And then there's the exercise, right?

And so what kind of exercise? I did a

podcast with Dr. Tommy Wood recently.

Fascinating guy. People should listen to

that episode. But 4x4 Norwegian

high-intensity training, which is like

you're basically doing, I guess it would

be considered zone 4.

>> You're really maxing out your heart

rate. And you're doing 4 minutes on,

>> 3 minutes off, 4 minutes on, 3 minutes

off, four minutes on. You're repeating

that four times. And it is very much

puke inducing. It's a lot of lactic

acid. Yeah. Yeah.

>> The problem has always been or one of

the problems has always been that if I'm

traveling,

>> stationary bikes in hotels are just

terrible. Like they will destroy my

knees. They're just they're just too

inconsistent in terms of settings and

stuff.

>> So I was texting with Tommy. I don't

think he'd mind me saying.

>> I'll have to double check with him. But

I asked him, I said, "If in the

conversation we had, I was like, "Well,

what are the drivers here? Is it V2

max?" Cuz people talk about V2 max, V2

max, V2 max. And

he said, "Well, lactate actually seems

to be a big driver, like lactic acid,

right?

>> Driver of what?

>> Driver of the cognitive changes, like

the neuroanatomical and vascular

changes." And it's like, "Okay, well,

hold on a second." I was like, "If

that's the case, there are certain ways

of weight training, like if you do 20

rep squats in slow cadence or any number

of different things, like you are going

to be brimming with lactic acid. Could

that possibly achieve the same effect? I

think it's cloth though.

>> Cloth is another part of it

>> cuz cloth has been shown like hit is

what creates cloth in the humans.

>> Well, cloth cloth is another piece. I

don't think it's the only piece. I think

that I mean look I can't wait for us to

have proper injectable cloth or that

lever to pull but in the meantime I

guess the right now today right

what I'm saying is like high intensity

interval training when you're traveling

is not always the easiest thing to do.

Right. Right.

>> But like for instance, when I go back to

my hotel tonight,

>> Yeah.

>> can I do like like a couple of sets of

very high repetition leg presses and

just basically have lactic acid pouring

out my eyeballs? Yeah, I can do that and

I can do it in like 5 minutes, right?

It's very And

>> there are many open questions about it,

>> but that's the approach I'm taking. And

what's really cool about the the

Norwegian 4x4 that Tommy describes, and

I think I'm remembering this correctly,

is that if you do it, I think it's three

times a week for 6 months, you can

observe the effects, the beneficial

effects for like 5 years afterward.

>> Wow. Holy [ __ ]

>> Isn't that [ __ ] crazy?

>> That's amazing.

>> The durability of the effects are just

nuts.

>> Okay, this is what I got to I will start

by like one by one or something to get

going. No way in hell doing 4x4 if

you're doing it properly. I use a

Morpheus chest strap.

>> Yeah, but you're assuming a certain

level of baseline cardiovascular fitness

and do 4x4.

>> Not not really because

>> I mean look, you don't you don't want to

like blow your apart, but it's heart

rate based, right? So if you get winded

and your heart gets gone walking up a

flight of stairs, like you're not going

to need very much to get into the proper

zone. I will say for me and this comes

back to the mitochondrial discussion and

I've had doctors who are like that's

nonsense. It's all mediated by the lungs

or it's actually not mediated by the

lungs. It's all like heart stroke

volume. I'm like my legs crap out first.

>> Yeah. Before my heart rate gets to where

it needs to be. My legs are the weak

length and the fatigue in my legs. I've

got boots for you tonight. Can I put the

boots on while you have dinner?

>> Are these the uh

>> the ones that go all the way up the leg?

>> Normally.

Have you ever tried them?

>> I have. I love those. Oh, they're so

good. For people who don't know, real

quick, the quick aside, you just like

squeeze and they move the blood around

in your legs. They're great for

recovery. It's like if you want to feel

like a coobe cow.

>> Yeah, exactly.

>> Throw on some Norch boots.

>> Have have a cold beer while you're doing

Yeah. We could do both those things

tonight.

>> I mean, that's it from my side. Doom and

gloom AI ship, but I don't want to talk

about that.

>> Yeah. No, let's save the doom and gloom

for next time. I think you're getting

contagion from one of our other friends.

I left out something that's got to be

important.

>> Which show you're talking about?

>> We have a buddy that just like we text

with and we love you if you're

listening, but he's like the world is

ending.

>> It's a lot of it's I can only I lean

dystopian anyway. It's like I don't need

anyone

>> feeding that hyper vigilant like I need

to become John Connor. Like I don't

>> Yeah.

>> Plus it's like can I do anything? What

what am I going to do? What's going to

do?

>> Yeah. Exactly. Meditate.

>> The [ __ ] genies out of the bottle

folks. So we'll save the doom and gloom

for next time. But in terms of an

actionable thing like something I just

did before coming here.

>> Yeah.

>> Let's say you want to experiment with

this lactate as lever.

>> Yeah.

>> For

cognitive longevity, right? Like that's

interesting. Okay.

>> And let's just say furthermore to your

point, right?

>> Everybody's getting older and believe

me, maybe you're like 20-year-old dude

and feeling immortal.

Those like [ __ ] up joints and broken

bones will add up. and they will come

back to haunt you like the ghost of

Christmas past.

>> So if you're trying to minimize

injury risk, right, and lifting, there

are a couple of different ways you can

do it.

>> One that I've been a proponent of for a

long time is slow down, right? 5 seconds

up, 5 seconds down, 10 seconds up, 10

seconds down.

>> Time under tension is is huge, right?

>> Yeah. So it's like look, if you're not a

competitive powerlifter,

>> consider moving slowly. What that

requires you to do is lower the weight.

You're also not going to be using

momentum.