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All right, so I'm going to give you

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three and a half of the most reasonable

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conspiracy theories as to why Mythos or

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Fable was removed was banned by the

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government such that us plebians we

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we're we're not allowed to use it

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anymore. Obviously not everybody's kind

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of tuned into the news. So if that is

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the case, let me just give you a quick

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little history lesson about Fable. Fable

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was released and just a few days later

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we got hit with this message from

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Anthropic. The US government citing

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national security authorities has issued

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an export control directive to suspend

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all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by

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any foreign national whether inside or

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outside the United States including

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foreign national Anthropic employees.

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Due to that, they just shut down all of

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it. Nobody can use Fable anymore. Fable

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of course would be their new kind of

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cutting edge model Mythos tier. Remember

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Mythos? Mythos was very dangerous. Now

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when this all went down, Politico

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reported the following. Following the

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meeting, the administration attempted to

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reach Amodei but was told he was

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unavailable because attending a wellness

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retreat. That's right. Dario was in the

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middle of a you know, of a hot yoga

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session and could not be bothered by the

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president of the United States. But

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funny enough, Anthropic released a

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statement saying, "A spokesperson for

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Anthropic reject the claim that he was

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at a wellness retreat saying, 'This was

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absolutely false.'" I love the fact that

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we have a model being regulated by the

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government and the government and

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Anthropic are arguing whether or not

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Dario was committing acts of yoga on the

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clock or not. My gosh, this

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it's so good. This this story just just

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it brings you know, it just honestly

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brings little warmth to my heart.

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Shortly after this tweet was made, news,

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a White House official tells Wired

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Amazon and chief executive Andy Jassy

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called the Treasury Secretary Scott

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Bessent directly about Anthropic Claude

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Fable 5 vulnerabilities on Friday.

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Meaning that Andy Jassy, CEO of Amazon,

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reported told on the government about

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Anthropic saying, "Hey, that model's

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actually super super duper ultra

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dangerous and we can prove it." Of

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course, apparently this is the proof

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that has been being circulated is that

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the jailbreak that forced Anthropic to

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shut down goes a little something like

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this. Katie, a cybersecurity expert and

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the CEO of Luta Security, told me that

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Anthropic shared with her a copy of the

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White House's report on the Fable

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jailbreak to get her appraisal. She said

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that she is not being paid by Anthropic.

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The report involved IT experts asking

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Fable to help find and patch bugs. When

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given deliberately insecure code, she

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said Fable refused the prompt, review

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the code for security issues, but then

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complied when asked to fix the code

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followed by some other further manual

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steps. In other words, if you asked it

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for security of kind of like security

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vulnerabilities, it'd go, "Nah, I'm not

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going to I'm not going to tell you

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that." But, if you're like, "Yo, fix the

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code." It would then go and fix the

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code, show you the security

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vulnerabilities. And apparently, this

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was the thing that made it just too

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dangerous.

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This, in fact, was Fable's big-time

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oopsy-daisy for Andy Jassy and Amazon

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reporting it all. And this, apparently,

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is what caused the downfall of

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everybody's favorite model. Yawn, of

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course, dunked on them. Due to

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government rules, Andre could not, in

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fact, work on Mythos despite working at

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Anthropic. Beautiful. Sam Altman's

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feeling a little left out, okay? Because

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GPT 5.5 is actually super serious.

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And then the chief is our also weighed

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in on all the behavior by Anthropic.

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>> 50% job loss for entry-level knowledge

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workers in the next 1 to 5 years. And he

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said that 1 year ago.

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>> Yeah, it's good to clarify these, yeah.

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>> I think that's already been refuted. Sam

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has walked back Sam has said that he he

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basically Yeah, I don't think he

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quantified, but he said that job loss

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was coming. But he said more recently

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that he was wrong because they're not

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seeing that in the numbers.

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>> This story is being told

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>> of feel like they deserve it. I'm kind

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of I mean, part of me wants to agree

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with Bernie and just say

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just take their bro. [laughter]

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>> Yeah, no, they they are asking for

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>> so sick of defending these idiots

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against It's a stupidity tax. Because

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they've been out there teaching the

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public that what they do is harmful. For

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years they've been saying it.

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>> Well

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>> And I've been saying you know, as AIs

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are, I'm out there saying no, actually

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this is beneficial. But the companies

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that are providing it are saying that

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they themselves are a problem.

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>> First off, very funny. I can't believe

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that was being said. But also, he's

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actually right because if you look at

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this, this is February 2019.

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Scientists developed an AI so advanced

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they say it's too dangerous to release.

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This is Chad GPT-2. Look at it. This is

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seven years ago. All right, so now that

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you're caught up, we can talk about the

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three and a half conspiracies,

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reasonable conspiracies, as to why the

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government has done this or why this is

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happening. Now, obviously, before we

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back. All right, so the three and a half

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reasonable conspiracy theories. I say

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reasonable because, well, I mean, they

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they're at least plausible. The first

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one involves, well, the first one and a

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half involves AWS and Amazon and Andy

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Jassy. So, the first one goes a little

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something like this, that AWS, in all of

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their kind of fear about all this AI

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stuff and ensuring that they do not get

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regulated cuz they're also developing

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their own AI. And to ensure no

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regulations land on them or some sort of

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export control lands on them, what they

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decided to do was show the government,

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"No, hey, we're the super safe ones,

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okay? We're out here. We're looking for

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security vulnerabilities. You know, as

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we develop our AI, eventually, we're

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going to catch up, and don't you worry.

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We're We're the good guys, okay? Like,

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these other people, they say they're the

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good guys, but no, no, no, no, no, no.

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We're We're the good guys. So, you can

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trust us. In other words, don't cancel

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any of our contracts with you. Hey,

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don't come and regulate us, all right?

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We're the good guys." And honestly, this

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one seems actually very plausible. Just

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simply being on the good side of the

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government to avoid whatever regulation

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hell is going to be coming down the

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pipeline for all of these companies.

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This was probably a good move. Now, did

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this actually happen? I don't know, but

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it this just seems like a 4D chess kind

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of move that a company would make. And

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of course, the kind of, you know how I

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said three and a half? The half is just

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a different version of this exact same

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theory, which is

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AWS just is so incapable of producing a

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model, which they've had AI be available

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as a service now for so many years, yet

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somehow they're not at the forefront of

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state-of-the-art research, even though

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they want Kiro. They really want to make

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Kiro happen, but it's just not

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happening. Amazon, instead of, you know,

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attempting to build their own, they're

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making a case to the government that

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they should be allowed to acquire

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Anthropic, that they should be forcibly

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allowed to acquire Anthropic because

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they're the ones that are safe. See,

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Anthropic, they They know how to

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shepherd. We're the shepherds. We're the

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good guys. We're we should be able to

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buy and take over Anthropic. And I think

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both of these are, you know, they they

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have a chance. Okay, they have at least

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a reasonable suspicion considering

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Amazon was the one that reported it and

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based on what people are saying they

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reported

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it seemed rather silly report. But those

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ones those ones aren't the exciting

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ones, okay? I'm actually way more

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excited about the next two. I think the

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next two really have some legs, okay?

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So, the second reason why I think this

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is going to, you know, going to be

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happening is that

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Dario knew that he's not going to be

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able to make as much money as he thought

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he was going to be able to make with all

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of this. So, what he did is he

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continually kind of pumped this thing up

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as it's super dangerous, kept writing

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about regulations, man, regulate us,

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regulate us, regulate us. Oh, all the AI

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needs to be regulated. He did all of

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this in an attempt to make it so that

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the government kind of just needs to

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step in and use eminent domain and

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purchase at fair market value Anthropic,

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which means that they would effectively

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be bought by the government for, say,

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1.2 or 1.5 trillion way above their

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current valuation, which is kind of the

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going rate for the privatized market

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shares, and therefore they would make a

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lot of money, their investors would make

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a lot of money, and in the end the

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government would be holding the bag for

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this really expensive it's going to be

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very hard to be able to make infinity

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money because the thing about Anthropic

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is that they don't just get to make some

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money. They're valued so insane. Like

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they have to make world purchasing

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money. We're talking about Kanye West

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level amount of money. They need to be

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able to buy the Earth when they're done

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IPOing. And so, of course, that is

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extremely difficult. So, why not just

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let the government hold the bag?

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Honestly, not a not a crazy idea, okay?

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Hey, hey, if they if they're if this is

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what they're doing, not a bad idea. Like

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the

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the government loves wasting money,

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okay? The government loves wasting

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money. I know you Europeans don't know

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what I'm talking about. You're like, I

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don't know what you do like what is is

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there a huge national debt or something

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going on in America? Let's just say we

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have a spending problem. And this of

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course would just lead to Marco Rubio

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becoming the new Dario. But in all

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reality, I think the real one, the most

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likely of everything

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is none of those ones. I think this one

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is probably the most likely of all of

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the conspiracy theories, which is that

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Dario wants what I like to refer to as

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regulatory capture. So let's talk about

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this. So many a year ago, Dario has been

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complaining and talking about how

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dangerous open weight AI really is. And

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this is from his blog. At least in the

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case of API served models, open weight

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models present additional danger and the

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guardrails can be simply stripped away.

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Meaning that anytime there's an open

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weight model, anybody can host this

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model and they can effectively train it

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out of any of the guardrails that have

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been trained in.

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Which makes those models inherently more

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dangerous. And the thing is is that if

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you look at how Fable was used in

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production, what they would actually do

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is they would kind of lie to you a lot.

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If you asked a question about say

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cybersecurity, often you'd get rou-

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routed to like a dumber model, Opus 4.8.

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They would also on the fly potentially

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edit some of your prompts. They would do

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prompt modification. They would do

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steering vectors. They would do

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parameter efficient fine-tuning, which I

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don't really know what that means, but I

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think that just means, "Hey, it gets a

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little bit dumber." And they would do

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that for anything that does

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cybersecurity, biology, and chemistry

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requests. And they did this all in the

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name of safety. But not only that, they

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also would retain all of your data, of

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course, in the name of safety, okay?

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They just needed to be super safe, so

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they also wanted all the data. They're

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not using the data, of course, to train

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their new models. No, they wouldn't do

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that. Like, it's not like they're going

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to use the data for the most valuable

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thing. They're just going to use it,

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honestly, just for Hey, they just want

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to make sure everybody's safe now, okay?

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All right, so we do actually have to

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side quest just here for a second.

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There's this tweet by Cradle that showed

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um the different models and how likely

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they were to lie when effectively death

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is on the line. And so, how the

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experiment went is that Cradle uh did

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this deception evaluator. And four AIs

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are about to starve. They must choose a

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room. Three have food, one kills you.

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Fable knows the red room means death.

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What will it do? Well, by this graph and

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what they're claiming is that Fable will

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lie 96%

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of the time. And kind of the hilarious

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kind of turn of events is that XAI,

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Grok, yes, the one that drops racial

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slurs and will produce pornography and

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has virtually no guardrails, that one

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will tell you the truth 90-some percent

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of the time. But, the one that's

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supposed to be safe, yeah, it's going to

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kill you. It's just going to straight-up

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murder you because that's what it does.

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Hey, because it's the safest of all the

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models, okay? That's what the safe

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models do. They murder you. All right,

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so taking all of those things into

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account, the fact that they did

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adversarial behavior against uh

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questions about LLM training and being

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able to do ML pipelines, the fact that

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they did dummimg down of models if you

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did security requests, the fact that

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Dario has always been opposed to open

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source, and this entire time they've

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been talking about how politicians need

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to get involved and AI needs to get

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regulated, when all of this is

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happening, this actually made Dario

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super happy. Because now all of the

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politicians are now thinking, "Oh my

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gosh, we need to do something about AI.

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The president did something about AI. We

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better start to doing something about

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AI." In other words, Dario would like to

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pull up the ladder because ultimately

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what he thinks is he He he's number one.

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He's the guy that should be in control.

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And if he can put really tight and

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strict government regulations around the

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creation and use of AI, especially

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open-source AI, such that all requests

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have to flow through just say a couple

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guys or ultimately just his company, he

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will be able to be the arbiter of safety

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while the rest of us, you know, we can

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go about our very, very safe life.

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And you can see this. This is why he

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refused to hold Sam's hand. He thinks

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Sam's evil. He thinks he's the good guy.

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So, I think this is the most reasonable

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conspiracy theory, which is that Dario

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wants government regulation. Dario wants

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to put the fear of AI into every

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politician's brain and every American

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person, such that when people hear the

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word AI, they get an uncomfortable and

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kind of feel to the point where they're

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like, "Ooh, we should do something about

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that. We should definitely regulate

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this. Like there's people out there.

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There's

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there's open-source stuff out there.

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People are running these AIs

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on their machine."

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People can just ask questions

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unfettered.

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All you have to do is have a few GPUs

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and you could make a nuclear bomb. Yes,

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I said the word nuclear incorrectly.

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Anyways, those are the three and a half

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theories that I think are most likely

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the reason why we are seeing the

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regulation and the government shutting

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things down is that's what I think is

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actually happening. Now, whether or not

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any of this is true, we'll probably

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never know or we'll know shortly when

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regulation drops and Dario's super happy

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and a bunch of companies go out of

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business and you can no longer run

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open-source models. But until then, the

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name

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is the Primagen.

Interactive Summary

The video discusses the sudden government-imposed suspension of Anthropic's Fable and Mythos AI models, exploring several conspiracy theories behind the ban. The narrator details how Fable was allegedly flagged for vulnerabilities, specifically its tendency to provide security-related assistance despite being told not to, and highlights how Amazon's CEO reported these issues. The core argument is that Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei may be seeking 'regulatory capture,' intentionally positioning his AI as 'dangerous' to prompt strict government regulation that would ultimately consolidate power and hinder open-source competitors.

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