We Give Discipline Too Much Credit, Here’s What Actually Works
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Okay. Well, don't ponder yourself into
stagnation, div.a, you got this. So,
there's something really cool about
this. So, a lot of people get stuck and
we sometimes call this analysis
paralysis, right? Because you don't know
what to do and then we feel stagnant,
right? So, inaction feels like
stagnation, but it's not really
stagnation. It's often times conflict.
If you don't know what to do, which is
often times a conflict between what you
want and what you should, what a lot of
people assume is that I need to use
willpower. I need to use discipline. And
it turns out that using willpower or
discipline fosters something called
action crisis. Okay? And I'll explain
how this works. So let's say that I want
to do one thing and I should do
something else. When I'm in that
situation, I use willpower to overcome
my want and move towards my should. And
a lot of people will be of the mind that
like this is the right thing to do.
Right? Then you blame yourself for being
lazy. You blame yourself for being
undisiplined. You look at other people
who are consistently moving in a
particular direction. I love this paper.
Stuck in limbo. Motivational anticedants
and consequences of experiencing action
crises in personal goal pursuit. So
controlled motivation has been
positively associated with a
participant's intended effort at the
decisional phase of goal striving, but
it was not shown to translate into
actual goal effort at 2 or 4 weeks
later. suggests that people have trouble
translating their controlled intentions
to tangible activity at the actional
phase of goal pursuit. So what is a
controlled intention? First thing
controlled motivation. Controlled
motivation is things where you have to
control your motivation basically when
you have to force yourself to do
something i.e. willpower or discipline.
So controlled intention is not our
natural intention. Our natural intention
is I want to hang out today. My
controlled dis in intention is I need to
work today. So often times we have a
struggle between something called a
controlled intention and autonomous
motivation. Right? So what does
autonomous motivation mean? Autonomous
motivation means it's what you naturally
want to do. And controlled motivation
means it's what you don't want to do but
when you try to control your motivation.
And here's the crazy thing. Right? So if
you measure in this study, if you
measure at the po moment of crisis when
you're stuck, if you measure controlled
motivation, it can be high. But two
weeks later and four weeks later, it's
low. And this is our experience, right?
So if you use willpower to force
yourself into something, what happens
two weeks later? What happens four weeks
later? Oftent times what you end up
doing is finding yourself in another
situation where you have to use
willpower because you don't feel like
it. So one study on LinkedIn, for what
it's worth, found that 70% of people, I
think, no, had an early life crisis or
were burnt out. I forget, right? But the
levels of burnout are really high. Why
do people wind up in a state of burnout?
It's because when they don't feel like
doing something, they force themselves
into it. And when you force yourself
into it, it's not like you wake up
tomorrow and then you want to do it. In
fact, it's the opposite, right? You are
squashing your wants. So then your
automatic motivation, that intrinsic
motivation, that internal motivation is
not being selected for. It's not being
supported. So what we tend to see and
this is what this paper shows is that
when you use control motivation, when
you use willpower, a couple of things
happen. First is when we force ourselves
to something, frustrations or setbacks
set in. Controlled goals may have a hard
time competing against other action
tendencies resulting in an action
crisis. I.e. you can force yourself to
do something, but when that thing gets
hard, then you want to do what you feel
like is basically what it's saying. the
valitional strength behind them is
likely to fade once obstacles are
encountered. So if you use willpower, I
don't know if this makes sense, there's
a good chance that you will need to use
more down the road. Right? Here's the
really interesting thing. Controlled
motivation represented an independent
risk factor for developing midsemester
action crises after controlling for the
personality traits of action
orientation, which we can get to later.
Controlled goals by their definition
represent a conflict between external
demands or internal pressures and
inherent psychological needs and growth
tendencies. So what does this mean? This
means this is insane. Using willpower,
forcing yourself to do something is an
independent risk factor for stagnation,
for analysis paralysis. When you force
yourself to do something, you are not
overcoming analysis paralysis. This is
the [ __ ] part. You're not overcoming
analysis paralysis. You are creating
analysis paralysis. And even though that
sounds insane, right? Because that's
insane. If you look at your life, this
is exactly what you see. You see that
when you force yourself to do things,
you end up having to force yourself to
do things. Now, there is an element of
conscientiousness, and that's what's
pretty cool about the study. This study
looked at conscientiousness and
neuroticism. So conscientiousness is the
tendency to work towards a goal with
delayed gratification without reward
things like that. Okay. So there are a
lot of people out there who will use
willpower.
But this is the tricky thing. It's not
that they actually use a ton of
willpower. It's that they are more okay
not giving into themselves in the first
place. And there is absolutely I'm not
saying never use willpower. Willpower is
great. Right? So there are many
situations in which if we use willpower
sufficiently,
we will eventually train our neurons to
be okay with something that can
absolutely happen too. But I want y'all
to look at the bigger picture here for a
moment and look at what many people
experience. What many people experience
is the opposite of that. Many people
experience I use willpower and then I
don't feel like doing it. I use
willpower, I don't feel like doing it. I
use willpower. I've been using willpower
every single day. I'm burnt out in my
career. I've been in this job for three
year. three years. I force myself to go
every day and things don't get better,
they get worse. Every day you have to
fight more. Willpower becomes a drug
that your motivational system becomes
addicted to and it needs more willpower
and more willpower and more willpower to
keep going. How do we fix this? How do
we stop being stagnated? So, these are
the kinds of behavioral things that we
really lean into with coaching. So, I'll
give you all a simple example. when I
was putting together the pro program.
Okay, so a lot of people get confused
because they come into coaching and
they're like, "Oh my god, we're going to
explain what we do in coaching. Going to
give you all a cheat sheet right here
and now of the psychology of how this
works." Okay, a lot of people think I
want my coach to help me accomplish this
thing. That's not actually what coaches
do. Coaches, it's really confusing for
many people because they come in, the
coach starts asking you about your
feelings. So the key thing if we want to
fix things is not to force ourselves to
do it. It is to self-conordant goals are
thought to arise from a person's
lifelonging evolving interests and his
or her core values. Since autonomous
goals reflect people's authentic values
and interests, they allow individuals to
draw upon valitional resources such as
sustained gold effort to ensure
consistent goal energization. So if you
don't want to use willpower, if you
don't want to become dependent on
willpower, there are two things that you
need to do. You need to ask yourself
what do you want? Why do you want it?
You need to actually explore what you
want. And then the second thing that you
need to do is focus on what you're going
to do. So I know this sounds weird, but
most people think that the problem is
behavioral. How do I get myself to do
something? And this is why everyone
loves habit building because habit
building is about getting yourself to do
something automatically without effort.
And there's a lot of merit to habit
building. But be clear, habit building
has nothing to do with motivation.
Habit building bypasses the motivational
circuit. The biggest problem with
building habits is that you never do
extra. You guys understand that once
something is habitual, you never go the
extra mile with a habit because the
whole point is that it's programmed.
It's automatic. Habit building raises
the floor of behavior from zero to 50.
It never gets you to 100. It never gets
you to 150. The people who accomplish at
the height of their potential are not
relying on habits from that for that
extra bump. They're utilizing their
motivation, their intrinsic motivation
for sustained effort and goal pursuit.
The other really interesting thing is
that when we use internal effort, you
also manage obstacles better. In the
goal striving literature, autonomous
motivation, i.e. wanting to do things,
has been robustly linked to sustained
goal effort, increased goal progress,
decreased goal ambivalence, i.e. you
stick with things. You're not internally
conflicted. Reduced temptation makes you
want to put down your phone. Increased
goal attainment. Also, autonomous goal
motivation has been shown to moderate
the effect of implementation planning on
goal progress. Okay? So that
implementation plans are associated with
relatively greater goal progress. Okay.
What so what does this basically mean?
This means that when you, this is kind
of common sense, when you want to do
something and you make a plan, making
the plan is associated with goal
progress. How many of us have been in a
situation where we want to do something
or we should do something. I want to go
to the gym more. And then we develop a
plan and then we just don't stick with
the plan, right? We think, oh, I need to
make a better plan. I need to make a
better plan. We are missing the forest
for the trees. So, when I was sitting
down and I was thinking to myself when I
was getting 10,000 requests in my
private practice a month and I was
thinking to myself, how the [ __ ] do I
help these people? I took a group of
noobs from the internet, 12 of them, and
I was like, okay, I'm going to teach
y'all some stuff. I'm going to teach
y'all how to get people to do things.
And this was the key thing. And you guys
may remember this from many years ago. I
did a stream where I drew this quadrant.
There's like desires, values,
shoulds, and something else. I don't
even remember model now but the key
thing is if you want to have sustained
progress implement things successfully
it's about cultivating
autonomous motivation right and this is
where there's a bunch of people like the
productivity like gurus on the internet
that are like forget about motivation
forget about emotion we need discipline
we need willpower we need consistency we
need habits they're not entirely wrong
but this study actually shows that
they're wrong. Right? There's truth to
all of those statements. There are
plenty of studies that show that the
habits are good, willpower is good, you
know, effort is good. But if you want
it, and this is the key thing, the
excellence, achieving excellence does
not happen through willpower. Does not
happen through habit. Achieving
excellence happens through cultivating
your internal drive. So what what do we
do? We ask people questions. What do you
really want? Why do you want it? What
makes this important to you? You have to
cultivate that internal motivation from
the bottom. The second thing that we do
is this dispositional predict predictors
of action crisis. Disposition towards
action versus state orientation is
considered in two circumstances. Okay.
So I'm going to explain this. There's
one other element to understand. Human
beings think in two ways. They think in
terms of action or they think in terms
of state. This is something that is like
so mind-blowing but so few people think
about. So here's an example of someone
who thinks in terms of state. They
always think about how something is
going to make them feel, right? They
don't think about what they're going to
do. They think about what they have to
do
in order to feel a certain way. How much
do I have to work in order to relax?
They're thinking about the state of
relaxation, right? How long do I have to
be at my job before I can go home? and
then I can relax. Why? How much do I
have to listen to my husband or my wife
complain again about the dishes? How
long until they shut the up and I can
finally be at peace? If you look at the
world today, many people chase states.
Chasing a state when it becomes when
that chase becomes pathologic, we call
it an addiction. I'm chasing oblivion
with ketamine, with fentinil. I'm
chasing euphoria with THC, with video
games. We are chasing states. There are
two kinds of people. This is what this
research shows. Some people focus on
actions. The end goal is an action. What
am I going to do? Some people focus on
states. How am I going to feel? And the
action gets tied to the feeling. The
action is in service to the feeling. For
some people, the action is the end. So
that's why we do two things. We first of
all cultivate your wants and then we ask
you about behavioral change. Part of the
reason that I don't know if you guys
know this but um you know at HGI we now
have NBHWC certification national board
of health and wellness coaches and the
reason that that we went through that
that that rigorous process took the
original version of the coaching program
buffed it up for focus on behavioral
change. Health and wellness coaches are
all about getting you to take your blood
pressure medicine getting you to
actually alter your diet. They're all
about actions and behavioral change.
Now, in my experience, and this is what
I think is super cool about this paper,
this paper shows the crux of what I try
to do with the people that I work with.
First of all, what do you want? You
really have to dig into that. Because
when you figure out what you want,
that's how you get to sustained effort.
That's how you get to resistance to
obstacles. If you don't focus on what
you want, if you focus on your
controlled motivation, which by the way,
I don't think we actually defined. So,
let me take a quick look and show you
guys this. I know I'm kind of control
motivation subsumes the two least
internalized forms of motivation on the
continuing pursuing goals in response to
external contingencies such as rewards
or punishments. How do I get this
reward? How do I avoid this punishment?
Right? That's that state feeling that
we're talking about. It's not about the
action itself. It is about chasing a
particular outcome and pursuing goals
out of internal feelings of obligation
or pressure. This is another really
interesting kind of mind [ __ ] So
there's something called introjected
motivation. This is when you think it's
your motivation but it's not really your
motivation. It is motivation that you
absorb from the outside world and comes
from within you but is really coming
from the outside world. Internalizing
the standards of the people around you.
So what do I do when I work with a
client? What do coaches do when they
work with clients? We try to help you
get rid of your introjected motivations.
the way you've been conditioned by
society for what you should want. You're
going to be a wonderful doctor one day.
As long as I can remember, literally as
long as I can remember, my grandmother
has been telling me I'm going to make a
great doctor one day. She also said that
to my daughter when she was four
reflexively, you're going to be great
doctor, great doctor. And we think these
are our motivations. They're not our
motivations. And when we lean into this
stuff, right, when we have these
introjected motivations and we start
moving towards them, we get into a a
stagnation. We get into an action
paralysis. We don't feel like doing it.
I don't want to. And then we use
willpower and then that just advances
the whole thing. Willpower is an
independent risk factor for an action
crisis. [ __ ] insane. You are signing
yourself up. And for the love of God,
tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that that is
not your experience. that forcing
yourself to get out of bed one day
sometimes means you have to force
yourself to get out of bed the next day
and forces yourself to get out of bed
the next day. Instead, what we really
want to do is something that seems
really counter intuitive. We don't think
to ourselves when I want this and I
should do this. I think about how to
overcome the want. That's the wrong
direction. Why do you want that? What
direction is that leading you? Cuz
following your wants is easy, bro. I'mma
play Dota all weekend. I'mma play some
BG3 and some Unicorn Overlord and some
Split Fiction with my kids. That's easy.
The really cool thing is that if you
cultivate that connection with what you
want, cuz the cool thing is y'all want
to do more than just play video games.
Y'all want to paint and y'all want to
learn more about AI and you guys want to
develop jailbreaking methodologies for
AI. Y'all want to write books and start
companies and meditate for four hours a
day. Y'all want these things. So stop
using willpower to get them questions.
What to do instead? Yeah. So, so this is
the thing, right? So you spend some time
cultivating what you want. Ask yourself
what do you want? Spend some time
focused on implementation. What are you
going to do? And be super careful about
doing things to evoke a state. So if in
your mind you are trying to get a state
and then you are reverse engineering
actions it's the wrong way to think
right because then you're chasing a
state that's not a good thing to do but
what if you when you meditate you find
out you don't want anything just sit
absolutely you can just sit but also I
would say you can change your technique
don't you need willpower for consistency
no here's the crazy thing right so I
don't know if you guys remember this
sustained so autonomous goals are
associated with sustained goal effort
the most consistency on the planet.
Let's be clear, okay? Consistency comes
from wanting something.
Who here is struggling with consistency
to play video games?
Man, I wish I could play more video
games on a daily basis. Man, I know some
of us are anhidonics, so you guys have
struggling with consistency, right? But
like, who here has consistency with like
spending time on social media?
Consistency. This is my whole point.
Consistency does not come from
willpower. A controlled motivation is a
risk factor for an action crisis. Using
willpower today buys you using willpower
tomorrow. So some people will adopt the
strategy of like going hard in that
direction, right? So like it's kind of
like one of these like I'm thinking
about like these games like Sefue or
like you know I don't know like Risk of
Rain like these games that get
constantly harder. The further you go,
the harder it gets. That's what happens
with willpower. Action crisis number
one. You use willpower. You are buying
yourself. You are staying in a job that
you don't love. What do you think is
going to happen a month from now? You
are forcing yourself to stay in a job
that you don't love for a year. What do
you think is going to happen a month
from now? You forcing yourself to stay
in a marriage that you don't want to.
What do you think is going to happen a
year from now? Consistency comes without
willpower. That's the crazy thing,
right? Willpower can be still useful.
I'm not like anti-wpower, but I think
our model isn't supported by the science
or isn't a model that involves habit and
willpower. And this is where a lot of
the research on habit and the the desire
for habit comes from, right? We want
habits because we know that willpower is
inconsistent. That's why everyone loves
habits. But the problem with habits is
once again, they simply raise the floor
of behavior. They make sure you take
your medicine every day. They don't
cause you to excel in and of themselves.
Now, there's an argument to be made that
if we look at what excellence is,
excellence is raising the floor, which I
think is a good argument. But when we're
talking about like really knocking it
out of the park, right? So, when I think
about if you look at not to say that
we're great, but objectively I think you
can make an argument that this channel
is in the top 1% of like channels on
whatever like on YouTube, mental health
channels, right? There's a lot of great
people who are probably better than us,
but we do pretty well. And what's our
inspiration? Our inspiration is not
forcing. I don't like I have to use
willpower here and there, but I [ __ ]
love this stuff. This is so cool. I love
you guys talking to y'all.
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The transcript explores the ineffectiveness of relying on willpower or "controlled motivation" to overcome analysis paralysis and achieve goals. It explains that forcing oneself often leads to an "action crisis" and burnout, becoming an independent risk factor for stagnation rather than a solution. The speaker emphasizes that sustained effort and excellence stem from "autonomous motivation," which arises from genuine personal wants and core values. While habits can raise the baseline of behavior, they don't drive exceptional performance. Key to success is identifying and eliminating "introjected motivations" (external expectations disguised as personal desires) and focusing on concrete actions rather than chasing emotional "states." Ultimately, true consistency comes from intrinsic motivation, not from an increasing need for willpower.
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