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What's happening? What's happening?

>> Good to see you. Same. We were just

talking. So I had pause Jamie before the

podcast. So you were telling me that

LeBron James is not going to go back to

the Lakers. How How old is he now? 41.

>> 41. Yeah.

>> What is like the the oldest that a elite

athlete has been?

>> Tom Brady's 44, I think, NFL QB. That'd

be pretty high up there.

>> How was K? How was was Kareem?

>> That's a good question. How old was

Kareem when he retired?

>> Bernard Hopkins, I think, would be the

next.

>> Bernard Hopkins is number one.

>> Yeah, Bernard definitely. We were

talking about how he beat Kelly Pavich

at 42,

>> but Bernard had a couple of years to to

incubate a little bit.

>> Oh, yeah. [laughter]

>> Well, you know about that. Yeah. Not

take damage and steal up the mind.

>> He uh he had the most intense

discipline. That guy never got out of

shape, which is also a giant contributor

to longevity. Never never was building

back, you know. He wasn't like a 42 year

old who was like, you know, he took six

months off. I haven't been in the gym.

No, but no, no, no. Every day it was

running, nutrition, everything was

always on point. Never varied.

>> Kareem was like 42, I think.

>> So, he might be the oldest of the past,

guys. But this was before all the

science, right?

>> Yeah. The science changes things.

>> The science. So, we were just talking

about the science. So, Jamie, what are

they allowed to take and not allowed to

take?

>> Uh, I don't know. Uh it's like the NBA

used to like I think for like weed stuff

they used to say that like uh they'd get

tested I think like October 1st which is

like right when preseason starts

>> for weed.

>> Yeah. And so like if as long as you were

clean on October 1st then you're good

cuz they wouldn't test [laughter] the

rest of the year.

>> That's ridiculous.

>> Uh but now I' like I know in the NFL if

you have a crazy game you're going to

get tested the next day. They're just

going to check you for what was going on

with you yesterday.

>> Yeah. Why would you play good?

Ridiculous. I don't think the NBA does

that specifically, but I don't know

honestly.

>> So, what are the rules in the NBA in

terms of uh marijuana now? I thought

that was part of the thing that they

negotiated in the contract to make sure

because a lot of players like to be high

when they play.

>> I think they might they might just have

just stopped testing for it as all

>> I wanted to mention names, but I'm

friends with some guys and they tell me

they can't play unless they're high.

[laughter]

They just That's the same thing with

pool players. I know a lot of pool

players. They like to get lit before

they get on the table.

>> Yeah, pool. Pool should you should be

lit playing pool.

>> Yeah, you feel things better.

>> Here we go. NBA can randomly drug test

each player up to four times during the

season and two times in the offseason

with additional tests allowed anytime

there is reasonable cause, but marijuana

is no longer part of the standard

testing panel. Yes, sir. Yeah. So, they

can smoke weed, which makes sense. Let

them It's not What are you doing? It's

not hurting anybody and they play better

with it. I think leave them alone.

That's what I think. Unless they're

doing unless they're [snorts] doing

meth. Unless they're doing you know what

I mean?

>> They also had [laughter] another big uh

betting scandal is kind of broken

recently in the last 24 hours there.

>> Oh no.

>> Where a player has been called out for

throwing at least four games.

[sighs]

>> And then where that's going to go from

here is kind of being speculated online.

>> I'll tell you where that goes. If people

find out, it goes to bullets. That's the

problem. The problem with someone

throwing a game is somebody bet on that

[ __ ] game. A lot of people bet on

that game.

>> Cases I've seen though are like the

overs. Like they had player props and

like he needed 4.5 rebounds and he has

four and he's just trying extremely

extremely extremely hard to get that

extra rebound, which is like wrong. Wait

a minute. It's not that bad.

>> That means he's playing well. And the

other one which was uh he was fixing a

spread at like in the last second like

he sprinted down the court to get an

extra basket with like 3 seconds on the

clock when they were down by 10 or seven

technically to beat the eight and a half

point spread.

>> Yeah, but so what he's just scoring you

>> how can you ever

>> it's just a it's when you watch

basketball enough you go like that

doesn't happen that often. Why would you

do that? You like look into it.

>> Yeah. Especially Yeah. You're used to

people throwing the ball and just

throwing it down there. Not you running

down.

>> I know, but if you can do it and score,

why wouldn't you do it? I don't even

understand why anybody would question

that.

>> You down by 10. It's 5 seconds to go.

The game you want that ball in the net.

[ __ ] you,

>> man.

>> No.

But why? Cuz that's not going to change.

Oh. Oh, we lost by eight. [laughter]

>> Well, it just means you're competitive

to the end. You never give up even

though you know you're losing. And no

starters on the floor at this time. You

down by 10, it's 5 seconds to go. No. No

starters on the floor.

>> Yeah, but how? But it's not like he's

missing on purpose. So, it's one thing

if the guy's like missing on purpose,

but if he's scoring on purpose, leave

him the [ __ ] alone.

>> All right. So, similar thing. World Cup

just happened like two, three nights ago

where uh they just got into the knockout

round, you know? So, the the big

tournament was every team plays three

games to figure out where you figure

where you end up to play the next part

of the tournament. 10 teams get

eliminated.

>> Uhhuh.

>> Uh third place teams for the first time

ever can make it through. And so there

was a I think it was Algeria and I

forget the other team, sorry. But if

they both tied, they both move through.

If one team wins and one team loses, one

team goes through and then the like with

four minutes to go in the game, they're

kind of just passing the ball around.

The score is tied and one team goes

ahead and scores. And it kind of starts

a fight on the field where you see the

other team yelling at the other team

like

>> [ __ ] you. Like I don't know exactly what

they're saying but like what like

>> and then with like two minutes to go the

other team sort of just stops playing

defense and kind of seems to like LET

THEM SCORE.

>> OH GOD.

>> It's like I don't Is that I don't know

if it's a big collusion or if they just

sort of like made a

>> How do they have mics on those guys?

[sighs]

>> It's such a great

>> They have to have mics on somebody. They

have strong mics now and they have

people that can lipre. They can pick up,

hey [ __ ] you're supposed

[laughter] to leave this a tie. If that

happens, like you can't play anymore,

right? Like what happens to those guys?

They have to get suspended for

>> that'd be the entire that'd be both

teams, the coaches. It'd be everybody. I

don't know.

>> I don't really know how it's going to

pan out, but it was very

>> What a conundrum.

>> Yeah.

>> How could you do that? Like I hate that.

[laughter]

This is what this is what I don't like

about sports betting. Not that because

that's about advancing, but about sports

betting is the even the consideration

that a person is playing a certain way

because they're worried about a spread

or because they've been paid off to not

score or they've been paid off to foul,

you know, like there's the problem with

these things is you could bet on

anything.

>> You can bet on anything now.

>> Anything.

Anything. So if you're crooked and what

has been like the most crooked aspect of

the [ __ ] human race over the past

like 100 years other than the legal

system, the most crooked aspect has been

sports betting. It's always crooked.

>> Sports and politics they damn near

>> they're all the same.

>> Yeah, they the same.

>> It's the same. It's money. It's anyone

anytime there's money involved and

decisions can be shifted, influence can

be used to make something happen. But it

seems like that with with most things

that people, you know, have some type

of, you know, hierarchy desire for, they

they

>> 100%

>> they going to put something in, you

know, like even with like awards and

gang, this is a who can promote the best

and who can

>> if you can take all the

>> people that vote to dinner and, you

know,

smoo them at dinner. It It's going to be

um a thing where who's going to beat you

when you got all the voters, right?

>> Or you have a situation where you have

people that work for your company that

can vote.

>> You saying who how how are you not going

to vote for the project that the company

put out,

>> right? [laughter]

>> Yeah. You know, we got 60 voters, you

know, so we at least got 60 votes.

>> I think you said it best when you said

the hierarchy. That's really what it is.

It's in anything that has any kind of a

hierarchy. Politics is the ultimate

example.

>> Politics is the ultimate ultimate

example.

>> But there's there's that hierarchy [ __ ]

in everything in the world. Everything.

It trips people up.

>> But with politics, it is a little more

detrimental than with sports. You know,

sports sports is, you know, you

gambling, people trying to win things.

But with politics, it's like

>> if you're not

somebody that's not qualified can be in

a position where, you know, they they

making decisions on on the masses of

people's lives.

>> Not just that, they can appoint judges,

>> which is

>> they can appoint crazy judges. Like

there's obviously judges like they have

disputes. Well, why do they have

disputes? because they're ideologically

captured on both sides. There's people

that are like, you know, like certain

right-wing judges, you throw some case

out there that's a right-wing case, what

abortion rights, whatever it is,

immigration, you know how they're going

to vote.

>> Yeah.

>> Same thing with leftwing people, like

hardcore left-wing people. You guarantee

trans women in sports, trans women or

women, let them play in sports. That

that was a recent Supreme Court order.

Three judges said that trans women

should be able to play in women's sport.

The rest of them said [ __ ] no. The other

six canceled it out luckily.

>> And you know those people are not taking

into account

>> the sport like it's a it's a difference.

If you uh was originally something and

now you playing in something else.

>> Your strength is different and and you

know you don't feel that until your

daughter get knocked out the ring where

she's supposed to be boxing somebody

that that's the same gender. Then now

she's her whole side of face broke from,

you know,

>> it's insane. It's insane. It's and it's

not cruel to not let that happen in

sports. That's what Title N is about in

the first place. Give women the

opportunity to play in in in an equal

time as men. That's that's a good thing.

Having men that think they're women play

with women is [ __ ] crazy.

>> Like what do we It doesn't mean you you

know you need to castles people out of

society. It doesn't mean ain't that you

live and let live. I agree. But get the

[ __ ] out of the women's room.

>> Yeah, you're not you're not

>> you have a dick.

>> If you uh

>> get the [ __ ] off the team, you're you're

running track at a literal a women's

Olympic level and you're 15. Why?

Because you have a dick. This is crazy.

You're not really a girl. This is nuts.

>> You know, that's the that's the world we

live in. And oh well, that's I'm not

even going to say that's the world we

live in. That's the world that's being

presented to us at this point. That

>> That's right.

>> You know, and it's you know, it's a lot

of things is like this, man. you. This

is why in comedy

I choose not to go the current the

current affair or the political route

>> cuz I don't have time to separate the

room. I'm too busy trying to do things

to bring the room together and that's

more of a righteous aim for me.

>> Well, you I said this before, so I'll

say it uh live publicly. what you've

done is very extraordinary because

you've made a giant following online

completely organically. It's very

inspiring because all you do is just do

your thing the best that you can and put

it out there and it just keeps growing.

It's amazing. It's very it's very cool.

It's very inspirational and uh it's you

should be proud of it because

>> what you've done, like I said, it's

totally organic. Like you don't have a

bunch of production companies pushing

you and trying to make you more popular

than you are. No, it's all just putting

it out there and getting this gigantic

following just from your work.

>> Just the work.

>> Appreciate it. And then, you know, even

with that, you still have

um some type of responsibility to not

see things the same as other people.

Like what? I just got all this flak

about

me talking about the how this business

of people inflating things has caused

depression in comics. You know that we

supposed to be a a happy craft, but now

it's this big push about if you're not

on social media, you're not on this,

you're not on that. A lot of these

comics are, you know, going through this

mental health thing where they always

sad about their numbers or, you know, or

this that [snorts] and the third. Like,

yo, man, it it is a it's a thing and

some people inflate things and everybody

wants to be on the same level. So

sometimes you you can't be or you can

but people look at it as a certain way

where when you proud of the steps that

you've taken and if I played in the

GLeague that's not the NBA.

>> So I wouldn't say that I was playing I

played in the league cuz I know what the

league means. I know you know I know

this says this the G-League but when I

present myself yo you know I play in the

league. people automatically think the

NBA, you know, it's not it's not no the

G-League is not and not knocking the

G-League, but that's not the first thing

that comes to my mind,

>> right?

>> You know, you know, it's just a

>> playing for the Washington Generals is

not the NBA.

>> Even though you played against the Globe

Trotters, they were great players,

[laughter] right?

>> But we we know how this game goes, but

people that's how people see things now.

>> Well, the numbers things is real. The

numbers thing is is a real problem with

people because it gives you like a

quantifiable measure of whether or not

you're doing well. And if you already

have anxiety, which a lot of comedians

have, you're already like socially

awkward, which a lot of comedians are,

you don't feel accepted, which how a lot

of comedians feel. And then you look at

those numbers, you're like 2400. I only

have 2400 followers. I've been doing

comedy for seven years. Why do I only

have 2400 follow? And then you go to

someone's page that you never even heard

of. They have 1.2 million. You're like,

"What the fuck?"

>> And and so this is about being grateful

in the position that you you're in. I

remember when they would people was

pushing me, oh, you need to get on the

internet. You need to be on social media

to be okay.

But I would see those people that had

all those followers. And that same year,

the year before that, I did a half hour

special with Comedy Central. Then year

um 2018 I did a full hour special with

Comedy Central. I had um 500 followers

on Instagram. [laughter]

I had 300 followers 300 subscribers on

YouTube on a page that I didn't own. I

had to fight to get this page. I had

less people on Facebook,

but I was efficient in what I was doing.

So the numbers didn't they didn't pick

me because I had these numbers. They

they picked me because I came and I did

what I did. And then they Oh, he's he's

great. So then we we started going, you

know, a route to to build it up, but we

were already getting things prior to the

numbers,

>> right? What what year is this again?

>> This is 17 and 18.

>> Okay. So the difference is that in 17

and 18 people were just starting to be

aware of the power of social media and

then they were really concentrating on

different comics that had a large social

media following. You know I think that

was like right when it first started

happening.

>> Dane Cook had blew up before that.

>> That was a Yeah, that was a MySpace

thing.

>> That was a MySpace thing. Internet

another internet thing.

>> That's true. That's true. That was

different. But the the difference is

like he had gotten so huge just from

that that he was already doing like

arenas.

>> Yeah.

>> And when they So he was already huge and

then they just went with him like but

but he was like super popular. Now it's

like super popular on social media is

one of the most important things.

>> So now now moving up to this cuz I I

have a strong ar with this. So I have um

million followers here, million

followers there, all these specials. I

still didn't get invited to the BET

Awards. I still didn't get I still don't

get invited to a bunch of things. I

still get looked over for things even

though I have numbers and success, but I

don't worry about it. I'm just in my I'm

not watching to judge myself against

what somebody else is doing. It's guys

who have less everything, but they're in

this they're in this realm where they

they had every they at everything. I I

see guys is at everything with no um

with no specials and no proven thing.

They just around and I'm like, okay. But

it's I'm not j I think the point that

I'm not judging myself up against what

somebody is doing socially,

>> but that's also easier when you're

successful and you're successful. You're

very successful. So the difference is

like when you sell out these shows and

you put out these specials, like I've

seen your specials have millions of

views. So it's like obviously you have a

following. If you didn't and you were

doing the same thing, then it would be a

problem. But then also that would it's

like comedy in a lot of ways, not

always, but in a lot of ways is a

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>> But I also have no desire

to inflate things and compare myself to

somebody or make myself seem like I'm

more than what it is. Like guys, hey

man, I got I'm at this room. I got 50

tickets sold. Okay. How much the room

seat? Oh, the room seat 300. Okay, cool.

You had 50 people more than you had than

if you didn't play the room. You know

what I'm saying? Because who knows you

in Utah? You're bu it's it's a it's a

building thing. Like I got all of this

all of this going on.

>> But if I go to Utah,

>> I'm in a comedy club. [laughter]

>> It doesn't matter what happened the

night before. I was just in an arena.

But in Utah, it's like it takes me back

to um on trading places. You know what

I'm saying? He said, "Hey man, this is"

He gave he gives all this elaborate what

this watch is. And that man said, "This

is what this causes St. Louis."

[laughter]

Like I don't care about you ping the

watch and saying, "So I don't have

>> that. And I'm not if I'm It's like you

you you own the club." Okay. It's guys

that can come to your club and sell your

club out. And then it's guys that come

to the club and you pay for the room.

Okay? Then there's guys like when you in

the theater, some you can scale a

theater down. Some theaters hold 4,600

people, but you can scale it down to

2,000, but then the I'm not going to say

if the room holds 4,600,

I put 2,000 tickets on sale. I didn't

sell out the the um the theater. I sold

what I put on sale. You know what I'm

saying? Because I'm not to the point

where I can get the 4600 yet. If I could

sell the room out, then I I I need to

relish the real accomplishment versus

the the lesser accomplishment

>> inflating. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And that's and because I don't

have this thing where I'm in competition

with what happened before me, you know,

so

>> with other people

>> if so I'm in San Antonio, we at um we at

the the theater

>> and cuz people can make you feel bad

about anything if you if you a person

that feels bad. just think

um Minnesota

it's it's all these people that's on the

team that that play for the Boston

Celtics that are millionaires. They

already millionaire. They play in the

league. Boston traded

seven people to Minnesota for one

person.

Kevin Garnett,

they got rid of seven human beings for

one person. [laughter]

So it's like if I was a person that felt

bad about my career, this was would make

me feel bad like they they like the

first person that they they okay I'm

going to trade this person for that

person. They're like no. Well, I'm going

to give you two more people. They're

like no. And then I'm going to give you

four more people. Okay. And and a and a

lottery pick. Okay. I I'mma feel

horrible. They traded me for seven

people. Y'all didn't even want me

[laughter]

realistically. So Boston went they got

Kevin Garnett I mean um what's it yeah

Kevin Garnett and seven other

millionaires they got all this money

that's got all this they went to

Minnesota you know what I'm saying? So

if somebody wanted to make you feel bad

about something you know they they could

if that's how you are. So I'm at I'm in

San Antonio. The line is around the

block. The place is sold out. It's the

same sellout no matter who comes as that

lady said to my face tomorrow. You

should have saw it when Matt Refe came.

[laughter]

I WAS LIKE IN MY MIND I WAS LIKE AND I

ASKED I SAID was it a different theater?

She said no same theater. So when Matt

Refe came he sold it out. I sold out two

nights I mean two days in the same night

but her thing was you should have saw

when Matt Refe came. I was like okay.

She probably wanted you to feel bad.

[laughter] I

>> like, but I'm not. Good for you.

>> Good for you. But good for you. But the

thing is, a lot of people would. That's

that's what it is. A lot of people are

in competition with other people. I

think you should be inspired by other

people.

>> You know, if you want to compete in that

way, be inspired. But the the moment you

turn it into a negative. It's like, are

you you're you're a fool. You're being a

fool.

>> Competition

is power. It's fuel. If you see someone

doing well, so you see someone set and

you like it,

>> that's fuel that makes you want to go

work, makes you want to get some [ __ ]

done. It makes you it gives you energy.

>> It may

>> or it could [ __ ] you if you're a

dummy. If you're a dummy and you get

angry and you get bitter and then you

just put all this negativity on the

person who's doing better than you,

which a lot of people do, [snorts]

>> that's that's that's a weird that's a

weird dynamics in this business when you

know that it's going to be people do no

matter what you're doing, it's going to

be somebody doing better than you. When

I was in comedy clubs,

I remember being there and they were

papering the room.

Okay, I wasn't saying I was selling out.

They was papering the room. I know out

of all the is 300 people in there. 240

of these people came because it was it

was free. They sent out their email

blast. [laughter]

But then what I looked at was they

wanted to come.

>> Yeah, they wanted to come. They're

probably comedy fans, which is why they

were on the email list in the first

place.

>> And then those people, you give them a

great show, they'll come back.

>> Then the next time I came, they didn't

pay for the room. They sold it. They

sold the tickets.

>> That's That's how it used to be, man.

That was the old days before social

media. You would build a market. So you

would just show up at Philadelphia once

a year. Show up, do your homework, like

make sure you got a tight set, you've

been practicing, you're ready to rock,

[ __ ] these people up, and then leave.

And then they're like, "Can't wait till

you guys are back again." And then next

time you come back, you you know, all

right, I I built an audience now. I got

I can't disappoint these people. I got

to get fired up. And that's what it used

to be. It used to be a totally organic

thing across the whole country.

>> Is it a Is it a thing? Is it a

difference in your opinion between me

bringing my audience

to a venue from whatever other thing

that I do versus people coming that

don't know anything about me and me

winning that person over versus the

person.

>> Yeah, it's a different thing. You know,

people are coming to see you

specifically, you've already won them

over. That's a different thing. or they

want to take a chance on you. That's a

different thing because they've heard

about you. But when you know that that's

a completely different thing cuz that's

your you have an audience now. You have

fans. When you are just performing at a

club and it's a papered room, you have

an opportunity. You have an opportunity

to turn these people into fans. You have

an opportunity to give these people a

great night and have a good time. And

also, you're doing your [ __ ] thing,

which is the most important thing of

all. Everybody is resultsoriented. I try

to be processoriented when I with with

everything I do, I'm processoriented. I

think about there's there's a goal that

you got to reach, but how do you get to

that goal? The way the way you get there

is not thinking about the goal. The way

you get there is thinking about what

you're doing. What's the process? The

process is writing bits, performing

them, tweaking them, getting them tight,

knowing, reviewing tapes, going over

your material, going over your writing,

talking with friends, and then every day

it gets a little bigger. Every day it

gets a little better. Every day that

knife gets a little sharper. That's the

process. That that's the process that

leads you to become whoever whoever you

are.

>> And then you add other little pieces in

that process. I remember I um I was

talking to Bobby Lee and me and Bobby

Lee talking. I said, "Bobby, you don't

realize where you met me at." And he's

like, "Well, is this a good this going

to be a good story or is this a bad

story?" [laughter]

>> Bob's got a lot of bad stories.

>> I said, "You you you met me at um at the

Houston Improv and they called me and

asked me did I want to host a room that

I already sell out." You know what I'm

saying? They asked me did I want to

host. I said, "Cool." So, I came and I

hosted and I was un not trying to, but I

was destroying his feature. I'm just

hosting. And

>> we should not be hosting, especially at

the Houston Improv.

>> But my thing was, this was years. This

was years ago. But I say, "Bobby, you

didn't understand when the when I was

hosting at the Houston Improv, I was

doing something that most people didn't

understand what I why I was even doing

it." Well, like why? And they would see

like why would you be hosting?

>> I said because I'm not going to be in

front of Bobby Lee's audience,

>> but it's people that live in Houston

that his audience that I have no I that

have no idea who I am.

>> I said, Bobby, but before you,

>> I say I was coming to the Houston Improv

hosting for multiple people and I was

just winning over fans that would never

had seen me if they wasn't coming to see

you. They wouldn't be coming to my show.

I said, "So before that it was you were

last, Bobby. It was you and the week

prior to that it was Monster Jabbr and

the week prior to that was um what's my

girl? Um

um Angela Johnson." Angela Johnson. And

before that it was um some random white

guy. I said, [laughter]

"I just came and I want to do I'm a

comic." So me hosting was no big deal. I

wasn't working. So I said, "Well, let me

just come host it. That's what they want

me to do." So I gained fans from four

different audiences in a month. So when

I came back, they was like, "Yo, I saw

you with Ma Jabbr." And so I came back I

came back to see you when you when you

put your show up. I'm like, "Cool." So

my process that was a part of my

process. I it didn't matter who I hosted

for. And then I was like, "Okay, cool."

you know, let let me let me go like with

when I hosted for um Bill Burr, Bill

Burr was like, "This is crazy." We had

we in Austin at the Paramount is and

like and I said I said the worst thing

about this was that at the time I was

wearing all black and I went to the show

and I when I walked on stage the first

thing I said is, "Hey, I do not work

here. [laughter]

said, "Don't like eight people asked me

where's the bathroom?" I DON'T KNOW. I

DON'T WANT BUT IT WAS LIKE I look like a

usher like [laughter]

like yo I was like yo this sucks, you

know? But but it was a cool

>> That's hilarious.

>> That's a smart approach. I mean that's a

great way to build especially if you're

already headlining.

>> Yeah. I think I think that that thing

about concentrating on the process

people should try to apply that to

everything you know. Um my friend John

Dudley who taught me uh archery, he's a

big believer in that being process

oriented like that's how you get better

at archery and he used to compete all

over the world, travel, compete in

archery tournaments. I think that's the

I think that applies to everything. I

think that applies to music. I think

that applies to everything. The mo I

think was one of the things that trips

people up about social media. A lot of

these young guys in particular, young

people in particular, is that they are

thinking about other people and they are

comparing themselves to other people and

they are looking at those numbers and

you're you're looking you're spending

all of your energy if you have an

allotted 100 units of energy in a day.

You're spending a a disproportionate

amount on things that don't empower you

and actually kind of [ __ ] your head up.

Not good for you at all. instead of

saying, "Wow, I am chasing the [ __ ]

dream, right? I am out here being a

professional comedian and I have a real

chance to develop a real following. If I

put my time in, I put my effort, I

really care, and I really work hard, I

could sell out of theater one day.

That's possible." Like, that's a goal.

It should be a goal, just like getting

your PhD in chemistry or whatever the

[ __ ] it is your goal is. But the process

is what's important. The process is like

appreciating what you're doing, why

you're doing it, and just bearing down

and doing your best. That's it. That's

it. And and other people, look at them

as inspiration. Other people that are

kicking ass, you know, don't go don't

get become a hater. That [ __ ] is so bad

for you. I know so many dudes who have

like hater tendencies and they never

excel. Never. It's the the counter

thinking of a an an excellent person is

a hater. someone who's always trying to

diminish people and downplay people and

look at someone in the least charitable

way, in the worst possible way, does

somehow or another trying to make

themselves feel better, but it doesn't

work.

>> It does the opposite of work. It robs

you. It robs you of your self-esteem. It

robs you of your self-respect. You're

spending so much time thinking about

this other dude. Like, why?

>> It's a lot of It's a lot of energy. And

my dad, this one, this is one story that

I did not put in the special that I

should have. And my dad had all these

these thoughts and he was I I literally

say he was a crazy man. But when you

think about the things that he would say

made sense my dad and why would you be

telling me this at the age that but he

just gave them I I think I was like 11

and my dad out of nowhere is you know

something

people spend the same time and money on

being fake when they can put put that

same time and money into being real.

>> Yeah. I and I'm like I didn't know I

didn't understand what that meant. But

as I got older,

if you spend any money or time faking

something,

>> you could probably spend that money and

time being real about something.

>> Yeah. You know, why go buy a fake

necklace

to pret like you rich when you can go

buy a real necklace, you know what I'm

saying? At some point, you know what I'm

saying? And you know, be actually be

rich, you know, if that's what if you

keep comparing it to necklaces. But I

just didn't understand it at the time.

But then as I got older, I understood

like why put this why put this time in

to pretending when you can put that same

energy and then become real at what you

do. It makes no sense.

>> My uncle Vinnie when I was six or seven

years old, I was staying at his at his

house with my cousins and uh we were um

we were supposed to brush our teeth and

I didn't like following rules period and

so I wouldn't brush my teeth. Instead, I

would take toothpaste and smoosh it

around on my teeth and so that when they

smell my breath, they would smell

toothpaste. And my uncle explained to

me, he goes, he goes, "Uh, I understand

why you're doing it." I go, he goes,

"But the amount of time that you're

spending pretending to brush your teeth.

You could have just brushed your teeth."

And I thought about that when I was six.

I was like, damn. I was just a little

kid. So, but I was like, ah, he's right.

>> Why am I faking brushing my [laughter]

teeth?

I feel like 6 years old. I was like, I

feel like such my uncle Vinnie was like

super patient, super calm out of all my

family members. He was the the strangest

out of all these wild crazy Italian

people. Like he was he was an artist and

he was like ve very softspoken and never

got angry about anything. He would

always speak really rationally. I was

like, God, he's so smart. He's just so

peaceful. He just but he the way he laid

it out when I he didn't say hey I know

you're not brushing your teeth you

little [ __ ] was wasn't that it was the

time you're spending pretending to brush

your teeth you could have just brushed

your teeth

>> just brush

>> but it was like sometimes adults will

say something to you like that when

you're six and it just gets in your head

you're like whoa okay that just saved me

a whole lot of time [laughter]

like I just brush them

>> just brush your [ __ ] teeth

>> stop pretending stop faking it doesn't

help anything. It's does the opposite.

>> Does the opposite. And you know, people

the truth sometimes is is hurtful to

people.

>> The truth doesn't feel good. You know,

to a lot of people, unfortunately. But,

you know, you have to look at it. You

have to have perspective.

>> But that's the ultimate hate right

there. That's the ultimate hate is for

me to give you a falsehood instead of

tell you the truth. Right.

>> That's the ultimate It's the ultimate

hate. Like

>> especially if like you're making up a

background for yourself. [snorts] You're

making up a story about your life that's

not true. You're you're pretending

you're somewhere in life that you're

not, you know?

>> Yo, man. Just do the thing. Just do the

thing.

>> Yeah. But it's hard for people. It's

hard for people. And then there's a lot

of people that think you just fake it

until you make it. And then you hear

stories of this guy. I had $500 in my

bank account and but I told them I got

this I got that loan and next thing you

know my business is making all this

money and you go wow he faked it until

he and it worked and you think it's

going to work but it doesn't work most

of the time

>> so few and far between then then they

never tell you that that guy goes to

jail later for fraud

>> yes 100% [laughter]

100%

the feds busted my house three years

later and took everything like okay

>> exactly like when they arrested Carl

Spencia recently

for like all his counts of tax fraud. I

was like, "Okay,

I don't want that to happen to him." But

there it is,

right? I mean, that's what it is.

>> I'm not laughing at Carlos. I'm just

laughing at the [laughter] fact that you

like, "Yeah." Yeah. When they busted

>> I mean, I didn't I wasn't It didn't

bring me any joy to see that. I don't

like anybody getting arrested for taxes.

I think I think taxes until they have an

accurate account of where the [ __ ]

money goes and until you completely

eliminate all fraud and waste. What the

[ __ ] are you doing locking people up for

not paying taxes? Like you guys should

get locked up for not doing a good job

with our money. So, what you think about

all the new purchases and redoing the

White House and all this with tax

dollars?

>> Did they do it with tax dollars? Like,

how much money did they spend in tax

dollars to do the ballroom?

>> What's that?

>> Let's find out.

>> What's that? Um,

>> they need a ballroom, though. That's how

that guy snuck in with a gun cuz they

tried to do that White House

correspondence dinner at a hotel. That

dude who uh got arrested a few months

back.

>> What What's this this this resolution?

the pool something full of algae right

now that we spit all

>> Yeah, I don't know about that. That's

something about making the pool look

nice. That that whatever that is

reflecting pool.

>> Yeah, the reflect.

>> Reports indicate the new White House

East Wing Ballroom is projected to cost

about 600 million with roughly half just

over 300 million coming from taxpayer

funded government accounts despite

earlier promises that it would be

taxpayer free. 300 million sounds like a

lot until you find out how much money

they spend on other things. When you

find out how just how much fraud it is

in NOS's, how much fraud is in

nonprofits, how much fraud is in insider

trading and propping up companies so

that they can get better deals. Well,

the the whole thing is fraud. The the

thing is if you spending I understand

how much money goes and other things but

you if you spending any money that that

that's my money that I don't know that

that I need it or that's not really the

aim the goal

>> you should be able to vote on it.

>> You should be able to vote on it. But

>> you should be able to vote on where all

your tax money goes.

>> How much money is how much tax money is

being spilled on getting smart people in

places? Getting smart making smart

children.

>> That's the big one. That's the That's

the thing.

>> The big one is if you look at our

country as a community, and that's what

we're supposed to be doing. We're

supposed to be the United States of

America. All that [ __ ] aside, that

was the one good thing that happened

about 9/11. When 9/11 happened, after

that, we were all united. It was crazy.

>> It was crazy. We realized like we are

actually on a team. So, if we're on a

team, why do we have these deeply

impoverished neighborhoods for decades

and decades that are riddled with crime

and drug abuse? Why you is it impossible

to fix? That's crazy. That's not true.

It's just no one's tried to fix it. No

one's done any effort to fix it. And if

you did fix it, you want to make America

great. Here's the best way. Less losers.

And how do you get less losers? More

opportunities for people. More

opportunities, more support, more

education, more everything that you need

if it was your neighborhood.

>> And if we did that, we we'd have to

switch the way our system runs. But that

could be done, man.

>> That's the thing.

>> You don't have to have losers. Not that

many losers.

>> That's the thing about make America

great, right?

>> If you trying to make anything great,

don't you need intelligent people to do

that?

>> Of course, that's the number one thing.

So when we have all these divisive

people that that's on a lower vibration,

how is that making the the the country

the country great if we're putting

people in position that don't have the

experience or the education in those in

those things and then we just saying a

bunch of divisive things, you know.

Yeah. You know, it it's it was if if I'm

watching the the extravaganza that

happened at the White House, what was

the thing? Michelle Obama is a man.

Like, how did that help? How did that

help?

>> That guy says that every time he

>> But what is the what is the the thing?

First of all, it's it's really divisive

because you know that a large portion of

the country is going to take this has

going to have a problem with this. You

know, clearly she's not a man. You know

what I'm saying? But it makes no sense

like to I've never seen this many people

say so many damaging things about a past

president. It's like he's still on the

forefront. And it's not like we have a

president that's doing the greatest job

for this this country, you know, which

is which is weird a weird thing to me.

And people going to ask is that what's

the belief? That's the that's the real

belief of people. That's the real thing.

>> Yeah. Well, listen. There's some crazy

people that believe the world is flat.

There's a lot of dumb beliefs. There's

probably people that do believe Michelle

Obama is a man. What that guy does, he's

like a pro wrestler. Like, he's got a

character called The Incredible Hulk.

It's very corny in a lot of ways.

Sometimes it's, you know, cringy. But

the point is he gets a lot of attention.

A lot of attention because of all this.

That's what he's doing. So what he's

trying to do is maximize the amount of

attention that he can get for a very

short window of career. This is not how

he really feels, how he really thinks.

When you talk to him in real life, he's

very reasonable. This is an act that he

does, like a pro wrestling act. But what

he can do is fight. He's really good.

And that's what's so confusing about it

all. So, you got this guy who's created

like this fake persona where he puts on

an American flag bandana, comes out the

Hulk Hogan music, does all his

interviews with sunglasses on, has a

bunch of crazy silly rhymes, and says

ridiculous [ __ ] just trying to get

attention. The most amount of attention.

It's It is very divisive, don't get me

wrong, but that's by design.

>> So, he's Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage in

the same in the same

>> an actual fighter and a really [ __ ]

good one, man. He just knocked out

Derrick Lewis at the White House.

Derrick Lewis has the most knockouts in

the history of the sport.

>> Don't don't don't do that. Don't do

that, Joe. Don't do what? Let's just

let's don't don't don't say that so

excited cuz Dererick Lewis go to the

same gym um Main Street Boxing Gym in

Houston. I'm very close to that.

>> Dude, I love Derrick.

>> I don't like the fact that Derrick Lewis

lost that fight.

>> I think Derek Derek [laughter]

of 10 years ago would have been a real

[ __ ] problem for that dude cuz

Dererick of 10 years ago, you couldn't

hold him down. He would just get up. He

there's a whole compilation of people

trying to hold Derrick Lewis down. He

just gets a hand on you and just whoop

you. His grip. They did that UFC grip

thing where they test the grip.

Everybody's like 140. The strong ones

are like 160 19. Derek just squeezed it

casual 218.

>> And they were like, "What the fuck?"

>> So you see how problematic this was for

me. You already beat

>> my friend. Then you turn around and say

>> he beat a 40year-old Derrick Lewis.

>> A 40-y old Der Lewis. then turn around

and say Michelle Obama's a man. I was

like, "Okay, you know something.

>> I know what you're saying.

>> I'm pissed."

>> Listen, you're [laughter] right. Listen,

you're right. But I'm telling you, if

you met that dude in real life, you

would get it. He's just a dude. He's

just a guy who is a competitive

wrestler, played in the NFL, and he's

like, I got to do something to figure

out how to get people to pay attention

to me because it can't just be fighting.

It's not enough. If you look at Conor

McGregor, you look at Sugashan Ali, you

look at these guys that have these

flamboyant personalities, these big

personalities, they get Cashes Clay is

the original example. They get an

immense amount of attention and that

translates into much more money and much

more opportunities. There's no [ __ ]

way that guy would have gotten that

fight at the White House if he couldn't

fight because the fight that he had

before that he fought Curtis Blades who

was a top 10 UFC heavyweight huge

wrestler and they went to war, dude. I

mean, he put it on him for three [ __ ]

rounds. Like Curtis just has an insane

heart and survived it. But that guy can

[ __ ] fight. But just that alone is

not enough.

>> You got to get attention. I don't agree

with it. I don't I wouldn't do it. It's

not my thing. I don't like it.

But I get it and it's smart.

>> With Muhammad Ali though,

>> he was very respectful in his in his in

his act, you know, to get attention, you

know, just like

>> No, he wasn't.

>> I mean, he wasn't with other people, but

he would show up at [ __ ] Sunny

Liston's house and scream about him on

his [ __ ] front lawn at 4 in the

morning. He did wild crazy [ __ ] He he

did he did a lot of W. He was just all

about getting your heart rate up,

getting your emotions in there. He was

so [ __ ] smart. He knew before

everybody that you could just get

somebody into a frenzy and they wouldn't

be able to sleep. Their whole life

revolved around fighting you and I can't

let this guy beat me. And the fear of

losing, it's going to keep you weak.

It's going to keep you. You're not going

to be able to eat as much food. You're

going to feel nervous.

>> But you see what happened when somebody

called him Cashes Clay.

>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. [laughter]

>> See

>> who was that? Who what fighter was that?

He kept punishing him saying my name.

Your mama named Clay. I'm call. But that

that didn't work out for him. Well, he

beat the

>> he beat the piss out of him and he

carried him. He carried him while he was

beating his ass.

>> Dude, he was uh a special special guy.

It's, you know, I'm not comparing him in

terms of his cultural significance to

Josh Hokit because, you know, he was uh

my parents, my mother and my stepfather

were hippies. They never watched

fighting. But when he had a rematch with

Leon Spanx, that's how much of a

cultural figure he was. They wanted him

to beat Leon Sp.

>> Oh my god, he's got to win. He's got to

win. Hippies sitting in front of the

[ __ ] TV in like 1970, whatever it

was. You know how crazy it is. They have

Italian hippies. [laughter]

>> Like cuz I heard it was like my family.

He was like, I thought they was Italian.

Italian. [laughter]

Well, they were hippies, but you know,

my grandmother went to jail for running

numbers for the mob.

>> So, it's like there was a lot of uh

>> Okay.

>> There was a lot of [laughter]

>> real Italian.

Yeah. Grandma went away for a little

bit. [laughter]

>> She wouldn't rat them out, so she did

some time.

>> I was at a I was at a show one time and

I said, "Um,

where all the Africans at in in here?"

And

this Italian dude, he's from Sicily. He

raised his hand.

And I said, and the people like, "Why is

he raising him?" I'm like, "He knows."

[laughter]

Like, "He knows.

>> He knows."

>> So, he was like,

>> "Yeah, there really good reason why

Sicilians have darker hair, curly hair,

darker skin."

>> He was like, "Yeah, you know what I'm

saying?" And that's all I said was he

knows. and and and [laughter]

people who got it, they was like

>> okay like and at that point it's like

when people don't know that that you

have some sort of level of intelligence

like some information

>> they like oh okay like yeah it's a it's

a big but that's that's funny though um

Italian hippies but then my my

grandmother also

>> well you there was a lot of hippies back

then man and I think u the original idea

behind it was great and I was just

watching this thing today about the CIA

A and LSD and what they did. It was

really funny, man. It was a um

>> that video.

>> Yeah. Animal. Isn't it dope?

[clears throat] See if you can find it.

Put it up cuz it's kind of cool.

>> There's conveniently an MK Ultra hearing

going on right now in the

>> Oh,

>> how convenient.

>> Listen, bro. That they I got it right

here, Jamie. I'll send it to you. Um

they 100% are still doing that. No

ifands or buts. If you think they did

that in the 60s, and they 100% did. if

they're doing mind control experiments

on people and they're influencing

people's opinions and half of the reason

why people are at odds with each other

all day long on online is probably

government intervention at one point or

some government's intervention

>> this is

>> if not ours Russia and China and

>> this is wild that

>> the CIA created the hippie movement and

your mom's favorite band probably helped

them in the 1950s the CIA bought up the

world's supply of LSD they brought it to

the pharmaceutical company Eli Liy who

reverse engineered it, giving them an

unlimited supply and a complete [music]

monopoly. Then the testing started. One

early volunteer for these tests was Ken

Kei. Kei wrote a book inspired by this

experience which became a bestseller.

Then Kissi went on to host events which

he called acid tests. And he wasn't

charging anyone. He just wanted people

to show up and do acid. For these

events, he hired an unknown house band

called the Grateful Dead. These events

became wildly popular and with them rose

the popularity of the band. So, the

Grateful Dead begins touring, and Casey

follows them around in a bus from show

to show. And everywhere he went, he

brought a vat full of Kool-Aid laced

with LSD. This guy had a seemingly

endless supply, exporting the hippie

culture all around the US. Meanwhile,

the CIA is flooding college campuses

with LSD under the guise of research,

and the Grateful Dead was just one of

many bands in [music] this movement. At

the same time, in Laurel Canyon came a

wave of musicians with something in

common. [music] They were all children

of high-ranking military officials. the

biggest names in music. Jim Morrison of

the Doors was the son of an admiral.

Frank Zappa's father was a chemical

warfare specialist. Even Crosby, Stills,

and Nash. Yeah, all three of them. And

all of these bands as well. The theory

is the CIA orchestrated the hippie

movement to steer a very real anti-war

movement into something a little easier

to combat. Descent without Teeth. The

hippie slogan was literally

>> turn on,

tune in, and drop out. In other words,

do acid and remove yourself from

society. And a lot of them did drop out

of society to go live in communes in the

woods. This intersection between hippie

culture and the CIA could all be a great

big coincidence. Maybe military brats

naturally want to rebel. And maybe the

CIA was giving away acid because they're

chill like that. Maybe the CIA created

the hippie movement and your mom's

favorite band probably helped them.

>> Yeah.

>> Ain't that wild?

>> That's crazy.

>> That's wild. They also had a big

influence on gangster rap. Big influence

on promoting gangster rap for sure. 100%

proven.

>> 100%

>> 100%. Yeah.

>> You rather push

>> they wanted to fill prisons.

>> You want you want to push that over

anything else, you know, cuz we can look

at how rap music changed and when it

changed,

>> you know, 1992.

>> Yeah.

>> After 1992, they was like, "No more

positive rap."

>> Well, it was whenever Straight Out of

Compton came out cuz I was in Boston at

the time. I would remember to the day it

happened.

>> But Straight Out of Compton wasn't a

drug field induced. It was, if you look

at some of the song, you look at a lot

of the songs that was on that album, it

was rebellious songs against the system,

you know,

>> [ __ ] the police.

>> And then 1992, man, when they decided,

yo, we don't want no more day soul. We

don't want no more tribe conquest. We

don't want no you get them leather

medallions off your [laughter]

it's like yo we we need we need like yo

babe what like self-destruction and um

west coast west coast all star they was

like what they coming together hell no

you know we need this to be divisive we

need them to separate and that's crazy

that that the the biggest times that

that I've experienced this country being

together was the Olympics when the dream

team came, 911 and co.

That's the biggest time that we the

three biggest times I've ever even seen

us together.

>> Yeah. Because we need something. We need

something that's real and we need some

sort of an event that makes us realize

first of all the fragility of life.

That's important. And we have to realize

that we're all supposed to be a part of

a team.

>> And and and we you can't play on a team

if your teammates don't think that you

that you valuable.

>> Not only that, you can't play on a team

if your teammates are poisoning you. If

your teammates are allowing you to eat

rotten food so that you can't play and

maybe giving you inferior gear on

purpose and maybe keeping you in a place

where you can't get sleep so that you're

not going to evolve, you're not going to

like you're always going to be tired.

You're going to be fatigued. So, you're

never going to get better at whatever

the [ __ ] it is you're doing. You're

never going to advance in life. You're

going to be tired. You're going to be on

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This is how I see

>> that's not a good team.

>> This is how I see with parenting.

It's hard to parent if your your number

one goal is survival,

>> right?

>> You know what I'm saying? It's it's hard

to parent, right?

>> You know, you you got to parent from a

comfortable space. You can't parent from

nervous chickens really don't lay eggs.

That's true. So the thing is

you if like the way I parent now versus

how my mom my mom was strictly survival.

So my thing is survival first.

>> You know what I'm saying? Then the rest

of it, you know, I don't remember going

to um on vacation with my parents, you

know? Like vacation?

what [laughter]

your mom working two jobs and going to

school trying to better she's just

taking care of you right

>> so I'm not in the position my kids go on

vacation you know it's different you

know so I I see things from both sides

all the time because I'm and which makes

me grateful I'm grateful that I can do

the things I can do with my family you

know what I'm saying versus parenting

from a place of frustration

>> you know, but I understand

this this this

frustration thing, you know, I'm trying

to take care of you and you know, and

then sometime I look at my kids like,

you know, something, you have it really

easy because if I wouldn't have washed

them dishes, my mom would have destroyed

me

[laughter]

saying because her mindset is, "Hey, I'm

trying to take care of y'all. Y'all got

to help in this." You know, with me like

we have a housekeeper, you know what I'm

saying? [laughter]

Like the housekeeper come in four days

out the week, you know, and now I'm

like, so you just going to throw that

stuff on the floor and you making it

hard for the housekeeper? You know, the

reason why she's here four days a week

is so to make your life easier, but you

you're adding on to

>> by being lazy.

>> By being lazy like like I don't

>> there's a balancing act, right? You want

to protect your children, but you don't

want them to develop

soft. You want them to be able to take

care of their own problems, and you want

them to be able to understand the

consequences of their actions. So,

there's this like fine line of like

encouragement

and punishment and like explaining to

them how your life was different and you

have to appreciate this life. This is

very unusual. you're super fortunate.

But I think ultimately what they learn

from is how you behave. That's a giant

part of being a parent that people I

don't think are totally aware of until

you start doing it. That they understand

you. Whatever the [ __ ] you say is one

thing. That's great.

>> What you do is what they really see. If

you're a lazy [ __ ] who's always making

excuses, your kids are going to not have

respect for you. They're going to know

like real early on you're kind of full

of [ __ ]

>> This is the craziest thing though. You

know how hard it is to put somebody on

punishment and then say, "Hey

Pat, we going to Cabo." [laughter]

HE'S LIKE, "AM I ON PUNISHMENT OR WE

GOING TO CABO?"

>> GET YOUR iPad for 16 hours. [laughter]

>> Yo, when we get to Cabo, you stay in

your room and overlook the ocean.

[laughter]

>> Think and think about your consequences

as you order room service.

You know, [laughter] they're drinking

Coca-Cola, eating French fries,

>> lamb chops coming to the room. He's

like, "Yo, you on punishment, dude.

So I can't so I can't have oysters."

Like [laughter]

>> hear the birds chirping.

>> You look looking at the waves, you know,

like it's it's it's rough. And it's a

being it's a it's a certain part of

success that you almost can't

punish because it's like I'm not staying

at home [laughter] because you on

punishment. See my mom would she ah it's

just different you know

>> it's different.

>> My mom would go in her room and turn on

Knand in a dynasty and I'm in my room

with no TV cuz it was only one TV.

There's a TV in every room. You know

what I'm saying? I mean, oh, the

punishment was come in here and watch

Falcon Crest with me. [laughter]

Why? I don't want to watch no Falcon

Crest. And then you start watching

Falcon Crest and now you love it. You

like, so when when is it coming on

again? [laughter] You know,

>> you get addicted.

>> That's why I like MASH. You know what

I'm saying? I would be in I'll be in

trouble and you watching Mash and

Bonanza, then all of a sudden you love

Mash. I cried when Mash went off.

>> [laughter]

>> It's like that. Do

>> you remember the dude who dressed up

like a girl in MASH? Jamie Far.

>> Yeah.

>> He was my neighbor.

>> I was your neighbor?

>> Yeah.

>> Wow.

>> Back in California. He lived right next

door, two houses down.

>> Wow. Clinger.

>> It used to be just me and him and then

another guy built a house in between us.

>> Uh he was cool. Very friendly guy.

>> Played a played a charact played a good

character.

>> That was a good show.

>> Yeah, Mash was a very good show, you

know. And I I I said this the other day

to a friend of mine. I said like I

listen I used to ride and take my kids

to school and listen to morning shows,

you know, really Tom Joiner, you know,

um listen to Tom Joiner. And this is

something I can listen to with my kids.

Now there's there's no morning shows

that I can listen to with my children

without them putting in a different

element that I'm I don't want my kids to

be a part of. You know that's a weird

thing that they cursing on radio and

doing all this other stuff.

>> But they can't curse on radio still.

>> Oh

>> yes they can.

>> Can they? They changed it.

>> They they'll drop a b word in a minute.

>> Oh a b word.

>> Yeah.

>> But that's it. You can't you can't use

you can't say [ __ ]

>> No. But but the rest of it you know my

you know you got daughters. You in the

car.

>> Right. Right. Right. And you're hearing

some [ __ ] you don't want them to hear.

Like that's that's a weird thing. You

like so they go to school and you know

at the and they say

>> you you watching the

>> be you like damn that was the ending of

the show

>> right? [laughter]

>> So like so so now you just we riding and

listening to Ko you know what I'm saying

with no talk. Oh I I listen to NPR. I

listen to um Urban Urban Network, you

know, for them to listen. Now they got

all these political questions and and

you know when your 5-year-old like so

why aren't we voting like oh it's cuz

you've been listening to Karen Hana

saying the whole the [laughter] whole

time on the way to school or from

school. So it's um it's weird how you

what shows would you sit down and watch

with your kids now? You know, I they had

to watch the the shows that I grew up

watching. You know, you got to go back.

You got to watch Perry Mason and Family

Matters and, you know, the Cosby Show,

you know, Different World. We have to go

back and watch good times, you know. We

can't

>> watch the current things, you know. So,

you know, even with with comedy, I took

I took Hassan to a comedy show with me

to see some friends and he was 14 at the

time

and we left because it was no, it was

nothing.

the things that were being said. It it

kind of made me go back to when um Cosby

did the the story about his son going to

see Eddie Murphy and [snorts] he daddy

said these things and [laughter] said I

was sitting there like the after the

first two minutes I'm like yo we got to

get out of here.

>> How old was he at the time?

>> 14.

>> 14. That's too young.

>> And I'm like yo man. [clears throat]

>> But

>> but I mean the guy who's doing comedy is

doing comedy for adults that are

drinking in a nightclub right? No, we

was at a we was at a a event where it

was all these bodybuilders. The gym um

Next Level had did a um a show for all

the the the people that work out there

and the trainers.

>> And I'm thinking, okay, this is at a

ballroom, you know, it's probably going

to be pretty cool.

>> And I I stopped in, you know, we sat in

the back and then it went left and I was

like, "Hey, man, let's get out of here."

and he's seen me and so he's like, "Nah,

this ain't that this ain't the same."

I'm like, "Yeah, I'm not I'm not going

for a certain type of laugh. I'm not

doing shock value, you know." So, he's

watched almost all the specials, you

know, so it's not the it's not the the

same for for him, you know, and he look

he knows a lot of comics, so it's it's

not this wasn't conducive. I was like,

"Hassan, we out. [laughter]

We out of here." He's like, "But it's

sometimes you can go and you can watch

they they whole show like a Marcus D.

Wally, he can get an understanding of at

least marriage, you know, how how

marriage go to give you some some fuel.

But I think the the landscape of of

comedy is different for different

people. Not knocking the people who do

shock value or or or a lot of sexual

content. That's their that's their stick

and and they probably young and at some

point they'll grow. Hopefully they'll

grow and it'll be more things in life to

talk about. People like, "Well, how do

you have this many specials?"

Um because I have a life, you know, I

had a life before that I talked about

and then I have a life, a current life

that, you know, I'm still experiencing

things. So, I'm going to talk about

things that that's that's a little

different because I'm I'm living and I'm

not stuck in sex is not the the number

one thing. I I remember when I used when

I when I figured that I was sex wasn't

that big when I went to, you know, they

had the thing Netflix and chill

>> and I actually wanted to watch the

movie. [laughter]

>> Like, yo, get your hand off my leg. I

I'm trying to watch this movie. You know

what I'm saying? So, [laughter]

>> that's funny. So, it's a it's a thing

about the development in this game of

how you grow and what you think about.

>> Well, I think comedy is just the one of

the problems with the label is that

there's no genres. It's not like blues

comedy, rock and roll comedy, hip-hop

comedy, EDM comedy. It's just comedy.

You don't know what it is. It's just

different people's perspective on

things. And there's different kinds of

comedy that people like. You know, some

people are giant Richard Prior fans,

some people are Sam Kenisonson fans,

some people are Jerry Seinfeld fans,

>> and some people love Bonnie Rate, and

some people love, you know, whatever,

James Brown, fill in the blank. There's

a lot of different styles of music. And

there's a lot of different styles of

comedy. And all that I care is that you

enjoy what you're doing. And you're

doing it because you enjoy it. And if

you're doing that, I don't give a [ __ ]

I don't give a [ __ ] what you're doing. I

don't care if you have props. I don't

care if you write signs and hold them up

for the crowd. I don't give a [ __ ] what

you're doing. I don't care if you do

impressions. I don't give a [ __ ] what

you're doing.

>> That that was a a huge [clears throat]

So, when talk about the scope of comedy,

you know, I'm I can start with Carol

Bernette and I I watched that, but the

the guy who I watched on HBO a lot, I

knew I wasn't going to do that type of

stand up. It was that was just a whole

different thing. But Gallagher

>> was crazy to me.

>> Crazy.

>> That was the craziest. [snorts]

>> Everybody wore plastic. They have

garbage bags around their neck.

>> Front what? Six rows.

>> Yeah. Just getting splattered with

watermelons and pineapples and coconuts

and whatever the [ __ ] he was cabbage.

[laughter] Ridiculous. Ridiculous. But

he also had some good jokes. Some solid

jokes in between then. Dude did a ton of

specials.

>> Yeah. You know the craziest story, the

Gallagher story is Gallagher retired and

his brother took over. His brother was

Gallagher 2. So he had a brother that

kind of looked like Gallagher.

>> I remember that. I remember Gallagher 2.

>> And then somewhere down the line,

Gallagher decided he wants to start

doing comedy again. And he's like, "Hey,

Gallagher 2, the gig is up." [laughter]

And he's like, "No, no, no, no, no. I'm

making money. I'm Gallagher 2."

>> [laughter]

>> I think there was some sort of a legal

dispute. Find out if that's correct.

There was a legal dispute between them.

Galler's younger brother, Ron, who

shared a strong likeness to Leo, asked

him for permission to perform shows

using Gala's trademark sledgeomatic

routine. Leo granted his permission on

the contingent on the condition that Ron

and his manager clarified in promotional

materials that this was Ron Gallagher,

not Leo Gallagher, who was performing.

Ron typically performed in venues

smaller than those of which Leo

Gallagher performed. After several

years, Ron began promoting his act as

Gallagher 2 or Gallagher TO or TWWO. In

some instances, Ron's act was promoted

in a way that left unclear the fact that

he was not the original Gallagher. Leo

initially responded by requesting only

that his brother not use the

sledgeomatic routine. [laughter] You

can't use the [ __ ] You can't use the

sledgehammer. Rod nonetheless continued

to tour as Galler 2 using the routine.

In August 2000, Leo sued his brother for

a trademark violations and false

advertising. The court ultimately sided

with Leo and granted an injunction

prohibiting Ron from performing any act

that impersonated his brother in small

clubs and venues. This injunction also

prohibited Ron from intentionally

bearing likeness to Leo. What? Imagine

you can't look like your brother.

>> [laughter]

>> Cut your mustache.

>> Yeah, you got to change your mustache.

You got to get rid of the beard. That's

crazy.

>> So, did um did Gallagher continue with

his career after he kicked his brother

out? Did he come back?

>> Probably.

>> Was that part of it?

>> I think it was.

>> Yeah, I think. I don't know.

>> No, but you mean does it say it there?

>> Didn't say it here or not.

>> It doesn't say

>> not specifically in this paragraph. No.

>> Does Did when did Gallagher uh start

performing again? Put that in a search.

see what it says because I think he did

start performing again.

>> Yeah, he says it's uh he was rushed to

the hospital after performance in 2011.

>> Oh,

>> so

>> okay. And what year did he sue his

brother?

>> 2000.

>> Oh, so he did start doing comedy again.

So that's it. Yeah.

>> So he's like, "Hey, motherfucker."

>> Yeah. He had a special in 2007 and 2014.

>> Yeah. You can't be doing that with

Gallagher 2 running around siphoning off

of your crowd. [laughter] You know,

people like, "Honey, you want to spend

50 bucks and see Leo

[laughter] or do you want to spend 20

bucks? See basically the same [ __ ]

>> and see Ron

>> see [laughter] Ron smashing [ __ ]

cabbage."

>> You know, then you had u carrot top.

>> And imagine saying, "Yeah, you could