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Okay. Well, don't ponder yourself into

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stagnation, div.a, you got this. So,

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there's something really cool about

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this. So, a lot of people get stuck and

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we sometimes call this analysis

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paralysis, right? Because you don't know

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what to do and then we feel stagnant,

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right? So, inaction feels like

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stagnation, but it's not really

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stagnation. It's often times conflict.

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If you don't know what to do, which is

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often times a conflict between what you

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want and what you should, what a lot of

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people assume is that I need to use

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willpower. I need to use discipline. And

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it turns out that using willpower or

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discipline fosters something called

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action crisis. Okay? And I'll explain

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how this works. So let's say that I want

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to do one thing and I should do

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something else. When I'm in that

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situation, I use willpower to overcome

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my want and move towards my should. And

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a lot of people will be of the mind that

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like this is the right thing to do.

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Right? Then you blame yourself for being

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lazy. You blame yourself for being

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undisiplined. You look at other people

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who are consistently moving in a

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particular direction. I love this paper.

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Stuck in limbo. Motivational anticedants

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and consequences of experiencing action

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crises in personal goal pursuit. So

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controlled motivation has been

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positively associated with a

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participant's intended effort at the

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decisional phase of goal striving, but

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it was not shown to translate into

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actual goal effort at 2 or 4 weeks

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later. suggests that people have trouble

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translating their controlled intentions

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to tangible activity at the actional

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phase of goal pursuit. So what is a

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controlled intention? First thing

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controlled motivation. Controlled

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motivation is things where you have to

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control your motivation basically when

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you have to force yourself to do

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something i.e. willpower or discipline.

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So controlled intention is not our

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natural intention. Our natural intention

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is I want to hang out today. My

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controlled dis in intention is I need to

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work today. So often times we have a

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struggle between something called a

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controlled intention and autonomous

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motivation. Right? So what does

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autonomous motivation mean? Autonomous

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motivation means it's what you naturally

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want to do. And controlled motivation

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means it's what you don't want to do but

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when you try to control your motivation.

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And here's the crazy thing. Right? So if

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you measure in this study, if you

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measure at the po moment of crisis when

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you're stuck, if you measure controlled

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motivation, it can be high. But two

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weeks later and four weeks later, it's

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low. And this is our experience, right?

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So if you use willpower to force

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yourself into something, what happens

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two weeks later? What happens four weeks

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later? Oftent times what you end up

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doing is finding yourself in another

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situation where you have to use

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willpower because you don't feel like

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it. So one study on LinkedIn, for what

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it's worth, found that 70% of people, I

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think, no, had an early life crisis or

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were burnt out. I forget, right? But the

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levels of burnout are really high. Why

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do people wind up in a state of burnout?

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It's because when they don't feel like

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doing something, they force themselves

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into it. And when you force yourself

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into it, it's not like you wake up

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tomorrow and then you want to do it. In

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fact, it's the opposite, right? You are

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squashing your wants. So then your

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automatic motivation, that intrinsic

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motivation, that internal motivation is

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not being selected for. It's not being

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supported. So what we tend to see and

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this is what this paper shows is that

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when you use control motivation, when

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you use willpower, a couple of things

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happen. First is when we force ourselves

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to something, frustrations or setbacks

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set in. Controlled goals may have a hard

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time competing against other action

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tendencies resulting in an action

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crisis. I.e. you can force yourself to

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do something, but when that thing gets

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hard, then you want to do what you feel

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like is basically what it's saying. the

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valitional strength behind them is

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likely to fade once obstacles are

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encountered. So if you use willpower, I

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don't know if this makes sense, there's

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a good chance that you will need to use

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more down the road. Right? Here's the

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really interesting thing. Controlled

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motivation represented an independent

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risk factor for developing midsemester

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action crises after controlling for the

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personality traits of action

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orientation, which we can get to later.

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Controlled goals by their definition

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represent a conflict between external

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demands or internal pressures and

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inherent psychological needs and growth

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tendencies. So what does this mean? This

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means this is insane. Using willpower,

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forcing yourself to do something is an

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independent risk factor for stagnation,

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for analysis paralysis. When you force

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yourself to do something, you are not

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overcoming analysis paralysis. This is

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the [ __ ] part. You're not overcoming

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analysis paralysis. You are creating

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analysis paralysis. And even though that

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sounds insane, right? Because that's

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insane. If you look at your life, this

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is exactly what you see. You see that

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when you force yourself to do things,

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you end up having to force yourself to

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do things. Now, there is an element of

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conscientiousness, and that's what's

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pretty cool about the study. This study

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looked at conscientiousness and

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neuroticism. So conscientiousness is the

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tendency to work towards a goal with

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delayed gratification without reward

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things like that. Okay. So there are a

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lot of people out there who will use

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willpower.

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But this is the tricky thing. It's not

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that they actually use a ton of

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willpower. It's that they are more okay

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not giving into themselves in the first

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place. And there is absolutely I'm not

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saying never use willpower. Willpower is

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great. Right? So there are many

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situations in which if we use willpower

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sufficiently,

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we will eventually train our neurons to

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be okay with something that can

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absolutely happen too. But I want y'all

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to look at the bigger picture here for a

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moment and look at what many people

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experience. What many people experience

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is the opposite of that. Many people

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experience I use willpower and then I

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don't feel like doing it. I use

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willpower, I don't feel like doing it. I

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use willpower. I've been using willpower

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every single day. I'm burnt out in my

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career. I've been in this job for three

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year. three years. I force myself to go

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every day and things don't get better,

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they get worse. Every day you have to

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fight more. Willpower becomes a drug

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that your motivational system becomes

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addicted to and it needs more willpower

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and more willpower and more willpower to

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keep going. How do we fix this? How do

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we stop being stagnated? So, these are

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the kinds of behavioral things that we

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really lean into with coaching. So, I'll

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give you all a simple example. when I

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was putting together the pro program.

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Okay, so a lot of people get confused

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because they come into coaching and

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they're like, "Oh my god, we're going to

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explain what we do in coaching. Going to

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give you all a cheat sheet right here

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and now of the psychology of how this

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works." Okay, a lot of people think I

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want my coach to help me accomplish this

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thing. That's not actually what coaches

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do. Coaches, it's really confusing for

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many people because they come in, the

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coach starts asking you about your

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feelings. So the key thing if we want to

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fix things is not to force ourselves to

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do it. It is to self-conordant goals are

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thought to arise from a person's

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lifelonging evolving interests and his

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or her core values. Since autonomous

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goals reflect people's authentic values

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and interests, they allow individuals to

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draw upon valitional resources such as

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sustained gold effort to ensure

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consistent goal energization. So if you

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don't want to use willpower, if you

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don't want to become dependent on

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willpower, there are two things that you

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need to do. You need to ask yourself

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what do you want? Why do you want it?

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You need to actually explore what you

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want. And then the second thing that you

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need to do is focus on what you're going

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to do. So I know this sounds weird, but

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most people think that the problem is

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behavioral. How do I get myself to do

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something? And this is why everyone

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loves habit building because habit

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building is about getting yourself to do

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something automatically without effort.

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And there's a lot of merit to habit

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building. But be clear, habit building

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has nothing to do with motivation.

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Habit building bypasses the motivational

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circuit. The biggest problem with

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building habits is that you never do

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extra. You guys understand that once

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something is habitual, you never go the

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extra mile with a habit because the

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whole point is that it's programmed.

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It's automatic. Habit building raises

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the floor of behavior from zero to 50.

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It never gets you to 100. It never gets

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you to 150. The people who accomplish at

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the height of their potential are not

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relying on habits from that for that

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extra bump. They're utilizing their

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motivation, their intrinsic motivation

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for sustained effort and goal pursuit.

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The other really interesting thing is

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that when we use internal effort, you

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also manage obstacles better. In the

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goal striving literature, autonomous

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motivation, i.e. wanting to do things,

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has been robustly linked to sustained

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goal effort, increased goal progress,

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decreased goal ambivalence, i.e. you

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stick with things. You're not internally

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conflicted. Reduced temptation makes you

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want to put down your phone. Increased

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goal attainment. Also, autonomous goal

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motivation has been shown to moderate

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the effect of implementation planning on

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goal progress. Okay? So that

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implementation plans are associated with

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relatively greater goal progress. Okay.

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What so what does this basically mean?

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This means that when you, this is kind

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of common sense, when you want to do

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something and you make a plan, making

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the plan is associated with goal

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progress. How many of us have been in a

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situation where we want to do something

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or we should do something. I want to go

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to the gym more. And then we develop a

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plan and then we just don't stick with

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the plan, right? We think, oh, I need to

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make a better plan. I need to make a

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better plan. We are missing the forest

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for the trees. So, when I was sitting

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down and I was thinking to myself when I

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was getting 10,000 requests in my

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private practice a month and I was

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thinking to myself, how the [ __ ] do I

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help these people? I took a group of

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noobs from the internet, 12 of them, and

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I was like, okay, I'm going to teach

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y'all some stuff. I'm going to teach

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y'all how to get people to do things.

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And this was the key thing. And you guys

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may remember this from many years ago. I

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did a stream where I drew this quadrant.

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There's like desires, values,

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shoulds, and something else. I don't

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even remember model now but the key

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thing is if you want to have sustained

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progress implement things successfully

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it's about cultivating

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autonomous motivation right and this is

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where there's a bunch of people like the

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productivity like gurus on the internet

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that are like forget about motivation

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forget about emotion we need discipline

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we need willpower we need consistency we

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need habits they're not entirely wrong

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but this study actually shows that

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they're wrong. Right? There's truth to

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all of those statements. There are

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plenty of studies that show that the

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habits are good, willpower is good, you

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know, effort is good. But if you want

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it, and this is the key thing, the

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excellence, achieving excellence does

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not happen through willpower. Does not

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happen through habit. Achieving

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excellence happens through cultivating

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your internal drive. So what what do we

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do? We ask people questions. What do you

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really want? Why do you want it? What

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makes this important to you? You have to

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cultivate that internal motivation from

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the bottom. The second thing that we do

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is this dispositional predict predictors

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of action crisis. Disposition towards

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action versus state orientation is

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considered in two circumstances. Okay.

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So I'm going to explain this. There's

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one other element to understand. Human

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beings think in two ways. They think in

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terms of action or they think in terms

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of state. This is something that is like

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so mind-blowing but so few people think

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about. So here's an example of someone

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who thinks in terms of state. They

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always think about how something is

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going to make them feel, right? They

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don't think about what they're going to

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do. They think about what they have to

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do

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in order to feel a certain way. How much

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do I have to work in order to relax?

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They're thinking about the state of

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relaxation, right? How long do I have to

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be at my job before I can go home? and

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then I can relax. Why? How much do I

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have to listen to my husband or my wife

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complain again about the dishes? How

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long until they shut the up and I can

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finally be at peace? If you look at the

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world today, many people chase states.

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Chasing a state when it becomes when

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that chase becomes pathologic, we call

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it an addiction. I'm chasing oblivion

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with ketamine, with fentinil. I'm

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chasing euphoria with THC, with video

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games. We are chasing states. There are

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two kinds of people. This is what this

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research shows. Some people focus on

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actions. The end goal is an action. What

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am I going to do? Some people focus on

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states. How am I going to feel? And the

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action gets tied to the feeling. The

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action is in service to the feeling. For

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some people, the action is the end. So

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that's why we do two things. We first of

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all cultivate your wants and then we ask

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you about behavioral change. Part of the

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reason that I don't know if you guys

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know this but um you know at HGI we now

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have NBHWC certification national board

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of health and wellness coaches and the

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reason that that we went through that

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that that rigorous process took the

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original version of the coaching program

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buffed it up for focus on behavioral

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change. Health and wellness coaches are

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all about getting you to take your blood

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pressure medicine getting you to

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actually alter your diet. They're all

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about actions and behavioral change.

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Now, in my experience, and this is what

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I think is super cool about this paper,

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this paper shows the crux of what I try

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to do with the people that I work with.

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First of all, what do you want? You

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really have to dig into that. Because

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when you figure out what you want,

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that's how you get to sustained effort.

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That's how you get to resistance to

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obstacles. If you don't focus on what

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you want, if you focus on your

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controlled motivation, which by the way,

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I don't think we actually defined. So,

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let me take a quick look and show you

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guys this. I know I'm kind of control

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motivation subsumes the two least

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internalized forms of motivation on the

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continuing pursuing goals in response to

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external contingencies such as rewards

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or punishments. How do I get this

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reward? How do I avoid this punishment?

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Right? That's that state feeling that

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we're talking about. It's not about the

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action itself. It is about chasing a

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particular outcome and pursuing goals

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out of internal feelings of obligation

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or pressure. This is another really

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interesting kind of mind [ __ ] So

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there's something called introjected

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motivation. This is when you think it's

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your motivation but it's not really your

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motivation. It is motivation that you

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absorb from the outside world and comes

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from within you but is really coming

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from the outside world. Internalizing

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the standards of the people around you.

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So what do I do when I work with a

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client? What do coaches do when they

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work with clients? We try to help you

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get rid of your introjected motivations.

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the way you've been conditioned by

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society for what you should want. You're

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going to be a wonderful doctor one day.

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As long as I can remember, literally as

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long as I can remember, my grandmother

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has been telling me I'm going to make a

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great doctor one day. She also said that

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to my daughter when she was four

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reflexively, you're going to be great

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doctor, great doctor. And we think these

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are our motivations. They're not our

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motivations. And when we lean into this

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stuff, right, when we have these

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introjected motivations and we start

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moving towards them, we get into a a

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stagnation. We get into an action

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paralysis. We don't feel like doing it.

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I don't want to. And then we use

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willpower and then that just advances

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the whole thing. Willpower is an

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independent risk factor for an action

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crisis. [ __ ] insane. You are signing

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yourself up. And for the love of God,

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tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that that is

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not your experience. that forcing

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yourself to get out of bed one day

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sometimes means you have to force

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yourself to get out of bed the next day

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and forces yourself to get out of bed

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the next day. Instead, what we really

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want to do is something that seems

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really counter intuitive. We don't think

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to ourselves when I want this and I

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should do this. I think about how to

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overcome the want. That's the wrong

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direction. Why do you want that? What

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direction is that leading you? Cuz

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following your wants is easy, bro. I'mma

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play Dota all weekend. I'mma play some

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BG3 and some Unicorn Overlord and some

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Split Fiction with my kids. That's easy.

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The really cool thing is that if you

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cultivate that connection with what you

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want, cuz the cool thing is y'all want

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to do more than just play video games.

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Y'all want to paint and y'all want to

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learn more about AI and you guys want to

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develop jailbreaking methodologies for

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AI. Y'all want to write books and start

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companies and meditate for four hours a

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day. Y'all want these things. So stop

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using willpower to get them questions.

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What to do instead? Yeah. So, so this is

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the thing, right? So you spend some time

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cultivating what you want. Ask yourself

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what do you want? Spend some time

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focused on implementation. What are you

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going to do? And be super careful about

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doing things to evoke a state. So if in

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your mind you are trying to get a state

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and then you are reverse engineering

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actions it's the wrong way to think

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right because then you're chasing a

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state that's not a good thing to do but

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what if you when you meditate you find

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out you don't want anything just sit

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absolutely you can just sit but also I

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would say you can change your technique

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don't you need willpower for consistency

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no here's the crazy thing right so I

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don't know if you guys remember this

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sustained so autonomous goals are

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associated with sustained goal effort

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the most consistency on the planet.

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Let's be clear, okay? Consistency comes

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from wanting something.

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Who here is struggling with consistency

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to play video games?

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Man, I wish I could play more video

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games on a daily basis. Man, I know some

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of us are anhidonics, so you guys have

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struggling with consistency, right? But

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like, who here has consistency with like

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spending time on social media?

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Consistency. This is my whole point.

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Consistency does not come from

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willpower. A controlled motivation is a

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risk factor for an action crisis. Using

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willpower today buys you using willpower

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tomorrow. So some people will adopt the

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strategy of like going hard in that

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direction, right? So like it's kind of

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like one of these like I'm thinking

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about like these games like Sefue or

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like you know I don't know like Risk of

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Rain like these games that get

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constantly harder. The further you go,

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the harder it gets. That's what happens

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with willpower. Action crisis number

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one. You use willpower. You are buying

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yourself. You are staying in a job that

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you don't love. What do you think is

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going to happen a month from now? You

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are forcing yourself to stay in a job

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that you don't love for a year. What do

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you think is going to happen a month

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from now? You forcing yourself to stay

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in a marriage that you don't want to.

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What do you think is going to happen a

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year from now? Consistency comes without

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willpower. That's the crazy thing,

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right? Willpower can be still useful.

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I'm not like anti-wpower, but I think

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our model isn't supported by the science

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or isn't a model that involves habit and

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willpower. And this is where a lot of

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the research on habit and the the desire

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for habit comes from, right? We want

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habits because we know that willpower is

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inconsistent. That's why everyone loves

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habits. But the problem with habits is

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once again, they simply raise the floor

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of behavior. They make sure you take

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your medicine every day. They don't

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cause you to excel in and of themselves.

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Now, there's an argument to be made that

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if we look at what excellence is,

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excellence is raising the floor, which I

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think is a good argument. But when we're

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talking about like really knocking it

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out of the park, right? So, when I think

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about if you look at not to say that

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we're great, but objectively I think you

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can make an argument that this channel

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is in the top 1% of like channels on

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whatever like on YouTube, mental health

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channels, right? There's a lot of great

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people who are probably better than us,

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but we do pretty well. And what's our

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inspiration? Our inspiration is not

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forcing. I don't like I have to use

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willpower here and there, but I [ __ ]

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love this stuff. This is so cool. I love

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you guys talking to y'all.

Interactive Summary

The transcript explores the ineffectiveness of relying on willpower or "controlled motivation" to overcome analysis paralysis and achieve goals. It explains that forcing oneself often leads to an "action crisis" and burnout, becoming an independent risk factor for stagnation rather than a solution. The speaker emphasizes that sustained effort and excellence stem from "autonomous motivation," which arises from genuine personal wants and core values. While habits can raise the baseline of behavior, they don't drive exceptional performance. Key to success is identifying and eliminating "introjected motivations" (external expectations disguised as personal desires) and focusing on concrete actions rather than chasing emotional "states." Ultimately, true consistency comes from intrinsic motivation, not from an increasing need for willpower.

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