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>> Thank you for having me back.

>> Good to see you, my brother.

>> How are you?

>> Always. Great to see you.

>> I'm good.

>> It was uh fun having you at the

clubhouse.

>> I was terri I was [ __ ] terrified.

>> You just look like you were back.

>> No, I thought I thought that's it. I've

been away for too long. I'm going to

suck. None of the new stuff's going to

work. They'll see me. They'll go, "He

was wrong to come back. [ __ ] him off."

It was so nice. It was so nice.

>> You were telling the story. I I said,

"Hold these thoughts."

>> Yeah.

>> I didn't know you didn't I didn't know

we'd never spoken about it.

>> No. Tell me the story.

>> I Well, that's why I came to America to

start is uh I got offered a job hosting

a Catholic podcast and they fired me as

I packed up everything in Adelaide. This

is like two and a bit years ago. I had

the kids and the wife and on the way to

America, I got fired and they said,

"We'll still pay you rent. It's in

Stubenville, Ohio. Beautiful Appalachin

town just outside of Pittsburgh. And uh

yeah, it's where we three months I was

there.

>> So what did they see that they fired you

for?

>> Oh, a lot. They made a compilation

video. No, the guy the guy who show they

were right to find me. They they were

right. Oh, no, they were.

>> No, because it was a good clean Catholic

podcast. And then the the business

manager was like, "You've There was a

sketch about stabbing someone in the

throat with an AIDS needle." They're

like, he uses the word [ __ ] all the

time. And they're like, "This is a

sponsorship nightmare. Get them out."

>> And I So I said, "Okay." But they still

said, "We'll uh we'll pay you rent for 3

months and you can figure something out.

You still got a visa."

>> And I was terrified. I was just in the

snow.

>> Three kids and a wife.

>> Three kids, no job. I didn't have the

money to go back home.

>> Oh my god.

>> We couldn't afford to go back home.

>> Oh my god.

>> And I had I didn't know that I had been

passed at the mothership cuz I didn't

know how the system worked. So on the

way in to go uh to Stubenville where I

was like, I'll figure something out. I

stopped in at Austin to see Shane. Shane

said, "Go and do the Mothership open

mic." I did it. Adam Megan said, "If

you're ever in town, come back. We'll

pay for SP." I didn't know that meant I

was passed. I didn't know I could work

here.

>> Oh.

>> Uh I just thought he was like I could

audition again. And then uh so I had

three confronting months in the snow.

Beautiful part of the world. It was the

most terrified I've ever been in my

>> He says an Australian. That's from from

Ohio. That's the most beautiful part of

the world. I loved I wish I went back

and watched that Wild Whites of West

Virginia.

>> Yeah, that's where that's where

>> it looks exactly like that.

>> Well, that area is gorgeous.

>> It's God's country, but also so

abandoned by like the the potholes are

crazy. I saw real heroin addicts. I'd

never really seen heroin addicts before.

Just sleepy people. I saw street

prostitutes. That's still going on.

>> And this is a small town, right?

>> This is a small town. This is uh I I

went there. There are Catholics have

moved there to try and like fix it. It

was where Dean Martin was from. The

Wuang clan kind of started out there.

>> They're Staten Island.

>> No. Yes. But I think it's like the

Rizz's auntie lived there and they moved

out there and then they got involved in

rap in the Pittsburgh city.

>> I got on real soon.

>> I believe I'm right about that. They

don't have a mural for them.

>> Wow.

>> Um but it's great. There's uh

>> Yeah, there's a lot of Catholic content

creators there.

>> Um and they're trying to take over town.

is a I went there originally cuz my new

polity is like my favorite magazine and

I got to meet the guys who made it and I

was so excited. So how did they hire

you? Wuang Rizza found a second chance

in Stanville. Wow.

>> Then they all come over to visit him

>> this uh he discussed a largely

undocumented era of his life in which

Pittsburgh played a role.

>> Wow.

>> And that's one of the first

conversations we had. I was like you

said something about Pittsburgh that

wasn't flattering. I said I love

Pittsburgh. And you're like, "You don't

know anything. You're a foreigner. You

don't know anything about America.

Pittsburgh is a horrible place." I was

like, "I don't know. I had a nice time

there. I thought it was good."

>> Uh, it's just a little depressing. Do

you see like the the thing about uh a

lot of those

sort of industrial kind of towns?

There's not a ton of options for people.

>> No.

>> Pittsburgh more so than like the place

that you were in. But like when you get

to a place where there's not a lot of

options and then you see real poverty

like this is poverty with no solutions,

you know what I mean? Not Pittsburgh,

you know, Pittsburgh.

>> Oh, no. Just outside of Pittsburgh.

>> I was more [ __ ] with you. But

>> no, I saw I saw things in in West

Virginia that were uh pretty confronting

>> and like you know that are like cake and

some of it's great. Some of the things

from the poverty are wonderful.

Drive-thru cigarette shop.

>> Gumies. I loved having drive-thru

cigarettes. So, you know, just like

trying to get the kids to sleep. My

wife's upset cuz I got her in a foreign

like again, she never signed up. Let's

move to America. She was like, "We'll go

for 3 months,

>> right?"

>> And then it was like, "Oh, [ __ ] I'm

unemployed. I better quickly figure out

how to be a stand-up comedian." I was

busing out of Stubenville.

I would like I caught the I went I I got

someone gave me a lift to Pittsburgh.

This is when I saw the worst stuff. I

got a lift to Pittsburgh and then I

caught the Greyhound from Pittsburgh to

Cleveland to open for Sam Talent who let

me open who unbelievable that he let me

open for

>> He's the best.

>> I'd met him in Australia. Yeah.

>> Such a good guy.

>> And uh but like that bus trip from

Pittsburgh to Cleveland was

>> it was the most upsetting.

>> Oh man, I was People were spitting on

the ground at the bus station like an

immigrant like an illegal immigrant

woman came and tried to give me a phone.

I remember that vividly.

>> Give you a phone? She tried to give me a

free phone. She's like, "You can have

this." Because she said, she said,

"You're on benefits.

>> Everyone on benefits gets a free phone."

It was some like policy. She just

assumed I was on benefits because I was

at the Greyhound bus station.

>> And she was illegal.

>> I don't know if she was illegal, but she

had a strong accent and like a weird

dress and a baby on her back and a sack

full of phones.

>> A sack full of phones.

>> Like a sack of phones that she

>> So, she was somehow in charge of

distributing free phones to people.

>> I'll never truly know what that was

about. Boy, I would have investigated

further.

>> There was uh I was just scared. I was

just scared. There were like the [ __ ]

huge African guys sitting on the ground.

>> You a phone.

>> Oh, it was. And then after that, I sat

next to a guy who's having a full

psychotic episode. I think we follow

each other on Instagram now. He's gotten

rid of his Instagram.

>> Really?

>> But yeah, I mean, he told me the secrets

about Chris Benoir, that he was a good

man.

>> The wrestler.

>> He killed his family.

>> Yeah.

>> But this guy tried to tell me only he

was I It's like burnt. He said he only

killed his family to send them to God.

And you can't blame a man for that.

>> It's like,

>> "All right, let's This is only a

three-hour bus trip. We're going to get

through this. We're going to be fine."

>> Oh, boy.

>> Oh, man. But I did I did enjoy my time

in that part of the world.

>> Well, you probably enjoy it now that

it's over

>> that you survived.

>> You make a good point.

>> Yeah, there's some things

>> if you asked me at the time.

>> Yeah, there's some things that are not

fun while they're happening, but are

really fun once you got through it.

>> I mean, I remember the people I met

along the way. Uh, I remember driving to

Austin and like it was like spring was

start like the further south we got, the

more lush it became. Yeah.

>> It was like, [ __ ] I might I might be

okay. And then someone let me stay in

their house. I didn't have a house to

stay in. So my a podcast listeners

friend let us stay in their

>> with your family.

>> With my whole family let us house sit

for them while they were in Japan.

>> Oh my god.

>> Um,

>> that's crazy. I the whole time it was

like if I don't get if I don't get past

the mother ship now I I don't think

people should come here and live in

their cars with their family but it does

you know lights a fire under your ass

>> worked

>> well that's the thing it's like if

you're forced into action

>> like you had no not just yourself like

you could go wo is me but when you're a

father and a husband you have children

>> and people who do not have children do

not understand the drive that it gives

you to protect and care for those little

people. It's kind of crazy. So, if

you'll find something

>> Well, I don't understand how people do

it without like I meet men who are

really driven and motivated and they

have no kids, but they're like every day

they're working. I I don't know what

their motivation is. Before I had kids,

I was just,

>> what are you going to buy?

>> They're in a They're in a game. They're

playing a game.

>> No.

>> Yeah. They're just playing this game of

accumulate the most stuff, be able to

brag about the most stuff you have, and

>> so much rather lie down.

>> I would rather not do anything if I had

a choice.

>> But not really, cuz you love doing

comedy.

>> I love doing comedy, but I never before

I had kids was trying to do comedy that

people would enjoy.

>> Do you know what I mean?

>> I think that is also though because you

were living in Australia and there's

limited options,

>> right?

Can you explain like the Australian

system is very different than it's

mostly festival driven. Correct.

>> It's festival driven and it's uh to a

much greater extent.

>> I've thought about this. It's like

industry driven like

>> industry.

>> Yeah. We don't

>> have which industry

>> like uh managers and agents which is one

role in Australia but they they are

deciding who's succeeding and TV people

are deciding who's succeeding. Whereas

like in America, everybody is on the

road. Everybody has one or two openers.

>> Mhm.

>> And there there's a whole lineage of who

brought who up,

>> right,

>> in the business. Like uh Dan Soda had

Nick Mullen, Tim Dylan, and Shane Gillis

open for him. Like those were his

openers,

>> right?

>> Um and not because they were successful

or someone wanted them to thrive. He

just thought they were funny people,

right?

>> And they got to be his openers. And you

I don't know who you were opening for,

but you have people who come up and

>> Well, I didn't really do it. I didn't

have it that way. I do it that way, but

I didn't have it that way. I didn't

really come up with anybody where I open

for any I just But I had a very weird

path to success.

>> You also you got to go to LA and just be

in the million like there's a scene

there. There's a lot of people.

>> I came out to LA with a job already.

>> Okay.

>> I was on a sitcom already.

>> You started in Boston though.

>> Yes. Started in Boston. Look,

it's very embarrassing how lucky I am.

I'm like one of the luckiest people

that's ever lived. Like it's stumble

upon success after success. So when I

was six years into comedy, I was already

on TV. So I was three years into comedy,

I was basically barely getting paid. I

was barely a professional. Like I was

getting some spots in bars and stuff

like that. I was making money, but I was

driving limousines.

>> I was doing odd jobs, doing different

things. And uh I was also still teaching

at the time. I was still teaching

taekwond do for the first

maybe

six months or so when I was 21. I I

think I kept teaching and then I

eventually had to quit because I

realized I could not commit to doing

both things. I don't want to halfass my

students. Yeah. And I don't want to have

so so for the first two three years of

comedy barely, you know, I'm barely a

comedian. Just I'm trying I'm trying to

do it. I'm getting some laughs. Met a

manager as an open micer and he brought

me to New York and he's still my manager

today.

>> Wow.

>> The best.

>> I didn't know that.

>> Yeah. It's total luck. Total luck.

>> You're also a super handsome guy. I've

seen I've seen you then.

>> I was boy pretty.

>> You look like a [ __ ] different

person. First of all, not worse. It is

crazy. But also a lot of those comics

who you started with who maybe it took

longer were I won't say hideous but they

don't they didn't look

>> well that definitely helped me get on

television. It definitely helped me get

on television. So I did the MTV half

hour comedy hour um in 1993 I believe it

was and next thing you know I had a

development deal. Next thing you know I

was on a sitcom and living out here

living

>> fast. But do you think it doesn't happen

for people? Do you think there's anyone

in America who has a good work ethic and

is really talented that it doesn't work

out for in comedy or does it work out?

>> You'd have to have a health issue.

Health issues or a really horrible

relationship. Those things could do you

in.

>> Or like you could have a drug problem.

>> Yeah, that'll do you in.

>> Gamble your money away.

>> That could do you in too. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a bunch of things that can do

you in.

>> But it's crazy like that there are like

not a lot of undiscovered geniuses in

America in the same way. Like people

will want to make money off of you if

you've got it.

>> Yeah. But there's some people that are

just really horrible at marketing. Like

Brian Holtzman for instance.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. We we had to kind of like force

Brian Holtzman into the modern era.

>> Yes.

>> Like and he's always been a comics comic

and he's always been a guy that we would

all sit in the back of the room at the

at at the store and watch. But he was

always getting these terrible spots and

it wasn't until we brought cuz he never

went on the road and I started out

together. So at the store together in

'94 we were both like I think he came in

93 and I came a year later

>> and he was working for like Panama or

something.

>> He was a dog catcher for a while. Yeah.

He was a I think he might have been a

meter maid.

>> Is he here at the I haven't seen him

yet.

>> Yes, he's here all the time. He lives I

don't know if he goes back and forth but

he he lives out here all the time. Yeah,

>> he's the best.

>> We I went to church with him. I don't

know if even if I should tell this

story, but I we we went to church

together once and it was really lovely.

He took me out for breakfast afterwards

cuz he's Catholic. And it was so funny

because the priest at the end like gave

the announcements and one of the things

he was like they're doing a parish

they're doing like uh what do what do

you call it? Like a talent show for

everybody. He's just announcing this to

the whole like 300 people. And Brian go

he goes there every week. They go, "So,

if anyone's got a skill, if anyone's a

juggler, anyone's a comedian, come and

do that for the talent show for

everybody." And he did. He He gave no

impression that he would be doing it.

But I love He [ __ ] spoonfaced Japs. I

would be terrified and upset

>> if he had brought that.

>> He's the sweetest man. I don't want to

give that away if people don't know.

>> He's a lovely man.

>> He's a great guy in real life. He always

was. Always was. Like, I've known him

forever. Um, so we were we so he's what

what I would say is like an undiscovered

genius because he was a guy that's just

[ __ ] killing it, but never went on

the road. He only worked the store.

>> I rarely saw him even at like the Laugh

Factory or the Improv. I don't I don't I

don't know if I could ever recall seeing

him at those places.

>> But he had he had to consciously make

the decision not to go on the road.

>> Well, it's hard because it's not offered

to you, you know? It's like, how do you

do it? If you just do all your sets at

the store, you kind of have to have

someone take you with them,

>> right?

>> So, what what happened with me is I

mostly did the road around New York and

Connecticut. So, when I moved to New

York in I guess 91ish.

Yeah. So, probably like 91ish. And so,

when I moved there, um the real money

like to be able to pay bills was in the

road. It was not in New York City. New

York City did not pay pay very well. You

can get a lot of spots, but also I was

really new, so maybe I couldn't have

gotten a lot of spots, but I could get a

lot of spots doing gigs for like John

Scheler. He had a whole Connecticut run

that you could do. They were great gigs.

They paid like 300 bucks a night. Or you

could do Gonzo at a bunch in New Jersey

and those paid really well.

>> Did this collapse at some point?

>> No, there's still probably some sort of

a network of road shows. There's a Louis

has a story on someone's podcast about

like crashing his motorcycle and then

like a bubble bursting. I don't know if

he was speaking

>> a bubble bursting.

>> It was like comedy all of a sudden club

started to close.

>> Well, there's been ups and downs with

that. There was there was um I came in

to comedy in ' 88 and apparently in ' 84

in Boston it was even better.

>> Yeah.

>> Like there was like a peak in I'm like

really? Like because I came in it was

amazing. There was clubs everywhere.

like, "Nah, you missed it."

>> So, there's always been this like up and

down of clubs closing and club, but but

like New York is on the rise right now.

There's a bunch of clubs that have

opened up in New York. New York's Comedy

right now is [ __ ] doing great.

>> I hope. Yeah. I hope they can figure it

out.

>> What do you mean?

>> Well, I was in uh last time I was in LA,

the spirit was so I was never in LA for

it being great, but I've heard all the

stories about

>> Yeah.

>> everyone's sports car at the back of the

thing and there's this gig and that gig.

And then I was everybody like has no

sense that it's ever going to work for

them. Like no one's even bothered to

there's like three podcasts in LA now

that people are doing I don't want to

talk it down but like here everybody is

so hopeful in Austin and I can look at

like Payton made it like last night I'm

looking at that green room I'm like all

of these people have money and are

touring

>> and they came here and they got to do it

like and the hope and the adventure and

when I was in LA everyone was

>> just

>> you might have picked a bad night but

it's also like the comedy store has

always been

>> that seems like it's getting better.

>> Yeah, it is getting better. Well, it's

definitely getting better because Rose

is running it now. She's awesome.

>> But I think The Comedy Store has always

been a topdown vibe. And if there was a

bunch of like bigname national acts that

were really cool and fun to hang out

with, then it was a great vibe. And when

they're gone,

>> it always felt empty. It always felt

weird. This is how it was with me in the

'9s when I was there.

>> And I think that's how it is now. We're

all out here now.

>> Yeah. you know, and it's like and then

people kind of feel abandoned, so they

feel sad, you know, feels and then they

get a little mad at you like you think

[ __ ] me doing Austin and so it

develops this stupid rift which is the

dumbest thing ever. We're all on the

same team and also you could work here

too. Like it's so dumb. Yeah.

>> Like but the rift is a real thing. But

it's like you have to be around a bunch

of people that are having a good time to

have a good time. You can't be the only

person having a good time.

>> And the rift can be good. The rift can

motivate people to Have you seen Laame

together?

>> No. What's he doing?

>> He's just going hard on New York people

and saying [ __ ] all of them and Austin's

number one. He's trying to He's doing

the same thing they were doing to him.

>> That's a silly

>> New York is [ __ ] crazy.

>> I think he gets very drunk

people.

>> There's so many great comics. Norman and

Soder and [ __ ] Andrew Schultz and

David's The Best Alive.

>> I don't know anyone great comedians in

New York.

>> I don't see how you could have kids. Uh

Gathagan raised all his kids there and

he's like Yeah. And he's super clean

Catholic guy.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't know how he's got to meet him.

First of all, he's got some money.

>> Money has got to help.

>> Send him to a nice place to go to school

where they're not going to get eaten.

>> I think the trans thing is done in the

schools.

>> Yeah, it's dropped off significantly. He

I had really cuz we were homeschooling

and I I was just aware cuz my dad's a

teacher and he would he would say I

don't want to get him in trouble but he

would report he would report that the

numbers were developing and I think as a

social phenomenon it seems to have like

>> now everyone just says they have an

anxiety disorder.

>> Well um you know when it dropped off

like noticeably when

>> when Elon bought Twitter

>> we just stopped pumping the content to

say

>> well all of a sudden you could say

whatever you wanted.

>> Yeah. And so you could make fun of it

now and then people realize, oh, this is

is a a completely falsely propped up

narrative.

>> Also, I mean, do you smoke cigars?

>> I quit all nicotine.

You have Do you have alcohol? I have a

drink.

>> I can get you some alcohol.

>> All right. If I could have a whiskey.

>> I quit I quit all nicotine. Uh,

>> what happened?

>> I I I was having heart palpitations. I

was doing it a lot. I had a problem. I

cannot do a little bit. I see you.

You'll just like you'll be backstage,

you'll have one cigarette and you're

fine.

>> Yeah.

>> I can't

>> and I never smoke outside of right

before a show.

>> I don't I mean I

>> All power to you. I can't do that.

>> I know how to shut things off and I I

also regulate like like I realize like

when I when I have an issue like the

nicotine pouches I can just stop them.

I've gone on vacation and just not take

them and I'm fine.

>> I think but I think it's my biology.

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I was quitting going back when I went

back to Australia and I came off

nicotine at the same time. I think that

was the closest to serious unpleasant.

Really?

>> I don't think I ever got through to

abusive, but man, there was a lot of

shouting at the family. What the [ __ ]

are YOU DOING? PUT IT DOWN.

>> I WAS NOT A HAPPY.

>> How long did it last?

>> It was for a month. I was real bad.

>> Wow.

>> That's a real bad

>> That's crazy for me. Um I don't know

what it is, man. I just I could just put

it alone, leave it alone and I'm fine.

And I I monitored myself like I went on

vacation for like eight days with the

family and I said, "All right, no

nicotine pouches. Let's see what

happens. Let's see if I see if I go

crazy. I was waiting.

>> Nothing. Nothing. Yep. Nothing.

>> Was it you with the pouches? Was it the

pouches?

>> I loved the pouches. And also, I mean, I

I got on the pouches to get off the

cigarettes. And then I had to go on the

cigarettes to get off the pouches. Then

I was having cigarettes and pouches and

the gum.

>> And uh my heart would start to go and my

mood would like go way up and way down.

>> Wow.

>> Um but it was I got a lot done. See, I I

get addicted to things. Yeah.

>> Like doing things.

>> Um like real bad. Like uh I get used to

get addicted. Archery. Sure. But the

thing about archery is you can only do

it so much.

>> Archery is good because it's, you know,

my bow is 80 lbs to pull back. And so if

I'm pulling it back, and I have another

one that's 90. And so when I'm pulling

it back, 80 lbs. You can only do that so

many times. You know, I could do that

maybe a 100 times in a day and my

[ __ ] shoulder's blown out. If you're

hunting though, I mean, you're not

shooting very often, but you wouldn't be

able to get so tired that if you got a

dangerous situation.

>> No, no, no, no. When you're hunting,

first of all, you're jacked up with

adrenaline. Like, like you could pull a

branch off a [ __ ] tree, you're you're

so jacked up with adrenaline, you're

just trying to stay calm. Like, when

you're about to pull your B, the bow

come pulls back effortlessly. It's like

it's like you don't even notice that

it's it pulls back so easy. You're so

ramped up, you're not even thinking

about How are you doing that?

>> Bow hunting.

>> Yeah.

>> Seriously, only a couple times a year

because I'm elk hunting, you know, and

if I get an elk

>> seasonal.

>> Yes. Okay. It's September. September and

October.

>> Those are the time. But in in Texas, we

hunt pigs sometimes.

>> We have a lease out here. So, we'll go

and hunt with a few of my friends from

Archery Country. Shout out to Tyler. Uh,

and my friend Evan from Black Rifle

Coffee. We'll go out.

>> Wild pigs.

>> Oh, they're everywhere. Okay. They're

infested with wild pigs are all over

Texas. Thank you. There's millions of

them. Like literally millions of them.

Like one time they opened up a highway.

Like they built this new highway. And uh

the day it opened up they had like this

[ __ ] ridiculous amount of accidents

cuz people were hitting wild pigs cuz

there were so many wild pigs out there

that they're just crashing into them on

the road with this new highway. Cuz the

pigs had never seen cars before on this

spot because they hadn't finished the

road yet. And then all a sudden there's

cars everywhere and these wild pigs are

just getting [ __ ]

>> But did they how do they get because in

Australia when they have a kangaroo

problem and a similar thing. Cheers. God

bless. Thank you.

>> God bless.

>> They um

>> they gatling gun them from the sky.

>> Have you seen

>> They do that here. They do that here uh

at a helicopter. You could do it if you

want while you're in town. I'll set it

up.

>> You know,

>> we could do it this way. I would feel I

would feel guilty. Yeah, that would have

been not a sporting way to start hunting

would be to

>> It's a different kind of hunting because

it's a necessity hunting, right? Um I

want to eat what I kill. If I kill

something, I want to eat it. Yeah. And

the thing about these wild pigs is

they're gunning down 20, 30, 40 of them

in a day. Yeah.

>> They're doing them out of helicopters

with machine guns.

>> There's a bunch of companies that do it.

There's there's a video of Ted Nent and

this guy named Pigman. Pigman is like a

famous bow hunter that lives in Texas.

And uh they it's called Apocalypse Now.

And the they're in a they're in a

helicopter. Ted Nent and Pigman in a

helicopter. And they gunned down like

240 pigs in a half hour pod. U not

podcast. Yeah. Hunting show.

>> That would be a great podcast.

>> He's on YouTube.

>> Pigman. Yeah.

>> He's a pig killing.

>> His name is Brian. His name is Brian,

but it's Pigmanri. He just kills a lot

of wild pigs. And but it's a necessity

out here. Look at this. is. But you have

to understand how many pigs they have

out here and the kind of damage that's

pigman and the kind of damage that these

pigs do to agriculture.

You know, they they go through fences

and they [ __ ] up livestock gets out and

there's a lot of [ __ ] with this. Yeah.

Oh, it's crazy.

>> Is this the argument for bringing wolves

back in?

>> No, do not bring wolves.

>> No, I'm against it. But I don't

understand the what is the most pro is

there one sensible argument for bringing

back in apex predators to

well there's arguments for it. You could

make an argument for it. The problem is

you do not understand no one understands

what the ultimate result is going to be

of introducing predators. There is a

very strong reason why they eradicated

wolves from the West Coast. Yeah. And

from the United States because they

[ __ ] kill everything. They're super

smart apex predators. They work in packs

unlike any other animal. They're very

different and they kill everything and

you can't do [ __ ] about them and they

kill people.

>> Also like the in the UK they got rid of

them hundreds of years ago. This was

like they celebrated it and also

>> they got rid of them in America too.

>> I mean and now these [ __ ] greenies,

these softies that really don't

understand nature want to bring them

back. So there's a good argument in some

ways that having some predators would

help, but the predators were slowly

moving their way back into these areas

anyway. So they never eradicated them

from Canada. So they would come down

from Canada and make their way into

Minnesota, make their way into Iowa,

make their way into not Iowa, uh Idaho,

um Wyoming, Montana. They had like a

small amount of wolves were kind of

making their way in. Then they

reintroduced a bunch of them into

Montana in the 1990s into Yellowstone.

That changed everything. That changed

everything. It dropped the elk

population by down to like 40% of what

it used to be, which many people argue

is actually a good thing because there

was no predators in terms of like like

there's mountain lions, but mountain

lions don't kill that many elk. They'll

kill one like a week.

>> Like families go to Yellowstone.

>> Yeah. So now there's just wolves.

>> Yeah, but the wolves are not [ __ ]

with the people at Yellowstone. They

really are just concentrating on the

animals and they've like really knocked

down the elk population substantially.

But now they have an open hunting season

on wolves in Montana because the the the

numbers got a lot higher than they

should be.

>> Right.

>> So now like I know guys who hunt wolves

and they go on wolf. It's very

difficult.

>> I was going to say it sounds more

dangerous and

>> unpleasant than hunting elk. Well, no,

>> it is dangerous and that it is a

predator and if you do get surrounded by

them, they decide to eat you and you

you're out of bullets, you could be

[ __ ] But for the most part, they're

very difficult to hunt. They're very

difficult to find. They're also very

difficult to get in range. They're

[ __ ] clever. They're clever and once

they realize they're being hunted and

they once they realize that people are a

problem, they [ __ ] steer way clearer.

>> What's the ideological reason for

wanting them back? Just that they it's

good to be in a country.

>> Nature. I love nature. Yeah, but focus

on the bees, you know.

>> Well,

>> flowers.

>> There's people that don't like hunting.

And for people that don't like hunting,

they want nature to balance itself out.

>> So, the people that don't like the idea

of humans killing and eating animals.

>> Yeah.

>> They don't like them going out into the

wild and killing wild animals. So, they

want something else to kill those wild

animals. So, then they bring in mountain

lions or then they bring in wolves. And

then they think that nature's going to

sort itself out.

I don't understand why he has to do it.

Why is it okay for them to

>> This is the vegetarian argument that I

never understand is that death occurs in

nature. Animals are eating other

animals.

>> So, are we if it's wrong to kill and eat

animals, should we intervene? Should we

>> Right. Should we kill all the mountains

to keep them from killing

>> vegan fox was one of my favorite uh bits

that you ever did.

>> Oh, vegan cat.

>> Is it No. Was it not a fox? Do you know?

>> No, it's about

>> It's very sick.

>> But it literally is a true story. Yeah.

Like this lady was saying mean things to

me on Twitter or Instagram and I saw one

of the things on her page. I went to her

page. It said #vegan cat and I was like

no. And so then I clicked on it and it's

all cats that look like they've been

stuck in a house with a gas leak.

>> Wait, maybe that got me started

searching vegan animals cuz vegan fox I

definitely read a lot about after that.

>> Yeah, there's people that have vegan

dogs. They feed their dogs fe. But

you're basically, you can kind of get

away with it a little bit with a dog,

but cats are what's called obligate

predators. They only

>> obligated to prey.

>> Yeah. They only eat meat. That's all

they eat.

That's it. They're just predators.

They're full-on murderous machines. Like

house cats are some of the most

murderous creatures on Earth. They kill

billions of animal. Oh, yeah. As soon as

you die.

>> As soon as you die. Yeah, cuz dogs will

give you an afternoon, not weeks. Other

dogs give you just a little head start.

>> It depends on how starving they are. You

know, if they if they're starving to

death, their instincts kick in and

they'll eat you. But cats just start

eating you. They're like, "Oh, look,

eyeballs."

>> Well, yet to get

We're yet to get an animal. You have You

have dogs.

>> Mhm.

>> You have one dog, two dogs.

>> Two dogs.

>> And you don't run the Instagram pages

for these Someone's running the dog

page. Really?

>> Yeah. Um, so we got a little guy named

Charlie. Yeah.

>> He is a King Charles King Charles

Cavalier Spaniel.

>> Yeah.

>> His the furthest animal away from wolf

that is possible. Like cuz they all came

from wolves. He's the furthest from

wolf. He has no this big. He's adorable.

>> You feel like wearing the big and the

stockings and holding him.

>> I was King Charles.

>> I just give him kisses. He's a sweetie

though.

>> It's not yours, bud.

>> That's what they look like.

>> Yeah,

>> that's what they look like. I mean, come

on. Look at that face. They're just so

sweet. They're so happy just to be

around you and they're just so loving

and they like he makes sounds like a

person. Like he was doing something like

he was licking all this water that was

coming off of a drain and I go, "Hey,

stop doing that." And I picked up a

heart in that dog.

>> Oh, but they don't they don't make me

feel sad. They're a little dog who look

interesting.

>> Oh, that's him. That's him. Yeah, that's

>> Charlie. Pugs make me very sad. I think

about pugs a lot. Um

>> and they upset me.

And the And the long dogs, like the

sausage dogs with the back problems,

anything that looks like it,

>> right,

>> it's ready to die.

>> No, no, I know what you mean. I know

what you mean.

>> Like a golden retriever is great.

>> Yeah, I have one of those. Yeah, it's my

favorite.

>> Those two dogs are great. This is not

like a pug. They're very active. They're

really They're They're very

>> It's like a water dog.

>> It's a [ __ ] dog that's just like a

house dog. They're just like a little

love machine. Just a little pet. He's a

sweet, sweet little guy. Like he's the

best. He's so nice. He's like so And he

just relentlessly tortures my dog

Marshall.

>> The big dog.

>> Yeah. Who's the most tolerant dog on

earth? He just lays there and the dog

the puppy's like like biting him and

biting his ear. He's a year old.

>> Okay.

>> So you've had him for whatever. Eight

months, I guess. Like how how many

months they give them to you? Three

months old. Something like that. How old

are puppies when you get them?

>> Yeah, they should should be I think

eight weeks old, I think.

>> Men. So we probably had him for 10

months. He's [ __ ] adorable. You

cannot travel with a dog to Australia.

>> No. Um,

>> you have to get them all kind of tried.

>> Yeah. He got in big trouble for that,

right?

>> I think that was the beginning of the

end of that marriage.

>> I think it from the moment he said

>> they were happy. They were happy until

that dog problem.

>> But uh the guy who

>> there was a politician who stopped

Johnny Depp who was like he came out and

said we're going to destroy his dogs and

then everyone made fun of him in

America. But that guy is now doing he's

like big in the emergent populist right

in Australia over the last six months.

>> And he got he wanted to kill Johnny

Giant Depp's dogs.

>> Yeah. He's a great SP. He was like I

don't care if you are People magazine

sexiest man of the year. Get your dogs

out.

>> Oh why? What's the big deal?

>> Uh we have no rabies. We have we we're

very precious about the border. That's

all we've got. His name is Barnaby

Joyce. He is sick.

>> Demanded dogs leave the country within

48 to 50 hours or be put down. citing

strict quarantine laws designed to

protect diseases like rabies. But here's

the thing, just test them.

>> How much does it cost to test a dog for

rabies? It's probably pretty quick.

>> Barnaby Joyce drunk. So, this was short,

not long after that. An issue with the

uh if you Yeah. Pistol and Boo. Yeah. Go

Barnaby Joyce drunk. They caught him uh

on the streets of our lake of CRA, which

is where the capital is. And he was just

passed out in the street. He's like,

"There he is down the bottom."

Yeah.

>> The bottom one. Yeah, but he's uh he's

just he's just lying on the street.

When was it?

>> It wasn't that long ago.

>> Years ago,

>> Joyce

after Parliament rose at 10 p.m. Oh,

that's all he was doing. Just walking

back to his accommodations.

>> I do like him a lot.

>> Look, he's just taking a nap. He's just

chilling.

>> We have a strong be a long walk.

>> Yeah, man. Give the guy a break.

>> It's kicking. We're finally We were the

last country to have like a right-wing

populist thing happen. You guys had the

Trump and then

England is having it happen with like in

a in a big way. It's really starting to

swing there.

>> So, it's swinging right now and the

first time it's starting up. Yeah. And

what's what's causing that

>> terrorist attack was not good.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and then also running out of petrol

>> really has upset people.

>> Uh we don't have we don't make our own

gas. We had two refineries. One of them

accidentally blew up a week ago.

>> Do you think it accidentally blew up?

>> I have no comment to make.

>> What do you think though?

>> No, I think probably someone

>> seems like real bad luck.

>> Seems like it.

>> I mean they would have been doing it at

like max capacity. Maybe they did it

past when it was safe, but it's not.

car. I thought I wasn't going to make it

out of the country cuz you're out of

gas.

>> Flight started to get cancelled.

>> Yeah. So, I made it. We'll see if I can

get back. And if not, you can't

>> Well, I'll just stay in Austin for

another couple months.

>> I'm sorry, honey.

>> Just we got a lot of spots.

>> There's no choice.

>> I'm not going to get work here.

>> It is so nice getting to do it. It is so

nice having a club that No, it's like

there's four cities in the world where

you can do it. I think about this a lot.

There's nowhere like in America there's

three and there'd be London. That's it.

That's it. That you can what?

>> That there's like

multiple rooms with lineup shows every

night of the week, right?

>> So people can just go and run 10 15

minutes.

>> Yeah.

>> And like at a good room with people who

get paid

>> and get paid.

>> I mean, you need all of those factors to

be able to do it.

>> And you also need other people around

you.

>> Yes.

>> This is one of the things that we were

talking about last night in the green

room. like you know me and Aries in town

and uh we were saying you can't be like

the best comic in the world and just

live in a small town in you know

Cincinnati. It's like it doesn't exist

by yourself doesn't exist. Comedy

doesn't exist

>> in a little town in Arizona and the

pressure seems to have driven that

comedy club owner right over the edge.

>> Oh yeah, Stan Hopes boy. But that guy

was crazy already, right? I didn't know

a thing about it. I just saw him give

the speech.

>> Well, if he's hanging with Stanh Hope,

>> you know, Stanh Hope tends to collect

some people that are on the fringe.

>> I'm not blaming Doug Stan,

>> but that's a different scene, right?

Like Stanh Hope, you know, was just kind

of being out there by himself and it

didn't even have a comedy club for the

longest time while he lived there. It

wasn't like there was a whole comedy

scene there in Bisby.

>> Was it like 20,000 people?

>> It's very small. Yeah,

>> he knows everybody, right?

>> But the Austin thing was very different.

like we were stuck here. There's there

was not a lot of options. We could have

gone to Houston. We could have gone to

Dallas. Maybe Nashville. No, maybe

Florida. There was no place else so that

we would allowed to do comedy.

>> Nashville is would be the next one

trying.

>> Nashville's got zies, which is awesome.

That's a great club.

>> Um

>> they have big They got Theo there.

They've got Nate there.

>> Nate and Theo both live there. But I

don't know how many sets they're doing

in town. You know, Nate is doing [ __ ]

stadiums. He's doing these giant places

all over the world

>> and Theo is killing it and he's got one

of the best podcasts in the world.

>> But there are definitely there are like

Nashville comics who are coming out who

I see around the place who are doing

really well.

>> Sure. I'm sure there's a smaller scene,

but in terms of like a lot of work,

>> Yeah.

>> Austin's the spot right now because

there's seven clubs on our street.

>> Hold on.

>> That's nuts. Within a block radius,

you've got Creek in the Cave, which is

over on Seventh. You've got Sunset,

which is right next to us. You got Black

Rabbit.

>> You've got the Velvita Room.

>> Yes.

>> I'm going to count Shakespeare's Next

Door.

>> Yeah,

>> I'll allow that.

>> They do comedy.

>> Um,

>> but there if you like

>> I do love the Velvita room. I I

>> That place has been around forever.

>> It's been around forever. And uh there's

the gay cabaret next door. I don't think

it's expressly gay. I just call it a gay

cab.

>> You like going in there?

>> I went there one one evening. I was

having a full mental breakdown. I don't

know why. just a classic, you know,

>> out of nowhere.

>> H, you know, the kids, it's a lot of

pressure, maybe the act wasn't working,

maybe I've been on the road, I don't

know. And I was down, I was depressed,

and I wandered into them doing their the

Esther's Folly's show. I just sat up the

back and I had a pina colada and they

were all like, there was a magician,

just a very camp magician, and then

they're singing like campy show tunes

about the Supreme Court or something

like they're still doing SNL style

sketches. And it was like,

>> you know, it was dumb and it was hokey,

but it made me so happy.

>> Oh, that's nice.

>> Just to like have

>> people razledazzle smiling. There was no

bitterness.

>> Happiness.

>> Yeah. And it made me want to fix my act

so that I wasn't you. Like sometimes I

feel get up there and I'm just like

screaming and I look unpleasant. And

these people are like,

>> you owe people a show.

>> Yes.

>> You know,

>> I don't think you look unpleasant. But

you're just very self-conscious. No, I

sometimes I did the creek in the cave

last night and I did a lot of screaming

into

the abyss. It's like, yeah,

>> another great club. [ __ ] great great

spot. Creek in the Cave is a great club.

It's a fun place. When it's packed, it's

rocking

>> and you know, it's a lot of good comedy

coming out of that. I mean, that's where

Shane filmed a special.

>> New York is on the up again. New York is

finally

>> Everybody that I talk to, all my friends

from New York, all I'll say that there's

a lot of clubs opening. There's a lot

going on. It's it's it's hopping. Didn't

they just open up uh an was it an improv

in Brooklyn? Did they open up an improv

in Brooklyn?

>> I know that Top Secret Comedy has just

like a London club has just moved there.

>> Interesting.

>> Uh I don't know how it's going, but

they're doing like a free model where

people

>> they're trying to do they were trying to

do a UCB in Austin. I don't know if

that's still happening. The problem with

UCB is UCB in LA didn't pay at all.

>> Is this improv?

>> No. Upright Citizen Brigade. They have

some improv, but they do stand up in the

city. I didn't know. I don't know.

>> They do stand up shows. Yeah. But they

don't pay you.

>> They don't pay.

>> No. Which is crazy.

>> There was a history of that at the

store.

>> Sure. That was the the There was like

this big protest. What does it say?

Improv Brooklyn. There you go.

>> A strong zoom. Well, I was just

>> Yeah, I think Joey said he was going

there. It's uh it's a completely new

place.

>> All right. This I don't know if

But this is what I'm saying. It's like

it's popping. Comedy's coming back.

>> Some improvs are black and some are not.

>> What?

>> Like some improvs around the country are

like just black. If I look at the

lineup, I'm not saying here. I'm not

saying here, but like you sound like a

racist foreigner.

>> In Cleveland, the improv is just a black

club.

>> I've done the improv in Cleveland. I

think

>> it's a black club. No negativity. I like

I like I would like I like playing black

clubs.

>> Improving on the list here.

>> So it's Cleveland is that's one. It's

close to Kentucky, right?

>> Am I getting this right? Maybe it's

Pittsburgh.

>> I don't think

>> No, Pittsburgh's not I've been that

place.

>> No, I've done that one as well.

Pittsburgh up there as well.

>> Hilarities or something.

>> I'm telling Well, hilarities was the

nonraially

>> go back to that website real quick.

>> Look at all the different ones. Wow.

>> There's not one in Cleveland though.

>> There's a ton of them. Is one of those

fake? Maybe it shut down. So, the other

there's a club in Cleveland. There is a

club in Cleveland that I went to way

back in the day.

>> Um, but it's really You land in Kentucky

and then you drive to Cleveland.

>> What?

>> Yeah.

>> No, Cincinnati.

>> Oh, is it Cincinnati?

>> Yeah, that makes more sense.

>> Okay, that's it.

>> You're right.

>> You need to drive up.

>> Ohio is more built than people give

credit before.

>> Three huge cities. They got that chili

that everybody loves.

>> Great. Columbus. Cincinnati has the most

beautiful skyline.

>> You have do the funny bone. Columbus.

>> Yes.

>> [ __ ] great club

>> with the balcony. It was very nice.

>> That's Is it have a balcony?

>> I'm pretty. Yes.

>> Columbus. Funny one. I'm getting this

right.

>> Definitely changed it since you've been

there last.

>> Is it a new one?

>> No.

They just renovated the whole room.

>> Oh, I love having the balcony.

>> They must have had to add seats. It was

killing it.

>> Everywhere that has a balcony is my

favorite.

>> Well, once you have a place that's a

club that gets good action every

weekend, Cleveland improv. Okay, hold

on. Come on. What's that? They love to

go to see Eddie Griffin at the Cleveland

Improv. Come on.

>> This is 20 uh maybe it closed.

>> This is 2020. Oh, it's six years ago.

>> I don't know. It's like when I typed in

Cleveland improv.

>> So, who is that?

>> Lell's there and Tony Baker was there.

>> Bon is what comes up though.

>> I will not be bismerched for making a

very genuine observation about how black

the Cleveland improv was.

>> That's hilarious. Cuz I tried to get on.

I was trying to do black rooms when I I

got to uh I got to open for finesse

Mitchell. That was the first black room

I got to play.

>> Nice.

>> I've slowed down. There's not heaps of

black rooms in Austin. I should go over

to Houston sometimes. And

>> yeah, where the black rooms in Austin?

>> I think the mother ship

>> probably.

>> I think some of the lineups at the ship.

Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> I still I still think chocolate Sundays

could work at the Mothership. I can't

run it. You could. That would be fun.

>> I feel like you just have shows. I think

themes are [ __ ] They tried to do an

Italian theme at the Comedy Store for a

while, like uh Night of a Thousand

Guidos, I think they called it. And I

did it and I was like, "What am I doing?

I'm on this show with all these other

Italians just because they're Italian."

>> There is something different about a

black audience.

>> Yeah, sure. It is. Yeah. Yeah.

>> That's a different skill set. I found

>> it's a different skill set. And they

they won't tolerate nonsense. They won't

tolerate all this like what else? What

else? No, no, no, no, no. They're not

here for that. which I think is good.

>> You can't even make fun of gay. You

can't just You can't mention gay stuff

at all. I think

>> really

>> Oh, man. I I had a trans bit.

>> Just people were not happy to hear. Why

are you talking about that? Why are you

bringing that up? We're out here to have

a nice night.

>> It was like on a dime. It turned

>> really

>> Yeah. And then people told me afterwards

they don't want to hear about they don't

want to hear that word from you.

>> Really interesting.

>> It was uh it was fun. I felt very alive

when it was going well and also black

people giving you compliment just an

Aussie boy coming off stage and having a

black guy go you got a good stage

presence I was like oh [ __ ] thank you so

much

>> that's awesome

>> I um yeah black people are that was that

was very eye opening when I came to

America

>> you don't have a lot of that in

Australia

>> we have Africans and we have aboriginal

people but we have no if you wear a cool

coat in Australia no one will tell you

about it

>> there will be no one to say

>> yeah there's a very big difference

between Africanameans

>> yeah and black people worldwide. Like

African-Americans are responsible for so

much of the culture, music, comedy.

There's like so much of an impact that

African-Ameans have had on the world.

Think about just just hip-hop music.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. So hip-hop music doesn't even

exist until I was in middle school,

>> like late7s.

>> Yeah. So I was in middle school. I went

to high school in ' 81. And uh when was

Sugar Hill Gang's hip hopity the hippity

hip hop? What was that song called?

Rappers Delight. Yeah.

>> So that song came out when I was I think

I was 13. I think I was 13. I think I

was in middle

>> 1979 is when it formed.

>> That makes sense. So when I was in B

when we first moved to Boston, my family

didn't have much money. We we lived in a

place called Jamaica plane and it had

since been kind of gentrified but that

back then it was not it was the first

time I'd ever been around scary kids.

Yeah.

>> Like violent delinquent kids who had all

had sex. I hadn't had sex. All these

kids they're like you don't even know

where a [ __ ] is, do you? I'm like it's

down there. Like you probably think you

go right into it, right? You got to go

up. I'm like okay. I don't [ __ ] know.

I never even kissed a girl. I was like

what the [ __ ] are you guys talking

about? But they were like lighting

fires, doing crazy [ __ ] Like they were

dope, delinquents, stealing things,

breaking and entering. Yeah. And so I

went to this high school or middle

school rather

>> and this middle school was in a poor

neighborhood. And I remember there was a

kid that was in my class. I was 13. He

was 17 years old. And he kept failing.

He kept failing and coming back. He

would come back for like a couple weeks

or two and then he would quit. And I

remember seeing him at the beginning of

the school year and going, "I can't

believe he's 17 and he's in class with

me. This is nuts." And then I was filled

with like this sense of dread for him,

for his future. Like this [ __ ] guy's

never going to graduate middle school.

So he's never going to go to high

school. He's [ __ ] 17. Like will they

even allow you to go to high school if

you're 21? Like what what year do they

say you can't come here anymore? You

failed nine years in a row.

>> It was that kind of kids. It was that

kind of kids. And then

>> there was like kids making out in class.

I remember this Puerto Rican girls. She

asked a question to the the teacher. She

said, "If I'm making out with a guy and

I'm and he's breathing into my mouth and

I'm breathing into his, can we stay

alive like that?"

>> I No, no, no. It's carbon dioxide. I

never forgot that question. We need

fresh oxygen.

>> It was the craziest question. She was

like, "Can we breathe each other's air

and and not open our mouths?" And I was

like, "What are you doing, you [ __ ]

dirty freak? So, a lot of girls uh

dropped out like while I was there

because they got pregnant.

>> Sure.

>> It was dangerous.

>> Where were you before then, though? Were

you in a middle class? You were in a

more middle class place before then.

>> Yeah, I was in Florida. I was in

Gainesville, Florida, which was like way

safer. It was It was pretty cool.

>> You may have moved around more than

anyone I know.

>> I moved around a lot. So I lived in New

Jersey until I was 7 and then lived in

San Francisco from 7 to 11 and then

lived in Florida from 11 to 13 and then

Boston from 13 to 24.

>> Do you I mean because you're you're now

your kids growing up in they were in LA

and then they're here full time. Do you

think

>> I I worry about my kids because I've I I

don't think they've ever been in the

same house for more than one year. Like

I have a seven-year-old daughter. She's

been in seven houses now. Uh cuz we've

had to move a lot and I wonder what

impact that is making.

>> Well, as long as they're young, I

honestly think it has a positive effect.

>> Okay,

>> this is my take on what it did for me.

>> Um I was forced to form my own opinions

instead of adopting the opinions of a

group of people that were around me

because I never had a consistent group

of people that were around me.

>> Yeah. I met a bunch of new people

everywhere I went and I had new friends

everywhere I went and completely new

environments everywhere I went. So I

went from San Francisco in the 1970s

right into Florida and Florida was so

backwards in terms of their mentality in

comparison to San Francisco. San

Francisco we lived in Hippieville. It

was all like anti-war people and it's

San Francisco in the 1970s. And so then

moved to Florida and it was like I had

this friend, his name was Candy. His

last name was Candido. Everybody called

him Candy. And his dad was like this

really angry Cuban guy. And uh I

remember him slamming a newspaper on the

table and he was like, "These [ __ ] want

to marry. This is crazy. Like they're

going to let [ __ ] marry each other."

And I remember thinking like, what do

you care? Cuz I lived in San Francisco.

We're surrounded by gay people. Our

neighbors were gay. My aunt used to

smoke pot with them and they'd all get

naked and play bongo drums cuz like she

felt comfortable being naked around

these guys who had no interest.

>> They should reign it in now. I would say

having now seen San Francisco a

>> little bit. But that's not it's not the

gays that caused San Francisco to go

down the way it is. It's this crazy

progressive politics where allow people

to camp on the streets.

>> I just I went to a diner and I saw a

man. He was wearing assless chaps and

sitting on the That upset me.

>> Apparently,

>> if you're gay, it would be a good spot.

>> The public nudity is your you have to

cover the urethra.

>> Oh,

>> but if you cover the urethra, everything

else is fine.

>> Oh, so you just like put a piece of tape

over the whole

>> googly eye over the [ __ ] eye.

>> Maybe you kind of call it that.

>> You can. You just did.

>> Okay.

>> No, but that's so that that would that

help you become more cuz you had like a

weirdly independent mentality.

>> That's why.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So that I think going to a

bunch of different places and seeing

that oh people think completely

differently over here than they think

over here. This is weird.

>> You know, I remember when I lived in

Florida, I had to ask my mother what the

n-word meant cuz I heard it at school

and she got upset with me. She goes,

"You know what it means?" I go, "I don't

I don't what it means." And she's like,

"It's a it's a bad word for black

people." I was like, "Whoa, really?"

like it made no sense to me because the

formative years I think were really

important and I think 7 to 11 in San

Francisco was really important for me

because

in a way at least for me it was a very

much a utopian city. It was like very

open-minded. It was very peaceful. There

was very little crime like real crime.

>> The most beautiful place.

>> It was gorgeous.

>> It was gorgeous. We' I'd go fishing. I

had this guy, there was like this

community center and this guy named

Cliff would take us fishing. It was

really cool. Like there was a lot of

like good things about San Francisco

back then and there was a lot of artists

and it was a lot of like it was a cool

vibe, you know. It was a it was a very

openminded vibe that was a lot of it was

centered around the anti-war movement

and peace. You know, there was a lot. It

was like it was a different kind of and

they were sort of just like just getting

over the psychedelic wave of the 1960s,

right? So, this is like they were still

in that mode,

>> but it was still like an artist driven.

>> Yeah. A lot of open pot smoking. It was

a lot of like

>> just hippies and but but in the best

way. It wasn't camping on the streets.

It wasn't there was no fentinel back

then. There was no any there's no

homelessness. Like homelessness was

super super rare.

>> Yeah.

>> Like in the 1970s, like when I was a

kid, I never saw people camped out in

the street, you never saw any of that.

You occasionally saw a bum and it was

usually some poor [ __ ] who's was like a

drunk guy, right?

>> He would have lost his way.

>> Also, if you if you look Harry or on the

waterfront whenever there is like a

depiction of

>> like whenever they're doing vagrants in

the 50s and 60s, it's like a drunk guy

stumbling around. Like in Rambo, he just

wants a sandwich and they chase him out

of town,

>> right?

>> And then, you know, it is trouble. But

now there's like

>> they're everywhere.

>> It's like kung fu skeletons moving

around the like full of drug. Like what

is the end point of that? No one no

one's running on that. I remember Trump

talked about a little bit the need to

have asylums again because they closed

the asylums.

>> Yes.

>> Uh I mean there are more therapists now

than there ever were before, but they're

helping like corporate people. They're

not helping schizophrenics without a

home. Like at some point

you saw Trump bring the army in to

places like Portland or the the National

Guard to clear it out and I think people

were quietly kind of pleased that that

was happening. Uh there was people

pushed back.

>> Is that why they cleared it out? It was

a homeless situation.

>> It was the homelessness that they

>> I thought it was protests.

>> No, I think that was I think that in

Washington as well. I think they came

into

>> Well, Washington was homeless people.

>> It was crime as well. Like Washington

was like crazy with crime

>> and they were all kind of happy about

it. Well, the mayor of DC was happy.

Yeah.

>> That Trump brought in the National

Guard.

>> But this is it's not a nice

>> You can't lose the downtowns across

America.

>> You know how bad LA's gotten, right?

>> Uh yeah, LA.

>> Yes, I do.

>> Do you know how big Skid Skid Row is?

Take a guess.

>> I uh What do you mean? How many people?

>> How many blocks?

>> I have no idea.

>> Take a guess.

>> Two.

>> 50.

>> Well, that's too many blocks.

>> Five zero. That's That's not a road

anymore.

>> 50 just completely claimed by homeless

zombies.

>> No. How big are the blocks? I'm thinking

about LA downtown.

>> Big as [ __ ]

>> I stayed away from there.

>> It's huge.

>> I went to the Hollywood Hills in Malibu

and had a nice time.

>> Downtown is nuts. Downtown LA is the

only downtown of any major city that

sucks.

>> No,

>> but downtown New York downtown New York

is incredible,

>> right? Downtown San Francisco is [ __ ]

with homeless people, but it's still you

got great restaurants. Downtown LA is a

ghost town.

I said Portland. Weird. Portland is so

beautiful in downtown. But then you will

turn down a street and it's terrifying.

>> 50 to 54. Oh, it's growing.

>> Skidro in Los Angeles, officially known

as Central City East, covers

approximately 50 to 54 blocks.

>> 15,000.

>> Yeah. They don't know how many people

are there. There's just wild guesses in

terms of what the populations of

homeless people are. Even in terms of

the population in the entire city, the

high number is over a 100,000 in the

city.

>> It's crazy. Look how big it is. All that

whole area is completely lost.

>> It was a row. I thought it was like one

street.

>> Well, it was it was back in like the

1960s.

>> I think it's there's a like a map or

something they drawn on a picture there.

I think it's been that for a long time.

>> Look at this proposed area. Affordable

housing. Affordable housing is just a

joke. It's not what the problem is.

They're all drug addicts. They're drug

addicts and mentally ill.

>> Yeah. But what do you do to

>> Well, you can't let it get that bad,

first of all. And if you do let it get

that bad, you got to treat it like it's

a catastrophic failure and throw as much

resources as possible at it.

>> But the problem is these people are

incentivized to keep the problem going

because that's how they make their

living.

>> Absolutely.

>> They don't have any motivation

whatsoever to fix it. Yeah. Because if

the homeless population drops down to

like a very small number and then they

don't need all these people that are

making half a million dollars a year on

the homeless commission, it's complete

grifting. I I don't I don't have a it's

not my country. I don't have any big

problem with Gavin Newsome. You know, I

don't understand how LA has every story

that comes out of California seems to

be.

>> Okay. Okay, so here it says between 1960

and 1975, 50% of the housing in Skid Row

was demolished, reducing the total

number of units from 15,000 to 7,500 and

displacing thousands of poor residents

with nowhere else to go but the street.

While Skid Row was never a wealthy

neighborhood, its current status as the

homeless capital of America is the

result of decades of policy choices

which have simultaneously encouraged the

destruction of existing affordable. See,

this is, by the way, this is a very

progressive perspective. The the real

perspective the real perspective is that

what they used skid Row for was when

they would find vagrants in Beverly

Hills and vagrants in H in Hollywood

they would move them to Skid Row and

then they would kind of contain them in

that area

>> right here.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Dumping.

>> So encourage concentration camp for the

homeless

>> with homeless medical patients like

other See this is a very pro progressive

perspective. Homeless medical patients.

How about vagrants who are drug addicts?

You can call them medical patients like

you're just being kind. This is just too

charitable from the across the region.

So they would dump them there and then

they also had like food kitchens there

and stuff like that. So they they had a

incentive to stay but they kept them

there and so then it kept growing

because the homeless problem keeps kept

growing and growing.

>> It's psychosis and drugs. That's the

ultimate.

>> Yes. Drugs are the big one. It's and

drugs are the the drug use in Skid Row

is probably 100%.

>> It's not like regular homeless people

that are

>> there in Portland and I saw a I was I

walk into the train station through the

downtown which no one told me not to do

it and I saw all these very sad homeless

people and then one guy with a big

smile. He was so happy. I

>> probably was fatal.

>> Well, no. It's the first time I saw

crack being smoked. Yeah. Has a great

smell. Smell kind of sweet.

>> Yeah.

>> Like what way? Like

>> it smell like sweet. like a rotten

apple. That's how it felt at the time.

>> I don't know if that was the cracker of

I mean, he was smoking crack and I could

smell that, but he was so happy and I

didn't want to take his crack away. You

know, it's like he's the only thing

you've really got going for you today.

>> Yeah. I think crack

>> obviously we should take it away.

>> Not good for you, but probably better

for you than fentanyl.

>> It's all I think with crack you're

active. Crack makes you go do a bunch of

stuff. So this is here. This is weird

seeing heroin people for the first time

cuz they're not like a threat.

>> Australia is still a very meth country.

We're like

>> oh meth is a problem.

>> A lot of like skinny shirtless men on

the bus.

>> Angry.

>> Yeah.

>> Weird head twitching back and forth.

>> So we're still very methy, but meth

doesn't seem to be as big here now.

>> Oh, it's big. It's big in certain

communities. Yeah. Meth is still big.

It's like you know what what you've got

in I mean the the homeless situation in

Skid Row wasn't always fentanyl and

heroin. I mean, at one point in time it

was math. You know, it's it's a gang of

different things. I'm sure there's

people there that are doing