it's like very therapeutic for me to

write.

I always am writing from like

a true emotion so

um

each

each type of

>> true emotion right now. Yeah.

It all has its place though. I think AI

is an interesting it's just like another

tool I feel like

that um you know when autotune first

came out people were bitching about that

and even like my first albums I recorded

with my mom when I was a little kid we

did it on two inch tape.

You know so there was no computer

involved.

So then computers got introduced and

people were bitching about that like

this isn't real music.

>> Yeah.

>> You know it's just like all these

technological advances

to me [snorts] I see them as just tools

that creatives can use to get their

vision across. What was what was Peter

Frampton using back in the day? It was

like a tube or something right? I have

no idea.

Do you remember like

you you you know what that stuff is

Jamie right?

>> it's a talk box.

It's like a tube you put in your mouth

or something.

>> like a straw and like the microphone

picks up the sound so the sound would go

through the tube into your mouth and the

microphone picks that up and you use

your mouth.

>> Cuz I remember people hating that like

way back in the day people were hating

that like that's not his real voice like

what is he doing? Why does he put it

through that thing?

You know. I don't know.

But there's always I mean look there's

always going to be tools that people use

to enhance creativity but Right. the

thing that's weird now is that they're

making entire song like they can make a

total Skylar Grey category. And they

sound pretty good. They sound really

good. You know, that's what's crazy.

>> yeah. It's your voice. It's your actual

voice.

>> going to get better, you know, cuz it's

so new.

>> Yeah.

So. There's an entire podcast with me

that I never did. Really? Yeah, there's

a whole conversation with me and Steve

Jobs. I never met Steve Jobs.

It's just me and Steve Jobs talking

about stuff. Is it the visual, too? No,

it's not the visual. This one's just an

audio one, but eventually I'm sure

there'll be a video visual one of that.

>> Yeah.

And there's definitely ones of me

talking to people I've never talked to

because like people pretend they're

they've been on the show.

You know, like for fun. And then they'll

have a whole conversation with me. It's

very

>> very strange, you know. Very strange.

Yeah, but we're living in a weird blurry

time. Yeah.

>> Like the lines between real and not real

are are getting very blurry.

Like it's an introduction to the Matrix.

Like we're getting like the first

whispers of the fog of the Matrix

as it envelops us. Yeah.

>> We're getting just these little clouds.

Like, "Oh, this is weird." Then

eventually it's going to be

We're going to just be in the full

cloud of the Matrix.

>> But I see people questioning everything

now. They're like, "Is this real?"

Everybody's sus about everything now.

You should. I mean, there's people like

prominent news people who've reposted

stories with videos in it that were like

straight out of a video game. Yeah.

It's very very weird time we're in.

Very. You know. But I think it's also

exciting.

Oh, it's definitely exciting.

>> it's fun. Yeah, well, it's weird.

Anytime things are weird, anytime things

are like, "Uh like Yeah. But that I

think it makes you really appreciate

actual things, like real physical

things, like real

>> real connection with people, real art.

Mhm.

>> You know, I think that's what's going to

happen a lot with AI. Like people's

actual artwork, like getting something

like like this uh chimp skull. This is

made with uh thimbles, symbols.

With Zildjian's.

>> Oh, yeah, I see that. This guy uh Shane

against the Machine.

He makes really Yeah, he's an artist.

Makes cool stuff. But like I know a guy

made that. Like when I'm [ __ ] around

with this like this guy made it.

>> Yeah, I think it'll make us value real

human-made art more.

And value like nuance and mistakes and

things not being perfect, you know?

Yeah. I mean that's part of what's

relatable about art. Is it and it's part

of

what makes us appreciate that it did

come from a person.

You know, like when you look at a really

cool painting like that painting. Like

that doesn't that's not perfect. Yeah.

>> supposed to be perfect.

I love that.

>> supposed to be an expression. You know,

it's it's like a person's work. It's

like their

whatever they are, their thing, their

essence is in that canvas. Mhm. You

know?

Yep. How did you get started doing

music? How old were you? You said you

recorded with your mom when you were

little?

>> Yeah. How old were you?

I was six when I did my first show. Wow.

>> Yeah. So, she was in like folk bands and

stuff. And she also plays Celtic harp.

And my dad was in a barbershop quartet.

My great grandma was an opera singer.

So, I just was like born into a an

extremely musical family and um

when I was like two,

uh

we were singing happy birthday to one of

my aunts and I started singing a

harmony. And my mom was like, "What is

going on? How is a two-year-old singing

harmony? I wasn't even able to like say

all the words, but the notes I was

singing were like the harmony part."

And then with all her bands that she was

playing with all the time,

I would be at the rehearsals and chiming

in and then they would like bring me up

on stage to do little guest appearances

and

um

>> [clears throat]

>> it It just very clear that that's what I

wanted to do.

Wow.

>> And so when I was six

we put together our first like hour-long

set and I played at a library me and my

mom together.

Wow.

>> And uh it was a Mother's Day show in

Madison, Wisconsin. Oh. So I'm from

Mazomanie. [clears throat] It's like a

1,500 person really small village

basically in Wisconsin.

Um

and so then

I just loved it and so we started

touring around the Midwest and played a

lot of

really random venues like um

elementary schools

libraries

uh women's health conventions.

I think the

one of the biggest shows I ever did was

actually a Boy Scouts thing.

And it was like 1,500 Boy Scouts. How

old [laughter] were you?

Um I started this from the time I was

six till

I went solo I think when I was 12 or

>> [laughter]

>> That's crazy.

>> Yeah. That's an interesting life though

to have your path carved out or at least

the direction Yeah.

>> at a very young age.

>> Yeah. And it wasn't like I was like a

Disney star or something so it wasn't

like on a big scale. It was

>> It was organic.

>> small and

but I made a decent money and

um I mean for a kid.

And I saved it up and then when I was 12

I bought my first grand piano with the

the money I'd saved up. Oh, wow.

>> Yeah.

And so then I started writing songs at

the piano like pop songs and stuff solo.

And it wasn't cool at that time to be

singing with my mom anymore. Like you

know, kids get really mean in middle

school. [laughter]

And they would like make fun of me cuz

we were singing the silliest like

like we are the colors of the rainbow

and never smoke tobacco and my grandma

slid down the mountain. These are some

of the song titles.

>> [laughter]

>> So it was silly and I got made fun of.

And so I wanted to sing pop songs.

And uh I went solo and my mom was not

stoked about that. Cuz like it had

become her career. Oh, wow.

>> Singing with me. Like we I would miss

like I would miss so much school.

Um sometimes I had six shows a week.

So, it was like a lot.

Hey, lie down, buddy.

>> But You're huffing and puffing.

>> [laughter]

>> Come on, buddy. Give me a kiss and then

lie down. Come on.

Come on, my buddy. Give me a kiss and

then everybody see you. Come on, buddy.

Give me a kiss.

Aw, look at that. I love you, too. Now,

lie down.

Go lie down, buddy. Go lie down.

Um so when you say your mom wasn't

stoked about that, then was that like

real friction between you guys? No, I

mean she was really supportive, but like

like I said it had become her career

singing with me. So, it was like

she had to adjust her whole lifestyle

and everything for that.

>> You know. That'd be a hard decision for

you then knowing that that's going to

bum your mom out.

Yes and no. I could I just like

I was so driven.

Well, at 12?

>> Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Well, what was the feeling? Like when

you say you're so driven, like what was

it inside you that made you want to

I just loved making music and performing

and writing.

And um I knew I just there was no like

option

of anything else I would do with my

life.

And I knew I wasn't going to sing with

my mom my whole life.

You know.

So, I had to at some time.

>> [laughter]

>> At 12? Yeah.

>> That's so crazy. God, that's so wild.

>> And I hated school so much and I begged

to be home schooled and

we couldn't figure that out. So, I ended

up dropping out um when I was 16.

Why did you hate it so much?

Um, because I was so focused on music, I

felt like I was wasting my time in

school. Wow. Um,

yeah.

There was this teacher that

my algebra teacher,

um, she said something to me that kind

of lit a fire under my ass in a good

way.

Um, she told me music isn't a career.

And I was like, I'll show you, [ __ ]

>> [laughter]

>> And so I dropped out and I never went

back after she said that. There's so

many teachers that have

influence over children that say things

like that. And it's such a crazy

irresponsible thing to say.

Yeah, cuz I had I had missed, um, or I

hadn't done my homework

because I had a show

the night before this day and then we

had a test and

I aced the test. I was a good student. I

had like a 3.9.

Um,

but I aced the test and but she was

like, but you got to do your homework

just like everybody else in this class.

And I was like, I had a show. I couldn't

I didn't have time.

And she was like, well, music's not a

career.

That's such a crazy thing to say cuz

it's clearly a career. Like, why do you

listen to music? Who's making it? When

you go to a concert, people are paying.

Is there someone Is there someone on

stage? Is that a career?

Like, what do you What the [ __ ] does

that mean? It's not a career.

>> it's like I mean, I guess everywhere.

It's everywhere.

>> People push the go to school, you know,

get a get a good job.

Um, and I just wasn't on that path ever.

It's very wild to be that focused at

such an early age.

But it is

there's it's something fun about those

kind of like, I'll show you, [ __ ]

stories.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

Like I could have taken that and been

like, I could have gone the other

direction with that comment, you know.

>> Right, you could have said, oh my god, I

don't want to be a loser. I'll be

homeless." Like, okay, she's right and

she's an adult, so she must know.

>> Right. But, yeah, I did the opposite. It

gave me a fire.

But, you get older and you realize like

there's a lot of people that are

teaching. They're like, they're just

teaching cuz they needed a teacher. It's

not because like we found this magical

person who's really good at educating

children, really good at like shaping

their minds and their futures. Yeah. No.

There's some good teachers. I have I

have some

really good teachers. But, she was not

one of them. But, she was not one of

them.

>> [clears throat]

>> it's hard to find someone that's really

good at a job that doesn't pay very

well. It's hard to find someone It is.

That's part of the problem.

>> part of the problem. And it's almost

like

you would think that if the future of

humanity is very important, one

[clears throat] of the most important

things would be education.

So, one of the most important things

would be finding the best teachers. And

how would you do that? You would pay

them. Yeah.

>> Really well.

>> Yeah. Like if we really cared about the

future of Earth.

>> [laughter]

>> We would spend a ton of money uh making

sure that these teachers are really well

educated and that they really understand

psychology, they really understand how

to motivate children.

Yeah. You would think. That would make a

lot of sense. Right, where it's so odd

how intelligent and capable and

innovative we are and yet so [ __ ]

foolish at the same time.

That we just allow that generation after

generation, shitty teachers not getting

paid, good teachers not getting

rewarded. Mhm. You know, and then they

they retire and they're like, "What was

that all for? Yeah.

>> Nobody cared. Nobody Nobody

appreciated what I was doing. You have

to fight for your pension, like

>> [sighs and gasps]

>> The whole system is so messed up. But,

the education system is so crazy because

I mean, essentially, I mean, when you go

down the tin foil hat road, it was

essentially designed to make factory

workers.

I mean, you know, there wasn't really

formal schooling like we have now where

children go at an early age and show up

and you know, and leave their parents

all day. That's like a fairly recent

thing in human history. And the reason

why they got people really early is

because that's how you can brainwash

them.

>> Right.

>> You get kids when they're 14, 15 years

old, they kind of already have their own

view of the world. It's hard to shape

them. But you get those little

5-year-olds, 6-year-olds. And then if

you get preschool, you know, cuz a lot

of people have to work, you know,

parents, both parents work. So then you

can get the kids real early. And then

you can make little workers out of them.

Mhm. Like walking a single file line and

Yeah.

>> like control everything.

>> Mhm. Sit in class, sit straight ahead.

Pledge allegiance. Yeah. Raise your

hand. If you can't pay attention, you

must have a disease. So we're going to

give you some medication.

>> Exactly.

>> Yeah, and then you're like

And you're just [ __ ] buzzing

[laughter] around.

>> should have had some of that medication

to be honest.

>> Probably not. No. No. Uh I I definitely

think I'm an undiagnosed ADHD case. But

I feel like almost everybody is. Well,

anybody that's any good at anything. I

We had this conversation yesterday with

my friend Eric. I was like, I think it's

a [ __ ] superpower. Yeah.

>> I really do. I I I don't think it's

negative at all. Yeah, there's a lot of

[ __ ] I can't pay attention to if it's

boring.

>> Right.

>> If it's boring, I check in and check

out.

>> super hyperfocus on things that you're

obsessed with, right?

>> yeah. Like I don't need to sleep. Yeah.

>> Like I could stay up for days if

something is really interesting. If I

get focused. Which is why I have to stay

away from video games and stuff like

that cuz I just lock in.

>> in for hours. Yeah, it's a problem. And

but but it's not just video games, it's

like anything that I really love. But

things that I I'm not interested in,

it's like I can't absorb it. It just

goes in and that's what high school was

like for me. It was like I'd be in

class, I'd be like, "This is torture."

But then I'd find something I really

loved and I'd be like fully locked in.

Yeah. But it took a while for me to cuz

I just thought I was going to be a

loser. I'm like, "Clearly I can never

hold a job. I'm not I can't take

direction.

pay attention. Like there's something

wrong with me. Like I'm not I'm just

going to be one of those people that's

just kind of a fringe person that's

never, you know, never fits in

anywhere." I'm like, "Okay. This is who

I am. I'll just get some weird odd jobs

to feed myself with." Like this is

literally how I was thinking about my

future. Look at you now. Well, I got

lucky.

>> [laughter]

>> I found some things that are

unconventional.

But there's so many children out there

that are told like, "Hey, music isn't a

career. You know, hey, you know,

whatever. Acting, writing books,

whatever it is, comedy."

So many is there telling you because

they didn't do it that you can't do it.

Yeah.

Yep. It's a bummer. Yeah. Like I was an

artist when I was young.

I wanted to be a comic book illustrator

when I was really young. And I had one

shitty high school art teacher who was

just such a [ __ ] He was so bad. And I

just I quit art my senior year. I was

like, "I don't want to go to this guy's

[ __ ] class." Like cuz it wasn't a big

high school and he was the only art

teacher. So I quit.

>> What What did he do? He was just

negative. Oh. He was like, "You can't

cuz I just wanted to draw what I wanted

to draw." You know, and I was into comic

book stuff like Conan the Barbarian and

superheroes and stuff like that. And he

was like, "You're not going to make a

living doing that. You're most likely

going to have to do like advertisements

for like diapers, like diaper ads." And

I was like, "Fucking

>> What? diaper ad?" Like that's his

explanation that he used, diaper ads.

And I would look at him and he just

looked like he looked depressed. He was

like this skinny guy with a pot belly

and he just Well, he's probably an

artist that didn't make it as an artist

and had to become an art teacher

instead. Exactly.

>> So, he's like bitter and

Yeah, well, we realized that, too, when

we looked at his actual art. We're like,

"Huh."

>> [laughter]

>> It's not very good. Not so inspired.

There's not a lot of fire in that belly,

you know? This is just a boring dude

who's just like depressed and sad. He

probably drank a lot. We see a skinny

person with a big belly, usually it's

like booze. Yeah.

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I mean, there's there's a lot of people

like that, even in like the music

industry. I feel like a lot of the

experts um in the game are just like

people who were artists and didn't make

it and now they're bitter and then they

try to

tell you how everything should go or how

you should do everything and Oh, yeah.

That got me for a while.

Well,

>> when I was really young and

I feel like those people are like

weights that you have to carry, you

know? Like, they build up resistance.

You build up strength from dealing with

those those [ __ ] people cuz their

stupid ideas, they get they actually get

in your head and you have to wrestle

with them.

>> For sure. Especially when you're super

young, like I was when I first moved to

LA, I was 17. Whoa. By yourself?

>> Yeah. Whoa.

>> Yeah. That's crazy.

>> And I was like very green, small town,

Midwest girl. Wow.

>> Just dropped in LA and like And really

pretty. That's a terrible combination.

>> Oh, it was weird.

>> Really pretty, 17. It was weird as [ __ ]

Midwest, oh god. Yeah. Look at you now,

shaved head, tattoo on it.

>> [laughter]

[gasps]

>> Yep. Yeah, you came out on the other end

good though.

But isn't it true though that like like

those kind of experiences like

experiencing like

oddity and uncertainty and just like the

the weirdness of like moving to a place

like LA when you're 17?

Like

when you get through it on the other

end, you're a different person. You're a

stronger person.

>> For sure.

I mean, every experience makes you

stronger, right? So.

Yeah, I just threw myself into this

crazy mix in LA and it was culture shock

like

So, what year was this when you moved to

LA?

>> Um

So, I was 17, so

and I was in the graduate Well, I should

have been in the graduating class of

2004.

So.

So, somewhere around 2003, 2004.

>> Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, and I lived with um the

guitar player from Culture Club.

Really? Roy Hay.

Wow.

>> Yeah, he had a house in Venice and I

crashed on on his couch and

it was wild.

Culture Club, Boy George.

>> Mhm.

Did you hang out with Boy George? No.

Never? No, he wasn't there. He was just

the guitar player.

>> On the phone. I don't know.

>> Yeah.

It was wild. There was a

murder next door the first month I moved

in.

Yeah, there's like a bloody mattress in

the little alleyway between the houses

and they taped they caution taped off

all the the houses and they had to

question us about like did we hear

screaming and

So I was just like sitting there on the

steps

um not allowed to leave while they were

taking the body out and

and then the coroner after he put the

body in the truck he came and sat next

to me on the steps and started like

hitting on me.

He was like

He was like

>> [laughter]

[gasps]

>> You're a very beautiful girl and like

you were just touching a dead body. This

is so weird. Where am I?

>> [laughter]

>> Oh god. That's crazy.

>> Yeah, welcome to LA.

Yeah, you got over that dead body real

quick. Like hey, where you from?

>> Yeah. [laughter]

[ __ ] blood in his fingernails.

>> Yeah.

Gross.

>> [sighs]

>> Wow, that's a movie. Mhm. Yeah.

Wow.

LA in 2003 was still okay.

Yeah. It was like not bad, you know?

It was still traffic and everything but

it hadn't gone completely sideways like

it is now. It's so weird when I go back

I'm like

this is unrecognizable. It just doesn't

seem like the same place. Every sign has

a for every building has a for lease

sign on it. It's like this is nuts. Like

it's hard to believe that this is that

you're like

when you see things like Detroit

Did you ever see that movie Roger and

Me? Mhm. It's [clears throat] a great

movie. It's Michael Moore and it's all

about the collapse of the Detroit

um automotive industry and how they

moved all the plants to Mexico

and um when they did that the entire

economy of Detroit and Flint, Michigan

and all these areas just

collapsed. Like

tens of hundreds of thousands people out

of work instantaneously with no

prospects. The industry was gone and

it's a horrific

dis- depiction of what can happen when

greedy people decide that they'll

they'll completely sabotage an entire

city so they can make, you know, X

amount more dollars and move all the

factors to places where you can pay

people a dollar a day or whatever the

[ __ ] they paying them.

And um

you know, I seen that, but I was like

oh, that was, you know, 1980s or 1960s

whenever when the when when the

the place was booming. Like Detroit was

at one point in time, I think the third

richest city in the world.

>> Woah. Yeah. See if that's true.

I'm pretty sure that's true.

But

um

it was all just cuz the automobile

manufacturing. I mean, everything was

made there. Ford, Chevy Chrysler, the

whole of our big cars. And it just

gone. You know.

>> town. Like a ghost town. And, you know,

and when I visited Detroit to work I'd

be like, wow, this is crazy. You see

trees growing through the middle of

houses. The houses are collapsed. And

like literally nobody took care of the

house. It was abandoned. So, trees grow

through the roofs and they're reclaiming

these homes. You see

you go by these

gigantic like buildings like industrial

buildings. All the windows are broken.

Everything.

>> No reliable historical source shows

Detroit as the third richest city in the

world. The common claim is actually

Detroit was the richest city in the

world or at least the US with one of the

highest living standards around 1950s,

not third. Oh, so it was the richest?

Woah.

>> not true. It's not That's the common

claim.

>> Yeah. Uh what it actually was

very high medium household income around

20% above US average and it's all

because of the automotive industry. Mhm.

One of the highest home ownership rates

in the country.

Because of this many commentators and

locals histories uh describe Detroit as

the wealthiest city in the US and by

some accounts having the highest

standard of living in the world in that

era.

Articles and tours about Detroit

repeatedly refer to it as the wealthiest

city in the world in the 1950s, not as

the third wealthiest.

So, is that true then that it was the

wealthiest city in the world?

>> That's I don't know.

They're just saying. Tours about

Detroit's history.

Uh the third richest city in the world

line seems to come from its memes,

social posts. Okay, these posts are

often mix or exaggeration of real facts.

Detroit truly was exceptionally rich by

US standards, but rankings like third in

the world are not backed by clear

clearly documented global per capita

income comparisons from that period.

Well, so it was rich. It was very

wealthy, very wealthy either way. And

when you think about the rest of the

world,

you know, like you know, people love to

use that term, the 1% like the top 1%.

Do you know what that is? Like for the

world? No, no. What is it?

>> $34,000.

>> No freaking way. Yeah.

$34,000

is the top 1% of Earth. That's crazy.

Crazy.

That's crazy.

>> it for the US?

>> [clears throat]

>> 1% if I had to guess.

Let's guess.

Um

I bet it's like $500,000 a year.

Do you think? What do you think it is?

250. 250?

What do you think it is, Jamie?

>> That's That's my guess. I don't know

though. 150. 150? Yeah. Top 1%?

>> Yeah. Wow. I'm guessing. All right,

let's

>> Oh, that's your guess.

>> Throw that in perplexity.

>> [laughter]

>> I was guessing. I didn't want to look.

>> Throw that sucker in perplexity. What

did I say? Half a million? Yeah. Top 1%

of the US, 700,000.

Yeah.

>> The

$700,000 or more depending on the data

source and year.

That's pretty crazy. So, for the United

States, 730 to 790,000 dollars per year,

most analysis.

Um and then for the rest of the world,

34,000.

Wow.

Crazy.

That's wild. That's wild. Yeah.

That's capitalism. Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> But

I bet there's probably some truth to in

order for the United States to have such

a high income, these other countries

have to get [ __ ] over.

Globally, you only needed annual income

on the order of 60,000 to 70,000 to be

in the top 1%. Oh, it used to be 34%

34,000.

>> One widely cited analysis found that in

2012, annual income of 50,000

was enough to be in the global 1%. So,

where's that 34,000 come from?

>> that was going around, too.

>> Oh, [ __ ] memes.

>> have been kind of true, but again, yeah,

memes. I saw it repeated by someone very

intelligent.

>> it up before, but I think it was a meme.

I'll look it up again to see what it

says.

Either way. I get I get those memes get

me all the time. I'm like, "Babe, look

at this."

>> [laughter]

>> And then you go to the comments and it's

like, all all fake. Yeah, there's a lot

of that. But, you know, that's the the

dirty thing about what what they did

with Detroit. Like, they decided that

they'll take advantage of these people

that are ultra poor, that are work

willing to work with. And it's not just

that they get paid a dollar a day or

whatever they get paid. It's there's no

health care. There's no benefits.

There's no retirement. There's no

dental. There's no nothing. You just get

that money and then figure it out on

your own. And then,

you know, you buy a Ford car and you

think it's made in America. Commonly

repeated claim the annual income about

$34,000 US puts you in the top 1% of the

world, but this comes from rough older

viral estimates. It's not based on

current rigorous global data. More

careful tools and data sets now suggest

that $34,000

uh places you well above the global

median, but likely closer to roughly the

top 5 to 10% worldwide, rather than the

top 1%.

Okay, so

it appears in social posts. Yeah. 60 is

still like Right, you're barely getting

by. Yeah.

>> make $50,000 in America, like you're

[ __ ] struggling. Yeah. Unless you're

super young, you don't have any

responsibilities.

>> That's a good question. Like what's the

average Yeah.

>> public school teacher salary in America?

Let's guess.

You think it's like 60 grand? I think

it's about that. I I bet it's about

that. Yeah. [snorts]

>> to guess.

Might be less actually.

What is it?

Dun dun dun.

74,000.

Public school teachers now average

74,000 to 75,000 per year. So that's

like

you know, you're okay.

Depends on where you live, but yeah.

>> Well, if you live in New York, you're

[ __ ] If you live in New York, you

live in a box. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty

good for Wisconsin.

Okay, um state averages lowest paying

states to above $90,000 and the highest

paying ones like California and New

York. So California and New York

$90,000. When it says what it says

though, it's way lower. Oh, starting

teacher pay significantly lower than the

overall average. Oh.

>> National estimate the average starting

teacher salary about $48,000.

Wow. Meaning it takes years of

experience and often advanced degrees to

reach or exceed that $74,000 average. So

if you get like really intelligent

people, even if they love children,

they're like, I can't do this. I can't

live like this.

>> Yeah. You start off at $48,000 a year,

that's [ __ ] bonkers.

That's not even a thousand dollars a

week, and then you have taxes, and then

you have an apartment, and then you have

food, and then you have a car, and then

>> Kids. Uh. Yeah. Uh.

Uh. How do people do it? Which is weird

that we put our preop priorities

um

in strange places. Like the amount of

money that goes through, you know,

various corporations and NGOs, and the

amount of loans that all this different

[ __ ] [ __ ] that where our tax dollars

go, and you look at that, and you're

like, that it seems so short-sighted.

Mhm.

Very. Yeah.

No politician runs on that. No

politicians like, we need to

really find the best teachers and pay

them the most amount of money that we

can afford to make sure that we get the

best and the brightest.

Everybody's like, [ __ ] you.

>> [laughter]

>> It's weird. Yeah, it is.

People are strange. Yeah.

I wish you could like

check boxes of where you want your tax

dollars to go. Oh, 100%. Yeah.

>> I want it to go to education or

whatever. Yeah, imagine if that was an

option, if when you voted, you could

actually vote on where your taxes went.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

Like not even voted. It should be

actually individually. He might have to

pee.

He's acting in a

Yeah, let let him out. Cuz generally he

would be chilling by now.

And when he huffs like that, he's

usually trying to let you know

something. Yeah, like he That's what he

does when he has to eat, he huffs. Yeah.

>> [panting]

>> I get it, I get it. Chill out, bro.

My dog does that when she senses

something outside.

Like a coyote or something. She starts

huffing.

Well, you guys were saying you have a

one of them giant Caucasian Shepherds.

Is that what it is?

>> Yeah. It's a Central Asian Shepherd. We

have an Alabai. I guess there's a lot of

different like

breeds under the Central Asian Shepherd.

They're all herding dogs, right? They

like protect

>> It's a protection livestock.

[clears throat]

>> They are

Pull up a the image of an Alabai dog.

Just Google wolf crusher.

Is that what they call them?

>> Yeah.

How much does it weigh? She's actually

on the smaller side. She's like 105 lb

or something.

>> Oh, that is smaller. But she her head is

so massive.

They get They get really big.

That one can't be real.

>> [laughter]

>> But they are massive. Like

Oh, so that's what she looks like.

>> Yeah, pretty much.

She's all white.

But those dogs are great for just like

keeping track of the property. Look at

that image. This is wolf crusher in the

bottom the the bottom right there. All

right, go to the left. Right Left of the

wolf grinder thing. Yeah, that that one

right there. So that I think is like a

Turkish Kangal.

Uh

>> Um which is I think the next dog we're

going to get. Cuz we need another one.

Um

Our our Alabai Nala, she

I'm just like such an animal lover. So

she should really should be outside

living on the ranch.

But she sleeps in bed.

>> [laughter]

>> So I need an outside dog that's actually

watching the livestock. Cuz this past

couple weeks we lost them.

12 chickens and

four sheep. To what? Coyotes. Wow.

Where do you live? Napa. Napa Valley.

Wow. You have that many coyotes out

there?

>> Oh, they are invading our property right

now. Mhm. It's been

the last few weeks have been really

rough. Once they know that there's food

there. Yeah. It's very

>> taste the blood, they come back every

night. Yeah, I lost all my chickens in

California. Yeah. We we will lost a

couple of them every now and then.

I had a a dog, um, his name is Johnny

Cash and he was a mastiff and he was a

sweetheart of a dog, but he was huge. It

was like 140 lb solid muscle. And um,

these coyotes made friends with him. And

so they would come by the fence and hang

out with them and then eventually he got

like accustomed to them and then one day

the pool guy accidentally left the gate

open.

And so he went into the area where the

chicken coop is. The chicken coop is

like completely protected, but we had

one of our chickens was brooding. Do you

know what brooding is?

>> Yeah, yeah. Okay. Of course you do. So,

um, when you take chickens when they're

brooding, you have to take them away

from the other chickens and you put them

in a smaller coop and they have to

perch. So, if they perch, then they

don't think that they're sitting on an

egg and then they get over it after a

while.

>> Yeah. And the coyote tricked Johnny into

smashing that little chicken coop so

that he can get the chicken.

What do you mean? I don't know how this

[ __ ] did it, but it couldn't

break down the chicken coop cuz it was

only like 30 lb. And so it was over

there with Johnny. And all of a sudden

me and my wife and our kids were playing

some sort of a like Monopoly or

something in the living room and someone

yells coyote and one of my kids yelled

coyote and we see the coyote running

across the backyard with the chicken in

its mouth.

And then leaps onto the top of the

fence. I thought we had like this fence

that was probably like 6 ft tall or

something like that, like wrought iron

fence. I'm like, that'll keep the

coyotes out. No, it leapt like a

ballerina, like a like a gymnast. Toes

to the top of the fence and then off

with the chicken in its mouth and part

of me was like so impressed that it did

that I wasn't even mad, but a part I was

like, what the [ __ ] I was like, how did

he get that? So, we go outside and

there's Johnny standing there in in

front of this destroyed chicken coop,

which clearly he did.

>> Yeah, cuz the coyote couldn't have done

that.

>> Yeah. And so then he realized that um

chickens are to be killed

and so someone

left the gate open again and he decided

to just go right through the big chicken

coop and he killed nine of them

before one of my daughters was

screaming, "Johnny's in the chicken

coop."

>> No.

>> And yeah, he made a mess out of it.

That's awful.

>> Well, he didn't know. I know, but

My chickens are like my pets. Yeah. I

like snuggle with them and stuff. We

lost one to a bobcat last week. Yeah, we

had some bobcats take some of ours, too.

Yeah.

>> we lost one to a fox.

We lost one to a fox like a couple weeks

ago. Do you free range your chickens? Do

you let them out of the coop every day?

Yeah. They get out of the coop and then

we bring them in at night, but the you

know, [ __ ] animals, they figure it

out. Yeah, so like last week

cuz um we let the chickens out every

morning. It was 6:30 in the morning and

this coyote came and killed 12 like

back-to-back.

Just one coyote? Well, um on the

cameras, that's we only saw one. Wow.

>> Yeah. So, it was like surplus killing.

Yeah, thrill killing. Well, they don't

they kill and then they leave them there

and then they go back and get them

later. You know, they do that with cats,

you know.

>> mountain lions do that for sure.

>> Mhm. But um

Yeah, it was weird.

He just killed them all and then

took like a few of them with them. Left

some of them.

Mhm.

Mother [ __ ]

>> It was awful. I was broken cuz it it

took my favorite chicken and

her name was Big Cheeks.

She was sweetest. She would like come

like a dog. You could like call her name

and she would come to you and Do you eat

chicken? Yeah, but not my chickens.

>> don't eat my chickens [laughter] either,

but it's always weird cuz my wife treats

the chickens like they're little babies.

Like, "Hey girls. Hey girls." Like she

takes care of them and all that stuff

and and then we'll be eating chicken.

Yeah.

>> [laughter]

>> It's odd. Yeah. It's odd.

>> we have cows, too. And I eat I eat beef.

Do you eat your cows?

Well, they're not technically our cows.

So we have like an arrangement with a

like a cattle guy and he just uses our

property to graze them. Okay. Cuz we

need the cows cuz we have a biodynamic

vineyard. Oh. And so we use the cows in

the vineyard

um

like for a few months out of the year

just because it creates like a great

ecosystem and also like their footprints

make little puddles and the water

gathers cuz we're also dry farmed.

And so

>> What's that mean? We don't water

our grapes. Really? Yeah.

So um Why is that? [clears throat]

I'm not the wine expert, but

I think it's because uh you get like a

better flavor profile if you like it's

more concentrated. Uh-huh.

>> If you don't like overload them with

water.

Um and also it makes the vines struggle

in a good way. So it makes them reach

deeper. Like the the roots reach deeper

into the ground.

And so you get more like

flavor, I guess. And so this is your own

wine?

So we don't make the wine. We sell the

grapes to um

I think we have five different wine

makers now. They're all doing single

estate

uh wines from our property. Um

so they're not blending it with

anything. So, you can drink the wine

from our property, but it's not our

label cuz I don't want to go out there

and sell wine and make people taste my

wine and I don't want to go

>> [laughter]

>> down that hole marketing. It's like I

have a whole other job. I don't need

that one. That seems like a lot.

>> handle the farming.

That's cool, though.

What if somebody wanted to buy wine from

your property? Like what are the wines?

Well, our property is called Glass Rock.

And so, um Pilcrow Glass Rock, um Tansey

Glass Rock. Oh, so they all say Glass

Rock based on the farm?

>> They have like a their brand name or

whatever, and then underneath it will

say like the vineyard site.

So, if you get it from a Glass Rock

>> to buy some wine from your farm.

>> Oh, I'll send you some. Do you like

wine? I do. Oh.

>> I do. I like wine. Okay, I'm going to

just mail you a package of all of the

wines from our property. Okay. Cool. Um

it's all Cabernet, but we're taking like

an old world approach to it cuz Napa

cabs are like super powerful, tons of

alcohol,

and that's not not really my style. I

like like French and Italian wines

usually.

And so, all the winemakers we're working

with are are taking that approach. And

so, we're picking a little bit earlier,

lower sugars, lower alcohol.

It's really delicious, delicate,

beautiful wine. How did you get involved

in this?

Um

well,

I got really into wine like in my 20s.

And then, um

I

took a trip to Napa for a birthday.

And it's so beautiful there. Have you

been to Napa?

>> It's gorgeous. So, I just like fell in

love with the area.

And then, um

I met the love of my life at the grocery

store there.

As I was buying a watermelon, and he

asked if he could carry my melon for me.

And that was his pick up line.

Um

>> [laughter]

>> I actually turned him I turned

>> him down though. I said no. Yeah.

Um but we

Um Carlo Mondavi is his best friend. Uh

do you know Mondavi?

>> Mondavi wines?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. So he's grandson of Robert

Mondavi. Oh. Um and so they're like best

friends and Carlo I was living in Park

City, Utah at the time.

And Carlo had a house in my

neighborhood. So that was like our

mutual connection friend.

Um

And so I would just come to Napa to

visit Carlo and he would teach me about

all the wine stuff and um

And that's how I met Elliot when we were

at the grocery store.

And uh

then a year later we got together

officially. We just kind of like kept in

touch. I was married at the time. He was

in a relationship. So it was very

dramatic.

But

>> [laughter]

>> long story short [clears throat] it was

very dramatic. Turned into a crazy

divorce, 5-year lawsuit, all this crazy

[ __ ]

>> Woah. Um but anyway Those are fun.

>> Yeah, it was fantastic. So then I um

moved to Napa and moved in with Elliot

um

a year after we met. And so then we but

we lived in St. Helena, which is like a

town up the valley from from Napa

proper. And um it was like a 400-acre

ranch out in the middle of nowhere.

Um and we had like a 400-sq-ft house.

Like a little tiny cabin basically that

we lived in.

And after a while like I kept getting

cats and stuff. I was like this is

really small.

>> [clears throat]

>> And I have like I have to make music

after I record and like having a studio

in a 400-sq-ft house it was just you

know. So then we ended up um buying this

house down in in Napa. and we bought it

for the house, but there was a vineyard

there.

And so we're like, we got to figure out

what to do with the vineyard, and it was

conventionally farmed up to that point.

Um but we're

>> Conventionally meaning irrigated

>> they used pesticides, like, you know,

like pretty much most of the well,

vineyards.

You know. Yeah. And but we're very all

about organic and everything.

>> too, because one of the things that we

were reading the other day was about

glyphosate in California wines, and that

they had tested a bunch of California

wines, and all of them Yeah. had

glyphosate in it.

>> Yeah, so we don't use any of that.

>> That's awesome.

>> Yeah, we're very anti. So we transformed

the vineyard

into this biodynamic, organically farmed

um Did you know how to do that before

that, or did you read books? How'd you

find out how to do it?

>> No, we hired a farmer for a while, um

from France,

that

that was his like forte, basically. Um

So we transformed the vineyard, and then

now Elliot's out there doing a lot of

the farming. Obviously, we have help. Um

it's cuz we have like

something like 9 acres planted of

vineyard, um and so we have help, but um

he's out there running the tractors and

stuff.

Wow. Yeah. He's He's always done

He's always done like a lot of like

tractor work.

Um

but not ever in a vineyard, so it's it's

all new to us, but it's fun. That That

life of like being on a piece of land

and growing something there, and like

living with animals, that is like the

romantic life that everyone thinks

about.

>> really is.

>> Is it that cool? It's Yeah, it's

awesome. You got to come. I think you'll

love it.

>> It sounds amazing. I want to do that.

I've thought about doing that many

times, like buying a ranch, living on a

ranch. It's just like

I get terrified of like adding one more

thing to my life that will probably push

out some things or

eat up time. I just don't know where I'm

getting that time from. That's the only

hesitation that I have. You can just

hire help. Yeah, but then you have to

talk to them and you have to deal with

them.

You have to deal with like interpersonal

drama between the help and like Mike's a

piece of [ __ ] Let me tell you. Like go

[ __ ] [laughter]

You know what I mean? Yeah. It's worth

it though. Honestly, it really is. It's

so peaceful. Like especially

being in the industry I'm in, going out

and like touring and

just being in big cities and then coming

home to this like peaceful, serene ranch

life.

>> It's Yeah, it's the perfect balance.

Yeah.

Well, that is probably the key to

staying sane as a performer.

Like having a balance.

>> so.

Because so many of them just as [ __ ]

just stay on the road and

you you you kind of like lose your

roots. You lose your grounding. You're

you're always performing.

>> Well, and for me it like living in LA

really ruined my creativity. How so?

Um I think a lot of it was like

I'm

I have a tendency to like give everybody

too much power. So like all these

so-called experts, like listening to

their opinions about what I was doing,

um it just got in my head.

And so um

removing myself, being able to remove

myself from those characters and

personalities telling me what they

thought I should be

doing, like writing about, singing

about, dressing, whatever. Oh.

>> Um I just

I need to like have open spaces to

really hear my own inner voice and like

my gut, you know? Mhm. Um so I left LA

when I was

23

and

I moved up to Oregon.

for a while. I lived in a cabin.

By yourself?

>> Yeah. Really? How'd you find it?

Um

well, I had I'd been on tour

and I was playing keyboards and singing

backups for somebody else. So

I can back up a little bit. So I I got

my first record deal when I was um 18 or

something

and put out an album that was with uh

Warner Brothers. Lincoln Park signed me.

Um and I was going by the name Holly

Brook at the time. That's my first and

middle name.

And so I I put out an album

through that and it completely like

flopped. And I went broke. And you know,

LA's so expensive.

And I had spent all my college savings

to move out to LA and make demos and

everything. So I had nothing left.

And um

so then I had taken uh so for the first

time in my life I had to get some jobs.

Like

not just performing. So I worked in

Barnes & Noble.

Um I taught gymnastics.

And I edited porn.

You edited porn?

>> Mhm. Woah.

Yeah, it was a great experience. That's

got to be a weird

>> weird.

>> Well, how did you take that job? First

of all, how'd you even find out about

that job? Well, it was a Craigslist ad.

And

>> [clears throat]

[laughter]

>> it was just like

we need video editors. And I was like,

"Oh, I can I can figure that out." cuz I

edit in Pro Tools and stuff. Music. So

it can't be that hard.

And they said they would train.

So I showed up to the interview in a

suit.

And

>> [laughter]

>> they were like, "So you know this is

adult content?" Cuz it didn't say that

in the ad.

And I was like

>> That's how they brought it up. You know

this is adult content? Like how the [ __ ]

would you know?

>> And then they're like, are you cool with

that? And I was like,

I guess so, cuz I need the job.

And so I just took it.

And it was a 9:00 to 5:00 literally just

looking at like the most disgusting [ __ ]

you can imagine.

Like two girls one cup is got nothing on

what [laughter] I saw. Really? Yeah.

So it was like hardcore porn? Hardcore

porn and like was like

it wasn't editing feature films. It was

taking like a feature film and then

cutting out all the highlights so that I

could make like basically reels or like,

you know,

it wasn't Instagram but uh basically

like these little clips that people

would search and and find

[clears throat] like a [ __ ] shot or like

a cream pie or whatever search term they

would use to find this specific little

clip. And so I would put together these

little clips and then tag it with all

the search terms somebody would use to

find it. That was the the job. And so it

was all just like watch the whole film

and pick out all the most disgusting

>> [laughter]

>> moments you can find

and turn that into a a clip.

>> [snorts]

>> Um

and then I started getting this thing

called the Tetris effect. Have you heard

of that?

>> No. So like if you play Tetris for too

long, you start seeing like the shapes

falling. You hallucinate basically. So

you'll just like be making dinner or

whatever and you're just like

hallucinating like the Tetris shapes,

but I was hallucinating like gaping butt

holes then.

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah. Oh my god.

And [snorts] so

>> [laughter]

>> How long did [clears throat] you do that

job for?

>> lasted two weeks, but it was the best

paying job

out of all of them that I had cuz I got

paid by how many clips I got done in a

certain amount of time and so I was

making like 30 bucks an hour, which is

great for a high school dropout, you

know? Um and so it was good money, but

I um

with the Tetris effect thing happening

to me,

um

there was like a

a light socket over my bed

that I had taken the light bulb out of

cuz it was too bright. And every night

when I fell asleep, I would like stare

at that and see a gaping butthole.

>> [laughter]

>> I was

I was just like, "This is not healthy.

Like [snorts] this is can't be good for

me to continue doing, you know?" No. And

then I also simultaneously got offered

to be a keyboardist

for this other singer, Duncan Sheik.

He's like a '90s He had a song called

"Barely Breathing" in the '90s.

Um

and I was a fan. And so I was like,

"Well, that sounds like a better job,

you know?" Definitely.

>> and it's music at least.

So I went on tour with him for a while.

Um I don't know if it was like a year or

two.

But the whole time I was just like,

"I wish I was making my own music and

singing my own music, you know?"

It started really eating at me being

like the backup musician.

And so um I was like journaling a lot on

tour and I wrote, "I just want a cabin

in the woods where I can set up my

studio and be away from all these people

and

um basically I manifested the cabin

because

like 6 months after I wrote that in my

journal, my mom called me and she was

like, "My friend has this property in

Oregon and she has a cabin and she's

willing to let you live there for free.

Um you just have to work in her art

gallery selling art like twice a week."

And I was like, "That sounds perfect."

Wow. So that's what I did.

>> how you wind up in Oregon.

>> So that's how I wind up in Oregon.

>> What part of Oregon? It's the southern

coast. Um it was in the middle of

nowhere, but it's basically near Bandon.

Do you know where Bandon Dunes golf

courses is? No. Have you heard of that?

No. Um it's a really famous golf course,

but um,

it was kind of near there.

And

I'm I lived there for like 6 months.

Um, set [clears throat] up my studio,

kind of like had to rediscover my love

for music and fall back in love with it

cuz I had like writer's block and was

really depressed.

I had also

just before that broke up with my

boyfriend at the time.

And was my heart was broken and it was

just like I was

I was a mess. [clears throat]

Um, but my cabin was um,

this really small one room

cabin with one light bulb

and there was no bathroom

>> [clears throat]

>> in it. There was a bathroom outside.

And so I had to like walk in the middle

of the night if I had to pee, I had to

walk to the bathroom and I was like

terrified.

>> Was it an outhouse? No, it it had a a

flushing toilet and a shower. But it was

like a stand-alone?

>> separate from the cabin and like down a

path.

By itself? Yeah. Just a bathroom? Yeah.

Why would anybody

>> well because the cabin was like an old

fire lookout

that they turned into a cabin. So it

didn't have like plumbing or something.

So they like add I don't know.

But

it was really beautiful.

And it was also at the top of a sand

dune so I couldn't drive up to it. So I

had to park it down the hill and hike to

it.

How far was the hike?

Like a quarter mile.

Every day? Yeah.

Yeah.

And so and I didn't have like internet

or anything up there.

Um,

>> Wow.

But it was great. But I was terrified of

mountain lions

the whole time. Mhm. And so I would

like,

you know, walking up that hill at night

if I came home from whatever, um, I

would have my flashlight and was like

looking all directions like

>> [laughter]

>> and I actually made a mask to wear on on

back of my head cuz apparently like eye

contact with a mountain lion like they

won't attack.

And so but cuz they attack you from the

behind, so like wear a mask on the back

of my head.

Wow.

>> [laughter]

>> That's Who told you how to do that?

I don't know, Google.

There's um I don't know if it's real,

but I but I did it. It's real for

tigers. There's um a group of people

that work for the government in the

Sundarbans.

The So, the Sundarbans is this area in

India that's notorious for

tigers eating people.

And apparently

over the Let's just Google this number

cuz I'll [ __ ] this up, too. I think over

the last 200 years, something insane

like 300,000 people have been killed by

tigers

in this area. Yeah.

>> That's insane. Yeah. Well, there's a lot

of villages there, and then there's also

typhoons.

And apparently when these storms happen,

sometimes people die and they wind up in

the river,

and you know, they get washed away, and

the tigers apparently developed taste

for human.

Mhm. And um then there's also this

thought about um

the water. The water is not fresh. It's

brackish. So, the water has a high salt

content in it, but they still drink it

cuz it's the only salt water, so they're

probably constantly irritated. Mhm.

Um the Sundarbans usually prone to

attacking, sometimes eating humans,

causing dozens of deaths every year, but

not every tiger there is a man-eater.

Aw, sweet. Historical reports suggest

Sundarban tigers regularly killed 50 to

60 people per year with some estimates

over 100, especially

including unreported cases. Most recent

expert estimates put the average about

22 to 23 human deaths per year in the

Sundarbans, far lower than the popular

perception.

Well, there's like clusters of attack.

Oh, yeah, here it is. Local news

reported clusters of attacks, multiple

fishermen and crab catchers killed

within a month, showing that risk can

spike in certain areas or seasons. Um I

had a bit in my 2009 comedy special

about this attack that happened in the

Sundarbans where there was four guys in

a boat.

And this uh tiger swam out to the boat,

killed the guy, dragged him to shore,

dropped his body off, jumped back in the

water, swam to the boat, killed another

guy, jumped back in the water.

>> Did it with three guys before he got

tired. And the last guy is just [ __ ]

[ __ ] his pants on the boat by

himself. One guy lived. So So, these are

the people that would walk around with

these masks on the back of their heads.

Oh, wow. Yeah. So,

I did the right thing.

>> Yeah, you did the right thing. Well, at

least for tigers. But, there's um

>> I'll I'll catch them.

>> who are these people all living around

there?

These are honey collectors in the

Sundarbans

to prevent tiger attacks. Like, you got

to know there's a lot of tiger attacks

when you're wearing a [ __ ] mask on

your head when you're going to work.

Woo.

>> Yeah, that's creepy.

Yeah.

[ __ ] scary.

>> Mhm. That's a crazy way to to die, too.

>> Mhm.

Yeah, especially a tiger. It's probably

pretty quick, though.

I guess once they get a hold of you,

it's just smoosh.

They get the back of your neck. Yeah, I

mean, it probably happens fast. Ah.

Yeah. Mountain lion would probably take

a little longer.

I don't know.

Yeah. Probably 20 minutes.

15, depending on what you scream. Depend

>> [laughter]

>> Yeah. We've We've had to deal with

those, too. Did you have a gun or

anything when you were up there? No. No?

Um

>> about getting one?

No, I didn't, actually.

I had an axe.

It's better than nothing. It was I was

just chopping wood cuz I had a little

wood stove.

>> afraid of mountain lions, how come you

didn't get a gun?

I don't know. I didn't even think about

it. I don't know why.

Wow.

That'd be the first thing I thought of.

There's not a [ __ ] chance in hell I'm

walking around there without a gun.

Yeah.

I don't think at that point I was into

guns yet.

Are you into them now? Yeah. Yeah?

>> We have a gun range at our house. Oh,

that's cool.

>> Yeah.

Elliot's very into them.

I have a carry permit.

Good for you. Yeah.

Good.

Um

Have you ever seen a big cat in the

wild?

>> Oh, yeah. A mountain lion. Yeah, what's

the biggest one you saw?

Like a real big one?

Um

I don't think the ones I saw were huge.

They were like 100, maybe 150.

The first one I ever saw was just in

Colorado. It one It actually wound up

getting one of my dogs. And this was uh

It got your dog? Mhm. No.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Oh.

I lived in um

a place called Gold Hill. It's like

north of Boulder. So, it's like uh 3,000

ft above Boulder. It was [ __ ]

beautiful. Gorgeous. I would have stayed

there. But um

um it's very high altitude. It's like

8,500 ft above sea level. And my wife

got pregnant. And when you are um if

you're

pregnant at very high altitude and

you're not accustomed to that, it's like

you have the flu every day. It's

horrible.

And we wound up going back to LA. But uh

so, that was the first one that I saw.

And then I saw one in Santa Barbara. I

saw one in uh and actually in Montecito.

We were driving.

And I saw this thing running across the

road. I was like, "Oh, is that a

coyote?" And and I saw the tail. Yeah,

the tail is a giveaway.

>> "Oh, it's a [ __ ] mountain lion. Like,

that's wild." But, that one wasn't even

that big. That was like 70 lb.

And then, uh a couple of years ago, I

was in Utah with my friend Colton, and

we were driving around this corner, and

he goes, "Dude, look under that tree.

Look at that cat." And we see the

glowing eyes of this cat because it was

like just starting to get dark out, and

uh I was probably 30 yd from this thing

in the truck with the binoculars, just

looking at its head.

Its [ __ ] head was massive, like a

pumpkin. Like, the muscles, the mandible

muscles were like these things around

its head, just a crushing machine, and

these huge forearms. That's what I

remember about it the most. His forearms

were massive. And it was just sitting

there under that tree, staring at us.

And I was in the truck. Like, I wasn't,

you know, we were armed, and we were in

a truck, and I was still [ __ ] my

pants. I was like, "That thing is so

big."

>> How much do you think it weighed?

At least 180 lb, maybe 200. It was a big

tomcat, like that one that we have out

front, like that, like that size. Wow.

Yeah. It was like, that one was one my

friend Adam Greentree killed, and he uh

killed that in Colorado, and it that one

they had a depredation permit because it

was targeting this rancher's cows, and

uh they they had tracked it, and that

day, as they were tracking it, it had

killed one of these cows, and just it

was still alive. They it just gutted it.

It basically took it down and just

started eating its organs while it was

still alive. Yeah, that's what they do.

Yeah.

It was pretty rough. Yeah. They're

monsters. We had that We had an issue

with mountain lions up at our other

property in Napa.

We had sheep, and um

I was actually on tour

with M&M

and um got a text [clears throat] from

our neighbor that our sheep had had

babies

on Valentine's Day.

And so I was like so excited to get home

and take care of these lambs and um

I guess one of the the lambs was

rejected by the mother. Oh. And so

[clears throat]

we had to bottle-feed it.

So which is the best thing ever. I love

that. You know, some people think it's

like a unnecessary chore to take care of

bottle babies, but I love it. So like

three times a day feeding this thing and

she became like a dog. Like she would

follow me everywhere. She slept on my

front porch. Um her name was Valentine.

I got a tattoo of her actually. Right

here. Oh.

And um

but

so like a few months

later we had had like

maybe 10 lambs at that point. Little

babies. They're so cute.

Um

and like one morning

Oh. Well, so our the property was like

400 acres and so and our house is so

small. We had like other little

buildings on the property. So I'd set my

studio up in one of the other buildings.

And so I would drive up there. It's like

a half mile up the driveway. And um I

was driving one day up to the studio and

I saw this mountain lion like crossing